# Tap Into Your Vulnerability with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson

An episode of [IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1532956108), 15 Oct 2025, 1 h 18 min.

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This week on IMO, Craig and Michelle are joined by basketball legends and fellow podcasters Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson. The two discuss their careers on the court, how they have evolved both personally and professionally since retiring from basketball, and the steps they are taking to embrace the type of healthy masculinity they want for their own sons. Have a question you want answered? Write to us at imopod.com. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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