# Introducing SGC's New Boss and a Rags-to-Riches Hobby Story

An episode of [Sports Cards Nonsense](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1531538073), 24 Jul 2025, 1 h 04 min.

Audio: https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/GLT3892987881.mp3?updated=1753943116

Jesse and Mike are here to discuss the major news of Ryan Hoge stepping into an expanded role as president of PSA grading. They discuss what it means for the company and what new directions he is looking to take things. They are then joined by Brian Walders to talk about his ascent in the breaking business and what it takes to start from nothing and make a name for yourself. Hosts: Mike Gioseffi and Jesse Gibson Guests: Ryan Hoge and Brian Walders Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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