# He Went to Sleep Forever

An episode of [Paper Ghosts: The Texas Teen Murders](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526682330), 3 Dec 2025, 45 min.

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As Phelps seems to be getting somewhere with Shelly and Vincent’s case, another teenager is found murdered and sexually assaulted, changing the dynamic and path of his investigation considerably. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Previously on Paper Ghosts.
[0:04] Speaker 2: Shelley had scratches all over her arms and her rot side.
[0:10] Speaker 2: I didn't see the left side, but both arms were scratched,
[0:14] Speaker 2: her hands were scratched, and her right side was scratched
[0:16] Speaker 2: up on her neck.
[0:19] Speaker 3: You know, we don't have the advantage of going back
[0:21] Speaker 3: in time and making that a more organized operation. We
[0:24] Speaker 3: can't go back in time and fix any of that
[0:28] Speaker 3: or preserve anything that maybe they didn't think or no
[0:31] Speaker 3: to preserve back then. It might be impwards today. So
[0:34] Speaker 3: you really have to have to set out on a
[0:36] Speaker 3: fact of finding mission.
[0:38] Speaker 4: And when I talked to Elwood about it, and he's like, yeah,
[0:41] Speaker 4: we had done a polygraph on and he failed to questions,
[0:45] Speaker 4: and you know, when I wanted to go back and
[0:47] Speaker 4: question some more, it was like no, what attorney in
[0:51] Speaker 4: She's like, you'll ever talk to him again? And we
[0:53] Speaker 4: never did.
[0:55] Speaker 1: My name is em William Phelps. I'm an investigative journalist
[0:58] Speaker 1: in the New York Times, best selling author of dozens
[1:02] Speaker 1: of true crime books. This is season five of Paper
[1:07] Speaker 1: Ghosts The Texas Teen Murders. I all apologies for the mix.
[1:24] Speaker 5: That's okay. I can't get out of that chair.
[1:26] Speaker 1: Apologies.
[1:28] Speaker 5: Did you get something to eat?
[1:29] Speaker 6: No?
[1:30] Speaker 5: Why didn't you stop?
[1:34] Speaker 1: Then there was some faith, there was some construction, and
[1:38] Speaker 1: one simple mix up can create chaos and havoc. My
[1:43] Speaker 1: initial meeting with radio journalists and author Patricia Springer came
[1:49] Speaker 1: close to not happening at all. Within a case as
[1:52] Speaker 1: complex as this, one chance encounters and unforeseen connections can
[1:58] Speaker 1: make all the difference In the world of investigative journalism.
[2:03] Speaker 1: You can plan all you want, trying to make certain
[2:06] Speaker 1: everything is in place, and yet a slight oversight can
[2:10] Speaker 1: throw everything off course. Cold case work can at times
[2:15] Speaker 1: feel like you're diving down a bottomless rabbit hole, and
[2:19] Speaker 1: yet you have to keep in mind always that breakthroughs
[2:23] Speaker 1: can sometimes be behind just one open door. On July eighth,
[2:30] Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, four years after Shelley and Vincent's murders,
[2:34] Speaker 1: nineteen year old Wendy Robinson, a classmate of Vincent and Shelley,
[2:39] Speaker 1: parked her vehicle at the Wall, a popular hangout at
[2:43] Speaker 1: Lake Weatherford for sunbathing, swimming and partying. Wendy's plan, as
[2:48] Speaker 1: far as anyone knew, was to hang out, get some
[2:51] Speaker 1: sun and meet up with a few friends. But Wendy
[2:56] Speaker 1: never made it home, and her father, knowing his daughter
[2:59] Speaker 1: would not just take off without telling someone, was worried sick,
[3:04] Speaker 1: and so he reported her missing that same night. A
[3:08] Speaker 1: nineteen year old not coming home might not seem like
[3:11] Speaker 1: a situation to panic over, if we're being objective, But
[3:15] Speaker 1: in Wendy's case, there was reason to be concerned right away.
[3:21] Speaker 1: And Patricia Springer knows this case inside and out. I
[3:25] Speaker 1: don't think there is anyone outside of law enforcement more
[3:29] Speaker 1: knowledgeable about it. She is spent close to the past
[3:33] Speaker 1: four decades researching every nuance of it. And so how
[3:42] Speaker 1: long is she missing?
[3:43] Speaker 5: She was missing for several days.
[3:48] Speaker 1: In murder investigations with multiple victims, you look for connections
[3:52] Speaker 1: and parallels. Wendy Robinson drove the almost identical vehicle, a
[3:59] Speaker 1: Monte Carlo, that Vincent and Shelley were driving on the
[4:02] Speaker 1: night of their murders. The Weatherford Police Department found Wendy's
[4:07] Speaker 1: car abandoned by the lake Weatherford Wall the next morning.
[4:12] Speaker 1: At first, nothing seemed to be a miss, with the
[4:17] Speaker 1: exception that it appeared Wendy parked, grabbed her things for
[4:20] Speaker 1: a day at the lake, and never returned to her vehicle.
[4:25] Speaker 1: The problem was during a search by friend's family and
[4:29] Speaker 1: police on the night she went missing, Wendy's car was
[4:33] Speaker 1: not in the parking lot. So again, here's a similarity
[4:39] Speaker 1: we see in Vincent and Shelley's case. You have a
[4:42] Speaker 1: murder victim's car found in a place where scores of
[4:46] Speaker 1: people reported it had not been previously, as if her
[4:51] Speaker 1: killer had moved it. So she's nineteen, so she is
[4:55] Speaker 1: an adult at the time, right, but she's not known
[4:58] Speaker 1: to like go somewhere and not home.
[5:00] Speaker 5: Now, this was very unusual.
[5:02] Speaker 7: Her father, Jim, was ill, and he had a condition
[5:07] Speaker 7: where he had to eat on a regular schedule and
[5:09] Speaker 7: so forth, and Wendy always fixed his lunch for him
[5:13] Speaker 7: each day, and she never came home.
[5:16] Speaker 1: And that's when they probably knew.
[5:17] Speaker 7: They knew something was wrong then, but really not until
[5:21] Speaker 7: she just did never came home that night.
[5:23] Speaker 1: I hear this all the time from families of the missing,
[5:27] Speaker 1: the ringing of an alarm deep in their intuition, someone
[5:32] Speaker 1: is not where they're supposed to be at a certain time.
[5:36] Speaker 1: Hours pass and every cell in your body, as a
[5:40] Speaker 1: family member is screaming that the worst has happened, or
[5:45] Speaker 1: something very close to it, and unfortunately for Wendy's family,
[5:51] Speaker 1: they were right. Wendy disappeared on July eighth, nineteen eighty seven,
[5:56] Speaker 1: and was found three days later on July eleventh. And
[6:01] Speaker 1: so where is she found.
[6:04] Speaker 7: She's found in front of a cattle guard on a
[6:06] Speaker 7: ranch out in the country around Witherford in Parker County.
[6:11] Speaker 1: And how is she found? Who finds her?
[6:14] Speaker 7: There's a man that worked on that ranch that found
[6:17] Speaker 7: her body laying there. He had gone to enter the
[6:21] Speaker 7: ranch and that's when he discovered her.
[6:24] Speaker 5: It was in the middle of nowhere. There were no
[6:25] Speaker 5: houses around or anything.
[6:27] Speaker 1: The ranch where Wendy was found sits on a stock
[6:30] Speaker 1: of flatland, or as they say in Texas, level land,
[6:35] Speaker 1: dense brush and shrubbery with trees as far as the
[6:38] Speaker 1: eye can see. It's a very remote area, farm and
[6:44] Speaker 1: ranch country. The road itself is two lanes, extremely narrow,
[6:48] Speaker 1: with no street lights. At night, the only source of
[6:52] Speaker 1: light would be from the moon. How is her body discovered?
[6:58] Speaker 1: What's the crime scene look like?
[7:00] Speaker 5: Well, her body was very decomposed by then.
[7:02] Speaker 7: This is July in Texas, which means it's close to
[7:05] Speaker 7: one hundred degrees if not one hundred degrees, so he
[7:09] Speaker 7: wasn't really sure what he was looking at it first,
[7:12] Speaker 7: and then he finally determined that this was a body
[7:15] Speaker 7: of a young woman. She still had on her bathing
[7:18] Speaker 7: suit and shorts, a pair of shorts over her bikini,
[7:22] Speaker 7: and she had ligatures on her wrists and her legs, so.
[7:27] Speaker 1: She was bound, and so they couldn't determine if she
[7:30] Speaker 1: was sexually assaulted or not.
[7:32] Speaker 7: No, the body was too badly decomposed for any kind
[7:36] Speaker 7: of DNA testing or any determination.
[7:38] Speaker 5: Whether she had been sexually assaulted.
[7:45] Speaker 1: This is an important factor within my investigation because if
[7:49] Speaker 1: Wendy was violated sexually, that detail could begin to move
[7:54] Speaker 1: her case away from Vincent and Shelley's murders, but could
[7:58] Speaker 1: also perhaps bring the two cases closer together if what
[8:03] Speaker 1: has been alleged that Shelley was raped turned out to
[8:06] Speaker 1: be true. But it's pretty obvious that she was abducted. Today,
[8:10] Speaker 1: she's at the lake and she's murdered right away, because
[8:12] Speaker 1: she still got her bathing suitan right, and she did
[8:15] Speaker 1: have her clothes on.
[8:17] Speaker 5: She did have her clothes on.
[8:18] Speaker 1: So what's it like when her body is discovered? Work
[8:22] Speaker 1: gets out, what happens Oh.
[8:24] Speaker 7: It was like shock waves going through the community. No
[8:27] Speaker 7: one could believe it. This had just never happened where
[8:30] Speaker 7: a young girl had been inducted and then they find
[8:32] Speaker 7: her body. It was scary for parents and scary for
[8:36] Speaker 7: young women.
[8:42] Speaker 1: Wendy's parents refused to accept anything less than answers. They
[8:47] Speaker 1: had sat and watched what happened in Vincent and Shelley's
[8:51] Speaker 1: case and how after four years, not only had those
[8:55] Speaker 1: families been frustrated and left blind, but local law enforcement
[9:00] Speaker 1: it didn't seem to be doing much of anything to
[9:02] Speaker 1: solve the case or keep it active. So they became relentless,
[9:08] Speaker 1: especially Wendy's father Jim, keeping the pressure on the Weatherford
[9:14] Speaker 1: Police Department and the Parker County Sheriff's office as well.
[9:20] Speaker 7: They constantly are calling the police department to find out,
[9:23] Speaker 7: what are you doing, where's the case going? Who could
[9:27] Speaker 7: have done this? They've had a lot of questions that
[9:30] Speaker 7: needed to be answered, they were getting none.
[9:38] Speaker 1: At a cursory glance, Wendy's case has few of the
[9:43] Speaker 1: same earmarks as Vincent and Shelley's murders, other than they
[9:47] Speaker 1: were classmates, are in the same general age range at
[9:51] Speaker 1: the time of their murders, and the locations are close.
[9:56] Speaker 1: And yet here are two cases right in whether and
[10:00] Speaker 1: it would be negligent for law enforcement not to consider
[10:04] Speaker 1: them possibly being connected, not to mention all the other
[10:09] Speaker 1: suspicious suicides and accidental deaths involving teens we will talk
[10:14] Speaker 1: about later, which brings up a new set of questions
[10:18] Speaker 1: for me. Have they been looking at Vincent and Shelley's
[10:21] Speaker 1: case from the wrong angle all this time? Or had
[10:25] Speaker 1: Wendy also come upon some sort of drug activity and
[10:29] Speaker 1: been silenced wrong place, wrong time. Either way, you have
[10:36] Speaker 1: three teen murders in the same town and not one
[10:40] Speaker 1: solid lead beyond the rumor mill turning out the same
[10:44] Speaker 1: grist of cops, involved people connected to cops, a jealous rival,
[10:49] Speaker 1: meth dealers, and a local businessman in prison for human trafficking,
[10:54] Speaker 1: and yet none of it is either heading toward justice
[10:57] Speaker 1: or any viable suspect. Then, shockingly, in Wendy's case, within
[11:03] Speaker 1: the first year it was announced the Weatherford Police Department
[11:08] Speaker 1: suddenly had eight to ten suspects. So what are some
[11:14] Speaker 1: of the first theories?
[11:16] Speaker 7: Well, really investigating a lot of her friends. Some of
[11:20] Speaker 7: her girlfriends were naming people boys that she had dated
[11:23] Speaker 7: and so forth that they thought possibly could have done this.
[11:26] Speaker 7: The police department also she got all of the list
[11:30] Speaker 7: of the classes that she was attending at Weatherford College
[11:33] Speaker 7: and all the classmates so that they could talk to
[11:36] Speaker 7: each of them to see if they knew anything or
[11:39] Speaker 7: if they were acting suspiciously.
[11:41] Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty seven, I mean, that's a pretty active time
[11:44] Speaker 1: in Texas, Florida, the South for serial killers, right, is
[11:48] Speaker 1: that being talked about it all?
[11:51] Speaker 5: Yes, it is.
[11:52] Speaker 7: In fact, Ricky Lee Green, a serial killer, was in
[11:56] Speaker 7: the North Texas area.
[11:58] Speaker 5: At the time.
[12:01] Speaker 1: Patricia published Blood Russian nineteen ninety four, a book about
[12:06] Speaker 1: Ricky Lee Green, who was ultimately charged for killing four
[12:10] Speaker 1: people in Texas between nineteen eighty five and nineteen eighty six.
[12:16] Speaker 1: Green was out lurking around Parker County during the time
[12:20] Speaker 1: that Wendy, Vincent and Shelley were murdered. Not long after
[12:23] Speaker 1: Wendy's body was found merely by happenstance, Green was arrested
[12:29] Speaker 1: for four murders he would eventually be convicted of and
[12:33] Speaker 1: sentenced to death for so investigators immediately began to look
[12:38] Speaker 1: at Green for additional murders, including the three we're looking
[12:43] Speaker 1: at here. Then Green steps forward and admits to murdering Wendy,
[12:49] Speaker 1: and investigators are all in. They figure, we got our man.
[12:58] Speaker 7: He's in the tear tunny jail and his father, who
[13:02] Speaker 7: was a drug dealer, was arrested, and so Ricky thought
[13:06] Speaker 7: that he could get his dad a better deal if
[13:09] Speaker 7: he would confess to Wendy's murder. He thought, they've got
[13:13] Speaker 7: me on four, you know, why not? What's one more?
[13:16] Speaker 7: As a side note, they think that Ricky Green did
[13:19] Speaker 7: commit several other murders in the area other than the
[13:22] Speaker 7: four that he was convicted of.
[13:25] Speaker 1: So he basically comes forward and says, listen, I'll give
[13:27] Speaker 1: you the girl, give my dad.
[13:29] Speaker 5: A break exactly.
[13:31] Speaker 1: And they bought it.
[13:32] Speaker 5: In fact, they bought it for a long time.
[13:35] Speaker 7: They just kind of laid back at some point and
[13:39] Speaker 7: thought because he was known to frequent the Lake Worth
[13:43] Speaker 7: area and that's where some of her belongings had been found,
[13:46] Speaker 7: they were convinced it was Ricky Green.
[13:50] Speaker 1: Did he give him any details that weren't public.
[13:53] Speaker 7: Not really, because he had abducted at least two others
[13:59] Speaker 7: from it all fit the pattern and so and two
[14:03] Speaker 7: of his victims were young women. Now two of his
[14:06] Speaker 7: victims were also man. It's kind of unusual, but he
[14:09] Speaker 7: was a sexually sadistic killer. He's bisexual, so he had
[14:14] Speaker 7: both men and women victims.
[14:19] Speaker 1: Green was a brutal, vicious psychopath of the worst type.
[14:25] Speaker 1: He often decapitated his victims and always mutilated them in
[14:30] Speaker 1: some way. He used knives and hammers. He had even
[14:35] Speaker 1: castrated one man and caught the breasts off one woman.
[14:41] Speaker 1: He bound his victims, and, regardless of gender, sexually assaulted them.
[14:46] Speaker 1: What stood out to me was the fact that Green
[14:48] Speaker 1: chose male and female victims like Shelley and Vincent. As
[14:53] Speaker 1: I said, he bound his victims like Wendy and sexually
[14:58] Speaker 1: assaulted them, possibly like Shelley and Wendy. On the other hand,
[15:06] Speaker 1: Green had never used a gun. Still, as Patricia explained, Green,
[15:12] Speaker 1: whom she interviewed at length, had to be taken seriously
[15:16] Speaker 1: in the three cases, for those reasons I mentioned and
[15:20] Speaker 1: others more significant. Yet, just as law enforcement became comfortable
[15:26] Speaker 1: accepting Green's admission in Wendy's case, while looking at him
[15:30] Speaker 1: for additional murders in the region, Green came forward with
[15:35] Speaker 1: a new revelation about Wendy Robinson.
[15:41] Speaker 7: Shortly after he confessed Ricky Lee Green, I recanted his
[15:45] Speaker 7: statement and said that he didn't kill her.
[15:58] Speaker 8: Let me first welcome mister Young Lee and his family's attorney,
[16:01] Speaker 8: mister David Sanford, and thank you for joining us here today.
[16:06] Speaker 8: After a thrare review of the motion of vakate judgment
[16:10] Speaker 8: followed by the previous administration, my office has determined that
[16:13] Speaker 8: it contains false and misleading statements that undermine the integrity
[16:17] Speaker 8: of the judicial process, which compels myself from my office
[16:21] Speaker 8: to withdraw that motion.
[16:23] Speaker 1: As prosecutors aregure, I could cite over one hundred reports,
[16:27] Speaker 1: possibly more, where false and misleading statements have led to exonerations.
[16:33] Speaker 1: Same as the clip you just heard, it is part
[16:37] Speaker 1: of due legal process. Most of the cases involve a
[16:42] Speaker 1: DNA match to another perpetrator, resulting in an innocent person
[16:47] Speaker 1: being set free and rightly so. Yet the Innocence Project,
[16:52] Speaker 1: arguably the leader in advocating for innocent people serving prison time,
[16:57] Speaker 1: notes that approximately thirty percent of dmxonerations have included false confessions.
[17:04] Speaker 1: That is, innocent people confessed to crimes they did not
[17:08] Speaker 1: commit three out of ten times for myriad reasons. When
[17:14] Speaker 1: Ricky Lee Green confessed to Wendy's murder. It all seemed
[17:18] Speaker 1: to fit, which was one reason why when he later
[17:21] Speaker 1: recants that confession, investigators and prosecutors raise an eyebrow and
[17:26] Speaker 1: become skeptical. And so when he recants what.
[17:32] Speaker 7: Happens, they didn't believe Ricky Green. They were convinced that
[17:35] Speaker 7: Ricky Green had done this. They did try to get
[17:40] Speaker 7: court documents and documents from his attorney and from psychiatrists
[17:45] Speaker 7: that had seen him and so forth, trying to see
[17:49] Speaker 7: if he had said anything in those interviews, but of
[17:52] Speaker 7: course that was client privilege and they didn't get that information.
[17:57] Speaker 1: When did detectives think, hmm, maybe he didn't do it, well.
[18:01] Speaker 5: That was a long time.
[18:02] Speaker 7: Some of them always believed it and never discounted that
[18:06] Speaker 7: Ricky Green had done it. That's who they had focused on,
[18:10] Speaker 7: and they believed that's who it was. And not until
[18:13] Speaker 7: Jim Robinson really started pushing and he pushed to get
[18:17] Speaker 7: the Texas Rangers involved. He pushed to get other agencies
[18:21] Speaker 7: involved in the case because he felt like Ricky Green
[18:25] Speaker 7: had not done it.
[18:27] Speaker 5: And I had been interviewing Green.
[18:29] Speaker 7: For my first book, and when Jim and I spoke,
[18:33] Speaker 7: I told him that Ricky denied it, and I believed
[18:36] Speaker 7: that he didn't do it.
[18:37] Speaker 1: So tell me you know him well, So tell me
[18:39] Speaker 1: about Ricky Green. Tell me you know you sat with him,
[18:42] Speaker 1: you interviewed him, So tell me about him. What kind
[18:45] Speaker 1: of killer is he?
[18:47] Speaker 5: Well?
[18:47] Speaker 7: His a sociopath. He has a low educational level. He
[18:52] Speaker 7: had several addictions to drugs and alcohol. He was your
[18:57] Speaker 7: typical serial killer in that he was a fire starter,
[19:00] Speaker 7: he was a bed wetter, all those typical things, and
[19:04] Speaker 7: he just he roamed. He would get drunk and then
[19:07] Speaker 7: he would drive and roam around and look for victims.
[19:11] Speaker 7: And that's another reason why they thought it was Green,
[19:13] Speaker 7: because they thought he just was driving around and happened
[19:17] Speaker 7: on windy sunbathing.
[19:19] Speaker 5: In the lake.
[19:21] Speaker 1: Patricia started visiting Green in prison, taking his phone calls
[19:25] Speaker 1: and exchanging letters with him. The thing is, serial killers
[19:30] Speaker 1: lie pathologically with a smile on their face, very convincingly.
[19:36] Speaker 1: They like to play games cat and mouse. Sometimes they
[19:40] Speaker 1: take credit for crimes they didn't commit, just to up
[19:44] Speaker 1: their body count. Sometimes they won't confess to a murder
[19:48] Speaker 1: they committed because they want to save a bargaining chip,
[19:51] Speaker 1: or just out of pure spite, or even to enjoy
[19:56] Speaker 1: the notion that only they and nobody else know.
[20:00] Speaker 3: Yes.
[20:01] Speaker 1: Understanding that dynamic, Patricia became determined to find out if
[20:06] Speaker 1: Green not only murdered Wendy, but Shelley and Vincent and
[20:09] Speaker 1: perhaps others in and around Parker County. Also on the
[20:14] Speaker 1: table was the infamous fort Worth three case, two teenage
[20:18] Speaker 1: girls and a nine year old girl who went out
[20:21] Speaker 1: to a local mall one day in fort Worth, just
[20:24] Speaker 1: thirty minutes from Weatherford and disappeared. Could Ricky Lee Green,
[20:29] Speaker 1: a despicable, violent serial killer who had no victim preference
[20:34] Speaker 1: to speak of, be behind all of these murders. During
[20:39] Speaker 1: one particular visit, Patricia confronted Green, and quite frankly, she
[20:45] Speaker 1: went straight at him, did you kill Wendy?
[20:53] Speaker 7: I told him that I wanted to know about Wendy Robinson,
[20:56] Speaker 7: and he just smiled and said, I didn't kill her.
[20:58] Speaker 5: I didn't believe that. I mean, I wasn't.
[21:00] Speaker 7: There to prove or disprove that he did it. I
[21:04] Speaker 7: just wanted to know from him what he was thinking
[21:07] Speaker 7: and what had done. But the more I talked with him,
[21:11] Speaker 7: every time I ask him, and I interviewed him for
[21:13] Speaker 7: three years, every time I asked him. He denied it,
[21:16] Speaker 7: and right before he went to the Walls unit to
[21:19] Speaker 7: be executed, I asked him for one last time, will
[21:22] Speaker 7: you please tell me if you kill Wendy, Robin said,
[21:26] Speaker 7: and he said no, I did not.
[21:33] Speaker 1: Green had one request for Patricia. Would she sit in
[21:36] Speaker 1: the audience and witnessed his execution. Patricia was hoping for
[21:41] Speaker 1: a last minute deathbed confession about either Wendy, Shelley and Vincent,
[21:46] Speaker 1: the fort Worth three, or perhaps any other cases a
[21:50] Speaker 1: confession could close. She thought maybe this was Green's reason
[21:55] Speaker 1: for requesting her presence at his execution. What was that
[21:59] Speaker 1: like watching serial killer die?
[22:02] Speaker 7: Well, it's it really is like they just go to sleep.
[22:06] Speaker 7: The chaplain at the prison had explained to me what
[22:10] Speaker 7: I would be seeing and what I would hear, Like
[22:13] Speaker 7: there's one last it seems like a gasp of air.
[22:16] Speaker 7: That actually it's one last expulsion of air, and so
[22:21] Speaker 7: I was prepared for that, and then he just went
[22:25] Speaker 7: to sleep forever.
[22:26] Speaker 5: He did make a statement.
[22:29] Speaker 1: The statement Green made on October eighth, nineteen ninety seven,
[22:33] Speaker 1: just before he was executed by lethal injection, was not
[22:37] Speaker 1: a last minute confession. Patricia asked him one final time
[22:42] Speaker 1: about Wendy and the others. Green denied killing Wendy right
[22:47] Speaker 1: up until the moment he died, and instead spoke of God. Quote,
[22:54] Speaker 1: I want to thank the Lord for giving me this
[22:56] Speaker 1: opportunity to get to know him. He has shown me
[22:59] Speaker 1: a lot, and he has changed me in the past
[23:02] Speaker 1: two months. I thank the Lord for all he has
[23:06] Speaker 1: done for me. I do want to tell the family
[23:08] Speaker 1: that I am sorry, but killing me is not going
[23:11] Speaker 1: to solve nothing. I really do not believe that if
[23:15] Speaker 1: Jesus were here tonight that he would execute me. Thank you, Lord.
[23:19] Speaker 1: I am finished misquoting Christ's words while on the cross.
[23:25] Speaker 1: The actual quote being it is finished was a blasphemous
[23:30] Speaker 1: attempt by a stupid, violent man to redeem himself for
[23:36] Speaker 1: a lifetime of torturing and murdering people. And how did
[23:41] Speaker 1: you feel walking out of there?
[23:43] Speaker 7: Personally, I've felt like justice had been done, that had
[23:48] Speaker 7: he not been caught, that he would continue with his killing.
[23:55] Speaker 5: He liked it, he enjoyed it.
[23:59] Speaker 1: As it turned out, Ricky Lee Green had confessed to
[24:02] Speaker 1: Wendy's murder as he claimed to get his father a
[24:06] Speaker 1: better deal on drug charges the old man was facing.
[24:11] Speaker 1: Green did not in fact murder Wendy or Shelley and Vincent. Still,
[24:17] Speaker 1: Green's execution was far from the end of Wendy Robinson's
[24:21] Speaker 1: case and the possibility of her murder being connected back
[24:26] Speaker 1: to Shelley and Vincent's along with another infamous serial killer.
[24:48] Speaker 4: So I know Wendy iss she had just I guess
[24:50] Speaker 4: finished finals at Weatherford College and she was going to
[24:53] Speaker 4: want to meet some friends over at weather For Lake.
[24:56] Speaker 4: There's a little area where people can kind of sunbathe
[24:59] Speaker 4: and stuff in the glocal a call at the wall,
[25:01] Speaker 4: so you can go hang out sunbay and enjoy some time.
[25:05] Speaker 4: But there's a road that kind of drives that goes
[25:07] Speaker 4: past the lake, so you can look up and you know,
[25:10] Speaker 4: your friends can wave at you, and they can see
[25:12] Speaker 4: down below and be like, hey, what's up, how are you?
[25:14] Speaker 4: So there were some friends that we know that'd seen
[25:16] Speaker 4: her down there sunbathing, and apparently the friends that she's
[25:20] Speaker 4: going to meet weren't able to make it. But she's
[25:23] Speaker 4: only gonna be down there for about two hours because
[25:25] Speaker 4: she knew she had to have the car back home
[25:26] Speaker 4: because her dad and brother needed it.
[25:30] Speaker 1: Private investigator Mel Mitchell, whom you've heard throughout the podcast
[25:35] Speaker 1: has done a tremendous amount of work into Wendy's case,
[25:38] Speaker 1: looking to find any connection whatsoever back to Vincent and
[25:42] Speaker 1: Shelley's murders, the thought being solved one possibly solve the others.
[25:49] Speaker 4: So she was out there, I guess from two to
[25:51] Speaker 4: whenever she was abducted. Same thing. Like, she's a good kid,
[25:54] Speaker 4: she's always dependable, knows something's wrong if she's not home
[25:57] Speaker 4: with the time she's supposed to be home by, And
[25:59] Speaker 4: so they go out there look looking for her, and
[26:00] Speaker 4: her car's gone. There's no trace of her anywhere, and
[26:04] Speaker 4: they end up obviously going to the police, and they
[26:06] Speaker 4: end up having a search party the following day, Like
[26:09] Speaker 4: they look in the lake. I mean, they've got search
[26:12] Speaker 4: parties all around the lake. I want to say, if
[26:14] Speaker 4: I ride collectly, there was probably like up to fifty
[26:16] Speaker 4: people looking for her and they cannot find her anywhere.
[26:20] Speaker 4: And then later on sometime that night, her vehicle shows
[26:24] Speaker 4: back up parked in the probably close the same place
[26:27] Speaker 4: that went missing, like where she would have parked originally.
[26:30] Speaker 4: And then a couple of days after that, her body
[26:33] Speaker 4: is found in front of a local ranchers gate by
[26:36] Speaker 4: some ranch hands and it appeared that she had been
[26:40] Speaker 4: sexually assaulted. She had been bound by the hands and feet,
[26:44] Speaker 4: she had like her bathing suit top on and some
[26:47] Speaker 4: shorts on, and then she had been bludgeoned in the head.
[26:50] Speaker 4: And they believe it may have been a rock, not
[26:53] Speaker 4: one hundred percent sure, because by that time period, I
[26:55] Speaker 4: guess it looked like she'd been dead a couple of days,
[26:57] Speaker 4: and so they weren't able to really confirm like what
[27:00] Speaker 4: kind of you know, a murder weapon was used, but
[27:02] Speaker 4: they're assuming as possibly a rock.
[27:09] Speaker 1: Mel adds such an important detail there, Wendy's car wasn't
[27:13] Speaker 1: actually in the parking lot when they first searched for
[27:17] Speaker 1: her at the lake. It shows up after the search
[27:21] Speaker 1: is completed, as if Wendy's killer is watching and waiting,
[27:27] Speaker 1: which means what he could be local comfortable with the
[27:32] Speaker 1: area that mo also matches with the car Vincent was
[27:38] Speaker 1: driving being at the murder scene and then not at
[27:41] Speaker 1: the scene and as everyone had suspected, Wendy was sexually assaulted.
[27:51] Speaker 1: Do you see any connections between her murder and Vincent
[27:57] Speaker 1: and Shelley, Well.
[27:59] Speaker 4: I mean themates. I know that her seat was pushed
[28:02] Speaker 4: all the way back in her car, and it sounded
[28:05] Speaker 4: as though there were isn't a lot of evidence in
[28:09] Speaker 4: her vehicle either. By one report I've read, there's been
[28:13] Speaker 4: statements made that no one saw her leave, but then
[28:16] Speaker 4: there's other statements saying they saw her get into a
[28:19] Speaker 4: vehicle with three men, which if that's the case, well
[28:22] Speaker 4: then who drove her car if she got into a
[28:24] Speaker 4: vehicle with three men? And I never really kind of
[28:27] Speaker 4: understood that part. I'm like, well, if you see her
[28:29] Speaker 4: going with the vehicle three men in a truck, well
[28:32] Speaker 4: then who who drove off in her vehicle? Because that
[28:34] Speaker 4: obviously left with her. So I don't know, but I
[28:37] Speaker 4: do know that, like within our case, you know, the
[28:39] Speaker 4: vehicle was seen several times during the night and they
[28:41] Speaker 4: disappear even though people were actively looking for because it
[28:44] Speaker 4: wasn't just Vincent Senior looking for them, it was also
[28:46] Speaker 4: the babysitter. You know, her family's out looking for them
[28:49] Speaker 4: because they're worried because they weren't back in time either.
[28:51] Speaker 4: So you've got other parties out there looking for these
[28:55] Speaker 4: kids and they can't find them. So we know that
[28:57] Speaker 4: their vehicles kind of hit or miss all night as well.
[29:00] Speaker 4: So that was kind of an interesting side note.
[29:04] Speaker 1: Small details seemingly insignificant can crack a case. The fact
[29:09] Speaker 1: that the driver's seat in the car Vincent had borrowed
[29:12] Speaker 1: that night the Monte Carlo was pushed all the way
[29:15] Speaker 1: back is indicative of someone taller than Vincent being behind
[29:20] Speaker 1: the wheel the last time it was driven, same as
[29:23] Speaker 1: it was in Wendy's case. In the Monte Carlo she
[29:27] Speaker 1: was driving. But even more important, Mel says three men
[29:32] Speaker 1: were seen driving away with Wendy. And if you recall,
[29:38] Speaker 1: we have heard several accounts of two or even three
[29:41] Speaker 1: men seen near Vincent's vehicle on that night up at
[29:45] Speaker 1: Piss Hill. Then, after seeing crime scene photos of Wendy's car,
[29:51] Speaker 1: Mel makes what could be a remarkable discovery.
[30:00] Speaker 4: After Wendy was murdered a couple of months after that,
[30:03] Speaker 4: there was a fisherman out of a lake in Fort
[30:06] Speaker 4: Worth that had been fishing that morning and he ended
[30:08] Speaker 4: up I guess catching like a wallet and he opens
[30:11] Speaker 4: up the wallet and it says Wendy Robinson. And so
[30:14] Speaker 4: he starts calling people in Weatherford, you know, gets a
[30:17] Speaker 4: phone book out back in the day, and I guess
[30:20] Speaker 4: one of the people he had called Robinson. The guy's like, oh, yeah,
[30:25] Speaker 4: this isn't the right Robinson, but you need to call
[30:27] Speaker 4: the police department because that person you're talking about was murdered,
[30:31] Speaker 4: you know, a couple of months ago. So he calls
[30:33] Speaker 4: Weather for repde. They come out there, they start drudging
[30:35] Speaker 4: the lake and that's when they find a box in
[30:38] Speaker 4: the lake and it's got Wendy's person it.
[30:41] Speaker 1: There was also a wallet in the box, which belonged
[30:44] Speaker 1: to a guy who had been attacked and robbed at
[30:46] Speaker 1: a local gas station called Petro on the same day
[30:50] Speaker 1: as Wendy's abduction.
[30:53] Speaker 4: He was mugged from behind by two men and they
[30:56] Speaker 4: stole his wallet, knocked him out, and so that's where
[31:01] Speaker 4: they kind of believe that those two obviously were probably connected.
[31:04] Speaker 1: In those crime scene photos from inside of Wendy's car,
[31:08] Speaker 1: Mel spies one specific detail that intrigues her.
[31:14] Speaker 4: There was a photo It showed you know, the usual
[31:16] Speaker 4: things like lipstick, comb or whatever, but in the right
[31:19] Speaker 4: hand corner it looked like a ball of foil, kind
[31:22] Speaker 4: of like what you get off of like maybe ding
[31:25] Speaker 4: dongs or you know, it's like a little piece of foil.
[31:27] Speaker 4: But then I looked at some more and it maybe
[31:29] Speaker 4: wonder is there a possibility? And I'm not saying she was.
[31:33] Speaker 4: It's just a theory of mine that she was using
[31:36] Speaker 4: meth and fetamines because we know, according to the families
[31:40] Speaker 4: and other friends, that she had dropped quite a bit
[31:42] Speaker 4: of weight prior to the summer pretty quick. And we
[31:45] Speaker 4: know that there's a lot of people out there there
[31:47] Speaker 4: marketing metham fatamines, this quick weight loss drug. So do
[31:51] Speaker 4: I know if that's what it is? No, but it
[31:53] Speaker 4: just kind of was an interesting thing to find in
[31:56] Speaker 4: our purse, that this little ball of foil.
[32:00] Speaker 1: If you're looking at it objectively, you have to consider
[32:03] Speaker 1: the fact that she could have been used in dope.
[32:06] Speaker 4: Well, we know a lot of high schoolers. That's when
[32:07] Speaker 4: you're going to experiment with a lot of stuff. Two,
[32:09] Speaker 4: there's plenty of high schoolers it that's their an experiment
[32:13] Speaker 4: with narcotics. It's probably usually going to be in your
[32:15] Speaker 4: high school time period.
[32:17] Speaker 1: Several sources I spoke to from the class of nineteen
[32:20] Speaker 1: eighty three talked about speed as the go to drug
[32:24] Speaker 1: for kids at the time, speed being another name for
[32:27] Speaker 1: meth in those parts. Mel is not saying Wendy Robinson
[32:33] Speaker 1: was a drug user. I want to be clear about that,
[32:36] Speaker 1: but murder investigation involves a tight rope of looking at
[32:41] Speaker 1: all possibilities, and with meth being such a buzzword around
[32:46] Speaker 1: strange deaths, many of the suspects the rumors and murders,
[32:50] Speaker 1: you have to consider that maybe somebody Wendy knew, Wendy
[32:54] Speaker 1: herself or her killer used the drug. What I have
[33:00] Speaker 1: been told repeatedly while talking to detectives trying to connect
[33:04] Speaker 1: murder cases is to be cautious of the obvious. Always
[33:08] Speaker 1: allow the evidence to dictate your next step. Here's current
[33:14] Speaker 1: cold case investigator Weatherford Police Department Lieutenant Johnny Qualls referring
[33:20] Speaker 1: to the contemporary investigation into Vincent and Shelley's murders after
[33:25] Speaker 1: I mentioned to him how with cold case work, it's
[33:28] Speaker 1: vital that information keeps coming in or your case can
[33:33] Speaker 1: kind of become stalled.
[33:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're spot on. We opened up at some point,
[33:39] Speaker 3: you know, a hot line, I say a hot line.
[33:41] Speaker 3: It was just a direct. It was my extension. You know,
[33:43] Speaker 3: people were calling me left and right.
[33:46] Speaker 1: A lot a lot of.
[33:47] Speaker 3: It was the stuff I had already heard before. But
[33:49] Speaker 3: people wanted to, you know, they wanted to do their part.
[33:51] Speaker 3: They they didn't want to loose sleep at night by
[33:53] Speaker 3: not passing them on or that assumed that we knew anything,
[33:58] Speaker 3: But we did, you know, we did you know there
[34:00] Speaker 3: were a few things like, oh, that's interesting, so we
[34:02] Speaker 3: would I mean, we we traveled as far as New
[34:04] Speaker 3: Mexico to go talk to a lady because we really
[34:07] Speaker 3: thought we were onto something. And then by the time
[34:10] Speaker 3: so we get out there, we talked to her and
[34:12] Speaker 3: it's like, oh, okay, yeah, this is not going to
[34:14] Speaker 3: be related. So we we You know, that's the kind
[34:18] Speaker 3: of you You catch yourself going and you have to
[34:21] Speaker 3: you have to go down those rabbit holes. But that's
[34:24] Speaker 3: the frustrating, discouraging part. And you're in this situation where
[34:28] Speaker 3: you know, people have questions and people are are like,
[34:32] Speaker 3: who doesn't care about something like that? Two kids getting
[34:35] Speaker 3: execute executed in a car Like every everyone has compassion
[34:39] Speaker 3: and cares about that and wants that fault. And you
[34:41] Speaker 3: want to tell them all the things that you know,
[34:43] Speaker 3: and you want to tell all the things that you've
[34:45] Speaker 3: done to but you can't. It's an active investigation. You
[34:49] Speaker 3: can't share all that information. So it's frustrating.
[34:52] Speaker 1: And then the families of the victims as well, who
[34:55] Speaker 1: are frustrated and still hurting, and it's just it's endless.
[35:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have you have misinformation that as a
[35:02] Speaker 3: result of that. You know, I think people when when
[35:05] Speaker 3: they don't get the answer, when when they're seeking out answers,
[35:08] Speaker 3: we can't give them, you know, either either we don't
[35:10] Speaker 3: know or we're just simply not you know, in an
[35:13] Speaker 3: effort not to jeopardize an investigation, we can't give them
[35:16] Speaker 3: those answers. It frustrates them and I think that results
[35:19] Speaker 3: in some of the not necessarily by them, but some
[35:22] Speaker 3: of the speculation and misinformation being spread, and.
[35:25] Speaker 1: People fill in the blanks, you know, they have a
[35:29] Speaker 1: tendency to just fill in the blanks and it just
[35:33] Speaker 1: causes more confusion. Yeah.
[35:36] Speaker 3: Any any So, in that in that particular case, so
[35:40] Speaker 3: the girl's biological mom was still alive and we were
[35:45] Speaker 3: we were able to actually go and I think she
[35:47] Speaker 3: got it. I think she understood. She didn't give us
[35:49] Speaker 3: any any problems, but we were able to go meet
[35:53] Speaker 3: and talk with her and just kind of kind of
[35:55] Speaker 3: you know, uh initially like we did that initially, but
[35:58] Speaker 3: then we kind of uh did it, you know, at
[36:00] Speaker 3: a midway point two, uh, and just kind of a
[36:03] Speaker 3: check in with her. And I think she got a
[36:05] Speaker 3: little overwhelmed because I think she was getting here from
[36:08] Speaker 3: both sides.
[36:08] Speaker 1: You know, she was.
[36:09] Speaker 3: She she was very patient and willing to hear anything
[36:13] Speaker 3: we had to tell her. But then she had other
[36:15] Speaker 3: folks in her ear too, and you know, and I'm
[36:18] Speaker 3: sure that's it probably wasn'ts fun reliving all, you know,
[36:22] Speaker 3: her daughter's murder all over again.
[36:24] Speaker 1: Sure sure, I run into it myself talking to victims families.
[36:29] Speaker 1: You know, it's it's the pain never goes away and
[36:33] Speaker 1: not having an answer to it, you know. The Weatherford
[36:39] Speaker 1: Police Department continued to focus on Ricky Lee Green for
[36:43] Speaker 1: Wendy Robinson's murder even after his execution, until a new lead,
[36:48] Speaker 1: a big one, began to steer them away from Green.
[36:53] Speaker 1: Here is a recording a former Weatherford Police Department chief,
[36:58] Speaker 1: the late l Wood Wholehurtz, which I was able to
[37:03] Speaker 1: obtain deep into my investigation, and what he has to
[37:07] Speaker 1: say changes a few things for me with regard to
[37:10] Speaker 1: not only Wendy's case, but Vincent and Shelley's as well.
[37:16] Speaker 6: Weatherford wasn't supposed to be investigating it, but did not
[37:20] Speaker 6: want that case. Body was found out in the county
[37:24] Speaker 6: and really nobody knows if she's abducted, lake or it.
[37:28] Speaker 6: We always wondered about that Petro. Maybe he didn't want
[37:32] Speaker 6: to touch a case. So I had to let my
[37:35] Speaker 6: detectors take the case. It's going to be a hot
[37:38] Speaker 6: case to investigate and form politician. That was not a
[37:43] Speaker 6: good deal to me. It had to be investigated, and
[37:48] Speaker 6: that's the reason I told the intectors take off on it.
[37:51] Speaker 6: I just know he didn't want to touch a case
[37:54] Speaker 6: and it had to be investigated. I told my people
[37:57] Speaker 6: go through it.
[38:04] Speaker 1: So the elected sheriff at the time Wendy's body was
[38:07] Speaker 1: found was the same guy in office in nineteen eighty
[38:11] Speaker 1: three when Vincent and Shelley were murdered, and he did
[38:15] Speaker 1: not want to take Wendy's case. That is not so unusual.
[38:21] Speaker 1: I have learned. Elected sheriffs are politicians, optics are everything.
[38:28] Speaker 1: Reelection is always the goal. But this situation turns into
[38:34] Speaker 1: a jurisdictional pissing contest, which might have led to the
[38:38] Speaker 1: case against Ricky Lee Green becoming sidetracked. Elwood Hulhertz's investigators
[38:45] Speaker 1: jumped in they focused on getting a composite drawing done
[38:50] Speaker 1: of the man who had rob the guy's wallet at
[38:52] Speaker 1: the Petro and afterward tossed it into that lake. They
[38:57] Speaker 1: felt there could be a connection somewhere in there, because
[39:00] Speaker 1: remember the robbery happened on the day Wendy went missing,
[39:06] Speaker 1: and when they fished that wallet out of the lake,
[39:08] Speaker 1: as you heard, they found some of Wendy's belongings, potentially
[39:14] Speaker 1: tying the two crimes together. I should note that composite
[39:19] Speaker 1: in no way resembled Ricky Lee Green. By then, Green
[39:24] Speaker 1: had been completely ruled out, even if there were certain
[39:28] Speaker 1: detectives who still believed he did it, with a major
[39:32] Speaker 1: part of ruling him out being that the Texas Rangers
[39:37] Speaker 1: were now involved. I asked Patricia Springer where the investigation
[39:46] Speaker 1: into Wendy's murder went from there.
[39:53] Speaker 7: His attorney, his defense attorney, had a Sodian Pitothhal interview
[39:58] Speaker 7: with a psychiatrist, and I petitioned the court to be
[40:02] Speaker 7: able to see that. They would not allow me to
[40:04] Speaker 7: see it until after his execution. But I did go
[40:07] Speaker 7: see that interview, and in that interview, he talks about
[40:11] Speaker 7: a Wendy that he killed, but he said he stabbed
[40:14] Speaker 7: her and stabbed her, and stabbed her and stabbed her,
[40:16] Speaker 7: which is what he did to his victims. He always
[40:19] Speaker 7: used a knife, which is another sexual instrument to him,
[40:23] Speaker 7: and Wendy didn't have a stab wound, honor. She was
[40:26] Speaker 7: hit with a large rock in its splitter skull.
[40:30] Speaker 1: You see. Very few were listening to what the evidence dictated.
[40:36] Speaker 1: Most were stuck on the obvious. A serial killer says
[40:39] Speaker 1: he did it, then I guess he did it. They
[40:42] Speaker 1: took Green at his word a huge mistake and seemed
[40:46] Speaker 1: to disregard the obvious evidence that Wendy was never stabbed. Now,
[40:54] Speaker 1: is there any chance that Ricky could have killed Shelley
[40:59] Speaker 1: and Vincent?
[41:01] Speaker 5: I don't personally believe so.
[41:03] Speaker 7: That just seemed like either planned or they came upon something.
[41:08] Speaker 7: The theory has always been that they came upon a
[41:10] Speaker 7: drug deal that was going down. And also, Ricky never
[41:14] Speaker 7: used a firearm in any of these killings, that it
[41:16] Speaker 7: would have been very unusual for him to switch from
[41:21] Speaker 7: his weapon of choice. There are also other murders that well,
[41:26] Speaker 7: they said he did, they don't have any proof. After
[41:30] Speaker 7: his execution, I had the Texas Rangers come in and
[41:35] Speaker 7: draw blood from him so that they would have DNA
[41:38] Speaker 7: for any future cases. Unfortunately, the Texas Department of Public
[41:44] Speaker 7: Safety can't find that DNA.
[41:48] Speaker 1: Imagine that they lost the DNA collected from a serial killer.
[41:54] Speaker 1: While certain investigators were literally closing Wendy Robinson's case at
[42:00] Speaker 1: her murder to Ricky Lee Green, not following where the
[42:04] Speaker 1: evidence was taking them, the Weatherford Police Department received a
[42:08] Speaker 1: call from a young woman, the daughter of a guy
[42:11] Speaker 1: named not kidding you, Ricky Lee Adkins, and that call, well,
[42:18] Speaker 1: it changed everything.
[42:22] Speaker 7: Her father had confessed to her that he was part
[42:26] Speaker 7: of the murder of Wendy Robinson in Wetherford.
[42:28] Speaker 5: And then that's when they went.
[42:31] Speaker 7: Back to Adkins, found his name in the murder book
[42:34] Speaker 7: that they had, that he was known back then. He
[42:39] Speaker 7: was known to be sleeping in his vehicle at Lake Weatherford.
[42:46] Speaker 1: And when they checked that composite of the petro robbery
[42:49] Speaker 1: suspect which had led to the wallet in the lake
[42:52] Speaker 1: and Wendy's belongings, the dude turned out to be a
[42:56] Speaker 1: dead ringer for the man whose daughter had dropped the
[42:59] Speaker 1: dime on him. And now just like that, the Weatherford
[43:02] Speaker 1: PD had his name.
[43:07] Speaker 7: All of a sudden, he came to the forefront the
[43:10] Speaker 7: pieces start to do.
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[43:38] Speaker 7: When they went to the wall to see what was
[43:42] Speaker 7: left there, her car was there, it was unlocked, but
[43:46] Speaker 7: her purse and her radio and her keys were gone.
[43:50] Speaker 9: Yeah, I have no doubt Frosts everything.
[43:52] Speaker 6: For one.
[43:53] Speaker 4: Frosty was like one of the big wigs back then.
[43:56] Speaker 9: You know, he's a Walter White of Parker County when
[43:59] Speaker 9: it came to cook enemies. I mean, he was one
[44:02] Speaker 9: of the guys that were the guys you went to
[44:05] Speaker 9: to get the best stuff on the market.
[44:07] Speaker 1: And if he was a cop pain in my house.
[44:09] Speaker 8: Here's probably like a year ago. They came over.
[44:12] Speaker 5: Here and well belong, they started.
[44:14] Speaker 3: Choosing everything, and I said, well, for you'll get all
[44:16] Speaker 3: high and all this sudther. Y'all need to understand that
[44:19] Speaker 3: I took a pollybat tans that I passed it.
[44:26] Speaker 1: Paper Ghost season five is written and executive produced by
[44:30] Speaker 1: me and William Phelps. Script consulting by iHeartMedia Executive producer
[44:36] Speaker 1: Catherine Law. Production by toc Boom Productions, Audio mastering and
[44:42] Speaker 1: mixing by Brandon Dicker. The series theme number four four
[44:47] Speaker 1: to two is written and performed by Thomas Phelps and
[44:51] Speaker 1: Tom Mooney

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