# The AI XR Podcast. A podcast by Charlie Fink Productions. Get the inside story on the biggest tech developments from founders, former executives, and industry veterans who built companies like OpenAI, Google DeepMind, Meta Reality Labs, Apple Vision Pro, Microsoft HoloLens, and Unity. Join Charlie Fink (Forbes), Ted Schilowitz, (Red Camera, Fox, Paramount Futurist) & Rony Abovitz, (founder Magic Leap).as they interview startup CEOs, ex-Google/Meta/Apple insiders, Hollywood directors, and AI researchers reshaping spatial computing. Every week we break down the latest tech news with our signature hot takes, then dive deep with a founder or industry leader. We cover artificial intelligence breakthroughs, virtual reality hardware, augmented reality applications, synthetic media tools, and how enterprises are adopting these technologies. We're industry insiders who have the connections to get the biggest names on the show, but we're not afraid to ask the tough questions about where big tech is heading. Our guests trust us because we've been in their shoes. Listen now to get ahead of the next wave of computing. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Feed: https://feeds.acast.com/public/shows/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6 ## Latest episodes - [Inside the Vertical Streaming Gold Rush ft. Angela Yu, CEO of StoReel](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/0b72d953d515) (2026-10-23, 55 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6adbbb97f38f36c234477898/media.mp3 - [Audience Is Dead. Meet the ‘Actience'. ft. Charles Melcher, Author of "The Future of Storytelling"](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/869a884bcd84) (2026-10-09, 58 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6ac970b7253c13a898640d7d/media.mp3 - [A Four-Day Coma Couldn't Stop This Game ft. Johnny Monsarrat, Founder of Turbine (MMO)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/e953a9de19c0) (2026-10-02, 58 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6ac01f175558f9dbe27eef12/media.mp3 - [How Quilty Is Opening Hollywood's Gates ft. Simon Horsman & Daniel Wood, Quilty.app](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/eccdeae48690) (2026-09-25, 58 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6ab6b8b8fb182c6fb5e43fb9/media.mp3 - [Peloton for Gamers: Virtuix Goes Public ft. Jan Goetgeluk, CEO of Virtuix](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/05abf428387d) (2026-09-18, 56 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6aad872f0521dc2c8124ee11/media.mp3 - [Revisiting "Cyberselfish": Silicon Valley's Libertarian Culture, Then and Now ft. Paulina Borsook](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/dbe68be6708a) (2026-09-11, 64 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6aa47ceaff74edfd008db118/media.mp3 - [VR Winter 2.0 Just Claimed Its Biggest Casualty ft. Steve Grubbs (Victory XR) & Malia Probst (Scout House)](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/0b80c73be5b7) (2026-09-04, 48 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a9b5444f8f4d4258913e250/media.mp3 - [Causal AI: A Different Approach to Robot Intelligence ft. Biwei Huang, Founder of Aether AI](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/6dec0e95803c) (2026-09-02, 58 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a9768d13e79af5f489e3dbb/media.mp3 - [The Window to Virtual Reality That Skips the Headset ft. Barmak Heshmat, CEO of Brelyon](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/503d2b077e71) (2026-08-21, 57 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a88da7b20cb324b77741d8d/media.mp3 - [Forget Consumer AR. This Is Where Smart Glasses Actually Pay Off ft. Mark Greget, CEO of NuEyes](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/1399eb938edf) (2026-08-14, 51 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a7f646683128ee3d2642c72/media.mp3 - [Meta's Glasses Aren't the Problem. Trust Is. ft. Cortney Harding, Friends With Holograms](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/c4267858fcd2) (2026-08-11, 58 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a7bab2a1549db32d45571e1/media.mp3 - [Why the iPhone Beats the Headset for AR Characters ft. Mark Drummond, CEO of Pixi](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/169b26caa281) (2026-08-03, 54 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a71294c6af4dfc9183f6bb4/media.mp3 - [Episode 300: An AI Agent Went Rogue, China's Kimi Landed, and Katie Jacobs Stanton on Bridging the Divide](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/1fe1f34f2ab8) (2026-07-24, 49 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a63d061a7fbf9da145324d1/media.mp3 - [Meta's Problem Isn't Money. It's Imagination. ft. Irena Cronin, CEO of Infinite Retina](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/79dc1fc33c50) (2026-07-17, 47 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a5abdd478e0412bc644d226/media.mp3 - [Why the Best Way to Train a Surgeon Is in Virtual Reality ft. Justin Barad, Osso VR](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/792d77083856) (2026-07-13, 54 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a557b1e08f5afd13436e49a/media.mp3 - [Why VR Arcades Died and What's Replacing Them ft. Kevin Williams](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/53bfbadb46da) (2026-07-08, 55 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a4d9771195f863605ea4c75/media.mp3 - [Meet the AI Actress Built by a Performer ft. 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Akash Nigam](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/2821f6702a7b) (2026-06-19, 57 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a34e64af1612f1c699117c0/media.mp3 - [Big Tech Buy Hollywood For Soft Power: AI Film & The Cost of Empty Sound Stages ft. Alan Lasky](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/5932f0cfc497) (2026-06-19, 52 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a34e5104a8189f2c3993033/media.mp3 - [Tech Giants Have Spent $120 Billion To Own The Future Of Virtual Reality & XR ft. Ian Hamilton](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/6a6d3d001ec8) (2026-06-19, 56 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a34e259f1612f1c698f9563/media.mp3 - [The Mad-Scientist of AI Smartglasses On Wearable AI, VR & Escaping the Internet ft. Lucas Rizzotto](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/2f358d2d4b9f) (2026-06-19, 57 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a34e1bc6f90df4cb7e87521/media.mp3 - [Why Social Media Lost in Court and AI Agents Demand Total Surveillance ft. Shelley Palmer](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/920ea87e8ad9) (2026-06-19, 54 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a34e123db494ef85c86f389/media.mp3 - [What Spatial AI, World Models & Quantum Computing Mean For The Global Economy ft. 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ILMxLab’s Vicki Dobbs Beck](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/ccb15c520e01) (2026-06-19, 58 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a34de9f4a2a3be0f4060375/media.mp3 - [AI Smart Glasses, Digital Twins & Holodecks Are Changing Work In The Enterprise ft Kristi Woolsey](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/4f316185a509) (2026-06-19, 53 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a34de00db494ef85c861457/media.mp3 - [America Is Racing Toward An AI Cliff With No Safety Net, Will AGI Hurt Or Harm? - Alvin Wang Graylin](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/37e4152ff213) (2026-06-19, 50 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a34dd514a187774acdc848f/media.mp3 - [Can Interactive, Remixable Video Actually Pay Creators & Keep Audience Attention For AI Content - Edward Saatchi](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/aad00a18eea5) (2026-06-19, 57 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a34dc616f90df4cb7e6e8f6/media.mp3 - [Real-Time AI Video Generation Is Changing Everything For Twitch Live Streamers - Dean Leitersdorf](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1526505913/4f75ce58eebf) (2026-06-19, 58 min): audio https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/5f2ae0b91ea7197e1ef08ed6/e/6a34db39db494ef85c854d02/media.mp3 - [This Veteran Game Dev (LucasFilm Games) & XR Creator Built AI Filmmaking Platform for Creatives ft. 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