# Love is Blind Netherlands: S1 Reunion w/Brian

An episode of [Tayne Talks: A Reality TV Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1522401890), 23 Oct 2026, 1 h 24 min.

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## Transcript

[0:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of Tain Talks.
[0:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I am your host Tain here with another new episode talking about the love is blind Netherlands reunion with a little bit of the weddings.
[0:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And here with me as always is my partner in crime when it comes to love is blind.
[0:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It is Brian from Maps version.
[0:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Hello Brian, how are you?
[0:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You know what?
[0:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I am confused why everyone thought that Mark looks so different because I'm like, he doesn't look bad different.
[0:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It depends on how you get a full head transplant.
[0:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You look tired of the same to me, his hair is better, but that's kind of it.
[0:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Here it goes, Brian, again, jumping and starting from the middle.
[0:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, I just said how would I do you?
[0:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: How are you doing?
[0:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: How's everything going?
[0:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Didn't even ease into the surprise, he just went straight to it.
[1:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And your good moods led you straight to Mark.
[1:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Unfortunately, it really happens, huh?
[1:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh my god, yes, welcome to the episode like good idea for us to put the weddings together because almost thought that that was going to be a wedding We've been joking that there was one and half weddings and the half almost felt like wait I didn't really gonna go through this like what is happening right now, but now we're right for a second.
[1:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I thought so yeah, we're right.
[1:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It was all right
[1:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But we'll get into all of that.
[1:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'll do a quick summary of the weddings before we get straight into the reunion where, you know, they kind of woke up a little bit in the reunion a little the best way the Dutch close I guess and you know, it was this day, but you know, we'll talk about that.
[1:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But before I get into that, guys, the Dutch delegation came through shout out to Laude
[1:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I hope I'm saying that right.
[1:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I'm not gonna attempt the last name because I'm not gonna pronounce it right.
[1:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But thank you for sharing your perspective on all of the different things and for listening to this season.
[2:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I'll share a little bit of what she shared with me and it's like one.
[2:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Marriage is less of a priority here than it is in the US.
[2:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Couples often marry after years together like for practical reasons or just to have a party and practical reasons like kids.
[2:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I have a party as crazy work.
[2:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like the whole Mary Meaw leave mindset is pretty uncommon and like even when they watch Meredith for a site she's like it feels more like regular dating not really like Oh, what did I have a commitment and be there together and we have proof with the host Remember in the beginning when I was talking about how they were together for like what 10 years or something And you've never had two kids and all that stuff.
[2:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So thank you for that inside which is like so why would we do love his
[2:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's just skip it, but you know jumping ahead like Brian there.
[2:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He got a season two.
[2:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think they said that's a mistake
[3:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Nobody needs that.
[3:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We have to show her engagement in just to be like, it works guys in some way.
[3:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She also said they don't really have a reality TV industry where people build careers.
[3:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Most contestants just love the attention and Miguel especially loves the cameras.
[3:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: About Mark and my new
[3:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, that fight that we kept talking about and we're like, what is happening?
[3:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What is going on?
[3:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, the deal is, Mark had just started his own business during filming, according to LinkedIn.
[3:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She said, good, sleuthing.
[3:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Thank you.
[3:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because.
[3:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Deep dive.
[3:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Did not do that.
[3:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I believe Minu was becoming self-employed too.
[3:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So he was frustrated that all day long, she just done nothing, but then he was like, okay, what are you doing this weekend?
[3:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I want us to hang out.
[3:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She's like, I have to work.
[3:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So the issue was not making time for them.
[3:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, you could do the work during the day, but you're choosing to do the work when we could be hanging out.
[4:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Which kind of makes sense, but also you can dictate to someone when they shoot, they should have an agreed upon time when they're hanging out.
[4:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like was there a plan for them to hang out specifically?
[4:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And she's just like, ah, screw that.
[4:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm going to work with you.
[4:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Don't be like that.
[4:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I'm going to have a couch all day.
[4:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Then when you come in, fire that computer up.
[4:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh man, don't work.
[4:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So that's a whole different thing.
[4:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then his bigger fear was that it seemed like she wasn't taking her business seriously.
[4:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And he was worried that he would support her financially.
[4:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And that's why she kept saying, I can afford my share of the house.
[4:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like I don't know what you're talking about.
[4:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But she does express all caps very rudely.
[4:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He said that.
[4:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But that was the basis of their fight.
[4:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because I was just like, what are we fighting about?
[4:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, what did I miss?
[4:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And also, my new is also someone who does a humanistic upbringing
[4:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Not to familiar with that, but it explains how constant, like even when he did wrong, he's a beautiful person, he makes me laugh, and I don't know, maybe she's nice, I don't know, to win him back.
[4:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She's like, as a Dutch person, she finds that strange, like, you know, if someone is that mean to you and someone changes their mind, don't,
[5:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: try to get him back.
[5:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So also the letter things, she says, it's a menu thing.
[5:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Not a Dutch thing, but I have to slightly disagree because we saw a lot of it in the pods.
[5:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So it was there was galore.
[5:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Letters and Montréal.
[5:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They were going on.
[5:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: about Santa class, the tradition that they want to call Sully Pete, but it's really black face.
[5:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She's like, I cannot defend that, but a lot of Dutch people see changing it as an attack on their culture.
[5:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So yeah, can't speak to that.
[5:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Do you know I agree with that?
[5:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, okay, sometimes cultures need to be attacked, I guess.
[5:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I tell you, they do.
[5:43] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It was a part of our culture for a long time, too.
[5:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, we stopped doing it.
[5:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Most of us.
[5:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, harmful cultures can be changed.
[5:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, Erian's comments were definitely not okay that she can imagine like it's just a way to Dutch talk and they're being blunt and maybe what he's really trying to say is like I'm not attracted to blondes and it came out that way but he did make several question in the comments again something.
[6:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't think I understand because in all different translations we got, I don't know black people, I don't know the hue.
[6:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Anybody are fully black.
[6:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And in which way, you made that very clear.
[6:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But she does say that racism is definitely an issue in the Netherlands and that includes racial profiling.
[6:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But the cultural context is different from the US.
[6:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So like for them in the US it's more about you know defending your heritage representing your entire common community and stuff that seems to be like something in the US but not for them.
[6:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But for Dutch viewers they would absolutely be shocked by Uranus comments but in a completely different way.
[6:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I don't want to speak for her but that was just basically what she said in that way.
[6:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's basically what it was.
[6:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think the last thing was just personal, like Dutch reality TV seems to either have lots of drama without much death or thoughtful or educated contestants who over-analyze everything and just seem disconnected from their feelings.
[7:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And actually, that explains a lot of what you remember when we were trying to figure out, what is missing from this show?
[7:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, there's a lot of expression.
[7:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: There's a lot of talking, but it's like,
[7:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's not coming across like something so I think that's yeah, so she's like you either get emotions without reflection or reflection without really feeling anything as a viewer and I'm like nailed it.
[7:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Lotty like honestly exactly that's exactly what it is so thank you so much.
[7:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Lotty like you came through and thank you for that so I learned something now.
[7:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So that's what it was.
[7:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So we'll go straight into the weddings.
[7:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The half wedding will start with with Fris Miguel and Yasmin.
[7:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm just like, Yasmin is going through this, like this man didn't tell her that there was no connection.
[7:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, are we seeing something than what she's experiencing?
[8:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because she honestly had hope that this she did.
[8:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: gonna happen.
[8:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And Miguel sent her flowers, wrote her note and I'm like, uh, what?
[8:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, oh.
[8:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Did he realize this is the true love of my life or something?
[8:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so I was like, oh, he's going to say yes.
[8:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She walks on the aisle, her grommies and tears because it's her grommies birthday.
[8:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm like, oh, God, don't do us a man as birthday.
[8:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, no.
[8:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um,
[8:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then, you know, they go to the altar.
[8:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Of course she says, yes, Miguel says no, I need more time.
[8:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Grandma takes it very badly.
[8:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Grandma's sobbing.
[8:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's not tears.
[8:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It is sobbing on air.
[8:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: again, I think Yasmin is reading the room wrong and she's like, you know, we have time, like, you know, he said no to the wedding, but we're still going to be together.
[8:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm like, that's not what I heard.
[8:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Well, so the translation that I got, the translation is basically
[9:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: This is, this is no to right now in, in maps parlance, it's a yes to more time.
[9:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's like, we, you know, I'm not done yet, but like, I can't say yes to marriage right now, but that doesn't mean I want to be like, not with you anymore.
[9:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's essentially what you said to her in the, in the dub version.
[9:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: to be fair that is what he said, but everything was, I think because I'm already in the mindset, like I don't know what we're doing.
[9:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They need it in another couple.
[9:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I just feel like he told her there was no romantic connection.
[9:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And there's no way he wasn't feeling it.
[9:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And she also said she told her friend, she felt a distance.
[9:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I just, I don't understand the whole tunnel vision and saying that wasn't what it was.
[9:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I mean, he confirmed it in a confessional.
[9:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He was like, yeah, I couldn't bring myself to say.
[9:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I mean, he was basically like man in front of everybody like that, like I can do now, but like it's a big crowd there.
[9:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[9:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, so that was that.
[10:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then they had a conversation because he comes in there and then he tells her and she's like, wait.
[10:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So you're saying we're not going to be together.
[10:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, how many like what do what needs to be done for this to click?
[10:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's like, yeah, no, you're dumped.
[10:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: This is this is the end of it.
[10:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I know her parents come through and she tells them he's like he says we're done.
[10:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They're like wait What so like you're done done and I'm like you know this is the thing about love is mine.
[10:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I've always said
[10:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They need to make it to the altar.
[10:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But the more seasons we go through, I'm just like, it is kind of cruel to get your family and friends.
[10:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know how far not I had to drive or fly on her birthday.
[10:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: On her birthday.
[10:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That will always be the day her granddaughter was rejected at the altar now.
[10:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[10:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But to get the whole family to come down and the plan is to say no all along, oh my God.
[10:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: it hurts man but all the other hand you knew what the show was when you signed up for it so like you knew you're gonna have to have Nana come you saw the calendar you play figure out uh oh off the close to her birthday when this is supposed to be wrapping up I feel bad like it's a bummer but like I know that I am not set out for this show so I would not be good for it I think if that's a concern you have don't come on this show
[11:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, it's so stand by it, like make it to the altar and say no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[11:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: on D'Olation, I think it's called, while the formulation, the formulation there you go.
[11:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The formulation while they're there, so it was nice for the wedding as expected, and by the power vested in the very enthusiastic efficient, she, she was very ordered.
[12:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Excited.
[12:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, she didn't bother, sure.
[12:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: um they both say yes and they're married and that's what happens and um we'll go straight into the reunion honestly um that moment's at the same thing the UK did the whole Netflix dog spoof sit down and talk immediately are we ready I'm like can we retire this and sick of it it was cool for about a day and a half maybe too much like it wasn't even like it was a
[12:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, they're all saying like little lines as they walk in and mark is like, I'm not a bad person, but I came across as a bastard and I'm like, well, you said it.
[12:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, yeah.
[12:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think they all look great.
[12:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, I will say when the host came out, I was like, what couple is this?
[12:55] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm kind of fine.
[12:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, I get it.
[13:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: This is, this is a very interchangeable season.
[13:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was like, oh, yeah, host, like a lot.
[13:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: There you are.
[13:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Bosnian music.
[13:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, I hated Mika's dress.
[13:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like everyone looked great.
[13:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, she still looked great.
[13:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just hated it.
[13:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It just looked very pageanty, I guess.
[13:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like just, this is my evening, evening, evening, evening, where, evening, down, where, something.
[13:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We do get confirmation.
[13:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It has been one year.
[13:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like good.
[13:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We're being consistent across people that did nothing for things to happen because one of the couples imagine if it was just till Christmas We got it.
[13:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, we're all whole different set up And now we mentioned that in that one year Mark has gone and got himself a whole new face
[13:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: because he sat down and Manu was like, Huh, because so he walked in and I'm like, wait am I, am I tired?
[13:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Is it my glasses guys?
[13:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I've been going through it with my glasses prescriptions.
[13:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I've had to get three prescriptions I've had.
[14:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It changed three times because, you know, doctors, ophthalmologists, whatever.
[14:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They don't want to believe you.
[14:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like guys, this is too strong.
[14:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This doesn't make any sense.
[14:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's not right.
[14:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I'm like, maybe my glasses are off, but his face is awfully smooth.
[14:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Right Is it foundation what it tells her all is the both of us?
[14:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was like, uh, both of them don't do this like what is so I just shrugged it off But then when they came back again the host of like You look different he's like yep, and I'm like huh I want to know the journey that led to that it seems Not like I know the man it seems anti mark or I wouldn't peg mark for
[14:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's confusing and you know, and maybe maybe I am jaded because I'm used to housewives unions where you show up with like a completely different head all together and we just act like you didn't have that much work done.
[14:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[14:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But when they reacted to it, I'm like, I mean, you know, I was I was more aware of it seeing Meredith marks this season and like she didn't do anything drastic done.
[15:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So I'm like, he looks better, but I would have the way they reacted.
[15:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I would've expected like handsome squidward to walk out where it's like, oh, you're in tire faces all new bolt-on pieces.
[15:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's not what we got.
[15:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But he didn't look smoother.
[15:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He didn't have any porers.
[15:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'll give you that.
[15:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I think his hairline looked better.
[15:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But I wonder if it just because his hair was like cut differently now and style differently.
[15:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So it doesn't look quite as forehead centric.
[15:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I didn't notice the hair, but honestly, the lack of pores was unnerving.
[15:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It just every time I looked at it, I was like, I don't know what to do with this.
[15:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because I'm the flip side, too.
[15:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like Miguel had a little change.
[15:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He wasn't, his hair wasn't shaved.
[15:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He grew out.
[15:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: His hair is curly a little bit to my gel, but it was there.
[15:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And it wasn't that dry.
[15:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, I guess it's not plastic surgery, but it was just, I don't know, his was unnerving.
[15:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But yeah, so we'll go into the couples, but I'll take my first break.
[16:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: All right, and we're back.
[16:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So we dive in and start with Yasmin, Ruel, and Miguel.
[16:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We find out that her grandpa recently passed, and you know, alright, P. Grandpa, he was there, you know, for the wedding, and they're asked how her grandma is doing, and they're like, you know, she's doing okay, but she's lost, you know, the love of her life for like what 56 years, I believe she said.
[16:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Some of that, yeah, through it, and
[16:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, yes, this is to be holding up well, like she's not, you know, like crying or anything.
[16:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She's sad.
[16:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm gonna say she's not, but like, you know, um, they're all working through it.
[16:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So they are still talking about this wedding.
[16:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like there was a chance it was going to happen.
[16:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I think that was my issue with the host.
[16:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, yeah, they probed.
[16:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But sometimes the questions they asked were like, huh?
[16:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[16:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: If Yasmine didn't know, that's a whole different thing, or if Yasmine had hope, but we the viewers, and you've had a whole year to reflect on it, we had a whole year to hear what Miguel said about the attraction, why are we saying, like, talking about it, like, oh, it could have with something have no.
[17:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No.
[17:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He wanted to see me.
[17:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, he's not into her, he got what he needed.
[17:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And that's that.
[17:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, there's nothing deeper to dig into here.
[17:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He laid out what happened pretty effectively.
[17:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: the fact that he moved on with not one but two women in the span of the today's
[17:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, Yasmin says it was very difficult to watch, you know, when he said no and I'm still here.
[17:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's still baffled at how completely confident that he was going to say yes and they ask her they were like, you were confident that he was going to say yes and she's like, yeah, it is coming and I was like, oh, no, we have a deeper problem Yasmin because one hand you were so sure was well, that you weren't and now you were so sure was Miguel, even though the signs were there.
[17:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, speaking of the ophthalmologist, she needs to get up and check if he didn't see this coming.
[17:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, this is, I mean, Stevie Wonder saw this coming.
[18:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's not that confusing about what happened here.
[18:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He made it pretty clear, even to the point that he like freaked out and told his friend in the alley, like, when you're 20 feet away, he's like, yeah, that is not what I want.
[18:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So, like, there wasn't much mystery here.
[18:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Nicolette is like, well, what signals made you think it was going to work and this is where a translation Elevates things because it's like a simple question like, oh, why did you think it was gonna work?
[18:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But when someone says what signals made you think it's almost like shade or how I'm choosing to interpret it is like The large work you see
[18:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What is it?
[18:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The saxophones were getting louder and you were like, it's still going to happen.
[18:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So the use of signals was funny to me.
[18:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then Yasmin is like, well, it's not as clear cut as that.
[18:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, she did feel or she knew that he didn't want to get married, but she just didn't think that it was the end of them as a couple.
[18:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I guess I could give her that.
[19:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But on the flip side, it's also like you should want more for yourself.
[19:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, he almost felt like she's punishing herself for not picking him first, and it's like being accommodating.
[19:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She kept saying he needs more time, he needs more time.
[19:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He didn't need time to move on with two women.
[19:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'll tell you that.
[19:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And it's either on the flip that you think that, well, for these women, it was just physical.
[19:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But for me, I'm the real deal.
[19:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm different.
[19:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, we always fall into that trap of you being the different one.
[19:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: When someone shows you who they are, you got to take it.
[19:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You're not the one that's going to change it, you know?
[19:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No, you're the same as all the other ones, man.
[19:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You're the exact same.
[19:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So she says she asks him if she holds it.
[19:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, Nicolette asks her, like, do you hold it against him that he didn't say it at the altar that, you know?
[19:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: he just wanted to be done instead of saying like we're just a done here, but she says I don't hold it against him, but I would have preferred if he told me before the altar would have been nice, but that's how this show so I'm happy he didn't.
[20:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, and if you don't know, we would have had just one couple.
[20:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And it's very clear that they push them to kind of beat together.
[20:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm surprised that that the other couple is separate.
[20:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But yeah, yeah.
[20:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This was the point where I noticed that Bas with the Mill Host only addressed Miguel and then Nicolette only addressed, oh.
[20:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I didn't notice that.
[20:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, and then I thought is I was gonna be the rest by the end of the episode Then they say Chris crossing but for the most part that was the pattern of how it was but when this interaction It was only Guy on Guy girl and girl.
[20:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So crazy.
[20:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I hadn't noticed Then Miguel says oh it's been so hard since I watched it like when I watched this like I cry I wished I handled this better and that's another thing that I don't know if this is
[20:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, you need to the Dutch.
[20:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: There's a lot of, I know it was hard for you, but oh my God, it was so hard for me.
[21:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: As I watched it, even though you're the one who did the stuff or did the thing, like, it was given.
[21:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: This hurts me more than it hurts you.
[21:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, I'm like, I don't think it does, man.
[21:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And they're so free with their tears, but from what I watched all season, it doesn't move me because it comes so easily, and I'm like, okay.
[21:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You're still doing the thing, just because you cry, doesn't mean anything.
[21:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Doesn't mean anything.
[21:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It means your eyes got wet.
[21:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It doesn't mean anything.
[21:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Then he follows it up by saying like, well, I did try to tell her, like it might be wise not to invite so many family members to her wedding.
[21:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I tried to give you every time when I said you should be cancel all those flights.
[21:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Don't book out your room block.
[21:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But please guys don't forget he says it was so painful for him.
[21:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh my gosh.
[21:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But you know like is this the first time you guys are seeing each other like yes and she looks so radiant and she's so beautiful.
[22:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then she starts crying.
[22:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm like oh this is what broke her.
[22:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean you could be a combination of everything that's going on.
[22:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And they're like, why are you crying?
[22:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Why are you being emotional?
[22:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's just like, you know, just the way that he speaks about her and their breakup is reminding her of why she liked him.
[22:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And these are the things that she knows about him in his heart.
[22:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then they move on to Roel, and they said, you know, I mean, they just moved on and brought this from back to me.
[22:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, Roel.
[22:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: How did you know like how long after did you know that you know this wasn't happening and he was like a red after the reveal This is a dumb question.
[22:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's like I mean clearly the change happened after the reveal like unless they think role is going to be like Yasmin and he was just blind to the science He was like I noticed it the same and when all you guys noticed it like you know it's together
[22:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He's like after the reveal and then we got there and then she starts talking about Miguel all the time Like I kind of got the hint over there.
[22:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He says he just feels like she could be more gracious because he always She did her with respect and he doesn't feel like he got that back like her saying things like
[23:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: at the pod squad meetup, like, oh, he's speaking from ego, saying that he would make her trip and fall on the way to the bathroom, and he just feels like he, she also planted seeds in Miguel, so he didn't say hi and things like that.
[23:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So Miguel is like, I mean, he's right, like, we didn't get along in the pod.
[23:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They weren't great in the pod because, you know, we like the same women and, you know, so they just didn't get along at first.
[23:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And also I just want to
[23:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Someone sent this to me that Roel is serving the meat.
[23:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, I don't think it was that.
[23:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, I'm trying to remember where I got it from.
[23:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So guys, I appreciate your comments.
[23:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I know they come in, but I can't remember what but I think I got that that he was serving the meat.
[23:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, I'm mentioning that because that's some point.
[24:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Miguel, I'm jumping ahead.
[24:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But he's, uh, Roel, sorry, is going to mention how he had such a hard time in the quarters, which I'm like, I mean, I guess it's not the story they want to tell, but I think it's as to why Roel, we get a hard time like what is going on.
[24:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He just thought like all the guys were against him.
[24:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's exactly what he said and it's like, I wonder what that story was about.
[24:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, we did, I mean, I, again, like, like you, I understand why they don't show it to us, because like the story of love is blind, it's supposed to be these couples falling love in the pods and then what happens after.
[24:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[24:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Very rare.
[24:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Do we really get drama in the quarters?
[24:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, there was that one season with who was, what was Zack's original girl before he got with Bliss?
[24:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Where she went from her asshole to the mean girl.
[24:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[24:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But like that's the only one I can really think of where there was like actual beef in the quarters between people.
[24:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[24:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, she was an arena.
[25:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: arena, yeah, yeah, he made a little hurt a little like blonde friend as being assholes to everybody else laughing in their faces when they were crying.
[25:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's stuff like we don't get that very often.
[25:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So I I get why you don't want to showcase that if you don't have to.
[25:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But like, you know, I'm very curious what he means specifically, like why were the guys on his ass and like what did that look like when that was going on?
[25:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I don't know if this is fact plane devil's advocate is in the case where they lean into him when he comes to the women, but not necessarily
[25:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I couldn't be the case.
[25:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Absolutely.
[25:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[25:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What makes sense?
[25:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's how reality TV works.
[25:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So yeah, perpetuate that stereotype like, oh, the women I can't eat and all that when it also happens, because we've seen this man try to sabotage other people, but they don't go deeper into it.
[25:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They just kind of show here and there, and then that's it.
[25:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[25:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So Miguel does say that he thinks he should have treated Ruel differently, and he wasn't asshole, but then he apologizes to him.
[25:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm like, it took you all this long to realize that.
[26:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I thought you watched it and we're crying and fell bad about certain things.
[26:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You should have realized that.
[26:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So,
[26:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, Yasmin, they go back to Yasmin, which I was hoping, I was like, uh, the question was for Yasmin, when he mentioned that he, she could have done this graciously, like, let's not lose focus here because, you know, we were certain that Yasmin is the villain, honestly, and she just says things casually, like, no, you just didn't throw a bomb.
[26:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, right now Yasmin says, well, I kind of said that because that's how I felt.
[26:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, it doesn't affect babe.
[26:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I said that because, you know, he was front of mine for me, it's how I felt.
[26:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't like, you're still standing.
[26:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's amazing to me how these people stand tentals down after a year and you have a chance to reflect.
[26:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's kind of cool.
[26:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[26:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's wild to me.
[26:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: To me.
[26:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But we're all those where he does best.
[26:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He stands on business and he's like, well, no, like, this is how I felt.
[26:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, you did this.
[26:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You could have been gracious.
[26:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, he's never like, eh, it's fine.
[26:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He's like, he's very clear about how he feels.
[26:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And he's like, and also, if you really felt a tap away, it's been a year.
[27:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You still haven't reached out to me.
[27:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: that part where it's you had plenty of time three months ago even you know after a lot of times pass you could have said something you didn't.
[27:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I think what's thing is that she's not sorry.
[27:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't think she thinks she did anything wrong.
[27:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like I didn't feel anything for you, but again, I don't know.
[27:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They could have dope deeper, but also on the flip side, there's not much you're going to get out of Yasmin honestly.
[27:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like she's never actually said what it was.
[27:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She's keep saying
[27:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, she wraps it up by saying like, you know, at the reveal.
[27:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just want to make it clear.
[27:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like when the doors open, what I saw was a handsome man, but I think I just had this high expectation that the minute I see him, all my worries will go away.
[27:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then when the worries didn't go away, that's what I said, feeling, you know, sometime away.
[27:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm like, well, did you get more worries?
[27:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because he didn't look the way you wanted to look.
[27:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And why didn't your worries all go away?
[28:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And for me, this also is not a fair retail.
[28:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You're not going to see somebody in all your problems evaporate on site.
[28:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's not how real life works anyways.
[28:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So you came in with an unrealistic expectation.
[28:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And then essentially punish this man for not reading, meeting your crazy expectations.
[28:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yep.
[28:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, she throws in an apology, but I'm just like, I don't know.
[28:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Doesn't mean anything.
[28:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: her feet are not held to the fire, but also there's no point dragging it because exactly, we're not going to get anything.
[28:33] \[UNKNOWN\]: Anything.
[28:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: All right, I'll take a quick break and then come back to the women of Miguel.
[28:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: All right, and we're back.
[28:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So we get Claire and Claire walks out.
[28:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She looks great.
[28:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She kind of tripped.
[28:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She was a second person.
[28:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's a kind of trip because I'm joking.
[28:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm just tripped and I'm like, guys, let's figure out figure out the steps.
[28:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What the thing is that I always say, why do we keep this thing
[28:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They don't have to keep it.
[28:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There was no reason to show it was that.
[28:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Because if she actually falls down, show me that.
[29:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There show me her like stumbling for half a step and then getting it together.
[29:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There's no reason to show me that.
[29:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Mr. Bear was there for no reason.
[29:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay, so they're asking Miguel like, you know, you end their things with Claire like, you know, what happened and he was like, I had my reasons for ending things this is another frustration with Netherlands.
[29:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They say things so vaguely and broadly like we're there with them.
[29:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We don't know.
[29:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You've got to fill in the gaps, guys.
[29:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Then the host asks Claire whether reasons Claire to you.
[29:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Claire was like, not really, like he couldn't communicate it to me because we talked so much.
[29:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So at this point, I'm still thinking like what I said when she came out is like, this is so ought to me because Claire is not the most recent person.
[29:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Claire is not even who he was with when Little Miss Yasmin came back.
[29:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Claire moved on with Walter.
[30:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We did not hear a peep about Walter, he did not come out, he did not say anything and I'm like, this isn't complete.
[30:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: At least, I forgot, I forgot clear existed.
[30:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I forgot who she was and I early until we saw the flashbacks and like, oh, that's right.
[30:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's who this was.
[30:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[30:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, Miguel said talking about whole thing about old and hindsight, it was different.
[30:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And he shares what the reason was because Claire was saying like, oh, I thought it was like, oyster gate.
[30:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They started talking about oyster gate once again.
[30:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[30:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yep.
[30:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We're all like, huh?
[30:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then it's like, oh, it's always dergate.
[30:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't know what this is.
[30:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You guys are really excited about it.
[30:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They much like the fights.
[30:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They're not good with including us in this journey with them, which is wild because we are the viewers.
[30:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Right.
[30:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Don't put it in the reunion.
[30:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: If I don't look at understand it, they'll talk about it.
[30:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, a whole bunch of flashbacks.
[31:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Young you are happy, and so you could have included it.
[31:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But anyways, they talked about oysters.
[31:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I mean, they did, some of the conversations did happen.
[31:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And we just didn't have context.
[31:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We didn't know that it became oyster gate.
[31:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It happened, but we didn't know it was oyster gate.
[31:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So he says, like, they talked about Oistaz, they were saying, like, was his first time, she was like, yeah, I'll show it because he didn't like seafood or something like that, but he will try it with her.
[31:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: His first time.
[31:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then he turns out that she had arranged for a date with Roel because they talked about the whole, her and her friends, they like going for Oistaz, they liked it, and they had had Oistaz.
[31:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Now, the date, I don't know if they showed us that.
[31:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I know they showed us them talking about the Oistaz.
[31:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Remember, yeah, if we saw them eating or having the oyster date, it was five episodes.
[31:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't remember also.
[31:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't want to watch somebody eat oysters.
[31:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's it's it's gross eating.
[31:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You see salt flavored slime.
[31:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Let's go to watch that.
[31:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So then when we see the date of them having the oysters, we see behind the scenes footage of producers clearing out the oysters because of
[32:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So messy as it began standing at the door watch clear the oysters They made sure he saw that like hey stand like why couldn't you clear it out and miss it coming out like God, they might as well have like dropped a shell on his shoe as it walked by or whatever Just to really drive at home Like you couldn't miss it.
[32:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Hey hold off for three minutes while we get this plate of shells out of here and men come on in
[32:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It was, they were almost okay man.
[32:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You want to help us out here?
[32:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You want to become a plate and help us cure it to the cart.
[32:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yep, yep, yep, Claire gets emotional and says that she wants to explain.
[32:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She says she's getting emotional because she had asked him, like, is always to get the reason why you broke things off with me?
[32:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And he had said no.
[32:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And what she was thinking on her, think this perspective is everything, right?
[33:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She says she just wanted a date that was appropriate for each of them.
[33:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like something that would work for two of them.
[33:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He hates raw fish.
[33:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She doesn't enjoy it.
[33:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, it would be his first time in a moment, but why do something that he doesn't
[33:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And what she really wanted to do within was dance to Bad Bunny.
[33:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know why that means laugh, but that's what she wanted to do.
[33:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We saw that.
[33:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: She had mine, yeah.
[33:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We're the silent disco.
[33:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But the thing is that, but Roel, they talked about it.
[33:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He actually enjoys it.
[33:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So she had already planned it.
[33:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So Miguel was always her number one, but the time was just always off.
[33:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I think what I was taking a bath by was how much emotion they still have a year later.
[33:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, well, yes, I was going to say that she still has, but he's also still irritated by this whole oyster situation.
[33:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So yeah, I guess so.
[33:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, I think we can tell them a girl kind of has a temper.
[33:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He's mentioned it.
[33:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He said the Latin temper will come out and he just get his hot headed.
[33:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think that's yeah.
[34:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What I will say, but it's just I mean, there's no I guess is no timing, but for people who just knew each other a few days or.
[34:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Right.
[34:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know what it was.
[34:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: There's still a lot of emotion that's been processed.
[34:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And people who have moved on to allegedly, you know, with other people.
[34:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Exactly.
[34:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Well, he had moved on immediately anyway.
[34:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like he, I think.
[34:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Three women.
[34:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right.
[34:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Three women.
[34:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He would have been fine never seeing her again.
[34:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Wait, this was that he wasn't like emotionally wrecked by this oyster situation.
[34:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He had moved on right away.
[34:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[34:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, my new ass, like, the way you're emotional, like, do you still have hope for Miguel?
[34:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, what is this about?
[34:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She ended with that way, she's nicer, but that's me.
[34:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's like, why don't we?
[34:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, we pray.
[34:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, oh, she cries again and says, like, you know, what happens like in her life, even her exes have told her, she's always said that you would have to move to Spain.
[34:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I guess to get sun, that's the translation I got.
[34:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, it's sunny.
[35:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm like, Spain, that's sunny.
[35:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, I don't, I've never been to Europe, right?
[35:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But I think of Spain as like, I mean, the south part, yeah.
[35:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And like, the northern part, I mean, Bosch country, I don't think is like, bathed in, in like, sun.
[35:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I do, this is my ignorance showing through, I suppose.
[35:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I'm like, I don't know if they're, I think, this is being as a super sunny place.
[35:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, let's assume that she'd seen things about Ibiza and he's like, yes, this is where, do we have a love as my Spain, by the way?
[35:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We should have that.
[35:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't think we do we should we should have one of those yeah, yeah, we should yeah, we should yes get on it We'll cover it But anyways, yes, so that's a dream that she's always had I guess to participate in her exes like that's what we should do So the fact that she met Miguel prove that it exists This is I'm not laughing at her dream or anything, but I Didn't know what to make it like girl.
[35:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I what?
[35:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, no, this feels, it's all feels pretty absurd.
[35:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, this is all dumb.
[36:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, I do know what to make of that.
[36:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, I'm glad he made her realize it's possible to date a Spanish person.
[36:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That was my deduction because I'm like, right?
[36:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, there are people from Spain.
[36:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, yeah, this was, ah.
[36:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, um,
[36:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Walsh is crying, the host is just like, but Claire, aren't you glad you still did this?
[36:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, she's crying.
[36:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, you know, that's what I need to do this.
[36:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Give her a minute.
[36:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, and then she says she did.
[36:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But then, you know, at this point, I was thinking, hey, again, Claire is not the most recent.
[36:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: A virus is the one he actually broke up with to be with Yassin and Ended things.
[36:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I didn't think we were gonna get her.
[36:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So when Nicolette is like, oh, we get Elvira, I'm like,
[36:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Come through, Netherlands.
[36:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Let's do this and then I was like, I didn't remember what she looked like, but no idea.
[36:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It wasn't what I was expecting, but I'm like, oh, okay.
[36:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So now I have an idea.
[36:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It would never have worked with Yasmin.
[37:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: If this is what Miguel is looking for.
[37:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And everybody is free to do whatever they want.
[37:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But when I say his type,
[37:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Elvira is not shy with the, is a cosmetics.
[37:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, the fillers, the lip fillers, the Botox, the everything, sugar's plastic.
[37:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And if that's the look they's going for, well, it's either that her look or the sexual chemistry because he's very adamant on that and it seemed like they had a lot of sexual chemistry.
[37:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, which again, I don't remember from the pods, but they're like, you two are basically just having phone sex all the time, huh?
[37:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I was like, I don't remember this happening,
[37:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, she did say, like, she was not on screen for like a long time at all, but at point, Yasmin does look uncomfortable because, again, I'm just like, I don't know why you thought Miguel was ready.
[37:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Again, in the Zanzibar time, you left early.
[37:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know how long they spent five days, but you left early, say you went three days.
[37:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know again, how long you between before they went, but he was able to get it in with two women.
[38:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's not somebody that's ready.
[38:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then he dropped somebody to be with you.
[38:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Then
[38:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, that's the part of this where it's, do you really want to be with somebody who could start something with somebody new and then just immediately drop it at the drop of a hat and that's not it's not a great endorsement for kind of a man you're going to be like to be with.
[38:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, me go since like for the vara it was like hopefully it's not Elvira.
[38:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They in the dub version they say Elvira, but like who fucking knows because they miss not shit all the time the dub version.
[38:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So I'm like well, you hear the way they say it, but then I'm like Also, you're hearing all the other words around it.
[38:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, it's hard to tell what the name part is.
[38:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm writing it out.
[38:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't remember what it is.
[38:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The only one's name that I stopped in the pronunciation is urine because I was watching in listening to someone and she kept saying, Jiren, Jiren.
[38:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was like, no, I know I heard it's here.
[38:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, that's gotta be it.
[38:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's the soft J. Yeah.
[38:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So yeah, Miguel says like he was sure attraction from the very beginning, and guys, I just want to point out at the point of our, of your LV.
[39:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Just call it at the point, he comes out, we are 20 minutes into this one hour reunion, they're dedicating this much time to Yasmin, Roel and Miguel, the two people who had left the show early, the three people.
[39:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: and then they broke them back.
[39:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But yeah, 20 minutes in and I was like, okay, that's a lot.
[39:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[39:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So then these two, I think kind of prove our point that Miguel just wanted to be on camera.
[39:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She was like, yeah, I was with him when he got the call to go on a date.
[39:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We asked him in, I was like, how's she?
[39:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And then I think, yes, and it was like, they were like, did you know, which is like, yeah, I knew, I'm like, oh my God, like, you knew he was sitting right next to her when this happened.
[39:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I thought she meant that she knew they were together, um, no, no, no.
[39:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She said she knew later when they said if they were still getting it, not the call.
[39:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay, I'm not the call part.
[39:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I was going to say, my god, brutal, man.
[40:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, she was looking uncomfortable.
[40:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She was very uncomfortable.
[40:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She was like, I was there and she was like, you go ahead.
[40:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Go have fun, go do what you need to do and it's like and it's brutal because for Yasmini feels like the girl is like, I know you're coming back, go ahead and do what she needs to do with that little girl.
[40:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's basically how.
[40:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right.
[40:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Have your little fun.
[40:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[40:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then the host bars cracks her joke to his wife.
[40:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, why have you never said that to me?
[40:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Well, I get to go fuck other people all the time.
[40:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But whoa, Nick would never, and I don't like Nick, but he would not say that to Vanessa.
[40:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He knows better.
[40:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Right.
[40:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So they asked him like, where do you guys stand now?
[40:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Apparently they're still together, but they're seeing how things go.
[40:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know.
[40:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Everybody's so non-committal.
[40:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Everything is so vague and broad.
[40:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, environment is very happy.
[40:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She doesn't care.
[40:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I think maybe that's what's attracted to Miguel.
[40:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think the other women really wanted him.
[40:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And you know, men are weird.
[41:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He's just like, uh, uh, I'm bored.
[41:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But a very just like, yeah, go ahead.
[41:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Go have your fun.
[41:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We'll see how he goes.
[41:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, that's cool too.
[41:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm not sweating now.
[41:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I think that's maybe when he finds attractive.
[41:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That and whatever it is, we're standing.
[41:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right.
[41:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I would feel so unwanted if someone said that to me.
[41:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, you don't care like you just don't give a shit at all.
[41:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Uh, all right.
[41:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, but I also feel like it's disingenuous in that how can you a year later is still not know if you're together and seeing how things go a year after time.
[41:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But they're on there.
[41:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They asked Yasmin if she knew that they were still together and she said she didn't know, but she's like, but that's okay because, you know, we're knit together and he can do what he wants, but I think she couldn't keep it together.
[42:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She says crying again, like this is just, you know, because at the end of the whole thing, you're okay and she's like, no, I'm not.
[42:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is a lot like,
[42:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That will be a shot.
[42:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, my goodness.
[42:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And she was like, yeah, because she asked him a few days ago if there was anything going on and he said, no.
[42:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And Miguel is trying to hide behind the fact that what he said is like, we're not together.
[42:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We're seeing how things go, so that was the truth.
[42:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And like Miguel, you're not an honest person.
[42:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And you're a selfish person.
[42:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You just want to do things the way you want to do things.
[42:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I do think it has to be especially
[42:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: a strong thing for Miguel and
[42:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Alvira is that the attraction, which is the thing that he didn't have with Yasmin and then they didn't bring it up.
[42:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, maybe it was too hurtful, but they didn't bring up that conversation with his best friend, the best guy from Morocco in the alley.
[42:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So they didn't talk about whole conversation and how did she feel and even given that, she still think there was a chance for that, like, you know, something like they were not hot tub and Miguel was basically high-fiving her like he was just the most friendly as thing ever.
[43:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't think it's to mean to be like, hey, roll that footage of him, call it you with a go like that would do her in I think.
[43:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, and she was already overwhelmed by it.
[43:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[43:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was going to that.
[43:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So yeah.
[43:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So she says that and to wrap up their segment, all I got to say is just as full of a well.
[43:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[43:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[43:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, hey, man, in retrospect, Dr. Bullet worked on okay for you.
[43:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That is all I got to say, so, okay, moving on to my new and mark, let me ask you, what were you expecting with these two?
[43:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No.
[43:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No.
[43:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No.
[43:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No.
[43:56] \[UNKNOWN\]: No.
[43:56] \[UNKNOWN\]: No.
[43:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No.
[43:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No.
[43:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No.
[43:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No.
[43:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No.
[44:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: is a volatile figure, and I know he's kind of out of control.
[44:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I know that my new is fairly reasonable.
[44:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: She, I don't know that she connects emotionally sometimes because she laughs it stuff.
[44:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm just like, oh, I'm not a laugh at that.
[44:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's not a great time like laughing his face.
[44:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: She did do that a lot.
[44:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But I didn't think he was gonna be this angry a year later where he's still gonna be like fuming about it.
[44:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It honestly is a theme.
[44:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like the way the emotions came up.
[44:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But again, let's take a page from Belgium, right?
[44:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's like you watch it all over again, and then you remind it, and then the internet and the comments, and so you're just feeling it all over again.
[44:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I just really thought it would have been sorted through.
[44:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You have a new face, getting your heart.
[44:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, it's been all the money on the face transplant, that's the same inside.
[44:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Man, it gets unfair because you need to figure out why you react the way that you react.
[45:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[45:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I don't necessarily even think that she was laughing at his face because I think I might do the same thing.
[45:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think he was just so ridiculous.
[45:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Mm-hmm.
[45:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The way he just wasn't absolutely seeing her point of view or hearing her.
[45:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And that's a point.
[45:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think it's a realization like, why am I even speaking?
[45:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is a waste of time.
[45:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[45:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's kind of her real.
[45:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's very kind of a wire from succession.
[45:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You're not serious people.
[45:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, more is a serious person.
[45:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I can't take you seriously.
[45:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, so they asked why knew how she feels.
[45:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She says it was an interesting choice of words.
[45:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It was confronting to see herself in relation to him.
[45:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I mean, my new is a woo, woo person.
[45:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Is that the word?
[45:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know if she is.
[45:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, she is.
[45:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But Earth's the sky.
[45:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We're all in one accord.
[45:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She loves crystals.
[45:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I guarantee it.
[45:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[45:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So she says like the thing is that she saw potential in him that she believes that he doesn't He was seeing himself and that's why he was being hurtful again.
[46:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She's saying this for the smile So you're like way way And you She's saying it like I'm gonna piss him off wash watch this
[46:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And Mark was like, well, no, we communicated well.
[46:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We talked very well, just not in the same language.
[46:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: How is that communicating well?
[46:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, imagine if someone came to you and I'm speaking to you, like, in French, and you speak about me and English, how are we communicating well?
[46:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We don't understand each other.
[46:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I can look at your face and...
[46:32] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I can guess what you mean, but like, I have no idea.
[46:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I can probably understand your emotion, but I don't know what words you're saying.
[46:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He does say, thank you for everything that he learned a lot from her.
[46:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I am paraphrasing because he went on and on and on.
[46:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, Ladi, this is why I'm like, are you sure?
[46:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's not a thing because they were going on and on.
[46:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And he made her sound like a textbook.
[46:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like I studied you, I read you and you were, what was in the medicine?
[47:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You were less than I had to learn.
[47:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just, I don't know, and it didn't feel right.
[47:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He was saying that.
[47:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And she's like, thank you for saying that.
[47:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I appreciate it.
[47:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just think you're rude though.
[47:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yep.
[47:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Watch on.
[47:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Because he's rude.
[47:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, that's the whole thing.
[47:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He doesn't take into account how the words he says are gonna make somebody else feel.
[47:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He just says whatever he says and it's like, listen, if you choose to be offended by the totally normal and rational thing I just said, that's your problem.
[47:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's like, well, no, man, you said some wild shit.
[47:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, it's like, I need to get it out in my chest.
[47:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, you deal with it how you want to, but I feel free.
[47:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm not burdened anymore, I'm okay.
[47:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I'm not holding back.
[47:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, Mika chimes in and was like yes and you are so harsh with all due respects that was said in English Mika's one of those people who's always like speaking English whenever she can And Mika was like, yeah, with everything that we're saying like the word is on safe.
[48:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I felt unsafe watching your scenes and I wasn't even Yeah, and he said
[48:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I never meant to say hot full things.
[48:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, huh, for someone who never meant to, you kept doing it over and over again.
[48:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Consistent.
[48:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He doesn't recognize himself.
[48:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He seems like a devil and a dick.
[48:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That sounds like a movie.
[48:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right.
[48:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Well, it seems like the be side to that right-of-class song, devil in a certain time, devil in a dick.
[48:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[48:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then, Morella, Morella, Morella, the lady, Kate Middleton, who doesn't say anything?
[48:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Chimes in to say that she doesn't see it that way and despite the rude and harsh things that he said, No, despite.
[48:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Just want to point that out.
[48:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You cannot despite the rude and harsh things he said.
[48:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That is the majority.
[48:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: of the crux of the matter.
[48:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Those are the words that he said.
[48:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like ignore all the things you said and did.
[49:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Here's what really is going on here.
[49:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like what?
[49:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That was what he did.
[49:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like now we're all being too harsh on him.
[49:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And like what she saw was someone that was trying to make your work.
[49:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Then I was just waiting for the announcement.
[49:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because they were sitting together in the couch.
[49:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm like, are they seeing each other?
[49:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like what am I missing here?
[49:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like now you try me?
[49:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You're in trouble, everybody else.
[49:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right.
[49:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Even on the show though, she was just saying.
[49:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, he says Marx is like, he gets that she was feeling like attacked, but the thing is like, she should stay and take it.
[49:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And she's like, wait, wait, wait, you feel like as you're attacking me, I should say that he gets things like she walked away.
[49:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And she's like, because she's trying to defuse the situation.
[49:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like you're yelling at me, I feel unsafe as she said.
[49:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm just walking away and you're following me.
[49:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then he's like, I am not a tyrant.
[49:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And because like, bro, I could hear you from our apartment.
[49:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Now, the walls were thin.
[49:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We heard them having some too, but she's like, I could hear yelling.
[50:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Granted, I didn't know what you were saying, but I could hear you yelling from our apartment.
[50:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm like, and this man goes further to prove their point by saying, I lost my temper.
[50:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Emotions can be part of he's yelling at this point.
[50:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's lost.
[50:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, blew up, blew up over something that wasn't even that serious.
[50:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It wasn't somebody attacked him or someone was like, you know, calling out his name.
[50:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He just got upset that people weren't agreeing with him basically.
[50:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But no one took his side.
[50:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[50:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, he got Merilla.
[50:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So Merilla.
[50:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Now he got Merilla for for these seconds.
[50:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Then he says being condescending.
[50:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: My captions, he starts calling, Mika Honey.
[50:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like Honey, you need to stay out of him.
[50:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Honey, you maybe you need to.
[50:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Big, you don't need to.
[50:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then he keeps saying like,
[50:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: his argument is that yes he was yelling he's not seeing he wasn't yelling he's like yes I was yelling but I was yelling to get my point across uh I was yelling but you have to understand it was okay that I yelled I was right to yell it's like that's not the right to act man that's what Mikko's like so you had to talk to her that way like did it work like what and he just kept yelling some more and was it was it was just insane to mess
[51:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So Nicolette remembers that my new is actually there and I was like, oh, where I knew you're here?
[51:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, did you feel unsafe?
[51:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Again, these questions are dumb to me because there was an actual scene where she said, I feel unsafe.
[51:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So unsafe.
[51:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So lead with, you said you felt unsafe.
[51:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Did that sentiment still stand after watching it?
[51:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Is Mikka glad you feel unsafe?
[51:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh my god.
[51:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm all hosts.
[51:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: My new doesn't say convincingly, I think that was my annoyance.
[51:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She does say yes, but she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you for standing up because she was part of she knew what I was going through, but that is, but she doesn't say we conviction.
[51:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So it feels like meca is just like overstepping and stuff.
[51:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then she's like, no, but he's not a bad person.
[51:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, ugh.
[51:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But he is, he seems like a bad person to me.
[51:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't think he's the worst person in the history of love is blind, but he seems like a bad person.
[52:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just bring shame back.
[52:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He did something bad.
[52:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's fine to shame him and there's always room for growth.
[52:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But if you're saying that that's the who you are and he's saying that he didn't recognize himself but then you're defending what it is that you did.
[52:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm confused.
[52:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Where do you stand?
[52:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: New face who this?
[52:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like what?
[52:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: If this is not who you are, why did you continuously show up this way for the entire show?
[52:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like what?
[52:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What was the disconnect that made you keep on doing this?
[52:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Three times as a pattern.
[52:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, the idiot says remember he called her an idiot.
[52:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think he was over that's so quick.
[52:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He's like, that's He's like that's how I was portrayed.
[52:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was portrayed like I was a bad person and thank you, Mika for confirming it I'm like, oh, Mika's who you think confirmed that.
[52:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[52:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, there's all Mika's fault huh?
[52:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh man, okay, he starts muttering under his breath.
[52:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is not like one word, oh, this isn't saying.
[53:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This was, I mean, he translated, so I don't know what he was saying.
[53:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But he just kept going on and on and on about it.
[53:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then Marilla has come comforting him, like putting her hand.
[53:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I was like, girl, yeah, Marilla, come on, man.
[53:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: stuff.
[53:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So Mark goes on a rant on how it's silly of her to try and portray things this way and that he knows she knows what the truth is that by the time they met in I think was rather than when they met that the whole letter she was reading was an act that it wasn't real, she knew that it was done and then you're in terms in and you're in as a kind of person that annoys me because they want to combine everything.
[53:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He was like, you've both grown.
[53:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Let's focus on the good, and let's know, sir.
[53:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Sometimes, fight, fight, fight.
[53:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, listen, sometimes you gotta get down on the mud and just be in that mud for a minute.
[53:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's not always about being above it all and not letting your emotions run wild.
[53:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Sometimes, let your emotions run wild.
[54:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That what happens, but you can't always suppress everything.
[54:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And what proof do we have that mark is grown?
[54:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, it's telling me that they've both grown and I apparently mark his one of his good friends and I'm like, but okay, if this is him after growing, like how much worse was he on the show, but we did not see.
[54:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Then he goes like, you know, some of the emotions you're seeing today is from the bile that I read on the internet today.
[54:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: People who think that it's okay to say all these things to me.
[54:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm like, well, just be a better person, suggestion, you know, like we watched you, like we didn't force feed this things on you.
[54:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And when she said, don't talk to me, even if you feel it was wrong of her to walk away from you, you walk away.
[54:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She used the word on safe.
[54:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She walked away from you, walk away.
[54:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's fine.
[54:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Then you say she walks away.
[54:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There's two parts.
[54:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Number one, walk away, or if she's saying don't talk to me, respect her boundary and give her space.
[54:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Once she's ready to talk, explain why that doesn't work for you.
[55:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You know, be able to say, listen, I don't like it when you walk away and say, like, don't talk to me because it makes me feel abandoned or like you're done with me or something.
[55:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But don't just, like, no, fuck that I'm talking to you.
[55:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like that's not, that's not gonna make anything better.
[55:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, what Mark does is temper tantrums on his.
[55:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, that's the time.
[55:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He's not getting his way.
[55:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: His frustrated, he wants to get out what he wants to say.
[55:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He doesn't have the...
[55:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The enough adultness and he and to know like, okay, I can table this.
[55:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, there's gonna be people who want to talk things out immediately.
[55:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But if your partner is not the same, you kind of have to tweak it and you have to adjust.
[55:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then it's not like when he gets things out, it's in the most respectful way.
[55:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So it's loose, loose, either way.
[55:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And things on a nice note, and they're like, well, I hope you find someone good, I wish you well.
[55:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And...
[55:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He's like he doesn't want to talk because they were asking him are you seeing anyone or you not and he's like yeah I don't want to talk about him happy.
[56:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, are you dating?
[56:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Are you like I said?
[56:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm happy and that's all that matters and that's what he says with his new vampire Eric Trump face so
[56:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I know this motherfucker is lonely.
[56:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's not been on any dates.
[56:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's no women do that want to be around him.
[56:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Honestly, I was supporting him.
[56:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't, they might be together and he don't want to talk about it.
[56:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I don't doubt that he has no money.
[56:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just never doubt that.
[56:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No matter who the worst man is, there is someone out there that this is true.
[56:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is true.
[56:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's very sweet.
[56:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There's some other for the worst man you ever seen in your life.
[56:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[56:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay, the next couple was Merella and you know, guys, I only have like a few bullet points on these people.
[56:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: There's like nothing was happening.
[56:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, no, shit to say.
[56:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, I saw the Kate Middleton.
[56:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Was he, are you the one who said so?
[56:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, but did someone, oh, I see it that.
[56:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, someone sent that.
[56:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was like the Kate Middleton.
[56:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So yeah, I see it.
[56:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, he said that for him, like it just wasn't there.
[56:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He was missing the feeling of ripping her clothes off.
[57:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And after her defending Mark, I just, I don't care.
[57:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Don't give a shit.
[57:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I know what you're looking for.
[57:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: If you think what Mark did was okay and we're being harsh on him, do you wish that on anyone you love or yourself?
[57:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Do you think that's healthy?
[57:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know?
[57:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I would not let any of my friends be with somebody like this.
[57:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[57:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Her gripe was that he wasn't delicate when he was telling her.
[57:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She said she could have said worse, but she was like, he's like thinking about his feelings when she was saying stuff, but he was just, yeah, I don't want to.
[57:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'd rather do anything else, but play football or hang out with my boys, I'll go to the bar, like even when he was with Buddha at the bar he said, can I go home with you?
[57:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't want to go home to my wife.
[57:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right, which is nuts.
[57:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's the same thing to say, like, can I go home with you?
[57:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I got this battle accent home.
[57:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like, that is terrible to say.
[57:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, he tried to explain it.
[58:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, you know, we'll have left the experiment.
[58:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He was out there.
[58:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He's moved on and removed from the experiment.
[58:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I'm like, doesn't change.
[58:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, what do you think you're selling here?
[58:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Just do, didn't want to go to Hawaii.
[58:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's still sound like shit.
[58:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, it's like, I think you feel better.
[58:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So then she says, what did you bring to the table?
[58:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was like, I got to give you that one.
[58:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Rela, that's true.
[58:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What did he bring?
[58:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: There was nothing.
[58:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But as she was speaking, Mark was not in vigorously.
[58:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So again, it's true.
[58:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Are they together in hiding it?
[58:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know.
[58:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So gross.
[58:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Ha ha.
[58:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay, jazzling and ludo.
[58:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Hmm.
[58:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She said what she saw during their relationship was her fire dying out.
[58:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And that Ludo loves to talk.
[58:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She doesn't want to have a three-hour conversation at 11.
[58:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She just wants to be, she just wants to chill, she wants to focus on what's going well, and he was negative.
[58:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: All they wanted to talk about were their problems.
[59:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I don't know if you know, it's a lot of they like to say we saw the footage.
[59:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We saw the footage.
[59:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They never say like we watched the season.
[59:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We watched the show.
[59:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We watched the show.
[59:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They're like, we've all seen the footage and I'm like, roll them beautiful being footage.
[59:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right.
[59:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: We saw the full 72 hour on edited cut.
[59:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is difficult because I mean during the season, we're like, it's Jasmine just not feeling ludo, which I still stand by.
[59:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just feel like he wasn't because
[59:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I, she wants to focus on what's going well and she feels like he wants to talk about stuff a lot, but it is a rushed time.
[59:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You don't have time to get to know each other and you gotta talk things out.
[59:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: How are you gonna know if you're just going on vibes?
[59:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: truly.
[59:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it's tough for me, um, listening to the dubbed version.
[59:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Because you pointed out before, they seem to use the same voice actors every season.
[59:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[59:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I didn't hear the man with a villain voice.
[59:59] \[SPEAKER_01\]: The woman who did her voice sounds like bored Meredith Marks.
[1:00:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it's like, it's such a distinctive voice.
[1:00:06] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like every time I hear it, I'm like, Oh, God, no.
[1:00:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So it doesn't matter what she says.
[1:00:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's going to be like, she's not interested in this man.
[1:00:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: She's irritated.
[1:00:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: She's going to be around him.
[1:00:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They got to hire somebody else because this voice is, it paints everything that I see on the show.
[1:00:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Maybe that was a choice.
[1:00:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Maybe that's what they were trying to do because the villain man is always the same man.
[1:00:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So maybe he says, Louder was like, I think we had fun and she's like, oh, that's interesting.
[1:00:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I didn't have fun, especially when we were living together, like I have never laughed so little in my life.
[1:00:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was like, wow, um, doesn't came ready to fight or Jasmine did not come in peace, but that's why I'm saying like a year later, and she's moved on, we're going to get there and I'm like, they're still, yeah, I want to see, you know, I didn't
[1:00:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: If there were spoilers, I didn't know she had moved on, but they felt like the emotions were fresh and I'm like, oh, wow, she's like, okay, so the Nicoletto's a good job of asking like give us specifics.
[1:01:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What are the things that, because I was expecting like regular couple stuff as you've seen all season that she's like, get away from me.
[1:01:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And she's like, if we're going to cuddle at 11 p.m.
[1:01:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't want to talk about the cuddle and then to analyze the cuddle.
[1:01:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, no.
[1:01:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So this is where I'm like, I don't know whether it's just like loss and translation.
[1:01:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Clearly they're just incompatible, but it's like, okay, at that point we don't need to analyze a couple.
[1:01:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She's right about that.
[1:01:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But you do need to talk about some stuff, but just like sometimes just be, let it go.
[1:01:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, then the mouse go.
[1:01:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right, enough.
[1:01:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, um, Ludo was saying like, because I think she was like, did you listen to me at all in the show?
[1:01:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And he was like, if I wasn't listening, then why did you suggest getting back after the show was over?
[1:01:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And that's usually the Trump card.
[1:01:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:01:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: The truck part of the man like he wasn't back.
[1:01:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So that load you in back.
[1:02:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And she's like, because on camera and off camera, we're a different.
[1:02:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I just thought, like, outside of the cameras, let's see maybe there'll be something there.
[1:02:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And we'll see what happens.
[1:02:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But it wasn't clear if he said no, or if they tried.
[1:02:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then they filled again.
[1:02:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:02:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: This is where the hosts need to ask a follow up.
[1:02:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, you all try to get back together.
[1:02:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: What happened with that?
[1:02:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Did you guys make it go for a while?
[1:02:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No follow up.
[1:02:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: There was no follow-up because that's when Jasmine switches the goalpost and it's like, well, if you truly tried to accommodate, no, she was like, um, do you think that you truly tried to accommodate me?
[1:02:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And he says massively, yes, I do.
[1:02:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[1:02:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:02:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I sure did.
[1:02:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All things that I could do.
[1:02:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But he said a line that I was really impressed by.
[1:02:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He was like the one thing I did was I failed to disregard my needs, but that doesn't mean like I disregarded yours.
[1:02:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because I think it's saying like I went in my music knowledge and I was just adamant about that, but it doesn't mean I disregarded yours, but you're interpreting it as, I'm trying to make sure I get what I want because you want to get what you want in that you want time alone.
[1:03:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You don't want to be spoken to, you don't want to give me a hug, but I want that.
[1:03:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I'm trying to get that, but it doesn't mean I just regarded that.
[1:03:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So
[1:03:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: she's like this conversation proves that I'm right that you didn't listen to him like don't say it.
[1:03:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know.
[1:03:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I was bored of their fighting at this point.
[1:03:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I was bored.
[1:03:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Do you guys have opposite needs?
[1:03:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And so there's no way for him to, you know, keep his own needs in mind without making you feel like he's disregarding your needs.
[1:03:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like there's not, there's not really a middle ground between I want to talk.
[1:03:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I want silence.
[1:03:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I guess I want to whisper.
[1:03:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then who was it that bread of the bath?
[1:03:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Someone bread of the bath?
[1:03:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, it was the most best.
[1:03:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, but I was like, yeah, like the bath and then they talked about and then they're bad.
[1:03:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's just like, well, what happened before the bath?
[1:03:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like you got mad because I didn't pause the TV and then I paused the TV and you were like, you don't want to that did I want to take a bath and it was like, what are we fighting about the your husband wants to spend time with you and then you want to watch TV then you wanted to prove a point
[1:04:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know, incompatibility is something you can't come back from, you know?
[1:04:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No, complete mess.
[1:04:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[1:04:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think what got to me the most is how taking a back Ludo was, Ludo seemed genuinely shocked.
[1:04:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He kept saying, I can't believe this is happening right now.
[1:04:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, I'm not taking crazy pills like you're so confused by everything.
[1:04:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Miguel is whispered to him, just let it go, man.
[1:04:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like you're not winning.
[1:04:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: There's like, just let it go, and it's fun.
[1:04:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I don't even know where to stand with this.
[1:04:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I hate it when a woman makes me try to see the side of a man because I kind of see when he's coming from, she just really seems not into him.
[1:04:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I just, you know, for her to say like, he didn't try.
[1:04:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I feel like, again, we don't know the behind the scenes, but from what they showed us, the bathroom like he tried.
[1:04:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He did try to like talk out situations.
[1:04:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's hard for me to say, hey, stop trying to talk about the problems we have.
[1:05:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:05:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't want to bad thing that you have someone willing to talk it out.
[1:05:07] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, I think is bad and there's there's a thing that my therapist, and I'm sorry for already brought up on the podcast before.
[1:05:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I think my therapist says that applies to a lot of these shows.
[1:05:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: If you're going to be putting in the effort to make your partner happy, make sure you're putting it in in a way they can receive it.
[1:05:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it's like, well, I did the bath thing.
[1:05:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: She's like, I didn't want that though.
[1:05:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So you're doing a lot of things.
[1:05:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They don't things that I want.
[1:05:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You're not actually giving me what I need.
[1:05:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I appreciate the effort, but you're
[1:05:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I think the thing with both of them is like, there's a lot of him putting an effort, right?
[1:05:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But it's not loving her the way she wants to be loved.
[1:05:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But what is she doing for him?
[1:05:49] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Now, God damn thing.
[1:05:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So there's a lot of rules, like even with her family, right?
[1:05:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Where it's like, don't talk to me when I'm here.
[1:05:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Don't talk to me when I'm this.
[1:05:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't want to talk.
[1:05:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't want to cuddle.
[1:05:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't want to take a bath.
[1:05:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't want to, okay, fine.
[1:06:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But what are you doing on the other side?
[1:06:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Again, on the flip side, nobody needs to talk all the time again and analyze the cuddles.
[1:06:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Nobody needs to do that, but they feel to find a balance.
[1:06:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So even with the paint thing, because his issue then was like, you told me to choose, I chose you said no.
[1:06:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So what do you want me to do?
[1:06:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like not participate?
[1:06:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like she said she was trying to see you as a test, they had just fought before that two days before.
[1:06:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She wasn't even in the house and I'm like, oh man, you guys were doomed.
[1:06:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They always had just fought.
[1:06:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So like there's that there wasn't like, oh, we were really good for three weeks Like no, we always just fought
[1:06:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So yeah, it was a, it was an impasse that was never gonna win.
[1:06:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Ludo was just sitting there just shocked just like, wow, like, what is this?
[1:06:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And Jasmine was like, yeah, I'm here to put my point.
[1:06:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't care what you say.
[1:06:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And they just wanted to move on.
[1:06:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So they're like, thank you for sharing your lives.
[1:06:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And then you go, thanks for coming, YouTube.
[1:07:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We need to wrap this up.
[1:07:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Right.
[1:07:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So then we have the final couple, which was Uran and Mika.
[1:07:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And they went straight to it.
[1:07:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, they just asked him about, you know, his comments in the beginning saying that he has a type and there are certain people he can not date and he says he's very sorry to everyone.
[1:07:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He has offended, especially Mika and he has struggled quite a bit.
[1:07:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is this is what I mean they do things and all I cried every day.
[1:07:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It was so hard for me who did the thing.
[1:07:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:07:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yes, I'm so sorry to have the consequences of my actions.
[1:07:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She supports him.
[1:07:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She says she's sad about how he's being portrayed and him in his family.
[1:07:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She found a way to weave his family into it.
[1:07:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, leave them out of it.
[1:07:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: have always been welcoming to her.
[1:07:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They've always been accepting of her culture.
[1:07:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She's never felt anything but welcome on there that it was a poor choice of words and she understands people's frustration and she just wants to acknowledge that.
[1:08:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, so that was it.
[1:08:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And because the way you're in said it, too, was like, I'm sorry to everyone though, and that's what I'm gonna say about that.
[1:08:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, you don't get to decide that.
[1:08:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No, no.
[1:08:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I've said what I'm going to say, do not ask me about it again.
[1:08:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I will not answer.
[1:08:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's not how this goes, man.
[1:08:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You don't get to say some ignorant shit and then get mad that people are like, so what do you mean when you said that?
[1:08:27] \[SPEAKER_01\]: How do you feel about it now?
[1:08:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Where did that come from?
[1:08:29] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And why did you say that?
[1:08:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You don't get to say like, I've not answered questions about it.
[1:08:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[1:08:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, they keep dragging instead of just asking them if they're still together.
[1:08:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I do talking about their pancakes and stuff.
[1:08:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then they give us the footage.
[1:08:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm like, okay, well, like the UK, if you're giving us footage for the whole year.
[1:08:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What's the mission?
[1:08:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Together, I mean, they're in the same couch.
[1:08:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: His arm is over her.
[1:08:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They've been whispering to each other all day.
[1:08:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But then, meca just starts crying.
[1:08:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This was the thing that we watched that there was a lot of emotions.
[1:09:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think they Netherlands got them beat.
[1:09:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I don't know, I can get them just together, but I don't know any more, but It did not take long.
[1:09:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So yeah, and then you're in too.
[1:09:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He says crying.
[1:09:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They're both crying at it and then they ask our youth together and they're like they're no longer together What happened?
[1:09:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Most of our marriage wasn't happy.
[1:09:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We're emotional because that was the happy times because they showed cute footage.
[1:09:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It was Christmas year
[1:09:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, it's just something she wanted to go.
[1:09:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You was slapping her ass.
[1:09:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's a usual people who love do.
[1:09:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And she says she feels like they didn't know what to do after the experiment, which is a lot of what happens for these relationships.
[1:09:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's like in the bubble, it's great.
[1:09:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You don't have to worry about anything.
[1:09:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then when you come out, it's like the real life, it's like a blizzard.
[1:09:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It just hits you and you're not prepared, you know?
[1:09:47] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yep.
[1:09:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's the honor.
[1:09:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She says she felt like they had different expectations and she felt like he was pulling away.
[1:09:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And he's wondering, watching the video, if they gave up too soon, I'm like, if you felt they gave up too soon, then why did you pull away?
[1:10:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No one asked them why did you pull away?
[1:10:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, what's happening to me?
[1:10:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then they said, oh, yeah, and it seems like he has hope.
[1:10:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, Mika, do you think this hope?
[1:10:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She goes, no, in fact, we stay too long.
[1:10:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm like, yeah, good.
[1:10:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Stand on business.
[1:10:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Thank God.
[1:10:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She left him.
[1:10:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She was like, she had reached her limits and she wasn't having any more.
[1:10:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And that's it.
[1:10:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, uh, Kia'll spill and because like, yeah, I don't want to go through the whole thing.
[1:10:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That it'll just add fuel to the fire.
[1:10:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So that's it.
[1:10:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: If I could throw tomatoes at my screen, I absolutely would have.
[1:10:33] \[SPEAKER_01\]: This isn't saying.
[1:10:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: get some fuel poured on that fire.
[1:10:38] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I know what I want to see from you, and it's not adults, you know, distancing, and I don't want to get back into it.
[1:10:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Get messy, yell at each other.
[1:10:46] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Look at how Mark was acting.
[1:10:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, behave like that at the reunion.
[1:10:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't even need them to yell.
[1:10:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's not that.
[1:10:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But this was the one time we had and had the story.
[1:10:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But yes, tell us what happened.
[1:10:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like at least give us something.
[1:10:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No one's saying, get into the nitty gritty, but give us something.
[1:11:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But to tell us, like, no, I don't want to talk about it.
[1:11:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You had a goddamn reunion in a reality show.
[1:11:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Let me stop putting things in their contracts.
[1:11:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And you need to talk about it.
[1:11:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So one of the street is that hearing was talking to other people, the entire time,
[1:11:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And not black.
[1:11:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's for sure.
[1:11:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Of course not and not fully black at least.
[1:11:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They posted receipts now I don't know if they met up with a person if he met up with a person in person But they were exchanging like DMs snapchat what grown man is doing anyways.
[1:11:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, and think like oh We should go here.
[1:11:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, we should go there.
[1:11:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, we should go there.
[1:11:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So shout out to I think story time we're Ricky That's where I just just giving credit where is and
[1:11:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, she got it from another like the Netherlands shade room version, but she translated it in English, so it's actually translated, so yeah, so he's been talking to people the whole time, and whether or not, especially since we got proof that they were together during Christmas, because that's what the footage, this was a year, there was only one Christmas in the year, and you were talking to this person within that time period, then say you were having inappropriate conversations, whether or not you made up with a person, whether or not something happened, the person said they were talking, you know, before the pods and whatever either way,
[1:12:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: that was inappropriate conversation and for a Mika said he pulled away, they had to be a reason.
[1:12:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Why?
[1:12:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm just, he got off easy.
[1:12:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He got off to you.
[1:12:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He did.
[1:12:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That was true.
[1:12:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I don't know why Mika, I don't know if it's like she's feeling embarrassed that, you know, I gave this man a chance and, you know, men will always embarrass you.
[1:12:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then that happened.
[1:12:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, no, I'm going to go through it.
[1:12:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And I understand my she doesn't want to go through it.
[1:12:44] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I wanted her to go through it because like that would have been so much more satisfying Because I'm just like, oh, I guess they just like didn't work out once the cameras were gone and to know it's like, no, he's out here You know, galavat and all around town like good a bit nice to know about that I shouldn't leave a reunion with more questions Right, that's how I see it.
[1:13:04] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You know, yeah type these emotions
[1:13:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know what, I don't know what Nicolae is hearing.
[1:13:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Nicolae is like, I hear hope.
[1:13:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I said, how, like, Mikka is very clear.
[1:13:15] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Now, go get your hearing checked.
[1:13:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You shouldn't be hearing that.
[1:13:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, Mikka makes it very clear and says, like, I mean, we don't speak.
[1:13:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is the first time we're seeing each other.
[1:13:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So, yeah, since the break-up, this is the first time.
[1:13:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So, no, there's that hope.
[1:13:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No.
[1:13:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then that was it.
[1:13:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then like, well, even though no one stayed together, and this was a failure of a first season, that's my extra.
[1:13:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, love did bloom among two contestants.
[1:13:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, oh, God, you didn't desperate attempt at showing like there was love one way or another.
[1:13:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then they do this long thing of someone walking through a mean by their skin tone, you can tell that it's
[1:13:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's the skin tone in the Meredith Mark's voice that I got on my dubbed version where I'm like, I don't know who that is.
[1:14:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So it's jasslin, it is jasslin and then she knocks on the door and it's open by Rewell.
[1:14:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So jazzing and Rewell are together.
[1:14:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They're now a couple.
[1:14:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, I'm going to put it away.
[1:14:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They look like siblings, but it is what it is.
[1:14:16] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You know, they're she also a serenemies.
[1:14:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She's um, we just somebody else was.
[1:14:22] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I thought.
[1:14:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It might have been some way from the pause.
[1:14:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It didn't make it all the way through.
[1:14:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: There was somebody else that I thought was to be sure.
[1:14:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I didn't say that.
[1:14:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, I didn't mention it because I'm not sure because we met her stepfather and the stepfather, he was white.
[1:14:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But that was the stepfather.
[1:14:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I just assumed that her dad was white too.
[1:14:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because she looks very short.
[1:14:42] \[SPEAKER_01\]: She does, yeah.
[1:14:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[1:14:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But either way, she enrolled just look like they're in the same.
[1:14:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: They do.
[1:14:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Palette, family, whichever way.
[1:14:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It just, I just assume, pretty off of both of y'all.
[1:14:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: on there.
[1:14:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: How did this come about?
[1:14:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You all remember that family trip in Thailand that they invited Ludo to already?
[1:15:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, they did go on that trip.
[1:15:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And somehow, again, I still feel like the story is not complete, there's still holes.
[1:15:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Somehow, Rua was in Bali.
[1:15:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: How are they in conversation?
[1:15:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: How did you know that they were in Bali because you had to have been in communication in some way.
[1:15:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then,
[1:15:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They think that it's like a date because she's going in and I can see how they pulled this off because oh, we need to film something for the show, there's a million candles over there and all that.
[1:15:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then he says, like, she thinks that this is a romantic date, but she doesn't know what it's going to be and I'm like, well,
[1:15:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: one guess.
[1:15:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No, I don't.
[1:15:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then he proposes, I don't know.
[1:15:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It didn't seem so strange because coming from love is blind to Miguel and Yasmin.
[1:15:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Eight months at this point, that's five years.
[1:15:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know?
[1:15:50] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, there'll be an old married couple now.
[1:15:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, so everyone is like, oh, and then they were excited and then they were like, Ludo, did you know about this?
[1:15:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm glad that Ludo did know about this.
[1:16:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So at least Did they ask them if they were told by either of them?
[1:16:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No.
[1:16:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Did they ask, you know, anything about if Jasmine told Ludo or if Rewell told Ludo?
[1:16:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No.
[1:16:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, you know, who are you to get information?
[1:16:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You're just a viewer, you know?
[1:16:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yep.
[1:16:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, um, Mark says tearing up.
[1:16:23] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, it's weird.
[1:16:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's weird.
[1:16:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm not sure what that was about if okay.
[1:16:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Let's assume this is not a Dutch thing and this is just this group of people.
[1:16:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: If I was around them, I would be so immune to their tears because nothing wrong with crying.
[1:16:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm not saying it isn't it's just that it just happens so.
[1:16:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: often and randomly at the like the whole time he was mad or anything or whatever he didn't but then little things and they cry and then I'm like I don't I don't know what to it's so weird especially from Mark you know I don't know what to do with that I don't say I'm an easy cryer I don't often like cry in front of my friends not because I'm just like guarded but because like there's a lot of emotional things that have happened in front of my friends if I was like falling to pieces
[1:17:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: once twice a week, they'd be like, yeah, that's just how he is.
[1:17:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like it's not, don't take it seriously.
[1:17:13] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Like he does this all the time.
[1:17:14] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So it just wouldn't have the most lived acting anymore.
[1:17:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, but you couldn't stop crying.
[1:17:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then they gave him focus.
[1:17:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm like, we're talking about their engagement.
[1:17:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Why are we making this about Mark?
[1:17:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This man just yelled at a woman a couple of minutes ago.
[1:17:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like move on.
[1:17:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Cut this down.
[1:17:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Get him out of here.
[1:17:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, you're trying to make him like, oh, you're a softie.
[1:17:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I was like, we are not doing rehabilitation here, okay?
[1:17:34] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Absolutely not.
[1:17:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, they suddenly decide to share a compilation of their dates, Brian, I just feel like in the last year in reality TV, we're getting way too much of how the sausage is being made and I don't like it.
[1:17:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's not like we don't know, but you just know like you just reminded any of face that this is a heavily edited show.
[1:17:56] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Uh-huh.
[1:17:57] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's the same way that, like, I used to watch wrestling a lot when I was in high school and they had like, um, WWF, like tough enough where it's like a reality show about trying to become a wrestler and like, oh, well, I don't want to see you explain how you fake everything.
[1:18:10] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:18:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's not that interesting to me at that point.
[1:18:12] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You've ruined the the mystique.
[1:18:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[1:18:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because all I'm thinking after watching all of your dates, how did we end up with Ludo and Yasmin?
[1:18:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yep, like even when he broke up with her, he was in tears, I mean, again, it's not a thing for them, but he wasn't here's in the confessional, like I think I'm gonna mistake, I don't know what I've done and I'm like, I did not get a wave of that confessional, that, you know, connection and even worse, we gonna bounce a bar and it wasn't even a story like, hey, how does it feel to see Jasmine and I'm like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh
[1:18:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: like I told least to like her or I told least to like him.
[1:18:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: She was all up in Ludo.
[1:18:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I what what?
[1:18:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah, they did the editing editing fucked us here because it would have been nice to have that.
[1:18:58] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You love that on this show where it's like, oh, you're looking forward to seeing this person.
[1:19:02] \[SPEAKER_01\]: How are you going to act?
[1:19:03] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Are you going to be able to control yourself in front of your your fiance when you see his hot person you like Like we didn't get any of that.
[1:19:08] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I would have loved to see that play out.
[1:19:11] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Especially when you're considering how Zanzibar went for him.
[1:19:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, one could argue that the editing went great.
[1:19:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It was that great.
[1:19:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We had no idea.
[1:19:18] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's true.
[1:19:19] \[SPEAKER_01\]: That's true.
[1:19:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It was great for them.
[1:19:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I feel short-changed.
[1:19:24] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:19:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then even more, I know Jasmine and Mika are friends.
[1:19:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What does Mika think about all of this?
[1:19:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Because she thought, oh, yes, and in home, Miguel, whatever, what they did to Role was fucked up.
[1:19:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, not that I think is bad.
[1:19:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think things were removed.
[1:19:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think they went about it the right way, what they were done.
[1:19:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I just wanted to know how they rekindled things back, how soon after, was she pulling a Yasmin and Miguel, when she was with Ludo, was Role at the back of her mind?
[1:19:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Oh, how about Role?
[1:19:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:19:52] \[SPEAKER_01\]: You know, yeah.
[1:19:53] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All the time, something, give me something.
[1:19:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We could have got that.
[1:19:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then,
[1:19:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm going to end it up with like Marcus forever on my shit list because this man says going on about I already said that they were great like I connected with because we did some some dates with Mark and Jasmine and they did get along and he was like I told him that he would get along with her and this is when he was mentioning that he had a hard time in the pods.
[1:20:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: the day he broke up and went with Yasmin and he thought the guys were against him and it was just a really tough day.
[1:20:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But that market told him that he would get along with Jasmine and that he thought she was great, but she's not my type.
[1:20:30] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:20:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, I got eyes on these people because I'm asking many things and said, so I'm like, what a butter is not your type.
[1:20:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: He's specific.
[1:20:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Yeah.
[1:20:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[1:20:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[1:20:45] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Uh-huh.
[1:20:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So, I know what they did.
[1:20:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's how I ended, I think they said season two and I'm like, wow, that must be nice to be average and get a renewal.
[1:20:54] \[SPEAKER_01\]: But um, this point starts after you're one of the show for nine years.
[1:20:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What's that mean?
[1:20:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's been 84 years.
[1:21:01] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's been 84 years.
[1:21:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They're doing a slower rollout.
[1:21:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They're announcing who the hosts are.
[1:21:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know.
[1:21:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know.
[1:21:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You guys, like, I'm just wanting this, I don't want you to put it down, but yeah, I didn't mess.
[1:21:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Uh, but anyways, I don't know if you guys know, but love is blind.
[1:21:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: How BB's next.
[1:21:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm a little bit excited because Brian has never watched it.
[1:21:20] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'd not watch the BB.
[1:21:21] \[SPEAKER_01\]: The first season came out and I was just like, in my mind, I'm like, you can't do the whole Middle East.
[1:21:26] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's too big.
[1:21:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And just like, what do you mean you're from, you know, Tehran?
[1:21:31] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And this other person's working your way.
[1:21:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's all good.
[1:21:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Bye.
[1:21:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Big.
[1:21:35] \[SPEAKER_01\]: All right.
[1:21:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I mean, I'll watch it.
[1:21:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I, you know, I'll watch anything.
[1:21:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I'm trash.
[1:21:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So I'll watch real quick out.
[1:21:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, I hope they do tweaks, but I didn't particularly like in my ranking of it, Dubai does not rank high.
[1:21:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, a lot of people love Dubai.
[1:21:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They were like, everyone should have this and I was like, no, they don't live together.
[1:21:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: A lot of them, their parents are not in Dubai.
[1:21:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: They're like overseas and they like, they need the blessing of their parents.
[1:22:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And they're not going to say yes without it, then why sign up?
[1:22:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's it's just all interesting.
[1:22:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So at the getaway, of course, they're not in the same room for religious reasons, so they meet up with each other every day.
[1:22:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's still there, but the misogyny was very strong.
[1:22:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So yeah, I also figured there'd be some of that sprinkle on top.
[1:22:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, I just feel like there's a lot of restrictions, but we'll see what happens this season too.
[1:22:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I'm excited to see if they make any tweaks in that, but that is the end of our Netherlands journey.
[1:22:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I don't know any last thoughts.
[1:22:36] \[SPEAKER_01\]: No, man.
[1:22:37] \[SPEAKER_01\]: This was, this was mid.
[1:22:39] \[SPEAKER_01\]: This was all incredibly average.
[1:22:41] \[SPEAKER_01\]: And it, it's insulting to find out there was good juicy drama that we didn't find out about until after it was already over.
[1:22:48] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So like, learn from your mistakes, Netherlands.
[1:22:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Good.
[1:22:51] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Next time.
[1:22:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: All right.
[1:22:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So well, thank you for going through the season with me, Brian Kee, sure people way they can find you.
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