# Proxy Wars, Part 1: War Through Local Agents in Africa

An episode of [Irregular Warfare Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1514636385), 31 Jul 2020, 55 min.

Audio: https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/qcqwct/5de8282033baf4-72953531_Hicks-Berman-IWP.mp3

In this episode of the Irregular Warfare Podcast, Kyle Atwell and Shawna Sinnott discuss proxy and partner warfare in Africa with retired Maj. Gen. Marcus Hicks and Dr. Eli Berman. Eli and Mark discuss the objectives of proxy and partner warfare, the tools available to influence local agents, and whether the United States should increase or decrease its military and diplomatic footprint across Africa in an era of renewed great-power competition. The episode is the first in a two-part series on proxies and irregular warfare. Intro music: "Unsilenced" by Ketsa Outro music: "Launch" by Ketsa CC BY-NC-ND 4.0

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