# Proxy Wars, Part 2: Opportunity and Risk in the Middle East

An episode of [Irregular Warfare Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1514636385), 14 Aug 2020, 42 min.

Audio: https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/4yih3x/5de8282033baf4-72953531_Crocker-Berman.mp3

In this episode of the Irregular Warfare Podcast, Shawna Sinnott and Kyle Atwell discuss the history and context of proxy and partner warfare in the Middle East with Ambassador Ryan Crocker and Dr. Eli Berman. This is the second of a two-part discussion on fighting irregular warfare through proxy forces. Intro music: "Unsilenced" by Ketsa Outro music: "Launch" by Ketsa CC BY-NC-ND 4.0

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