# \[PREVIEW\] Catherine Liu & Freddie deBoer | DD 1.5

An episode of [Doomscroll with Joshua Citarella](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1513817688), 15 Jun 2026, 14 min.

Audio: https://c10.patreonusercontent.com/4/patreon-media/p/media/675220754/4813448b58784d5997d9e316900d7027/eyJhIjoxLCJpc19hdWRpbyI6MSwicCI6MX0%3D/1.mp3?token-hash=LSSskXe4GqULTxvrEPlmNQnS6Goysa3y57IhkPqouLs%3D&token-time=1794009600

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