# Episode 39: Holding the Line

An episode of [EJIL: The Podcast!](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1508367340), 14 Nov 2025, 47 min.

Audio: https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/05b1e5ca-4ed1-4b35-b51f-9254bfe1b60d.mp3

In this episode, Philippa Webb and Marko Milanovic are joined by Nicolas Angelet and Oona Hathaway to discuss the legality of the US strikes against suspected drug boats in the Caribbean and the additional threats made by the United States against Venezuela, which include a possible land invasion. The hosts and their guests then turn to the recent UNRWA advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice, discussing some of the interesting questions that it raises, including the inviolability of UN premises during armed conflict. In doing so, they also reflect on the downward spiral of the international legal order.

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