# “Not all killers are evil”: Chris Blake Pt.2

An episode of [I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1506667049), 24 Nov 2025, 1 h 01 min.

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Why did a killer enter a window? Where did the killer bury a body? How did they kill the victim? Chris Blake asks these questions every day when he gets inside the minds of murderers at the Behavioural Science Unit in New Zealand. Working with a team of psychologists, Chris shares how they solve crimes, why empathy might just be a detective’s most powerful weapon and why he believes not every killer is evil. Discover more about Chris Blake’s book, Softly Calls The Devil, here. Want to hear more from I Catch Killers? Visit news.com.au. Watch episodes of I Catch Killers on our YouTube channel here. Like the show? Get more at icatchkillers.com.au Advertising enquiries: newspodcastssold@news.com.au Questions for Gary: icatchkillers@news.com.au Get in touch with the show by joining our Facebook group, and visiting us on Instagram or Tiktok. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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