# Episode 4

An episode of [Ice & Spice: The Det 485 Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1506518438), 19 Apr 2020, 17 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/14757448/podcast/play/12643889/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2020-3-19%2F65914894-44100-2-f3f9a7a64d8ea.m4a

Ice and Spice are joined by the Det 485 Morale Welfare, and Readiness officer; C/2d Lt Alan Groisman.

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