# Ally Maki Disobeys Bridger

An episode of [I Said No Gifts! A comedy interview podcast with Bridger Winegar](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1499562159), 27 Jul 2023, 1 h 05 min.

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Bridger shows immense kindness despite Ally Maki (The Big Door Prize, Toy Story 4) arriving with an unwanted gift. The two discuss crafting, how long it should take an adult to finish a puzzle, and John Cougar Mellencamp. Don't forget to review the podcast, it's the least you can do. Follow the show on Instagram I Said No Gifts! Merch Send a Question to I Said No Emails! This episode was recorded before the SAG-AFTRA strike. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:09] Speaker 1: But I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.
[0:17] Speaker 2: But you're a guest in my home.
[0:21] Speaker 1: You gotta come to me empty, And I said, no guests,
[0:27] Speaker 1: you're our presences. Presents enough. I already had too much stuff,
[0:35] Speaker 1: So how did you dare to surbey me?
[0:48] Speaker 2: Welcome to, I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wineger. I
[0:54] Speaker 2: hope I'm reaching you at a good time. I hope
[0:56] Speaker 2: this is an okay time for both of us. The
[0:59] Speaker 2: podcast continue whether I like it or not. Whether you
[1:02] Speaker 2: like it or not, you can pause it, you can
[1:03] Speaker 2: do whatever you want. This is your first time listening
[1:06] Speaker 2: to the show. Good luck following along. I feel like
[1:09] Speaker 2: I've already lost everyone. I'm reporting live from a new haircut,
[1:14] Speaker 2: so I'm just all over the place. What else is happening.
[1:19] Speaker 2: We're not going to get into what the other things
[1:21] Speaker 2: I've seen today. Let's get into the podcast. Today's guest
[1:24] Speaker 2: is absolutely incredible. It's Ali Machy Ali. Welcome to. I said,
[1:28] Speaker 2: no gifts.
[1:29] Speaker 3: Hello, thank you for saying my name right.
[1:32] Speaker 2: What do people usually do? Mackie Mackie, Mackie feels so
[1:36] Speaker 2: feels very Midwest?
[1:37] Speaker 3: Thank you?
[1:38] Speaker 4: Yes, you're right about that. I would also think Mackie
[1:41] Speaker 4: would be m A c K.
[1:43] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's or like rhyming with tacky. The Midwest isn't tacky,
[1:48] Speaker 2: but saying Mackie does sound a little tacky.
[1:51] Speaker 4: I mean everyone says MACKI, So the fact that you
[1:54] Speaker 4: said maki you already get a.
[1:56] Speaker 2: Gold star as not a fun vowel ah ah.
[2:02] Speaker 3: It doesn't feel great.
[2:03] Speaker 2: Right and weirdly though, I frequently do go with an app,
[2:08] Speaker 2: like I say Nevada, I say Colorado. Uh right, But
[2:13] Speaker 2: I feel like the smart default when you don't know
[2:15] Speaker 2: how to pronounce a word is go with the The
[2:17] Speaker 2: other one sounds certainly classier. Oh yes, mocky, yeah exactly.
[2:23] Speaker 2: That's like when someone says Halloween. You know they're really
[2:25] Speaker 2: coming from a fancy place.
[2:27] Speaker 4: You're right about that, You are correct, you seem very fancy.
[2:31] Speaker 2: Ah. Well, I'm glad I've tricked somebody, finally fooled someone. No,
[2:37] Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm trash. I'm essentially trash.
[2:41] Speaker 3: How dare you?
[2:42] Speaker 4: You can't just call yourself trash? You know the cover
[2:46] Speaker 4: photo of your Spotify.
[2:48] Speaker 2: You know of the podcast.
[2:50] Speaker 4: You look so fancy, like I would want to have
[2:55] Speaker 4: drinks with you.
[2:55] Speaker 3: In a in an old timy mansion.
[2:58] Speaker 2: Oh my god, it wonderful.
[3:00] Speaker 3: Okay, let's do it.
[3:01] Speaker 2: I mean, we'll put it on the calendar. I have
[3:04] Speaker 2: to find a mansion, but I mean that can be done.
[3:07] Speaker 3: But like old timing, maybe an escape.
[3:09] Speaker 2: Room and having a drink in an escape room that
[3:11] Speaker 2: feels dangerous.
[3:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. It's so fun.
[3:13] Speaker 2: It feels like that should happen in an escape room
[3:15] Speaker 2: bar where you're getting progressively more drunk and it becomes
[3:18] Speaker 2: more difficult.
[3:19] Speaker 3: Yes, why is anyone on this?
[3:21] Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean this podcast, the ideas that
[3:24] Speaker 2: come out of this, Like if listeners are taking advantage,
[3:26] Speaker 2: they're making a lot of money off of my business concept.
[3:29] Speaker 3: That's true.
[3:29] Speaker 4: You probably have a lot of great business concept. I
[3:32] Speaker 4: can feel that in you.
[3:34] Speaker 2: I try to plant these seeds and then when someone
[3:36] Speaker 2: takes them, I immediately launch into a lawsuit, so I
[3:39] Speaker 2: don't have to do the work, but I get the money.
[3:42] Speaker 4: You know, it's like ip theft. Essentrally, you're a businessman.
[3:47] Speaker 4: I respect it.
[3:48] Speaker 2: That's something everybody knows about me. How's life? What's the new?
[3:52] Speaker 2: It's eighty nine degrees ninety degrees right now?
[3:55] Speaker 4: It's hot, and I am or I already run hot
[4:00] Speaker 4: as a person, So even just the faintest sunlight and
[4:05] Speaker 4: I'm going to be balmy and a little bit anxious.
[4:08] Speaker 4: So I carry around I'm drinking. I'm a big beverage person. Okay,
[4:14] Speaker 4: So I have my ice water here that you've so
[4:16] Speaker 4: kindly brought me. And people are always confused about this.
[4:19] Speaker 2: I want to talk about this. I've never tried this string.
[4:21] Speaker 3: It's called Zva or maybe it's Xeviah. I don't you know.
[4:25] Speaker 3: We want to go fancy. It's a zero calorie soda,
[4:29] Speaker 3: all right, So because I'm addicted to diet.
[4:31] Speaker 2: Coke, Oh my god, you're talking to the right person. Really,
[4:34] Speaker 2: I've I've I have cancer. I'm gonna. I mean, it's
[4:37] Speaker 2: it's coming for me.
[4:38] Speaker 3: But I watched this documentary. Is Aspartame really bad? Or
[4:43] Speaker 3: is it a myth?
[4:44] Speaker 2: I mean it does seem like a myth. But I
[4:46] Speaker 2: even though that it's it's a myth. I've had enough
[4:48] Speaker 2: diet coke for it to be a problem. Anyway.
[4:50] Speaker 3: Oh me too. But with the lime, I'm sorry. With
[4:54] Speaker 3: a lemon, Oh you like a lemon?
[4:55] Speaker 2: I like a lime, although I think it's placebo what
[4:59] Speaker 2: do you mean? I mean, I don't think limes and
[5:01] Speaker 2: lemons have that big of a taste.
[5:02] Speaker 4: Difference, really, right, are you sure taste buds are working.
[5:06] Speaker 3: I think it's a very different tastes.
[5:08] Speaker 2: They're kind of interchangeable.
[5:10] Speaker 4: Well, they're definitely both citrus, that's for sure, right, But
[5:14] Speaker 4: lemon feels more bright, interesting, and lime feels like that
[5:18] Speaker 4: it's like dark enemy or something.
[5:22] Speaker 2: You're describing colors out, Yeah, exactly.
[5:24] Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm talking about.
[5:25] Speaker 2: I would say limes are a fruitier if I were
[5:29] Speaker 2: to say it's the taste wise, like if there was a.
[5:31] Speaker 4: Taste, okay, okay, And obviously I'm preferring a lime in
[5:34] Speaker 4: the drink. You love lime, you love a lemon. But
[5:37] Speaker 4: back to cia.
[5:39] Speaker 3: Zeba, this was to help combat my diet coke. Like,
[5:43] Speaker 3: what's funny is I.
[5:44] Speaker 4: Do all these you know, we're all doing all this
[5:46] Speaker 4: stuff on zoom And a couple of times people have said,
[5:49] Speaker 4: are you drinking a beer because it's in this blue can.
[5:52] Speaker 4: It looks like I'm drinking like a michelob ultra or something,
[5:55] Speaker 4: and I was like, no, I'm not.
[5:56] Speaker 3: I'm not just drinking my way through this business. Meeting.
[6:00] Speaker 2: I think if you're on zoom, you're absolutely allowed to
[6:02] Speaker 2: just get hammered. I agree you should. You should start
[6:06] Speaker 2: the meeting at least medium drunk.
[6:08] Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think most people that are
[6:10] Speaker 3: having the.
[6:10] Speaker 2: Mug oh yeah, there's some something swishing around in those mugs.
[6:14] Speaker 3: Definitely.
[6:15] Speaker 2: What's the flavor of the Zvia blue confuses me? I can't.
[6:18] Speaker 2: I could never tell you. I would say, like vanilla.
[6:20] Speaker 4: Well, they do have all kinds of flavors, but this
[6:23] Speaker 4: is just cola cola, It's just cola, and it's it's fine.
[6:31] Speaker 3: Here we go, you know, it's totally fine.
[6:33] Speaker 2: What's the difference between that and diet coke? Like, why
[6:36] Speaker 2: would you take this over a diet coke?
[6:37] Speaker 4: Well, this has Stevias aspartame, and are there any Coke
[6:42] Speaker 4: products with Stevia?
[6:43] Speaker 2: I feel like there was something to work for Coke now,
[6:46] Speaker 2: and this is a pepsi podcast, so we're gonna blur
[6:49] Speaker 2: or you know, I guess the audio version of blurring
[6:51] Speaker 2: out the word coke every time you say.
[6:55] Speaker 1: No.
[6:56] Speaker 2: I feel like Coke did try Stevia at one point
[6:58] Speaker 2: and it must have been too expense for them or something.
[7:00] Speaker 2: On a lisas nodding their head.
[7:02] Speaker 3: Yes, it was Coca Cola Life. It had the green table. Yeah,
[7:06] Speaker 3: and it was made.
[7:07] Speaker 4: With cevia and some sugar like fact, oh, interesting, it
[7:11] Speaker 4: was a mix.
[7:11] Speaker 3: It was a blend.
[7:12] Speaker 2: See. So that's the problem because people when they drink
[7:14] Speaker 2: a diet soda do not want a single calorie. So
[7:17] Speaker 2: when there are some calories like, well, why am I right?
[7:19] Speaker 2: I'll just have the real or the diet exactly. Middle
[7:22] Speaker 2: ground doesn't exist for diet.
[7:24] Speaker 3: So well, there's no gray area when we're talking about soda.
[7:27] Speaker 2: And calling it life. I mean, it's it's like, what
[7:29] Speaker 2: does this say about the rest of your beverage line?
[7:33] Speaker 3: It's not right? I do you call soda soda or pop?
[7:39] Speaker 2: This is this is actually well I'm going to say
[7:42] Speaker 2: this is interesting and people are gonna be like, that's
[7:43] Speaker 2: deeply uninteresting. But this is what I'm from Utah. From
[7:47] Speaker 2: when I was a kid until I was probably fourteen,
[7:51] Speaker 2: everyone said pop and then there was kind of a
[7:54] Speaker 2: shift to soda. People started saying soda. I don't know
[7:59] Speaker 2: if it was the Internet influencing people or want and
[8:02] Speaker 2: people probably still say pop there, but you hear soda
[8:05] Speaker 2: a lot more often. What do you say, well, I.
[8:08] Speaker 4: You just said something that made me think is exactly
[8:11] Speaker 4: the same, because I do remember.
[8:13] Speaker 3: I think this is why.
[8:13] Speaker 4: I'm having a crisis about it, because when people ask
[8:16] Speaker 4: me that, I'm like, well, I could have sworn at
[8:18] Speaker 4: one point I was only saying pop and then it
[8:20] Speaker 4: moved over to soda.
[8:21] Speaker 3: So maybe it was just this whole right.
[8:24] Speaker 2: There must have been some like.
[8:25] Speaker 3: Pop shitt in the culture, right, Yeah.
[8:28] Speaker 2: Somebody wanted all of us saying soda because when you say,
[8:31] Speaker 2: when I say pop, now, I feel very small town.
[8:35] Speaker 4: Yes, I am like Riverdale. It's giving Riverdale, right.
[8:38] Speaker 2: They're a white fences. Although Riverdale, I've recently heard they
[8:42] Speaker 2: all have superpowers or something, so I don't know that
[8:44] Speaker 2: that's oh do they? I mean this is the rumor mill.
[8:47] Speaker 2: I don't know that it's a rumor mill. I think
[8:48] Speaker 2: it's a fact that someone told me that.
[8:50] Speaker 4: So confused because that would mean like Juughhead and Archie,
[8:53] Speaker 4: they all have powers.
[8:54] Speaker 2: I guess, unexplainable.
[8:57] Speaker 3: I don't like this.
[8:58] Speaker 2: I don't like it's well to me that it feels
[9:00] Speaker 2: like that show has now been going for about forty years,
[9:03] Speaker 2: but I think it's started in probably twenty seventeen. Really, well,
[9:07] Speaker 2: you're asking.
[9:08] Speaker 3: You would know better than me. I think I don't
[9:11] Speaker 3: know why.
[9:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that I've ever seen an episode.
[9:15] Speaker 2: I've seen little clips, and I just I picture Neon.
[9:19] Speaker 2: I picture hot teens, although they're obviously played by thirty
[9:23] Speaker 2: five year olds. Yes, and they're in various dramas, and
[9:27] Speaker 2: I apparently know superpowers.
[9:29] Speaker 4: You know, when I was fifteen or sixteen, well the
[9:33] Speaker 4: tween to young adult, it was my dream to be
[9:36] Speaker 4: in a CW. I think it was everyone's dream at
[9:38] Speaker 4: that time if you were kind of auditioning, was to
[9:41] Speaker 4: be on a CW show.
[9:44] Speaker 2: Is there a CW show you would have loved to
[9:45] Speaker 2: be on.
[9:46] Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, Oh, well, probably The Vampire Diaries.
[9:50] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, or sure, that feels sexy and exciting.
[9:54] Speaker 3: It was very exciting.
[9:55] Speaker 4: I auditioned for one of the main characters. I don't
[9:59] Speaker 4: remember or which one. I was very sad, you know,
[10:02] Speaker 4: all all that stuff, and then they kept bringing me
[10:04] Speaker 4: back for other roles, and I was like, one day
[10:06] Speaker 4: I'll be a vampire.
[10:07] Speaker 3: And then they never cast me.
[10:09] Speaker 2: A shame. They're lost. You're right, there's a reason that
[10:13] Speaker 2: show is not on the air anymore. If it's not
[10:15] Speaker 2: on the air anymore, I assume it's not on the
[10:16] Speaker 2: air anymore.
[10:17] Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
[10:17] Speaker 4: If it was still in the air, that would be incredible,
[10:21] Speaker 4: that would be amazing.
[10:22] Speaker 2: But it was kind of a soap opera, right, And
[10:24] Speaker 2: I feel like soap operas have legs for days because
[10:27] Speaker 2: you know, they they just they can do whatever they
[10:30] Speaker 2: want with the storyline. Nobody cares. Right now, this wild
[10:34] Speaker 2: thing's happening and this person. Yeah, like we've got a
[10:36] Speaker 2: whole new person. But what I have to.
[10:38] Speaker 4: Say about soap opera actors is I have such respect
[10:41] Speaker 4: because I've heard.
[10:43] Speaker 3: That, like if you're on days of your days of
[10:45] Speaker 3: your lives, days.
[10:46] Speaker 2: Of our lives, that might be the sequel days of
[10:48] Speaker 2: your life. It's kind of an interactive series.
[10:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, you can choose the way you want the people
[10:53] Speaker 3: to go. I've heard that.
[10:55] Speaker 4: I've heard I have no you know idea this is
[10:58] Speaker 4: true or not that you go and you have to
[11:00] Speaker 4: do you have.
[11:01] Speaker 3: To learn like forty pages a day or something like that.
[11:03] Speaker 2: Because it's basically you're doing a live play, right that
[11:06] Speaker 2: hasn't been done until that day, Right, So.
[11:08] Speaker 4: Maybe I should go do it just to get better
[11:11] Speaker 4: at memorization.
[11:12] Speaker 2: Oh, that would crush me totally. That is so much memorization,
[11:16] Speaker 2: so much, and then to be immediately performing it in
[11:18] Speaker 2: front of a camera, right, I mean, I'm not going
[11:22] Speaker 2: to say anything else about soap opera.
[11:24] Speaker 3: That's for your other soap opera podcasts. You're rewatching.
[11:29] Speaker 2: Tune into my soap Opera Patreon. It's fifty dollars a
[11:33] Speaker 2: month and I talk NonStop soaps. No I called Days
[11:36] Speaker 2: of your Life. That's actually good. Maybe I'm going to
[11:40] Speaker 2: look into that. That could be a big money maker
[11:42] Speaker 2: for me. If you're I'm looking for a co host.
[11:44] Speaker 2: If you have any interest, I'm in. How did we
[11:47] Speaker 2: get to Oh, so you've been acting for quite a
[11:50] Speaker 2: while then, yeah, as you were a kid.
[11:53] Speaker 4: Yes, I grew up in Seattle and I started doing
[11:56] Speaker 4: musical theater when I was six or seven years old.
[11:58] Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, it was your first musical.
[12:01] Speaker 4: It was called Them. I just know it right away.
[12:03] Speaker 4: The magical Story Circus. This is up my alley, and
[12:07] Speaker 4: I played a circus troop member.
[12:10] Speaker 3: But this was okay.
[12:12] Speaker 4: This is actually a whole traumatic thing for me because
[12:15] Speaker 4: I was actually cast as one of the lead roles okay,
[12:20] Speaker 4: which was very you know exciting. Is my first time
[12:22] Speaker 4: ever doing this, and you know, who would have thought
[12:24] Speaker 4: because I was very shy.
[12:25] Speaker 3: So my mom was like, what how did you get
[12:27] Speaker 3: the lead role? This is so exciting? And the lead
[12:30] Speaker 3: role they didn't have a name. It was just Asian princess.
[12:34] Speaker 2: That was the lead role was Asian Princess. Yeah.
[12:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a lot of thought put into this
[12:39] Speaker 3: show totally. And there was also the Asian Prince.
[12:42] Speaker 4: Okay, so I you know, I'm like six or seven,
[12:44] Speaker 4: I don't want to say, I don't know exactly six
[12:48] Speaker 4: between six and seven, and you had to kiss.
[12:51] Speaker 3: The Asian princess had to kiss the Asian Prince?
[12:53] Speaker 2: Oh what is? And I was like, who is behind
[12:56] Speaker 2: this play?
[12:56] Speaker 3: What feels wrong? Right?
[12:59] Speaker 4: And so I remember just being there at the you know, rehearsal,
[13:03] Speaker 4: and I just was like, I'm in this, you know,
[13:06] Speaker 4: Asian garb.
[13:07] Speaker 3: It wasn't really any sort of actual like a catch.
[13:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just.
[13:12] Speaker 4: Like let's put something together, right, And then I'm with
[13:16] Speaker 4: the Asian Prince was.
[13:18] Speaker 3: Not Asian.
[13:21] Speaker 2: A white guy?
[13:21] Speaker 3: It definitely, yes, it did. And how do they explain that?
[13:26] Speaker 4: Right? I mean, this is a long time ago, but
[13:29] Speaker 4: still something in my six year old brain was like,
[13:32] Speaker 4: this doesn't feel right for so many reasons that I'll
[13:35] Speaker 4: never be able to explain until maybe I'm thirty five
[13:38] Speaker 4: years old, so now I have such clarity on it.
[13:42] Speaker 4: But I actually stood up for myself and I was like,
[13:44] Speaker 4: I'm not kissing the Prince, I'm not wearing this, and
[13:47] Speaker 4: I quit the role. And you know it was it
[13:50] Speaker 4: was devastating to the family when I tell you the
[13:55] Speaker 4: thirty years of remember when you quit the league plan
[14:00] Speaker 4: and it's only been the last couple of years where
[14:01] Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what, I stand behind.
[14:04] Speaker 2: I totally support you. So did you end up being
[14:07] Speaker 2: something else in the show?
[14:08] Speaker 3: Yeah? I was the Circus Troop member.
[14:10] Speaker 2: Oh, Circus Troop member.
[14:11] Speaker 3: That's I was so happy just being in the back.
[14:15] Speaker 4: It was funny, is there's this picture of me and
[14:17] Speaker 4: and you know, you have to be kind of a
[14:18] Speaker 4: utility player, different costumes. Sometimes you have to move the
[14:22] Speaker 4: set around, and I in this that scene where they kissed,
[14:25] Speaker 4: I had to be a water buffalo. So I was
[14:27] Speaker 4: behind with a little water buffalo and just watching these
[14:30] Speaker 4: two people because they had the TA fill in last
[14:33] Speaker 4: minute because it was.
[14:34] Speaker 3: So last minute.
[14:35] Speaker 2: Wow, you've dropped out that la.
[14:37] Speaker 4: It was sort of right before we were gonna go up,
[14:40] Speaker 4: which is my bad. You know, I'm so sorry. I
[14:42] Speaker 4: should have said it earlier. But I'm just behind them
[14:46] Speaker 4: in my water buffalo costume and you have these two
[14:48] Speaker 4: people on stage in Asian garbage right kissing.
[14:53] Speaker 2: And was the ta a white girl.
[14:54] Speaker 4: Yes, it's very interesting and new on story with many layers.
[15:02] Speaker 2: Yes, were you singing and dancing? What was the water
[15:05] Speaker 2: buffalo doing? Oh, the water buffalo was chewing.
[15:09] Speaker 4: Yeah, like the kind of like space work kind of
[15:12] Speaker 4: chew like pretend the grass, you know, all this stuff.
[15:14] Speaker 4: I loved it because I got to wear, you know,
[15:17] Speaker 4: all different costumes and dance and be in the background.
[15:21] Speaker 3: And I was super happy me in the background.
[15:23] Speaker 2: And then like, where did you go from there?
[15:27] Speaker 3: Oh gosh, how much time do you have?
[15:29] Speaker 2: This is a nine hour podcast?
[15:32] Speaker 4: Oh no, Well after that, so then I started doing
[15:35] Speaker 4: a bunch of stuff in the Seattle area. And there
[15:37] Speaker 4: was this woman going around at the time when I
[15:39] Speaker 4: this is now when I'm thirteen almost fourteen, and she
[15:42] Speaker 4: was a manager and she would go around all you know,
[15:44] Speaker 4: this is very much that John Robert Powers era, you know,
[15:48] Speaker 4: the modeling.
[15:49] Speaker 2: School, right discovered.
[15:52] Speaker 4: Exactly very common to have these kind of workshops be
[15:56] Speaker 4: a star kind of thing. And so there was a
[15:58] Speaker 4: manager and my friend told us about my friend told
[16:01] Speaker 4: my mom about it.
[16:02] Speaker 3: Try to take this acting class. So I enrolled in
[16:04] Speaker 3: this acting class.
[16:05] Speaker 4: And then the manager was like, you're it, you know
[16:08] Speaker 4: which I'm sure said to everyone, come out to my
[16:11] Speaker 4: acting boot camp in California in Hollywood, and it was
[16:16] Speaker 4: supposed to be like a summer camp experience. And I
[16:19] Speaker 4: was like, I'm going. I'm going. There's no stopping me.
[16:22] Speaker 4: And so I went and then I am still here.
[16:25] Speaker 2: Wow.
[16:26] Speaker 3: I never went back home and did your.
[16:29] Speaker 2: Mom come out with you or anything? Oh this feels
[16:31] Speaker 2: like something from the eighteen hundredths.
[16:33] Speaker 4: Well it's very early two thousands, don't you think.
[16:36] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there was kind of a just not realizing
[16:39] Speaker 2: what the world.
[16:40] Speaker 3: Was, Oh totally.
[16:41] Speaker 4: I mean, so I lived in this condo farm or
[16:45] Speaker 4: barn basically. I mean we lived in a condo in
[16:49] Speaker 4: Santa Clarita, which you know, was not right what we
[16:53] Speaker 4: thought it was going to be, like come to Hollywood.
[16:55] Speaker 4: It was like this condo in Santa Clorica. No shade
[16:58] Speaker 4: to Santa Clorida. I mean it's just very far away
[17:01] Speaker 4: from anything. And yeah, and I stayed in this condo
[17:05] Speaker 4: with all these other kids for a bunch of fears.
[17:08] Speaker 2: Who was watching over you?
[17:10] Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean she lived there.
[17:14] Speaker 2: Okay, she lived there.
[17:15] Speaker 3: She lived there.
[17:16] Speaker 2: Wow.
[17:16] Speaker 3: She also loved diet coke. Maybe that's where Yeah.
[17:22] Speaker 2: Wow, that's so. How long were you in the condo
[17:24] Speaker 2: before you moved out of the condo?
[17:26] Speaker 4: So I would say until I was like maybe like
[17:29] Speaker 4: three or four years. This is like kind of hazy,
[17:33] Speaker 4: But eventually my mom did move out here. Okay, she
[17:37] Speaker 4: got a teaching job and then right and we stayed
[17:40] Speaker 4: in Valencia and I went to high school there.
[17:42] Speaker 2: Wow, that's incredible. I mean that's almost all of her twist.
[17:45] Speaker 2: It's very Deckenzian, just a bunch of essential orphans in
[17:48] Speaker 2: one space with this leader. Yes, she didn't have you stealing,
[17:52] Speaker 2: did she? Nothing like that.
[17:54] Speaker 3: No, no stealing.
[17:56] Speaker 4: But you know, it was very interesting the way it
[17:58] Speaker 4: all was, like there'd be other moms and then the
[18:02] Speaker 4: older kids would drive around the younger kids, and you know,
[18:06] Speaker 4: it was a whole web.
[18:08] Speaker 2: Wow.
[18:08] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[18:09] Speaker 2: And was there a point where you're like, oh, this
[18:10] Speaker 2: is gonna work, this is actually working out for me.
[18:13] Speaker 3: Oh from day one, I was like I'm committed.
[18:15] Speaker 4: To this, you know, I because I think I was
[18:18] Speaker 4: so naive.
[18:19] Speaker 3: And then when I walked into the house, I was like, Okay.
[18:21] Speaker 4: I had a moment where I was like, this doesn't
[18:23] Speaker 4: feel right again, you know my little.
[18:25] Speaker 3: Intuition right, right, maybe this isn't right.
[18:27] Speaker 4: And I remember she immediately said like, well, this is
[18:30] Speaker 4: what it's like to be a grown up.
[18:31] Speaker 3: So wow, get you. And so in my mind I
[18:33] Speaker 3: was like, oh, this would have liked to be a
[18:35] Speaker 3: grown up. This would like to be a grown up.
[18:36] Speaker 3: And that kind of just carried me through. And when
[18:38] Speaker 3: you're a kid, you want to be a grown up.
[18:40] Speaker 2: So right, I was like, she was my big chance.
[18:44] Speaker 3: Yeah this makes sense.
[18:46] Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember walking through malls in like the nineties
[18:49] Speaker 2: early thousands, thinking maybe you'll be discovered, maybe there will
[18:53] Speaker 2: be somebody here. If I was in the middle of Utah,
[18:56] Speaker 2: what what could have possibly happened? But that did like
[19:00] Speaker 2: a big trap during that period, just people floating around
[19:04] Speaker 2: malls looking for the.
[19:05] Speaker 3: Youth, right, and they want to give us your money.
[19:08] Speaker 4: We'll take pictures of you.
[19:11] Speaker 3: What it's all.
[19:14] Speaker 4: It was definitely a cultural moment in time right.
[19:17] Speaker 2: That I think we hopefully have moved past. But you'll
[19:21] Speaker 2: never know. You never know. There are some stage parents
[19:23] Speaker 2: out there that will do whatever it takes get their
[19:26] Speaker 2: kids on television. That kind of thing.
[19:28] Speaker 4: I'm going to come back in a year and you're
[19:30] Speaker 4: gonna have a whole acting boot camps.
[19:33] Speaker 2: Of teens running everywhere or getting their head shots and
[19:37] Speaker 2: putting people on tape. Oh gosh, that's my way out
[19:43] Speaker 2: of this business. I mean, I guess my way slightly
[19:46] Speaker 2: to the side of this business is what it would be. Well,
[19:49] Speaker 2: you never know, Bridgers boot Camp coming twenty twenty four.
[19:53] Speaker 3: I would sign up.
[19:54] Speaker 2: I'm looking for starlits, I'm looking for stars whatever. I'll
[19:58] Speaker 2: take whatever open call. I mean, look, I feel like
[20:05] Speaker 2: we've been dancing around this long enough. This podcast is
[20:08] Speaker 2: called I said no gifts. You came today. I was
[20:11] Speaker 2: very excited to have you here. You know, it was hot,
[20:14] Speaker 2: but I thought we'll have a nice time anyway, it'll
[20:16] Speaker 2: be a nice day in the backyard. And then I
[20:19] Speaker 2: spot you on my porch holding a pink gift bag. Ali,
[20:27] Speaker 2: clearly this is a gift for me, what could you
[20:29] Speaker 2: possibly have been thinking?
[20:31] Speaker 4: Well, I have to just say something in that. I
[20:35] Speaker 4: it's not just specific to you. Oh, interesting, it's thoughtless
[20:39] Speaker 4: pretty much. It's more of a stress thing and a
[20:42] Speaker 4: people pleasing thing because I was taught in my family
[20:46] Speaker 4: like you do not show up empty handed.
[20:49] Speaker 3: Oh, it's actually very bad.
[20:50] Speaker 4: I mean, and even just culturally in Japan, it's actually
[20:53] Speaker 4: very important the gift giving process.
[20:55] Speaker 3: So if you actually don't accept this, then I would
[20:58] Speaker 3: it would be very offensive.
[21:00] Speaker 2: Actually, well, I'm not above being completely rude. So well,
[21:04] Speaker 2: I'll have to see what happens here. Oh, we've got
[21:06] Speaker 2: a helicopter overhead. They're excited about the gift. Everyone's excited
[21:10] Speaker 2: about this.
[21:10] Speaker 3: Big you're flying over your property. Try to see what
[21:13] Speaker 3: it is.
[21:14] Speaker 2: This is kind of a Madonna's wedding situation. Should I
[21:17] Speaker 2: open it here on the podcast?
[21:19] Speaker 3: Well, I would just be so sad if you didn't.
[21:22] Speaker 2: I don't want you walking away in tears. We'll get
[21:24] Speaker 2: into it. It's a cute little pink bang.
[21:27] Speaker 4: I just have to say really quick that I spent
[21:29] Speaker 4: a lot of time on this, like, no, truly, because
[21:32] Speaker 4: I'm sort of a crafts woman.
[21:34] Speaker 3: Oh, I love doing crafts.
[21:37] Speaker 4: Okay, so it's it's one of my crafts in creations.
[21:41] Speaker 2: Are you kind of an all? I mean, should I
[21:42] Speaker 2: open it? Or can we talk about crafts for a minute.
[21:44] Speaker 3: You can open it and then.
[21:45] Speaker 2: We can talk about crafts after.
[21:47] Speaker 3: We can talk about crafts anytime every day.
[21:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm reaching in. We have tissue, throwing the
[22:09] Speaker 2: tissue around the mic, of course, yeah, of course, okay,
[22:13] Speaker 2: I mean right now, I mean you've told me it's
[22:15] Speaker 2: a craft thing. So but as I'm touching it almost
[22:18] Speaker 2: feels like an avocado. I'm gonna pull it at Oh,
[22:21] Speaker 2: it is an avocado with a little dog head taped
[22:26] Speaker 2: to us?
[22:27] Speaker 3: A dog head that is my child, my son? What
[22:34] Speaker 3: the prince of my heart?
[22:36] Speaker 2: What's his name?
[22:37] Speaker 4: Jesse?
[22:38] Speaker 1: Oh?
[22:38] Speaker 2: This is so cute. And now I don't know that
[22:39] Speaker 2: it's taped or glued. Is it glued?
[22:41] Speaker 3: Oh it's a sticker.
[22:42] Speaker 2: Oh it's a sticker.
[22:46] Speaker 1: What?
[22:46] Speaker 2: Okay, Well then I don't even know where to begin here.
[22:49] Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the dog. First of all,
[22:53] Speaker 2: his name's Jesse. What kind of dog is he? To me?
[22:55] Speaker 2: Looks kind of like a terrier or something.
[22:57] Speaker 3: He's a Tibetan terrier.
[22:59] Speaker 2: Wow, good for me, A good job.
[23:03] Speaker 4: Now he is a Tibetan terrier and his job, you
[23:06] Speaker 4: know where his lineage came from, is that he would
[23:10] Speaker 4: guard the temples for the monks.
[23:13] Speaker 2: Really, yeah, this is a small dog. No, no, they're
[23:17] Speaker 2: not small.
[23:18] Speaker 3: Well he's thirty pounds.
[23:19] Speaker 2: Oh so he's a medium size. He's medium, but I
[23:21] Speaker 2: feel like you would want to breed a slightly larger
[23:23] Speaker 2: animal for guardianship.
[23:25] Speaker 4: No, because this is his superpower. He barks and you're scared.
[23:29] Speaker 4: But then he's quiet and he just watches and he
[23:32] Speaker 4: makes sure everyone's good.
[23:33] Speaker 2: What does he bark at anything?
[23:37] Speaker 3: Everything?
[23:37] Speaker 4: You know, anyone that walks by. Okay, we have this
[23:40] Speaker 4: sweet like Grandma and Grandpa to live by us, and
[23:44] Speaker 4: he goes crazy on them, you know.
[23:47] Speaker 3: But he is an angel. He is a prince.
[23:51] Speaker 4: He is incredible, And I'm trying to make this whole
[23:54] Speaker 4: thing work where we don't have pet rocks anymore.
[23:57] Speaker 3: But it's your pet avocado.
[23:59] Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's very nice until you're cutting into
[24:01] Speaker 2: it and making it dinner.
[24:03] Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, you just have to preserve it.
[24:06] Speaker 3: Put in the freezer.
[24:08] Speaker 2: Oh, interesting, in the freezer.
[24:10] Speaker 4: And see, this is one of those things where now
[24:11] Speaker 4: I can come back and check on it and make
[24:14] Speaker 4: sure that you have not let the pet avocado die.
[24:18] Speaker 2: You have now trapped me into freezing an avocado. There's
[24:21] Speaker 2: nothing I can do at this point.
[24:22] Speaker 3: We have a child together.
[24:24] Speaker 2: Now. I always wanted to be a dad. It finally
[24:27] Speaker 2: came to me. Okay, and avocados do keep in the
[24:30] Speaker 2: freezer for a while. I think that's exactly right. So
[24:34] Speaker 2: I was going to make some sort of toast or
[24:35] Speaker 2: guakam oly.
[24:36] Speaker 3: But out of your pet avocado, you must name it.
[24:42] Speaker 2: Well, but it's got Jesse on it.
[24:44] Speaker 3: Right, Well, so what do I do? He's sort of
[24:47] Speaker 3: like the ethos of it.
[24:49] Speaker 4: You know, it's like his his vibe is that it But.
[24:56] Speaker 3: You your Ethanan?
[24:59] Speaker 2: This is my pet Ethan? Because that that feels good.
[25:05] Speaker 2: That's classy, it's timeless.
[25:07] Speaker 3: Why did you go with that name?
[25:09] Speaker 2: It just popped in my head. It felt like an
[25:11] Speaker 2: Ethan to me. Wow, what can I say?
[25:14] Speaker 3: That's so cool?
[25:14] Speaker 2: That was Jesse j E S s E or Ice
[25:17] Speaker 2: j E S. S. The male. My brother is named
[25:20] Speaker 2: Jesse with an E.
[25:21] Speaker 3: But Jesse as a as a girl is real cute.
[25:23] Speaker 2: Too, Yes, but it doesn't. Don't girls usually have an
[25:26] Speaker 2: I E.
[25:27] Speaker 3: True. I was thinking of Jesse and toy story. Yeah,
[25:31] Speaker 3: it's I E right.
[25:32] Speaker 2: I like the I E yeah something. I mean you
[25:35] Speaker 2: say the cowgirl and there is kind of a lasso
[25:38] Speaker 2: quality to it. There's like a interesting I don't know,
[25:41] Speaker 2: there's something very old fashioned cowboy boots about I E.
[25:46] Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh, put cowboy boots on ething.
[25:49] Speaker 2: So you're causing a lot of problems. You're giving me
[25:53] Speaker 2: all of these tasks to do, I know, and I'm
[25:55] Speaker 2: not going to not be able to do them. Where
[25:57] Speaker 2: do I find a small pair of cowboy boots anywhere?
[26:00] Speaker 4: You could literally go to build a bear right now
[26:02] Speaker 4: and create a whole thing, and then you could turn
[26:05] Speaker 4: Ethan into an influencer and create an Instagram.
[26:10] Speaker 3: I'm telling you people would love it.
[26:12] Speaker 2: Does build a Bear sell individual accessories or do you
[26:15] Speaker 2: have to go whole hog and get the toy.
[26:18] Speaker 3: That's a good question.
[26:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, I asked a lot of interesting questions on this pod.
[26:26] Speaker 2: I feel like they must write because they get you
[26:28] Speaker 2: into the bear and then they want you to come
[26:30] Speaker 2: back to.
[26:30] Speaker 4: But that feels a bit gatekeepy if you come in
[26:35] Speaker 4: and they're like, do you already own a bear?
[26:37] Speaker 3: Oh, that's interesting, right, Like if you.
[26:39] Speaker 4: Don't own a bear, you can't buy the socks or whatever. Right,
[26:42] Speaker 4: wouldn't they just want any business? Yes, any They'll take
[26:45] Speaker 4: any dime they can get. The struggling really struggling as
[26:49] Speaker 4: a business. Yeah, I have to assume they sell all
[26:51] Speaker 4: the accessories on the side.
[26:54] Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never been well, I bet i've
[26:56] Speaker 2: been in one before. I had a coworker at a
[26:59] Speaker 2: bakery once. She and her husband were they must have
[27:03] Speaker 2: been mid to late thirties, and they were very dedicated
[27:07] Speaker 2: to build a bear culture. It was startling.
[27:10] Speaker 3: Tell me more.
[27:11] Speaker 2: I mean their home was full of stuffed creatures. They
[27:15] Speaker 2: were their their children until they had a child.
[27:19] Speaker 3: Wait, they were their children.
[27:21] Speaker 2: They treated these things like children. The build a bear,
[27:23] Speaker 2: the build of bears. They were very into it was.
[27:27] Speaker 2: I think they had every one of these things.
[27:29] Speaker 4: They were all actual build of bears. I think they
[27:32] Speaker 4: owned every type of build a bear.
[27:34] Speaker 2: Right. I can't imagine how many they've got or especially
[27:36] Speaker 2: at the time, but then they had of course other
[27:38] Speaker 2: I don't know what it is in the community. Is
[27:40] Speaker 2: its stuffed or plush? And I think they probably call
[27:43] Speaker 2: them plush toys, right, I would call them stuffed animals.
[27:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say stuff.
[27:48] Speaker 4: But their home, I believe, was just filled with these things.
[27:51] Speaker 4: And wait, how have you heard of Zillow Gone Wild?
[27:56] Speaker 3: No, this is my new thing.
[27:58] Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I immediately have an idea in my head,
[28:02] Speaker 2: but going on, it's an.
[28:02] Speaker 3: Instagram account where they do real Zillow listing.
[28:07] Speaker 2: Oh I love this sort of thing.
[28:08] Speaker 4: And there was this one that was so frightening. There
[28:12] Speaker 4: was just dolls everywhere, like porcelain dolls, and then there
[28:16] Speaker 4: was like a rocking chair in the middle of the
[28:18] Speaker 4: room with a like a sort of a clown sort
[28:21] Speaker 4: of thing on it, like it was riding the thing.
[28:24] Speaker 4: And there was just dolls all sorts all over the house.
[28:32] Speaker 2: And the rocking chair was just kind of in the room, unmoored.
[28:35] Speaker 4: It was like placed in the middle of the room
[28:38] Speaker 4: like sort of as when you walk in, that would
[28:41] Speaker 4: be the centerpiece of.
[28:44] Speaker 2: Very unsettling, even beyond all of the dolls. If I
[28:49] Speaker 2: walk into a room that just has a rocking chair
[28:51] Speaker 2: directly in the middle of it, I don't know what
[28:53] Speaker 2: I would do. It's got to be close to something.
[28:56] Speaker 3: It has to be in a corner.
[28:57] Speaker 2: Right. Otherwise it's a little like I don't even know.
[29:01] Speaker 2: You're there entirely by yourself. No one ever else enters
[29:05] Speaker 2: the room. You're just kind of rocking looking at the wall.
[29:07] Speaker 3: Right. Yes, it's very scary movie.
[29:10] Speaker 2: Right. And did this feel like they were trying to
[29:13] Speaker 2: make it intentionally scary or this person was a scary person?
[29:16] Speaker 4: That is just what I wonder every day. I think
[29:19] Speaker 4: about it all day and all night of kind of
[29:22] Speaker 4: if this was a strategy or if it was just
[29:25] Speaker 4: sort of like, yeah, take the pictures were on vac
[29:28] Speaker 4: you know what.
[29:28] Speaker 2: That person's not on a vacation. That person doesn't leave
[29:31] Speaker 2: the house.
[29:32] Speaker 3: What do you mean maybe they got to go find
[29:34] Speaker 3: more dolls.
[29:34] Speaker 2: Oh, that's true, they're on a well they call that
[29:37] Speaker 2: a doll hunt.
[29:38] Speaker 3: That's not a vacation, right, that's true.
[29:40] Speaker 2: That's all safari or not.
[29:42] Speaker 3: All of the dolls are located in you know the valley.
[29:47] Speaker 2: Wow? And that was that a California residence?
[29:50] Speaker 3: I actually don't know.
[29:50] Speaker 2: Interesting. I mean, it is an interesting strategy to just
[29:54] Speaker 2: go full freak in the Zillow thing because a lot
[29:56] Speaker 2: of people aren't going to buy the house. But there
[29:57] Speaker 2: will be one special person who will pay even more.
[30:01] Speaker 3: Well, maybe they.
[30:02] Speaker 4: Just you know, because I think selling a home is
[30:05] Speaker 4: sort of bittersweet, right, because you're you've made all these
[30:08] Speaker 4: memories there and you want hopefully the next person to
[30:12] Speaker 4: take did you create more memories there?
[30:15] Speaker 2: Right?
[30:15] Speaker 3: So maybe they're just.
[30:16] Speaker 4: Like, we want to find someone that has the same
[30:18] Speaker 4: kind of interests as we do, so we know they
[30:21] Speaker 4: will take care of the property.
[30:23] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, I guess it's a strategy. It
[30:26] Speaker 2: probably takes ten times as long.
[30:28] Speaker 3: But in the end, quality over quantity, right.
[30:31] Speaker 2: Quality over quantity. You don't want a lot of people
[30:34] Speaker 2: bidding on your home. That's a first rule of real estate.
[30:37] Speaker 2: You don't want a lot of interest in all.
[30:39] Speaker 3: Oh never, you want.
[30:41] Speaker 2: One scary person approaching and offering to pay in cash.
[30:45] Speaker 2: Actually that's not a bad thing.
[30:46] Speaker 4: But that's I mean, you know they got money, that's fine.
[30:50] Speaker 3: If they love the dolls. I wonder if they know
[30:52] Speaker 3: they're taking all the dolls with them, right.
[30:54] Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a good question.
[30:56] Speaker 3: Are they're in the photo when you get to keep them?
[30:58] Speaker 2: Right? It's false advertising on their wise. Yeah, when I
[31:02] Speaker 2: put the bid in, i'd say all dolls are nothing, right,
[31:05] Speaker 2: That is like a contingency, right, that sort of house,
[31:07] Speaker 2: and I think like renting an apartment or buying a
[31:10] Speaker 2: house or anything, when they have horrible pictures, it is
[31:13] Speaker 2: a good I mean, it's excellent for the renter or
[31:16] Speaker 2: the buyer because nobody wants those things. They look terrible
[31:20] Speaker 2: in the pictures. Then you go and it's like, oh,
[31:21] Speaker 2: this person's just bad at photographing or didn't quite know
[31:24] Speaker 2: what they were doing, and you get a good deal.
[31:26] Speaker 3: Well, I agreed, it's all about the pictures.
[31:28] Speaker 2: It's all about that.
[31:29] Speaker 4: I actually thought that I would, as you know, as
[31:32] Speaker 4: a side gig, that I could be so good at
[31:35] Speaker 4: taking the home photos.
[31:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, what's stopping staging?
[31:39] Speaker 4: Oh, so much fun it would be. I mean I
[31:43] Speaker 4: would be bad at it, but it would be fun.
[31:45] Speaker 4: I feel like you'd be great at it.
[31:46] Speaker 2: It feels like weirdly low pressure because you don't you
[31:49] Speaker 2: have a little budget to work with the stage. Yes,
[31:52] Speaker 2: and you don't have to live with it, so you
[31:53] Speaker 2: can kind of experiment and do new things, and that
[31:57] Speaker 2: could be fun. It's like a giant dollhouse exactly. Well,
[32:01] Speaker 2: I mean I feel like that's a career opportunity for
[32:03] Speaker 2: you maybe. I mean it's you can just have a
[32:05] Speaker 2: you know, that could be like your fun job outside
[32:08] Speaker 2: of hector.
[32:09] Speaker 3: I love a fun job.
[32:12] Speaker 2: Back to crafting, I mean, oh dear, what sort of
[32:15] Speaker 2: crafting are you doing in your free time?
[32:18] Speaker 4: I really actually am not good at crafting at all.
[32:23] Speaker 2: Just starting off with a huge lot.
[32:25] Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I wanted you to think this gift
[32:27] Speaker 4: is really special, because it is.
[32:30] Speaker 2: It is special. It is certainly special.
[32:32] Speaker 4: I went to the market, I picked out the perfect avocado.
[32:35] Speaker 2: Let me, let's see. Yeah it's not uh like, in
[32:38] Speaker 2: two days it'll be ripe, but it will never be
[32:40] Speaker 2: right because it's going in the freezer.
[32:42] Speaker 3: Thank you exactly. I wanted you to put on a
[32:45] Speaker 3: little stand I've got.
[32:46] Speaker 2: I'm a stunt. Its growth and uh.
[32:50] Speaker 3: Yeah yeah crafts. I like puzzles. Is that a craft?
[32:54] Speaker 2: Absolutely not a crap. I just completed a real journey
[32:58] Speaker 2: with a puzzle from this podcast. It took me fifteen
[33:01] Speaker 2: weeks to complete the puzzle. What was the picture of
[33:04] Speaker 2: horrible picture of all of the Republican presidents or quite
[33:09] Speaker 2: a few of them outside of the most recent horrible one.
[33:12] Speaker 2: He wasn't on there for some reason. But it was
[33:14] Speaker 2: me just completing this thing that I didn't want to
[33:17] Speaker 2: look at.
[33:17] Speaker 3: Wait, that was a gift from someone.
[33:20] Speaker 2: Yes, it was a gift from Chris Thay or a
[33:22] Speaker 2: guest of I don't know at this point, twenty weeks
[33:24] Speaker 2: ago or something.
[33:25] Speaker 3: I listened to all of your episodes.
[33:28] Speaker 2: I know all of the so certainly you've heard yeah,
[33:31] Speaker 2: he I mean I was just kind of staring at Bush,
[33:35] Speaker 2: Senior and Junior, Nixon, all of them four weeks at
[33:39] Speaker 2: a time, and it was it was kind of my
[33:41] Speaker 2: first puzzle. It was a thousand pieces. It was your
[33:43] Speaker 2: first puzzle, yeah, basically outside of elementary school.
[33:46] Speaker 3: Oh wow.
[33:47] Speaker 2: And it was I mean, it was weirdly satisfying. When
[33:50] Speaker 2: it started working, It's like, wow, I'm doing it. Yeah,
[33:54] Speaker 2: But I knew we were headed in a direction to
[33:56] Speaker 2: a picture I had no interest in keeping.
[33:59] Speaker 3: I know what.
[34:00] Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I appreciate your dedication to finishing it. So
[34:03] Speaker 4: what is your sort of strategy with puzzles? Do you
[34:06] Speaker 4: start with the out the corners?
[34:08] Speaker 2: Yes, I kind of use the strategy that I've just
[34:10] Speaker 2: heard through the years of doing the edges the border,
[34:14] Speaker 2: which was easy enough, and then separating into different color piles.
[34:18] Speaker 2: This one had a lot of like peach tones and
[34:21] Speaker 2: just solid black, which really became a challenge because it's
[34:25] Speaker 2: just like, I don't know where any of this goes.
[34:28] Speaker 2: They're all the exact same color, right, I mean literally
[34:31] Speaker 2: no textural difference or anything. It was just solid colors.
[34:34] Speaker 2: So but I separated into piles and then just dragged
[34:38] Speaker 2: myself through it for weeks and weeks and weeks.
[34:41] Speaker 3: How did you get anything done?
[34:44] Speaker 2: Because I don't have anything to do. My life's completely empty. Autoly.
[34:51] Speaker 2: This is vigorously nodding and flipping me off. Oh wow,
[34:57] Speaker 2: this is the abuse that happens on this podcast.
[35:01] Speaker 3: I do feel bad for you.
[35:04] Speaker 2: My producer is giving me the bird and telling me
[35:06] Speaker 2: my life is nothing. I mean, I'm sure you know.
[35:09] Speaker 2: When you're doing a puzzle, you start getting into it
[35:11] Speaker 2: and time slips away. Oh that is loose track of things.
[35:15] Speaker 3: That is how I got through the pandemic.
[35:17] Speaker 2: Of course, my boyfriend did a puzzle during the pandemic
[35:19] Speaker 2: of a picture we actually wanted of our dog. Oh
[35:23] Speaker 2: what yes, Oh yeah, of course, I mean we can
[35:25] Speaker 2: talk dogs. I'll take Oh my god, I want to
[35:27] Speaker 2: know what puzzles you were doing.
[35:29] Speaker 4: Well, I did a SpongeBob SquarePants one really tiny, so
[35:34] Speaker 4: many little creatures in that one.
[35:37] Speaker 3: Oh, very hard, very hard.
[35:39] Speaker 2: How many pieces?
[35:40] Speaker 3: I think a thousand?
[35:41] Speaker 2: Okay? Is that kind of like the average? Would you say,
[35:43] Speaker 2: for like a regular puzzle, you're looking at a thousand
[35:46] Speaker 2: or is it five hundred?
[35:47] Speaker 4: Well, I think a thousand is if you five hundred
[35:51] Speaker 4: is if you're like I want to feel like about
[35:53] Speaker 4: us today.
[35:54] Speaker 2: Oh, interesting, it's kind of a day long activity. Yeah.
[35:57] Speaker 4: And if you're just like I need anyone or just
[36:00] Speaker 4: a thing to tell me that I'm doing okay, right,
[36:03] Speaker 4: you know, because you could finish it. But the thousand
[36:06] Speaker 4: is sort of like, yeah, if you want to challenge yourself.
[36:08] Speaker 2: And okay, and how long on average would it take
[36:11] Speaker 2: you to complete a puzzle? I'm trying to see where
[36:14] Speaker 2: I stand with my It's gonna make me feel bad
[36:17] Speaker 2: no matter what you say.
[36:18] Speaker 3: Definitely faster than you.
[36:21] Speaker 4: If you're spending fifty did you say you're spending fifteen
[36:23] Speaker 4: hours a day?
[36:24] Speaker 2: No, fifteen weeks, fifteen weeks, and.
[36:30] Speaker 3: That's not great, not in the world of puzzles.
[36:34] Speaker 2: In my defense, it was a picture I had no
[36:36] Speaker 2: interest in looking at, but still.
[36:39] Speaker 4: Well, not really an excuse. You can't just choose what
[36:47] Speaker 4: you want to make.
[36:48] Speaker 2: I mean, you're absolutely you can not in this scenario
[36:53] Speaker 2: given to me, and I was forced. I had a
[36:55] Speaker 2: gun to my head and I had to finish this puzzle.
[36:57] Speaker 3: Was your friend appreciative that you did the puzzle?
[36:59] Speaker 2: I think he was happy. I would send him updates
[37:00] Speaker 2: and he would shame me. But you know it was
[37:05] Speaker 2: a he kind of on the podcast said you have
[37:07] Speaker 2: to do this, and then there was like kind of
[37:09] Speaker 2: a call to arms to the listeners to demand I
[37:12] Speaker 2: do it. So, I mean there was literally nothing I
[37:14] Speaker 2: could do.
[37:14] Speaker 4: When you get all these gifts, do people kind of
[37:18] Speaker 4: require you to do things? Are they checking up on
[37:20] Speaker 4: the gifts? Like sort of like I'm just wanting for
[37:22] Speaker 4: my own kind of.
[37:24] Speaker 2: You will be I mean, let's be honest, You're going
[37:27] Speaker 2: to be calling me day and night. I'm definitely because
[37:30] Speaker 2: you're gonna want to like wish it sweet dreams every night.
[37:33] Speaker 3: I'm the godmother.
[37:34] Speaker 4: Yes, I wouldn't just give this to you and then
[37:38] Speaker 4: if it died, I.
[37:39] Speaker 2: I would feel a great deal of guilt.
[37:41] Speaker 3: That would me.
[37:43] Speaker 2: Yes, No, I would feel nothing.
[37:44] Speaker 3: You would feel nothing. Oh my goodness.
[37:48] Speaker 2: You're talking to a psychopath. No, I'm gonna I'm going
[37:52] Speaker 2: to put this in the freezer and we'll figure out
[37:54] Speaker 2: what we do because the listener, of course, is going
[37:56] Speaker 2: to want to see this on Instagram.
[37:57] Speaker 3: I think they're kind and the progress right.
[38:00] Speaker 2: But to answer your question, most people don't check in.
[38:04] Speaker 2: On occasion, they will, but another helicopter that may be
[38:08] Speaker 2: they're checking in. Yeah, they've got a giant telescope or
[38:11] Speaker 2: binoculars they're looking at us. No, they don't check in.
[38:15] Speaker 2: They kind of just swing by the house, dump something
[38:18] Speaker 2: on me, and then I'm I have to live with
[38:22] Speaker 2: it for the rest of my life.
[38:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, you've really set yourself up here.
[38:26] Speaker 4: When you give a gift and it's a close friend,
[38:30] Speaker 4: are you someone that when you go back to their house,
[38:32] Speaker 4: are you like checking this interesting so there?
[38:34] Speaker 2: Or I don't. I wouldn't say that I'm I'm checking in,
[38:38] Speaker 2: but I would say I'm a noticer. I'm an observer.
[38:43] Speaker 2: I'm not actively looking because do whatever you want. But
[38:47] Speaker 2: if I observer notice that the item is never used, right,
[38:51] Speaker 2: I have to kind of assume they're either doing it
[38:53] Speaker 2: in private, which means they're embarrassed of whatever I gave them,
[38:57] Speaker 2: or they haven't used it, So how am I supposed
[39:00] Speaker 2: to feel?
[39:01] Speaker 3: Right? It doesn't feel good?
[39:02] Speaker 2: Do you are?
[39:03] Speaker 1: You?
[39:03] Speaker 2: Like? Why aren't you wearing the shirt I gave you?
[39:05] Speaker 3: I'm a noticer. I mean you know you already knew that.
[39:10] Speaker 2: I think what we're both trying to say is we're
[39:12] Speaker 2: deeply petty, and definitely we will seek revenge this kind
[39:17] Speaker 2: of thing. I mean, if somebody doesn't use the gift,
[39:20] Speaker 2: the next time I give them something, it's there's gonna
[39:22] Speaker 2: be a down grade. Oh yeah, it's like, no.
[39:26] Speaker 3: I get it because I'm an aunt. I'm an aunt.
[39:28] Speaker 2: How many kids?
[39:29] Speaker 3: Well three?
[39:30] Speaker 4: One of them is twenty two though, so I still
[39:33] Speaker 4: give him gifts all the time.
[39:35] Speaker 3: He just needs money.
[39:35] Speaker 2: But I mean, I mean, when they get to the
[39:37] Speaker 2: age where you can just give them money, what a dream?
[39:39] Speaker 3: I don't like that.
[39:41] Speaker 4: No.
[39:41] Speaker 3: I like going to five and under. Have you heard
[39:44] Speaker 3: a store?
[39:44] Speaker 4: No, It's like it's a story where everything's five dollars
[39:47] Speaker 4: an under.
[39:48] Speaker 2: Oh I thought it was for children five and under.
[39:50] Speaker 2: That's another business idea is still lower.
[39:53] Speaker 4: It's getting interesting your business ideas. I like going there
[40:01] Speaker 4: and I like spending one hundred dollars on nothing.
[40:04] Speaker 2: Wow, you know what are you getting a one hundred dollars?
[40:08] Speaker 4: No that I are contributing to a global problem? No, okay,
[40:12] Speaker 4: maybe forty five dollars okay?
[40:14] Speaker 2: And what sort of stuff do they have there?
[40:16] Speaker 3: They have great stuff?
[40:17] Speaker 2: Really?
[40:18] Speaker 4: Yeah. I just bought a birthday gift for my niece
[40:22] Speaker 4: and it was just all these coloring books, books, stuffed animals.
[40:27] Speaker 4: Okay for your collection, just all kinds of stuff. It's
[40:31] Speaker 4: all fine, But you would also buy like furniture there.
[40:35] Speaker 4: Furniture I'm serious for under five dollars, like a lawn chair.
[40:39] Speaker 3: What is it like?
[40:41] Speaker 4: Like shoe racks and oh, little cabinets and dog beds.
[40:46] Speaker 3: And they have games, they have puzzles.
[40:49] Speaker 2: Is this a chain?
[40:50] Speaker 3: Yes?
[40:50] Speaker 2: Okay? Interesting? How have I never heard of five an under?
[40:54] Speaker 3: I just recently discovered it.
[40:56] Speaker 2: My I'll go to the dollar store. You know, you're
[41:00] Speaker 2: you're making some compromises when you're buying at the dollars
[41:02] Speaker 2: so or occasionally they have, you know, great deals. I'm
[41:05] Speaker 2: also going to Dice Dio Diso is like the place
[41:08] Speaker 2: where you go the things that when I buy there,
[41:10] Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this is something I want to own.
[41:12] Speaker 2: Oh and they're like affordable, not five and under, but
[41:16] Speaker 2: under twenty.
[41:17] Speaker 4: Would you say, yeah, well, is there something that's twenty
[41:20] Speaker 4: dollars there?
[41:21] Speaker 2: There are things that look like they should cost twenty
[41:23] Speaker 2: dollars and that's two dice OF's credit exactly.
[41:26] Speaker 4: You can get some great dishware there, dishware stuff animal
[41:30] Speaker 4: and Harry, really beautiful soft stuffed animals. One year, I
[41:35] Speaker 4: had a little party and I just bought a bunch
[41:37] Speaker 4: of like Christmas socks there so everyone could have a
[41:41] Speaker 4: pair of socks.
[41:41] Speaker 2: I should get socks there.
[41:43] Speaker 4: But then you seem like you are so amazing and thoughtful.
[41:48] Speaker 4: You're like, wow, this person bought forty socks.
[41:53] Speaker 3: Like for us. Little do they know? Diso?
[41:57] Speaker 2: Well, it's because DISO, I think has some level of
[41:59] Speaker 2: control of their brand. So it's like it's not just
[42:01] Speaker 2: random crap. It looks like someone's taken some level of care.
[42:05] Speaker 3: Yeah right, I'm so impressed that you knew about Diceo.
[42:09] Speaker 2: The first time I went in a Diceo was like,
[42:11] Speaker 2: where did this come from? What is this?
[42:12] Speaker 3: What is I love? Like holes?
[42:15] Speaker 2: I think I bought some sort of some shower caddy.
[42:18] Speaker 2: You know they have things like that. I did buy
[42:20] Speaker 2: my niece is one of these stuffed animals. Cute, it
[42:23] Speaker 2: was adorable. It wasn't like a crummy looking stuffed animal.
[42:26] Speaker 2: It was cute.
[42:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, what are you a bad uncle?
[42:29] Speaker 2: No? No, I'm not a bad uncle. That's I mean,
[42:31] Speaker 2: that's why I have a problem with why I'm waiting
[42:34] Speaker 2: for my nieces to just accept money, because when I
[42:36] Speaker 2: need to give them a gift, I panic, I freak
[42:38] Speaker 2: out because I don't. I want them to get good gifts.
[42:41] Speaker 4: Wait, did you start this whole podcast as sort of
[42:43] Speaker 4: your own like to help you in a way.
[42:47] Speaker 2: I think subconsciously, I must have right, you must have everything.
[42:50] Speaker 2: There's a reason for everything. I mean, maybe someone visited
[42:53] Speaker 2: me in a dream and gave me the idea. It's
[42:55] Speaker 2: hard to say, but I think. I mean, it has
[42:57] Speaker 2: helped me accept things. I'm not kidding. I can, like
[43:02] Speaker 2: get a gift a little easier. Now, off the podcast.
[43:05] Speaker 3: What about compliments?
[43:06] Speaker 2: Compliments? I will never be able to take same. It's
[43:10] Speaker 2: a very difficult thing. And it's you should take a compliment.
[43:14] Speaker 3: You should realistically, but we can't.
[43:17] Speaker 2: It's very difficult for me to do, and it's for
[43:20] Speaker 2: me somewhere between self hatred and I don't even know
[43:26] Speaker 2: what the like why I can't take compliments same? I
[43:29] Speaker 2: know what weird, person's just trying to be nice to you.
[43:32] Speaker 2: When were we taught that right?
[43:34] Speaker 3: And what do you what is your reaction?
[43:35] Speaker 4: Because when someone says something nice about me, I instantly
[43:38] Speaker 4: kind of do this, like like.
[43:43] Speaker 3: Like I curl inside of myself.
[43:46] Speaker 4: I kind of hunch my shoulders and I like hide
[43:50] Speaker 4: my face.
[43:52] Speaker 2: Not attractive really because you immediately what a you're trying
[43:55] Speaker 2: to deflect by becoming not the thing right you do?
[44:01] Speaker 2: I don't know, I'll say something that immediately diminishes whatever
[44:05] Speaker 2: compliment I've been given.
[44:07] Speaker 3: So if I was like, you're really nice, you'd be like.
[44:10] Speaker 2: No, I'm not about jass whole I will say. I
[44:14] Speaker 2: think with shirts, if someone compliments a shirt I have,
[44:18] Speaker 2: I've gotten a little bit better of being like yeah,
[44:20] Speaker 2: I'll be like oh, because I used to be like,
[44:22] Speaker 2: oh I got it on sale, or oh this is
[44:24] Speaker 2: forty years old. I still do that on occasion, but
[44:27] Speaker 2: for the most part, I think I can now just say, oh,
[44:29] Speaker 2: thank you, that's great, but ow any other coroud of you, thank.
[44:33] Speaker 3: You, I love you. Specifically to shirts shirts as if
[44:37] Speaker 3: the only compliment you get is about your shirts.
[44:40] Speaker 2: Well, let's be honest. I guess I've got an incredible
[44:42] Speaker 2: library of shirts, do you. I mean, if I'm getting
[44:46] Speaker 2: compliments on shirts, shirt is really cool? Oh thank you.
[44:49] Speaker 2: But this I did get on sale was five dollars
[44:52] Speaker 2: at the Bearded Beagle Vintage placed down on York and
[44:57] Speaker 2: then I died it at sways Soo Shop, which is
[44:59] Speaker 2: a place I absolutely love. Oh my god, You've got
[45:03] Speaker 2: to go to Sway Soap Shop. They have a community
[45:05] Speaker 2: die bath and every month they have four different colors.
[45:08] Speaker 2: I'm addicted to it. I go there and just drop
[45:11] Speaker 2: off things and then like six weeks later the clothes
[45:14] Speaker 2: are new. This was white, Now it's a yellow shirt.
[45:19] Speaker 3: Well, most people would want the opposite.
[45:22] Speaker 2: Well, when you start off with the used white shirt,
[45:24] Speaker 2: you've got to there got one of the things you
[45:26] Speaker 2: got to do with it.
[45:26] Speaker 3: It's already halfway there, right, You've.
[45:28] Speaker 2: Got to get it to the full yellow. So now
[45:30] Speaker 2: it's kind of a yellow shirt and it's from the
[45:34] Speaker 2: Tosa East Athletic staff. I assume a high school or
[45:37] Speaker 2: college or something, right, right, how did we get to hear?
[45:40] Speaker 2: Oh compliments?
[45:41] Speaker 3: The heat is so blaring, I my brain is melting.
[45:46] Speaker 2: There was a time on this podcast when we were
[45:47] Speaker 2: recording during the pandemic in my back office, and we
[45:51] Speaker 2: didn't know that I could have the air conditioning on
[45:53] Speaker 2: during recording because we thought it wouldn't interfere with sound.
[45:57] Speaker 2: It was ninety degrees outside. It was the Julie c
[46:00] Speaker 2: was Inner episode. If listeners want to go back and
[46:02] Speaker 2: see if there's any evidence of this. Towards the end,
[46:05] Speaker 2: I was blacking out. I was delirious. I did not
[46:09] Speaker 2: know what to do.
[46:11] Speaker 4: Wait, I vote that you should move it back in
[46:14] Speaker 4: that room as sort of like this is your own
[46:17] Speaker 4: hot wings type thing. Do you know.
[46:19] Speaker 2: Oh that's a good idea.
[46:21] Speaker 3: Thank you. It's like I've given you so much today.
[46:25] Speaker 3: I probably won't get any commission giving. That would be
[46:29] Speaker 3: so funny though.
[46:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, two people just sweating their brains out, and like
[46:33] Speaker 2: you start saying things when you're delirious.
[46:36] Speaker 3: Oh, I already feel like I've said you must certain.
[46:38] Speaker 2: Truths come out, and we've still got we have two
[46:41] Speaker 2: other things to do, so maybe we should get into
[46:43] Speaker 2: two other things. First of all, we're going to play
[46:45] Speaker 2: a game. We're gonna play a game called Gift Master.
[46:48] Speaker 2: I need a number between one and ten from you.
[46:50] Speaker 3: Six.
[46:50] Speaker 2: Okay, I have to do some light calculating in order
[46:52] Speaker 2: to get our game pieces. Listener, by the way, I'm
[46:55] Speaker 2: telling you, the Gift Master game is available somewhere online.
[46:58] Speaker 2: Go buy it to play it at home. Okay, I
[47:01] Speaker 2: have to do some like calculating. I've done some promotion.
[47:03] Speaker 2: Now you can do some promotion recommending. Do whatever you
[47:06] Speaker 2: want with the microphone right now.
[47:08] Speaker 4: Hi everyone, Well, the Big Door Prize is out on
[47:12] Speaker 4: Apple TV Plus. Please go watch that. It's a very
[47:15] Speaker 4: fun show. And yeah, I'm just hanging out in the backyard.
[47:21] Speaker 4: He's doing something very intensely. There's a lot of moving
[47:25] Speaker 4: around the mouse.
[47:28] Speaker 2: It's a very complicated process.
[47:30] Speaker 4: Oh. Also, Shortcomings is coming out August fourth.
[47:33] Speaker 3: August fourth in theaters near you.
[47:36] Speaker 2: Okay, well, see that's great promotion.
[47:38] Speaker 3: Please go to the theaters.
[47:40] Speaker 2: Park yes directed movie.
[47:42] Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
[47:42] Speaker 4: Randall Park's directorial debut. Sorrying Justin Eichman, myself, Sherry Kohla.
[47:48] Speaker 4: It's incredible, it's delightful. It it went to Sundance and
[47:51] Speaker 4: it was just one of those dream projects you make
[47:54] Speaker 4: with your friends and then somehow it just you know,
[47:58] Speaker 4: it becomes this amazing little.
[48:00] Speaker 2: Film and this laser accuracy. With the promotion. We're landing
[48:04] Speaker 2: on a Thursday tomorrow. The listeners like, what am I
[48:06] Speaker 2: doing this weekend?
[48:07] Speaker 3: It's like it was meant to be.
[48:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, thank somebody had some idea of the release schedule.
[48:12] Speaker 2: It's hard to say. We have to play the game.
[48:14] Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I'm so excited.
[48:16] Speaker 2: This is called Gift Master. I'm gonna name three celebrities,
[48:19] Speaker 2: three people, and then I'm gonna name three gifts, three
[48:22] Speaker 2: things you can give away. You're gonna tell me which
[48:24] Speaker 2: gift you would give which person and why does that
[48:27] Speaker 2: make crystal clear sense?
[48:29] Speaker 3: Yes?
[48:29] Speaker 2: Okay. The celebrities you'll be giving gifts to today are
[48:33] Speaker 2: Number one, Bruce Dern, father of Laura Dern. He's probably
[48:39] Speaker 2: mid eighties to early nineties at this point. Okay, just
[48:42] Speaker 2: imagine an older man who's been acting for decades. Number
[48:47] Speaker 2: two Olivia Coleman. Okay, excellent, I love Olivia, We love
[48:51] Speaker 2: Olivia Coleman. Number three is John Cougar Mellencamp. Do you
[48:54] Speaker 2: have any idea who that is? He sings one of
[48:56] Speaker 2: my least favorite songs of all time, which one it's
[48:59] Speaker 2: called Jack can Diane it's horrible.
[49:01] Speaker 3: Oh, yes, I've heard that.
[49:02] Speaker 4: Okay, sure, I don't know much about him personally.
[49:06] Speaker 2: You've got very little information about.
[49:09] Speaker 3: Olivia.
[49:10] Speaker 2: Yes, you know that Bruce den is an old man, okay,
[49:13] Speaker 2: and aging you know he's he's getting up there. And
[49:17] Speaker 2: John Cougar sings a song that I just think sucks.
[49:20] Speaker 2: The gifts you're going to be giving today are Number one,
[49:24] Speaker 2: chronic migraines. So that's an interesting little gift you'll be
[49:27] Speaker 2: handing out.
[49:28] Speaker 3: You give the gift of chronic migraines.
[49:30] Speaker 2: Oh alas, give the gift of chronic.
[49:33] Speaker 3: Micro statistic Okay, got it.
[49:36] Speaker 2: Number two is a deep understanding of the American text system.
[49:41] Speaker 2: So that's a nice little.
[49:42] Speaker 3: Gift that would be wonderful.
[49:44] Speaker 2: Nobody has it. One mysterious, it's complicated, it's difficult. Number
[49:50] Speaker 2: three is their own brand of tequila. So that's a
[49:52] Speaker 2: nice kind of celebrity gift, you know you've got. I
[49:55] Speaker 2: think George Clooney's doing it. I'm sure other celebrities. I
[49:58] Speaker 2: know one of the real house Wives of Salt Lake
[50:00] Speaker 2: Cities got hers. So those, uh, take all that information,
[50:05] Speaker 2: wash it around in your brain.
[50:08] Speaker 3: Alrighty, here we go.
[50:09] Speaker 4: I think that right out the gate, I would say,
[50:11] Speaker 4: Olivia gets the tequila company.
[50:14] Speaker 3: Oh did you say tequila specifically?
[50:16] Speaker 2: Yes, her own brand of.
[50:17] Speaker 4: Can you imagine how amazing that marketing will be?
[50:22] Speaker 2: Yet? How do you market this respected British actresses foray
[50:26] Speaker 2: into tequila?
[50:27] Speaker 4: It would be perfect. I think they could do so
[50:30] Speaker 4: many funny things, so many little spoofs, or just even
[50:35] Speaker 4: her in like a really like a floor length gown.
[50:39] Speaker 3: Like because because who says that tequila has to be anything?
[50:42] Speaker 3: It could be anything. Maybe she can thank you. That's
[50:47] Speaker 3: how I've always felt about tequila.
[50:49] Speaker 2: You have been terrified to say it until this podcast,
[50:51] Speaker 2: and you're so hot that you had to.
[50:53] Speaker 3: Say it, to say it's coming to Olivia. Definitely with
[50:58] Speaker 3: the tequila campaign, just because I want to see.
[51:00] Speaker 2: That billboard right right and we all want to see
[51:03] Speaker 2: that experiment? Will the brand tank? Do people trust Olivia
[51:07] Speaker 2: with tequila?
[51:08] Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they?
[51:09] Speaker 2: Because I don't really associate tequila with the British isles.
[51:14] Speaker 3: But that's what's fun about.
[51:15] Speaker 2: It, right? But fun or risky or risky, but sometimes
[51:19] Speaker 2: risky can be fun.
[51:20] Speaker 4: Wow, we learned a lesson all good things come with
[51:24] Speaker 4: a little bit of risk, right sort of. Okay, so
[51:27] Speaker 4: that's that. John Cougar Mellencamp. I'm such a big fan
[51:34] Speaker 4: of his library. I think that, okay, music is therapy.
[51:39] Speaker 4: So I would give him the chronic migraines because he
[51:42] Speaker 4: already has this sort of like therapeutic hobby, how interesting.
[51:47] Speaker 3: And career that he can help combat that, right.
[51:51] Speaker 2: And I mean and for me speaking personally, I mean,
[51:54] Speaker 2: I don't have chronic migraines, but I do have migraines,
[51:56] Speaker 2: and there's a good chance they come from Jack and
[51:58] Speaker 2: Diane maybe causing it because song is so bad that
[52:03] Speaker 2: it's done something to my brain that occasionally I can't
[52:05] Speaker 2: look at bright light right.
[52:07] Speaker 4: Well, okay, And then also what if he can have
[52:10] Speaker 4: he can sort of get at one of those commercials
[52:14] Speaker 4: about migrain medicines.
[52:16] Speaker 2: Oh interesting, and they can use the song become the
[52:19] Speaker 2: face and voice of chronic micro.
[52:22] Speaker 4: Exactly, so he can flip it, you know, turn all
[52:26] Speaker 4: of just like you turned your ability not to give
[52:29] Speaker 4: good gifts into this podcast.
[52:32] Speaker 2: Well and John CM, John Chronic Migraine, John Cougar Melank,
[52:38] Speaker 2: I think this makes perfect.
[52:39] Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yes, JCM.
[52:42] Speaker 4: And then they can play the infomercial like in between
[52:44] Speaker 4: the prices, right, like commercial breaks and stuff.
[52:47] Speaker 3: I feel like it's perfect.
[52:48] Speaker 2: This is perfect for John Coucker.
[52:51] Speaker 4: Okay, and then Bruce Bruce can have the tax stuff so.
[52:57] Speaker 2: Late in life to have that gift, what a waste.
[53:00] Speaker 4: Well, he can pass it on to his children, that's true.
[53:03] Speaker 4: Imagine you gather around by the fire, kids. Grandpa Bruce
[53:07] Speaker 4: is gonna, is he grandpa?
[53:08] Speaker 2: He's got he must be a grandpa, right, Grandpa.
[53:10] Speaker 4: Bruce is going to tell you exactly how that or
[53:12] Speaker 4: maybe he could leave it in his will.
[53:14] Speaker 2: Interesting, or so to write a book right.
[53:18] Speaker 4: About breaking down the American tax system. He'd be a legend. Yeah,
[53:21] Speaker 4: that's the legacy he leaves behind. Yes, finally somebody understands
[53:25] Speaker 4: what's going on with the American tax system. Yes, and
[53:28] Speaker 4: then everybody gets to do or one of his children.
[53:31] Speaker 4: Does he have more children than Laura or is it
[53:33] Speaker 4: just her?
[53:33] Speaker 3: Oh you looked not at it.
[53:35] Speaker 2: I was looking at anse because I just feel like
[53:37] Speaker 2: Analis has got the answer. Do you have any idea
[53:40] Speaker 2: to children?
[53:41] Speaker 1: Laura?
[53:42] Speaker 3: Interesting?
[53:43] Speaker 2: The other remain.
[53:44] Speaker 4: Yeah, we do love Laura though, Oh we gotta love her.
[53:48] Speaker 4: Wouldn't you want Laura to understand the tax system I have.
[53:51] Speaker 2: I need her to understand it.
[53:52] Speaker 4: Maybe then she would start like a new uh like
[53:56] Speaker 4: H and R block, but she becomes like a CPA.
[54:00] Speaker 2: She should play a CPA. I feel like that's right
[54:02] Speaker 2: up her ally.
[54:03] Speaker 4: That would be a great show in a session, but
[54:06] Speaker 4: interesting at a local tax office. Oh and then her dad,
[54:10] Speaker 4: Bruce can play her dad in the show. And he
[54:13] Speaker 4: has an understanding of the tax system. This is perfect,
[54:16] Speaker 4: and he passes that legacy onto Laura, and she's a
[54:18] Speaker 4: urgeoning CPA.
[54:20] Speaker 2: When the writers' strike ends, we're going to take meetings,
[54:22] Speaker 2: We're going to pitch the show. There we go, Laura
[54:26] Speaker 2: reached out, Is it Laura? Laura? I never understand with
[54:28] Speaker 2: Laura's you are saying Laura, Laura Dern, Laura Dern. I
[54:32] Speaker 2: would I love her so much, and I don't know
[54:33] Speaker 2: how to pronounce her name. That's so embarrassing. I better
[54:36] Speaker 2: Laura Dern. It's Laura Dern. Laura, Yeah, Laura Dern. What
[54:40] Speaker 2: am I thinking?
[54:41] Speaker 4: I thought it sounded questionable. I didn't want to embarrass you.
[54:45] Speaker 2: Laura Dern. I can't believe what I've done to you. Okay,
[54:49] Speaker 2: we've you played the game in a very interesting way
[54:52] Speaker 2: and I really appreciated it.
[54:53] Speaker 3: Wait, what's the right way to play?
[54:55] Speaker 2: There's no right way to play the game. Okay, it's
[54:57] Speaker 2: more it's a thought exercise. But nobody wants to have
[55:00] Speaker 2: a thought exercise. They want to have a game in
[55:03] Speaker 2: today's culture. They don't want a game.
[55:06] Speaker 4: The only thing I'll say about the word interesting is
[55:08] Speaker 4: it it's definitely giving more negative than positive.
[55:12] Speaker 3: But maybe that's my own trauma.
[55:14] Speaker 2: I didn't mean that.
[55:15] Speaker 3: Sometimes my mom will be like, that's interesting, and I'm like,
[55:17] Speaker 3: what does that mean? What do you mean? A lot
[55:19] Speaker 3: of people do that that's interesting.
[55:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, people will say, oh, it was interesting, but it's
[55:24] Speaker 2: not a compliment. We need to get interesting back into
[55:27] Speaker 2: the compliment category. Well, speaking of interesting, this is the
[55:32] Speaker 2: final segment of the podcast. It's called I said no emails.
[55:36] Speaker 2: The listener writes into I said no gifts at gmail
[55:38] Speaker 2: dot com. And they're interesting questions. They're interesting questions, and I, listener,
[55:45] Speaker 2: I want to open this, really, open this up, ask
[55:47] Speaker 2: it whatever you want. At this point, I don't even
[55:49] Speaker 2: care anymore. Usually they're problems in their lives, social problems.
[55:53] Speaker 2: This kind of thing. But I don't really care anymore.
[55:54] Speaker 2: I'll take any question. I've already assued. You're gonna help me?
[55:57] Speaker 2: Are you gonna help me? Yeah?
[55:58] Speaker 3: Sure, dull, but I think I remember what you said.
[56:02] Speaker 2: We had to pull you off the ground. Your body
[56:05] Speaker 2: is limp. This is Highbridger, and whoever your guest is,
[56:09] Speaker 2: that feels rude, That feels a little there's no compliment there, whatever,
[56:13] Speaker 2: but whatever, this is the letter, Yeah, Highbridger, and whoever
[56:16] Speaker 2: your guest is. Oh, my mom's sixtieth is two days
[56:21] Speaker 2: apart from my thirtieth this year. Obviously, I want all
[56:25] Speaker 2: eyes on my birthday. But all that seems unfair, Okay,
[56:29] Speaker 2: So I want to get her something nice. She likes
[56:32] Speaker 2: wine but drinks a bit too much and likes reading,
[56:35] Speaker 2: and honestly that's all she seems to like. Her and
[56:38] Speaker 2: my dad do keep bees, but it's more of my
[56:41] Speaker 2: dad's thing. So maybe something to get her excited about that.
[56:44] Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea. Thank you, Leoni, She her Leoni.
[56:51] Speaker 2: The big question is what is this relationship between mother
[56:54] Speaker 2: and daughter? This daughter is writing in and is you know,
[56:58] Speaker 2: kind of pointing the finger about the drinking. It is
[57:01] Speaker 2: obviously wants all of the birthday attention, knows next to
[57:06] Speaker 2: nothing about the mom. She knows she has maybe a
[57:08] Speaker 2: drinking problem in like story, Oh and be keeping, be keeping,
[57:12] Speaker 2: And that's more of the dance thing, right, So it
[57:16] Speaker 2: feels like Leone first of all, just wanted to announce
[57:20] Speaker 2: it's her thirtieth. Happy birthday, Leone, we love a birthday.
[57:23] Speaker 2: You're getting all of this attention, but also happy sixtieth
[57:26] Speaker 2: to your mom. We don't want to leave her out,
[57:29] Speaker 2: But how do we answer the question?
[57:30] Speaker 4: You know what's hard about this is they're both big years.
[57:34] Speaker 4: It's not like someone's like I'm turning twenty eight, I'm
[57:37] Speaker 4: turning thirty seven, right, or fifty seven big. They're milestones
[57:42] Speaker 4: thirty and sixty. So I kind of understand why she's like, well,
[57:46] Speaker 4: thirty is big too, thirty thirty you want to give
[57:49] Speaker 4: that up, right, I understand, But I mean the thing is,
[57:54] Speaker 4: why does one diminish the other?
[57:57] Speaker 3: Can it just be on a different day? Like one?
[57:59] Speaker 2: Zioni's very competitive. She wants to beat her mom. She
[58:02] Speaker 2: wants to beat her at this game. You know, it's
[58:04] Speaker 2: a she is.
[58:06] Speaker 3: The question what should she get her?
[58:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, she wants what do I get her that's basically drinking,
[58:12] Speaker 2: reading or bees? Is there a book about drinking and bees? Probably?
[58:17] Speaker 2: What do you buy a beekeeper? Maybe a cute bee
[58:19] Speaker 2: keeping suit?
[58:20] Speaker 4: See, I'm all about when I here's my philosophy on gifts.
[58:24] Speaker 3: Mine is all about experiences.
[58:26] Speaker 4: Oh sure, I'm not like, here's a you know, a
[58:29] Speaker 4: designer bag or whatever, like that's crazy as again first
[58:33] Speaker 4: of all, but I'm more about I'd love to take
[58:36] Speaker 4: you to, like, let's do a beekeeping class together.
[58:41] Speaker 3: How make a memory?
[58:42] Speaker 4: You know, so maybe they can go and have wine
[58:46] Speaker 4: at the bee society.
[58:50] Speaker 2: To me is what I would imagine. There's some sort
[58:52] Speaker 2: of bee society.
[58:53] Speaker 3: I mean, how fun would that be?
[58:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's she's because it sounds seems like it's
[58:57] Speaker 2: kind of the dad's thing, and this makes it kind
[58:59] Speaker 2: of fun for her her, it makes the mom kind
[59:02] Speaker 2: of enjoy it. I'm just beyond baffled why the thirtieth
[59:06] Speaker 2: birthday was even brought up here. It should not have
[59:08] Speaker 2: been brought up. She's confused us.
[59:10] Speaker 3: What do you mean?
[59:10] Speaker 2: Why is centering it on herself? She's trying to get
[59:12] Speaker 2: the mamma gift poke a hole in the best suit
[59:14] Speaker 2: and see what happens. That's an experience.
[59:17] Speaker 3: The truth comes the real measure comes out.
[59:20] Speaker 4: No, but I agree with you because that's why I'm
[59:22] Speaker 4: confused as to what is she asking?
[59:24] Speaker 2: Right?
[59:24] Speaker 4: Is she asking what to get her? She asking why
[59:28] Speaker 4: she has to do anything for her at all?
[59:30] Speaker 2: She's asking why are we so distant from each other?
[59:34] Speaker 2: Why do I not get along with mom?
[59:36] Speaker 3: You know what?
[59:36] Speaker 4: The mother daughter experience is a mystical creature.
[59:41] Speaker 2: It seems mystical to me.
[59:43] Speaker 4: It is so mystical, and I don't think I'll ever
[59:46] Speaker 4: understand it until I have a daughter.
[59:48] Speaker 2: It feels more fraught than other parent child relationships. I'd
[59:54] Speaker 2: say one. Is that true?
[59:56] Speaker 3: Oh yes, most.
[59:57] Speaker 2: Of the daughters I know, their relationship with their mother
[1:00:03] Speaker 2: is never just smooth sailing.
[1:00:06] Speaker 4: It's interesting, is what it is. It's kind of like,
[1:00:09] Speaker 4: it's not negative, it's not positive. It's just sort of
[1:00:13] Speaker 4: its own interesting thing.
[1:00:16] Speaker 2: Right right, I'll never be able to speak to it.
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: My mom and I get along perfectly? Oh jealous?
[1:00:23] Speaker 3: What is that like?
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: No?
[1:00:24] Speaker 3: I mean, my mom and I are great, but you know.
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: Today, don't count on that forever? Yeah? What are I mean? Leone?
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: The bee drink drink at the bee Society. There's got
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: to be a book about drinking and bees. Give her
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: a day off at the bee farm. I don't know.
[1:00:45] Speaker 4: But also, I mean, just you got to respect your
[1:00:50] Speaker 4: elders at this point in the game and just make
[1:00:52] Speaker 4: it all about your mom.
[1:00:53] Speaker 2: I think, what do you think is more a bigger
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: milestone thirtieth or sixtieth? I think sixty okay, interesting.
[1:01:00] Speaker 4: Well, I haven't made it there yet, so I'm not sure,
[1:01:02] Speaker 4: but it feels like it was big.
[1:01:04] Speaker 3: But then fifty fifty is kind of big.
[1:01:07] Speaker 2: Right, Fifty is a big one.
[1:01:09] Speaker 4: I would say maybe thirty and fifty are pretty big ones, right, Yeah,
[1:01:13] Speaker 4: I would say.
[1:01:13] Speaker 2: So, it's a good question. Sixty you've been around longer,
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: but I think at that point you've kind of figured
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: it out. Thirty you're just about to have to figure
[1:01:21] Speaker 2: it out.
[1:01:22] Speaker 3: When you're sixty. I'm gonna call you and be like,
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: did you figure it out?
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: No? Will I make it to sixty? It's anyone's guess. Oh,
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that on the podcasts.
[1:01:31] Speaker 3: Gonna be very mad at me that your mom will
[1:01:34] Speaker 3: be mad.
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: No, my boyfriend, whenever I talk about dying, he gets
[1:01:37] Speaker 2: very sensitive.
[1:01:39] Speaker 4: Well, yeah, can you imagine he's like, cool, cool, cool,
[1:01:44] Speaker 4: I don't care. Maybe leave it in the podcast how much? Well,
[1:01:51] Speaker 4: never mind, Well, I'm know. I was gonna say podcasting
[1:01:56] Speaker 4: is interesting because how many people say things and they're.
[1:02:01] Speaker 2: Like, oh, that's a good question. Not that many. I
[1:02:05] Speaker 2: mean I think that the medium does make people slightly
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: more comfortable because they're like, well, if I do say
[1:02:10] Speaker 2: something stupid, I can say after, oh I didn't mean
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: to say that, cut it out. It's not like live.
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: If we were going straight to an audience, I would
[1:02:18] Speaker 2: be freaking out right now. Yeah, but I've said heinous
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: things every episode on this podcast. I say horrible things,
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: just the worst, and you taking you cut it out
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: out to keep you know, to keep people on my side.
[1:02:31] Speaker 2: But every episode I say something that's just despicable. Wow,
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: And I've said, you know, listener doesn't know what I
[1:02:38] Speaker 2: said on this episode because I got cut out right.
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: But you agree it was the worst thing you had
[1:02:42] Speaker 2: ever heard.
[1:02:43] Speaker 3: It was pretty bad, you guys.
[1:02:45] Speaker 4: I am stressed that you've been asking to leave for
[1:02:50] Speaker 4: quite a while, Stressed.
[1:02:51] Speaker 3: That I'm in this person's backyard.
[1:02:54] Speaker 4: There's some sort of gait, there's a gate in loud garbage.
[1:02:59] Speaker 2: Try.
[1:03:00] Speaker 3: I don't know where I am. I'm delirious.
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: This goes back to the heat.
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: I think, Oh no, he's offered me water. I drank it.
[1:03:07] Speaker 3: Who knows what you didn't see.
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: Where the water came from. That's sewage. Okay, we answered
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: the question. I have my avocado. We've got to get
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: out of the heat. I want to get you out
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: of the heat. Thank you, thank you for being here.
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: This was such a wonderful time.
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: Thank you. You're a wonderful person. Aside from all the
[1:03:24] Speaker 3: things you said, no.
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: One will ever know. They'll be deleted and sent to
[1:03:28] Speaker 2: a digital graveyard. So no one came to me.
[1:03:33] Speaker 3: Nothing's ever deleted.
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: This is on some sort of server somewhere. The nssay's
[1:03:39] Speaker 2: got it. Uh yes, thank you for being here. Listener.
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: The episode's over. I'm dripping with sweat. I have to
[1:03:46] Speaker 2: assume that Onalise Analise is probably I mean, has been
[1:03:50] Speaker 2: basically sitting in the sun. My apologies to Analise. We're
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna end the podcast. We have to get
[1:03:55] Speaker 2: out of the heat. It's summer. Go do something nice
[1:03:58] Speaker 2: for yourself. I love you. I said, no gifts is
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: an exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend
[1:04:07] Speaker 2: Analise Nelson, and it's beautifully mixed by John Brandley. And
[1:04:10] Speaker 2: we couldn't do it without our guest booker, Patrick Kottner.
[1:04:14] Speaker 2: The theme song, of course, could only come from miracle
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: worker Amy Mann. You must follow the show on Instagram.
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: At I said, no gifts. I don't want to hear
[1:04:24] Speaker 2: any excuses. That's where you get to see pictures of
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't you want
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: to see pictures of the gifts?
[1:04:32] Speaker 3: Li invit? Did you hear.
[1:04:36] Speaker 1: Fun a man myself perfectly clear? When you're a guest
[1:04:41] Speaker 1: to you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests,
[1:04:51] Speaker 1: your presences presents enough and I'm already too much stuff.
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: So how do you dad disobey me

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