# Katriona O' Sullivan - "We all need to plan out the joy in our lives!"

An episode of [Brendan O'Connor](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1495060929), 24 Oct 2026, 26 min.

Audio: https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/c7d3b33c-f943-4afb-8665-b0b200e579f7/0b4f3022-f323-4188-80ec-b2ac0167b3d7/826594b1-453c-4f78-918e-b4ed00d755ce/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=fdac2904-a57e-4b42-8e2f-b2ac0167b3e5

Psychologist and author Professor Katriona O' Sullivan asks why aren't we having more fun?? She joins Brendan to talk about how joy and pleasure have taken a back seat in our modern world, and how we need to factor "joy planning" into our lives. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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