# Rihanna Told Me To Go Back

An episode of [Untraditionally Lala](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1494722390), 10 Jun 2026, 51 min.

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Amanda Frances, aka The Money Queen, shares the moment Rihanna told her to go back to RHOBH for her redemption. Plus, she opens up about filming during one of the hardest times of her life, what viewers didn’t see, and how she landed on Housewives in the first place. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hello, gorgeous.
[0:01] Speaker 2: It's La La Kent. Welcome to untraditionally, La La, Hello, gorgeous,
[0:07] Speaker 2: Welcome back to Untraditionally, La La. I am so hyped
[0:11] Speaker 2: beyond words. As you guys know, I am very specific
[0:15] Speaker 2: when it comes to my guests, but we also know
[0:18] Speaker 2: that I am a fiend when it comes to the
[0:21] Speaker 2: Real Housewives, especially Beverly Hills. And when they introduced this
[0:26] Speaker 2: new woman who was a part of the cast, all
[0:29] Speaker 2: you had to say to me was, she's a manifestor
[0:33] Speaker 2: teaches you how and she goes by the money queen
[0:36] Speaker 2: I have, Amanda Francis.
[0:38] Speaker 1: Welcome, Thank you for having me. You're so welcome on
[0:41] Speaker 1: an trout.
[0:42] Speaker 2: Well, I have to say so when you first stepped on,
[0:45] Speaker 2: because it's a very intimidating. I don't feel like you
[0:47] Speaker 2: get intimidated. No, not easily, not easily. And you can
[0:50] Speaker 2: tell you like you are solid in who you are
[0:54] Speaker 2: and I love that. But you rattled cages. And I
[0:58] Speaker 2: had dinner with Alex back asking who you know? Oh really,
[1:01] Speaker 2: and I said, how's it going? And I asked about you,
[1:04] Speaker 2: and he goes, let's just say this, we needed her,
[1:07] Speaker 2: and I was like, excellent, excellent.
[1:11] Speaker 1: I compliment, right, great, come outlets. I'll take that.
[1:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, take it. So I have to ask, what
[1:17] Speaker 2: was the first season like for you?
[1:20] Speaker 1: Awful? Like I think it's weird that we're supposed to
[1:22] Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, you know, it was a learning
[1:24] Speaker 1: and growing it's not very much fun. You did not
[1:27] Speaker 1: have fun, not like I can think of a few
[1:30] Speaker 1: singular moments while filming that I'm like, Okay, I was laughing,
[1:33] Speaker 1: that was fun. I was getting to know someone, I
[1:35] Speaker 1: was connecting with someone like that was enjoyable. But no,
[1:38] Speaker 1: did it look like I was having fun? Very often?
[1:40] Speaker 2: It did? Not know And I know it's a very
[1:43] Speaker 2: silly question and a stupid question, but no, it's like
[1:47] Speaker 2: a required question, but like air question. But it didn't
[1:50] Speaker 2: look fun.
[1:50] Speaker 3: No.
[1:50] Speaker 1: The pr response would be that I'm grateful for the
[1:53] Speaker 1: opportunity and whatever, But I'm like, no, that was miserable.
[1:55] Speaker 2: You know, not go back.
[1:57] Speaker 1: Well, we haven't decided, you know. Rihanna DMed me. Shut
[2:00] Speaker 1: the fuck.
[2:01] Speaker 2: Out of way. Hold on, this is a whole podcast
[2:05] Speaker 2: in itself.
[2:06] Speaker 1: What did she say? She said, come back, we need you.
[2:11] Speaker 1: You will get your redemption, trust me. I know. Bagg
[2:15] Speaker 1: reb herself.
[2:16] Speaker 2: If I had pearls, I'd be a clutching what.
[2:20] Speaker 1: I know you too?
[2:22] Speaker 2: Well.
[2:23] Speaker 1: It definitely swayed me a little, it really did, and Eddie,
[2:27] Speaker 1: so Eddie didn't think I should go back, and my
[2:29] Speaker 1: husband because he's just worried, he's concerned.
[2:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes up.
[2:33] Speaker 1: The show takes up not just a lot of your time,
[2:35] Speaker 1: but a lot of your psychological space. And that's something
[2:37] Speaker 1: that's really hard to understand, probably if you haven't been
[2:39] Speaker 1: through it. But like, I'm someone who likes to figure
[2:42] Speaker 1: things out, make sense of things, wrap my head around things.
[2:45] Speaker 1: I couldn't wrap my head around what it was like
[2:47] Speaker 1: the whole season, like what is my job here?
[2:49] Speaker 2: Totally?
[2:50] Speaker 1: Are we getting to know each other and bonding or
[2:52] Speaker 1: are we like doing secret strategy takedowns? Like what is this?
[2:57] Speaker 1: And I don't watch Bravo. I didn't really know a lot.
[3:00] Speaker 1: And maybe I should have, but probably not, because then
[3:03] Speaker 1: I would have I would have probably said no. If
[3:05] Speaker 1: I would have thought my job was to have takedowns
[3:07] Speaker 1: or whatnot, I would have said, I'm not taking them.
[3:09] Speaker 1: Other women, it's just not who I am. I'm not
[3:11] Speaker 1: even be able to pretend to be that because I'm
[3:14] Speaker 1: not that you know, then, how did you.
[3:16] Speaker 2: Fall into it? If you didn't watch Bravo.
[3:19] Speaker 1: I bought Kyle's house like December of twenty twenty one,
[3:24] Speaker 1: and it's like I had just done a few episodes
[3:26] Speaker 1: on Selling Sunset when I bought Kyle's house, So like
[3:29] Speaker 1: Reality Show World was like on my mind and I
[3:33] Speaker 1: had in the very back of my head, wouldn't be
[3:35] Speaker 1: interesting if this led to something someday. I was not
[3:38] Speaker 1: thinking I will be on a show with Kyle Richards.
[3:40] Speaker 2: Would you call that manifesting in that moment?
[3:43] Speaker 1: Oh, let's tell the whole story. Then, let's tell the
[3:47] Speaker 1: whole story.
[3:48] Speaker 2: I'm trying to learn.
[3:49] Speaker 1: Okay, No, can I like I can be really woo
[3:52] Speaker 1: woo like your audience.
[3:53] Speaker 2: I'm a woo woo weird.
[3:54] Speaker 1: Okay, let's be weird. No, so I move into Kyle's house.
[3:57] Speaker 1: I think that's interesting because at the time I am
[4:00] Speaker 1: manifesting reality television, I am I do really deeply believe.
[4:03] Speaker 1: Like the first time I ever wrote in one of
[4:05] Speaker 1: my desires lists, I make these like lists of what
[4:07] Speaker 1: I'm manifesting. Okay, the first time I ever wrote down
[4:09] Speaker 1: reality show was like twenty sixteen, So I mean like
[4:14] Speaker 1: this has been something I believed I would have or
[4:16] Speaker 1: create at some point forever. So I buy Kyle's house.
[4:20] Speaker 1: I had just done selling Sunset. I'm thinking, like what
[4:23] Speaker 1: I believe I meant to be on television? What does
[4:25] Speaker 1: that mean for me? What does that look like? I
[4:27] Speaker 1: don't really know. But I went and saw an energy
[4:30] Speaker 1: hiller who felt like she should clear the vibes from
[4:34] Speaker 1: the house. She's like, a lot has been filmed there,
[4:36] Speaker 1: a lot has gone on there, like let me do
[4:38] Speaker 1: a clearing of the house. And then she said, there
[4:41] Speaker 1: are gifts for you inside of this house. There are
[4:43] Speaker 1: like energetic like like impartations like knowing, like knowledge like
[4:49] Speaker 1: the who this person had never seen the show, whoever
[4:52] Speaker 1: lived there before you is leaving like gifts for you,
[4:55] Speaker 1: like information for you around how to be on televis,
[5:00] Speaker 1: be a businesswoman, have kids? Like the person who lived
[5:03] Speaker 1: here before you knows things that you're going to need
[5:05] Speaker 1: to know.
[5:05] Speaker 2: Wow.
[5:06] Speaker 1: And I was just like I know nothing about the
[5:08] Speaker 1: Kyle or to showed it. I'm just thinking like, well,
[5:10] Speaker 1: that's interesting, Like I'll take the like we call that
[5:12] Speaker 1: codes right, like yeah, like have you heard the phrase
[5:15] Speaker 1: before the phrase codes mean like people say, I have
[5:19] Speaker 1: the money codes all the time, Like I have a
[5:21] Speaker 1: lot of innate knowing and understanding around the energy of money.
[5:23] Speaker 1: That's like how okay it would be described. They're saying,
[5:26] Speaker 1: the person before you had some like codes, some knowledge,
[5:29] Speaker 1: some something that you're going to pick up on by
[5:31] Speaker 1: living here, and that's going to mean something to you.
[5:33] Speaker 1: That would be the woo, the like the wou side
[5:36] Speaker 1: of what happens.
[5:36] Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with everything that's happening right now.
[5:38] Speaker 1: Okay, So when I forget about that, like you you
[5:41] Speaker 1: like an energy hill Hiller tells you that, you say, fine,
[5:43] Speaker 1: but then like, I'm not thinking about that all the
[5:44] Speaker 1: time totally right, So I forget about this for years,
[5:49] Speaker 1: Like years go by. I still believe that someday I'll
[5:51] Speaker 1: be on television that I meant to that there's something
[5:53] Speaker 1: there for me. I don't know what. It'll be a
[5:55] Speaker 1: lot of dolls. I guess I'm like not actively manifesting it.
[5:59] Speaker 1: But it's like it's like what I call holding on
[6:02] Speaker 1: loosely when you believe, like you've put the intention out
[6:05] Speaker 1: there like it's in the ethers. You think it's your destiny,
[6:09] Speaker 1: but you don't.
[6:11] Speaker 2: Like.
[6:11] Speaker 1: An active manifestation is when I like, I believe I
[6:13] Speaker 1: can have this and I can have it this month.
[6:16] Speaker 1: And for me, it's like God, Angel's universe, like what
[6:18] Speaker 1: would you have me do to create this? Now it's
[6:20] Speaker 1: like a very like active manifestation. Okay, this wasn't that.
[6:23] Speaker 1: This was like I believe it all happen someday. Let's see.
[6:26] Speaker 1: I thought the television part of my life would come
[6:29] Speaker 1: way way later, like when my kids weren't little, Like,
[6:31] Speaker 1: this is not something I thought I would do. I
[6:33] Speaker 1: have like two under two at home, right, that's crazy.
[6:37] Speaker 1: So then one day I get a text message a
[6:40] Speaker 1: girl who is in my courses who credits me for
[6:44] Speaker 1: her success. She's an entertainment attorney and like the way
[6:48] Speaker 1: I helped her believe in herself, believe that she was
[6:51] Speaker 1: worthy of money and business in life, she wanted like
[6:53] Speaker 1: she credits me with who she is today. She got
[6:56] Speaker 1: a call from a casting agent that she knows, and
[7:00] Speaker 1: they're like, do you know anyone that would want to
[7:01] Speaker 1: be in our house is Beverly Hills, And she's like,
[7:03] Speaker 1: one person's coming to mind. She bought Kyle's house and
[7:06] Speaker 1: the casting agent was like that's a great connection. Would
[7:09] Speaker 1: she do it? And she was like, probably not, but
[7:11] Speaker 1: I can. I can text. She texted my friend Kara.
[7:14] Speaker 1: She's like, I know someone who knows her. Let me text. Yeah,
[7:17] Speaker 1: so Kara. She texts Kara. Kara texts me. I say no,
[7:21] Speaker 1: I don't want to fight with other women on television.
[7:23] Speaker 1: Are you mean nuts? And then she said Lauren, that's
[7:26] Speaker 1: the entertainment attorney. Lauren says, just get on the phone
[7:29] Speaker 1: with her and the casting agent, like, just do a
[7:31] Speaker 1: quick call. I was like, okay, now it goes yeah,
[7:33] Speaker 1: check the vibes. But it goes so fast from there.
[7:37] Speaker 1: You do the phone call, they say, well, let's just
[7:39] Speaker 1: shoot like the casting tape. You shoot the casting tape.
[7:43] Speaker 1: They say, well, why don't you just have a conversation
[7:44] Speaker 1: with the showrunner. You have a conversation with the showrunner.
[7:47] Speaker 1: You're the text or an email at that point that
[7:49] Speaker 1: said can you come into NBC Universal for a final meeting?
[7:53] Speaker 1: Wonderful And the next thing you know, your real housewife
[7:55] Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills.
[7:56] Speaker 2: It's great.
[7:57] Speaker 1: But that whole like from the text message to I
[8:00] Speaker 1: need a film at Jennifer Tilly's house was like two
[8:05] Speaker 1: and a half weeks.
[8:06] Speaker 2: Wow.
[8:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a whole different summer plan last summer.
[8:10] Speaker 1: We had our beach house in Newport. We were gonna
[8:11] Speaker 1: spend the whole summer in Newport. I wasn't gonna go
[8:13] Speaker 1: back to LA at all all summer. So it was
[8:15] Speaker 1: like this, it was this dream I had created. I
[8:18] Speaker 1: always had this like manifestation, this like dream of We'll
[8:21] Speaker 1: have our summer on Nantucket or Martha's Vineyard or the
[8:24] Speaker 1: Hampton's and I had been to all those places, but
[8:26] Speaker 1: that's really hard when you live in LA. Right, Yes,
[8:28] Speaker 1: But then I discovered your kids in travel it's a lot.
[8:32] Speaker 1: I discovered a little island in Newport where we now
[8:35] Speaker 1: have a home, like we I signed a year lease,
[8:38] Speaker 1: and so it was the summer of the year lease, right,
[8:40] Speaker 1: And I was like just not going to leave Newport
[8:42] Speaker 1: all summer. And I was like, I'm going to drive
[8:44] Speaker 1: back to LA to film like god knows how many
[8:47] Speaker 1: times a week, multiple, Right. So yeah, I'm like a
[8:50] Speaker 1: little irritated about that. So there's part of me going, Amanda,
[8:53] Speaker 1: this is a unique opportunity. This is something that doesn't
[8:56] Speaker 1: happen to everyone. This is something you have been manifesting.
[8:59] Speaker 1: You probably wouldn't have pick Housewives, but you would have
[9:01] Speaker 1: picked like like a ver you knew a version of
[9:04] Speaker 1: this was going to be in your life, like you
[9:07] Speaker 1: have to seize the day on it, Like what I like,
[9:09] Speaker 1: who's are you going to say?
[9:10] Speaker 2: No? Well? And that's but I'm also in this stage
[9:15] Speaker 2: of life where it's just everything's a yes, because I'm like,
[9:19] Speaker 2: why is where I get woo? I'm like, everything is
[9:23] Speaker 2: for a reason.
[9:24] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[9:24] Speaker 2: Timing does not happen by mistake. So if something is
[9:28] Speaker 2: entering my life and maybe I have another plan, there's
[9:31] Speaker 2: a reason why it's happening, and I'm not supposed to
[9:34] Speaker 2: go do that other thing that I had planned.
[9:37] Speaker 1: They have theories on this. There's a book on this
[9:39] Speaker 1: called the Year of Yes. Yeah, there's this theory where
[9:44] Speaker 1: see what happens when you just say yes to everything
[9:46] Speaker 1: and see what it creates? Like see what the universe
[9:49] Speaker 1: is presenting you?
[9:49] Speaker 2: Right?
[9:50] Speaker 1: Yeah? No, the people I know who've tried this theory
[9:52] Speaker 1: have loved what it created for them.
[9:54] Speaker 2: Well, I know that your experience on Housewives this season
[9:58] Speaker 2: was not great, No, but a watcher fabulous.
[10:03] Speaker 1: Thank you tell me why it was fabulous?
[10:06] Speaker 2: Because you definitely rubbed people the wrong way, which is
[10:11] Speaker 2: very fun to watch.
[10:12] Speaker 1: Okay, right, people, but yeah, like why are they triggered?
[10:15] Speaker 1: Like what has happened?
[10:16] Speaker 2: I mean the people in the group. Yes, I'm kind
[10:18] Speaker 2: of off, like the social media of it all. So
[10:22] Speaker 2: I don't know what the feedback was from, like viewers.
[10:26] Speaker 2: I just know what I was watching, and I know
[10:29] Speaker 2: what I like to watch, and when I'm consuming Bravo,
[10:31] Speaker 2: I know why I'm there, which is to have a
[10:33] Speaker 2: strong personality enter the group and have feathers be fucking ruffled.
[10:39] Speaker 1: And why is that fun?
[10:41] Speaker 2: It's just an addiction and it's part of the Bravo universe.
[10:44] Speaker 2: There's just something iconic and wonderful about it, and moments
[10:48] Speaker 2: that maybe right then are like ooh, or I wish
[10:52] Speaker 2: I wouldn't have done that. Later on become like the
[10:55] Speaker 2: most iconic television on the planet, and we love to
[10:59] Speaker 2: see the rise and fall of people. It sounds toxic,
[11:03] Speaker 2: and it is. It is. It's a very toxic way
[11:05] Speaker 2: of thinking, right, but it always comes full circle. So
[11:10] Speaker 2: if you were misunderstood by the group this time, I think,
[11:14] Speaker 2: how wonderful that it happened your first season because it
[11:16] Speaker 2: wasn't want to go go it up? Right?
[11:18] Speaker 1: I think it was. Yes, I think it was a
[11:19] Speaker 1: rough first season that ended on a high note. Yes,
[11:22] Speaker 1: I had a great reunion.
[11:23] Speaker 2: The reunion was great.
[11:24] Speaker 1: I felt like there was resolution reunion. To me, it
[11:28] Speaker 1: felt like I just knew how to exist in that
[11:31] Speaker 1: world and still be me. Because here's what I'm thinking
[11:34] Speaker 1: at the dinner tables while we were still filming. I'm thinking, like,
[11:37] Speaker 1: I'm not gonna yell at you. I'm not going to
[11:39] Speaker 1: cuss you out. I'm not going to get all dysregulated.
[11:41] Speaker 1: That's not who I am. So how do I stand
[11:44] Speaker 1: up to you while still being me? Because the way
[11:46] Speaker 1: you guys stand up to each other is not making
[11:49] Speaker 1: any sense to me, Like that's it's just not right.
[11:51] Speaker 2: I'm the type of person where I get two finger
[11:55] Speaker 2: guns in your face and start going fucking I'm trying.
[11:58] Speaker 2: That makes great television blackout, Well, if only it happened
[12:02] Speaker 2: just on top of the shut That's just who I am, bab.
[12:06] Speaker 2: But I did enjoy watching just I find also with
[12:14] Speaker 2: watching reality TV is how perspective is just the end
[12:19] Speaker 2: all be all of most relationships that we form. Something
[12:24] Speaker 2: can happen and the way you look at it or
[12:27] Speaker 2: hear it is going to be completely different from the
[12:30] Speaker 2: person that you're having the conversation with. So that dynamic
[12:33] Speaker 2: between like you, Dree, You and Bose which was crazy
[12:36] Speaker 2: and I want to dive into. There's so much I
[12:38] Speaker 2: want to die, like my mind million miles an hour.
[12:41] Speaker 2: I just liked watching you, and it was it's very
[12:45] Speaker 2: rare that you can have someone for me on TV
[12:48] Speaker 2: where you don't get dysregulated, but you still have my
[12:51] Speaker 2: attention here.
[12:52] Speaker 1: I am right, yeah, I mean, I don't know how
[12:56] Speaker 1: else to be. But what I liked about the night
[13:00] Speaker 1: in Italy, I call it the ping Pong pizza dinner
[13:02] Speaker 1: in my head because we're eating pizza and I learned
[13:04] Speaker 1: how to play ping pong meaning energetic ping pong meaning
[13:07] Speaker 1: no matter what you throw at or conversation, whatever, no
[13:10] Speaker 1: matter what you throw at me, I'm gonna throw it
[13:11] Speaker 1: back to you. Because what was happening at the dinner
[13:13] Speaker 1: tables was people were saying shit to me, and I
[13:15] Speaker 1: was like, I don't care that much about what Dari
[13:19] Speaker 1: thinks of me. I don't know what even to say
[13:21] Speaker 1: right now other than I didn't mean to harm you.
[13:22] Speaker 1: To eat and I want the best for you, which
[13:23] Speaker 1: is not good television. Right by that dinner, we were
[13:26] Speaker 1: all eating pizza and Bo's does the whole your life
[13:29] Speaker 1: is not pure, you are not being honest about your
[13:31] Speaker 1: life or whatever, and I'm like going back and forth
[13:34] Speaker 1: with her. By that night I was like, I can
[13:36] Speaker 1: do this. I just say whatever is true, whatever is real,
[13:40] Speaker 1: and whatever. I just say whatever I really feel without
[13:44] Speaker 1: insulting and yelling and name calling because that will never
[13:46] Speaker 1: be me. And that night I was like, Okay, I
[13:48] Speaker 1: did it. Like I found my therapist and Kyle and
[13:53] Speaker 1: multiple people were like mentioned this idea of like television,
[13:58] Speaker 1: Amanda like me and Kyle had to come over station
[14:00] Speaker 1: where she told me about like TV Kyle handles it
[14:03] Speaker 1: a little bit different than Kyle. Kyle Kyle handles it.
[14:06] Speaker 1: And my therapist was kind of hitting out the same thing,
[14:08] Speaker 1: like regular you isn't really what is probably going to
[14:12] Speaker 1: be the end result here, It's going to be a
[14:14] Speaker 1: you on TV that is still real. And by that
[14:17] Speaker 1: night I felt like I got it, And so by
[14:19] Speaker 1: the reunion, I was like, say anything to me. I'll
[14:22] Speaker 1: just tell you what I think about it. It doesn't
[14:24] Speaker 1: mean it's true. It doesn't mean it's real. It doesn't
[14:26] Speaker 1: mean you can harm me.
[14:27] Speaker 2: Right, you know what I mean?
[14:28] Speaker 1: Because early in the season, I'm like, are you trying
[14:30] Speaker 1: to hurt me? Like you just met me? What have
[14:33] Speaker 1: I done to you? I don't get what we're doing here.
[14:37] Speaker 1: By the reunion, I was like, people are going to
[14:38] Speaker 1: try to bring up dirt. That's the show, So ping
[14:41] Speaker 1: pong it back without because it'll never be be me
[14:45] Speaker 1: without trying to take them down.
[14:47] Speaker 2: Totally, because I just and it's a fine line.
[14:49] Speaker 1: I just can't. I just don't want any I don't
[14:51] Speaker 1: want to see another woman go down because it's something
[14:53] Speaker 1: I brought up on a show.
[14:54] Speaker 2: I totally get that.
[14:55] Speaker 1: That's like not going to be the thing I do.
[14:57] Speaker 2: Who would you say you were? Obviously you and Bose
[15:02] Speaker 2: were not connecting.
[15:04] Speaker 1: Any stupidest thing about that, like really annoying is I
[15:08] Speaker 1: don't think that's accurate. I think that is almost a
[15:12] Speaker 1: result of television. Because the first time I sat down
[15:16] Speaker 1: with Bose, it was that lunch with me and Bose
[15:18] Speaker 1: and Deuritte, and I was encouraging dread right, and like,
[15:23] Speaker 1: why no one thinks I'm a financial planner?
[15:26] Speaker 2: Right?
[15:26] Speaker 1: Like no one thought I was going to give her
[15:28] Speaker 1: advice on like what you know how that She's like,
[15:30] Speaker 1: what is this fru freu mess? Like no one thinks
[15:32] Speaker 1: I'm a financial planner. I was encouraging her that if
[15:34] Speaker 1: you don't know what's in savings and you don't know
[15:36] Speaker 1: what's investments, and you don't know like what's going on
[15:38] Speaker 1: with your money, like get your head on straight, Like
[15:40] Speaker 1: who are you going to be? Where you going to decide?
[15:42] Speaker 1: What outcome do you want?
[15:43] Speaker 3: Here?
[15:44] Speaker 1: Like it was a great talk and in real life
[15:45] Speaker 1: boss going amen, Yeah, she was agreeing with me as
[15:49] Speaker 1: I'm encouraging Deriat. And then Bose and I are quoting
[15:51] Speaker 1: Bible verses back and forth to each other, and we're
[15:54] Speaker 1: talking about manifestation from a biblical perspective because honestly, we
[15:58] Speaker 1: have a lot in common with our Christian backgrounds. Right,
[16:02] Speaker 1: So Bose and I actually got along like great. And
[16:04] Speaker 1: I think if there was no show without the show
[16:07] Speaker 1: of it all, I think like I would have loved
[16:10] Speaker 1: to hear more about what her badass Bo's workshop thing
[16:13] Speaker 1: had been about and how it was going, and if
[16:15] Speaker 1: she had run outs and if she was doing email market,
[16:17] Speaker 1: Like there's parts of me as the online entrepreneur that
[16:21] Speaker 1: would have had so many questions and so many felt
[16:23] Speaker 1: like I think there was just probably common ground, and
[16:27] Speaker 1: it felt like it got all distorted. It seems like
[16:29] Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be that way.
[16:30] Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Yes, but there's two things
[16:33] Speaker 2: happening at once. And I always say you have to
[16:34] Speaker 2: when you enter this world, you have to be able
[16:36] Speaker 2: to separate reality from reality because even though what goes
[16:41] Speaker 2: on on the show is very much real life, right
[16:43] Speaker 2: these things and conversations are happening, there's.
[16:46] Speaker 1: Your real response to the situation you really are in
[16:49] Speaker 1: one that it's not your real life, because these are
[16:52] Speaker 1: my real life.
[16:53] Speaker 2: I go home to two children, you go home to
[16:56] Speaker 2: four children, and it's just as different. How do you
[17:00] Speaker 2: let the worlds bleed into each other? It can become
[17:03] Speaker 2: very suffocating. Yeah, So back to what your therapist said,
[17:06] Speaker 2: and Kyle, when I step into film, I have to
[17:09] Speaker 2: do the exact same thing because it's self preservation. It
[17:12] Speaker 2: is not normal to go into a group of women
[17:15] Speaker 2: where you guys all have very strong personalities and then
[17:19] Speaker 2: you allow a bunch of random people who are watching
[17:21] Speaker 2: to then insert their opinion. You have totally some sort
[17:26] Speaker 2: of like you got to become a Sasha fears like beyond.
[17:30] Speaker 1: Right, all of that you just said true, And then
[17:32] Speaker 1: there's so many other layers that, like it's really hard
[17:34] Speaker 1: to wrap your head around. There's producers, you know, with
[17:37] Speaker 1: spring things in people ear like I'm not even saying
[17:39] Speaker 1: in a manipulative way, just in keeping storylines moving forward,
[17:42] Speaker 1: Like remember how you felt when you saw dury last
[17:45] Speaker 1: might be said to you. Remember you said this and
[17:47] Speaker 1: she said this, might be said to you as you're
[17:49] Speaker 1: walking into like film again, Like that also doesn't happen
[17:52] Speaker 1: in real life. In real life, we're probably getting over
[17:55] Speaker 1: things and processing battles. Yeah, totally of picking my battles, right,
[18:00] Speaker 1: So that's different. And then also interviews, interviews don't happen
[18:04] Speaker 1: in real life.
[18:05] Speaker 2: You don't get Andy's notes in real life.
[18:08] Speaker 1: For the next interview.
[18:09] Speaker 2: Here's your cue, car, I'm gonna ask you all of
[18:11] Speaker 2: these questions.
[18:13] Speaker 1: I so all of these layers, and then media and
[18:16] Speaker 1: then social media and then reddit and fan opinions. Yeah,
[18:20] Speaker 1: this creates this very interesting thing, right, so.
[18:23] Speaker 2: You have all of that going on, but then which
[18:27] Speaker 2: is very much real life, But then we watch as
[18:31] Speaker 2: your actual real life comes into play while filming, which
[18:35] Speaker 2: is the passing of your child, which I'm not gonna stop. Sorry,
[18:41] Speaker 2: I don't know why that just came to me, Like
[18:47] Speaker 2: how how were you able to be like, I'm going
[18:50] Speaker 2: to go and film with this group while hitting a
[18:56] Speaker 2: day of just like the ultimate morning.
[19:00] Speaker 1: Well, I was really naive, so I hadn't had any
[19:05] Speaker 1: negativity yet. No one had thrown anything at me yet.
[19:09] Speaker 1: I had not had one like accusation Amanda tell me
[19:11] Speaker 1: about this. So I knew logically that that kind of
[19:15] Speaker 1: thing happened on this show, but I didn't think it
[19:17] Speaker 1: would be coming at me. Kyle said something to me like,
[19:21] Speaker 1: get your mind off it. Come to the dinner. I
[19:23] Speaker 1: made sure all the producers knew what day. It was,
[19:26] Speaker 1: like everyone knew and then you know, you didn't see it.
[19:29] Speaker 1: But Erica came up to me early that night and said,
[19:32] Speaker 1: what's going on with you? And I said, you know,
[19:34] Speaker 1: it's anniversary of Zion Staff I told her. So it's
[19:36] Speaker 1: not like it was a secret, So it's not like
[19:39] Speaker 1: the whole I don't know people act like I was
[19:41] Speaker 1: withholding it then using it as leverage.
[19:44] Speaker 2: You said at the very beginning of the season, when
[19:46] Speaker 2: like the audience really met you.
[19:50] Speaker 1: Oh, I told everyone straight away a child, Yeah, because
[19:53] Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a what's the phrase, like
[19:56] Speaker 1: elephant in the room or something. It's like I find
[19:58] Speaker 1: in new relationships. I don't know if I do it
[20:00] Speaker 1: correctly or not, but sometimes when I'm meeting someone for
[20:02] Speaker 1: the first time or forming a friendship that I think's
[20:05] Speaker 1: going to be in my life, I tell them about
[20:08] Speaker 1: Zion Kinder early on, because if I don't let someone
[20:11] Speaker 1: know early on, then there's this awkward moment where I
[20:14] Speaker 1: mentioned that I had a twin pregnancy and they know
[20:16] Speaker 1: I don't have a twin right right, So I kind
[20:19] Speaker 1: of just tell people like as soon as it comes up.
[20:23] Speaker 1: It makes it easier going forward. They don't accidentally say
[20:26] Speaker 1: something like hurtful later, you.
[20:29] Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
[20:30] Speaker 1: So that's what I do. So I told all the
[20:31] Speaker 1: women the very first night. I thought, Okay, well, now
[20:34] Speaker 1: everyone knows. So later when pregnancies come up, kids come up,
[20:38] Speaker 1: like I was still still that it was less than
[20:40] Speaker 1: two years old. We're filming like she's only a year
[20:42] Speaker 1: and a half, so I'm still technically postpartum, right, yeah,
[20:44] Speaker 1: So I'm just thinking like, no, matter what happens from here,
[20:46] Speaker 1: everyone knows. And then filming on the anniversary of the death.
[20:50] Speaker 1: I really thought would be fine because nothing had occurred yet.
[20:53] Speaker 1: I didn't know that someone was saying to Sutton, Hey, Sutton,
[20:57] Speaker 1: go tell to read what Amanda said, when Amanda never
[20:59] Speaker 1: really said anything, right, you know, I feel kind of
[21:02] Speaker 1: set up on that night, honestly.
[21:04] Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's where it does, because when you're dealing
[21:10] Speaker 2: with something like that, which is very much your real life,
[21:12] Speaker 2: you're still showing up and having to film what's going
[21:16] Speaker 2: on within the group, and like, we know you're going
[21:17] Speaker 2: through something, but like, remember that dinner you guys had,
[21:20] Speaker 2: We're gonna need to talk about what was said there.
[21:22] Speaker 2: And that's like during that dinner, I didn't understand why
[21:28] Speaker 2: anyone thought that you were like pulling that out at
[21:31] Speaker 2: the perfect time, because when you said I'm hanging on
[21:33] Speaker 2: by a thread, I just could see it.
[21:35] Speaker 1: In your eyes and hang by a thread?
[21:36] Speaker 2: Oh, could you really want to be hanging on by
[21:38] Speaker 2: a thread?
[21:38] Speaker 1: And it's just the timing of it, right, Like I
[21:40] Speaker 1: go talk to the psychic. I headed off with the psychic. Angie,
[21:44] Speaker 1: She's I still know her. She's wonderful. I headed off
[21:46] Speaker 1: with the psychic. I asked her if she's getting anything
[21:49] Speaker 1: for me about Zion. I think maybe there's a chance
[21:51] Speaker 1: there's a message, right, like, wouldn't that be beautiful?
[21:53] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[21:54] Speaker 1: Nothing comes through. So I'm crying, and then I go
[21:57] Speaker 1: cry in the bathroom and then I dry my tears.
[21:59] Speaker 1: I sit at the time the second I set down.
[22:01] Speaker 1: Derey is like Amanda, like I, and so when I'm
[22:04] Speaker 1: saying to her, it's not a good day, I cannot
[22:06] Speaker 1: even wrap my head around what you're saying. It's because
[22:09] Speaker 1: I couldn't even wrap my head around what she was saying,
[22:10] Speaker 1: like I need to be let's table it right, because listen,
[22:14] Speaker 1: had I formed some really strong opinion about Durte and
[22:17] Speaker 1: her ex and whatever, and it was an opinion I
[22:19] Speaker 1: was holding or whatever, I probably would have been prepared
[22:21] Speaker 1: to talk about it. But I didn't remember saying anything
[22:24] Speaker 1: bad about her. So then I spend the whole rest
[22:27] Speaker 1: of the season worried that I said something horrible about
[22:30] Speaker 1: Durrete at Kathy's house that I'm not remembering right, and
[22:33] Speaker 1: now the fans are going to see what I actually said.
[22:35] Speaker 1: And then I watched the scene at Kathy's and I
[22:37] Speaker 1: didn't say anything when you.
[22:40] Speaker 2: I remembered it, right.
[22:41] Speaker 1: I remembered it perfectly right.
[22:43] Speaker 2: The worst feeling where you're like, I feel like I'm
[22:45] Speaker 2: being guessed, and then you start I feel.
[22:47] Speaker 1: Like crazy, did I see something?
[22:49] Speaker 2: Like now I already.
[22:51] Speaker 1: Love what because now I satched? Now I feel great.
[22:54] Speaker 1: Well now that we had that situation at Kathy's with Deret,
[22:56] Speaker 1: and then there was one thing with Rachel and I
[22:58] Speaker 1: guess like three things with bows between and like the
[23:00] Speaker 1: mask and the I'd lose money on my course, whatever
[23:05] Speaker 1: the mom thing. By the time we got through the reunion,
[23:08] Speaker 1: I was like Amanda France's you remembered everything right. Actually,
[23:12] Speaker 1: you trust yourself like you trust yourself like none of
[23:15] Speaker 1: us remembers everything perfectly ever, but you remember how you
[23:19] Speaker 1: felt and you remember what the energy of the moment was.
[23:22] Speaker 1: Like trust that, but like we don't normally have cameras
[23:27] Speaker 1: to validate whether we remember it right.
[23:28] Speaker 2: It's so wonderful. So well, it's wonderful roll the tape,
[23:32] Speaker 2: but it was wonderful in.
[23:33] Speaker 1: My case because I was trying to remember things accurately
[23:35] Speaker 1: and I was always trying to tell the truth. So
[23:37] Speaker 1: when I did remember things accurately. It was like trust yourself.
[23:41] Speaker 2: You know. Once it aired. Did you get a message
[23:44] Speaker 2: or anything from Deury?
[23:45] Speaker 3: No?
[23:46] Speaker 2: Are you guys okay after the reunion?
[23:48] Speaker 1: I haven't talked. I don't think thinking about each other.
[23:50] Speaker 2: Are you contact with anybody?
[23:52] Speaker 1: Do you think me and read are sitting around thinking
[23:53] Speaker 1: about one of the.
[23:55] Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what the girls of
[23:57] Speaker 2: BAH are sitting around thinking about.
[23:59] Speaker 1: No, I've seen I saw Kathy. Kathy and I have
[24:04] Speaker 1: her grandkids and my kids are in the same school.
[24:08] Speaker 1: Three of her grandkids and my two youngest kids go
[24:10] Speaker 1: to the same school.
[24:10] Speaker 2: Right.
[24:11] Speaker 1: So I was at Kathy's for her grandson's birthday party,
[24:14] Speaker 1: super cute, and Kathy and I talked about all kinds
[24:17] Speaker 1: of stuff.
[24:18] Speaker 2: Show.
[24:18] Speaker 1: Kathy's wonderful. We talked about show.
[24:20] Speaker 2: It's very easy.
[24:21] Speaker 1: She's just actually she's great, Like she really has this
[24:25] Speaker 1: like great I think, very maternal, big sister mentor like
[24:29] Speaker 1: I'm here vibe. Yeah, and kind of the one that
[24:31] Speaker 1: answers the phone, kind of them that calls you and
[24:33] Speaker 1: checks up on I just think she's a vibe. Jennifer
[24:36] Speaker 1: has been great to me. She's been filming, but we
[24:40] Speaker 1: at the Reduni, We're like, okay, we're gonna get lunch
[24:42] Speaker 1: when you get back from New York. I don't know,
[24:43] Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'm on okay terms with plenty
[24:46] Speaker 1: of people, but like, I don't think a lot of
[24:51] Speaker 1: the cast is hanging out when we're not filming anyway.
[24:54] Speaker 1: I don't think any of the casts is hanging out
[24:55] Speaker 1: or not except what I guess in real life, like
[24:58] Speaker 1: Sutton and Jennifer hang out with our friends in real life,
[25:01] Speaker 1: and like, yeah, real real life.
[25:14] Speaker 2: I do have to ask, when you watched the season back,
[25:17] Speaker 2: was there any point in time that you looked at
[25:20] Speaker 2: certain things that you said and thought, I wish I
[25:24] Speaker 2: wouldn't have said that.
[25:26] Speaker 1: I watched the first so I didn't watch. Oh I watched,
[25:33] Speaker 1: I didn't watch after Sedona?
[25:36] Speaker 2: What was the reasoning? Too hard?
[25:38] Speaker 1: I hated that, Like I thought my Sedona was just
[25:41] Speaker 1: a very like cringey like depiction of who I am, okay,
[25:49] Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm just I'm just not gonna watch,
[25:52] Speaker 1: just not gonna do this to myself.
[25:53] Speaker 2: That's very interesting though, because I did.
[25:55] Speaker 1: Not Sidona was the ten thousand dollars on crystals, which
[26:00] Speaker 1: was like we were looking at the bottom of the crystals,
[26:02] Speaker 1: deciding which ones we were going to buy, and I was like,
[26:04] Speaker 1: I spent ten thousand non crystals in one sitting, but
[26:06] Speaker 1: like that in context of looking at how expensive they were,
[26:09] Speaker 1: that was a normal thing to say in a conversation.
[26:12] Speaker 1: And then it was the I have sun skin in
[26:15] Speaker 1: my Chanel backpack, which in context is cute and funny
[26:19] Speaker 1: to go hiking and have sun skin in your Chanel backpack.
[26:22] Speaker 1: Like the juxtaposition of that, Like me and my friends
[26:24] Speaker 1: find that funny.
[26:26] Speaker 2: But can I tell you when I first entered the
[26:29] Speaker 2: last show that I was on and I showed up
[26:32] Speaker 2: as myself and no one thought that I was funny.
[26:35] Speaker 2: And I remember looking around being like my friend's back
[26:38] Speaker 2: in Utah. I think I am a hoo and a half.
[26:40] Speaker 1: I like I am hilarious, like once you know my humor,
[26:44] Speaker 1: Like people were recre little clips of my courses, just
[26:47] Speaker 1: little things I say where I'm teaching, not even meaning to,
[26:49] Speaker 1: and like put it like DM me or put it
[26:51] Speaker 1: on Instagram, be like you are so funny, Like being
[26:53] Speaker 1: funny is part of like my personality. I think my identity,
[26:57] Speaker 1: like I I identify, I get it yet yeah, the girls.
[27:00] Speaker 1: But if your wheelmor is a little dry, yes, then
[27:03] Speaker 1: you can very easily crop something and make it seem
[27:06] Speaker 1: like it's serious.
[27:07] Speaker 2: One person I remember, after like a couple of years
[27:12] Speaker 2: had gone by, finally my group that I also filmed
[27:16] Speaker 2: a show with, they were like, oh, oh, this is
[27:20] Speaker 2: just like your thing.
[27:23] Speaker 1: This is like this is like one of her her bits.
[27:26] Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, And when a new person would come in,
[27:28] Speaker 2: they'd be like that Lala, and they're like, no, no, she's
[27:30] Speaker 2: just being She's being a lot. That's just her bit,
[27:32] Speaker 2: like she's spinny this way. I think that will happen.
[27:34] Speaker 2: I think you choose to go back, people are going
[27:37] Speaker 2: to get.
[27:37] Speaker 1: You well, I think so. I think a lot of
[27:39] Speaker 1: things are working in my favorite with that more they
[27:41] Speaker 1: saw me be consistent the whole season. They saw me
[27:44] Speaker 1: like continue to be the like it's clear that I
[27:47] Speaker 1: was just being myself by the end of the season.
[27:48] Speaker 1: You get that. That helps. I think a lot of
[27:50] Speaker 1: people have come over to my social media and so
[27:52] Speaker 1: now they get more of the humor, more of the
[27:54] Speaker 1: personality through just like my content, and a lot of
[27:57] Speaker 1: people have taken a chance like on my work, read
[27:59] Speaker 1: my book or a bought like a five dollars offer
[28:02] Speaker 1: twenty Like I just did this twenty one day manifestation
[28:05] Speaker 1: program that was twenty one modules for twenty one dollars
[28:07] Speaker 1: and we had over five thousand people sign up, and
[28:10] Speaker 1: a lot we're from the Bravo world, So I think
[28:12] Speaker 1: the Bravo people are going like, Oh, this is what
[28:15] Speaker 1: she teaches and how she teaches it, and this is
[28:17] Speaker 1: what she does, and this is her humor and this
[28:20] Speaker 1: is her with her family. I think they're getting more context. Yeah,
[28:23] Speaker 1: and it's making more sense to people. And you're not
[28:24] Speaker 1: going to win them all and I don't need to. Yeah,
[28:27] Speaker 1: but it's going to be clear that, like you're saying,
[28:29] Speaker 1: you just being you, it's gonna be clear that I'm
[28:31] Speaker 1: just being me. Because what I said to production in
[28:34] Speaker 1: the show runner and a lot of people in a
[28:35] Speaker 1: lot of moments was I don't know how to be
[28:37] Speaker 1: anything with me.
[28:40] Speaker 2: I met someone who fakes it very well.
[28:42] Speaker 1: I don't really know how, you know, like I don't
[28:45] Speaker 1: have I will never be someone capable of like playing
[28:48] Speaker 1: a character. You know.
[28:50] Speaker 2: I don't think you need to.
[28:51] Speaker 1: It's not within me, right, I think some people do.
[28:53] Speaker 1: I think people show up to the show of like
[28:55] Speaker 1: I'm going to be the girl's girl and I'm going
[28:57] Speaker 1: to take this dance and it's every scene. Make sure you.
[29:01] Speaker 2: Think that it's much more calculated then you're capable of.
[29:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm intentional. I have intentions. I've been planned, but like, yeah,
[29:08] Speaker 1: I can't fake it.
[29:10] Speaker 2: I think we all saw that. I mean, I don't
[29:12] Speaker 2: think you can fake being calm, cool and collected. Thank you. Well.
[29:17] Speaker 1: Think I have a background in therapy, right, Like I've
[29:19] Speaker 1: been mastering counseling. So that means you have people to
[29:22] Speaker 1: sit there and your client is telling you crazy stuff
[29:25] Speaker 1: and you can't show it on your face. No, you
[29:26] Speaker 1: have to be You have to collect your thoughts and
[29:28] Speaker 1: figure out what you are gonna say to them, like
[29:31] Speaker 1: what is most helpful for them to be heard and
[29:33] Speaker 1: understood in that moment, which might not be your shockun
[29:36] Speaker 1: off face.
[29:37] Speaker 2: You know what I mean. No, you can't have that,
[29:39] Speaker 2: So like I have that, and then I don't know.
[29:41] Speaker 1: I'm just I am. I've done a lot of internal
[29:43] Speaker 1: like work on myself. I am a regulated person. I
[29:45] Speaker 1: don't fill off the handle easily.
[29:47] Speaker 2: What made you want to get into the business of
[29:49] Speaker 2: like turning manifesting into like your livelihood.
[29:54] Speaker 1: Well, I never really decided to do that, like, okay,
[29:58] Speaker 1: it just happened kind of damn, I mean honestly. So
[30:02] Speaker 1: I'm in my master's program. I started coaching business, so
[30:05] Speaker 1: I'm life coaching like part time and on the side,
[30:08] Speaker 1: I do that through my master's program. Then I get
[30:10] Speaker 1: into my dream PhD program and my business is growing
[30:13] Speaker 1: like quickly, and I'm like, I think I have to
[30:15] Speaker 1: choose business or PhD. So I was like, PhD's not
[30:17] Speaker 1: going to help me help more people or make more money.
[30:20] Speaker 1: I think I have to do this online. I think
[30:22] Speaker 1: I like, I just sensed and I was right that
[30:25] Speaker 1: this was the time to go big on the internet,
[30:27] Speaker 1: Like there weren't a lot of.
[30:31] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[30:31] Speaker 1: I just had a feeling that like I could make
[30:34] Speaker 1: a name for myself or whatever, and I was right.
[30:36] Speaker 1: But I have But I have like three thousand people
[30:39] Speaker 1: on Instagram as I'm feeling this, So this isn't based
[30:41] Speaker 1: on any logic or reason.
[30:43] Speaker 2: I just love it.
[30:44] Speaker 1: This is love it, this is my vibe, right, this
[30:46] Speaker 1: is totally delusional manifestie. I'm going to go all in
[30:50] Speaker 1: on my cell vipes. So I quit my PhD program,
[30:54] Speaker 1: I go big on my business and I'm like, Okay,
[30:56] Speaker 1: so far my clients have come from flyers. Iying like
[31:01] Speaker 1: feeling stuck. I'm Amanda Francis, call me for life coaching
[31:04] Speaker 1: flyers at every Starbucks in Dallas every week for like
[31:08] Speaker 1: over eight years, Texas. I'm from Oklahoma, but I went
[31:10] Speaker 1: to grad school in Texas.
[31:11] Speaker 2: Okay, got it? Yeah?
[31:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, So all it was from referrals and flyers all
[31:17] Speaker 1: my clients, and I'm like, okay, I figure out how
[31:19] Speaker 1: to promote myself online. So I'd been practicing this like
[31:25] Speaker 1: through grad school, but I was like, I got to
[31:26] Speaker 1: go big on this with how do I put inspirational
[31:29] Speaker 1: and motivational content online every day in a way where
[31:32] Speaker 1: people would be interested in working with me? And I
[31:35] Speaker 1: basically that's what I did. I coached my clients and
[31:37] Speaker 1: I got good at internet marketing before I knew the
[31:39] Speaker 1: word was internet marketing, you know. And then eventually I
[31:42] Speaker 1: go like, Okay, I can only see so many clients
[31:47] Speaker 1: in a week, and I'm only gonna be able to
[31:48] Speaker 1: charge so much per like coaching package for life coaching
[31:52] Speaker 1: these young girls, right, most of my clients were young girls,
[31:55] Speaker 1: so what should I do? And then I had an idea, like,
[31:57] Speaker 1: why don't you train other therapists on how to put
[32:00] Speaker 1: come a coach? Create a course called become a Coach.
[32:03] Speaker 1: So that's what I did. I created my first digital
[32:05] Speaker 1: course and I enrolled fifteen people in it, many of
[32:07] Speaker 1: them had a background on mental health counseling. And I
[32:11] Speaker 1: sold out that course like I hit the number I
[32:13] Speaker 1: wanted to hit, and I was like, oh my god,
[32:15] Speaker 1: I can make a lot more money and help a
[32:16] Speaker 1: lot more people at once. This was like the vibe.
[32:19] Speaker 1: I was like, I think digital courses are going to
[32:20] Speaker 1: be like my thing. And so then I just kept
[32:22] Speaker 1: creating courses on whatever I was learning, you know, like
[32:25] Speaker 1: here's how to sell online, here's how oh, here's how
[32:28] Speaker 1: to create your own digital course. Like I was just
[32:30] Speaker 1: creating courses, creating courses. They were doing well. I was
[32:33] Speaker 1: developing a following of like repeat buyers. It was good.
[32:36] Speaker 1: And I was noticing a theme that all my clients
[32:39] Speaker 1: wanted to talk to me about money. All of my
[32:42] Speaker 1: clients wanted to hear my thoughts on many because I
[32:47] Speaker 1: had a way of noticing and pointing out people's patterns
[32:50] Speaker 1: that I don't think was normal or common.
[32:52] Speaker 2: Especially at the time night came with money for it.
[32:55] Speaker 1: Let me be specific, Like a client tells me, Okay,
[32:58] Speaker 1: I remember this one girl, like she's in my mind
[33:00] Speaker 1: right now. She had a sales job and she was
[33:02] Speaker 1: telling me that like she had never gotten a commission
[33:05] Speaker 1: over this amount. She did not believe what was possible
[33:08] Speaker 1: to commission over that amount. And I'm like, well, it
[33:10] Speaker 1: is your commission capped and she's like no. I was like, well,
[33:13] Speaker 1: let's play with it. What would it be like if
[33:16] Speaker 1: your commission was this instead of this? Like could you
[33:19] Speaker 1: believe it? Could you feel it? Could you imagine it? Right? So,
[33:22] Speaker 1: like essentially like we're working on manifesting. But then another thing.
[33:26] Speaker 1: The same client was telling me that she paid off
[33:28] Speaker 1: all of her debt and the next month she had
[33:30] Speaker 1: an expense that went right back up to the same
[33:32] Speaker 1: amount of debt. And I'm like, okay, so you kind
[33:34] Speaker 1: of have an expectation as set point around your available
[33:38] Speaker 1: for this amount of debt. Can we imagine it being lower?
[33:41] Speaker 1: Can we play with that? What would it mean about
[33:44] Speaker 1: you if you had less debt? And when you do
[33:46] Speaker 1: that with people, you kind of start getting into their
[33:48] Speaker 1: unworthiness like they don't feel worthy of the things they
[33:51] Speaker 1: spin on. They don't feel worthy of the school they
[33:53] Speaker 1: went to that the use student loans for Like, there's
[33:56] Speaker 1: a lot of like a lot of our insecurities will
[33:59] Speaker 1: come up if you look at look at how you
[34:01] Speaker 1: spend money, how you carry debt, what your income is.
[34:04] Speaker 1: People cap themselves all day long. We have like these
[34:07] Speaker 1: set points. Anyway. So I'm realizing that, and I'm working
[34:10] Speaker 1: with people on that, and I'm like, I'm going to
[34:12] Speaker 1: create a course on this. Let me create my first
[34:14] Speaker 1: money mindset course, though I don't think that was really
[34:18] Speaker 1: a thing, and so I called it Money Mentality Makeover
[34:21] Speaker 1: and it was a three module course. I sold it
[34:23] Speaker 1: for like one hundred bucks and people were like obsessed.
[34:26] Speaker 1: They loved it. So basically that course I've added to
[34:30] Speaker 1: every year for thirteen years. Those those three modules are
[34:33] Speaker 1: still the first three modules, but now the course has like,
[34:35] Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty six hours of content or something.
[34:38] Speaker 2: What was your relationship with money when you created it? So, however,
[34:42] Speaker 2: you wanted to be rich as fuck everything.
[34:45] Speaker 1: I always thought I would make money, Okay, Yeah, Like
[34:48] Speaker 1: when I took out my insane student loans to go
[34:50] Speaker 1: to grad school and stuff. I really believed that I
[34:52] Speaker 1: would pay them back. I really believed I would be okay.
[34:55] Speaker 1: Like I remember driving around like my clunky, beat up
[34:58] Speaker 1: car and having this like attitude of like, no, this
[35:02] Speaker 1: is a good thing. It's a vibe for me to
[35:04] Speaker 1: have a clunky, beat up car because this is my beginning, right, Like,
[35:09] Speaker 1: it's only you can only like have a good time
[35:11] Speaker 1: with your clunky car if you know it's not the
[35:13] Speaker 1: end of your story. But I knew. I knew I
[35:17] Speaker 1: would look back on that season of being a broke
[35:18] Speaker 1: grad school student and it would just be my beginning.
[35:21] Speaker 1: You know. I've always knew I would make money. I
[35:23] Speaker 1: thought I would have a private practice in therapy, that
[35:26] Speaker 1: I would write books, speak on stages, and be a professor.
[35:29] Speaker 1: And it's so funny because I do all of that
[35:31] Speaker 1: stuff now is just through like life coaching personal development world,
[35:34] Speaker 1: not therapy world. But I do all the things I
[35:36] Speaker 1: always thought I would do so again manifesting.
[35:39] Speaker 2: But as far as money, everything I.
[35:42] Speaker 1: Teach and money Men Teddy Makeover is all based on
[35:44] Speaker 1: what worked for me and my clients. I had debt
[35:46] Speaker 1: I couldn't pay down. I had that like, oh, wait,
[35:50] Speaker 1: I can never make more than this no matter what
[35:52] Speaker 1: I do. What is that about? Like all these like
[35:54] Speaker 1: things that I described in my book and have taught
[35:57] Speaker 1: and money men Teddy Makeover is all based on my
[36:01] Speaker 1: experience around having a really clean, clear, healthy relationship with money.
[36:08] Speaker 2: So then does that makes sense? It makes all the sense.
[36:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[36:10] Speaker 2: And by the way, I have an interesting relationship with money.
[36:17] Speaker 2: And here's why. I lived a very beautiful and privileged
[36:22] Speaker 2: life as a child. And then two thousand and eight
[36:26] Speaker 2: hits the recession, my dad basically lost everything. I had
[36:31] Speaker 2: been modeling quote unquote in Salt Lake City, Utah. I'm
[36:36] Speaker 2: stacking my pennies since the time I was like a
[36:38] Speaker 2: young girl. My mom worked and was able to financially
[36:42] Speaker 2: support the family through a really difficult time. I was
[36:46] Speaker 2: able to contribute so now. And then I got with
[36:51] Speaker 2: a guy who that's a nuanced situation. He had money.
[36:56] Speaker 2: That's a quote unquote too. Where it comes from who
[37:00] Speaker 2: it is, I don't know. I lived a beautiful life
[37:02] Speaker 2: but continued to work while I was with this man
[37:06] Speaker 2: because my mom had taught me you always have to
[37:09] Speaker 2: be an independent person. Yeah, because there is going to
[37:12] Speaker 2: be a day where a plan B needs to happen.
[37:14] Speaker 2: And that doesn't necessarily mean that, like your rich guy
[37:17] Speaker 2: is going to leave you, but maybe the guy hits
[37:19] Speaker 2: on some hard times and you have to keep you
[37:21] Speaker 2: a flash.
[37:22] Speaker 1: She's saying, don't me dependent on a man? Told me
[37:24] Speaker 1: a similar thing, yes, and I took it. My mom said,
[37:27] Speaker 1: go to college, get a good job, make a lot
[37:29] Speaker 1: of money, never depend on a man. And I took
[37:32] Speaker 1: those words very seriously.
[37:33] Speaker 2: You have to. Yeah, And when I talk to women
[37:37] Speaker 2: who don't know what is going on with their finances.
[37:40] Speaker 1: Oh my god, it makes me crazy. I was talking
[37:42] Speaker 1: about it on Good Day LA this morning. I was like,
[37:44] Speaker 1: there's no excuse anymore. There's no excuses. Twenty twenty six.
[37:47] Speaker 1: Get the log into the account. Know how much is
[37:50] Speaker 1: an investment in savings? Like what's the income? What's the output?
[37:53] Speaker 1: Like how much does it cost for you to live
[37:54] Speaker 1: and survive each month? There is no reason not to know.
[37:57] Speaker 1: Even if you aren't the money maker, you have to know, yes,
[38:01] Speaker 1: just because you're gonna look. Guess Also, women are fucking
[38:03] Speaker 1: smarter than men. You're gonna look at how he's managing
[38:06] Speaker 1: finances and go.
[38:06] Speaker 2: Like, Babe, this doesn't make sense.
[38:08] Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be great if we contributed this this way? Like,
[38:10] Speaker 1: if you educate yourself a little, you're probably gonna have
[38:13] Speaker 1: a good fucking idea. Like women are smart and capable,
[38:17] Speaker 1: and we got to empower ourselves around money, whether we
[38:20] Speaker 1: make it or Like, I love being a money maker.
[38:22] Speaker 1: Nothing is ever gonna change that. Yeah. But if Eddie
[38:25] Speaker 1: like whatever, ends up making more money than me and
[38:27] Speaker 1: we won the lottery, like I don't care what, I
[38:29] Speaker 1: would never not know. I check all my accounts, like
[38:33] Speaker 1: I'm so intentional, I don't know, it's just no excuses.
[38:37] Speaker 2: Well that's my biggest thing, because I'm a mom of
[38:38] Speaker 2: two little girls, and I need them to understand same
[38:43] Speaker 2: that it is great. I hope you go fall in love,
[38:46] Speaker 2: and I hope you have butterflies and rainbows. But shit
[38:50] Speaker 2: gets real really fucking fast. Yeah, and you don't even
[38:53] Speaker 2: have time to think. Yeah, and sometimes your bank account
[38:57] Speaker 2: is the only thing standing between sex king and swimmy.
[39:01] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well totally. Oh I just had something so good flat.
[39:05] Speaker 2: In my head.
[39:06] Speaker 1: Many women, little girls, Oh my god, right there? Oh
[39:14] Speaker 1: how about this? Like I was a self made woman
[39:20] Speaker 1: with the multiple seven figure yearly business when I met Eddie.
[39:23] Speaker 1: That meant. I just remember being single, being ready to
[39:27] Speaker 1: meet my person and knowing that like I didn't have
[39:30] Speaker 1: to base it on money, like I want it right,
[39:33] Speaker 1: like I wanted the I was clear though, I wanted
[39:35] Speaker 1: my person to like do something they love, have meaning
[39:38] Speaker 1: and purpose in their day, in their life, be very
[39:41] Speaker 1: much a contributing member of the family like Eddie would
[39:44] Speaker 1: never moosh on me. Eddie would never like he would
[39:47] Speaker 1: never let me pay for everything. Like if we go
[39:49] Speaker 1: on a date, he pays, you know what I mean.
[39:51] Speaker 1: Like we're going on a camping trip this weekend. He
[39:53] Speaker 1: planned it, He's paying for it. Like I don't know.
[39:56] Speaker 1: It's that's kind of like our thing. If I plan it,
[39:58] Speaker 1: I pay for it. If he plans it, he like
[40:00] Speaker 1: I don't. He just is a contributing member of the family,
[40:03] Speaker 1: Like he buys groceries, He's paid some of the bills,
[40:05] Speaker 1: like it doesn't like, yes, I'll pay the mortgage, I'll
[40:08] Speaker 1: make more money. I don't care. But if you were
[40:09] Speaker 1: like a mooch, I wouldn't think you were hot, you
[40:12] Speaker 1: know what I mean?
[40:12] Speaker 2: Yes, the dynamic is working. You found your person and
[40:15] Speaker 2: what he contributes and you contribute is a great life.
[40:19] Speaker 1: I don't need him to contribute. I've said before, do
[40:22] Speaker 1: you want to be a stay at home dad? Because
[40:23] Speaker 1: it's on the table. But he would never you know,
[40:26] Speaker 1: he's a man who goes off there and a.
[40:27] Speaker 2: Lot of work. A stay at home anything, I know.
[40:29] Speaker 1: But he's a man that goes out there, right, yes,
[40:34] Speaker 1: but he goes over there and he does his work
[40:35] Speaker 1: every day. And that mattered to me.
[40:37] Speaker 2: Very hot too, He's so hot and all is that man?
[40:40] Speaker 1: Six five?
[40:41] Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about this. I really like the direction
[40:44] Speaker 2: of this. How do I manifest a six to my
[40:47] Speaker 2: mad man? Oh my god?
[40:48] Speaker 1: I can talk about this all day. Okay, we need
[40:50] Speaker 1: a new position. I'm trying not to.
[40:51] Speaker 2: Get that a new position because this is how we're
[40:53] Speaker 2: going to wrap the podcast is finding me a six
[40:56] Speaker 2: foot tall, dark and handsome oh like a fucking horse,
[41:00] Speaker 2: huge pan.
[41:01] Speaker 1: Good for you, heyse, God, pise God, Thanks God. Okay, So, okay,
[41:08] Speaker 1: there's so much here to manifesting a man. It's like,
[41:11] Speaker 1: honestly a little bit more nuanced than manifesting money because
[41:13] Speaker 1: we're not just talking about money, which is an nanimate
[41:17] Speaker 1: object that is like a ref like money is available
[41:20] Speaker 1: in droves Like many is out there. We're talking about
[41:22] Speaker 1: like a human being who has free will, So it's
[41:25] Speaker 1: a little bit more of like a nuanced manifestation. So
[41:28] Speaker 1: there's many, many things. But here's what I did. So
[41:30] Speaker 1: I would say number one, when you get really clear
[41:33] Speaker 1: on like the characteristics, like the like what you desire, Like,
[41:37] Speaker 1: I would make these lists and I said to God
[41:41] Speaker 1: and to my journal and to everyone, that's six' three
[41:43] Speaker 1: was my? Minimum minimum? Minimum? Yeah MIGHT i remember right
[41:48] Speaker 1: AFTER i Met, EDDIE i had a date planned With
[41:50] Speaker 1: eddie AND i had a date planned with someone else
[41:52] Speaker 1: the same. Weekend And eddie was six y five and
[41:54] Speaker 1: the other guy was six. Four And i'm telling my dad.
[41:56] Speaker 1: This My dad's, Like, amanda And i'm like six freeze the, Minimum,
[42:01] Speaker 1: Dad and he's, like but you want to like have
[42:03] Speaker 1: kids and settle. Down i'm, like six threes is. Minimum,
[42:06] Speaker 1: Like so What i'm saying is be clear on your, standards, Right,
[42:09] Speaker 1: Okay you got to know your standards from the physical
[42:12] Speaker 1: things the emotional, things like think about all like the
[42:15] Speaker 1: things you really, want like how do you want to travel?
[42:18] Speaker 1: Together what do you want your home life to?
[42:20] Speaker 3: Be?
[42:20] Speaker 1: Like how do you want to feel at the end
[42:21] Speaker 1: of the day when you're in bed with. Them, like
[42:23] Speaker 1: the most potent manifestation isn't just the mental. STUFF i
[42:28] Speaker 1: love the mental stuff because it helps you get, clear
[42:30] Speaker 1: but it's how you feel when you think about the, thing, right,
[42:33] Speaker 1: Yeah so think about that feeling of how you're going
[42:36] Speaker 1: to feel in bed with them at the end of the,
[42:37] Speaker 1: night or having dinner with, them or co parenting with
[42:41] Speaker 1: them or. Whatever LIKE i.
[42:43] Speaker 2: Want to feel.
[42:44] Speaker 3: Feminine that's why it's like a gun, energy have big
[42:48] Speaker 3: dick energy all day long. Time when you get, HOME
[42:52] Speaker 3: i want to melt and just be a little, baby right, yeah.
[42:57] Speaker 3: Perfect so the manifestation home and of that would be
[43:00] Speaker 3: feeling that, now envisioning that, now holding that energy, now
[43:04] Speaker 3: but like as a, practice okay you, know, yeah believing
[43:08] Speaker 3: that you can have, it knowing that it's yours would
[43:10] Speaker 3: be the energy of like the manifestation for.
[43:12] Speaker 1: That and then then this was a big one for.
[43:16] Speaker 1: Me you might not have. THIS i had to look
[43:18] Speaker 1: at before Like eddie could come into my, life and
[43:21] Speaker 1: like the relationship, STICK i had to look at HOW
[43:24] Speaker 1: i was kind of fucked up with, relationships very fucked.
[43:28] Speaker 1: Up it was really annoying to look at so that
[43:31] Speaker 1: these were the things THAT i had to work on
[43:32] Speaker 1: in it It i'm so THANKFUL i did HOW i
[43:35] Speaker 1: expected men to like validate. Me, now of course your
[43:39] Speaker 1: man should compliment and praise and think you're the best
[43:42] Speaker 1: thing on, Earth but it was LIKE i was. TRYING
[43:44] Speaker 1: i was like it was a needy, energy LIKE i
[43:46] Speaker 1: need you to validate, me like it's your.
[43:48] Speaker 2: Job.
[43:49] Speaker 1: Okay WHEN i identified that and, MYSELF i was, like,
[43:52] Speaker 1: WAIT i expect a man to do that for. Me
[43:54] Speaker 1: shouldn't that be like SOMETHING i do for. Myself shouldn't
[43:57] Speaker 1: that be between me And? God and just like my
[43:59] Speaker 1: like confidence and like WHO i? Am so that was
[44:02] Speaker 1: like kind of a toxic. BEHAVIOR i to look at. That,
[44:05] Speaker 1: OH i had abandonment issues that was really run. Deep
[44:10] Speaker 1: that was fucking me. Up SO i was noticing like on,
[44:12] Speaker 1: dates even IF i didn't like the, GUY i would
[44:15] Speaker 1: be worried that they didn't like. Me i'd be worried
[44:18] Speaker 1: that they wouldn't call me. BACK i felt like every
[44:21] Speaker 1: guy went out with needed to be chasing me, down
[44:24] Speaker 1: knocking down the, door trying to marry, me or it
[44:27] Speaker 1: was like it was, affecting like my senses is self
[44:30] Speaker 1: worth on my. Date SO i was LIKE i had
[44:32] Speaker 1: to look at. That so if this applies to anyone,
[44:35] Speaker 1: listening like the WAY i really like healed that WAS
[44:40] Speaker 1: I it was like a really beautiful. Season, HONESTLY i
[44:43] Speaker 1: got a lot better at taking care of me and
[44:46] Speaker 1: loving on me and being really close and connected to
[44:50] Speaker 1: myself and like holding myself energetically and, emotionally if that makes.
[44:55] Speaker 1: Sense like you, know like you'll go through something and you're,
[44:57] Speaker 1: crying and like you want to go to a like
[44:59] Speaker 1: you want to go to a man and have them
[45:01] Speaker 1: cuddle you and tell. EVERYTHING i would like go to.
[45:03] Speaker 1: MYSELF i have like memories of like hugging myself and
[45:06] Speaker 1: being Like, Amanda i've got. You so there was like
[45:10] Speaker 1: some hilling inside of. Me, okay that made it to
[45:12] Speaker 1: where When eddie AND i so we we. Met we
[45:15] Speaker 1: dated for a few. Months he was newly. SEPARATED i
[45:19] Speaker 1: had abandonment issues all over the, Place like it did
[45:21] Speaker 1: not go, well so we broke. Up when we came back,
[45:23] Speaker 1: TOGETHER i had done a lot of healing work on,
[45:26] Speaker 1: myself particularly around that abandonment, thing and it's like it
[45:29] Speaker 1: came back together so seamlessly BECAUSE i wasn't afraid he
[45:33] Speaker 1: was gonna, leave, right and if he did, LEAVE i
[45:35] Speaker 1: Knew i'd be. Okay and SO i was so like
[45:38] Speaker 1: whole and complete and HOW i was experiencing. Him and
[45:42] Speaker 1: then he loves to be a, man so he's showing
[45:44] Speaker 1: up super. Masculine i'm showing up super, feminine and Like
[45:47] Speaker 1: i'm also not needing to control him LIKE i had
[45:50] Speaker 1: been controlling in, relationships not meaning to be BECAUSE i
[45:53] Speaker 1: was scared they were going to leave, me. Right but
[45:56] Speaker 1: Now i'm like leaned. Back i'm like in the. Feminine
[45:58] Speaker 1: i'm like, Chilling i'm, Trusting i'm, receiving like him trying
[46:02] Speaker 1: to take care of, me, right because even with the money,
[46:05] Speaker 1: thing like he takes care of me in a million
[46:07] Speaker 1: ways all day. Long he brought me up my vitamins
[46:09] Speaker 1: before a bed last night and filled up my water
[46:11] Speaker 1: bottle and like you know he Does, god he does
[46:13] Speaker 1: this shit every.
[46:14] Speaker 2: Night i'm up in there fucking get my own, water
[46:16] Speaker 2: flipping my own, mattress no taking out the fucking. Trash
[46:20] Speaker 2: do you know what any? Think it's, well the cars
[46:21] Speaker 2: of a gas, no none of.
[46:23] Speaker 1: That you're doing none of. That you're doing none of that.
[46:25] Speaker 2: Between anymore the manifested my six five.
[46:28] Speaker 1: Man, yeah between a good man and an. Assistant you
[46:29] Speaker 1: should be doing any of that. Shit it might take
[46:32] Speaker 1: more than just a. Man and when you live a big, life.
[46:34] Speaker 2: You, Know CAN i tell you WHAT i do with
[46:47] Speaker 2: the abandonment? Issues? YEAH i am so terrified That i'm
[46:54] Speaker 2: going to get hurt THAT i push them away SO
[46:57] Speaker 2: i can hurt them. First OH i had. Yes so
[46:59] Speaker 2: mine was he do you like?
[47:00] Speaker 1: Me do you like?
[47:00] Speaker 2: Me do you like?
[47:01] Speaker 1: Me or let me reject IF i If i'm sure
[47:03] Speaker 1: you like, me let me reject you so you can
[47:05] Speaker 1: come chase. Me, yeah LIKE i gotta get it was
[47:07] Speaker 1: shitty yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah Oh, jesus nobody you've
[47:11] Speaker 1: given me. That AND i would, say but if you
[47:14] Speaker 1: can work on that and observe that in? You so,
[47:16] Speaker 1: okay what would be the? Fear there would be the wound,
[47:17] Speaker 1: There i'm going to get, hurt SO i have to
[47:19] Speaker 1: hurt you. First what if it's more LIKE i don't
[47:23] Speaker 1: have to get hurt in every? Relationship and WHEN i,
[47:26] Speaker 1: DO i am. Okay like IF i, DO i am. Okay,
[47:31] Speaker 1: yeah play with.
[47:31] Speaker 2: That why when you say, that let's play with that,
[47:34] Speaker 2: well because.
[47:35] Speaker 1: We're just trying on. Image we're just trying on belief
[47:37] Speaker 1: systems are trying on thoughts like you, know, yeah because
[47:39] Speaker 1: the belief is just a thought we kept, thinking so,
[47:41] Speaker 1: like think about, that play with, that see how that.
[47:43] Speaker 2: Lands you, KNOW i really dig.
[47:45] Speaker 1: You thank? You if people can you can you imagine
[47:50] Speaker 1: IF i could have just talked with the women like they.
[47:52] Speaker 1: Didn't i'm and this is MAYBE i live a weird.
[47:55] Speaker 1: Life i'm used to everyone in my, world from friends
[47:57] Speaker 1: to clients to family being available for. This people know
[48:01] Speaker 1: WHAT i, do so they want my thoughts on, it
[48:04] Speaker 1: like a friend asking me about an abandonment thing like or. Whatever.
[48:07] Speaker 1: Whatever it, is a money, thing a business, thing a relationship.
[48:09] Speaker 1: Thing people come to. Me So i'm sitting in this
[48:13] Speaker 1: room of housewives and no one's common to me for
[48:15] Speaker 1: a life quack, Right And i'm, like, okay so you
[48:18] Speaker 1: don't want to learn from me and receive from? Me
[48:21] Speaker 1: AND i just want to be helpful and useful to.
[48:23] Speaker 1: Everyone so what DO.
[48:24] Speaker 2: I think to?
[48:25] Speaker 1: Do hire was?
[48:25] Speaker 2: OFF i think the timing was. OFF i think there
[48:28] Speaker 2: were a lot of women who were going into new
[48:30] Speaker 2: seasons of their lives and just not receptive to what
[48:34] Speaker 2: you were bringing to the. Table that is not a forever.
[48:37] Speaker 2: THING i think if the offer not if when the offer,
[48:42] Speaker 2: comes you Take rihanna's. Advice oh cool is that to,
[48:45] Speaker 2: say you thank's.
[48:49] Speaker 1: Advice i'm going TO dm her back you. ENTER i
[48:53] Speaker 1: THINK i can do it very differently a second. TIME
[48:55] Speaker 1: i just think it will be a different experience for you. Know,
[48:59] Speaker 1: yeah like but like what we just, Did, YEAH i love,
[49:03] Speaker 1: that AND i think that's normal and friendships AND i
[49:06] Speaker 1: would want to do that ON, tv and it just
[49:08] Speaker 1: didn't seem like there was room for, it you.
[49:11] Speaker 2: Know yet yet just wasn't the. TIME i.
[49:14] Speaker 1: Know, well, Also i'm like ten plus years. Younger, YEAH i,
[49:19] Speaker 1: mean you got to be a really, secure confident person
[49:21] Speaker 1: to know that you can receive from someone at any,
[49:23] Speaker 1: age you know WHAT i.
[49:24] Speaker 2: Mean, Oh i'm looking for whoever wants to give me,
[49:26] Speaker 2: advice same LIKE i seek advice for my five year.
[49:28] Speaker 2: Old like, today you very you seem like you've been
[49:31] Speaker 2: here a lot of, times became one of.
[49:34] Speaker 1: My kids as an old. Soul love. It so when
[49:37] Speaker 1: he's saying, So i'm, like, oh there's some wisdom to.
[49:39] Speaker 2: THAT i look in her Eyes i'm, like you've seen some, Shit,
[49:43] Speaker 2: no tell me what you know.
[49:44] Speaker 1: Totally but like the ability to know that wisdom is
[49:47] Speaker 1: available everywhere and you can receive from it and that
[49:49] Speaker 1: doesn't make you. Less it's like in there it just
[49:52] Speaker 1: felt EGO e sometimes like you can't get past all.
[49:54] Speaker 2: The well welcome To bravo. Baby, yeah but just so you,
[49:57] Speaker 2: KNOW i want you to stick with it because there
[49:59] Speaker 2: is NOTHING i. Know it can feel like a, lot
[50:01] Speaker 2: but there is nothing like The bravo. Universe, yeah there
[50:07] Speaker 2: is nothing like. IT i had the best time having
[50:10] Speaker 2: you on the, podcast so. Fun it was the. Best
[50:12] Speaker 2: thank you guys for listening to another episode Of Untraditionally La.
[50:15] Speaker 2: La i'm gonna catch you On monday for the Bonus
[50:17] Speaker 2: wednesday for a regular old, episode and remember An Unlikely
[50:20] Speaker 2: Affair airs Every thursday night at nine. Pm. Bye

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