# I've Only Been with One Man for 15 Years

An episode of [Untraditionally Lala](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1494722390), 3 Jun 2026, 44 min.

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Dorit Kemsley opens up to Lala about what led to her separation from PK and what it feels like to step back into dating. She also shares what viewers didn’t see at the RHOBH reunion and why she felt ready to tell her full story in her new book, Unburdened. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hello, gorgeous, It's Lala Kent. Welcome to untraditionally, Laala. Hello, gorgeous,
[0:07] Speaker 1: Welcome to untraditionally, Lala. When I tell you I am
[0:11] Speaker 1: just having a love affair, I'm starstruck.
[0:15] Speaker 2: She needs no introduction.
[0:17] Speaker 1: She's motherfucking derey Kemsley, Hello, gorgeous.
[0:21] Speaker 3: Hello, I'm so happy to be here.
[0:24] Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have you.
[0:26] Speaker 1: And I have to say I feel like I've seen
[0:29] Speaker 1: you recently because you're all over my television, But I
[0:34] Speaker 1: have not seen you since we did watch What Happens
[0:36] Speaker 1: Live Together, and I was maybe two months postpartum.
[0:39] Speaker 4: Yes, and I was marveling at how incredible you looked.
[0:43] Speaker 3: Well, thank yond beyond. But yes, we had dinner in
[0:46] Speaker 3: New York City.
[0:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we were going to do a lap
[0:48] Speaker 1: around this bar and I was going to boom fish everybody.
[0:51] Speaker 2: All these men think you like her boobs. It's like
[0:54] Speaker 2: in a few months, they won't look this way. It's
[0:56] Speaker 2: called jugs, baby.
[0:58] Speaker 3: Yes, they didn't realize that they were full.
[1:01] Speaker 2: Of milk, which is some people may be into.
[1:04] Speaker 3: Oh there are people into that. It's a whole fetish thing.
[1:07] Speaker 2: Maybe I should have started only fans at that time.
[1:09] Speaker 4: You know what, honey, you probably could have made a
[1:11] Speaker 4: lot of money. I know, think about those people that
[1:14] Speaker 4: have those kinds of fetishes, They will pay top dollar,
[1:18] Speaker 4: that is what I heard. Yeah, and think about it really.
[1:22] Speaker 4: I mean there's one thing you know, you like a
[1:26] Speaker 4: little spank, you like a little dog collar, a ball
[1:30] Speaker 4: in the mouth, Yeah, one of those things. I mean,
[1:33] Speaker 4: I don't want to start going on, and I'm.
[1:35] Speaker 2: Like, I'm feeling like these maybe things that you like to.
[1:38] Speaker 1: Do to.
[1:40] Speaker 4: I know, funny enough, No, No, I'm trying to think
[1:45] Speaker 4: what is my craziest God, it's been fifteen years since
[1:50] Speaker 4: I've had sex with someone other than my husband.
[1:53] Speaker 2: Really.
[1:55] Speaker 1: You know what though, that I feel like that is
[1:58] Speaker 1: so relatable. You fall into like being comfortable, and then
[2:02] Speaker 1: you fall into a marriage where you're not stepping out
[2:05] Speaker 1: of course, you're going to be like you entered the
[2:08] Speaker 1: world of dating and being single and it's really really
[2:13] Speaker 1: hard where you've been comfortable for so long and now
[2:16] Speaker 1: you're supposed to be intimate with just like this brand
[2:18] Speaker 1: new person.
[2:19] Speaker 4: Yes, it was definitely that I think for a while.
[2:23] Speaker 4: And you know, the really hard part, Lala is that
[2:27] Speaker 4: it didn't It didn't take him very long. You know,
[2:31] Speaker 4: he snapped right into it, and I don't really know
[2:34] Speaker 4: exactly what he was doing until I saw, you know,
[2:38] Speaker 4: him kissing that girl on the street, you know, which
[2:41] Speaker 4: was all over the tabloids. That was actually when I
[2:44] Speaker 4: filed for divorce. But I don't know if it's men.
[2:46] Speaker 4: I don't know if it's him, I don't know if
[2:48] Speaker 4: it's me. I was still processing, but more than anything,
[2:53] Speaker 4: I was mothering hard, really hard, and I was so
[2:58] Speaker 4: so focused on the care kids just being the least
[3:02] Speaker 4: affected as possible because they were at such vulnerable ages.
[3:06] Speaker 4: You know, they were eight and ten, and they are these,
[3:09] Speaker 4: you know, beautiful, innocent, sweet kind children, and I was
[3:14] Speaker 4: so afraid that because p K and I could not
[3:19] Speaker 4: get to a place where we were communicating and it
[3:22] Speaker 4: was amicable, I was dangerously afraid that they were going
[3:26] Speaker 4: to be changed or affected in some way. So I
[3:29] Speaker 4: was so hyper focused on them that my social life
[3:33] Speaker 4: took a back seat. And really it's only now here
[3:37] Speaker 4: we are, coming up on two years where I yearned
[3:41] Speaker 4: for it, you know, like I'm ready. I'm absolutely ready.
[3:46] Speaker 4: You know, has a girlfriend. He's a moused Yeah.
[3:51] Speaker 3: She's younger, she you know inappropriate than him.
[3:54] Speaker 4: But he's the nice thing is he's never really gone
[3:57] Speaker 4: for like the super young.
[3:59] Speaker 2: Okay, well that is very nice.
[4:00] Speaker 3: Yes, Well he has older children as well, So.
[4:03] Speaker 2: How old are his other two kids?
[4:05] Speaker 4: So his boy is thirty okay, he's going to be
[4:08] Speaker 4: thirty one in bus six weeks. His middle daughter just
[4:14] Speaker 4: turned twenty six, and the baby.
[4:21] Speaker 3: Twenty four?
[4:22] Speaker 2: Three three, he's got three yep.
[4:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, can I tell you though, Dreie, I don't think
[4:26] Speaker 1: I have watched many men and they don't care if
[4:29] Speaker 1: their girlfriend is the same age as their daughter. So
[4:31] Speaker 1: I do appreciate that part because it gets funky when
[4:36] Speaker 1: you see dad bringing home really young chicks and your
[4:40] Speaker 1: kids are exposed to that. Yeah, that's always been a
[4:43] Speaker 1: fear of mine. Yes, where I'm like, I don't want
[4:46] Speaker 1: my kid, my one kid, to experience things that just
[4:51] Speaker 1: are not healthy. And he's twenty years older than me.
[4:54] Speaker 1: What was the age difference with you?
[4:56] Speaker 3: Wow? I didn't realize he was twenty years older.
[4:58] Speaker 2: Yes, but you are.
[4:59] Speaker 3: You're so young.
[5:01] Speaker 4: You know, it's crazy because you've lived such a full
[5:03] Speaker 4: life already, right, but you're so young. PQ and I
[5:08] Speaker 4: nine years apart. That's not bad, No, no, not at all.
[5:12] Speaker 4: It really never felt like there was a big age gap.
[5:16] Speaker 4: It's very actually, you know, I was like I felt
[5:21] Speaker 4: slightly younger, okay, but mostly like in the genre of
[5:25] Speaker 4: music or when we talk about television shows, all right,
[5:28] Speaker 4: well that's before my time, you know.
[5:30] Speaker 3: But it was more in like a fun, cheeky way.
[5:34] Speaker 2: How did it go south?
[5:36] Speaker 3: Oh god?
[5:38] Speaker 4: Well, I think the Home Invasion in twenty twenty one.
[5:42] Speaker 4: You know, when I look back and obviously writing the book,
[5:45] Speaker 4: I had to go back and you know, visit memories
[5:49] Speaker 4: and I sat with them, you know, some things. There
[5:52] Speaker 4: was a lot of reflection and you know, you think
[5:57] Speaker 4: about these things in such so much much more depth.
[6:01] Speaker 4: And when I was writing the book, a lot of
[6:04] Speaker 4: things were coming to mind, you know, was the Home Invasion.
[6:08] Speaker 3: I was really affected.
[6:10] Speaker 4: I was living in the height of PTSD for about
[6:13] Speaker 4: two and a half years, could you not, truly, And
[6:16] Speaker 4: I was a shell of myself and I couldn't come
[6:18] Speaker 4: out of it. And I've always been that girl that
[6:21] Speaker 4: can tap into an inner strength, okay, you know whenever
[6:24] Speaker 4: I need to, and I couldn't do it, and I couldn't.
[6:27] Speaker 4: They were just there was like this irrational fear that
[6:30] Speaker 4: was constant, and again mothering and my kids didn't know.
[6:36] Speaker 4: So I was putting on, you know, a very very strong,
[6:40] Speaker 4: solid act for my children.
[6:43] Speaker 3: But p K, like I really really needed.
[6:47] Speaker 4: Him, you know, he was always my pillar of strength,
[6:51] Speaker 4: you know, my safety net. And because I was the
[6:55] Speaker 4: strong one and I was the one that handled everything,
[6:58] Speaker 4: I really only when I needed him or when I
[7:01] Speaker 4: went to him. It was like reinforcement, you know. Yeah,
[7:07] Speaker 4: so he's good at that, but the constant or the
[7:10] Speaker 4: long term not so great at So after the home invasion,
[7:14] Speaker 4: immediately after, you know, for a couple of weeks, he
[7:17] Speaker 4: was very he was he was there, he was supportive.
[7:22] Speaker 4: But then it was like he wanted, okay, let's yeah,
[7:25] Speaker 4: let's work. Where's my deary And obviously I couldn't snap
[7:30] Speaker 4: out of it like that, and I was really struggling,
[7:32] Speaker 4: and he took off and he really spent the majority
[7:37] Speaker 4: of two years in London. Yeah, and it in those
[7:42] Speaker 4: two years, I really think that started to become It
[7:46] Speaker 4: was like the beginning of the end.
[7:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[7:48] Speaker 4: I didn't know that then, but again, when I was
[7:51] Speaker 4: writing the memoir, you know, I was going through you know,
[7:55] Speaker 4: just like the linear process. And I just thought, you
[7:58] Speaker 4: know what, it may makes a lot of sense. And
[8:01] Speaker 4: when you start to have cracks. You know, when PK
[8:04] Speaker 4: and I got together, I said, listen, there's some non
[8:07] Speaker 4: negotiables for me. Trust, honesty, respect, I said, and transparency.
[8:13] Speaker 4: Those they can never go. Okay, we can get through anything,
[8:17] Speaker 4: and I mean anything, We can get through anything as
[8:20] Speaker 4: long as those things are always key. It doesn't matter
[8:23] Speaker 4: what it is, lying, cheating, you know, any of whatever
[8:28] Speaker 4: that is. If you lose respect, you lose transparency, trust
[8:33] Speaker 4: and honesty, forget it. And I started to see that
[8:37] Speaker 4: things like when we would fight, it was like we
[8:40] Speaker 4: went deeper. You know, we were further than we should
[8:44] Speaker 4: have gone. And you don't talk to someone that you
[8:48] Speaker 4: love that way.
[8:49] Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you know.
[8:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, And and with what happened, and just life in
[8:54] Speaker 1: general without having something so traumatizing happening. There are experiences
[8:59] Speaker 1: that shape us individually in a partnership, right, and it
[9:04] Speaker 1: is up to the both of you to take those
[9:06] Speaker 1: experiences and continue to evolve and make changes together.
[9:09] Speaker 2: Yes, and there.
[9:14] Speaker 1: Is something that you just said where the crack showing.
[9:17] Speaker 1: I feel like you don't realize that until something like
[9:20] Speaker 1: that happens for me. It was the birth of my daughter,
[9:23] Speaker 1: so something very beautiful, but it was dark yours horrendous.
[9:26] Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. But where you you can't ignore
[9:31] Speaker 1: the cracks any longer. Do you think that they were
[9:34] Speaker 1: always there and this just put them on display?
[9:37] Speaker 3: Definitely? Definitely not Peka, Definitely not.
[9:42] Speaker 2: Okay.
[9:42] Speaker 4: However, I would say there was probably right before the
[9:49] Speaker 4: home invasion, like for the first oh, I don't know,
[9:52] Speaker 4: let's see I was. I'm gonna have to do the
[9:54] Speaker 4: math in my head. But I would say the first
[9:57] Speaker 4: seven or eight years, maybe nine years, I mean, we
[10:01] Speaker 4: were as solid as they come, okay, I mean truly
[10:04] Speaker 4: truly solid, indestructible, and very much in love.
[10:09] Speaker 2: I mean I could see that. You could see that
[10:12] Speaker 2: when you watch the show.
[10:13] Speaker 3: Truly truly, I mean he was.
[10:16] Speaker 4: I never thought in a million years that p K
[10:18] Speaker 4: and I would not stay together forever, truly never ever, ever, Lalla.
[10:23] Speaker 4: Then I think that you know p K would say
[10:26] Speaker 4: the show, I wouldn't.
[10:29] Speaker 2: He blames the show.
[10:30] Speaker 4: He he thinks, I don't know he blames the show. However,
[10:35] Speaker 4: he puts a lot of emphasis on the fact that
[10:37] Speaker 4: the show hurt our marriage.
[10:41] Speaker 1: And does he feel that way from the time you
[10:44] Speaker 1: guys entered it started affecting the marriage or was there
[10:48] Speaker 1: a specific season an incident where he goes after this
[10:52] Speaker 1: season of VH aired, the show kind of took us down.
[10:57] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[10:58] Speaker 4: No, he doesn't reference it. I've never heard him reference
[11:01] Speaker 4: a season.
[11:02] Speaker 2: However, you guys looked very much in love and happy.
[11:05] Speaker 1: Anytime I saw you guys on camera, I was like,
[11:07] Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this makes so much sense. You can
[11:09] Speaker 1: just tell that their partners. He was very supportive when
[11:11] Speaker 1: you started the bathing suit line.
[11:13] Speaker 4: I know, I know, very supportive, and we were actually
[11:17] Speaker 4: really codependent, like we did everything together and he was
[11:21] Speaker 4: like my favorite person to be with.
[11:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[11:23] Speaker 4: I mean, it's crazy to even think about, especially with
[11:26] Speaker 4: how the last couple of years have been, because I
[11:29] Speaker 4: don't know how you go from that and someone who's family,
[11:32] Speaker 4: like truly family. I thought of him as he's my blood,
[11:38] Speaker 4: to having somebody do the things that he's done.
[11:44] Speaker 2: It's very disorienting.
[11:45] Speaker 3: Wow, where mind fuck it is?
[11:48] Speaker 1: And it's hard like you saying that you dove into
[11:51] Speaker 1: like mommy mode and he was out doing what he
[11:55] Speaker 1: was doing. I do think that it's most men they
[11:59] Speaker 1: just are wired differently. Like when we experience heartbreak, we
[12:02] Speaker 1: hold on to the memories and we hold on to
[12:04] Speaker 1: what we've built and the foundation that we had, and
[12:07] Speaker 1: it's so easy for them to just walk away from
[12:10] Speaker 1: it all while we tap into how will this affect
[12:14] Speaker 1: my children?
[12:15] Speaker 3: Yes?
[12:15] Speaker 2: How do I make this as easy as possible?
[12:17] Speaker 1: Like you said, your kids are very much aware that
[12:20] Speaker 1: I had parents that were together and now they're not together.
[12:23] Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And.
[12:26] Speaker 1: It resonates with me that two years in you are
[12:30] Speaker 1: finally coming to maybe I will go out and date
[12:34] Speaker 1: and dabble. Because women don't have the luxury especially mothers.
[12:39] Speaker 1: We don't have the luxury of moving like men. But
[12:42] Speaker 1: also we also don't get we say that women have
[12:46] Speaker 1: come so far, we have not. I've looked at the
[12:49] Speaker 1: comments section on Occasion Scary Place.
[12:52] Speaker 3: I know it is.
[12:53] Speaker 1: Mostly women who are ripping me to shreds. It makes
[12:58] Speaker 1: me sick, right, it makes me sick too. And when
[13:02] Speaker 1: things were not the same with you and PK, and
[13:05] Speaker 1: you knew that you were going into a new season,
[13:07] Speaker 1: because now it's been two seasons that you've been dealing
[13:09] Speaker 1: with this, that's right. What was your mental state? Did
[13:12] Speaker 1: you ever think like, maybe I don't want to go
[13:14] Speaker 1: back and I should focus on my mental health.
[13:18] Speaker 2: By the way, Deie, I have been where you.
[13:21] Speaker 1: Are, and it is suffocating and you're in survival and
[13:26] Speaker 1: you turn into a fucking warrior and anybody who doesn't
[13:29] Speaker 1: stand with you is the fucking.
[13:31] Speaker 4: Oh my god, yes you feel I mean you're already
[13:35] Speaker 4: You're already on reserves, right, so, and I had I
[13:40] Speaker 4: feel like I've been in this place without a break
[13:43] Speaker 4: for two years, and prior to that, I was dealing
[13:46] Speaker 4: with PTSD.
[13:47] Speaker 3: So really, you're not only in reserves.
[13:50] Speaker 2: You even come up for air in a long time.
[13:52] Speaker 3: A long time, yeah, a long time.
[13:54] Speaker 4: But now you know, as you said, the two year
[13:58] Speaker 4: mark and after so this season was difficult. It was
[14:02] Speaker 4: really hard to answer your question. It was this season
[14:07] Speaker 4: that I thought, you know what, I really really debated
[14:10] Speaker 4: going back. I thought I need I think I should
[14:13] Speaker 4: take a year off. Okay, we were, you know, in
[14:16] Speaker 4: this acrimonious divorce. It wasn't as bad as it is
[14:21] Speaker 4: now or now it's just so public and you know,
[14:25] Speaker 4: this new wave of you know, the court document and leaking,
[14:30] Speaker 4: you know, attaching personal text messages and making these claims,
[14:35] Speaker 4: and you know, putting a narrative out there into the public.
[14:40] Speaker 4: When you start involving the public, when you have a
[14:43] Speaker 4: divorce truly in the public, you know, and you're litigating
[14:47] Speaker 4: in the public, You're inviting a whole world of destruction,
[14:53] Speaker 4: right and it to me, it makes absolutely no sense
[14:58] Speaker 4: when you share two children, especially that they are now
[15:01] Speaker 4: going to school. They were homeschooled, so they were living
[15:04] Speaker 4: in a bubble for a while.
[15:06] Speaker 3: Now they're going to school.
[15:08] Speaker 4: I know the parents, you know that they pay attention,
[15:10] Speaker 4: and parents, unfortunately are not smart.
[15:14] Speaker 3: Not everyone. It's smart enough not.
[15:16] Speaker 4: To tell your twelve year old ten year old you know,
[15:20] Speaker 4: oh I see this one. So luckily that hasn't played
[15:24] Speaker 4: a part in our lives, but I know it's around
[15:27] Speaker 4: the corner.
[15:28] Speaker 3: I can feel it, right.
[15:30] Speaker 4: So unfortunately, now the divorce has gone in there and
[15:33] Speaker 4: I know I've gone off a tangent.
[15:35] Speaker 2: But no, this is the podcast of Tangenting.
[15:37] Speaker 3: Okay, oh just for a baby.
[15:39] Speaker 4: Well, going into season fifteen, I very much felt like
[15:44] Speaker 4: I wanted I thought I should take a year off,
[15:48] Speaker 4: and I was debating it because financially, it's very hard
[15:51] Speaker 4: to walk away, especially because I was you know, it's
[15:56] Speaker 4: no longer a luxury.
[15:57] Speaker 3: You know, I'm supporting our children and myself.
[16:01] Speaker 4: But I really felt like when I was going through everything,
[16:06] Speaker 4: I thought, you know, it makes sense for me to
[16:08] Speaker 4: take a year off. And I can't say I should
[16:11] Speaker 4: I shouldn't. I don't really believe in regrets, Lalla, I don't.
[16:14] Speaker 4: I think it's a useless thought and sentimental. There's nothing
[16:17] Speaker 4: you can do about it, exactly exactly, so it is
[16:20] Speaker 4: what it is. But I really had this very strong
[16:23] Speaker 4: feeling that, you know, it was not going to be right.
[16:27] Speaker 4: I don't think I was in the right headspace.
[16:31] Speaker 3: I think that I was.
[16:34] Speaker 4: Not as grounded as I needed to be, and when
[16:39] Speaker 4: you do a show like this, you really need to
[16:40] Speaker 4: be grounded.
[16:41] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[16:42] Speaker 4: I really felt like I need to focus on the
[16:45] Speaker 4: children and focus on moving this divorce forward, trying to
[16:50] Speaker 4: trying to connect with p K, which I knew was
[16:53] Speaker 4: going to be the best situation for all of us. Right,
[16:56] Speaker 4: Ultimately that's the end goal, because how do you effectively
[17:00] Speaker 4: co parent if you cannot have respectful communication, Well, you don't.
[17:06] Speaker 1: You move into parallel parenting, which is where I'm at,
[17:09] Speaker 1: and it's difficult, and both people involved, have to be
[17:15] Speaker 1: willing to do all of the things that were non
[17:17] Speaker 1: negotiables in your relationship an intimate partnership with PK. You
[17:22] Speaker 1: now have to take those and apply it to a
[17:24] Speaker 1: co parenting relationship, which is very hard for men that
[17:29] Speaker 1: are a certain type of man.
[17:30] Speaker 3: Well, yeah, to do that's exactly Right's.
[17:33] Speaker 1: Transparency, the honesty, all of the things. And I know
[17:38] Speaker 1: that when I went through so I wasn't I didn't
[17:41] Speaker 1: go through a divorce, so none of my stuff was public.
[17:44] Speaker 1: Custody is a completely separate like it's closed off. No
[17:47] Speaker 1: one knows the details once you enter a divorce. That
[17:51] Speaker 1: is like fair game for everybody. And I can't imagine
[17:54] Speaker 1: how suffocating it is because it's out there, and then
[17:57] Speaker 1: you got to go talk about it on your show, yes,
[18:00] Speaker 1: and deal with the aftermath. That's right, which is everyone's opinion,
[18:05] Speaker 1: PK's opinion. How did the audience react to this season?
[18:10] Speaker 1: We both spoke about how we live in bubbles. Yes,
[18:13] Speaker 1: what was the honest reaction from people towards you after
[18:17] Speaker 1: this season?
[18:19] Speaker 4: So I'm going to be perfectly honest because I've had
[18:24] Speaker 4: such a you know, fickle journey with the audience over
[18:29] Speaker 4: the last almost decade, I learned to stay away from
[18:34] Speaker 4: reading a lot of threats, so I would have to
[18:37] Speaker 4: ask someone to be honest.
[18:40] Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I know, I will say this.
[18:43] Speaker 4: I think people had what I did here is after
[18:46] Speaker 4: the reunion, So I don't really know during the season,
[18:50] Speaker 4: and maybe you could tell me, but I know after
[18:52] Speaker 4: the reunion, you know, people were having very strong feelings,
[18:56] Speaker 4: you know. To be perfectly honest, though, and it was
[18:59] Speaker 4: hard from me to watch hard. I knew where I was,
[19:03] Speaker 4: I knew where I was emotionally, and it was hard
[19:05] Speaker 4: for you to watch then, just like how I was
[19:09] Speaker 4: very much in my own feelings, okay, and those feelings
[19:13] Speaker 4: were raw and they were I wasn't able to take
[19:18] Speaker 4: a step back. I wasn't able to see things the
[19:22] Speaker 4: way I do typically, where even if I have an opinion,
[19:27] Speaker 4: I'll try to see someone else's side.
[19:30] Speaker 3: You see what I mean.
[19:31] Speaker 2: That's survival. You didn't you.
[19:35] Speaker 1: This is what I gathered from it because I watched
[19:37] Speaker 1: these I gathered from this season. You were definitely harsh, right, yes,
[19:45] Speaker 1: But because I've been there, yeah, where I'm like, what
[19:50] Speaker 1: I am dealing with on a regular basis outside of
[19:54] Speaker 1: this world yes, would bring most people, they would put
[19:58] Speaker 1: them in the fucking grave. So when I saw your
[20:02] Speaker 1: reaction to people, it was like, this is a woman
[20:08] Speaker 1: who is absolutely terrified of her future, has no one
[20:12] Speaker 1: to fall back on but herself.
[20:14] Speaker 2: For the first.
[20:15] Speaker 1: Time, she is alone on an island, and it's like,
[20:20] Speaker 1: figure out how to get off of it.
[20:21] Speaker 2: Yep, that is survival.
[20:22] Speaker 1: And let me tell you, when you can look at
[20:25] Speaker 1: the person that you pro created with, loved on such
[20:30] Speaker 1: a deep and intimate level, they became a part of you,
[20:32] Speaker 1: When you can walk away from that, you can fucking
[20:36] Speaker 1: walk away from anybody. It's like, this is no problem.
[20:38] Speaker 1: So when you reacted to Kyle and Erica that way,
[20:44] Speaker 1: I understood. And you're not not meaning you just women
[20:49] Speaker 1: who are put in those positions. You're not yourself. You're
[20:53] Speaker 1: going to war for your heart and soul, your children. Right.
[20:57] Speaker 1: The most vulnerable position that a woman can be in
[20:59] Speaker 1: is entering a divorce and a custody battle. And in
[21:04] Speaker 1: those systems, the women are looked at as volatile, emotional, unhinged, scorned.
[21:11] Speaker 2: So you got to keep a brave face.
[21:12] Speaker 1: And let me tell you, even when you act logically,
[21:16] Speaker 1: the moment that that changes. It's see, I knew it unhinged, right,
[21:21] Speaker 1: so I understood where you were coming from.
[21:24] Speaker 2: I definitely did.
[21:26] Speaker 3: I love that.
[21:27] Speaker 2: Really, I'm not just gassing you up. Oh no, no, no,
[21:29] Speaker 2: I have related. I've been here.
[21:32] Speaker 4: Yes, no, And what I do know of you, you're
[21:36] Speaker 4: not the type to gas someone up.
[21:37] Speaker 3: You know it's coming from your heart.
[21:39] Speaker 4: I know that you fully mean it, and I can
[21:41] Speaker 4: see also even in your in your face, you really understand.
[21:47] Speaker 2: I do understand.
[21:48] Speaker 4: You know exactly what you said, and I had been
[21:51] Speaker 4: going through it, you know, just to give you a
[21:54] Speaker 4: little context, because there's a lot that people don't know
[21:58] Speaker 4: from the beginning. And p K at first, well, actually,
[22:03] Speaker 4: and I talk about this in the book.
[22:05] Speaker 2: I want to deep dive into your book, by the way.
[22:07] Speaker 4: Yes, yes, well I'll say this. When when we agreed
[22:12] Speaker 4: to separate, it was actually PK was sober and he
[22:17] Speaker 4: had his sober coach over and it was his sober
[22:20] Speaker 4: coach who sort of told me that we should take
[22:27] Speaker 4: you know, we should separate.
[22:40] Speaker 1: Were you seeing a couple's therapist at any point in time, yes,
[22:43] Speaker 1: And the couple's therapist never said to you this feels
[22:47] Speaker 1: like you need to take a break no, but the
[22:49] Speaker 1: sober coach did.
[22:50] Speaker 2: That's very interesting to me.
[22:51] Speaker 3: It wasn't It wasn't him that said it. It was obviously.
[22:54] Speaker 2: Pkkay, So he was just a mouthpiece exactly got it.
[22:57] Speaker 4: Yes, he didn't have the courage to sit down with
[23:01] Speaker 4: me and say it. That's what I gather because something
[23:04] Speaker 4: that really should have been a conversation between him and I,
[23:09] Speaker 4: he just it wasn't. So I was blindsided, really blindsided.
[23:15] Speaker 4: But like I said, we have two small children, two
[23:18] Speaker 4: children very vulnerable ages, and within twenty four hours I realized, Listen,
[23:23] Speaker 4: the best way for everyone, the best the way everybody
[23:29] Speaker 4: is going to what's going to serve us all best
[23:32] Speaker 4: is if p K and I can put all of
[23:34] Speaker 4: our differences aside and just be respectful communicate. He can
[23:40] Speaker 4: do whatever he wants. This is what he needs, this
[23:42] Speaker 4: is what never mind. Like I was prepared to put
[23:45] Speaker 4: my emotions to the side and just focus on being friends,
[23:49] Speaker 4: preserve a bond that we have, happy to work through
[23:53] Speaker 4: things if you wanted to, in a safe place and
[23:55] Speaker 4: you know, with a therapist. But other than that, we
[23:58] Speaker 4: just stay friendly, am and we can co parent, and
[24:03] Speaker 4: that's all I was focused on. He agreed in the moment,
[24:07] Speaker 4: but a week later it changed and there was no
[24:10] Speaker 4: communication and he basically took off, and in doing that
[24:16] Speaker 4: it kickstarted this intense not only anxiety, but it leads
[24:23] Speaker 4: to so many other problems. Our lives are intertwined, right, Yeah,
[24:28] Speaker 4: fourteen years at this point, and then all of a sudden,
[24:31] Speaker 4: there wasn't a handoff. There wasn't like, Okay, this is
[24:35] Speaker 4: what you need to know, this is what I'm going
[24:37] Speaker 4: to do. I was left blind, totally blind, and I
[24:43] Speaker 4: had no visibility on anything, so I didn't even know
[24:47] Speaker 4: a lot of the things that were going on in
[24:49] Speaker 4: our lives.
[24:50] Speaker 3: Over the course of two years, it.
[24:52] Speaker 4: Was one bomb after another landing in my lap, none
[24:58] Speaker 4: of which world the audience know because what I did
[25:03] Speaker 4: share on Housewives. And there's no way I can film
[25:07] Speaker 4: the season when I'm going through this situation with PK
[25:11] Speaker 4: and pretend that things are hunky dory, right. I can't
[25:15] Speaker 4: not to mention that Mauricio and Pik are very good friends.
[25:20] Speaker 4: Kyle is very close to Mauricio. Kyle knows exactly what's
[25:24] Speaker 4: going on with PK and I at any I mean
[25:28] Speaker 4: I know that, So there was no way I was
[25:31] Speaker 4: going to be able to pretend.
[25:33] Speaker 2: No, you can't pretend to your life exactly. Do you
[25:38] Speaker 2: think when.
[25:39] Speaker 1: You say, Kyle, there was no way that Kyle didn't know.
[25:42] Speaker 1: It wasn't coming from your mouth. She was getting PK sided.
[25:45] Speaker 4: One thousand percent. This is what was so frustrating and
[25:48] Speaker 4: infuriating to me.
[25:49] Speaker 1: Did you ever feel comfortable saying, Kyle, we need to
[25:51] Speaker 1: sit down and have a discussion and I need you
[25:53] Speaker 1: to I need you to understand what I deal with.
[25:55] Speaker 2: Did that conversation ever happen?
[25:57] Speaker 3: Yes?
[25:58] Speaker 4: It did, Yes, yes, more than once. And this was
[26:05] Speaker 4: the mot This was a really difficult thing for me.
[26:10] Speaker 4: Her mouth was saying I support you, I understand, but
[26:16] Speaker 4: there was also well, he's saying something totally different, and
[26:21] Speaker 4: it felt in my heart that she either wanted to
[26:28] Speaker 4: believe what p K was saying or just questioned what
[26:35] Speaker 4: I was saying. No shore either way, either way, don't
[26:39] Speaker 4: like it exactly.
[26:40] Speaker 3: I get that, and especially you know, Lola.
[26:43] Speaker 4: One thing I have that's come out of this separation
[26:46] Speaker 4: divorce is that I really understand and appreciate the value
[26:51] Speaker 4: of friendships, the women in your life that are so
[26:55] Speaker 4: supportive that lifts you up, that that true, truly, you know,
[27:01] Speaker 4: they enricher life. They help you out of this darkness
[27:05] Speaker 4: that you're living in, you know, if you're going through
[27:09] Speaker 4: an acrimonious divorce, which I had been. So it just
[27:13] Speaker 4: felt very much like she. It felt like she was
[27:17] Speaker 4: in PK's corner.
[27:18] Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you feel abandoned by her?
[27:24] Speaker 3: Yes? I did.
[27:27] Speaker 1: Like in the hardest time, Yes, is when you choose
[27:29] Speaker 1: to place Switzerland or say things where you're I'm feeling
[27:34] Speaker 1: like you're kind of more on his side.
[27:35] Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, that was what was really hurtful, especially because
[27:39] Speaker 4: when you know when her and Mo first separated. I
[27:44] Speaker 4: don't know if you know everybody knew this or knows this.
[27:47] Speaker 4: I mean you could see there was one season I
[27:49] Speaker 4: don't even know if it was season fourteen or fifteen,
[27:53] Speaker 4: but they were I mean he leaned in too, like
[27:56] Speaker 4: give her a kiss, and she pulled away. Like you
[27:58] Speaker 4: could tell. They they were not amicable. They weren't like
[28:02] Speaker 4: they are now. And I'm really pleased for them because
[28:05] Speaker 4: they they found, you know, a great place where they're communicating.
[28:09] Speaker 4: They're able to co parent. I mean their children are
[28:11] Speaker 4: slightly you know, they're slightly older. However, they're good friends
[28:16] Speaker 4: and that's great, but you know, she knows what it
[28:20] Speaker 4: was like. Although I think it was her that was
[28:22] Speaker 4: pushing away. In any case, you know, it feels like
[28:29] Speaker 4: I'm going through the hardest time and when I really
[28:32] Speaker 4: needed her support, it really felt like she was in
[28:37] Speaker 4: Moe's corner and Moe was in p case corner.
[28:40] Speaker 3: That makes sense, It.
[28:41] Speaker 1: Makes total sense. So is there any you haven't spoken
[28:45] Speaker 1: to Kyle? Have you spoken to Erica?
[28:48] Speaker 4: We've had some text messages. Yeah, and we'll get together great.
[28:53] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[28:53] Speaker 1: What could happen between you and Kyle that could get
[28:56] Speaker 1: you back to a good place.
[29:00] Speaker 4: Would need to happen is that she would like to
[29:05] Speaker 4: she'd like to meet speak. All she needs to do
[29:12] Speaker 4: really is want to make things better, because I think
[29:16] Speaker 4: you need two people. I'm always open to making things better,
[29:22] Speaker 4: mending fences, that's just my nature anyway. I don't like,
[29:27] Speaker 4: you know, to be on opposite andence. Even if your
[29:30] Speaker 4: men fences and you discover that your friendship has taken
[29:32] Speaker 4: a different shape, that's fine totally, But you know, being
[29:36] Speaker 4: in this situation that we're in now, no, it doesn't
[29:39] Speaker 4: feel nice. This is a long standing friendship. We've known
[29:43] Speaker 4: each other for ten almost ten years. We've been through
[29:47] Speaker 4: a lot, and even whether we've been had her ups
[29:51] Speaker 4: and downs, it doesn't matter somebody that you have.
[29:56] Speaker 3: You know, when you do a show together, you know,
[29:58] Speaker 3: I mean.
[29:59] Speaker 4: You go through an experience, means that the only people
[30:01] Speaker 4: that understand that are the people that are going through it.
[30:05] Speaker 3: And it's really something special.
[30:07] Speaker 4: So I'd hate to see Kyle and I, you know,
[30:10] Speaker 4: not be able to fix things.
[30:12] Speaker 2: Do you think you'll go back for another season?
[30:15] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[30:16] Speaker 2: I'm in there.
[30:17] Speaker 1: You know, you seem like you're in a really in
[30:20] Speaker 1: a good place. I don't want to say a really
[30:21] Speaker 1: good place. You seem like you're in a better place.
[30:24] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.
[30:26] Speaker 4: A lot, a lot has happened emotionally, you know, I've
[30:33] Speaker 4: reached a point where it's now a non negotiable for me.
[30:38] Speaker 4: I feel like I've everything that kind of could have
[30:42] Speaker 4: happened has happened, and I'm in a place where the
[30:47] Speaker 4: rest I need to get through it. Hopefully we're going
[30:50] Speaker 4: to be able to tie this up sooner rather than later.
[30:54] Speaker 4: I'm not holding onto anger or resentment or any of that.
[30:58] Speaker 3: It doesn't serve me.
[31:00] Speaker 4: It doesn't I don't want to bring it where I'm going, right,
[31:04] Speaker 4: so I'm leaving it behind.
[31:05] Speaker 2: I love this. Yeah.
[31:07] Speaker 1: So on that note, I want to talk about your book,
[31:11] Speaker 1: which we saw you shoot.
[31:13] Speaker 2: The cover is just I mean, come on, thank you.
[31:17] Speaker 2: It is so good.
[31:18] Speaker 1: You finally have a work of art, a body of
[31:23] Speaker 1: your experience that is not the narrative, is not shifted
[31:27] Speaker 1: by editing.
[31:30] Speaker 2: It's your story.
[31:32] Speaker 1: When did you sit there and go, you know what,
[31:34] Speaker 1: now is the time for me to put it out there?
[31:37] Speaker 4: I would say about a couple of months before I
[31:41] Speaker 4: actually signed the deal, it was I felt like it
[31:46] Speaker 4: started to feel right. I had things to say. You know,
[31:49] Speaker 4: I had already lived through a few years of some challenges,
[31:54] Speaker 4: and you know, I was in conversations with some people
[31:58] Speaker 4: and a lot of people in our world, and you know,
[32:02] Speaker 4: certainly in the housewives world, you know, write a book.
[32:05] Speaker 4: And some people had asked me, you don't have a book,
[32:08] Speaker 4: and I always said, over the last nine years, you know, no,
[32:11] Speaker 4: I just I didn't feel like I was ready. You know.
[32:15] Speaker 4: Then I reached a point just before I signed, you know,
[32:18] Speaker 4: with my Fantastic Publishers podium, that.
[32:23] Speaker 3: I felt ready.
[32:23] Speaker 4: I felt like I had a lot to say, and
[32:25] Speaker 4: then things were happening in real time, and I felt
[32:28] Speaker 4: like it would be almost cathartic. Okay, yeah, so you
[32:33] Speaker 4: know it felt right. I also felt like I had
[32:36] Speaker 4: been on television over the years, you know, people had
[32:40] Speaker 4: seen parts of my life. But I felt like it
[32:43] Speaker 4: was time to tell the full story in my own
[32:46] Speaker 4: voice without editing, just like you say, and so you
[32:51] Speaker 4: know that's how the journey started.
[33:04] Speaker 1: Was there ever a part of you that thought, it's
[33:07] Speaker 1: not the right time to write a book because I
[33:08] Speaker 1: don't feel that the story is over.
[33:10] Speaker 4: I thought about that, and that was actually the thought
[33:13] Speaker 4: that I had when I was thinking about writing a book.
[33:16] Speaker 4: But then I thought, wait a minute, that's what two, three, four, five, six,
[33:20] Speaker 4: seven or four I can write.
[33:24] Speaker 3: You know, I need to write one book. You know,
[33:27] Speaker 3: a many books. I can write many especially listen.
[33:31] Speaker 4: It feels like everything that happened before the divorce or
[33:36] Speaker 4: coming up to the divorce is a lot.
[33:38] Speaker 3: It's enough.
[33:39] Speaker 4: You know, there's there can be there will be another chapter,
[33:44] Speaker 4: and that could be a different book.
[33:45] Speaker 2: I love this.
[33:46] Speaker 3: So it did feel like the right time.
[33:49] Speaker 1: Was there any because I know that you touch on
[33:52] Speaker 1: p K and I feel like I can't even call
[33:55] Speaker 1: him an older man because twenty years versus your nine.
[33:59] Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, in the right, in the perfect age range.
[34:02] Speaker 1: But you talk about his charm, his humor and all
[34:05] Speaker 1: of these things, and then venture into him struggling with alcohol.
[34:12] Speaker 1: Did you ever think, do I share this or is
[34:17] Speaker 1: it too much? Did that ever cross your mind?
[34:19] Speaker 4: Of course, of course, I mean not only crossed my mind.
[34:23] Speaker 4: I think it stayed. It took up residence in my
[34:26] Speaker 4: mind and stayed there. And you know, I it was
[34:30] Speaker 4: really important to me that I was very honest and vulnerable,
[34:39] Speaker 4: and I did that, and I'm really pleased. However, in
[34:44] Speaker 4: the process, I had thought the whole time, listen, this
[34:48] Speaker 4: is going to be something that my children end up reading.
[34:52] Speaker 4: You know, they're too young now, and I you know,
[34:54] Speaker 4: I have the luxury of being able to keep them
[34:58] Speaker 4: from reading, you know, something like this, at least for
[35:01] Speaker 4: the next few years. But it's also their father. And truly, honestly, Lala,
[35:07] Speaker 4: we had so many more good years than bad, and
[35:12] Speaker 4: that too needs attention, Like that is the story, That
[35:19] Speaker 4: is the real story. Just because the way things are ending,
[35:24] Speaker 4: you know, have where we've gotten to. I don't need
[35:27] Speaker 4: to write a book that evisceraates him that talks about
[35:31] Speaker 4: all the bad moments when there's so many more good
[35:35] Speaker 4: ones to talk about. And that was the foundation of
[35:37] Speaker 4: who we are, and truth be told. The reason why
[35:40] Speaker 4: it's so heartbreaking now, The reason why I struggled so
[35:44] Speaker 4: much the first year and a half of our separation
[35:48] Speaker 4: was because of the love that I felt deep in
[35:52] Speaker 4: my soul, like and I mean in my blood, in.
[35:58] Speaker 3: All of the parts of.
[36:00] Speaker 4: My body and my mind and my heart. And it's
[36:04] Speaker 4: soul crushing when you have that, and then you find
[36:08] Speaker 4: yourself in a situation where everything that you believed was
[36:13] Speaker 4: your life and would be your life now is no
[36:17] Speaker 4: longer and you haven't had the time to envision it,
[36:21] Speaker 4: to process it, to think about it, never mind actually
[36:26] Speaker 4: be able to plan, whereas I feel like he was
[36:30] Speaker 4: ten steps ahead from the very beginning, and that when
[36:36] Speaker 4: you're playing catchup, that's never fun.
[36:39] Speaker 1: That was like taking a bullet, just the thought of
[36:44] Speaker 1: your life being a certain way time. I have a
[36:47] Speaker 1: strange relationship with yeah, because I feel like we blink
[36:50] Speaker 1: and things can just change drastically and your whole life
[36:53] Speaker 1: looks different.
[36:54] Speaker 3: Yep.
[36:55] Speaker 1: And when you have a love story, the love story
[36:58] Speaker 1: that you have and then it to a close. I
[37:01] Speaker 1: have to imagine you sit there and as you're writing
[37:04] Speaker 1: this and remembering all of those fantastic moments, thinking how
[37:09] Speaker 1: the fuck did I get.
[37:12] Speaker 2: To where I am now?
[37:14] Speaker 1: Yes, and you're writing about this beautiful story, and then
[37:18] Speaker 1: all of the sudden you're writing about the end of it,
[37:21] Speaker 1: and you wonder, like you've probably had an out of
[37:26] Speaker 1: body experience, like how did this happen?
[37:29] Speaker 4: Absolutely, it was deeply emotional at times, deeply and I
[37:36] Speaker 4: had to go really deep too, but I did. I mean,
[37:40] Speaker 4: I went through all of it, which is the crux
[37:43] Speaker 4: of who we are, who we were, and when Pique
[37:47] Speaker 4: talks about, oh, you know, to reach changed or it's
[37:51] Speaker 4: really important. It was important to me that the reader
[37:56] Speaker 4: gets a full picture and understands who we were, who
[38:01] Speaker 4: Pik and were.
[38:02] Speaker 3: At the beginning. I mean, PK was not.
[38:06] Speaker 4: I think people looked at us and they thought, oh,
[38:09] Speaker 4: older man, even though he's own, you know, he's a
[38:12] Speaker 4: decade older. Yeah, older man, younger woman. He's got money,
[38:18] Speaker 4: she's you know. But that wasn't the case at all,
[38:22] Speaker 4: like at all. He was bankrupt when I met him.
[38:27] Speaker 4: He was going through a divorce, three children, three three children.
[38:32] Speaker 1: It's not the ideal man at all, three children going
[38:36] Speaker 1: into bankruptcy.
[38:37] Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, exactly at all.
[38:41] Speaker 4: And meanwhile, I was, you know, living in New York City,
[38:44] Speaker 4: living my best life.
[38:45] Speaker 3: I had been engaged twice.
[38:47] Speaker 4: Wow, And I mean all of this is in the book,
[38:51] Speaker 4: but I had sworn off men after the second engagement,
[38:54] Speaker 4: and I went thirteen months with all. I mean, I
[38:58] Speaker 4: was out with all my friends and my gay best
[39:00] Speaker 4: friend who him and I swore if we never get married,
[39:04] Speaker 4: we're going to.
[39:04] Speaker 3: Marry each other.
[39:05] Speaker 4: And you know, we were running around Manhattan living our
[39:09] Speaker 4: best lives. And they knew when we were out because
[39:13] Speaker 4: in Manhattan, you know, it's like nine women to every man.
[39:16] Speaker 4: So they knew that they kept they were like my watchdogs,
[39:23] Speaker 4: you know, like they were the gatekeepers, right because they
[39:25] Speaker 4: knew I wanted nothing to do with men, nothing to
[39:27] Speaker 4: do with dating. I was focused on my company that
[39:30] Speaker 4: I had started a couple of years before that, and
[39:34] Speaker 4: I was focused on being having fun.
[39:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, and keeping your inner piece, because we all know,
[39:39] Speaker 1: the moment a man enters, you fucks with your peace.
[39:43] Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't like that for me for a
[39:46] Speaker 4: long time. Really, Oh my god, A long time. PK
[39:52] Speaker 4: was my piece. He was my whole piece.
[39:55] Speaker 1: I always say they're amazing until they're not. And yeah,
[39:59] Speaker 1: what I love about this book and your journey and
[40:02] Speaker 1: you putting your whole heart and soul even though it
[40:04] Speaker 1: is about you, it's your memoir. Whoever reads it, especially
[40:11] Speaker 1: women who we know the demographic, they're going to understand
[40:15] Speaker 1: that life is so nuanced, that experiences are going to happen,
[40:21] Speaker 1: and you changing. When people say, even about their wife
[40:25] Speaker 1: or soon to be ex wife, they've changed, I should
[40:28] Speaker 1: fucking hope so. And I think your book is going
[40:32] Speaker 1: to allow women to say, you know what, it's okay
[40:36] Speaker 1: for me to make changes just because someone married this version.
[40:41] Speaker 1: How fucking boring to be stuck in that forever. I
[40:45] Speaker 1: think there's going to be a lot of healing that
[40:48] Speaker 1: comes from this, not only for you, but for your readers,
[40:50] Speaker 1: which I like any book that I read that's about somebody,
[40:54] Speaker 1: but I feel like they're telling my story is just
[40:57] Speaker 1: like a warm hug. And I think it's fantastic that
[41:01] Speaker 1: you wrote the book. I think it was therapeutic for you,
[41:04] Speaker 1: as you just said, yep. And when the story is complete,
[41:07] Speaker 1: you'll write another book. Yes, absolutely, I want to leave
[41:10] Speaker 1: it on this. Are we outdating after two years? Do
[41:15] Speaker 1: we have anybody? What's our type?
[41:17] Speaker 3: Okay?
[41:18] Speaker 2: Should we be each other's wing women?
[41:20] Speaker 1: Yes?
[41:21] Speaker 4: We should one million percent. I don't have anyone to
[41:26] Speaker 4: speak of now. Okay, However, if you'll have me on
[41:31] Speaker 4: next time, I'm hoping that answer will be different.
[41:35] Speaker 2: You're always most welcome on here.
[41:36] Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.
[41:37] Speaker 4: I've really enjoyed it, you know, la la listen, It's
[41:41] Speaker 4: like I said earlier, it's been a long time. However,
[41:45] Speaker 4: I I know I'm good at it.
[41:51] Speaker 2: Have we been intimate since?
[41:52] Speaker 3: No?
[41:53] Speaker 1: No?
[41:54] Speaker 3: Really no?
[41:55] Speaker 2: Can I ask you about vibrators?
[41:57] Speaker 3: Like anything? Do we have that love them? Yeah?
[42:02] Speaker 4: Funny enough? I actually you know I forgot about them. Well,
[42:07] Speaker 4: I was in my marriage, but I've I was reminded
[42:13] Speaker 4: of them in my separation.
[42:16] Speaker 2: I love this.
[42:18] Speaker 1: I've recently discovered British men they've never been my type.
[42:22] Speaker 1: With your experience, should I steer clear or should I
[42:25] Speaker 1: dive deep? Oh?
[42:26] Speaker 4: My goodness, you know it's hard. I mean, first of all,
[42:31] Speaker 4: my second fiance was also British.
[42:34] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we have a type. I have a little tie.
[42:37] Speaker 3: I know you know what, I don't know.
[42:39] Speaker 4: It's so much British, but I will say I've never
[42:42] Speaker 4: did an American oh ever, ever.
[42:45] Speaker 1: All right, we'll do a little swapeh by the way,
[42:49] Speaker 1: once I throw the men that you'll never go back.
[42:52] Speaker 1: No oh no, trust me, draw all the vibrators. And
[42:58] Speaker 1: a reminder you guys that Unburdened by Drek Kemsley you
[43:02] Speaker 1: have to read it. It is out now, the physical copy,
[43:06] Speaker 1: the audiobook, get it wherever you get your books.
[43:09] Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on.
[43:10] Speaker 1: Thank you amazing, and I think you're just fucking everything.
[43:15] Speaker 1: Just know that, you guys, thank you for listening to
[43:18] Speaker 1: another episode of Untraditionally La La. I will catch you
[43:20] Speaker 1: on Monday for the bonus again next week for a
[43:22] Speaker 1: regular old episode and a reminder an Unlikely Affair airs
[43:25] Speaker 1: every Thursday at nine pm.
[43:27] Speaker 2: Love you bye,

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