# An Unlikely Affair: Girl Talk with Natalie Halcro & Olivia Pierson

An episode of [Untraditionally Lala](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1494722390), 17 Jul 2026, 48 min.

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Natalie Halcro and Olivia Pierson stop by to discuss their new Hulu reality show, The Girls. They reflect on building businesses together, navigating motherhood, and why friendship comes before everything else. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Hi Amber, Hilelah, Welcome to an unlikely affair.
[0:09] Speaker 2: Hey, babes, it.
[0:10] Speaker 1: Is Laala Kent and my girl Amber Childers. Hi baby,
[0:13] Speaker 1: hi baby, welcome to.
[0:15] Speaker 2: An unlikely affair.
[0:16] Speaker 1: I'm so hyped on Today we have Olivia Pearson and
[0:19] Speaker 1: Natalie Halcrow. For those of you living under a rock,
[0:21] Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a little rundown of who we have.
[0:24] Speaker 2: So Olivia and do you go by NAT's Nat? Natalie?
[0:29] Speaker 1: Okay, both from Canada. Canada makes the hottest fucking women
[0:33] Speaker 1: by the way, so congratulations on that.
[0:36] Speaker 2: Olivia.
[0:37] Speaker 1: Olivia, you were a styling assistant to an influencer reality
[0:43] Speaker 1: TV personality. She has a passion for health and wellness,
[0:46] Speaker 1: often sharing the routines and practices that support her lifestyle.
[0:49] Speaker 1: I'm giving you a fucking follow after this. Natalie, you
[0:53] Speaker 1: this blew my fucking mind. You helped Instagram launch the
[0:57] Speaker 1: grid layout in twenty twelve.
[1:00] Speaker 2: Please elaborate what does that mean?
[1:02] Speaker 3: I mean, I don't okay, I don't want to actually
[1:04] Speaker 3: taken in talks with Instagram. No, if you know, you
[1:09] Speaker 3: know type sitch, what I would know? Do you want
[1:12] Speaker 3: to say I like posting because I mean you are
[1:16] Speaker 3: so talented, but okay, so you know, when Instagram started
[1:20] Speaker 3: the pretty aesthetic feeds, like when you go to it, it
[1:23] Speaker 3: looks like a magazine. The colors match, nothing's too crazy
[1:27] Speaker 3: or busy or whatever. I will go and said, I
[1:30] Speaker 3: think Natalie, at least not the first, like one of
[1:33] Speaker 3: the first, if not the first, people to do that.
[1:36] Speaker 3: Her eye is just so good. You're aesthetically very talented,
[1:40] Speaker 3: and I think that's why a lot of you know,
[1:43] Speaker 3: but I think that's why a lot of following also
[1:45] Speaker 3: started coming. We were posting our makeup or outfits and
[1:48] Speaker 3: then you were like, let me go one step further
[1:50] Speaker 3: and make it all look pretty on my feed back
[1:52] Speaker 3: in the day, I feel like no one was doing that,
[1:53] Speaker 3: so it was like I feel like even just like
[1:57] Speaker 3: selfies were like a thing where people were like making
[1:59] Speaker 3: fun of you for doing this. I feel no, we didn't,
[2:02] Speaker 3: but I just feel like at the beginning it was
[2:04] Speaker 3: like a just even post a selfie and then to
[2:06] Speaker 3: like list what products are using, Like no one was
[2:09] Speaker 3: doing that. That was like so new, you know, And
[2:12] Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I didn't coin myself the
[2:14] Speaker 3: trail Brazer for this, someone else did, well. I did, because.
[2:17] Speaker 1: Which makes it more fabulous though when someone else and
[2:21] Speaker 1: you're not just like the self proclaimed, it's like, oh,
[2:24] Speaker 1: this is like a title that someone.
[2:25] Speaker 2: Else gave me. I'm into it.
[2:28] Speaker 1: You also share digital media, you're both of your instagrams
[2:32] Speaker 1: are gorgeous, and you're a single mama, Yes I am.
[2:35] Speaker 2: And how old is your baby?
[2:36] Speaker 3: She's six six?
[2:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just have to know, because how long
[2:41] Speaker 1: have you guys been in LA?
[2:42] Speaker 3: For eleven and a half years?
[2:45] Speaker 2: And what did you move to LA to do the first.
[2:48] Speaker 3: TV show we're on called Wegs Reality TV?
[2:51] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[2:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, so we were both still in Vancouver and how
[2:57] Speaker 3: do we break it down? So it's not so a
[2:59] Speaker 3: long haul. But we had a girlfriend, Nicole, who lived
[3:01] Speaker 3: here and she and her agent were presented the show
[3:05] Speaker 3: and she reached out to Nally and was like, hey,
[3:09] Speaker 3: do you want to do this? And Alie's like, well, yeah,
[3:12] Speaker 3: Olivia is coming too, because we were both in Canada.
[3:14] Speaker 3: So yeah, they were looking for girls that were dating
[3:17] Speaker 3: athletes at the time because I was like wives and
[3:18] Speaker 3: girlfriends the sports stars and so Nicole's boyfriend at the
[3:22] Speaker 3: time was playing on the same team as my boyfriend.
[3:25] Speaker 3: So her agent was like, oh, do you know anyone
[3:27] Speaker 3: else that's like dating an athlete, And so they approached
[3:30] Speaker 3: about the show, and then we were like, I'm like,
[3:33] Speaker 3: I'm never not going without her.
[3:36] Speaker 2: We're packing.
[3:37] Speaker 3: Well, she's single, and I'm like, yeah, I'm not dating
[3:41] Speaker 3: anyone right now. They're like too bad. Two for one. Yeah,
[3:47] Speaker 3: So that was originally how we first came out to LA.
[3:49] Speaker 3: We like blindly were like, yeah, we're coming.
[3:52] Speaker 2: We're getting a visa because it's not easy.
[3:54] Speaker 3: I don't know if you girls are familiar, but it's not.
[3:56] Speaker 3: And even with having a show and e it wasn't
[3:59] Speaker 3: like the easyest thing you need like network execs to
[4:01] Speaker 3: signed letters and and you get a loader and.
[4:03] Speaker 2: The whole thing.
[4:05] Speaker 3: But we were blindly We always joke like when we
[4:07] Speaker 3: were younger, our manifestation was so much almost better, because
[4:11] Speaker 3: you're almost I don't want to say dumber, but like
[4:14] Speaker 3: the world hasn't.
[4:15] Speaker 2: Hurt you enough. Ye, you're obliviate.
[4:19] Speaker 3: L A and of course you're going to be on
[4:20] Speaker 3: a TV show and get our visas and move there.
[4:22] Speaker 3: Of course. And we had vision boards. Honestly before it
[4:24] Speaker 3: was like the trendy. We put literally like the symbol
[4:28] Speaker 3: in the middle of the board in American money and
[4:31] Speaker 3: like everything that came true, like our mom We showed
[4:34] Speaker 3: our moms and they're like, oh yeah you guys and go.
[4:36] Speaker 2: For it, like.
[4:38] Speaker 3: Totally we're nutstill, like okay, girls, sure, it's before I
[4:41] Speaker 3: g was when we were making the board. So it
[4:43] Speaker 3: was a little like there was like celebrities we cut
[4:47] Speaker 3: their heads off put ours on like it was really yeah,
[4:53] Speaker 3: when no one was really doing that. So our family
[4:55] Speaker 3: was like, I'm like, I write myself and like my kids, if.
[5:03] Speaker 2: You write yourself a check, Yeah, what's the number on
[5:06] Speaker 2: that check?
[5:06] Speaker 4: You know it's a.
[5:10] Speaker 2: Lot here.
[5:11] Speaker 5: And you know what if I have to aim ridiculously
[5:13] Speaker 5: high and I land somewhere between good exactly as you know,
[5:18] Speaker 5: like your life has manifested everything.
[5:21] Speaker 4: It's it's not it's not this weird like let's do
[5:26] Speaker 4: vision boards. It's like there's an energy is listening and
[5:31] Speaker 4: if you put it out there.
[5:33] Speaker 5: It's like when people say like, oh, what if this
[5:34] Speaker 5: doesn't happen and you have to say, well, what if everything?
[5:37] Speaker 3: What is love like? To believe it? And they I mean,
[5:42] Speaker 3: we still have it now, but we weren't like I
[5:44] Speaker 3: look back and go that's what I mean, just like
[5:46] Speaker 3: would both waitresses at a restaurant, we just would tell
[5:49] Speaker 3: peop are working with what we're going to have our
[5:51] Speaker 3: own sho oh yeah, we're gonna be honey, like everybody
[5:58] Speaker 3: like crazy. People have to be delusion.
[6:00] Speaker 2: In this town.
[6:01] Speaker 5: If you stepped into Hollywood, you have you can't just
[6:03] Speaker 5: set your bar so fucking low.
[6:05] Speaker 4: It has to be so outrageous.
[6:06] Speaker 2: Like I originally like people.
[6:09] Speaker 3: Like made fun of us from a small town in
[6:11] Speaker 3: Canada and everyone's like, oh my god, they're sure. Girls
[6:13] Speaker 3: were like yeah, totally like yeah, and we just blindly
[6:19] Speaker 3: I gotta say though, to what it really was just
[6:23] Speaker 3: like a natural feeling like it was trying to moving there.
[6:29] Speaker 3: We're going to be on a show.
[6:30] Speaker 5: Okay, so now you're on WAGS at that point in
[6:32] Speaker 5: your career, How did that transition?
[6:35] Speaker 4: Like was it everything you imagined? Was it harder?
[6:38] Speaker 2: Was it easier?
[6:39] Speaker 4: Like walk me through that.
[6:41] Speaker 3: I think the also good part. We were so much younger,
[6:45] Speaker 3: and like we just moved to l A and we're
[6:47] Speaker 3: like drinking like everywhere like this, we're partying and even
[6:51] Speaker 3: on our right on a fucking Tuesday, we read see
[6:55] Speaker 3: in that little cafe.
[6:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're filming a show.
[6:58] Speaker 3: Call it like the days, because we come to America.
[7:00] Speaker 3: We were like we were in the Days, and we'd
[7:03] Speaker 3: come to America, like Americans understand you guys don't get
[7:06] Speaker 3: even just something simple like bathroom body works. To us
[7:09] Speaker 3: was just like or factory anything America honestly, like, it's
[7:16] Speaker 3: just yeah, I want to we're staying on our show.
[7:18] Speaker 3: To Natalie that like next season, we want to film
[7:21] Speaker 3: like going to even like a college campus, like we
[7:23] Speaker 3: never got to do like the US cheerleader and frat
[7:28] Speaker 3: thing that's a movie Friday night lights or anything. Nothing.
[7:32] Speaker 1: So it just.
[7:33] Speaker 2: Produced really hot chicks.
[7:34] Speaker 3: To just sit around around and just yeah no seriously.
[7:38] Speaker 3: But so we were like this is just amazing. We
[7:41] Speaker 3: were having so much fun and we're like, oh, our
[7:43] Speaker 3: dreams coming true. Of course we're filming. We're just having fun.
[7:46] Speaker 3: We're in la and I think we just like envisioned
[7:50] Speaker 3: ourselves filming so much, like in a crazy way that
[7:52] Speaker 3: when we did it, we were like, oh, well, yeah,
[7:54] Speaker 3: here we.
[7:55] Speaker 5: Are at the time, and I imagine you found a
[7:58] Speaker 5: boyfriend like in two seconds, yeah.
[8:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah totally.
[8:02] Speaker 3: And then he came on the show and then some
[8:06] Speaker 3: teas we broke up, and then another season's my actual
[8:10] Speaker 3: boyfriend won't film and was he an athlete? Yes, okay, yeah,
[8:15] Speaker 3: so then I'm going on dates on the Way show.
[8:18] Speaker 1: Did you find it hard to like live your authentic
[8:20] Speaker 1: lives on camera or were you pretty much an open
[8:23] Speaker 1: book and would talk about anything?
[8:25] Speaker 3: We were open, were open, and I think we were
[8:29] Speaker 3: very open. Yeah, and yeah we're getting our assholes, bleach,
[8:32] Speaker 3: getting ner vaginasty. Yeah yeah, you filmed everything with your
[8:38] Speaker 3: ex and then we followed my journey as well relationally.
[8:42] Speaker 3: But no, yeah, I think we were pretty open. I
[8:44] Speaker 3: think that's why people resonated, is like, also I have
[8:49] Speaker 3: to say we're family in that chemistry of just like
[8:52] Speaker 3: you know, we've known each other since we were born,
[8:53] Speaker 3: I think came through on camera and the comfortability we
[8:57] Speaker 3: were so authentic because you girls, know, you forget the cameras,
[9:01] Speaker 3: so like we're just hanging out fucking around, right, So
[9:03] Speaker 3: I think that came through. And I was always obviously
[9:06] Speaker 3: comfortable with you and our good girlfriend Nicole, But there
[9:09] Speaker 3: was times again I'm sure you girls know, with like
[9:12] Speaker 3: producing stuff that like it's tough because they want you
[9:14] Speaker 3: to show, like well, show this part and you're like.
[9:17] Speaker 1: So Amber is like she's an actress and like poison
[9:21] Speaker 1: well spoken, So she's like in that world where I've
[9:26] Speaker 1: been doing reality to me, we we're just talking about
[9:29] Speaker 1: orgasms on camera.
[9:30] Speaker 4: So I'm telling you.
[9:33] Speaker 2: Are a voice because while we were talking.
[9:35] Speaker 1: About that, she's like, in order to orgasm, you have
[9:37] Speaker 1: to look yourself in the vagina, and she's like, no, no,
[9:42] Speaker 1: in the eyes in the mirror.
[9:42] Speaker 3: I was like, got it.
[9:44] Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I really love your.
[9:48] Speaker 4: Results.
[9:50] Speaker 1: That's right the same, But they do tend to want
[9:55] Speaker 1: like the big explosive fights. And I don't know if.
[9:57] Speaker 2: If E and Brabha.
[9:58] Speaker 1: I feel like each netw work has its own formula
[10:01] Speaker 1: because there's just so many different Like I'm sure even
[10:03] Speaker 1: with Hulu, with your guys' new show The Girls on Hulu,
[10:07] Speaker 1: their formula for making reality TV is different than the
[10:10] Speaker 1: last network that.
[10:11] Speaker 3: You are learning. Yeah, it's all so different, different. Yeah,
[10:15] Speaker 3: I want to dive into that for sure. It's different.
[10:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so excited about the show.
[10:19] Speaker 5: Thanks. I've never been a reality I don't like because
[10:23] Speaker 5: of our past.
[10:24] Speaker 4: I think you kind of just like turned me.
[10:25] Speaker 2: Off a little bit. Lately.
[10:28] Speaker 4: I've been a little because the scripted stuff on TV,
[10:30] Speaker 4: they're just getting it.
[10:33] Speaker 2: I might as well just watch reality, like I don't
[10:34] Speaker 2: know what's worth. And then I watched I don't know
[10:37] Speaker 2: what's worse.
[10:41] Speaker 5: If you experience what I experienced in my shoes, you
[10:45] Speaker 5: wouldn't be so fond of reality. But then, but yes,
[10:49] Speaker 5: I was naive and I just dove into my first
[10:52] Speaker 5: reality show.
[10:53] Speaker 4: And now that's all I could fucking.
[10:56] Speaker 2: Which I will choose? Which one? It's love that Nator?
[11:01] Speaker 3: We love I'm so nice. We met them because upfronts
[11:05] Speaker 3: are get real?
[11:06] Speaker 2: Who get real? We met them.
[11:07] Speaker 3: They were so lovely.
[11:08] Speaker 2: It wasn't bad.
[11:11] Speaker 5: It wasn't like I've only seen clips of vander Pump
[11:14] Speaker 5: and I only use that as reference because of that situation.
[11:17] Speaker 4: But I it just wasn't for me, like gave me
[11:19] Speaker 4: a head because there was so much chaos going on
[11:21] Speaker 4: in my life time.
[11:23] Speaker 5: I'm like, I want fucking Buddha music totally, but love
[11:27] Speaker 5: I need her.
[11:28] Speaker 3: It's really fun. It's fun. Yeah, it's so good and exciting.
[11:32] Speaker 5: Yeah, and I have sisters too, so late and our relationship,
[11:36] Speaker 5: you know, it's like I get it so.
[11:38] Speaker 3: But I also get it too I've never really been
[11:40] Speaker 3: a reality fan, to be honest.
[11:41] Speaker 2: So would you not watch your own show?
[11:43] Speaker 5: No?
[11:43] Speaker 3: I mean we would sometimes have to whatever to watch,
[11:46] Speaker 3: Like well, back in the day you do live tweeting.
[11:48] Speaker 3: That's aging when tweet ye, so you'd be watching it.
[11:53] Speaker 3: But but we ever like watch. I know there's a
[11:56] Speaker 3: lot of episodes I didn't see, and then other shows. Yeah,
[11:58] Speaker 3: I just never watched anything. Was never a reality TV watcher.
[12:02] Speaker 3: I'm a watcher. Okay, Murder, we usually wind up with Murder,
[12:07] Speaker 3: really twisted, weird. They were like, why do we always
[12:11] Speaker 3: go to this because because it's like so so oh my,
[12:18] Speaker 3: because you're like, yeah, wow, how did this happen? Yeah,
[12:22] Speaker 3: but it's a bit questionable.
[12:32] Speaker 4: So after Wags, what did how was that?
[12:35] Speaker 6: Transitioned back into not There's all three?
[12:38] Speaker 2: That was three seasons, three.
[12:40] Speaker 3: Seasons, yeah, and everyone told us you guys won't do
[12:42] Speaker 3: good because you're not like the drama types. And then
[12:44] Speaker 3: we ended up getting our own spin off from that
[12:46] Speaker 3: show just us. Yeah, it was called Relatively and Live.
[12:49] Speaker 3: But our family and us and at the time our girlfriends,
[12:53] Speaker 3: as we all know, Kardashians were huge on e and
[12:56] Speaker 3: we have a similar like big family, and he was like,
[12:59] Speaker 3: we can't have like two family in La so you
[13:01] Speaker 3: got to shoot it back in Vancouver. And I was like, no,
[13:06] Speaker 3: we were to leave this. Honestly, was very confused and
[13:13] Speaker 3: I look at her. I'm like, this is all going
[13:14] Speaker 3: so good. We've got our goal because our goal was
[13:16] Speaker 3: our own show, like wet Board, so I'm like, we
[13:18] Speaker 3: did it another manifestation, but I was like, you're shooting
[13:21] Speaker 3: in Vancouver and yeah, and then like fitting the mold.
[13:24] Speaker 3: But and the thing that made us like popular on
[13:27] Speaker 3: the WEG Show was our comedy, Like we're known for
[13:29] Speaker 3: our comedy. And then when we did our own show
[13:32] Speaker 3: in Canada, we're like, is this like an inside job?
[13:34] Speaker 3: It felt weird because whoever was editing it edit out
[13:37] Speaker 3: all the comedy something felt were like job. So we're like,
[13:40] Speaker 3: this is our stick is like comedy, so to leave
[13:42] Speaker 3: that out felt really like this isn't us. And now
[13:45] Speaker 3: we're back in Canada and like and then thankfully COVID
[13:49] Speaker 3: hit during like because we had a contract i think
[13:51] Speaker 3: for a couple of years and with the production company
[13:53] Speaker 3: and with e and then COVID hit after season one,
[13:56] Speaker 3: so we were like out of it because of COVID
[13:59] Speaker 3: and then just time pregnant and it was like pregnant
[14:01] Speaker 3: and then and we were out of that contract and
[14:05] Speaker 3: then we're like, we're never doing really to again. Like
[14:07] Speaker 3: buts you like a little wounded by the last experience
[14:12] Speaker 3: that we were like because we hit the ground and
[14:15] Speaker 3: went hard. Like we're the type where again we come
[14:17] Speaker 3: from white hard introverts, so it's hard for us to
[14:19] Speaker 3: be on that much. We were on like seven years straight.
[14:23] Speaker 3: So I need my nervous system needed to go to
[14:25] Speaker 3: sleep and hibernate for like years.
[14:27] Speaker 2: I would.
[14:28] Speaker 1: So it's so funny that you say that because I'm
[14:31] Speaker 1: in the same way. I'm like such a homebody and
[14:34] Speaker 1: I feel like when I walk into a room like it.
[14:36] Speaker 3: You have to because on and it's a performance.
[14:40] Speaker 1: Yes, And so when I tell people that I'm a
[14:42] Speaker 1: homebody and an introvert, they're like, I would never guess that.
[14:45] Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm in a panic mode the entire time
[14:48] Speaker 1: that I'm with humans. And so because I would not
[14:52] Speaker 1: gather that from either of you.
[14:53] Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, yeah, we're big, we're big chronic and we're
[14:56] Speaker 3: so we're hard workers. We come from again Canada. We
[14:59] Speaker 3: just we'd have three jobs at a time. When we
[15:02] Speaker 3: show up, we want to make a show or we
[15:03] Speaker 3: want to work hard. We're not We're not the socking type.
[15:06] Speaker 3: So we went hard for seven years straight, working as
[15:09] Speaker 3: off like and someone couldn't swow up to a scene.
[15:12] Speaker 3: A producer would call be like, now live can you
[15:14] Speaker 3: We're like great, sure, throwing our makeup, like we were
[15:16] Speaker 3: those type of workers, and we prod ourselves in hard work,
[15:20] Speaker 3: but we were exhausted by the end of our own show.
[15:23] Speaker 3: The family show also that took a lot out because
[15:26] Speaker 3: love our family, but there's like what was the fourteen total,
[15:29] Speaker 3: and we were producers as well as starting Yeah, yeah,
[15:33] Speaker 3: you're dealing with their personal and emotions or like I
[15:37] Speaker 3: don't know if like you know, sometimes you're like, oh,
[15:40] Speaker 3: how's that going to look? You know, so you're like,
[15:41] Speaker 3: I'm all look back, and then you're putting out this fired.
[15:44] Speaker 3: It was just to all for it to not be
[15:47] Speaker 3: edited or like presented the way that we like wanted
[15:50] Speaker 3: or felt true to us. So really it was okay,
[15:52] Speaker 3: like I think it's a cute watch, but like it
[15:55] Speaker 3: should have been a lot better in my opinions. So
[15:58] Speaker 3: you got relieved when you were totally and COVID hit
[16:00] Speaker 3: was like a blessing disguise. It was like newly born,
[16:04] Speaker 3: So it was just a nice little world. Was weird
[16:05] Speaker 3: as hell happening all of us, right, yeah, yeah, And
[16:09] Speaker 3: at that point we got forced. We were at the
[16:11] Speaker 3: ten thousand building, which was beautiful and amazing, but all
[16:14] Speaker 3: the amenities shut down during COVID, So we're like, why
[16:16] Speaker 3: are we paying all this money to be it is here?
[16:18] Speaker 3: Overpriced as it is as it is, and then they
[16:21] Speaker 3: cut the amenities, are like, hey, let make it out
[16:23] Speaker 3: of here. And then you were outgrowing because it does.
[16:26] Speaker 3: And then Kim and Chloe were like, come to the
[16:27] Speaker 3: come to the valley, and we're like the valley like.
[16:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, we never like Siberia. We saw that.
[16:38] Speaker 3: We're like, oh, it's so fun. So we got rented
[16:41] Speaker 3: a house together and hidden hills and we're like, we'll
[16:43] Speaker 3: see how it goes. And then all of a sudden
[16:45] Speaker 3: we're like, really good, right we put together you have
[16:51] Speaker 3: quite the space. And then obviously now with my niece,
[16:55] Speaker 3: I'm just like I don't want to like not be
[16:57] Speaker 3: around I mean obviously, and we grew up in that
[16:59] Speaker 3: we were dream yeah, until we meet her. We joke
[17:03] Speaker 3: like it's last house before we just stop saying.
[17:07] Speaker 2: Yeah it was that still the setup right now?
[17:10] Speaker 3: So yes, so we moved out and we're now just
[17:13] Speaker 3: the Cowbass area. But when it came time to moving,
[17:16] Speaker 3: we're like, should we run it back Againner? And you know,
[17:19] Speaker 3: I think it's a couple of years ago now as
[17:23] Speaker 3: a four three Dove was three. She's sitting there. So anyways,
[17:28] Speaker 3: when we go to switch another place, we're like, do
[17:30] Speaker 3: we split up again? We yeah, we'll just go for
[17:32] Speaker 3: another house again. See how it goes. Thinking we're going
[17:35] Speaker 3: to meet our husband's.
[17:36] Speaker 2: Next week and then we haven't liked him yet.
[17:40] Speaker 3: We've done I've done some dating, but so it just
[17:43] Speaker 3: kind of works right now.
[17:44] Speaker 2: I think that's amazing.
[17:47] Speaker 3: We come to more big family. We grew up like
[17:49] Speaker 3: every Sunday, our families would be together during family dinner,
[17:52] Speaker 3: and like even right now, like her mom will go
[17:55] Speaker 3: visit my parents and stay with him for like a week,
[17:57] Speaker 3: and then like her brother was just with us for
[17:59] Speaker 3: almost in my then, Like we just always are all together,
[18:02] Speaker 3: we girls, especially with your single mom.
[18:05] Speaker 5: Yeah, like it's probably so nice having you there because
[18:07] Speaker 5: if you want to go out with your girls or whatever,
[18:09] Speaker 5: and you're like, you know what tonight, I just want
[18:10] Speaker 5: to do a face mask with my niece.
[18:11] Speaker 4: Like it's such a beautiful setup.
[18:13] Speaker 3: And if I'm not like married and have like a
[18:15] Speaker 3: family structure, traditional family structure, like what's the next best
[18:19] Speaker 3: thing then to have family in that she wakes up
[18:23] Speaker 3: to constant family. That's like I couldn't even ask for anything.
[18:26] Speaker 5: Idea of her a husband and a man because I
[18:29] Speaker 5: were married for seven years.
[18:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, the older I get, I'm like, shit,
[18:35] Speaker 3: I know we have we have before, we have good dads,
[18:38] Speaker 3: and we're realizing just like first of all, now nowadays
[18:41] Speaker 3: and whatever, it's just like this is like what is that?
[18:44] Speaker 3: That's so I don't know anyone else. Maybe no, I'm
[18:47] Speaker 3: not really well my sister Nicole, like a few people's hope.
[18:54] Speaker 1: Yet, when you guys got onto TV and you were
[18:57] Speaker 1: doing your thing, did you find it became harder to
[19:00] Speaker 1: date or easier?
[19:01] Speaker 3: I think harter you think. I think when it was
[19:04] Speaker 3: more incognito, it was easier. I think now that you
[19:08] Speaker 3: kind of like have a name or like you're in
[19:10] Speaker 3: the public, it's it's different, I think because the person
[19:16] Speaker 3: I mean, if they don't know who you are and
[19:18] Speaker 3: meet you, I guess, but if they know of you
[19:20] Speaker 3: on social they have to be okay with your job
[19:22] Speaker 3: and that you're probably you know what I mean. So that
[19:24] Speaker 3: right there takes away some of the pool.
[19:27] Speaker 1: That's why I'm finding that it's harder because you can
[19:29] Speaker 1: behind that.
[19:30] Speaker 2: You think, who are way too thirsty.
[19:33] Speaker 3: But that's the thing.
[19:34] Speaker 1: They're so excited that they want nothing to do with it.
[19:37] Speaker 2: And like, my job, so I have to do this.
[19:40] Speaker 1: I literally provide for my child by putting my entire
[19:43] Speaker 1: life out there. And obviously you can still have your
[19:46] Speaker 1: personal life and baby that.
[19:48] Speaker 2: But the men who want nothing to do like it's
[19:51] Speaker 2: the great. Yeah, I know.
[19:52] Speaker 3: And I feel like usually a lot of the good
[19:54] Speaker 3: guys don't want anything to do with it. I think
[19:57] Speaker 3: that might not be true, but yeah, they would prefer
[20:01] Speaker 3: to maybe not be involved in all this stuff, but
[20:03] Speaker 3: maybe not see.
[20:04] Speaker 1: And I'm like, you don't want to be involved in
[20:06] Speaker 1: any capacity? What are you trying to fucking hide?
[20:08] Speaker 3: Totally true, that's true about guys doing that. I don't
[20:12] Speaker 3: do so or couples don't do the social I'm like,
[20:15] Speaker 3: I don't like that. I'm not saying I want people
[20:17] Speaker 3: to always post, but like never be seen such spech.
[20:22] Speaker 2: Touch to me.
[20:22] Speaker 3: Why, Like I'm not saying we have to post a
[20:24] Speaker 3: red cape photo every week, but like this is my
[20:27] Speaker 3: husband or my mad or whatever. You know, right, Yeah
[20:29] Speaker 3: that's weird. Yeah I think that's suspect, but teaches them.
[20:32] Speaker 1: But do we discriminate over any sort of job, Like
[20:35] Speaker 1: are we looking for just a normal guy?
[20:37] Speaker 2: Do we do?
[20:39] Speaker 3: I really confuse when it comes to this, Like at
[20:41] Speaker 3: this area in my life, I feel like I'm confused
[20:43] Speaker 3: because I feel like at one point I would have
[20:45] Speaker 3: answered something completely different, like and like when we're talking
[20:48] Speaker 3: about there's an appeal now to like the average guy
[20:51] Speaker 3: talking about like our dads and whatever, really simple guy.
[20:54] Speaker 3: That sounds so great. But in theory that sounds amazing.
[20:57] Speaker 3: But if I actually like got down to it little boring,
[21:00] Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm doing that.
[21:03] Speaker 5: Like the contractor sounds nice because then he gets fixed
[21:05] Speaker 5: it around the house, but then the contract.
[21:06] Speaker 3: Is like he's a contractor, he's a little boring. I know.
[21:09] Speaker 3: But if the personality is a huge thing, So it
[21:11] Speaker 3: depends if they've got high personality and an average job.
[21:15] Speaker 3: What I discovered and dating an age is yes, I
[21:18] Speaker 3: cannot have a dud. I look back on some of
[21:21] Speaker 3: the guys that dated and whether they were hot or
[21:24] Speaker 3: what they did or whatever. I'm just like, oh, yeah,
[21:27] Speaker 3: let's date. Looking back useless.
[21:30] Speaker 2: I know, like you never fun Yeah I was funny? Who?
[21:36] Speaker 2: So I know I.
[21:40] Speaker 3: Need a good personality. I need good banter. That's my
[21:43] Speaker 3: number one. And I think once you have it, you're like, oh,
[21:47] Speaker 3: I need this. I feel like it's like dangerous territory
[21:50] Speaker 3: that we're in now. When you become an independent woman
[21:53] Speaker 3: of a certain age, you're like, I am Gucci, Like like,
[21:57] Speaker 3: I like my life so like to add value to
[22:00] Speaker 3: what I already have existing. It's like a tall order.
[22:03] Speaker 5: I am.
[22:06] Speaker 2: Exactly what you can't come in.
[22:09] Speaker 3: I've got it really good.
[22:10] Speaker 2: I've got it so good.
[22:12] Speaker 1: And my first daughter I had like the normal way,
[22:15] Speaker 1: like meta dude.
[22:16] Speaker 2: She and I share a baby daddy. That's how we
[22:19] Speaker 2: know each other. I don't know if you guys know the.
[22:20] Speaker 1: Backstory when she was talking about being like not like
[22:24] Speaker 1: you reality TV, she was married to this guy and
[22:28] Speaker 1: I was his mistress, and she had found a sex
[22:31] Speaker 1: tape of the two of us, and that's when she
[22:34] Speaker 1: had been confirmed.
[22:35] Speaker 2: And she what, yeah, so that's how we know each other.
[22:39] Speaker 2: And now she's like my dearest affair.
[22:42] Speaker 1: Okay, I love it, but I was so wounded from
[22:45] Speaker 1: that entire situation in the custy battle that my second daughter, Sosa,
[22:49] Speaker 1: was conceived via sperm donor, Like, I just like, found
[22:52] Speaker 1: someone give me the goods, and I don't even know
[22:55] Speaker 1: who he is. So I relate to that. I'm like,
[22:57] Speaker 1: you can't step in here. I don't need kids from you.
[22:59] Speaker 1: I don't mean money for you. I don't need to
[23:01] Speaker 1: get a name off of you.
[23:03] Speaker 2: So like, what are you coming in?
[23:04] Speaker 3: And yes, I know you're taking.
[23:09] Speaker 1: Away from my peace because my house is just so peaceful.
[23:13] Speaker 1: That's a real problem. And I think it does come
[23:15] Speaker 1: with age as well.
[23:16] Speaker 2: We're like when you're.
[23:17] Speaker 3: Young, you're like, you said your.
[23:21] Speaker 1: Like and then you go back and you're like, I
[23:25] Speaker 1: gave you so much of my time.
[23:28] Speaker 4: That's the time.
[23:29] Speaker 3: Time, the time.
[23:30] Speaker 4: And I also don't like sleeping next to someone.
[23:32] Speaker 2: And the older I've got you to I touched a.
[23:36] Speaker 4: Separate bedrooms, they're like, we haven't even slept together.
[23:39] Speaker 1: When I'm like, I don't like it's a deal breaker
[23:44] Speaker 1: for me.
[23:45] Speaker 5: It's I never thought a million years that I would
[23:47] Speaker 5: even consider having separate bedrooms because I just like about
[23:52] Speaker 5: them trying.
[23:53] Speaker 4: To like that's with me.
[23:56] Speaker 2: I wake up and er my.
[23:58] Speaker 3: TV because I'm like, my mind is, yeah, you might
[24:00] Speaker 3: to be able to do your thing like sleeping, and.
[24:05] Speaker 1: My skin's tripping out. I want to be able to
[24:06] Speaker 1: cover myself in like whatever creams and patches. I just
[24:10] Speaker 1: need you away totally.
[24:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[24:12] Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to talk about the girls.
[24:24] Speaker 5: Because I'm so excited about Yeah. So now that I'm
[24:28] Speaker 5: a little reality wore, now, so yes, you shot the
[24:32] Speaker 5: first season?
[24:32] Speaker 3: We did almost Oh you're still and your principles done?
[24:38] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[24:38] Speaker 5: Yes, So can you kind of give me the like
[24:41] Speaker 5: the premise in like the high level promoting version, what
[24:45] Speaker 5: you could.
[24:45] Speaker 3: Share after our show? We were traumatized, didn't want to
[24:48] Speaker 3: film a show again, right, and then our fans or
[24:52] Speaker 3: whatever over the years, you guys need to be back
[24:54] Speaker 3: on TV. We're like and just kept happening and kept
[24:57] Speaker 3: like entering our like vortex, and as we were sawing
[25:00] Speaker 3: from the you know, yeah, we were maybe like, oh
[25:04] Speaker 3: we've had a break long enough. We're like, okay, maybe
[25:07] Speaker 3: well yeah, so we started to like entertain the idea
[25:09] Speaker 3: in our brain. But we're like, only if it was
[25:11] Speaker 3: like a production company we could really trust and like
[25:14] Speaker 3: does that even exist? And like you know, we just
[25:16] Speaker 3: were like I don't know, Like only I was more
[25:18] Speaker 3: sticklar than her. She was more like okay, I was
[25:20] Speaker 3: like I really don't like well, I was like, if
[25:23] Speaker 3: we're going to do it again and this is our time,
[25:24] Speaker 3: we got to do it one more time. To be
[25:27] Speaker 3: a production company, like it has to be a network.
[25:29] Speaker 3: I like, it has to be a producer that you know,
[25:32] Speaker 3: the premise of the show, the cast, Like I was
[25:34] Speaker 3: going being pretty like it's not going to happen, because
[25:38] Speaker 3: how the hell is all that going to happen? Yeah,
[25:40] Speaker 3: So we started meeting with like production companies, and you know,
[25:43] Speaker 3: it was the same concept of like just me and
[25:45] Speaker 3: Olivia maybe our family or whatever, and we were like
[25:48] Speaker 3: do we really want to just like do us again?
[25:50] Speaker 3: We're like it's just like didn't feel right, they feel right,
[25:54] Speaker 3: just like a lot of weight on like us just
[25:56] Speaker 3: to be the whole thing, or like too old and
[25:58] Speaker 3: lazy for that well coming off of our family show
[26:04] Speaker 3: the way that it's excasting. Yeah, So during the fires
[26:08] Speaker 3: was a last year whenever that was. We stayed with
[26:10] Speaker 3: our friend Nicole who was on legs with us, and
[26:13] Speaker 3: so we're like, okay, listen, we have this like concept
[26:15] Speaker 3: for a show, like what do you think do you
[26:17] Speaker 3: want to do it again? She was like hell yeah.
[26:19] Speaker 3: And we had some like artistic ideas of how it
[26:21] Speaker 3: would be shot and the music and the type of
[26:24] Speaker 3: cameras we'd used, and we had kind of this whole
[26:26] Speaker 3: little concept and she's like I'm in. We're like okay, fun.
[26:29] Speaker 3: And then we were at was it Chloe's birthday last year?
[26:32] Speaker 3: I think so, yeah, yeah, and all our friends are
[26:36] Speaker 3: there pool party, like Melika and Kadija and Iris, and
[26:40] Speaker 3: we were having some drinks and it's just kind of like, hey,
[26:43] Speaker 3: would you guys want to do something? Just pitch like
[26:46] Speaker 3: what are you thinking?
[26:47] Speaker 5: You know?
[26:47] Speaker 3: And they're like, oh my god. Then they had other
[26:49] Speaker 3: stuff going on too, like I think Iris was for
[26:53] Speaker 3: a different show, and Milika and the Twins said they
[26:56] Speaker 3: had stuff with Beta and another thing with I think
[27:00] Speaker 3: a different network, and so everyone kind of had stuff,
[27:02] Speaker 3: but they were all kind of like feeling the same
[27:03] Speaker 3: way we were feeling. It would just be more fun
[27:05] Speaker 3: to do it together and like and we're like, what
[27:08] Speaker 3: does Chloe wanted like and she was like sitting somewhere
[27:11] Speaker 3: different and then I just like marched over and was like,
[27:13] Speaker 3: so what do you think about this and kind of
[27:15] Speaker 3: picture the same idea and she was like, oh yeah,
[27:18] Speaker 3: and like she called that day that day, and then
[27:21] Speaker 3: all of a sudden things were like super fast tracked. Yeah,
[27:24] Speaker 3: we were shooting The Sizzle within from that day, were
[27:27] Speaker 3: shooting The Sizzle two and a half months later quick,
[27:31] Speaker 3: and then picked up two and a half months after that,
[27:35] Speaker 3: then shooting two in a months and a half months
[27:37] Speaker 3: after that, so we are done shooting from before the
[27:42] Speaker 3: convo we started with Chloe at her house.
[27:48] Speaker 1: Reality, I mean I to have done a few pilots,
[27:53] Speaker 1: and from the time the idea is brought to someone
[27:56] Speaker 1: to their film, it's a lot. I mean, well, congratua
[28:00] Speaker 1: on the green light, but think but I'm like, that
[28:04] Speaker 1: was like a two and a half year or deal.
[28:07] Speaker 2: No, it is.
[28:07] Speaker 3: It can take a long time. So it's just been
[28:09] Speaker 3: shocking and how fast we're like, oh, must take it
[28:12] Speaker 3: as like a good sign or a good omen, like
[28:14] Speaker 3: something we're doing right, because everything was just lying.
[28:18] Speaker 5: It was like when it takes time, and some things
[28:22] Speaker 5: do take time, but it just naturally happens.
[28:24] Speaker 3: In the order.
[28:25] Speaker 5: It seems like it was just like you were all
[28:27] Speaker 5: there for a very specific reason, yeah, birthday party, but
[28:30] Speaker 5: like the universe again had something else planned and you guys,
[28:34] Speaker 5: it just made it happen.
[28:34] Speaker 3: Yeah, and Chloe, so she was so great, So I
[28:37] Speaker 3: ended up how it actually ends up sitting is like
[28:40] Speaker 3: Chloe's really good friends, you know what I mean, kind
[28:43] Speaker 3: of like her in circle in a way, right, So
[28:46] Speaker 3: that's kind of the premise I guess, is the girls,
[28:48] Speaker 3: like that's how we're like introduced the world, you know, Yeah,
[28:51] Speaker 3: because everyone that we mentioned is really good friends with
[28:56] Speaker 3: someone in the family, So that's kind of like ends
[28:58] Speaker 3: up feeling like the inner cer girl of friends, inner
[29:00] Speaker 3: circle of the family. So yeah, I just kind of
[29:06] Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, and do you know how many
[29:08] Speaker 3: episodes you have and they're still cutting so they might
[29:12] Speaker 3: be pushed a few more. But yeah, I think it
[29:16] Speaker 3: was six or eight great, But because the turnaround was
[29:19] Speaker 3: so quick too, I don't know if we're going to
[29:21] Speaker 3: land at six or I don't know if we have
[29:22] Speaker 3: enough footage or I think I don't know but yeah, six.
[29:25] Speaker 4: Is even great too. It leaves people wanting so much.
[29:28] Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I've said.
[29:30] Speaker 3: I know, because I'm just like even in Jays we
[29:32] Speaker 3: had like eight and ten and twelve. It's just a
[29:34] Speaker 3: different time too anytime. And also I think it was
[29:37] Speaker 3: the time slot and then I don't know, who knows,
[29:39] Speaker 3: Maybe we got to prove ourselves and we just got
[29:41] Speaker 3: six and what's banging out of the park.
[29:42] Speaker 4: I don't know, but I'm sure it's so good.
[29:45] Speaker 1: I can't even imagine, and I like the idea of
[29:48] Speaker 1: I have to imagine that the drama comes from outside
[29:53] Speaker 1: things and then you guys are there to kind of
[29:55] Speaker 1: pick up the pieces to each other's lives and really
[29:57] Speaker 1: build each other back up. I mean, I'm sure that
[30:00] Speaker 1: there's like the banter and like the fights that just
[30:04] Speaker 1: friends and people who spend a lot of time together.
[30:06] Speaker 2: But again, it goes back to the formula.
[30:08] Speaker 1: And I've told Amber this because I've been trying to
[30:10] Speaker 1: like massage her into doing a reality TV show and
[30:14] Speaker 1: she's like, that sounds fucking awful, and I'm like, no, listen,
[30:18] Speaker 1: don't look at Bravo is like the Ultimately, I'm totally
[30:22] Speaker 1: open to which Bravo.
[30:23] Speaker 2: Is amazing, like they conquered the art of making.
[30:26] Speaker 1: But I think it's scar She's like, oh no, like
[30:29] Speaker 1: you're a hooker on that show, fucking my customers.
[30:31] Speaker 5: Like for my what I would love is like I
[30:39] Speaker 5: would never want anything to come between what we have
[30:42] Speaker 5: built already is so and of course there's many things
[30:45] Speaker 5: in life, like it's a friendship, like even.
[30:47] Speaker 4: Sisterhood or whatever.
[30:48] Speaker 5: There's a many things that we disagree upon, but I
[30:50] Speaker 5: don't want it ever to come in between what we built.
[30:53] Speaker 5: Like for me, that's that's so precious. But I think
[30:56] Speaker 5: the idea of doing it would actually be really fun.
[30:59] Speaker 3: I'm an art it is, like, Yeah.
[31:01] Speaker 5: What I've learned through Low is she's so freaking good
[31:04] Speaker 5: at what she does and like, oh, it's an art,
[31:06] Speaker 5: so like always preconceived notions about what reality TV people
[31:10] Speaker 5: do and how it's just like I mean, I just
[31:13] Speaker 5: come coming from the scripted side of like, oh, movie television,
[31:16] Speaker 5: there's so much.
[31:17] Speaker 2: Work total that comes with it.
[31:19] Speaker 5: Yeah, but I was wrong, Like it really is such
[31:22] Speaker 5: a there is an art to it, and I really
[31:24] Speaker 5: appreciate that now.
[31:25] Speaker 3: So I'm totally and like the thing that, yeah, that
[31:28] Speaker 3: is nice and the thing that we've learned too and
[31:30] Speaker 3: the reason why we like survived it, our relationship survived
[31:33] Speaker 3: it is just like it's like anything else in life,
[31:36] Speaker 3: just like healthy communications. It's just so important.
[31:38] Speaker 2: But like as long as.
[31:39] Speaker 3: The communication is there, then no one's feelings can be hurt.
[31:42] Speaker 3: And I think that's like a dance that we're learning
[31:44] Speaker 3: with like these other girls that we're doing it with too.
[31:47] Speaker 3: It's just like that's how we like move and operate
[31:50] Speaker 3: and just like want to like have it be a
[31:53] Speaker 3: really healthy people. Film differently, I.
[31:57] Speaker 2: Guess everyone films differently.
[31:59] Speaker 1: I just learned I was on a show for it
[32:01] Speaker 1: lasted eleven seasons and I was a part of eight
[32:03] Speaker 1: of those, and now I'm on a new show.
[32:05] Speaker 2: That's kind of like a spin off of that.
[32:08] Speaker 1: And when people ask, you know, like are you did
[32:11] Speaker 1: you enjoy the process, It's like I did, but it
[32:13] Speaker 1: was so different different prior cast just the way that
[32:19] Speaker 1: I'm like, this show is not interesting if we're not
[32:22] Speaker 1: going to have like.
[32:23] Speaker 3: You got to go there.
[32:24] Speaker 1: I love being able because in like real life, I
[32:27] Speaker 1: always say you have to separate reality from reality where
[32:30] Speaker 1: it's like in real life, I'm probably going to pick
[32:31] Speaker 1: my battles right totally when we film. I love being
[32:35] Speaker 1: able to pick every fucking battle.
[32:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what you have to otherwise entertaining.
[32:39] Speaker 2: Right film, are you able to film with her?
[32:42] Speaker 3: So I do film with her, but I don't have
[32:44] Speaker 3: her like in storylines or anything. Okay, you know, like
[32:47] Speaker 3: she's just there, comes in, gives me a hug and
[32:50] Speaker 3: runs off or just something super simple.
[32:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, to let the audience. Mind the audience because.
[32:55] Speaker 3: The other thing too, in my reality, she's with me
[32:58] Speaker 3: all the time. I do everything with her. She comes
[33:00] Speaker 3: with us everywhere, which you don't see that as much
[33:03] Speaker 3: on the show. But I just wanted to still you're
[33:06] Speaker 3: working like this, you're working, you know, like yeah, it's
[33:10] Speaker 3: it's weird because your job is to you know what
[33:12] Speaker 3: I mean, Like I know.
[33:14] Speaker 5: But you've made a decision not to have a part
[33:16] Speaker 5: of any storyline in that.
[33:17] Speaker 3: Yeah now, but you want to still Yeah, because she
[33:19] Speaker 3: gets older. If like she's into that and me and
[33:22] Speaker 3: her dad think that's a good idea, then like great,
[33:24] Speaker 3: but like for now, just like she pops in and
[33:27] Speaker 3: CCPC and people know that's my daughter. I'm not a
[33:29] Speaker 3: bad mom. She's here, yeah, right, Yeah, she's attached to
[33:34] Speaker 3: my hip, so great.
[33:35] Speaker 2: Mom. Yeah.
[33:36] Speaker 1: When I remember when I first became a mom, my
[33:39] Speaker 1: daughter was like three months old and we were filming
[33:41] Speaker 1: vander Pump and there were so many people that would
[33:44] Speaker 1: say to me and another woman who became a mom
[33:46] Speaker 1: at the same time that I did on the show
[33:48] Speaker 1: that we had like chosen to go to a pool
[33:49] Speaker 1: party instead of with her kid.
[33:51] Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm contractually I would like a break. How
[33:58] Speaker 2: about that?
[33:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, just like a couple of.
[34:01] Speaker 2: Do you have a pretty good co parenting relationship?
[34:04] Speaker 3: I honestly, it's a work in progress, but I feel
[34:07] Speaker 3: like it's really positive. It's just something that I feel
[34:11] Speaker 3: like is changing, regularly evolving. But I'm proud of us. Yeah,
[34:16] Speaker 3: I know what I like.
[34:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, because we are hitting the stage of life where
[34:21] Speaker 1: like people who had husbands and families are now separating. Okay,
[34:25] Speaker 1: I left my ex when Ocean was only seven months old.
[34:28] Speaker 1: So she doesn't even like there was a point in
[34:30] Speaker 1: time where she saw a photo.
[34:32] Speaker 2: I thought I had deleted every trace of him. And
[34:34] Speaker 2: she looked at me and she's like, you know my dad.
[34:37] Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know, Yes I do.
[34:42] Speaker 1: But when I have friends who vent about like the
[34:44] Speaker 1: co parenting relationship.
[34:46] Speaker 2: I've realized that it's.
[34:49] Speaker 1: Just a healthy co parenting relationship, Like if it were
[34:51] Speaker 1: if you guys were great, you be together, right, Yeah,
[34:55] Speaker 1: it's ever changing.
[34:57] Speaker 3: I think as long as you know it's hard to do, like,
[34:59] Speaker 3: but I think is as long as you're just honestly
[35:03] Speaker 3: focused on like your child and like their story and
[35:08] Speaker 3: not like interjecting your story into their life story of
[35:11] Speaker 3: their interpretation or their experience with that relationship they have
[35:15] Speaker 3: with their father, you know, and that's like the highest
[35:19] Speaker 3: thing you hold at all times, and like it goes
[35:21] Speaker 3: as best as it can go, you know what I mean.
[35:23] Speaker 7: Yeah, I've been in my era of like you just
[35:36] Speaker 7: go through the like I feel ugly, I look ugly,
[35:38] Speaker 7: I hate my hair.
[35:39] Speaker 2: Just staring at yourself too long.
[35:40] Speaker 1: You want to like hang the face up and get
[35:41] Speaker 1: me one.
[35:42] Speaker 3: You know what I've been doing. Sorry to interrupt you,
[35:44] Speaker 3: but I've been doing is like for about a year now.
[35:46] Speaker 3: I want to do my whole morning and nighttime routine,
[35:49] Speaker 3: my skincare stuff with the lights off. I don't look
[35:51] Speaker 3: in the mirror.
[35:52] Speaker 2: Bitch, I do the fucking same. I you know, you're
[35:56] Speaker 2: like in pitch black.
[35:57] Speaker 3: Yeah almost. It's like, well, it's like see what I'm
[36:00] Speaker 3: grabbing you know what I mean?
[36:02] Speaker 2: You're seeing you back yesterday? I was like, why is
[36:05] Speaker 2: it so bright in here? Do you remember?
[36:06] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[36:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel like I looked better that way.
[36:09] Speaker 4: Yeah, well we all looked better.
[36:11] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm not having sex with the lights on
[36:14] Speaker 3: crazy like I did when I was like twenty one,
[36:18] Speaker 3: and I'm certainly not drunk enough to do it either. Right.
[36:21] Speaker 1: So you guys have your your hairline Harlock.
[36:25] Speaker 4: Yes.
[36:25] Speaker 3: Our co owners Sarah and Michael, they're amazing. They're Canadian
[36:29] Speaker 3: as well. We met them when we were filming our
[36:31] Speaker 3: show relatively not living Vancouver. They were stylist and they
[36:34] Speaker 3: were so nice and so cool.
[36:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[36:36] Speaker 3: Michael owns a slan and Vancouver called Brush and Sarah
[36:40] Speaker 3: is a stylist. She's amazing, And they launched and it
[36:44] Speaker 3: was doing awesome. We love hair extensions. We've been wearing them,
[36:48] Speaker 3: you know, our whole adult life. But they approached us like, hey,
[36:51] Speaker 3: would you guys be interested in you know, joining forces
[36:54] Speaker 3: with us? You know you wear a hair We love
[36:56] Speaker 3: you girls, we love what you're about. And we were
[36:59] Speaker 3: like yeah, yeah, it was like in the infancy stages. Yeah,
[37:04] Speaker 3: when we joined and it seemed like such a good fit.
[37:06] Speaker 3: Everything's ethically sourced, which is very rare for hair extensions.
[37:10] Speaker 3: Like usually they're from overseas. Overseas and someone's like sacrifice
[37:15] Speaker 3: their hair from some religious ritual and the black market
[37:18] Speaker 3: takes them and sells them and white people make a
[37:20] Speaker 3: bunch of money. It's inside I have.
[37:21] Speaker 2: You know, that's like.
[37:24] Speaker 3: Where hair extensions come from. Is that's what's happening, And
[37:26] Speaker 3: that's bad energy on you and hair hold a lot
[37:29] Speaker 3: of energy.
[37:32] Speaker 2: Beging my fucking extensions bad. Yeah, I like that better.
[37:38] Speaker 1: I like that better.
[37:40] Speaker 4: So I have always suffered, like not being able to
[37:42] Speaker 4: grow my hair. I have a lot of hair.
[37:44] Speaker 5: It's just thin me too, so like I have the
[37:46] Speaker 5: longest was like here on the c yeah, and it's.
[37:50] Speaker 3: Like a wispy Can we not try just trim trimming.
[37:57] Speaker 4: The bop and here we are PIXI cut if I
[37:59] Speaker 4: could I recently, like six months ago, you ain't.
[38:06] Speaker 2: Got that Holly Bury face.
[38:11] Speaker 1: I know you know, I love your bone structure more
[38:15] Speaker 1: than anything. I know you're gonna be a bald bitch
[38:17] Speaker 1: and you would still be slapping you actually, you can't
[38:19] Speaker 1: do it.
[38:20] Speaker 3: You got a good john line and.
[38:24] Speaker 4: Geez, yeah, I want to hang up you guys all
[38:27] Speaker 4: the time. No, but I I'm like ready.
[38:30] Speaker 5: She sent me a text the other day She's like, hey,
[38:32] Speaker 5: I was just looking at photos of you, and you
[38:33] Speaker 5: look really fucking hot with your long sensions when.
[38:36] Speaker 2: Everybody does, and you look hot with your bob too.
[38:39] Speaker 4: You did that, but I got stated on like what
[38:42] Speaker 4: I have. So my question is.
[38:46] Speaker 5: Is it my hair is still too short to put
[38:48] Speaker 5: extens No, do you have a person I can go to?
[38:52] Speaker 3: Yes's tying to have mermaid butt? Absolutely, absolutely, I think
[38:58] Speaker 3: would be good. Or if you ever tape ins, I
[39:01] Speaker 3: think tips, I think K tips. I have K tips.
[39:06] Speaker 2: And what is that is that?
[39:07] Speaker 3: Like a tiny little like every little piece is like
[39:11] Speaker 3: bond bonded it right?
[39:13] Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, and it doesn't break your hair.
[39:15] Speaker 3: No, it is honestly almost preserved like fuller.
[39:18] Speaker 1: Really yes, because I only do clippings because.
[39:22] Speaker 3: I clippings aren't like I mean, clippings are okay when
[39:26] Speaker 3: I'm blonde, I don't like to I like to take it,
[39:30] Speaker 3: but when I'm blonde, I don't like too too much,
[39:32] Speaker 3: like I feel like it looks a bit Barbie when
[39:35] Speaker 3: I'm just blonde. When I'm Brenette, I'll do tapes or
[39:39] Speaker 3: k tips, but I'm clipping it right now. You want
[39:43] Speaker 3: to wear it once in a while. Clippings are perfect.
[39:46] Speaker 1: See and I'm not an everyday kind of girl.
[39:49] Speaker 3: But the thing with don't know they're there and we
[39:52] Speaker 3: have different like textures to them. So depending on how
[39:55] Speaker 3: your hair actually air dries, there's it's really great to
[39:58] Speaker 3: get over the shower and you go little kink in
[40:00] Speaker 3: your hair and the extensions a little kink, but it's
[40:06] Speaker 3: long and luscious.
[40:07] Speaker 1: And I don't feel like when you clip your hair
[40:09] Speaker 1: and you become a different person.
[40:11] Speaker 2: Absolutely I would completely.
[40:12] Speaker 1: I can't like your am I I'm like, it's like, yeah.
[40:18] Speaker 2: Without my hair, I'm like a little fucking weirdo. You
[40:23] Speaker 2: don't as much as you think, like what is it
[40:25] Speaker 2: like when the hair is up.
[40:26] Speaker 3: You just like, don't put them super close to the
[40:29] Speaker 3: hairline so you can fully do a snatch pony. You
[40:31] Speaker 3: can do you just like, hey, I also want to
[40:33] Speaker 3: be able to do ponies so they'll go around certain
[40:36] Speaker 3: you know.
[40:37] Speaker 5: Okay, so you guys sell the hair and then you
[40:38] Speaker 5: take them like if I buy the hair from you guys,
[40:41] Speaker 5: and then I take them to your stylist.
[40:43] Speaker 3: Or someone we are commanded to do the install I'm extending.
[40:46] Speaker 2: Sorry.
[40:49] Speaker 1: Did did you find after postpartum your hair was like
[40:52] Speaker 1: super fucked up?
[40:53] Speaker 3: Honestly, I didn't notice the huge differ because I feel
[40:57] Speaker 3: like my hair is already so shitty. I didn't notice
[41:00] Speaker 3: some I didn't. I didn't suffer too much from the
[41:03] Speaker 3: hair thing.
[41:04] Speaker 2: Oh you're so lucky.
[41:05] Speaker 3: You're also a type too, Like we've had friends or
[41:09] Speaker 3: even family that like, what is it like they won't
[41:12] Speaker 3: sacrifice like the integrity, like, oh the health of my hair.
[41:15] Speaker 3: You've always been like make it look hot. Even when
[41:19] Speaker 3: you were like this part of me, you weren't like,
[41:21] Speaker 3: oh let me, you just have the hair, and so
[41:22] Speaker 3: I never noticed. I didn't notice if like it was
[41:25] Speaker 3: shitty or you just always liked And I haven't actually
[41:29] Speaker 3: really curly hair, okay, so like I just have a
[41:32] Speaker 3: lot of hair no matter what's happening. But it does
[41:34] Speaker 3: get wispy and thin, so like when I wear it,
[41:37] Speaker 3: I did straighten it. It is pathetic, thank you, but yeah, both.
[41:41] Speaker 2: The heads of hair sloping.
[41:43] Speaker 5: One last question before we rap because I love all
[41:46] Speaker 5: things like skincare.
[41:47] Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, a skincare for what is like.
[41:50] Speaker 4: One product one treatment. Actually, let's do treatment because I
[41:53] Speaker 4: love drinking.
[41:54] Speaker 2: They both would recommend.
[41:56] Speaker 3: Okay, I've just got this for the first time with
[42:00] Speaker 3: I've been noticing more than ever my crow's feet and
[42:03] Speaker 3: just like the ocular fat going away. So it's the thinnest,
[42:07] Speaker 3: the skin is thinner, and it's just looking more geezery
[42:10] Speaker 3: and whatever. So I go to our girlfriend's seven Keyspom
[42:13] Speaker 3: there's one in Calabasis, one in Glendale, and yeah, it's
[42:16] Speaker 3: called Smooth Eye, and it's essentially just a laser, which
[42:20] Speaker 3: I'm also careful with because I never want to melt fat.
[42:22] Speaker 3: I'm sure we all know. Don't belt fat. That's what
[42:25] Speaker 3: geezes you up. Even more so I made sure, I said,
[42:29] Speaker 3: I'm scared of lasers. Is this gonna like I can't
[42:32] Speaker 3: lose any more fat by my eye? She's like, no,
[42:34] Speaker 3: that only does if you go so high.
[42:36] Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
[42:36] Speaker 3: I said, okay, I'll trust you. She's like, this is
[42:39] Speaker 3: just gonna downage your skin enough, kind of like a
[42:41] Speaker 3: micro needling. It didn't break skin. You can go that
[42:44] Speaker 3: far if you want, but I had press some stuff
[42:46] Speaker 3: to do, so she's like, let's go a little lighter.
[42:48] Speaker 3: So you're essentially just giving that kind of injury. Yeah,
[42:50] Speaker 3: it puffs up a bit, it builds the collagen, it
[42:53] Speaker 3: tightens it up, and I've loved it so far. Even
[42:56] Speaker 3: Joy today, our makeup artist, she was like, what did
[42:59] Speaker 3: you do it? How long ago? Ah around right before
[43:03] Speaker 3: the Toy Story premiere.
[43:06] Speaker 2: She was like, because she used to do and they
[43:08] Speaker 2: do it under here too because.
[43:10] Speaker 3: Here all in all around, and she was like, what
[43:13] Speaker 3: did you because I said to her she knows my makeparts,
[43:15] Speaker 3: is like, I want to maybe dabble on upper bluffs
[43:18] Speaker 3: at some point a little Yeah, it's starting to come
[43:21] Speaker 3: down here, and she's like, what's going on? I was like,
[43:24] Speaker 3: why did that? Smooth? And she's like, I fully noticed.
[43:26] Speaker 3: That's fully what I said. Okay, I'll take that because
[43:30] Speaker 3: I noticed, But for her to say it was.
[43:31] Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's a big deal because they're all.
[43:33] Speaker 2: In your girl.
[43:34] Speaker 3: Yeah, so smooth. And then she did just go over
[43:38] Speaker 3: my skin as well. I've been dealing with some acne
[43:41] Speaker 3: shees and got health blah blah blah. Anyways, she said
[43:44] Speaker 3: just going over your skin too, if you have any
[43:46] Speaker 3: actives that calmed it down, And it totally did. The
[43:48] Speaker 3: next week, I was like, any actives that chilled it out?
[43:50] Speaker 3: So I want to go back and how can I get.
[43:53] Speaker 2: This knew that I am?
[43:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I feel like I used to be really
[44:00] Speaker 3: big like skincare junkie person where it had all the
[44:03] Speaker 3: like serums and all that kind of stuff, and then
[44:05] Speaker 3: a couple of years ago I just was over it
[44:07] Speaker 3: and then I just went to like set a pill
[44:10] Speaker 3: and like just the most basic.
[44:12] Speaker 2: Thing you can think of, totally.
[44:16] Speaker 3: Because I'm naturally very oily and it have been my
[44:19] Speaker 3: whole life, and I think that's it good. It keeps
[44:21] Speaker 3: your skin like youthful. But it just anytime I add
[44:24] Speaker 3: any type of cerum money thing, I get really oily
[44:26] Speaker 3: and yeah, this isn't cute. So I feel like just
[44:29] Speaker 3: doing the absolute basics was where like I landed and
[44:33] Speaker 3: feel good in that space. But for lasers and stuff,
[44:35] Speaker 3: same thing. I don't do a lot of lasers because
[44:38] Speaker 3: I do feel like it I'm scared of fat on
[44:40] Speaker 3: your face and I have a chubb your face, and
[44:42] Speaker 3: I feel like that's what's helped me look you. And
[44:46] Speaker 3: my mom would say that to me when I was younger,
[44:48] Speaker 3: like you're gonna love it one day because she has
[44:49] Speaker 3: to chubb your face too, And I'm like, what, Like
[44:51] Speaker 3: I hate it, But now I'm like, I get it.
[44:53] Speaker 3: I get it. But I do do the BBL facial laser. Yes,
[44:59] Speaker 3: I do that. Yeah, And it's one of like an
[45:01] Speaker 3: older is it's called Sitcon or something as the machine
[45:04] Speaker 3: it might be butchering that. But a lot of places
[45:07] Speaker 3: around here don't carry it because it's they only carry
[45:09] Speaker 3: like trendy.
[45:10] Speaker 2: Stuff, right or whatever. It's old school.
[45:13] Speaker 3: From like ten years ago, and no one really carries it.
[45:16] Speaker 3: So I found one place in La that carries it.
[45:18] Speaker 3: And it's the one laser I've gotten throughout the years
[45:20] Speaker 3: that I love. And it really does like puff up
[45:22] Speaker 3: your skin and it gives you like this really like
[45:26] Speaker 3: radiant glow that I have you notice like instantly and
[45:29] Speaker 3: there's no downtime.
[45:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[45:30] Speaker 3: So I'm like, I love that BBO smooth Eye are right?
[45:35] Speaker 3: Those are laser?
[45:35] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[45:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to do the laser because I got
[45:38] Speaker 1: milasmas so badly with Ocean and then even work.
[45:41] Speaker 3: So the BBL has different like settings where you can
[45:44] Speaker 3: do your pigmentation. You can do like for reducing like
[45:48] Speaker 3: collagen production, any sort of like red like blood vegels
[45:53] Speaker 3: or anything red.
[45:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's all.
[45:56] Speaker 3: It won't melt the fat. Okay, that's a thing.
[46:00] Speaker 2: Don't do it. Don't help the fat. It doesn't.
[46:06] Speaker 3: Friends that have done like the best treatments throughout the years,
[46:09] Speaker 3: and like they they look beautiful in their skins like glass,
[46:12] Speaker 3: but them they're missing the like puffy youthful ness. Yeah,
[46:16] Speaker 3: you want the chob, you want the need.
[46:19] Speaker 4: I need the child back here. That's what I'm working on.
[46:21] Speaker 2: Keep the chub, booby.
[46:23] Speaker 4: I used to have the chob and then and then I've.
[46:25] Speaker 2: Never had the chub. I'm going and getting my ass.
[46:28] Speaker 1: I'm getting new boobs because I didn't get him big enough.
[46:31] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I want to feel like.
[46:34] Speaker 5: Her.
[46:34] Speaker 3: See beautiful, isn't it funny?
[46:37] Speaker 2: Brock? Oh see, I feel like the guy last night
[46:41] Speaker 2: brought your sorry buddy. Okay.
[46:47] Speaker 1: I want to make sure people know where to find
[46:50] Speaker 1: you guys. Where can they watch the show, Where can
[46:51] Speaker 1: they buy the hair?
[46:52] Speaker 2: All the things?
[46:52] Speaker 3: Okay? Amazing? So the girls coming out on Hulu this fall.
[46:58] Speaker 3: Our handle is at the Girls on Hulu you can
[47:02] Speaker 3: follow and on TikTok, and then my Instagram and all
[47:05] Speaker 3: that jazz is Olivia Pearson. I think TikTok is the Olivia.
[47:14] Speaker 3: Someone took our names. We didn't know what do you put?
[47:17] Speaker 3: And then our hair company is www dot Harlock dot
[47:21] Speaker 3: c a Egx is Canadian.
[47:24] Speaker 2: Oh I love that. I love it, yeah, so much,
[47:29] Speaker 2: of course.
[47:29] Speaker 3: And then just it's just my name on Instagram, Natalie Helcrow.
[47:32] Speaker 3: And I think TikTok which the pathetic. I'm just starting
[47:35] Speaker 3: like she.
[47:38] Speaker 2: Was busy mummy.
[47:39] Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you doing? I couldn't enjoy it,
[47:41] Speaker 3: you guys.
[47:42] Speaker 2: When it first came out, I.
[47:43] Speaker 3: Was like, what is this ship?
[47:44] Speaker 2: You guys? You guys.
[47:47] Speaker 3: I'm like, this is embarrassing.
[47:48] Speaker 1: I'm never doing it now hearing TikTok still and people
[47:51] Speaker 1: are like, wow, you're old, you guys.
[47:53] Speaker 3: I just started like a month ago because my team
[47:55] Speaker 3: was like, you don't have to do you guys so cringe.
[47:58] Speaker 2: But I'm doing it.
[48:00] Speaker 4: It's so hard, you're like selling yourself.
[48:03] Speaker 1: Thank you, guys for listening to another episode of An
[48:08] Speaker 1: Unlikely Affair. We're going to catch you guys on Thursday
[48:11] Speaker 1: at nine pm.
[48:12] Speaker 2: Love y'all have the best week ever. Bye bye h

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