# Iran Knows America Is Running Out of Missiles | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

An episode of [The Team House](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1492797340), 27 Jul 2026, 1 h 03 min.

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We break down the latest phase of the U.S.-Iran war, from dwindling interceptor stockpiles and the fight over the Strait of Hormuz to Iran’s nuclear leverage and the limits of American military power. We also examine Ukraine’s attacks on Russian supply ships bound for Iran, growing anger across the Middle East, and whether smarter sanctions, covert action, and diplomacy can still bring the war to an end. Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Subscribe to our newsletter!!!! https://teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join Jack's news outlet:⬇️ https://thehighside.substack.com/ Find Jon Hackett here:⬇️ Jon's Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Jon's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Jon's books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0C5L659N5?ccs_id=e11a2062-f8d3-498e-bfd7-7d2f3869caf6 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Check out Mick's new podcast here:⬇️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/pub-and-porch-applied-stoicism/id1836955475 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1k3QPmkAMwnGJxMLDwUSSd?si=n6piIu8XRcag1Z0K43A3bQ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCd0Hq6QFk8CoTu5j-VU0Ong Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Whitefish security summit ⬇️ https://whitefishsecuritysummit.com Find Marc P here: https://x.com/Mpolymer Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio" 00:00 – Start 02:20 – Can the United States Still Win This War? 05:29 – The Nightmare of Attacking Pickaxe Mountain 09:02 – Why Military Force Cannot Reopen the Strait of Hormuz 11:08 – Strangling the IRGC’s Money and Supply Lines 13:31 – America’s Dangerous Missile and Munitions Shortage 17:53 – Iran Wants a Nuclear Weapon—and Holds the Leverage 22:53 – Risking American Pilots as Advanced Weapons Run Low 25:15 – How the Midterms Could Decide the Iran War 27:49 – Anger and Anxiety Across the Middle East 32:22 – The Confusing US–Saudi Nuclear Agreement 40:36 – Dysfunction Inside the National Security Process 46:05 – Ukraine Attacks Russian Supply Ships Bound for Iran 48:13 – A Smarter Strategy for Breaking the Iranian Regime 56:13 – Inside Andy Milburn’s New Book on the Gaza War Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics.
[0:03] Speaker 1: I'm here with Mark poly moreopolis Andy Milburn, Mick mulroy.
[0:07] Speaker 1: A lot happening as usual. Iran is the big news.
[0:12] Speaker 1: Iran US. The last two weeks, thirteen consecutive knights of
[0:17] Speaker 1: strikes against Iranian targets. The Iranians have been shooting missiles
[0:21] Speaker 1: and drones at our bases in the region, and the
[0:25] Speaker 1: Houth he's also got involved in this now too. They
[0:28] Speaker 1: started bombing a couple of Saudi targets. It's interesting. On
[0:34] Speaker 1: Friday there was a pause. Obviously, there is word that
[0:38] Speaker 1: there is talk they're trying to work out something diplomatically.
[0:41] Speaker 1: There was something today I just saw Mick reposted it
[0:43] Speaker 1: actually that somebody took out a huge position that shorting oil.
[0:48] Speaker 1: Uh basically, you know, thinking that oil is gonna tank
[0:51] Speaker 1: when the market opens. So there's that. God knows. And
[0:56] Speaker 1: I read that tweet make it's an Axio slink. So
[0:59] Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, like, does that mean
[1:01] Speaker 1: an Axios guy, it's a link to the to the
[1:04] Speaker 1: somebody at the website, at the news organization. I don't know,
[1:09] Speaker 1: but somebody took out a huge position. Iran came out
[1:14] Speaker 1: as well, saying that like we're you know, oh forget
[1:18] Speaker 1: that the big question thing was to Iran. Ukraine hit
[1:22] Speaker 1: some Russian tankers or Russian like ships that were supposedly
[1:27] Speaker 1: bringing supplies to Iran from Russia. So we have like
[1:31] Speaker 1: this melding of both wars kind of going into it.
[1:35] Speaker 1: This week, a lot of uh dignitaries are coming from
[1:40] Speaker 1: other countries. I think it's supposedly for Lindsay Graham's funeral,
[1:43] Speaker 1: but Zelenski's gonna be here next this week coming up,
[1:47] Speaker 1: is gonna be here this coming up. So there's a
[1:50] Speaker 1: lot happening, and it looks like maybe there's gonna be
[1:53] Speaker 1: another pause possibly or another MoU or something before she
[1:57] Speaker 1: hits the fan. But I mean it will time will
[2:00] Speaker 1: tell if Oran starts letting people go through the strait
[2:02] Speaker 1: o her moves on harassed or not. And you know
[2:04] Speaker 1: that obviously will dictate terms of this. So I don't
[2:08] Speaker 1: know where you guys are at, where you guys are tracking.
[2:11] Speaker 1: Let's go with Mark p. First.
[2:14] Speaker 2: First of all, d I want to say that the
[2:16] Speaker 2: Red Sox are back in the hunt. Your New York teams,
[2:19] Speaker 2: the Yankees are nervous.
[2:21] Speaker 1: Now.
[2:21] Speaker 2: I know you're a Mets fan, and Juan so knows
[2:23] Speaker 2: out totally. You're a Yankee fan, all right.
[2:27] Speaker 1: I hate the Red Sox and you I was up.
[2:29] Speaker 3: I was up at Fenway. Awesome vibes. You guys are screwed.
[2:32] Speaker 3: Red Sox will win the World Series.
[2:34] Speaker 2: Moving on to less important things, No, one are really
[2:38] Speaker 2: interesting things, and I know we're going to jump into
[2:40] Speaker 2: It has to do with all the reporting. I think
[2:42] Speaker 2: the New York Times led with this about the US
[2:46] Speaker 2: stocks of interceptors, and frankly how Chairman to Joint Chiefs
[2:50] Speaker 2: perhaps gave some advice to Trump and the White House
[2:53] Speaker 2: saying that, you know, some type of major escalation would
[2:56] Speaker 2: not be wise right now because of this. But I
[2:58] Speaker 2: think and so that isn't it issue. It's something we
[3:01] Speaker 2: should discuss. But in some ways, I think it actually
[3:05] Speaker 2: hides a bigger issue is what actually can be done
[3:09] Speaker 2: militarily whatsoever? You know, is there a military option and
[3:13] Speaker 2: one that actually that one that's feasible that doesn't involve
[3:16] Speaker 2: you know, New York Post had a story today and
[3:18] Speaker 2: I don't know if this is a projection or not.
[3:20] Speaker 2: I send it to you guys that you know about
[3:22] Speaker 2: about a US Special Operations Command mission to UH to
[3:27] Speaker 2: go after Pickaxe Mountain. This would take intel thousands of troops.
[3:30] Speaker 2: I don't know if this is what they're advocating or not,
[3:32] Speaker 2: but there's a whole bunch of options that are so
[3:34] Speaker 2: politically unpalatable that would involve ground forces UH that I
[3:39] Speaker 2: don't think that's even on the table. So the real
[3:41] Speaker 2: question is what can be done via air whatsoever? I mean,
[3:44] Speaker 2: is there actually a strategy in which the US could
[3:48] Speaker 2: militarily within within the parameters of no ground troops?
[3:53] Speaker 3: Uh?
[3:54] Speaker 2: You know, force the orions to the table. And I think
[3:56] Speaker 2: there's a lot of people now who are saying, no,
[3:57] Speaker 2: actually this is and it's almost a question. I hate
[4:00] Speaker 2: to even say this. This goes against what Mick says
[4:02] Speaker 2: all the time, and I agree with it. You know,
[4:04] Speaker 2: you know, our goal is to win somehow, so can
[4:06] Speaker 2: we Is the question is there a military option? Because
[4:09] Speaker 2: if the answer is no, then the diplomatic option is
[4:12] Speaker 2: Iran's going to get the straight of Hormuz because then
[4:15] Speaker 2: they know they have the leverage over US. And so
[4:18] Speaker 2: if you're kind of looking at it the kind of
[4:20] Speaker 2: the geostrategic sense or in terms of strategy. You know,
[4:23] Speaker 2: we all can be critics, and I certainly have been,
[4:26] Speaker 2: but I'm not sure what the option is. Is there
[4:27] Speaker 2: a good option that's left here? And that's the big dilemma,
[4:31] Speaker 2: as Mick, I think, Andy, you might have set up before.
[4:33] Speaker 2: There's no magic bullet, there's no you know, there's there's
[4:36] Speaker 2: no solution, just hanging out there and that, boy, we
[4:38] Speaker 2: should really be doing this because I think if if there,
[4:41] Speaker 2: you know, that would have been on the table already.
[4:42] Speaker 2: So a bit of a bit of a pickle we're in.
[4:45] Speaker 2: And you know, again it's easy for us to criticize.
[4:48] Speaker 2: We're good at that, but if the whole point is
[4:50] Speaker 2: if you're if you're in the chair, I'm not actually
[4:53] Speaker 2: sure what we should do right now, and that's quite
[4:56] Speaker 2: I think for the all four of us here, that's
[4:58] Speaker 2: in an unusual position. You know, we're stuck here, and
[5:03] Speaker 2: I hate to be in that position. I hate to
[5:04] Speaker 2: even say that.
[5:05] Speaker 1: Andy. Let me get your take on, like we talked
[5:08] Speaker 1: about it a bit last week about what other military
[5:13] Speaker 1: options there possibly could be.
[5:16] Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I'm you know, just saying that the
[5:27] Speaker 4: military options are very limited doesn't mean that there's nothing
[5:30] Speaker 4: that the US can do necessarily. But I'm I'm intrigued
[5:35] Speaker 4: by First of all, I'm not surprised, but I am.
[5:42] Speaker 4: I am as near as it comes to being surprised
[5:45] Speaker 4: that the President already announced that quote the United States
[5:50] Speaker 4: is going to go off the Pickack's Mountain next. I
[5:53] Speaker 4: suppose it's the trendy name perhaps that that quote his attention.
[5:59] Speaker 4: But it's kind of interesting. So he's announced that. One
[6:05] Speaker 4: of the problems in backtrack a little bit, I'm answering
[6:08] Speaker 4: your question, d there's very little militarily that can be done, Okay,
[6:14] Speaker 4: there's just more of the same. And if going after
[6:19] Speaker 4: Iran's nuclear program, even if we have the bunker busters
[6:23] Speaker 4: lined up, even if we conduct a really extraordinarily successful strike,
[6:33] Speaker 4: I doubt I just don't think that the if the Iranians,
[6:38] Speaker 4: if the Ranians are half as crafty as they've shown
[6:44] Speaker 4: so far, their nuclear program is beyond reach. I mean,
[6:50] Speaker 4: it's it was always Midnight Hammer or whatever the plan
[6:53] Speaker 4: was was always a long shot, and it became increasingly
[6:58] Speaker 4: not always a long shot. To begin with. When that
[7:01] Speaker 4: plan was developed, it wasn't such a long shot, but
[7:04] Speaker 4: there were but there were political reasons right why it
[7:08] Speaker 4: wasn't being carried out, and for longest time, the US
[7:12] Speaker 4: was in the position of trying to dissuade Israel from
[7:15] Speaker 4: conducting those strikes. And by the way, one of the
[7:17] Speaker 4: downsides are that, and this is open source, but so
[7:21] Speaker 4: I can talk about it now. One of the downsides
[7:23] Speaker 4: that was always always prevalent, and it was front and
[7:30] Speaker 4: center when planets were talking about it was the fact
[7:31] Speaker 4: that Aron would close the straights fall moves and the
[7:34] Speaker 4: effect not on effect on the global economy. Number two
[7:37] Speaker 4: was even when we thought the nuclear program was was
[7:44] Speaker 4: vulnerable to the use of you know, bunker busters and
[7:50] Speaker 4: US strike it, we knew that the most we could
[7:56] Speaker 4: do was set it back. Okay, that isn't me just
[7:58] Speaker 4: posturing and throwing up I mean those were always assumptions
[8:02] Speaker 4: made by planners. And again I'm not saying anything that's
[8:05] Speaker 4: classified now. It's all open source. So now, after we've
[8:09] Speaker 4: launched Midnight Hammer, after we have conducted weeks and weeks
[8:14] Speaker 4: and weeks of strikes, and we have announced announced that
[8:17] Speaker 4: we're going after the remnants of their nuclear program, do
[8:21] Speaker 4: you think the Iranians haven't done something already, you know,
[8:24] Speaker 4: put those centrifugeons out of reach disperse the enriched uranium.
[8:28] Speaker 4: I mean, it would be remarkably stupid if they hadn't
[8:31] Speaker 4: done that. And I think whatever you say of the Iranians,
[8:34] Speaker 4: so one thing, you really can't call them as stupid,
[8:38] Speaker 4: you know that. And then there's all the other reasons
[8:41] Speaker 4: that we talked about why cranking up military force is
[8:46] Speaker 4: unlikely to achieve. You know, we've already reached the law
[8:49] Speaker 4: of diminishing returns that we talked about, why mis launchers
[8:54] Speaker 4: are hard to hit, We've talked to why minds drones
[8:58] Speaker 4: are also hard to go after, and even the small
[9:00] Speaker 4: boat problem. Those are the real risks. And meanwhile, we're
[9:04] Speaker 4: seeing Iran ramp up pressure on other countries in the region,
[9:09] Speaker 4: notably Saudi Arabia right attacking Jisan, the Hoho Thie's attacking Juson,
[9:15] Speaker 4: and a Saudi tanker exploded and that's you know that,
[9:19] Speaker 4: that's what the Saudis say, exploded in the golf after
[9:22] Speaker 4: hitting a after hitting a mine. So sorry for the
[9:26] Speaker 4: lengthy artswer. Militarily, I just don't you know, I've been
[9:30] Speaker 4: reading all the trash talk and social media, but cranking
[9:35] Speaker 4: it up and cranking it up doesn't really promise much
[9:39] Speaker 4: in terms of returns. The last thing I'll say, even if,
[9:43] Speaker 4: even if, as we've said on this on this program,
[9:47] Speaker 4: we that the US forces its way to escort, it
[9:55] Speaker 4: continuously forces armed escort of tankers through the golf, the
[9:59] Speaker 4: problem is the problem is still there, and the problem
[10:01] Speaker 4: is that fact you're dealing with commercial vessels. Insurance rates
[10:04] Speaker 4: are always going to be high as low until Iran
[10:07] Speaker 4: agrees not to strike them. So how I guess the
[10:10] Speaker 4: question to answer is how do you crank up pressure
[10:14] Speaker 4: on Iran to bring around to the negotiation table. And
[10:18] Speaker 4: it doesn't look like pure military pressure is working. There
[10:22] Speaker 4: probably has to be a carrot. I'll leave with a question.
[10:26] Speaker 4: Maybe maybe there are things that can be done in
[10:32] Speaker 4: other areas. Okay, maybe a combination of cyber and I'll
[10:38] Speaker 4: defer to my CIA colleagues. Maybe title fifty type stuff, right,
[10:43] Speaker 4: I don't know, that's a question for you guys.
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[11:26] Speaker 1: the title fifty king that you are, what's it? What
[11:32] Speaker 1: are your thoughts?
[11:36] Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'll get back to the title fifty stuff,
[11:39] Speaker 5: but i'd start obviously to March's point, we got.
[11:44] Speaker 6: To come out of this.
[11:46] Speaker 5: Successfully and there's no easy path toward it. But I'm
[11:52] Speaker 5: gearing everything that I'm going to comment on on that.
[11:56] Speaker 5: So obviously the straight up Hermos is the main issue
[11:59] Speaker 5: right now, and that wasn't the issue before.
[12:01] Speaker 6: The war started.
[12:03] Speaker 5: But to that point, we saw this massive flow of
[12:08] Speaker 5: assets of the region. We saw the President talk about,
[12:11] Speaker 5: you know, it's going to be bigger than any thing
[12:14] Speaker 5: we've seen so far, including epic fury. I was thinking
[12:19] Speaker 5: that the point was to try to go after targets
[12:23] Speaker 5: that could essentially start strangling the IRGC of the funding
[12:30] Speaker 5: they need to keep in operations, right, the only thing
[12:32] Speaker 5: that really matters to them is their money, So the
[12:35] Speaker 5: blockade is doing that. With a naval blockade, I was
[12:40] Speaker 5: assuming that we're going to go after ground targets like railroads, bridges,
[12:44] Speaker 5: things that they transportation hubs that they need to be
[12:49] Speaker 5: able to transfer their energy out by other means, and
[12:51] Speaker 5: of course get armaments in to keep the fight going.
[12:56] Speaker 5: That still might be the case, but that seemed to
[12:59] Speaker 5: make sense to me. But I would agree that military
[13:03] Speaker 5: action alone it's not going to do it. And I
[13:05] Speaker 5: think we've seen reporting from Mark and my old organization
[13:09] Speaker 5: and the DEA that said as such that we could
[13:13] Speaker 5: expend a lot more munitions, but it's unlikely to change
[13:15] Speaker 5: the perspective of the IRGC. So the military is not
[13:19] Speaker 5: the end all be all. We have the best in
[13:21] Speaker 5: the world, but we need to stop relying on it
[13:23] Speaker 5: as if it can just change everything. It's a part
[13:26] Speaker 5: of it. It could go after these targets and I
[13:28] Speaker 5: think further isolate the regime, but it's important to point
[13:32] Speaker 5: out that's going to take time, so it's not something
[13:35] Speaker 5: that we all I think is accurate as far as
[13:39] Speaker 5: why it was called off if it was like the
[13:43] Speaker 5: I think it was a New York Times who reported
[13:44] Speaker 5: that Vice President and Chairman went over there and explained
[13:47] Speaker 5: the interceptor situation.
[13:49] Speaker 6: You know, the PAC three.
[13:50] Speaker 5: Is that all the interceptors that we use to stop
[13:53] Speaker 5: attacks against US and our allies. I mean, they knew
[13:56] Speaker 5: that while they were doing the build up, So I
[13:58] Speaker 5: don't know that's accurate. I mean, obviously the military is
[14:01] Speaker 5: not like, oh wait a minute, we don't have enough.
[14:03] Speaker 5: This is something that they knew. If they stopped because
[14:06] Speaker 5: of that, then then certainly that's a fair reason. That
[14:10] Speaker 5: brings up a whole other discussion that we could have
[14:12] Speaker 5: another episode on, is we are fighting a regional war
[14:17] Speaker 5: with a second tier adversary and we were having a
[14:20] Speaker 5: damn hard time keeping up with production defense production. That's
[14:24] Speaker 5: a big problem. It's not a political statement. This is
[14:28] Speaker 5: a big problem for the United States. We need to
[14:31] Speaker 5: just fix this, right. Can you imagine if we're fighting
[14:34] Speaker 5: an airperiod competitor. Can imagine if we actually ground forces
[14:39] Speaker 5: right now, which means you're going to expend a lot
[14:41] Speaker 5: more precision munitions and protective munitions.
[14:45] Speaker 6: So that's a big issue.
[14:46] Speaker 5: But if that's what caused this. What I'm concerned about
[14:49] Speaker 5: is this was somewhat of a bluff, and now the
[14:52] Speaker 5: Ranians know was a bluff, and now the chances of
[14:55] Speaker 5: negotiations now get harder because they feel like they're in
[14:58] Speaker 5: the driver's don't know if it was, but if it was,
[15:01] Speaker 5: that's problematic because the Iranians already think they're have all
[15:05] Speaker 5: the leverage now with the straight up a mood, potentially
[15:07] Speaker 5: the Babbel Mendeb with the hoo thies, that's going to
[15:12] Speaker 5: increase the pressure. So how do we get the straight
[15:14] Speaker 5: of horror moods open? Well, I don't remember which member
[15:18] Speaker 5: of the government came out and said they, but they
[15:20] Speaker 5: did came out and said yesterday they made eighteen billion
[15:23] Speaker 5: dollars this year on the sale of their one So
[15:26] Speaker 5: it's sixty percent of what they normally sell in a year,
[15:29] Speaker 5: which is unaccepted.
[15:32] Speaker 6: Right. I don't know if it's true.
[15:34] Speaker 5: I'm sure our intelligence community can look at it and
[15:36] Speaker 5: find out if it is. One the pressure we're trying
[15:40] Speaker 5: to exert on the regime isn't working if they can
[15:43] Speaker 5: sell this much. Because if they can sell that much
[15:46] Speaker 5: in fund, sixty percent of what they normally do, and
[15:48] Speaker 5: the year's not over. That's not enough pressure at all.
[15:53] Speaker 5: So we need to do everything we can to build
[15:56] Speaker 5: an international coalition. Further sanctions and forced secondary sanctions. Find
[16:02] Speaker 5: I our GC commercial infrastructure all around the world, it exists,
[16:06] Speaker 5: freeze assets. I know there's people that know these things,
[16:10] Speaker 5: so I'm sure I'm not It's not a revelation.
[16:12] Speaker 6: To anybody in the government right now.
[16:14] Speaker 5: But if they're really making eighteen billion dollars a year,
[16:17] Speaker 5: then this economic isolation isn't going to work unless we
[16:20] Speaker 5: change that. And it's not just from the blockade. So
[16:24] Speaker 5: how do you how do you change How do you
[16:26] Speaker 5: change this? In addition to that, I think it's being
[16:29] Speaker 5: very specific on targets, and we might have the right
[16:34] Speaker 5: to ride this out. I don't see how the United
[16:37] Speaker 5: States just accepts the straight up on MOOS is now
[16:40] Speaker 5: the sovereign property of Iran, and we have done other
[16:45] Speaker 5: than Midnight Hammer, which did do a lot to degrade
[16:47] Speaker 5: the nuclear program. From then on, we haven't really done
[16:50] Speaker 5: much to degrade it. Pickac Mountain. I think the issue
[16:54] Speaker 5: is our munition simply won't penetrate it. I don't know
[16:56] Speaker 5: that to be the case. I've been out of government
[16:59] Speaker 5: a long time, but I'll that's the biggest speculation. It's
[17:02] Speaker 5: three hundred feet of solid granite. Even our GBU fifty
[17:07] Speaker 5: seven alphas. I don't think they can reach that deep
[17:10] Speaker 5: unless something else has changed.
[17:12] Speaker 6: If they would, we already hit it. So there you go.
[17:14] Speaker 5: So that's why they're talking about a ground operation. That
[17:17] Speaker 5: would be the most I think, most complex special operations
[17:21] Speaker 5: mission I've ever heard of, because it would be I
[17:23] Speaker 5: think Mark or Andy said it. It would be potentially
[17:26] Speaker 5: weeks on the ground. I don't know, and it would
[17:30] Speaker 5: be it's in the middle of the country, right, it's
[17:32] Speaker 5: right near the Tons, It's right in the middle of
[17:34] Speaker 5: the country. They would mobilize tens of thousands of troops,
[17:37] Speaker 5: and of course they would be NonStop bombarding of forces
[17:42] Speaker 5: it is intact. So that would be at least a
[17:44] Speaker 5: better scenario than some of the facilities that are destroyed.
[17:49] Speaker 6: But I just don't see that happening.
[17:51] Speaker 5: It's already an unpopular war and this would cause casualties
[17:54] Speaker 5: and it's unclear to me what is actually in there.
[17:58] Speaker 5: So we're going to have to figure out a way
[18:01] Speaker 5: to get them to change their perspective. It's going to
[18:04] Speaker 5: take building an international coalition and the unfortunately it's going
[18:07] Speaker 5: to take time and there's no guarantee. But the alternative
[18:12] Speaker 5: is the US calls it quits, and that's a strategic kind.
[18:18] Speaker 5: I mean, nobody can spend us out of that. If
[18:21] Speaker 5: iron and now there's reporting that you can make, you
[18:24] Speaker 5: can see why this should be the case that the
[18:26] Speaker 5: new Supreme leader wants a nuclear weapon.
[18:29] Speaker 6: Right, So now we have a.
[18:30] Speaker 5: Scenario they want a nuclear weapon, they're not interested in
[18:34] Speaker 5: no en Richmond, and they're not interested giving up to stray.
[18:39] Speaker 5: So I would suggest one making this more of a
[18:43] Speaker 5: bipartisan issue, engaged in Congress, talking to the committees, coming
[18:47] Speaker 5: up with ideas, reaching out international coalition. You could say, well,
[18:52] Speaker 5: why would they join now?
[18:54] Speaker 6: Well, because this isn't really just about the United States.
[18:56] Speaker 5: Right, you can disagree with the war, but this have
[18:58] Speaker 5: an impact on your citizen. Right, they're paying more for gas,
[19:03] Speaker 5: they're paying more for food. You, whatever country you are,
[19:07] Speaker 5: shouldn't accept another country simply taken over one of the
[19:11] Speaker 5: key eight waterways in the world, that taking money out.
[19:14] Speaker 5: So I know that's easier said than done for all
[19:17] Speaker 5: the above, but we're in a very difficult situation. The
[19:20] Speaker 5: last thing I'd say. They wanted to make this point.
[19:23] Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure it's going to be fixed, probably before
[19:26] Speaker 5: we wake up tomorrow. But put the four that were
[19:29] Speaker 5: killed back on the list of those that were killed
[19:33] Speaker 5: in action. They were literally killed by enemy action. So
[19:37] Speaker 5: the idea that it was somehow in a ceasefire is
[19:41] Speaker 5: just nonsensical. It's not fair, it's not respectful to those
[19:46] Speaker 5: service members and families. They say it was a glitch.
[19:49] Speaker 5: I'm not saying it wasn't. But instead of talking about
[19:52] Speaker 5: it a lot, just fix it and apologize for the glitch.
[19:54] Speaker 6: I just wanted to put that to that.
[19:56] Speaker 2: I mean, they say it's a glitch, but it's been
[19:57] Speaker 2: days now of this, they're not working the weekend. I mean,
[20:02] Speaker 2: it seems to me this is now deliberate.
[20:04] Speaker 5: Fix it.
[20:05] Speaker 6: It's disrespectful for those who I agree, I.
[20:09] Speaker 5: Mean were killed by enemy fire. Three of them are
[20:11] Speaker 5: killed by direct enemy fire. The other one was killed
[20:13] Speaker 5: because of enemy fire. You know, the shade drone they
[20:17] Speaker 5: were trying to exploit. All of that is killed in
[20:20] Speaker 5: the line of duty, in action, in combat.
[20:25] Speaker 2: I think Nick, and a couple of your points, I
[20:27] Speaker 2: agree with you The only problem is I don't think
[20:29] Speaker 2: it's going to happen because the Trump administration, it's not possible.
[20:32] Speaker 2: There is no dialogue with Democrats on this, there's no Bypartison.
[20:36] Speaker 2: In fact, there's total war with the Democrats on this.
[20:39] Speaker 2: So I don't think they have it in their ability
[20:42] Speaker 2: to reach across the Isle. And the Democrats actually are
[20:44] Speaker 2: not in any position to accommodate the White House as well,
[20:48] Speaker 2: so I don't think that's going to happen. And on
[20:50] Speaker 2: the International Coalition, it's the same thing. You know, we
[20:53] Speaker 2: are Our inability to make nice with our allies, you know,
[20:56] Speaker 2: negates this even being a possibility. And when I think
[20:58] Speaker 2: the British did announce the other day that you know
[21:01] Speaker 2: there would be some more talks and more discussion and
[21:03] Speaker 2: perhaps even planning for some kind of joint maritime mission.
[21:06] Speaker 2: But the problem is they then say it will only
[21:09] Speaker 2: happen when the war's over. So while those are those
[21:12] Speaker 2: are the right things to do, I just don't think
[21:14] Speaker 2: the Trump administration, just because there is such hostility on
[21:17] Speaker 2: both sides of the Aisle and there's an inability to
[21:20] Speaker 2: do anything with our allies, I just don't think it's
[21:22] Speaker 2: going to happen. And so again it's so I think
[21:26] Speaker 2: the possible or you know, and we can we can advocate,
[21:31] Speaker 2: and I think you're right to say that this is
[21:33] Speaker 2: what we should do. I just don't think that that's
[21:35] Speaker 2: in the wheelhouse of the Trump administration UH to to
[21:40] Speaker 2: take those kinds of steps. They've shown no inclination to
[21:42] Speaker 2: do this UH in the past, and so that's what
[21:45] Speaker 2: concerns me. I think you're right in what this is
[21:47] Speaker 2: the right thing. I just don't think it's gonna happen.
[21:50] Speaker 6: I think that's a fair point.
[21:51] Speaker 5: And what I'm advocating for is not just a big discussion,
[21:54] Speaker 5: but it's like legislation, like what are we going to
[21:57] Speaker 5: do to reinforce sanction secondary section. I mean they're talking
[22:00] Speaker 5: about it because they're putting it in the bill that
[22:03] Speaker 5: senator or the late Senator Lindsey Graham, you know, has
[22:06] Speaker 5: on Russia, and now we can see they're connected. I mean,
[22:09] Speaker 5: we can go into that, but I mean I do
[22:10] Speaker 5: get your point. It's easy to say these things, whether
[22:13] Speaker 5: they happen or it's another thing, but there is actual
[22:15] Speaker 5: things that people in Congress can do to put the
[22:20] Speaker 5: pressure on or on and if they do it in
[22:22] Speaker 5: a bipartisan way that would send a message to her
[22:26] Speaker 5: on who right now is trying to leverage the fissures.
[22:30] Speaker 5: They're trying to leverage the upcoming election.
[22:33] Speaker 6: Right.
[22:34] Speaker 5: So it doesn't mean that all the Democrats have to
[22:37] Speaker 5: now agree that the war was a good idea, but
[22:39] Speaker 5: they can't agree that we need to change the perspective
[22:41] Speaker 5: so that America comes out successful on this. And that's
[22:44] Speaker 5: not happening, and maybe it's because nobody's asked, but it
[22:50] Speaker 5: would be good to the extent that that actually has
[22:52] Speaker 5: an impact, and I think it could. There's several like
[22:57] Speaker 5: legislative initiatives on Iran trying to increase you can pressure, like,
[23:01] Speaker 5: let's talk about all of them and see if we
[23:04] Speaker 5: can't start gets on moving. Not only would it help again,
[23:07] Speaker 5: it will take time, but it does send the right
[23:09] Speaker 5: message to your on that we're that we are more
[23:13] Speaker 5: unified than they would like, which right now.
[23:17] Speaker 2: Were Hey, can I can I ask one quick thing here?
[23:20] Speaker 2: And this is actually I was excited to talk to
[23:22] Speaker 2: you guys today and this I got a note from
[23:24] Speaker 2: a former pilot and he was talking to me about
[23:26] Speaker 2: this issue of ordnance and interceptors and everything and he said, actually,
[23:30] Speaker 2: and I'm not going to say who it is, but
[23:32] Speaker 2: I'm going to read from this, but it was it
[23:37] Speaker 2: was nothing. It's the notion that we're running out of
[23:40] Speaker 2: more advanced weaponry. We actually do have more smart bombs,
[23:44] Speaker 2: more dumb bombs. There's dumb weapons which would entail US
[23:47] Speaker 2: aircraft getting closer not the standoff strikes from b ones,
[23:50] Speaker 2: et cetera. It would be closer range aircraft, you know,
[23:55] Speaker 2: perhaps even launching from the Gulf. Again very risky, but
[23:58] Speaker 2: there are there are munition out there that could be used.
[24:01] Speaker 2: They're just not of the advanced type, which which lowers
[24:04] Speaker 2: the risk. And that's something that the administration is very
[24:07] Speaker 2: very worried about. Is that Does that sound consistent to
[24:10] Speaker 2: you all?
[24:12] Speaker 6: Yes? Absolutely, But I believe that's the.
[24:14] Speaker 3: Case, gotcha, Okay?
[24:15] Speaker 1: Thanks.
[24:16] Speaker 5: It just puts upon it more at more risk to
[24:19] Speaker 5: use those munitions, but we.
[24:20] Speaker 6: Have a lot of them.
[24:21] Speaker 3: We do have them.
[24:22] Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. And then the other point on I mean,
[24:28] Speaker 6: if you hadn't figured out who's our enemy and who
[24:29] Speaker 6: is our.
[24:30] Speaker 5: Ally by now and I'm baffled, but I think the
[24:33] Speaker 5: highlighting that Russia is actually giving or on targeting data
[24:37] Speaker 5: to kill our service members and CI officers. I think
[24:42] Speaker 5: is something we all knew was happening, and now I
[24:46] Speaker 5: would hope that we take it seriously and respond accordingly.
[24:50] Speaker 5: And and it's it's a good thing that Ukraine's actually
[24:53] Speaker 5: targeting ships that are on route to resupply or on
[24:58] Speaker 5: to shoot at American service members. Uh so, just one
[25:04] Speaker 5: more data point to know we should be on the
[25:06] Speaker 5: side of the Ukrainians and against Russia, and we need
[25:10] Speaker 5: to make that abundantly clear. They are they are purposefully
[25:13] Speaker 5: helping or on now kill American service liners, and we
[25:18] Speaker 5: knew it, but now I think we have more information
[25:20] Speaker 5: that points to that. And the Chinese, right, I think
[25:25] Speaker 5: they can see where their satellites are oriented. I think
[25:29] Speaker 5: that's what's happening. And that's why people are like, well,
[25:32] Speaker 5: obviously they're they're they're collecting information on the US military positions,
[25:38] Speaker 5: including naval vessels.
[25:40] Speaker 2: Do you guys think in some ways that all of
[25:42] Speaker 2: this talk on foreign policy we're missing a point that
[25:45] Speaker 2: everything that's going to happen in the war and Iran
[25:47] Speaker 2: now is going to be geared to the US domestic
[25:48] Speaker 2: audience and to the midterms. I mean, is that and
[25:52] Speaker 2: so so whether it's whatever the White House does or
[25:54] Speaker 2: what the Democrats do that that really the midterms are
[25:57] Speaker 2: the number one thing, period, end of story. And even
[26:00] Speaker 2: the right courses of action, or if there were to
[26:02] Speaker 2: be one, wouldn't even be considered because now it's just political.
[26:05] Speaker 2: It's whoever's going to win in November. What do you
[26:07] Speaker 2: all think of that notion? Because I'm actually starting to
[26:10] Speaker 2: subscribe to that now.
[26:12] Speaker 5: I think the Iranian subscribe to it, Yeah, for sure,
[26:16] Speaker 5: and they probably it's going to have an impact, There's
[26:19] Speaker 5: no doubt about it. It's very unpopular war. So it's more
[26:21] Speaker 5: unpopular than like three years into the Iraq War.
[26:24] Speaker 2: Right, it's the most unpopular war in the history of more.
[26:27] Speaker 6: Yeah, and palling and falling.
[26:29] Speaker 5: So I guess one thing, and it's not a good thing,
[26:33] Speaker 5: but it for all the leverage that the election has,
[26:38] Speaker 5: there's going to be a day after the election, yeah, right,
[26:42] Speaker 5: So from the Iranian perspective that they's just all focused
[26:45] Speaker 5: on that, like just make it so painful. Well, whatever
[26:49] Speaker 5: happens on election Day happens, and then that leverage point
[26:52] Speaker 5: goes away. So and then you know, President Trump, he
[26:56] Speaker 5: doesn't have another election and his party doesn't well, he's
[27:00] Speaker 5: in office, so that leverage point goes away, and so
[27:06] Speaker 5: what does that mean?
[27:06] Speaker 2: I would I would also say that the Democrats, if
[27:08] Speaker 2: they take the House and the Senate, can make life
[27:10] Speaker 2: exceedingly hard in terms of funding.
[27:12] Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yes.
[27:15] Speaker 2: Which there's another old This will drive you crazy when
[27:17] Speaker 2: I say this, and I because because you know, the
[27:19] Speaker 2: I geek out on the Middle Eastern stuff and Israeli politics.
[27:22] Speaker 2: But in Israel there's everyone says there's no such thing
[27:25] Speaker 2: as rarely foreign policy. It's only domestic policy. Now it's
[27:28] Speaker 2: a tiny little country, you understand why. But in some
[27:30] Speaker 2: ways you could say the same thing right now about
[27:32] Speaker 2: about the war and ire on. It is domestic policy
[27:35] Speaker 2: or domestic uh concerns that I think are going to dominate.
[27:39] Speaker 1: So I just have to think it's understandably understandably so
[27:43] Speaker 1: why they should dominate. I mean, the Pentagon's asking for
[27:46] Speaker 1: like an extra eighty plus billion dollars in uh, you know,
[27:50] Speaker 1: ancillary funding for this, and there's no end in sight.
[27:54] Speaker 1: And people are paying more money at the gasp, more
[27:56] Speaker 1: money at the at the grocery store, so it's it's
[27:59] Speaker 1: very easily exploited in politically, I mean I can make.
[28:03] Speaker 1: I can write you an ad right now, a political ad,
[28:06] Speaker 1: you know, shitting on the Republicans for this. So yeah,
[28:11] Speaker 1: I think that's something to be considered at least in
[28:13] Speaker 1: the democracy, right Like, can I have answer a.
[28:15] Speaker 2: Quick question just about assuming Andy's out and somewhere outside
[28:21] Speaker 2: of the country, perhaps in region we know, well, but
[28:24] Speaker 2: just what are the attitudes of people on the street
[28:27] Speaker 2: in the Middle East towards this, particularly the golf I mean,
[28:30] Speaker 2: sometimes you know, we get asked questions, you know, what
[28:32] Speaker 2: do the golf Arabs say? But that actually is a
[28:34] Speaker 2: pretty giant conglomeration, and I think there are differences between
[28:37] Speaker 2: the Amoradies and the Saudis and the minus the cutteries.
[28:40] Speaker 2: Can you kind of give a little background where you
[28:42] Speaker 2: think that is now popular opinion or governments? They are
[28:46] Speaker 2: taking the brunt a lot of this stuff, and you
[28:48] Speaker 2: now have you know, I guess the reports are true
[28:51] Speaker 2: of you know, Kuwaiti and other golf air forces in
[28:55] Speaker 2: the mix.
[28:57] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question. So and there is a
[29:02] Speaker 4: there's a the only the two countries that I'm directly
[29:06] Speaker 4: familiar with, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. I've traveled frequently to
[29:11] Speaker 4: Jordan in the last few weeks. I will say this,
[29:13] Speaker 4: the Saudis are very guarded about what they think. I
[29:17] Speaker 4: think it's part of Saudi culture. They are unfailingly courteous
[29:22] Speaker 4: and are very hesitant to criticize openly. I but I
[29:29] Speaker 4: you know, obviously there's a good deal of frustration here
[29:32] Speaker 4: and obviously has hurt their pocket book. But but for
[29:38] Speaker 4: the average they you know, I mean, I'm not pretending
[29:41] Speaker 4: to be able to read the Arab street, but for
[29:43] Speaker 4: the average guy in the street, life kind of goes
[29:46] Speaker 4: on here for a number of reasons. You know, Saudi economy.
[29:50] Speaker 4: The average person is somewhat insulated from perhaps from what
[29:55] Speaker 4: is going on in Jordan. That is very different in Jordan.
[30:00] Speaker 4: If when people find out you're American, I mean, it's
[30:02] Speaker 4: not hostility, but they want to tell you how pissed
[30:06] Speaker 4: off they are and tell you the stories about how
[30:09] Speaker 4: it has ruined, you know, where whatever it may be,
[30:11] Speaker 4: the hotel is staying in the even you know, when
[30:15] Speaker 4: I went to have my haircut, I I the guy
[30:18] Speaker 4: should have tipped me for being the subject of his venting.
[30:22] Speaker 4: But I mean I understand it totally. I mean, it
[30:27] Speaker 4: has part of it is the fact that, yes, for
[30:32] Speaker 4: the other country, Sadi Arabia UAE, the economy is free
[30:36] Speaker 4: dependent on fossil fuels and that has been affected. But
[30:40] Speaker 4: and it has particularly affected UAE too because of the
[30:44] Speaker 4: expat community. Those of you have been to Dubai anytime
[30:47] Speaker 4: in the last decade, though that it's hard to see,
[30:49] Speaker 4: you know, you'll see the Amordies are vastly outnumbered by expats. Well,
[30:55] Speaker 4: expats have fled from UAE, and it doubtless has had
[30:59] Speaker 4: a huge knock effect of the economy there. But I
[31:01] Speaker 4: couldn't tell you directly how the Amordes are reacting. So
[31:05] Speaker 4: in Saudi, very guarded and there's no kind of open hostility,
[31:13] Speaker 4: but definitely concerned, especially with the attack on the Jasagan,
[31:18] Speaker 4: the attempted attacks yesterday on oil refineries. Remember the Saudis,
[31:23] Speaker 4: the Hohothi's delivered a successful attack against the Iramco facility
[31:29] Speaker 4: a while ago, twenty nineteen. But the Saudis remember that.
[31:32] Speaker 4: And also the fact that of course they're under direct
[31:37] Speaker 4: squeeze of oil, you know, straights and holl moves or
[31:42] Speaker 4: cut off. The last thing. Generally, a lot of concern
[31:46] Speaker 4: about desalination plants, the you know, if you look across
[31:50] Speaker 4: the I think we talked about this last time we
[31:52] Speaker 4: were on air, but golf countries Saudi Arabia to included
[31:57] Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia probably less than the other golf countries. I
[31:59] Speaker 4: think it areas between dependence on desalination plants full water
[32:06] Speaker 4: about seventy percent here in Saudi Arabia that goes all
[32:09] Speaker 4: the way up to one hundred percent or ninety to
[32:11] Speaker 4: one hundred percent places like Kwayde and Bahrain, and the
[32:14] Speaker 4: Ranians announcing that they plan, you know, the next escalation
[32:19] Speaker 4: plant is to go after desalination plants is causing a
[32:22] Speaker 4: lot of concern. Back to Jordan though, tremendous, tremendous, like nothing.
[32:29] Speaker 4: I mean, I've been visiting Jordan for on and off
[32:33] Speaker 4: for about fifteen years and I've never seen and normally
[32:36] Speaker 4: they're really pro American. That has changed, absolutely changed.
[32:42] Speaker 5: Did they say in Saudi did they say anything about
[32:44] Speaker 5: this nuclear agreement that.
[32:46] Speaker 6: Was and then wasn't.
[32:49] Speaker 4: No, you know again, I think it's part of the
[32:52] Speaker 4: culture courtesy. They will talk about they love talking about
[32:55] Speaker 4: the World Cup, you know, I'm talking about colleagues and
[32:57] Speaker 4: the administray defense, but were politely, you know, and and
[33:03] Speaker 4: it's the issues like that are not common conversation. But
[33:10] Speaker 4: I will say this, if you watch our Arabia here
[33:13] Speaker 4: and the state, there's a tremendous amount of excitement, doubtless.
[33:16] Speaker 4: You know, there's, uh, there's a feeling that you know,
[33:24] Speaker 4: there's always kind of a feeling. I mean, everyone's proud
[33:26] Speaker 4: of their countries here, right, and you say there's a
[33:28] Speaker 4: Saudis are proud to be Saudis, and there's always this
[33:31] Speaker 4: feeling that they should be regional leaders, that they're not
[33:36] Speaker 4: one of the Gulf states, you know, I mean, and
[33:40] Speaker 4: so uh, this this agreement about enrichment is is very
[33:47] Speaker 4: important to them. And it's not you know, it's not
[33:49] Speaker 4: about building the bomb. It's everything that it enables. The
[33:53] Speaker 4: Saudis burned through a huge amount of fossil fuel in
[33:58] Speaker 4: order to provide the energy that they refined. The deal
[34:01] Speaker 4: gave UAE has already given UAE the ability to produce
[34:07] Speaker 4: half of their energy from nuclear power, which is it's
[34:13] Speaker 4: a tremendous improvement. So it's not it's not about building
[34:16] Speaker 4: the bomb. It's about, particularly in Saudi Arabia, being being
[34:20] Speaker 4: able to align their means of energy production in line
[34:26] Speaker 4: with NBS's transformation vision for twenty thirty, which is which
[34:32] Speaker 4: it means to moving the Saudi economy away from relying
[34:37] Speaker 4: solely on fossil fuels. I mean that is that is
[34:40] Speaker 4: his stated objectives. So being able to have an agreement
[34:43] Speaker 4: to enriched uranium, that's why it's always been important to
[34:46] Speaker 4: the Saudis.
[34:49] Speaker 5: Well, I was pretty shocking because that's one thing is
[34:53] Speaker 5: you know, I'm not saying it's end all, be all,
[34:55] Speaker 5: but I think Sector Eruvio should be more involved in
[34:58] Speaker 5: all these negotiations and his team in general, because we've
[35:02] Speaker 5: had one MoU that was so vague that it kind
[35:05] Speaker 5: of fell apart as soon as it started, and then
[35:08] Speaker 5: you had an agreement that I think took from mom toal.
[35:11] Speaker 5: It took months of really detailed negotiations. It fell apart
[35:15] Speaker 5: after it was signed because of something that, if it
[35:18] Speaker 5: was a requirement in the first place, should have been identified.
[35:20] Speaker 5: Right if it always required Saudi Arabia to join the
[35:25] Speaker 5: Abrahm Chords. Yeah, maybe I'm missing something.
[35:31] Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, So that so I that's a non starter.
[35:38] Speaker 4: I can tell you that in Saudi Arabia.
[35:41] Speaker 5: Right, So why was there all these negotiations and signing
[35:45] Speaker 5: ceremonies and then then that's popped on. So it just
[35:50] Speaker 5: and I bring that up obviously because it's problematic, but
[35:53] Speaker 5: it's also problematic when it comes to ending the war
[35:55] Speaker 5: through a negotiated process. We need to have a functional
[35:59] Speaker 5: negotiations that actually has really descriptive so that we know
[36:03] Speaker 5: what we're getting into and we're actually agreeing to if
[36:05] Speaker 5: we have these things that start and stop, start and
[36:09] Speaker 5: stop it, I mean from the not that it cares
[36:12] Speaker 5: so much about the Rani perspective. They might just like, look,
[36:14] Speaker 5: it's not even worth the effort, and it is for
[36:19] Speaker 5: us worth the effort. You know, we want this to
[36:21] Speaker 5: end diplomatically. We don't want to see a major escalation.
[36:25] Speaker 3: Don't you think they're stringing us along?
[36:26] Speaker 2: I mean they just you know, they so they show
[36:28] Speaker 2: a little leg every once in a while, they act reasonable.
[36:30] Speaker 2: Whatever these recent proposals are. You know, the Amani's were
[36:33] Speaker 2: there yesterday, I guess, and so and Trump made some
[36:37] Speaker 2: statements saying that you know, there does seem to be progress,
[36:39] Speaker 2: and so, I mean they're just they're masters at this.
[36:42] Speaker 4: Ye.
[36:42] Speaker 2: They're just this is just going to last forever, and
[36:45] Speaker 2: they just want it. They kind of as as the
[36:48] Speaker 2: economic pain grows inside the United States. Back to this,
[36:52] Speaker 2: the kind of the Saudi stuff. I mean, it is
[36:55] Speaker 2: amazing to me that we took the single biggest carrot
[36:58] Speaker 2: that we had with the Saudi which is normalization with Israel,
[37:02] Speaker 2: and we took that off the table for this nuclear
[37:04] Speaker 2: deal for the US is a Sandy nuclear deal.
[37:07] Speaker 3: I mean it is, you know, the and.
[37:10] Speaker 2: Of course, especially when there's likely going to be a
[37:13] Speaker 2: change in the Israeli government in October in which they
[37:16] Speaker 2: can't utter the words yes to a future Palestinian state
[37:19] Speaker 2: without having netnya who's crazy coalition stopping that. You know,
[37:23] Speaker 2: that would be something that would be really significant in
[37:27] Speaker 2: the Middle East. But now we've just given them the
[37:29] Speaker 2: nuclear deal. Whatever Trump said afterwards, you know, because there
[37:33] Speaker 2: was so much criticism of this, I mean, the one
[37:34] Speaker 2: that's something I think the Biden administration got right. The
[37:37] Speaker 2: carrot for this US Saudi nuclear deal was Saudi joining
[37:41] Speaker 2: Abraham Accords. If the Israelis could say the magical words
[37:44] Speaker 2: about a Palestinian state, I mean, lots of moving parts,
[37:47] Speaker 2: but we just botched that whole thing. And the dysfunction
[37:50] Speaker 2: in the administration was such that Trump was pissed about
[37:52] Speaker 2: it because the I guess the US Energy Secretary didn't
[37:55] Speaker 2: even tell the White House he's going to announce this. Again,
[37:58] Speaker 2: this goes back to something we've talked about all time
[38:00] Speaker 2: about lack of planning in the national security process. There's
[38:02] Speaker 2: no you know, and that's whose job is that. It's
[38:04] Speaker 2: Marco Rubio and the National Security Advisor.
[38:07] Speaker 5: Yeah, but it can't be both, it can't be both
[38:11] Speaker 5: of state.
[38:11] Speaker 6: Whatever.
[38:12] Speaker 2: But the idea that this whole thing was just a
[38:13] Speaker 2: goat rip. The Saudi's are now don't really understand what
[38:16] Speaker 2: we're up to now, and I think there is some
[38:18] Speaker 2: thought that the deal might go through anyhow, but that
[38:22] Speaker 2: Trump was really covering his rear because of the criticism
[38:26] Speaker 2: throwing his way. But again, we had, you know, the
[38:28] Speaker 2: idea of the Saudi Arabae joined the Abraham I've never
[38:31] Speaker 2: been a fan of the Abraham McCords because it never
[38:33] Speaker 2: addressed the Palestinian issue. I thought, just because Israelis could
[38:36] Speaker 2: go ski at ski Dubai, you know, in Emirates, a
[38:39] Speaker 2: great place. I've been there indoor skiing, that's wonderful, but
[38:42] Speaker 2: it didn't solve a fundamental problem, especially since the countries
[38:46] Speaker 2: that signed the Abraham Accords were never actually at war
[38:48] Speaker 2: with Israel, but the notion of Israel. Saudi ra Puschemont
[38:52] Speaker 2: signed the Abraham Accords with the Israelis formally saying something
[38:55] Speaker 2: about a future state. That's a really big deal. And
[38:58] Speaker 2: I think we blew all our leverage. I didn't understand
[39:00] Speaker 2: why we did that. That was diplomatic malpractice.
[39:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the agreement was signed on. I mean,
[39:06] Speaker 4: it's already been signed right on. It was last week
[39:10] Speaker 4: twenty to twenty second. I think it's I mean, it's
[39:14] Speaker 4: fair to say it's not an immediate green light to
[39:17] Speaker 4: enrich I am. You know, it established this this two
[39:20] Speaker 4: year US Saudi study for height to determine whether domestic
[39:26] Speaker 4: enrichment is practical, I mean, commercially viable, whether it's warranted.
[39:34] Speaker 4: And then after that then so two years, I mean,
[39:41] Speaker 4: anything could happen potentially in those two years, where it
[39:44] Speaker 4: could be a new administration. But nevertheless, it's a start
[39:51] Speaker 4: and it has generated a good deal of excitement.
[39:55] Speaker 5: So is it still in place? I thought President Trump
[39:58] Speaker 5: came out and said it.
[39:59] Speaker 6: Was over O it's not the case.
[40:02] Speaker 3: Confusion.
[40:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure the Saudi's were not happy
[40:07] Speaker 2: about Trump's statements, saying it's all contingent and Abraham accords.
[40:10] Speaker 4: Yeah, he did say, he said it was, he said
[40:14] Speaker 4: it will be approved, and then he said it's totally
[40:18] Speaker 4: subject to Saudi Arabia joining the Abraham McCole.
[40:22] Speaker 6: So i and then they won't do so.
[40:25] Speaker 2: All right, But again that's the dysfunction. This doesn't happen
[40:27] Speaker 2: if you have a functioning National Security Council. It just doesn't.
[40:32] Speaker 5: Yah Sarah would have had that that that's a pretty
[40:35] Speaker 5: big requirement, right, so it would have been discussed over
[40:37] Speaker 5: and over and over again.
[40:39] Speaker 2: And the right requirement, which was not in anything. The
[40:42] Speaker 2: Saudis came out and then said, actually this was not
[40:44] Speaker 2: part of the requirement. Sorry, and it's binding. So who knows.
[40:52] Speaker 2: True social is is amazing.
[40:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, the messaging is really tricky. I mean, you have
[41:00] Speaker 1: uh Energy secretary coming out and there's the other side
[41:04] Speaker 1: of the room that the other side of the office
[41:06] Speaker 1: doesn't know what's going on. It's and it's it's not
[41:10] Speaker 1: just some bullshit that you can you know, throw out
[41:13] Speaker 1: on Friday nights for people to forget about. It's something
[41:17] Speaker 1: directly pertaining to our issues. In the Middle East, right,
[41:20] Speaker 1: like if we're going to give Saudi the aok enricheranium.
[41:24] Speaker 4: But you know, I think it's been again, I think
[41:28] Speaker 4: the danger of the agreement has been overstated. All right,
[41:32] Speaker 4: a two year study which gives all kinds of leeway,
[41:38] Speaker 4: uh and and and then the the agreement itself isn't
[41:43] Speaker 4: giving the Saudis the technology to enrich their own uranium.
[41:48] Speaker 4: It's it's establishing what you know, what's been called a
[41:52] Speaker 4: black box facility, which is physically located in Saudi Arabia,
[41:56] Speaker 4: but it's celebrated by American companies with out transferring the
[42:02] Speaker 4: you know, enrichment technology directly to the Saudis. So it's
[42:09] Speaker 4: it's kind of enrichment enabling. But you've got this gate
[42:15] Speaker 4: of a two year study, right, and then you've got
[42:18] Speaker 4: American operational control. So I you know, for those who
[42:23] Speaker 4: are criticizing the agreement on its own merit and saying, hey,
[42:27] Speaker 4: how can we doing this, you know, we may not
[42:31] Speaker 4: have we may not have stipulated the Saudis need to
[42:34] Speaker 4: join a non proliferation sign a non proliferation agreement. But
[42:37] Speaker 4: if you look at the terms of the actual agreement,
[42:39] Speaker 4: there's no need to do that if we're not transferring
[42:42] Speaker 4: the technology directly to them.
[42:45] Speaker 2: I agree, I think it agreement. I mean again, but
[42:47] Speaker 2: there's no carrot. I mean, the idea would be they
[42:49] Speaker 2: got to they got to join the Abraham Accords.
[42:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they get this.
[42:52] Speaker 2: I think I think they and frankly, I think US
[42:54] Speaker 2: national scurity planners and Israelis and others would be more
[42:57] Speaker 2: comfortable with that if there's going to be you know,
[43:00] Speaker 2: because then you ends up having a Saudi Israeli alliance.
[43:02] Speaker 2: Of course, all of this is not even possible with
[43:05] Speaker 2: the current Israeli government, so we shall see. I just
[43:08] Speaker 2: think we should have I don't understand why this happened. Now,
[43:10] Speaker 2: Why did we not wait till there's a change in
[43:12] Speaker 2: Israeli administrations where you could actually have a significant progress.
[43:16] Speaker 4: I think I don't know, but I think some of
[43:20] Speaker 4: this might have been a Trumpeian reaction too, to the
[43:25] Speaker 4: fact that in the in the media and and it's
[43:31] Speaker 4: you know, you know, no secret Saudi Arabia is becoming
[43:34] Speaker 4: very frustrated with the administration's lack of information sharing right
[43:41] Speaker 4: about intentions and so what was the name? What was
[43:46] Speaker 4: the name of the operation?
[43:48] Speaker 1: Uh that.
[43:50] Speaker 4: Uh that NBS said, Hey, when we're going to deny acts, Okay,
[43:56] Speaker 4: we we're done. We're going to do says to Saudi space.
[44:02] Speaker 4: If you want to continue this. I forget it was.
[44:06] Speaker 4: It was like in week five of the seven week campaign.
[44:10] Speaker 3: I think it was just recently too.
[44:11] Speaker 1: It was.
[44:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're right.
[44:14] Speaker 4: So so yeah, you know, I mean, doubtless Trump administration,
[44:18] Speaker 4: that has always been ostensibly very friendly and welcoming to
[44:22] Speaker 4: the Saudis, in practice has kind of cold shouldered them
[44:26] Speaker 4: at a time when the Saudis were taking, along with UAE,
[44:29] Speaker 4: the brunt of many of the attacks, and there was
[44:31] Speaker 4: the feeling that they were being slighted, and I think
[44:33] Speaker 4: with some justification, great deal justification. So I felt, you
[44:38] Speaker 4: know that this was again kind of a Trumpian Hey guys,
[44:43] Speaker 4: you're still my friends. Look what I'm doing without really
[44:48] Speaker 4: surprisingly right, laying the diplomatic groundwork for this to be
[44:55] Speaker 4: a move.
[44:56] Speaker 1: B love you wrap up?
[45:02] Speaker 4: All right?
[45:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, so Andy.
[45:07] Speaker 4: Have left.
[45:08] Speaker 1: So yeah, it's okay, Now this part is not sponsored
[45:11] Speaker 1: by the CIA.
[45:12] Speaker 4: Losing, We're losing, and then we've just lost ninety five
[45:14] Speaker 4: percent of our audience too.
[45:16] Speaker 1: No, I don't think so I think you're wrong on that.
[45:19] Speaker 1: Are you tracking at all what's going on with Israel?
[45:21] Speaker 1: Like but the political like the election in October. I
[45:28] Speaker 1: really haven't seen polls or anything like that. Does it
[45:30] Speaker 1: really look like Naran Yahoo's going to get bounced as
[45:35] Speaker 1: far as you know?
[45:36] Speaker 4: I mean, so I don't have any insights into this
[45:40] Speaker 4: beyond what I'm reading, and uh, and what I'm reading
[45:43] Speaker 4: is conflicting, right, It's really I know I'm just hedging,
[45:49] Speaker 4: but I'm just giving an on a stanzer. I think
[45:52] Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be a nail by it right
[45:54] Speaker 4: down to the election itself. I mean, it's we can
[45:58] Speaker 4: go on and on about how there is a segment
[46:02] Speaker 4: of the Israeli population that hates net Nyahuo, but that's
[46:06] Speaker 4: also a sizable segment of the Israeli population who will
[46:10] Speaker 4: support him no matter what, simmenly, you know, similar to
[46:14] Speaker 4: to our own president. So hard to say I didn't think. Yeah,
[46:19] Speaker 4: I'm not too early especially on that.
[46:24] Speaker 1: All right, One last thing, what do you make of
[46:27] Speaker 1: Ukraine hitting a couple of container ships heading towards Iran
[46:32] Speaker 1: from Russia with military supplies, and Iran coming out saying
[46:37] Speaker 1: I think they said a sailor was killed and somebody
[46:38] Speaker 1: else was injured. What do you make of that?
[46:43] Speaker 4: The Ukrainians have a legitimate beef with the Iranians from
[46:47] Speaker 4: way back in early twenty twenty three, actually late twenty
[46:52] Speaker 4: twenty four, when the Russians first started using the shah
[46:55] Speaker 4: head drone. I mean that's been there's been absolutely open
[47:00] Speaker 4: collaboration between the Uranians and the Russians, and now the
[47:03] Speaker 4: Russians are developing the shids domestically with Uranian support. Of course,
[47:11] Speaker 4: this is no the and and the you know agreements
[47:16] Speaker 4: on on oil, the all of these things. I mean,
[47:20] Speaker 4: Iran is a Russian ally, It is a Russian ally, okay,
[47:25] Speaker 4: So absolutely legitimate. Ukraine has been has cut down Russian
[47:32] Speaker 4: ability to export, refine and export that oil by the
[47:38] Speaker 4: estimates on the media between fourteen and twenty percent, right,
[47:41] Speaker 4: which is significant, some say higher. And you can see
[47:45] Speaker 4: on on RT you know, Russian owned networks, long lines
[47:51] Speaker 4: at gas stations. The Russian population is feeling the impacts
[47:55] Speaker 4: that Ukrainian strikes on their oil infrastructure. So going after
[48:01] Speaker 4: going after exports it just makes sense too. And the
[48:07] Speaker 4: Ranians have certainly no friends of the Ukrainians. It's kind
[48:13] Speaker 4: of ironic, you know, I mean his Ukraine pitching in
[48:16] Speaker 4: to assist the United States.
[48:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what else? There was something else I wanted
[48:26] Speaker 1: to ask you?
[48:28] Speaker 4: I forgot hey, you know, god one thing. I mean,
[48:31] Speaker 4: John's not here, and and I would say, you know,
[48:36] Speaker 4: we've been talking about the the fact that more of
[48:41] Speaker 4: the same military strikes is likely to have limited returns,
[48:45] Speaker 4: and that understanding are the kind of the mentality of
[48:49] Speaker 4: Iranian leadership. They are very unlikely to negotiate and give
[48:54] Speaker 4: concessions while still being struck, right, And so you've got this,
[49:00] Speaker 4: You've got this disparity that we just think, keep ramping
[49:04] Speaker 4: up the kinetic pressure, ramp it up, ramp it up.
[49:06] Speaker 4: At some stage they're going to come to the negotiations table.
[49:10] Speaker 4: But then from their point of view, it doesn't make
[49:14] Speaker 4: sense at all, and that is not going to happen.
[49:18] Speaker 4: I would think, I would think that John would, if
[49:22] Speaker 4: he'd been here, would talk about the fact that sanctions
[49:28] Speaker 4: so far have had limited effect for a number of reasons.
[49:31] Speaker 4: One is that we impose sanctions and increments. I think
[49:34] Speaker 4: there's been kind of four increments right since the conflict started.
[49:39] Speaker 4: And what it's meant in each case, we impose sanctions
[49:45] Speaker 4: in the Uranians adapt they find workarounds, we go after
[49:49] Speaker 4: those workarounds. You know, we've identified I know thirty two
[49:52] Speaker 4: individuals in eight countries who are enabling Iran to rebuild
[49:57] Speaker 4: their missile drone programs right by provid components everywhere from
[50:01] Speaker 4: Hong Kong to Belarus. We've identified the ships that are
[50:05] Speaker 4: carrying Iranian oil invaribly. They are flying flanks of countries
[50:12] Speaker 4: that would either deny as boarding rights or we have
[50:15] Speaker 4: to ask those countries specifically before boarding their vessels. We
[50:18] Speaker 4: can't just simply board vessels unless they are on flank, right.
[50:22] Speaker 4: So all of these things are happening. So I think
[50:25] Speaker 4: John would probably say we need to have We just
[50:28] Speaker 4: need to be more dynamic in our imposition of these
[50:31] Speaker 4: sanctions and going after the supply chains rather than hitting
[50:36] Speaker 4: the finished products in Iran, and what that means is
[50:40] Speaker 4: imposing rolling sanctions. Right, So we're constantly identifying workarounds, going
[50:47] Speaker 4: after individuals who are involved with those working rounds, putting
[50:51] Speaker 4: pressure on governments that are allowing the components to export
[50:57] Speaker 4: of components, etc. Really imposing costs on banks, separating them
[51:05] Speaker 4: from the financial system. If they are even peripherally involved
[51:11] Speaker 4: in supporting Iran by harboring Iranian assets or enabling the
[51:17] Speaker 4: Iranian assets to bypass US sanctions. All of these things
[51:21] Speaker 4: are things that we can do. We can physically, you know,
[51:25] Speaker 4: we we can. And I'm a little bit thin nice here,
[51:30] Speaker 4: but there are there are circumstances in which we can
[51:35] Speaker 4: physically board ships even without permission of the countries that
[51:40] Speaker 4: own them. But for the countries that own them, we
[51:44] Speaker 4: just simply need to put pressure on them and say, listen,
[51:49] Speaker 4: we need to you know, this ship, we've got evidence,
[51:53] Speaker 4: blah blah blah. We're going to board and search and
[51:56] Speaker 4: impound if we find that it is evading sanctions. So
[51:59] Speaker 4: there's a lot of things that can be done. And
[52:02] Speaker 4: then on the targeting itself, Look, we're playing whack amole.
[52:07] Speaker 4: We're playing whack them all in the area of sanctions
[52:11] Speaker 4: and imposing costs and preventing workarounds and regeneration of these
[52:18] Speaker 4: of these programs and the weapons programs, all of these things,
[52:23] Speaker 4: and we're playing wackamol when it comes to strikes. And
[52:26] Speaker 4: so I'm thinking, Okay, what do you do when you're
[52:29] Speaker 4: going after assets that are hard to destroy And yes,
[52:34] Speaker 4: you go after infrastructure to some extent, but the other
[52:39] Speaker 4: thing is just making a very determined effort to go
[52:42] Speaker 4: after layers of leadership. Right, We've gone after the top
[52:44] Speaker 4: layer of leadership, and then you keep lowering that layer.
[52:50] Speaker 4: And it's especially important since the Iranian Siree. And I
[52:53] Speaker 4: know this has become a cliche, but they're operating off
[52:55] Speaker 4: of kind of a theory of mission command, decentralized command,
[52:59] Speaker 4: where they push that decision making down the mosaic doctrine.
[53:03] Speaker 4: So we keep we take we make a very comprehensive
[53:07] Speaker 4: approach to knocking off each layer of leadership. And I
[53:11] Speaker 4: know I'll probably be critiqued for my rather cavalier terminology here,
[53:17] Speaker 4: but that's you know, when you're talking about bringing pain
[53:21] Speaker 4: on the regime itself, not on the people, but on
[53:23] Speaker 4: the regime itself, that's what you have to do those
[53:27] Speaker 4: things in conjunction. I know we're doing some of that,
[53:32] Speaker 4: but we're not doing it. We're not doing it comprehensively holistically,
[53:36] Speaker 4: and we're not doing it in a way dynamic targeting right,
[53:40] Speaker 4: and both in both ways, dynamic financial targeting, dynamic kinetic targeting.
[53:47] Speaker 4: It's a way to approach this right. And at the
[53:50] Speaker 4: same time, there's a whole realm of cybers stuff that
[53:53] Speaker 4: we could be doing. And I know I understand why
[53:57] Speaker 4: we don't certainly want to do it. We don't want
[53:59] Speaker 4: to show our hands to the country is a country
[54:03] Speaker 4: that we regard as being our real enemy. But nevertheless,
[54:06] Speaker 4: there are things that we can do, I'm sure in
[54:09] Speaker 4: that area offensive cyber operations, to also increase the pain
[54:14] Speaker 4: directly on the Iranian regime. So I guess you know
[54:20] Speaker 4: in a nutshell what I'm saying is, rather than this
[54:24] Speaker 4: rather broad targeting. And even though we've said that we've
[54:28] Speaker 4: narrowed the aperture of that targeting to certain assets, we
[54:34] Speaker 4: forget about those assets. We forget about the weapon which downranged,
[54:39] Speaker 4: and we go after the supply chains, we go after
[54:43] Speaker 4: the financial the money flow right, and then we go
[54:49] Speaker 4: after the actual leadership. The combination of those things would
[54:53] Speaker 4: seem to be a more intelligent way perhaps to do this.
[54:58] Speaker 1: And let me ask you to have those rolling sanctions
[55:00] Speaker 1: and the more dynamic sanctions. Do you need a think
[55:05] Speaker 1: Congress to okay that and like a law to be
[55:07] Speaker 1: passed or something like that? Can we do that?
[55:09] Speaker 4: I mean it's a simply.
[55:12] Speaker 1: Doing it.
[55:13] Speaker 4: This is direction to the treasure.
[55:14] Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't need are you we need a
[55:17] Speaker 1: functioning dynamic seed or something like that.
[55:20] Speaker 4: We didn't need congressional approval to impose the four sets
[55:23] Speaker 4: that we've already done. You know, I think it's just
[55:26] Speaker 4: direction to Treasury and Ophak to go ahead and do it.
[55:30] Speaker 4: I could be wrong on that, okay, and I welcome
[55:33] Speaker 4: any any of our audience who can correct me. It's
[55:37] Speaker 4: not my area of expertise. Indeed, I have no real
[55:40] Speaker 4: areas of expertise, but but I do know that much
[55:45] Speaker 4: that you know going after the money is it is
[55:49] Speaker 4: one of the things. Then we need to going after
[55:51] Speaker 4: the money going off to the components upstream supply chain,
[55:55] Speaker 4: and then downstream going off to the people. There's a
[55:59] Speaker 4: way perhaps to bring greater pression lasting is you've got
[56:05] Speaker 4: to offer a carrit all right. You've got to think,
[56:07] Speaker 4: how do you're any this whole thing about unconditional surrender?
[56:11] Speaker 4: And they're going to give in and you have to.
[56:13] Speaker 4: You have to if you want to really bring them
[56:16] Speaker 4: to the negotiating table. You ratchet up the pain. And
[56:19] Speaker 4: now in the ways that I've told you and be
[56:20] Speaker 4: smart about it, but at the same time you have
[56:22] Speaker 4: to them offer them some face saving outlet.
[56:29] Speaker 1: Yeah no, well said, all right, tell me about your book.
[56:35] Speaker 4: Yeah, so the war in Gaza. If you're interested in
[56:40] Speaker 4: in chapter increments pending publication, which would be in early
[56:45] Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven, please sign on to my sub stack
[56:50] Speaker 4: and if it's I will you know without thank you,
[56:58] Speaker 4: thank you for this platform. I will say this, Okay,
[57:02] Speaker 4: incredibly difficult topic to write about.
[57:05] Speaker 7: It.
[57:05] Speaker 4: It was I in for a number of ways, and
[57:09] Speaker 4: and I've tried to. I think you'll see from the
[57:12] Speaker 4: chapters that I've written, the chapters that I have been published,
[57:15] Speaker 4: that it's as balanced as I possibly can make it.
[57:18] Speaker 4: But I don't pull punches where punches need where punches
[57:22] Speaker 4: need to be delivered. I delivered them in the book.
[57:25] Speaker 4: But I back everything up with facts. I mean, you've
[57:27] Speaker 4: read my articles on Gaza. But but my point is too,
[57:33] Speaker 4: I I look at it totally. I mean that the
[57:37] Speaker 4: people I've interviewed on both sides, I won't say both
[57:41] Speaker 4: sides all sides, it's it's a pretty comprehensive group. And
[57:47] Speaker 4: to my knowledge, and I've read, either read or reviewed
[57:54] Speaker 4: all the books on seventh October have come out to date.
[57:56] Speaker 4: This is I don't think there is as realistic a
[58:00] Speaker 4: comprehensive approach to the topic as as in this book
[58:04] Speaker 4: that is coming out.
[58:07] Speaker 1: Are you are you? Are you planning on posting a
[58:10] Speaker 1: chapter like every chapter?
[58:11] Speaker 4: No?
[58:11] Speaker 1: Right, one chapter? No?
[58:14] Speaker 4: I mean between now on publication, I will public I
[58:17] Speaker 4: will post maybe a third of all of the book
[58:22] Speaker 4: available free right cheap scape.
[58:25] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[58:25] Speaker 4: That first chapter was incredible substex free totally.
[58:30] Speaker 1: Yeah. And that first chapter was incredible. I definitely suggest
[58:33] Speaker 1: people go and check it out. That link is the
[58:35] Speaker 1: description for the substack.
[58:37] Speaker 4: There is stuff in the book that has not been
[58:40] Speaker 4: released elsewhere, you know, especially when we're getting into what
[58:45] Speaker 4: actually happened on seven October, the lead up hal hamas
[58:50] Speaker 4: prepared for it, uh and and and also within the
[58:56] Speaker 4: subsequent conflict in Gaza and the conflict in the on
[59:00] Speaker 4: the northern front of the in and and although you know,
[59:06] Speaker 4: for the most part, a lot of my sources, not all,
[59:12] Speaker 4: but you know a lot of them wanted to remain anonymous,
[59:14] Speaker 4: and of course you know, I protect that. Where I
[59:17] Speaker 4: have done so, then I find I also find objective
[59:22] Speaker 4: proof of what they have said. So I'm not just
[59:24] Speaker 4: simply taking people's word for it, but there is a
[59:26] Speaker 4: lot in that that you will not find anywhere else.
[59:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh yeah, definitely check it out everybody. All Right,
[59:35] Speaker 1: that's the show. I think. Unless you have more to say, Andy,
[59:37] Speaker 1: I'll let you bring, I'll let you rip.
[59:40] Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's way way too much.
[59:43] Speaker 1: Of me, for sure. I want everyone to do us
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[1:00:23] Speaker 1: So Andy a pleasure, as always, Rest in peace. Sam Fadus,
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