# Is Regime Change the Answer in Iran? | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

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In this in-depth interview, former Green Beret Mike Taylor shares his expert insights on the current geopolitical situation in the Middle East, focusing on Iran, Hezbollah, and U.S. strategies. We explore historical context, regime change tactics, and potential paths forward for peace and stability. Grab Vitamin 1 WATER HERE: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Vitamin+One+Water GhostBed ⬇️ https://www.ghostbed.com/team FOR 10% off! Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Subscribe to our newsletter!!!! https://teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join Jack's news outlet:⬇️ https://thehighside.substack.com/ Find Jon Hackett here:⬇️ Jon's Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Jon's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Jon's books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0C5L659N5?ccs_id=e11a2062-f8d3-498e-bfd7-7d2f3869caf6 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Check out Mick's new podcast here:⬇️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/pub-and-porch-applied-stoicism/id1836955475 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1k3QPmkAMwnGJxMLDwUSSd?si=n6piIu8XRcag1Z0K43A3bQ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCd0Hq6QFk8CoTu5j-VU0Ong Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Whitefish security summit ⬇️ https://whitefishsecuritysummit.com Find Marc P here: https://x.com/Mpolymer Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?u Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio 00:00 Start 01:12 Current Situation in Iran and the Middle East 02:55 Historical Context of U.S.-Iran Relations 10:25 Strategies for Regime Change in Iran 15:48 Political Dynamics and Military Strategy 19:15 The Role of Technology in Modern Warfare 25:52 Conclusion: The Future of U.S.-Iran Relations 26:25 The Impact of Protests and U.S. Response 28:43 The Role of Diplomacy and Military Expertise 30:25 Hezbollah's Influence and Regional Dynamics 32:35 The Complexity of Israeli-Palestinian Relations 35:46 The Need for Regime Change in Iran 39:41 Negotiating with Iran: Challenges and Realities 44:05 The Future of U.S.-Iran Relations and Regional Stability Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Look. In January, President Trump told the Iranian people take
[0:03] Speaker 1: to the streets. We got your back. Forty thousand people
[0:07] Speaker 1: that took the streets were murdered, slaughtered. Nobody had their back.
[0:11] Speaker 1: Nobody's talking about that. We need to have them overthrown.
[0:15] Speaker 1: There must be regime change. If there's no regime change,
[0:18] Speaker 1: we've lost the war.
[0:21] Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics.
[0:24] Speaker 2: I got a special guest today, Mike Taylor. You guys
[0:27] Speaker 2: might know him from a well, he's had a pretty
[0:30] Speaker 2: story career, right saying, We've had a great We had
[0:33] Speaker 2: a great podcast with him as well, maybe probably a
[0:36] Speaker 2: couple of years ago. Now talking about is crazy. Uh,
[0:42] Speaker 2: the Carlos Going affair of smuggling, Carlos going the former
[0:45] Speaker 2: Nissan Renault's executive out of Japan and you know, unfortunately
[0:50] Speaker 2: you getting kind of screwed over while Carlos going, is
[0:54] Speaker 2: you know, living the high life? Of course, Mike was
[0:57] Speaker 2: a former Green Beret. He's been around the block. He's
[1:01] Speaker 2: got a great incredible company as well, Vitamin one Water.
[1:05] Speaker 2: Check that out. I'll have a link in the description. Uh,
[1:08] Speaker 2: it's delicious, you guys. You guys are sponsible with us
[1:11] Speaker 2: for a for a while. Maybe we could figure that
[1:13] Speaker 2: out later too, but check that out. Mike's a great guy.
[1:16] Speaker 2: Ten out of ten, dude. I mean, you've been so
[1:19] Speaker 2: just a little bit of personal stuff. He's been so
[1:21] Speaker 2: helpful with like the team house and stuff, trying to
[1:23] Speaker 2: help us out with like sponsors or you know, try
[1:26] Speaker 2: to connect us with people. So I really I really
[1:28] Speaker 2: appreciate that, just a little personal So, Mike, how you
[1:33] Speaker 2: doing doing great? Cool?
[1:35] Speaker 1: Frustrating with what I'm saying happening with Iran.
[1:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So that's basically what we're gonna, like the
[1:41] Speaker 2: basic subject of what we're going to talk about today.
[1:43] Speaker 2: Just a little bit of an update. There's supposedly a
[1:46] Speaker 2: uh cease fire. I don't even know you can call
[1:49] Speaker 2: it a ceasfire. They've been also trying to deal and
[1:51] Speaker 2: make an extension to the ceasefire so they can open
[1:54] Speaker 2: the straight of horn moves and h start really deep
[1:58] Speaker 2: dive talking about enrichment uranium and rich they're enriched uranium
[2:02] Speaker 2: in that's already there. Iran kind of seems to be
[2:07] Speaker 2: tagging Lebanon and Hesbelah to the ceasefire as well. So
[2:13] Speaker 2: that's like a big sticking point. Obviously, Israel doesn't want that.
[2:16] Speaker 2: Supposedly there's a ceasefire struck with Israel and Leblon yesterday,
[2:20] Speaker 2: but they've been bombing Lebanon, and Hesbela has also been
[2:23] Speaker 2: firing back at Israel. It's kind of a mess, obviously,
[2:28] Speaker 2: and it has, like you know, we've been talking about
[2:29] Speaker 2: it for weeks, a ton of reverberations across the world.
[2:33] Speaker 2: I mean, you know, gas prices are not cheap food.
[2:36] Speaker 2: You know, inflation's up, and we're not even feeling it
[2:39] Speaker 2: as much as like the rest of the world is
[2:40] Speaker 2: probably feeling it. Also, Congress, I guess act acted a
[2:45] Speaker 2: little bit yesterday. The House passed the War Powers Resolution Act,
[2:49] Speaker 2: aimed at limiting future military action against Iran. That's going
[2:53] Speaker 2: to have to pass the Senate. I don't know if
[2:55] Speaker 2: it will and also go to President Trump's that's to sign.
[3:01] Speaker 2: I don't know if he's be willing to do that.
[3:03] Speaker 2: So yeah, Mike, just you know, you let me know.
[3:06] Speaker 2: I don't have a specific question. I know you have
[3:09] Speaker 2: a really unique insight into the Middle East and stuff
[3:12] Speaker 2: like that. So yeah, I'd love to hear where you're
[3:14] Speaker 2: at with this.
[3:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been fighting against these guys since nineteen eighty three.
[3:20] Speaker 1: You know, I was standing outside the American embassy April eighteenth,
[3:23] Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three, four minutes after one when they sent
[3:26] Speaker 1: the carbon me in and blew it up. You know,
[3:28] Speaker 1: we sixty three souls died that day, many Americans and
[3:32] Speaker 1: many local Lebanese as well. And then we had the
[3:35] Speaker 1: Marine Barracks October twenty third, nineteen eighty three. We lost
[3:38] Speaker 1: two hundred and forty one Americans there at the same
[3:40] Speaker 1: time they hit the French barracks, not as many, but
[3:43] Speaker 1: still lost life. These guys are out of control. There's
[3:45] Speaker 1: only one way to deal with them, you know. With
[3:49] Speaker 1: our present situation with Iran. You know, the IRGC is
[3:55] Speaker 1: now in control of the country of Iran, and they're
[3:59] Speaker 1: fighting for their existence. They're fighting for their lives because
[4:03] Speaker 1: if they get overthrown, they're finished. They'll all be murdered,
[4:06] Speaker 1: they'll all be tortured, and their lives will be over.
[4:10] Speaker 1: So they have a lot to fight for, a lot
[4:12] Speaker 1: of motivation, whereas it seems our administration is sitting back
[4:16] Speaker 1: beating their chest thinking there Johnny cool and no big deal.
[4:19] Speaker 1: We're talking about American lives here, you know, in the
[4:21] Speaker 1: military dealing with this, and the reality is their Indians
[4:26] Speaker 1: are winning right now. You can talk about ceasefires all day,
[4:28] Speaker 1: they're no ceasefire. Hows of the ceasefire when they're attacking
[4:31] Speaker 1: our military bases and attacking our allies. You know, they
[4:35] Speaker 1: pretty much shut down the economy of the United Arab
[4:37] Speaker 1: Emirates with their missile attacks, going back to the end
[4:41] Speaker 1: of February. I was there for that, and you know,
[4:45] Speaker 1: hotels are at less than one percent occupancy. People. All
[4:48] Speaker 1: the companies have to lay off like fifty percent of
[4:51] Speaker 1: their employees, some Mongolian numbers. The other ones have to
[4:54] Speaker 1: take forced days off, you know, so you're gonna work,
[4:57] Speaker 1: but you're gonna work, you know, ten days unpaid. It's
[5:00] Speaker 1: because the economy is destroyed. And they were never consulted
[5:02] Speaker 1: in the dance at all. They had no idea what
[5:05] Speaker 1: was going on. And that's not just the UAE, that's
[5:08] Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, that's Bahre and Qatar, Kawait. You know, they're
[5:12] Speaker 1: getting hammered and their economy is getting hammered much worse
[5:14] Speaker 1: than hours hours. We're paying for a higher gas prices,
[5:17] Speaker 1: a higher food prices and fertilizer and all that. That's
[5:20] Speaker 1: definitely increasing. And you know, the White House can say, oh,
[5:23] Speaker 1: well it's not and it's just short term pain. That's
[5:26] Speaker 1: a bunch of bullshit. This is hard pain for American citizens.
[5:29] Speaker 1: They don't have a lot of money. A lot of
[5:30] Speaker 1: people are blue collar workers and they live paycheck to paycheck.
[5:35] Speaker 1: Single mothers are trying to raise families. It's not easy.
[5:37] Speaker 1: But sitting back in a White House when you're fat,
[5:39] Speaker 1: dumb and happy, you know, talking about everything's gonna be fine.
[5:44] Speaker 1: I'm gonna work a ceasefire and I'm gonna work an agreement.
[5:47] Speaker 1: There is no agreement with their Ranians. I'm here to
[5:49] Speaker 1: tell you. I've studied them at Harvard. I've been on
[5:52] Speaker 1: the ground with them against them. I've talked to them,
[5:55] Speaker 1: fought against them. There's gonna be no agreement. They have
[5:58] Speaker 1: no honor, they have no integrity. Anything they agree to,
[6:02] Speaker 1: they won't adhere to it. It's a joke. And one
[6:05] Speaker 1: of the reasons that they're fighting so hard and want
[6:09] Speaker 1: to make Hasbala part of this part of the nexus
[6:12] Speaker 1: is because that's how they control the country of Lebanon.
[6:15] Speaker 1: Make no mistake about it. The Lebanese army does not
[6:18] Speaker 1: control the country of Lebanon. Hasbala controls Lebanon. No, if
[6:22] Speaker 1: Ann's butts about it, that's another proxy. That's definitely a
[6:26] Speaker 1: proxy for them. And people are saying, well, the Israelis,
[6:29] Speaker 1: you know, they invaded in nineteen eighty two for no reason. No,
[6:32] Speaker 1: it's because the Palestinians were there. Remember back at when
[6:36] Speaker 1: the Israel took over in forty eight or fifty whatever
[6:39] Speaker 1: it was, Israel took over Palestine declared to Israel. The
[6:43] Speaker 1: Palestinians all went to Jordan. King Hussein welcomed them with
[6:46] Speaker 1: open arms until the Palestinians tried to overthrow him and
[6:50] Speaker 1: kill him, so he kicked their asses, threw them out,
[6:52] Speaker 1: and they went to the refugee camps in Lebanon, in Syria,
[6:56] Speaker 1: and in Lebanon, they took over the city of Beirut.
[6:58] Speaker 1: And they're the ones that were fire and the missiles
[7:00] Speaker 1: into northern Israel from southern Lebanon. That's why Israel invaded
[7:04] Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two. So let's not forget the history.
[7:07] Speaker 1: So many people on social media and whatnot seem to
[7:10] Speaker 1: forget that history or not know it. And now since
[7:15] Speaker 1: we started this war with Iran, they've controlled the Straight
[7:19] Speaker 1: of Hermos, which they didn't before. And it's really interesting
[7:23] Speaker 1: since we crushed their navy, destroyed their air force and
[7:26] Speaker 1: their military blah blah blah blah blah and beating our chests,
[7:29] Speaker 1: how is it with no navy that they controlled the
[7:31] Speaker 1: straits or her Moos. I'm interested. Please please tell me that,
[7:35] Speaker 1: mister President, how's that happen? Or did you let them
[7:38] Speaker 1: do it? Oh? Like it in our blockade? It is
[7:40] Speaker 1: all the bullshit, Mike.
[7:42] Speaker 2: The interesting thing too, is about like you know, even
[7:44] Speaker 2: you know, I was young when we went into Iraq
[7:47] Speaker 2: or the build up into Iraq, and you know, there
[7:50] Speaker 2: was always that talk about like possibly going into Iran.
[7:53] Speaker 2: But the issue with Iran was they had they could
[7:55] Speaker 2: control and mind the Strait of Hermons. So it wasn't
[7:58] Speaker 2: like the straight U Hormus is like this new like
[8:02] Speaker 2: ace in the you know, a magic card that nobody
[8:05] Speaker 2: knew about, like everybody any analysts and people operators like
[8:08] Speaker 2: yourself who have worked there and been in the region. No, like,
[8:12] Speaker 2: that's a huge chalk point that Iran can use, right,
[8:16] Speaker 2: And we still went in there.
[8:18] Speaker 1: And it's been part of our doctrine to deal with that,
[8:21] Speaker 1: going back to the Cold War. So this is nothing
[8:24] Speaker 1: new at all. And they started playing games when President
[8:28] Speaker 1: Reagan was in there, and he just annihilated bunder of
[8:31] Speaker 1: Boss just one night. He just annihilated it, and they
[8:34] Speaker 1: backed off. That's the only thing they understand. Look in January,
[8:38] Speaker 1: President Trump told the Iranian people, take to the streets.
[8:42] Speaker 1: We got your back. Forty thousand people that took the
[8:45] Speaker 1: streets were murdered, slaughtered. Nobody had their back. Nobody's talking
[8:50] Speaker 1: about that. We need to have them overthrown. There must
[8:54] Speaker 1: be regime change. If there's no regime change, we've lost
[8:57] Speaker 1: the war and we're losing it today. You talk about
[9:00] Speaker 1: negotiating and the President says, oh, I'll take my time.
[9:04] Speaker 1: Well that's great, you take your time all you want, Chunky,
[9:07] Speaker 1: but you're hurting the American people. They control the streets
[9:10] Speaker 1: are her moves. Twenty percent of the world's oil is
[9:12] Speaker 1: stuck there. So you know, the bravado don't work with
[9:17] Speaker 1: the Iranians. There's only one thing that works with them,
[9:19] Speaker 1: and that's brute force. And again, you can talk about
[9:23] Speaker 1: all you want, you know, none of that matters. What
[9:26] Speaker 1: matters to them is what they have, what they can control,
[9:29] Speaker 1: and they're controlling the streets are her moves, and they're
[9:32] Speaker 1: not afraid. They're attacking. They attacked us yesterday, they attacked
[9:35] Speaker 1: their bases in Kuwait. So again all the bravado and
[9:40] Speaker 1: a big talk. This ain't Manhattan real estate where you
[9:42] Speaker 1: can talk trash and not have to back it up.
[9:44] Speaker 1: This is the real world. This is the varsity level.
[9:47] Speaker 1: You got to back it up. And it's better not
[9:49] Speaker 1: to talk trash. It's better just go do it, you know.
[9:52] Speaker 1: And then you listen to people like Ambassador Ryan Crocker.
[9:54] Speaker 1: He's just such a wealth of knowledge, so much experience
[9:58] Speaker 1: on the ground over there. Know you the same thing.
[10:01] Speaker 1: There's only one way to deal with that regime, and
[10:03] Speaker 1: that's to annihilate them. You got to get rid of
[10:05] Speaker 1: them and let the people take over. It'll be a
[10:07] Speaker 1: reverse of nineteen seventy nine when Iotola Homani came in.
[10:11] Speaker 1: All these radicals took over. They controlled our election, the
[10:14] Speaker 1: presidential election when Carter was the president and the Reagan
[10:18] Speaker 1: took over. They held those hostages in the American embassy
[10:21] Speaker 1: there until Reagan swore in right on. Yeah, yeah, once
[10:27] Speaker 1: he took the oath president, they released the hostages. That's
[10:29] Speaker 1: how they were manipulating the American presidential election. They don't care.
[10:34] Speaker 1: They'll play the big leagues. And again, there's only one way.
[10:38] Speaker 2: So what would your recommendation be to get it like,
[10:42] Speaker 2: you know, five hundred thousand American troops on the ground
[10:44] Speaker 2: in Iran?
[10:45] Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. Let this cut the CIA loose and
[10:48] Speaker 1: let them go, you know, give arms to the population,
[10:51] Speaker 1: set up some resistance. You know, this is a perfect
[10:53] Speaker 1: UW situation for SF people, for special forces, you know,
[10:58] Speaker 1: send them in there. You know, let's get the people
[11:00] Speaker 1: up and trained a little bit and let's attack. But
[11:04] Speaker 1: in the meantime, we got to hit them with all
[11:06] Speaker 1: of our air power and naval power. Open the straight
[11:08] Speaker 1: to Her moves, put some pressure on them. Iran has
[11:11] Speaker 1: no pressure right now. They're talking about economically. They don't
[11:14] Speaker 1: give a damn about their people in their economic situation
[11:17] Speaker 1: of the contry. They really don't. So there's no real
[11:20] Speaker 1: pressure on their Iranians and they feel like they're in,
[11:22] Speaker 1: you know, uh, in the best position because since the
[11:26] Speaker 1: war started, they've progressed. Now they control the straits or
[11:28] Speaker 1: Her moves.
[11:29] Speaker 2: Before they didn't, right, Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm I'm
[11:33] Speaker 2: of the I'm of the side of like we were
[11:36] Speaker 2: in a better negotiating position on February twenty seventh before
[11:39] Speaker 2: we started this the air campaign and stuff and wiped
[11:42] Speaker 2: out the old man Comanian stuff. I think frankly, even
[11:49] Speaker 2: if we were, I don't I'm not an expert, so
[11:50] Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, like how the UW would
[11:53] Speaker 2: work if we you know, arm the courage, let them
[11:55] Speaker 2: loose and in the populace like the more you know,
[11:58] Speaker 2: general Poppies that actually lives in a like proper and
[12:01] Speaker 2: on Tehran and stuff wherever the power centers are. I mean,
[12:04] Speaker 2: would that entail like let's say you arm the populace,
[12:08] Speaker 2: built up some resistance groups. Would that also entail like
[12:12] Speaker 2: air strikes, right, like working in conjunction with like air
[12:17] Speaker 2: strikes as well? Because they would It sounds like a
[12:19] Speaker 2: huge undertaking. Even forget the three hundred or five hundred
[12:23] Speaker 2: thousand American troops, just like just aw resistance inside of
[12:27] Speaker 2: Iran that is coordinated with airstrikes.
[12:29] Speaker 1: We don't need hundreds of thousand Zeros troops on the ground.
[12:32] Speaker 1: We only need some SF teams to infiltrate and be
[12:35] Speaker 1: able to train this system, mise the local resistance, create
[12:39] Speaker 1: the local resistance, get them armed, beef them up a
[12:42] Speaker 1: little bit, give them some confidence targets, and let them
[12:45] Speaker 1: continue on. Then they can start protesting, and when they're
[12:47] Speaker 1: getting shot at, they can return fire. Then you have
[12:51] Speaker 1: a regime change in the making. That's how it works.
[12:54] Speaker 1: It's not complicated. We've done it many times, and the
[12:58] Speaker 1: CIA is very good, best on earth at doing this stuff.
[13:02] Speaker 1: Why they're not doing it, that's all coming from the
[13:05] Speaker 1: White House.
[13:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand it, Frankly. I don't see like
[13:10] Speaker 2: any there was any like real strategic thought into going
[13:15] Speaker 2: and bombing Iran, frankly. And I'm also the thought that
[13:18] Speaker 2: like it was, you know, we kind of were a
[13:20] Speaker 2: little bit, not a little bit, we were dog walked
[13:22] Speaker 2: by Israel into it as well because it benefits them.
[13:26] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how you feel about that,
[13:28] Speaker 2: but like, look, I think I think I think we
[13:32] Speaker 2: could have been in a better place to plant diplomatically.
[13:35] Speaker 2: That's why I didn't.
[13:36] Speaker 1: Who sell Trump? Sure, he butters them up and tells
[13:39] Speaker 1: them how great he is. He's the smartest guy on earth. Blah.
[13:42] Speaker 1: Blah blah. Trump loves that stuff. Let's be honest, that's
[13:45] Speaker 1: just a reality. But I'm all for regime change, always
[13:49] Speaker 1: have been, because without regime change, you're not gonna have
[13:52] Speaker 1: a country of Lebanon with the sovereignty. You're not gonna
[13:55] Speaker 1: have Syria. You're gonna still have problems because they they
[13:59] Speaker 1: you know, essentially, you know, control Syria. And the same
[14:01] Speaker 1: with Iraq. When you got Norm Malachi as the Prime
[14:04] Speaker 1: Minister of Iraq, who's a Shii. He's very close tied
[14:08] Speaker 1: to the IRGC and the Iranian leadership, so you know,
[14:12] Speaker 1: essentially they have the trifecta there. They've got Iran, They've
[14:16] Speaker 1: got Iraq, they got Syria, and they got Lebanon. They
[14:18] Speaker 1: control it. In addition, they also control the Houtis and Yemen.
[14:23] Speaker 1: So yeah, you got to get rid of the regime.
[14:25] Speaker 1: I'm all for getting ready to the regen. Talk to anybody,
[14:28] Speaker 1: Talk to the ambassador Ryan Crocker's. Talk to real professional diplomats,
[14:32] Speaker 1: not real estate guys and son in laws who get
[14:36] Speaker 1: thrown into this position. Talk to real pros with real
[14:39] Speaker 1: depths of knowledge. They'll all tell you the same thing.
[14:42] Speaker 1: If you don't have regime change. You lost the war.
[14:45] Speaker 1: Regardless that Netanyahu convince us or not. I'm all for
[14:49] Speaker 1: regime change. We should have been doing this a long
[14:51] Speaker 1: time ago. I don't know why they did it, but
[14:52] Speaker 1: they did it. So Trump did a good thing in
[14:55] Speaker 1: that regard. But you can't start and then stop and
[14:58] Speaker 1: beat your chest and think that you're scaring anybody, because
[15:01] Speaker 1: your little your little tweets on social media don't scare anybody.
[15:04] Speaker 1: These are their radians. There's one way to deal with them,
[15:07] Speaker 1: and only one way would deal with them. And professional
[15:10] Speaker 1: diplomats and foreign service officers will tell you the same thing.
[15:15] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the tricky part is, uh. I mean
[15:18] Speaker 2: Trump kind of operates in a different level, like in
[15:21] Speaker 2: terms of like a normal politician, where like political capital
[15:24] Speaker 2: means a lot to most politicians, for him, he can
[15:27] Speaker 2: he can kind of burn it until he doesn't care.
[15:29] Speaker 2: He doesn't really have that kind of like pressure. I
[15:34] Speaker 2: mean they will feel the pressure obviously with the midterms.
[15:36] Speaker 2: So I think the little bit of political pressure he
[15:39] Speaker 2: is feeling is it's gonna make it hard. I think
[15:45] Speaker 2: for like a covert program where you send that SEF
[15:48] Speaker 2: and see you know, ground rands, CIA guys and to
[15:51] Speaker 2: like stir up the resistance, similar to what we did
[15:53] Speaker 2: in Afghanistan right right after nine to eleven, and we
[15:57] Speaker 2: did it in Iraq too. We're definitely good at it.
[16:00] Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know how that's going to
[16:02] Speaker 2: play though politically, That's what I mean, even though he
[16:05] Speaker 2: is more taplon than like most politicians are.
[16:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, and again it goes back to what are the
[16:12] Speaker 1: fundamental aspects here? Number one, we're losing the war we
[16:16] Speaker 1: started it, We're losing it. We pissed off all of
[16:18] Speaker 1: our allies throughout the Europe and throughout the Gulf coast countries.
[16:22] Speaker 1: They're all not happy with us because we just essentially
[16:25] Speaker 1: destroyed their economies and didn't have any coalition or give
[16:29] Speaker 1: them a heads up prior to attacking Iran. In addition
[16:32] Speaker 1: to that, this isn't long term things we're talking about here.
[16:35] Speaker 1: Get some weapons into the people, let them have their
[16:38] Speaker 1: own resistance. It doesn't have to be the courage.
[16:40] Speaker 3: No.
[16:41] Speaker 1: Moeranian people do not want this. They do not want
[16:43] Speaker 1: the Iotola or the IRGC in charge. Give them some weapons,
[16:48] Speaker 1: show them which end of the gun the bullet comes
[16:50] Speaker 1: out of, and cut them loose. This isn't really complicated.
[16:53] Speaker 1: We'll let them go because the IRGC doesn't have that
[16:56] Speaker 1: kind of control before because a lot of their their
[16:59] Speaker 1: their political hierarchy. He's been destroyed. Yeah, so there's a
[17:03] Speaker 1: power struggle inside right now. These are prime opportunities for
[17:08] Speaker 1: an overthrow of that government.
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[18:54] Speaker 2: mean listen, I'm not I don't know, so I'm not
[18:58] Speaker 2: a preferred I can't really say. You know, it does
[19:00] Speaker 2: make sense that like if we're gonna start what we've
[19:02] Speaker 2: done for the last you know, before the ceasefire quote unquote,
[19:06] Speaker 2: where we were bombing them pretty consistently, Like if you're
[19:10] Speaker 2: gonna go do that, go kind of go. You should
[19:14] Speaker 2: go all in, right, you can't be half pregnant, right,
[19:16] Speaker 2: like whether you need to arm the Kurds do it
[19:19] Speaker 2: or arm the actual populace inside of Iran. I would
[19:22] Speaker 2: have thought that this would have been the plan from
[19:24] Speaker 2: the get go, right, and maybe there was a plan always,
[19:27] Speaker 2: but like you know, the Trump administration obviously you know,
[19:30] Speaker 2: they decided to go into Iran and like with five
[19:32] Speaker 2: guys in a board room basically and like like let's
[19:35] Speaker 2: do it. Let's start attacking without really like what comes next,
[19:40] Speaker 2: you know, when you wipe out their entire entire like
[19:44] Speaker 2: power structure, like the Iatolia and the other forty people
[19:47] Speaker 2: they killed the day one. Yeah, you're you're asking for chaos, right,
[19:52] Speaker 2: you're selling chaos really and it was kind of like
[19:55] Speaker 2: a half pregnant idea. John Hacker, one of our hosts,
[19:58] Speaker 2: like he was talking about like how you know Iran
[20:01] Speaker 2: doesn't have internet. It hasn't had internet for like, you know,
[20:05] Speaker 2: since the war started or since the protests started. There
[20:09] Speaker 2: are ways for the US to like give give the
[20:12] Speaker 2: Iranians internet to at least get the information space back
[20:15] Speaker 2: on their sides. Spread some you know, do some sy ops,
[20:19] Speaker 2: spread some propaganda, right, try to get the actual citizenry
[20:23] Speaker 2: to like start revolting and resisting like they were doing
[20:26] Speaker 2: in January. And like some of those like smart moves
[20:32] Speaker 2: or not even smart moves, just moves. That makes sense
[20:34] Speaker 2: if you explain it to anybody. Have weren't taken, weren't
[20:38] Speaker 2: even like broached. It was just like we're gonna do
[20:40] Speaker 2: air strikes. You're gonna see some cool videos, and we're
[20:44] Speaker 2: gonna declare victory. Like there was no plan here whatsoever.
[20:48] Speaker 1: Right, And what happened the Voice of America that came out,
[20:52] Speaker 1: you know, the World War two days and that was
[20:55] Speaker 1: that's phenomenal. That worked everywhere. But yeah, with USAID and
[20:58] Speaker 1: everything else, again, this would be a opportunity to use it.
[21:03] Speaker 1: And you know, again I don't understand why the President
[21:06] Speaker 1: doesn't get his buddy Elon. Remember he had the chainsaw
[21:09] Speaker 1: cutting jobs, federal jobs. Yeah, him, Why don't they put
[21:12] Speaker 1: some of his low flying, low orbiting satellites over there
[21:15] Speaker 1: so they can have internet. So the reality, the reality
[21:20] Speaker 1: is here. Iran is kicking our ass right now. They
[21:23] Speaker 1: are in the driver's seat. They don't need to negotiate.
[21:27] Speaker 1: They got all the pressure pressure in the world put
[21:29] Speaker 1: on Trump, not on them. They don't give a damn
[21:31] Speaker 1: about November elections. They don't give a damn about Trump
[21:34] Speaker 1: or his or his corrupt family or any of that stuff.
[21:37] Speaker 1: They don't care. They're surviving. They want to live. They're
[21:41] Speaker 1: fighting with a lot of motivation because if they die,
[21:44] Speaker 1: they're finished. If they get kicked out of power, they're finished.
[21:47] Speaker 1: They're going to be eaten alive. Because it was just
[21:49] Speaker 1: in January where they killed forty thousand innocent people who
[21:52] Speaker 1: were on the streets protesting. That's a lot those people
[21:56] Speaker 1: in Iran, THEI are Indian citizens, are very aware of
[21:59] Speaker 1: all this. They would love to, you know, be able
[22:01] Speaker 1: to take over.
[22:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, it's I remember. There was a report also,
[22:08] Speaker 2: like they asked Evon and Starlink, they gave them a
[22:11] Speaker 2: price for what it would look like for Starlink to
[22:14] Speaker 2: get put over a rant and and and give people
[22:18] Speaker 2: most people internet to be able to just access the
[22:20] Speaker 2: fucking they have no Internet, Like it's wild. It was
[22:23] Speaker 2: gonna cost I think one hundred million up front plus
[22:26] Speaker 2: five hundred million over the course of the of the
[22:29] Speaker 2: prop you know, the program, And the d O D
[22:33] Speaker 2: said no, Meanwhile, we're like losing jets that are six
[22:37] Speaker 2: hundred million doll like to eat three century and stuff,
[22:39] Speaker 2: or losing hardware that's you know, multiples of that price.
[22:44] Speaker 2: And uh, you would think you just would think there
[22:47] Speaker 2: would be a full spectrum strategy to this, and there
[22:50] Speaker 2: wasn't at all.
[22:52] Speaker 1: And honestly thought it was Venezuela again, right.
[22:56] Speaker 2: Even if I know that's the crazy thing because venezuel
[23:00] Speaker 2: was like a totally different op right, it's jaysok in
[23:02] Speaker 2: and out in a few hours. This is not that
[23:05] Speaker 2: at all, like not even close. So I don't know,
[23:09] Speaker 2: I think I don't I guess I'm giving him a
[23:11] Speaker 2: little bit too much credit. Trump, But like you would
[23:14] Speaker 2: think he could see the difference between that. You don't
[23:16] Speaker 2: have to be like a military strategist to see the differences,
[23:19] Speaker 2: but you.
[23:20] Speaker 1: Got to understand the military. I don't think he understands
[23:23] Speaker 1: anything about the military. Remember this is a guy after
[23:26] Speaker 1: Venezuela and it was talking to eighty second Airborne Division troops.
[23:29] Speaker 1: Tell him, I know you guys love me because your
[23:31] Speaker 1: four one k's are doing so good. Yeah, soldiers don't
[23:35] Speaker 1: have four one k's. Yeah, So I don't think he
[23:39] Speaker 1: knows the difference between Venezuela and Iran operations.
[23:42] Speaker 2: Frankly, yeah, that's that to me, that's scarier. Not even
[23:45] Speaker 2: anyone in there to be like, hey, okay, Venezuela was great,
[23:48] Speaker 2: like that op was amazing and like the jaysuck boys
[23:52] Speaker 2: did what they do when they did it almost flawlessly.
[23:55] Speaker 2: This is not an operation in the middle of the night,
[23:58] Speaker 2: in and out like this is sustained combat operations or
[24:03] Speaker 2: air operations to what end. I don't know, Like frank.
[24:07] Speaker 1: B, Well, this is big boy, big boy war, and
[24:10] Speaker 1: big boy war is you're gonna have a plan. You
[24:12] Speaker 1: gotta have a plan for everything, a plan for entering
[24:14] Speaker 1: and a plan for exiting. Perhaps what they should have
[24:17] Speaker 1: done is look at the exit plan first. That's how
[24:19] Speaker 1: we do it in special ops all the time. How
[24:21] Speaker 1: do we get out? Sometimes there is no way out,
[24:24] Speaker 1: so we don't plan for it. Maybe we're going to
[24:26] Speaker 1: walk out, but whatever, we got to get in and
[24:28] Speaker 1: get the mission done. But the reverse planning is critical,
[24:32] Speaker 1: especially in a time like this. But you know, additionally,
[24:36] Speaker 1: again it goes back to if you don't get rid
[24:39] Speaker 1: of the regime, they're going to stay in power. You
[24:42] Speaker 1: didn't get rid of their fusion. They controlled the straight
[24:47] Speaker 1: up hermus who's winning this? You said you weren't going
[24:50] Speaker 1: to give them a newke. You didn't care about individual
[24:53] Speaker 1: American's financial status and how things are costing and the
[24:58] Speaker 1: escalation of all prices and inflation, and you don't care
[25:02] Speaker 1: about any of that, But you just care you don't
[25:04] Speaker 1: want Iran to have a nuke. Well, if you really
[25:08] Speaker 1: don't want them to have a nuke, why do they
[25:10] Speaker 1: still have their their fusion and why they are doue
[25:14] Speaker 1: fusion and their material and why do they now control
[25:17] Speaker 1: the straits of her moves twenty percent of the world's oil.
[25:20] Speaker 1: We're losing, we're getting hammered. And again, you know, beating
[25:25] Speaker 1: your chests on social media doesn't do jack to help
[25:27] Speaker 1: the American people, to help our allies or you know,
[25:31] Speaker 1: win the war over there. If we don't get rid
[25:33] Speaker 1: of the regime. They're going to win. They'll keep Lebanon,
[25:36] Speaker 1: they'll keep Syria, they'll keep Iraq. And anybody thinks that
[25:39] Speaker 1: they don't control Iraq still buying tickets on pan.
[25:43] Speaker 2: Am, Right, Yeah, I mean, you know Iraq is predominantly Shia. Right,
[25:48] Speaker 2: we got rid of Saddam and there was a huge
[25:50] Speaker 2: vacuum there that you had also thought the analysts and
[25:53] Speaker 2: they probably they probably were analysts that are like, if
[25:56] Speaker 2: they we do this, it's going to break out in
[25:58] Speaker 2: civil war and is gonna have a bigger hole than
[26:01] Speaker 2: like they you know, the powers that be didn't listen.
[26:05] Speaker 2: You know, we broke Iraq and that seems to have helped.
[26:09] Speaker 2: You know, Iran filled that vacuum happily.
[26:14] Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times we were expressly
[26:17] Speaker 1: in our opinion, do not disband their Iraqi Army. Do
[26:21] Speaker 1: not disband the Iraqi Army. And you got academia like Bremer,
[26:25] Speaker 1: Paul Bremer arguing against us. It's like, come on, guys,
[26:30] Speaker 1: you know what's going to happen. They've got to feed
[26:32] Speaker 1: their families. If you disband them, they're not getting paid.
[26:35] Speaker 1: What are they going to do? Go to their Irdians
[26:37] Speaker 1: Iranians will pay them and they'll be working against American soldiers.
[26:40] Speaker 1: We lost a lot of American soldiers because we disbanded
[26:43] Speaker 1: the Iraqi army when we knew better.
[26:46] Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah. Everyone said like that was the
[26:50] Speaker 2: big that was the that was the turning point. I mean,
[26:55] Speaker 2: you can make a case that was a turning point
[26:57] Speaker 2: for the entire region. Frankly, of course, you know, because
[27:01] Speaker 2: you know.
[27:02] Speaker 1: It looks Yeah, and historically the conventional war between Iran
[27:06] Speaker 1: and Iraq, you know, people were saying, you know, that
[27:08] Speaker 1: went for eight years. These people are tough. No, it
[27:11] Speaker 1: went for eight years because they don't know how to shoot,
[27:13] Speaker 1: move and communicate. That's what happened. Nobody could win as
[27:16] Speaker 1: a stalemate. They just throw human waves of bodies at
[27:19] Speaker 1: each other and getting them killed. We've seen all their
[27:22] Speaker 1: helmets or a lot of their helmets at Saddam's parade
[27:25] Speaker 1: ground with the cross swords. They're fighting eight years because
[27:29] Speaker 1: they don't know how to fight. Now this war that
[27:32] Speaker 1: we're in right now, And make no mistake, there's no ceasefire.
[27:35] Speaker 1: How does it a cease fire when they just fired
[27:37] Speaker 1: up missiles at are at our military base. How's it
[27:40] Speaker 1: a cease fire. You could say it's a ceasefire in Washington.
[27:43] Speaker 1: Take your fat ass over the air and get hit
[27:44] Speaker 1: by a missile and see how much of a ceasefire
[27:46] Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, you know, let some bullets and some
[27:49] Speaker 1: fragments come whip them by your head.
[27:50] Speaker 4: You see if you think it's still a ceasefire, Mike,
[27:54] Speaker 4: in your professional opinion, you really think if we were
[27:56] Speaker 4: pushing the UW see, let's CIA SF lows, we would
[28:03] Speaker 4: be able to make regime change.
[28:05] Speaker 1: You think absolutely absolutely. Look, you had forty thousand people
[28:08] Speaker 1: take to the streets without weapons. They were butter knives.
[28:11] Speaker 1: That's how motivated those people are. The population, they're motivated.
[28:17] Speaker 1: It's eighty percent of the population wants the twenty percent
[28:20] Speaker 1: of the population out. Unfortunately, the twenty percent of the
[28:23] Speaker 1: population is IRGC and the ruling government.
[28:27] Speaker 2: They have the guns.
[28:28] Speaker 1: Eighty percent want them out. They gave their life, over
[28:31] Speaker 1: forty thousand of them. Some estimates up to the highest sixty
[28:34] Speaker 1: thousand people who are protesting in the streets because Trump
[28:37] Speaker 1: said I got your back, So yeah, I absolutely do
[28:42] Speaker 1: believe that you give them the weapons and a little
[28:44] Speaker 1: bit of knowledge, absolutely they'll take to the streets again.
[28:47] Speaker 2: In your opinion, from the day from January when they
[28:50] Speaker 2: were protesting and getting killed by the r RGC and
[28:53] Speaker 2: when Trump went out and said, you know, we got
[28:55] Speaker 2: your back. Why did it take you know, almost two months,
[28:59] Speaker 2: seventy eight weeks, six to eight weeks for us to
[29:02] Speaker 2: actually do something because.
[29:04] Speaker 1: He doesn't care, he's not well advised, he has no
[29:09] Speaker 1: real expertise around him. Again, where are the professional diplomats,
[29:14] Speaker 1: Where are the generals with real knowledge? Where's our subject
[29:19] Speaker 1: matter experts.
[29:20] Speaker 2: On the out fire? They got the whole NSC and
[29:23] Speaker 2: the National Security Council is like, basically, you know, no
[29:26] Speaker 2: one's there anymore.
[29:27] Speaker 1: Who's the wing not now in charge of national Intelligence?
[29:31] Speaker 2: I don't know. I got Pulty, I don't know what
[29:34] Speaker 2: really where did.
[29:35] Speaker 1: He come from? But again, that's what happens when you
[29:38] Speaker 1: don't have real season professionals around you. Go. Try going
[29:42] Speaker 1: to go into Venezuela with the you know, a group
[29:44] Speaker 1: of real estate investors and see how well you do
[29:48] Speaker 1: with that. No, you're sending special forces to take care
[29:50] Speaker 1: of business? Why, because they're pros at it, they're the
[29:53] Speaker 1: best on there. You don't send in knuckleheads. You sending knuckleheads.
[29:56] Speaker 1: You're gonna have knucklehead problems. Guess what all of our
[29:59] Speaker 1: diplomat that he's sending over there, the crucial diplomatical knuckleheads,
[30:03] Speaker 1: They got no experience. The only one that's with the
[30:05] Speaker 1: brain and it's got some real experience is Marco Rubio.
[30:08] Speaker 1: But again, these guys all got to kiss the ring
[30:10] Speaker 1: of the dictator down there. We're saying, we don't have
[30:13] Speaker 1: money to do operations, but we need a billion dollars
[30:16] Speaker 1: for a ballroom. Come on, the whole thing is just
[30:19] Speaker 1: piss poor manage. It's pathetic.
[30:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't disagree. I mean, I don't know if
[30:25] Speaker 2: I'm down for like a full on. I mean, I'm
[30:29] Speaker 2: always down for a little bit of covert ops. I'm
[30:31] Speaker 2: frankly surprised that the CIA wasn't trying, like over the
[30:35] Speaker 2: last thirty or forty years, hasn't had like a program
[30:38] Speaker 2: to arm resistance in Iran. Frankly, like even if it
[30:45] Speaker 2: was small, right, like not like but some kind of
[30:47] Speaker 2: like actual network there that they, you know, had been
[30:51] Speaker 2: arming people in Iran for the last few decades just
[30:55] Speaker 2: in case, like you know, all these you know, two
[30:58] Speaker 2: thousand and nine, they had a big protein, a big
[31:00] Speaker 2: uprising too, and stuff like that. That surprises me a
[31:05] Speaker 2: little bit. I know, they probably would take a lot
[31:07] Speaker 2: of bandwidth. And we had the global War on Terror
[31:09] Speaker 2: and all that stuff, and you know, we were really
[31:11] Speaker 2: focusing on other things. But again, like, yeah, I don't
[31:16] Speaker 2: It's interesting because if it was such a huge problem
[31:20] Speaker 2: for us or worry for us, you would think we'd
[31:23] Speaker 2: be more prepared.
[31:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, there are plans and players, there's no
[31:27] Speaker 1: doubt about it. Sure, you know, to run resistance groups,
[31:30] Speaker 1: no doubt about that whatsoever. However, it's got to come
[31:33] Speaker 1: from the top and it hasn't come from the top
[31:35] Speaker 1: since President Reagan. And you know, historically since nineteen eighty three,
[31:41] Speaker 1: the Iranians keep getting stronger through their proxies. The country
[31:46] Speaker 1: of Lebanon is governed and run in control by Hesbala.
[31:50] Speaker 1: Hesbala could take it over anytime they want, not as
[31:52] Speaker 1: much right now, just speak thanks to the Israelis. You know,
[31:57] Speaker 1: people could say whatever they want about Israel, but it
[31:59] Speaker 1: wasn't for Israel, Hasbala would still be in charge there
[32:01] Speaker 1: one hundred percent. But even today Hasbala still firing rockets
[32:04] Speaker 1: into northern Israel. What does that tell you, I tell
[32:07] Speaker 1: you that there's a lot of support from Iran. There
[32:10] Speaker 1: a lot of support, and the same thing goes for Syria.
[32:13] Speaker 1: They were sending missiles and all their logistical supplies through
[32:16] Speaker 1: Syria into Lebanon and nobody's going to say a word.
[32:20] Speaker 1: Lebanese Army can't say a word. You know, you have
[32:22] Speaker 1: all these Lebanese politicians there talking about this, that and
[32:25] Speaker 1: the other. All they're doing is ripping the country off.
[32:27] Speaker 2: So why doesn't the Lebanese army do anything? What in
[32:30] Speaker 2: your opinion, why isn't the Lebanese army doing anything?
[32:34] Speaker 1: They don't have the ability to do it. Remember, back
[32:37] Speaker 1: in the early eighties, nineteen eighty two, eighty three, we
[32:39] Speaker 1: went over there, started training the Lebanese Army. They were
[32:42] Speaker 1: broken up into factions. You had the Drews, you had
[32:44] Speaker 1: the Maronites, you had the Sheites, and then we were
[32:49] Speaker 1: supplying them with all kinds of brand new one one threes,
[32:52] Speaker 1: armored personnel carriers on the weapons, on the uniforms, training
[32:55] Speaker 1: them up, teaching them urban combat, teaching them shoot, move
[32:58] Speaker 1: and communicate, combined arms tactics. And then the political aspect
[33:05] Speaker 1: hit again and they all took their weapons and went home.
[33:08] Speaker 1: Christians went to their place, Drews went to their place,
[33:12] Speaker 1: Sunnis went to their place. Shiites went to their place.
[33:14] Speaker 1: They took their weapons from their army and the tanks
[33:16] Speaker 1: and everything. It went home. So it split up who's
[33:20] Speaker 1: in control door that time has Bala Hasbala was growing.
[33:23] Speaker 1: He started in nineteen eighty three. They started growing, and
[33:26] Speaker 1: I ran with feeding them, feeding them, fitting feed them.
[33:28] Speaker 1: They came from the vacuum of the Palestinians getting kicked
[33:31] Speaker 1: out by the Israelis. Now you have a whole bunch
[33:33] Speaker 1: of Lebanese citizens here in their teens in the early
[33:36] Speaker 1: twenties that have no job, no education. What are they
[33:38] Speaker 1: going to do? Perfect grounds for Iran to come in
[33:42] Speaker 1: and start this this group called Husboba.
[33:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I don't know. I don't know what the
[33:50] Speaker 2: because frankly, i'm the I'm of the side of like Israel. Frankly,
[33:53] Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest. Israel is the weight they'd been
[33:58] Speaker 2: purporting themselves over the line last few years, and frankly
[34:01] Speaker 2: over the last twenty years, I think has inflamed tensions
[34:06] Speaker 2: in the Middle East. I mean, no way, trying to
[34:10] Speaker 2: defend Hesbela or Hermas or any of the terrorist groups.
[34:13] Speaker 2: I think Israel should do what Israel is really good
[34:16] Speaker 2: at and and smoke the guys they need to smoke strategically.
[34:20] Speaker 2: More covert action is what I always vote for rather
[34:23] Speaker 2: than overt stuff because again I'm gonna say that, especially
[34:30] Speaker 2: in the eyes of an American citizen, I'm not Israel
[34:34] Speaker 2: is not looking great. You know, they're they're they're going
[34:39] Speaker 2: about it in the wrong in the wrong way, I think.
[34:42] Speaker 2: And I think they should exist and be secure and uh,
[34:46] Speaker 2: you know, have their own country, just like I think
[34:48] Speaker 2: the Palestinian should too, right, But just the way they've
[34:52] Speaker 2: been going has has really hurt them in terms of
[34:57] Speaker 2: popular opinion there. I don't think there is much, especially
[34:59] Speaker 2: in my Erica. Forget about the rest of the world.
[35:02] Speaker 2: The rest of the world is no not huge fans
[35:04] Speaker 2: of Israel either. I think there are better ways to
[35:08] Speaker 2: go about it, right, like instead, like you mentioned, like
[35:10] Speaker 2: you know, a more tailored way for a RAN, right
[35:14] Speaker 2: u W. Let CIA and SF go in there and
[35:18] Speaker 2: train up people, arm them and try to be as
[35:22] Speaker 2: asymmetric as you can, are unconventional as you can. I
[35:25] Speaker 2: think Israel can learn from that and be able to
[35:28] Speaker 2: keep themselves secure while also not having the civilian casualties
[35:35] Speaker 2: that they are racking up.
[35:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, it was. It was definitely, in my opinion, genocide.
[35:40] Speaker 1: What happen in Godlin. There's so many people there and
[35:43] Speaker 1: children's just heartbreaking, heartbreaking to see that and the world
[35:48] Speaker 1: stand by and watch, including Biden. You know, he could
[35:51] Speaker 1: have put his foot down if he was awake. I
[35:54] Speaker 1: don't know, but yeah, it's horrible. It's horrible, and the
[35:57] Speaker 1: world should never have to see that in those poor people,
[36:00] Speaker 1: those poor Palestinian people. Look, I'm not talking about Hamas. Hamas.
[36:03] Speaker 1: I'm all for hanging them up, gutting them like deer.
[36:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay with that too, you know.
[36:08] Speaker 1: For that, but not these innocent kids and women and elderly.
[36:11] Speaker 1: There's no reason for that anyways. It's that doesn't solve
[36:15] Speaker 1: our problem today. Hasbalah, for example, they intermingle themselves with
[36:20] Speaker 1: the population, They hide, they'll really even run to the
[36:22] Speaker 1: Christian areas, hide there, and you'll have little bits of
[36:26] Speaker 1: real pockets of resistance that will fire a couple of
[36:29] Speaker 1: missiles into Israel. But a lot of the Hasbala guys
[36:32] Speaker 1: are very h the morale has been broken, especially after
[36:36] Speaker 1: Hassan Nosraala was killed a lot of them. Morale was
[36:39] Speaker 1: broken and they lost a lot of people. But again,
[36:42] Speaker 1: where these guys are gonna go. They've got nowhere to go.
[36:45] Speaker 1: They have no education, no food, you know, no way
[36:48] Speaker 1: to earn money. There's no economy there you get. Elebanon
[36:51] Speaker 1: is one of the most literate countries on Earth. They
[36:53] Speaker 1: grew up, you know, since the age of two or three, reading, writing,
[36:58] Speaker 1: and speaking three languages friends Arabic and English and fluently.
[37:02] Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's amazing. People don't realize the
[37:05] Speaker 1: literacy rate. Their schools are phenomenal. When they graduate high
[37:09] Speaker 1: school there, come to the American colleges, it's a joke
[37:12] Speaker 1: for them because they're just so well educated. But they
[37:17] Speaker 1: have no they have no future. There you get some
[37:19] Speaker 1: of the best educated people on earth, but they have
[37:21] Speaker 1: no future. They have no opportunity. Why because I ran
[37:25] Speaker 1: and Husbudla. That's why. It's that simple.
[37:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I don't know, I don't know what the
[37:31] Speaker 2: fix is, frankly.
[37:33] Speaker 1: But again, you go back, you cut cut the umbilical cord.
[37:36] Speaker 1: We got to get rid of their Iranian regime, get
[37:38] Speaker 1: rid of the Iranian regime. The tentacles from the umbilical
[37:41] Speaker 1: cord dry up and die. There's no other way. I'm
[37:46] Speaker 1: telling you, there's no other way. I challenge anybody to
[37:49] Speaker 1: find another way to get rid of those proxy organizations.
[37:53] Speaker 1: And let me tell you what as Bala's no joke.
[37:55] Speaker 1: They had a modern mugnay On there. He started as
[37:58] Speaker 1: a young teenager because he was one of the bodyguards
[38:01] Speaker 1: for Arafat way back when and when the Palestinians got
[38:07] Speaker 1: kicked out by the Israelis and General Alexander Haig was there.
[38:11] Speaker 1: He was doing the shuttle diplomacy back and forth. There
[38:14] Speaker 1: was a big vacuum, and those Lebanese citizens that were
[38:17] Speaker 1: working with the Palestinians now had to do something else.
[38:20] Speaker 1: And I Tooldahomani did a perfect, perfect job of getting
[38:25] Speaker 1: in there, getting them motivated, paying them some money, taking
[38:29] Speaker 1: care of their families, and then they had a real proxy.
[38:32] Speaker 1: They were so strong. Within twenty four hours they declared
[38:35] Speaker 1: an operation in Buenos Aires and they blew up some
[38:37] Speaker 1: targets in Buenos Aires. That's how strong they were in
[38:40] Speaker 1: their reach. They also controlled a lot of people and
[38:43] Speaker 1: a lot of things by kidnapping foreigners, especially Americans. So
[38:48] Speaker 1: you know, they're no joke. They're no joke. And the
[38:50] Speaker 1: only way to get rid of all them and houtis
[38:53] Speaker 1: is get rid of the regime in Iran. And you know,
[38:56] Speaker 1: I would love to get somebody like Ambassador Ryan Crocker.
[39:00] Speaker 1: You know, listen to him. I'm telling you, he's going
[39:02] Speaker 1: to tell you the same thing. If that doesn't happen,
[39:04] Speaker 1: there's not going to be any change right now. We're
[39:06] Speaker 1: losing the war, were losing the war. We're in a
[39:09] Speaker 1: worse position today and our allies are also then before
[39:12] Speaker 1: we started this war.
[39:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no question about that. We've strategically lost this war.
[39:18] Speaker 2: That's why they always say in like price conferences, they say, like,
[39:21] Speaker 2: militarily we've won. It's like, okay, yeah, you blew up
[39:24] Speaker 2: a certain amount of things and killed a certain amount
[39:26] Speaker 2: of people. You checked a couple of boxes. But strategically,
[39:29] Speaker 2: where are we were worse offt than we were February
[39:33] Speaker 2: Before February twenty eighth, you know, before we sat and.
[39:36] Speaker 1: Challenge that they say militarily we won. If militarily we
[39:40] Speaker 1: destroyed their navy, how they're controlled in the strait of
[39:42] Speaker 1: her moves.
[39:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean and plus frankly, like the Iranian
[39:47] Speaker 2: Navy wasn't exactly something to be so scared about it.
[39:50] Speaker 2: You go there, you drop a couple of minds, and
[39:52] Speaker 2: the insurance strong military.
[39:54] Speaker 1: We're the strongest military ever known to mankind, and it's
[39:57] Speaker 1: not being used properly because they don't have the expertise.
[40:00] Speaker 1: They're incompetent.
[40:04] Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, we'll see what happens. Obviously, this is
[40:06] Speaker 2: still gonna be cooking. I saw a couple of interesting
[40:10] Speaker 2: things too, Like I think Cutter said, Qatar said that
[40:15] Speaker 2: or not. Kuwait said that even if the straight out
[40:17] Speaker 2: her Moves opened tomorrow where it was back to where
[40:21] Speaker 2: it was in February, that it would take six months
[40:24] Speaker 2: to get seventy percent of the oil production back. And
[40:27] Speaker 2: so it's not exactly like, you know, open it up
[40:30] Speaker 2: and things are back to normal and perfect. It's gonna
[40:32] Speaker 2: be slow, slow rolling.
[40:36] Speaker 1: And it's gonna be even slower than that because if again,
[40:39] Speaker 1: if you don't change your regime, they're gonna fight you
[40:41] Speaker 1: tooth and nail and everything.
[40:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, man, listen, I'm not a fan of the Iranian
[40:48] Speaker 2: regime obviously, but I don't. It seems so it's like
[40:52] Speaker 2: such a difficult task. And frankly because I'm you know,
[40:55] Speaker 2: I'm just a student of all this basically been witnessed
[40:58] Speaker 2: to what we've done over the last twenty or thirty years,
[41:02] Speaker 2: and it's just it seems like regime change is a
[41:05] Speaker 2: lot of heavy heavy lifting.
[41:10] Speaker 1: What we've got there with the reality we have the
[41:12] Speaker 1: capability to do the heavy lifting and it's not that complicated.
[41:16] Speaker 1: We almost had regime change early on in this war
[41:20] Speaker 1: by eliminating so much of their leadership. There was almost
[41:23] Speaker 1: regime change. However, we didn't have the other aspect of it,
[41:27] Speaker 1: the people. The people, eighty percent of the population, they
[41:30] Speaker 1: had no way to take over that little bit of
[41:33] Speaker 1: strength that remained. Yeah, in the IRGC. Had we had that,
[41:37] Speaker 1: this would have been over a long time ago. Trump
[41:39] Speaker 1: would have been a hero.
[41:42] Speaker 2: Yeah. What else do you track? And anything else that
[41:45] Speaker 2: you want to talk about? You want to talk about Ukraine?
[41:48] Speaker 1: Tell me again?
[41:50] Speaker 2: You know so, Mike, let's go into like you a
[41:54] Speaker 2: little bit. So you worked in and around the region
[41:57] Speaker 2: for ever, right, for years.
[42:01] Speaker 1: I've been in and around the Middle East since nineteen
[42:03] Speaker 1: eighty three, and.
[42:05] Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty three. You were in the saf right, Yeah, yeah,
[42:09] Speaker 2: so you were going down that you were in Lebanon
[42:11] Speaker 2: and stuff like that, like helping train or you know,
[42:14] Speaker 2: try to do a little bit of fid.
[42:17] Speaker 1: Yeah. We put the Lebanese Army together back together. They
[42:20] Speaker 1: looked like, you know, a band of you know, gorillas
[42:24] Speaker 1: when we got there. They had no uniforms. They were
[42:26] Speaker 1: wearing sneakers with their you know, part of their camis
[42:29] Speaker 1: and nobody had the same uniform. They were just total,
[42:32] Speaker 1: in total disarray. We put them all together, made them
[42:34] Speaker 1: into an army, trained them they could shoot, move and communicate,
[42:37] Speaker 1: new combined arms, maneuvers and and you know, we actually
[42:43] Speaker 1: took over Beirut with the Lebanese Army. We assisted them
[42:45] Speaker 1: in taking it over. We took it over from the
[42:49] Speaker 1: Progressive Socialist Party, which is the Druz, the Amal, the Sheites,
[42:56] Speaker 1: all the different you know, the the Hezbala which is
[42:58] Speaker 1: called Islamic Jihad back then, so all these different organizations,
[43:02] Speaker 1: these different paramilitary organization militias, we took it over. That's
[43:08] Speaker 1: the first time the city of Bayirut has been taken
[43:10] Speaker 1: over by the Lebanese Army ever. Yeah, but we lost
[43:14] Speaker 1: control of the army because they all went back politically
[43:17] Speaker 1: to their different religious outfits, and that's when the army
[43:21] Speaker 1: broke apart again.
[43:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's sad because I know Lebanon is a
[43:26] Speaker 2: great country. Bayriot's a great place. I have a bunch
[43:29] Speaker 2: of friends who are from there who now live in
[43:31] Speaker 2: New York and stuff like that.
[43:32] Speaker 3: So, oh yeah, it's a wonderful place. Wonderful place, highly educated.
[43:37] Speaker 3: They're the most hospitable people on Earth. I'm telling you,
[43:40] Speaker 3: You're not gonna find more hospitable people than them. Maybe
[43:43] Speaker 3: in Dubai you'll find some, but they're just amazing.
[43:46] Speaker 1: The hospitality. I've actually walked through day before and knocked
[43:51] Speaker 1: on the door and asked for help. They knew I
[43:54] Speaker 1: was an America. They bring me in, they get me coffee,
[43:57] Speaker 1: they want to give me some fruits, and then they
[43:59] Speaker 1: got me a ride back to where I needed to go.
[44:02] Speaker 1: That is hospitality.
[44:04] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, uh so you are around back then when
[44:08] Speaker 2: they were like when we were trying to go after
[44:10] Speaker 2: the guys, you know, the the fuckers that took Buckley right,
[44:14] Speaker 2: like were you.
[44:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you a story about that. They had
[44:20] Speaker 1: them over in the Sheik Muhammad barracks in the in
[44:22] Speaker 1: the Baka and Ballbeck and there was a deal working
[44:27] Speaker 1: on back then with Ali North and those guys about
[44:30] Speaker 1: the hawk missile parts and you know, get them to
[44:32] Speaker 1: the Iranians and we'd sell them to them for one
[44:34] Speaker 1: hundred percent and send that over to the contrast to
[44:38] Speaker 1: help them out. Because of the bull and Amendment, Congress
[44:40] Speaker 1: shut off funding for them. But we got to the
[44:43] Speaker 1: point where the Syrians said to Hasbala, you go ahead,
[44:47] Speaker 1: and you're going to turn these these hostages over now.
[44:50] Speaker 1: And Hasbala, because they have a direct line to Iran,
[44:54] Speaker 1: said no, we're not, because if you the Syrian army
[44:57] Speaker 1: tries to come in and take him, we're going to
[44:58] Speaker 1: kill all the hostages for and then we're going to
[45:01] Speaker 1: kill all the Syrian army people that come. That's how
[45:04] Speaker 1: strong Hasbala was from Iran. That was back in nineteen
[45:08] Speaker 1: eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven.
[45:10] Speaker 2: And that it was like a few years after they formed, right,
[45:12] Speaker 2: didn't they form in eighty.
[45:13] Speaker 1: Two eighty three? Yes, eighty three, that's correct. They were
[45:17] Speaker 1: that strong that fast because of that vacuum that the
[45:21] Speaker 1: Palestinians left. And again why don't we put some factories
[45:25] Speaker 1: in there. Talk to these professional diplomats like the Ryan
[45:29] Speaker 1: Crockers of the world. Put some factories in there. Let's
[45:31] Speaker 1: get these people some jobs. Work. It's some fun stuff
[45:34] Speaker 1: to do. Earn money. They have no way to earn money.
[45:36] Speaker 1: What do you think they're gonna do? Same thing when
[45:38] Speaker 1: we disbanded the Iraqi Army. They have had no way
[45:40] Speaker 1: to feed their families. It matters. That's their job as
[45:44] Speaker 1: a man, especially in the air world, got to take
[45:46] Speaker 1: care of the family. No different than here. They got
[45:50] Speaker 1: to find a way to take care of the family.
[45:51] Speaker 1: They're getting paid by the Ranians. Okay, so be it,
[45:54] Speaker 1: but shame on us. We're the ones that asturbated that.
[45:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be wild next Hopefully, I don't know,
[46:02] Speaker 2: something that gets figured out and things go back to
[46:06] Speaker 2: semi normal.
[46:07] Speaker 1: Man, I don't know, mark my words, d There's not
[46:10] Speaker 1: gonna be any peace steal. The Iranians may sign whatever,
[46:14] Speaker 1: it'll never happen. They don't have the ethics, they don't
[46:19] Speaker 1: have the morality, they don't have an honor, they don't care.
[46:22] Speaker 1: What they care about is getting a nuclear bomb. They're
[46:25] Speaker 1: gonna do anything they can in their power to get
[46:27] Speaker 1: that nuclear bomb.
[46:30] Speaker 2: Well specifically now too, right, Like think about it, it's
[46:34] Speaker 2: real simple. You know, you see North Korea. No one
[46:38] Speaker 2: fucks in North Korea because they have nukes, right, So
[46:41] Speaker 2: if you're if they're ultimate, and it probably obviously is.
[46:45] Speaker 2: Their ultimate goal is regime security. It's not making sure
[46:49] Speaker 2: the Iranian people are well taken care of or the
[46:51] Speaker 2: economy is booming. It's them staying in power. What's the
[46:55] Speaker 2: ultimate Obviously now it's straight over her mouse, right because
[46:58] Speaker 2: that's a big car that they're playing, and the big
[47:01] Speaker 2: boy is a nuclear weapon. So yeah, I can't listen.
[47:08] Speaker 2: Do I think the plomacy could work where I don't
[47:12] Speaker 2: know if you could trust them. Obviously, you never trust
[47:14] Speaker 2: them completely. You always fucking run and tell on them
[47:17] Speaker 2: and make sure you know what they're doing exactly. But
[47:22] Speaker 2: I my opinion is we were in a better place
[47:24] Speaker 2: February twenty seventh in terms of negotiating wise than we
[47:29] Speaker 2: are right now. That's definitely for sure.
[47:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, well we lost some right now, But as far
[47:34] Speaker 1: as true negotiating irrelevant, They're not going to negotiate. They
[47:38] Speaker 1: don't give a damn. That's what American people don't understand.
[47:41] Speaker 1: They will not negotiate. They'll jerk you around and make
[47:44] Speaker 1: you think they're negotiating. They're not going to negotiate. They're
[47:48] Speaker 1: not gonna surrender their their nuclear material. They're not gonna
[47:51] Speaker 1: give up their ambition for it. It's not gonna happen.
[47:56] Speaker 2: So do you believe like the JCPOA was like not
[48:01] Speaker 2: like the first nuclear deal with Iran?
[48:04] Speaker 1: I put that in the same category as the Clinton
[48:06] Speaker 1: administration decide we're gonna pay North Korea a lot of
[48:09] Speaker 1: money not to make a nuke. We're paying them hundreds
[48:12] Speaker 1: of millions of dollars every year not to make a nuke.
[48:14] Speaker 1: What were they doing making a nuke? Thank you for
[48:17] Speaker 1: your money, you dumbasses.
[48:19] Speaker 2: I mean. The crazy thing is though, now like there's
[48:21] Speaker 2: talk like we're gonna unfreeze twelve billion for Iran right
[48:24] Speaker 2: now and then start a three hundred billion dollar investment
[48:28] Speaker 2: fund for like, you know, there's talk now that we're
[48:32] Speaker 2: going to open up the floodgates in terms of the cash.
[48:35] Speaker 2: That's like whether it's frozen or taking off sanctions or
[48:39] Speaker 2: sanctions relief.
[48:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, another big mistake, another foolish American mistake. You know,
[48:44] Speaker 1: we get the atm you know, mentality, push a few buttons.
[48:48] Speaker 1: We want to reward those guys remind me of the Afghanis.
[48:51] Speaker 1: They very much like that. We were negotiating with the
[48:54] Speaker 1: Hakkanis to get an American hostage release and they said, listen, guys,
[48:58] Speaker 1: the Hakani said this. Jelladine Kannie says, uh, mister, Mike,
[49:03] Speaker 1: I tell you you guys have the watches, we have
[49:07] Speaker 1: the time. Iran's the same thing Americans. We want everything now,
[49:12] Speaker 1: everything's got to be quick drive through, quick drive through quick.
[49:15] Speaker 1: Iranians are staying there. They're motivated, they're fighting for their
[49:19] Speaker 1: lives and they're not going to change and they're not
[49:21] Speaker 1: going to give it their demands. Why do they care
[49:23] Speaker 1: about money. They don't give a damn about money. They
[49:25] Speaker 1: want a nuke. They get a nuke. Then they control everything.
[49:29] Speaker 1: We attack them, and now they control the straits of
[49:31] Speaker 1: her moves. They're sitting in the best seat they can
[49:34] Speaker 1: possibly be sitting in.
[49:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ah, man, it's a problem with the show.
[49:41] Speaker 2: There's never a good news. Give me some good news, Mike.
[49:44] Speaker 1: For God's sakes, Hey, get rid of the regime and
[49:47] Speaker 1: things will flourish. We won't We won't have other countries
[49:50] Speaker 1: like Lebanon in Syria, Iraq and Yemen under control of
[49:54] Speaker 1: their Iranians. There's good news. Let's make it happen.
[49:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what else is good news. I want
[50:00] Speaker 2: people to go and drink uh vitamin one. That's what
[50:03] Speaker 2: I want to do.
[50:03] Speaker 1: Definitely go drink vitamin one. This is it right here.
[50:06] Speaker 2: It's delicious.
[50:07] Speaker 1: It's honestly, Amazon's on Amazon. It's a healthy calorie only
[50:11] Speaker 1: ten calories, no sugar, energy enhancing vitamins, and it's delicious.
[50:14] Speaker 1: It tastes good.
[50:15] Speaker 2: It really is delicious. I would love I'm actually gonna
[50:18] Speaker 2: go order some on Amazon right now. I remember there
[50:20] Speaker 2: was a time you guys were sending us, you were
[50:21] Speaker 2: sending us cases. I was loving that. It was so good.
[50:24] Speaker 2: It's so good. Uh that link is in the descriptions.
[50:26] Speaker 2: Check that out. And Mike, if you want to uh
[50:29] Speaker 2: plug anything else, please feel free.
[50:31] Speaker 1: No, we're good, all right, Mike, mark my words. There's
[50:35] Speaker 1: not gonna be a real peace deal. They's not gonna
[50:38] Speaker 1: be negotiation. Their Inians are gonna do just like the
[50:40] Speaker 1: North Koreans did pay us a lot of money. And
[50:43] Speaker 1: yoh sure, we'll tell you we're not We're not gonna
[50:46] Speaker 1: make a nuke, but we paid them hundreds of millions
[50:48] Speaker 1: of dollars every year to the North Koreans while they
[50:50] Speaker 1: were making the nukes. Same thing with Iran. They're gonna
[50:53] Speaker 1: tell you we're not doing it, blah blah blah blah.
[50:55] Speaker 1: They're gonna keep doing it.
[50:58] Speaker 2: All right, guys, We'll see you next time, Mike again.
[51:00] Speaker 2: Thanks a pleasure. Let's do this again soon. And it
[51:03] Speaker 2: was really good catching up with you.
[51:04] Speaker 1: My pleasure. Good seeing you. Take care.
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