# #188 Leigh & Robert Bortins - Why Parents Are Ditching Public Schools for Homeschooling

An episode of [The Shawn Ryan Show](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1492492083), 3 Apr 2025, 3 h 07 min.

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Leigh Bortins is the founder of Classical Conversations, a global homeschooling program rooted in classical, Christian education. With degrees in aerospace engineering and ministry, she blends analytical rigor with deep educational vision. A mother of four and grandmother of three, Leigh’s passion for home education began with homeschooling her own children. She’s authored several books—including The Core, The Question, and The Conversation—that guide parents through the classical trivium. Robert Bortins, CEO of Classical Conversations, was homeschooled by Leigh and now leads the organization with a bold vision for educational reform. A mechanical engineering graduate and entrepreneur, Robert champions faith-based, family-led learning, helping over 125,000 students across 50 states and 30 countries thrive through critical thinking and community. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://ShawnLikesGold.com | 855-936-GOLD https://AmericanFinancing.net/SRS | NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org https://trueclassic.com/SRS Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at trueclassic.com/SRS ! #trueclassicpod https://ZipRecruiter.com/SRS https://ExpressVPN.com/SRS https://hometitlelock.com/SRS Go to https://hometitlelock.com/srs and use promo code SRS to get a FREE title history report so you can find out if you’re already a victim AND 14 days of protection for FREE! And make sure to check out the Million Dollar TripleLock protection details when you get there! Exclusions apply. For details visit https://hometitlelock.com/warranty https://Hillsdale.edu/SRS https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SRS | Download the app today and use code SRS Classical Conversations Links: Special Offer For SRS - https://info.classicalconversations.com/shawnryan Classical Conversations - www.classicalconversations.com Leigh’s Website - https://leighbortins.com Robert’s Website - Robertbortins.com Podcast - www.Refiningrhetoric.com X - https://x.com/TheRobertBshow Education Independence - https://chooseeducationindependence.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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