# Certis sick leave policy raises tough questions on employer-employee trust

An episode of [Deep Dive](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1491441787), 10 Jul 2025, 20 min.

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Certis came under scrutiny recently for a controversial policy requiring officers on medical leave to share their “live” location if they were not at home. While the company has since rolled back the mandate, the debate over workplace sick leave policies continues. How far should companies go to prevent abuse of the system and where does trust fit in? Steven Chia speaks with Hao Shuo, CEO of the Singapore National Employers Federation, and Alvin Goh, CEO of Singapore Human Resources Institute. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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