# When "Garbage In, Garbage Out" Gets It Wrong

An episode of [The Data Exchange with Ben Lorica](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1487704458), 21 May 2026, 43 min.

Audio: https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/www.buzzsprout.com/682433/episodes/19171916-when-garbage-in-garbage-out-gets-it-wrong.mp3

Ben Lorica speaks with Terrence Lee-St. John, founder of Enli and lead author of From Garbage to Gold: A Data Architectural Theory of Predictive Robustness. Subscribe to the Gradient Flow Newsletter 📩 https://gradientflow.substack.com/ Subscribe: Apple · Spotify · Overcast · Pocket Casts · AntennaPod · Podcast Addict · Amazon · RSS. Detailed show notes and transcript, can be found on The Data Exchange web site.

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