# What Comes After Transformers? An episode of [The Data Exchange with Ben Lorica](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1487704458), 24 Sep 2026, 47 min. Audio: https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/www.buzzsprout.com/682433/episodes/19817129-what-comes-after-transformers.mp3 Ben Lorica speaks with Zuzanna Stamirowska, CEO of Pathway, about the company鈥檚 push beyond transformers toward models that reason in latent space, learn from experience, and maintain state over long time horizons. Subscribe to the Gradient Flow Newsletter 馃摡 https://gradientflow.substack.com/ Subscribe: Apple 路 Spotify 路 Overcast 路 Pocket Casts 路 AntennaPod 路 Podcast Addict 路 Amazon 路 RSS. Detailed show notes and transcript, can be found on The Data Exchange web site. Shows are listed from Apple Podcasts' charts and directory, and Podcast Index where it is used. Every show and episode belongs to its publisher and plays from the publisher's own feed; this site hosts none of them.