# An Agent Is Just an LLM in a For-Loop

An episode of [The Data Exchange with Ben Lorica](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1487704458), 20 Aug 2026, 35 min.

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Maarten Grootendorst, a developer relations engineer at Google DeepMind and co-author of Hands-On Large Language Models and An Illustrated Guide to AI Agents, joins Ben Lorica to explain the concepts developers need to understand beneath today’s AI tools. Subscribe to the Gradient Flow Newsletter 📩 https://gradientflow.substack.com/ Subscribe: Apple · Spotify · Overcast · Pocket Casts · AntennaPod · Podcast Addict · Amazon · RSS. Detailed show notes and transcript, can be found on The Data Exchange web site.

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