# 9 – The Rules-Based International Order

An episode of [The International Security Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1484996253), 2 Feb 2026, 40 min.

Audio: https://chtbl.com/track/51GC6D/cdn.simplecast.com/audio/986aeb52-d940-46c5-b0fc-626a6f8964a5/episodes/233ed633-6da3-4da6-836c-2f172b52b863/audio/90a950c7-ef5a-4bdb-88a4-c303e2fbc926/default_tc.mp3?aid=rss_feed&feed=3uty_TmZ

Guests: Marc Trachtenberg is Professor Emeritus of Political Science at the University of California, Los Angeles. International Security Article: Marc Trachtenberg, “The Rules-Based International Order: A Historical Analysis,” International Security, Vol. 50, No. 2 (Fall 2025), pp. 7–54, https://doi.org/10.1162/ISEC.a.11. Originally released on February 2, 2026

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