# Dogfood so nutritious it’s building the future of SDLCs

An episode of [The Stack Overflow Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1483510527), 24 Feb 2026, 32 min.

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Ryan welcomes Thibault Sottiaux, OpenAI’s engineering lead on Codex, to discuss how the Codex team dogfoods Codex to build Codex, what distinguishes an agentic coding tool from a chat-based code assistant, and why they’re focusing on a safe and secure agentic SDLC rather than just code generation. Episode notes: Codex CLI is a coding agent from OpenAI that runs locally on your computer. Try it now with your Free or Go ChatGPT plan. You can keep up with everything happening at OpenAI on their blog. Connect with Thibault on LinkedIn and Twitter. Congrats to user kevinyu for winning a Great Question badge for Does println! borrow or own the variable?. TRANSCRIPT See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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