# Strategic Thinking, Org Design & Aligning Engineering & Business Goals - Tackling the Top 10 Eng Leadership Challenges! #187

An episode of [The Engineering Leadership Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1481996448), 16 Jul 2024, 43 min.

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In Part 3 of the Top 10 Challenges series, we’re addressing the biggest org-level challenges that eng leaders face. We’ve compiled conversations from past podcasts and conference sessions that cover org-related topics, such as aligning engineering & business goals, team topologies & org resourcing, and thinking strategically. This episode features a slate of top eng leaders with valuable insight to share: Jessica McKellar @ Pilot, Andrew Lau @ Jellyfish, Samir Naik @ Plaid, Former VPE @ Robinhood Surabhi Gupta, Aaron Erickson @ NVIDIA, Mike Tria @ Gusto, Emad Elwany @ Docusign, and Scott Woody @ Metronome. Join us at ELC Annual 2024! ELC Annual is our 2 day conference bringing together engineering leaders from around the world for a unique experience help you expand your network and empower your leadership & career growth. Don't miss out on this incredible opportunity to expand your network, gain actionable insights, ignite new ideas, recharge, and accelerate your leadership journey! Secure your ticket at sfelc.com/annual2024 And use the exclusive discount code "podcast10" (all lowercase) for a 10% discount SHOW NOTES: • Aligning Engineering and Business Goals: Invest in tracking metrics to identify / meet long-term business-building goals w/ Jessica McKellar (00:43) • How to align metrics with overall, long-term business strategy w/ Andrew Lau (4:56) • Planning Team Topologies and Organizational Resources: the transition between PMF & scale-up w/ Samir Naik (12:12) • Approaching org design & planning during periods of hypergrowth w/ Surabhi Gupta (18:45) • How to do an effective reorg w/ Aaron Erickson and Mike Tria (24:41) • Strategic Thinking: Organizing engineering by strategic themes & complete units of value w/ Emad Elwany (30:12) • The transition from a large unified eng team to embedding experts and building specialized teams catered to specific customer personas w/ Scott Woody (37:26) LINKS AND RESOURCES • Becoming a better strategic contributor & business leader with Jessica McKellar • Navigating 2024: Engineering management principles to tackle the unknowns & challenges ahead with Andrew Lau • How eng orgs (and careers) evolve through hyper-growth with Samir Naik • Hypergrowth, Scaling & Org Design with Surabhi Gupta • How to Do an Effective Reorg with Aaron Erickson and Mike Tria • Organizing eng by strategic themes / complete units of value & consensus building to drive velocity with Emad Elwany • Rapidly operating early-stage engineering at global scale, mapping eng workflows to personas & pivoting pricing / business models with Scott Woody This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team: Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host Jerry Li - Co-Host Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/ Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/ Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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