# The president, Toomas Hendrik Ilves | 0x20

An episode of [Herrasmieshakkerit](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1479000931), 7 Sep 2022, 1 h 29 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/11701d3b8/podcast/play/125386868/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-8-8%2F431429080-48000-2-00ab4518276a6fb8.mp3

Welcome to the Gentlemen Hacker´s Mansion of Ylämuistiala. This is a special English language episode, with a special guest, Toomas Hendrik Ilves. We discuss what has enabled Estonia to become the most digitally advanced country, what are the main ingredients for a successful and robust cyber defense and what is needed to change to build cross-broader digitized services in Europe. On top of this we ask our guest´s view on topical events such as war in Ukraine and Finland applying NATO membership. Watch this special episode in video: https://youtu.be/FBp66gUUglI

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