# An Embarrassing Bid Day for Hanna Kramerov

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 12 Sep 2026, 23 min.

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After an unfortunate bid day incident for influencer Hanna Kramerov, things at the sorority went downhill from there. She shares the twists and turns of her TCU experience and you’ll have to decide where you stand. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about sorority life with
[0:04] Speaker 1: your hosts, me.
[0:05] Speaker 2: Gia Giudice, Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Welcome back to
[0:12] Speaker 2: another episode of Dirty Rush.
[0:14] Speaker 1: Today, we're joined by Hannah Kramrov, an ex-sorority girl who
[0:17] Speaker 1: dropped her chapter from an Instagram post. She is here
[0:20] Speaker 1: to dish the dirt on what really went down and
[0:22] Speaker 1: what ultimately brought her sorority experience to an end. Please
[0:25] Speaker 1: welcome Hannah to Dirty Rush. So where did you go
[0:29] Speaker 1: to school?
[0:30] Speaker 3: I went to TCU for two years and I was
[0:33] Speaker 3: in the sorority for two years as well.
[0:36] Speaker 2: Okay.
[0:36] Speaker 1: So what was the recruitment process like at TCU, like
[0:39] Speaker 1: a day to day?
[0:41] Speaker 3: It was like, if I'm being honest, I don't even remember.
[0:43] Speaker 3: It was a blur, but you had like the typical,
[0:45] Speaker 3: like the first day, everything was on an app.
[0:48] Speaker 2: So like, interesting.
[0:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[0:50] Speaker 3: So like you go into the basketball gym or something
[0:53] Speaker 3: and then you get all of your like houses that
[0:55] Speaker 3: you got back and.
[0:56] Speaker 2: Are you talking about kind of like the ranking app?
[0:58] Speaker 3: Yes.
[0:59] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:00] Speaker 3: And so I was like, I remember I got dropped
[1:02] Speaker 3: from like so many, like the first, I didn't even
[1:04] Speaker 3: get the chance to go into like half the sororities.
[1:07] Speaker 3: And so I already was like, something's wrong.
[1:09] Speaker 1: So you never went through open house like normally, like
[1:12] Speaker 1: you didn't go to every single house on the first day.
[1:15] Speaker 3: I didn't go to every single house. I got, I
[1:17] Speaker 3: think back six of 12.
[1:19] Speaker 2: On the, on day one.
[1:21] Speaker 3: On day one.
[1:22] Speaker 2: That's so weird.
[1:23] Speaker 3: Like crazy. So like, I had six houses and then
[1:27] Speaker 3: it was like, I don't know, it was really weird
[1:30] Speaker 3: because the sorority I was in was top, right? And
[1:32] Speaker 3: so I had top house and then I had like,
[1:35] Speaker 3: not like, I hate saying this, but like low-key the
[1:38] Speaker 3: bottom ones. And so I was like scared for my
[1:40] Speaker 3: life because I was like, I didn't want to rush anyway.
[1:42] Speaker 3: Like I was like, why am I doing this?
[1:44] Speaker 2: Like, I don't know.
[1:45] Speaker 3: And I'm always like the type of person that like
[1:46] Speaker 3: I want the best. So I was like, if I'm
[1:49] Speaker 3: not either the top two, like I'm going to drop,
[1:51] Speaker 3: which is terrible. Like I shouldn't even have that.
[1:53] Speaker 2: No, but I get it.
[1:54] Speaker 1: Girls have that mentality when they go into rush. And
[1:56] Speaker 1: I mean, also no girl wants to be in the
[1:59] Speaker 1: bottom house. It's just normal.
[2:01] Speaker 3: No.
[2:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:01] Speaker 3: And so I was like, I, my parents, like literally
[2:04] Speaker 3: they went to college, but they both dropped out. Like
[2:05] Speaker 3: they were not in, my dad was in a fraternity,
[2:07] Speaker 3: but it's like very different.
[2:08] Speaker 1: Right.
[2:09] Speaker 3: And so I had no idea what I was expecting. And, um,
[2:13] Speaker 3: So yeah, then I got my open house back, whatever.
[2:16] Speaker 3: And I could only go to six of them. And
[2:19] Speaker 3: I remember I didn't like any of them. Like all
[2:21] Speaker 3: of them I like hated except for the one that
[2:24] Speaker 3: I got. And so for pref, I, um, I was
[2:29] Speaker 3: like freaking out because it was like bottom house and
[2:31] Speaker 3: top house.
[2:33] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I would. Yeah. That's very understandable.
[2:36] Speaker 3: Which is like fine. Like, again, like if I got, honestly,
[2:39] Speaker 3: if I got the other one, I probably would have
[2:41] Speaker 3: been happier and I probably would have still been at school.
[2:44] Speaker 3: which is crazy to think about.
[2:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, definitely.
[2:47] Speaker 1: What do people not realize about going through rush at TCU?
[2:52] Speaker 3: I just feel like TCU, everybody follows the crowd and
[2:56] Speaker 3: that's just not me at all. Like I don't, I
[2:58] Speaker 3: don't like that. And so like, I kind of, I
[3:01] Speaker 3: kind of suspected that going in just because I'm like,
[3:04] Speaker 3: what do you expect? Like going to Texas school? No
[3:06] Speaker 3: one's from Texas either, which is crazy. Um, and so
[3:10] Speaker 3: everybody just like follows each other, which like I've made
[3:13] Speaker 3: great friends at TCU, but then like the other ones
[3:15] Speaker 3: that I'm not really close with, it's like, why do
[3:16] Speaker 3: we all have to be the same person? You know
[3:18] Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, I just, I just don't like that.
[3:21] Speaker 3: And it's a whole bunch of mean girls, which I
[3:22] Speaker 3: don't like either. Yeah.
[3:24] Speaker 1: Being from Dallas, did you feel like you knew what
[3:27] Speaker 1: to expect going into Southern sorority recruitment or was it
[3:31] Speaker 1: different than you expected?
[3:32] Speaker 3: I honestly, like, I didn't even know what to expect.
[3:35] Speaker 3: So like all my friends in high school, they're like
[3:37] Speaker 3: so excited to rush. And I'm like, I'm like, what
[3:40] Speaker 3: is this? Like, I have no idea. And my parents
[3:42] Speaker 3: were like, just do it. Just do it. Like we
[3:44] Speaker 3: never had the experience. So like you want to just
[3:46] Speaker 3: do it. And I was like, okay.
[3:47] Speaker 2: Of course.
[3:47] Speaker 1: Cause your parents want like, want better for you than
[3:50] Speaker 1: what they had. But so being from Dallas though, did
[3:54] Speaker 1: you not understand the hype of sorority, especially in the South?
[3:58] Speaker 3: I had no idea. Like I was like first day
[4:01] Speaker 3: I'm like, they're clapping. I'm like, what is this?
[4:04] Speaker 2: Okay, that's so funny.
[4:06] Speaker 1: Because being from Jersey, and I mean, just especially now
[4:10] Speaker 1: that TikTok has blown up, and then seeing especially the
[4:13] Speaker 1: Bama girls, and just how especially sororities in the South
[4:17] Speaker 1: do it so much differently than where I am from.
[4:21] Speaker 1: I went to a school in Jersey. I went to Rutgers,
[4:23] Speaker 1: Big Ten. But even though it was Big Ten- Yes,
[4:28] Speaker 1: the sorority life, the Greek life was great, but you
[4:31] Speaker 1: did not have to be in a sorority if you
[4:34] Speaker 1: went to Rutgers.
[4:35] Speaker 2: It wasn't like you had to do that.
[4:38] Speaker 1: And it was funny because talking, especially now doing this podcast,
[4:42] Speaker 1: Dirty Rush, and talking to so many different girls and
[4:44] Speaker 1: hearing their experience, when you are at a Southern school,
[4:48] Speaker 1: it feels like it is way more intense. The scale
[4:54] Speaker 1: is up here compared to what I went through. And
[4:57] Speaker 1: being from the South, I'm surprised that you didn't even
[4:59] Speaker 1: have like somewhat of an idea. Like people talk about
[5:03] Speaker 1: rush coaches, like all the things where I'm like, this
[5:06] Speaker 1: is crazy.
[5:08] Speaker 3: No, like my mom asked me, she was like, dude,
[5:10] Speaker 3: like I think you might need a rush coach. And
[5:12] Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not doing that.
[5:13] Speaker 2: So your mom knew more about it than you did.
[5:16] Speaker 3: Like she was like, I've heard like from like upperclassmen,
[5:18] Speaker 3: like in high school, she was like, they have rush coaches. Like,
[5:21] Speaker 3: do you need that? And I'm like, I'm no.
[5:24] Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not.
[5:25] Speaker 3: And she's like, okay, like I agree. My mom hates
[5:27] Speaker 3: it too. So she was like, but yeah.
[5:29] Speaker 1: Well, it sounds a bit ridiculous when you really put
[5:31] Speaker 1: it into perspective. Like I'm going to coach you on
[5:35] Speaker 1: how to be a sorority girl.
[5:36] Speaker 3: Like what are we doing? Like, and that's another thing.
[5:39] Speaker 3: It's like, why are we pretending to be someone that
[5:41] Speaker 3: we're not? You know what I mean?
[5:43] Speaker 2: Like 100%.
[5:44] Speaker 3: I just hate that. And like, I was like, I'm
[5:46] Speaker 3: not doing this anymore.
[5:47] Speaker 2: Like, yeah.
[5:49] Speaker 1: So we know that you landed in a top house.
[5:52] Speaker 1: Was it the top house or was it like top?
[5:55] Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.
[5:56] Speaker 1: So did it, because when you went into open house,
[5:59] Speaker 1: everybody else dropped you besides obviously the top sorority.
[6:03] Speaker 2: And then you had obviously lower rank sororities.
[6:06] Speaker 3: I had one other that was, that was like top.
[6:09] Speaker 3: It was like, I had the top one and then
[6:11] Speaker 3: like number three.
[6:12] Speaker 1: Okay.
[6:13] Speaker 2: Did it almost feel like it was done purposely? Yeah.
[6:16] Speaker 3: Honestly, yes. I'm not going to lie.
[6:17] Speaker 2: Yes.
[6:17] Speaker 3: Because it's crazy because going into it, there was one
[6:21] Speaker 3: specific sorority that I like wanted and I thought I
[6:24] Speaker 3: was going to get just because all of them followed me.
[6:26] Speaker 3: I knew like so many girls in that sorority and
[6:29] Speaker 3: I didn't know anyone like there was maybe five people
[6:32] Speaker 3: I knew like going into TCU and all of them
[6:36] Speaker 3: followed me in this one specific sorority. So I was like,
[6:38] Speaker 3: I'm for sure going that house and they dropped me
[6:41] Speaker 3: before I even got to go, which is crazy. Yeah.
[6:44] Speaker 3: And like one of them would like DM me all
[6:48] Speaker 3: the time. Like I'm thinking she's going to be my big, like, yeah, no,
[6:51] Speaker 3: they dropped me.
[6:52] Speaker 1: And it's crazy.
[6:53] Speaker 3: I'm still friends with her, which is crazy. But yeah.
[6:55] Speaker 2: Sometimes it works out like that.
[6:58] Speaker 1: But you got the house you necessarily did want, but
[7:01] Speaker 1: you said that your bid day didn't go exactly as planned.
[7:04] Speaker 1: What was that experience like? And did this happen to
[7:07] Speaker 1: any other girls in your sorority?
[7:08] Speaker 3: So I go, do you want to like explain the
[7:11] Speaker 3: whole thing?
[7:11] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[7:12] Speaker 3: So basically it's bid day, right? Like me and my roommates,
[7:15] Speaker 3: we go to like, we have to wear all white.
[7:17] Speaker 3: So we go to the pavilion wherever we're supposed to
[7:20] Speaker 3: meet and we open our cards. I see my card.
[7:22] Speaker 3: I'm like so excited. Cause like for once, like I'm
[7:24] Speaker 3: like something got went right. Like in this process, whatever,
[7:28] Speaker 3: as I said, like I was freaking out. So then
[7:31] Speaker 3: I run home. Okay. And I'm circling around this house.
[7:35] Speaker 3: I'm not joking you for 10, 15 minutes and no
[7:38] Speaker 3: one is helping me. There is no sign for me
[7:41] Speaker 3: like imagine running home and there's no sign for you
[7:44] Speaker 3: so then I found another girl who like didn't have
[7:47] Speaker 3: one too but then I guess she got it figured
[7:49] Speaker 3: out like she had a sign and yeah so then
[7:51] Speaker 3: no one really helped me I found like another girl
[7:54] Speaker 3: she was like are you sure that you're in this
[7:56] Speaker 3: house um are you sure like let me check your
[7:59] Speaker 3: card I don't know just.
[8:01] Speaker 1: Horrible Was there a lot of people in your pledge class?
[8:21] Speaker 1: It was like, was it that hard to not manage
[8:24] Speaker 1: and not for nothing though? Like just thinking about sorority rush,
[8:28] Speaker 1: these upperclassmen should have known, especially girls that were in
[8:31] Speaker 1: charge of recruitment, they should know who's joining their house.
[8:34] Speaker 3: 100%. And it's like the next year I recruited and
[8:38] Speaker 3: like we had to make signs and like I made
[8:40] Speaker 3: sure every single girl, because I didn't want that experience
[8:42] Speaker 3: to happen for anyone else. Like actually that was horrible. Like,
[8:46] Speaker 3: top five worst days of my life.
[8:47] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it just feels like you're not wanted.
[8:50] Speaker 2: It just feels weird. And it's like, okay, well then
[8:52] Speaker 2: what am I doing here?
[8:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And so, yeah, it was just not very nice.
[8:58] Speaker 1: Did they apologize or like, what was their excuse for that?
[9:01] Speaker 3: They were like, oh, I'm so sorry. Like we forgot,
[9:03] Speaker 3: which is crazy because so my big told me that
[9:06] Speaker 3: like she was supposed to have me, but they told her, no,
[9:10] Speaker 3: they were like, we have someone else for you.
[9:11] Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah.
[9:13] Speaker 3: So I don't, I don't know.
[9:15] Speaker 2: That's so interesting.
[9:16] Speaker 3: Just crazy.
[9:17] Speaker 1: You ended up dropping your sorority after only two years
[9:20] Speaker 1: due to an Instagram post. What happened there?
[9:23] Speaker 3: Basically, they like they have like a social standard that
[9:27] Speaker 3: just gave it away. I'm pretty sure. But they have
[9:29] Speaker 3: like an Instagram account specifically to like monitor our accounts.
[9:33] Speaker 3: And they text me one day and there was like
[9:35] Speaker 3: a solo cup in the picture, which like I understand
[9:38] Speaker 3: like that's like normal.
[9:38] Speaker 1: Right.
[9:39] Speaker 3: So then I saw the account and I was like, OK,
[9:40] Speaker 3: they're obviously watching me. And then they texted me again.
[9:45] Speaker 3: Like so for Halloween, I was a Victoria's Secret angel
[9:47] Speaker 3: with one of my other friends in the sorority and
[9:49] Speaker 3: they texted me months later like this was in January
[9:52] Speaker 3: or February when obviously Halloween's in October and they were like,
[9:55] Speaker 3: you need to take this down. And so I didn't
[9:57] Speaker 3: respond like I'm like, I'm not doing this. And then.
[10:00] Speaker 3: they don't say anything whatever and or they sent me
[10:02] Speaker 3: like the picture of the code of conduct and was
[10:04] Speaker 3: like this is explicit like this goes under the explicit
[10:07] Speaker 3: content so then I posted for spring break and And
[10:13] Speaker 3: she texted me again and was like, if you don't
[10:14] Speaker 3: remove this, you're going in for a meeting like honor board.
[10:17] Speaker 3: And I'm like, what? Like, I don't even respond.
[10:20] Speaker 1: Okay. But this is your spring break that basically probably
[10:23] Speaker 1: your entire sorority was at anyway.
[10:25] Speaker 3: Exactly. And I don't think anyone else got this message.
[10:28] Speaker 1: Right.
[10:28] Speaker 3: And it's just like very frustrating because I know exactly
[10:31] Speaker 3: what the reason was because like, I don't know. I
[10:34] Speaker 3: work out a lot and I like, I hate saying
[10:37] Speaker 3: this about myself, but I do have a bigger butt.
[10:38] Speaker 3: And I know that if it was like the other
[10:41] Speaker 3: way around, there's multiple girls in the sorority who have
[10:44] Speaker 3: the exact same pose, the exact same, like everything on
[10:47] Speaker 3: the beach. Like it's just very obvious. Right. Yeah.
[10:50] Speaker 2: They were kind of just singling you out. Yeah, for sure.
[10:52] Speaker 3: And so then I don't respond. I'm obviously on the beach.
[10:55] Speaker 3: Like I'm having fun next day. I get like two
[10:58] Speaker 3: messages in a row and was like, if you don't
[10:59] Speaker 3: delete this, you're going in. And so I'm like, okay.
[11:02] Speaker 3: I was like, I'm meeting anyway. I'm thinking about dropping anyway,
[11:05] Speaker 3: because of this, like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So
[11:07] Speaker 3: then I post, I was like, like, uh, David get
[11:10] Speaker 3: a concert and I post a picture and I'm holding
[11:12] Speaker 3: a drink. It wasn't even alcohol. And they were like,
[11:14] Speaker 3: take this down immediately. I was like, I'm literally not
[11:18] Speaker 3: even alcohol, like whatever. And so then she was like, okay,
[11:21] Speaker 3: no worries. Like, just because I had to like, say
[11:24] Speaker 3: that it's not alcohol. So then it was fine. Right.
[11:27] Speaker 3: I go into the meeting and, And they're basically singling
[11:30] Speaker 3: me out, telling me the advisor told me that I'm
[11:33] Speaker 3: never going to get a job. Like literally good luck
[11:35] Speaker 3: finding a job with that social media presence. They were
[11:38] Speaker 3: basically telling me it looked like an OnlyFans portfolio. And
[11:41] Speaker 3: then I'm just sitting there and I'm like, are we serious?
[11:44] Speaker 3: And then what's crazy is the president literally looked at me,
[11:47] Speaker 3: which I love her. She's awesome. She was like, if
[11:49] Speaker 3: I looked like you and I had your body, I
[11:51] Speaker 3: would 100% be posting the exact same way. And the
[11:54] Speaker 3: whole room just went silent. And I'm like, okay, so
[11:56] Speaker 3: that just shows you right there.
[11:58] Speaker 1: Did any, exactly that you were just like being singled
[12:01] Speaker 1: out and they were just like literally pinpointing you because
[12:03] Speaker 1: you had a good body. I mean, and that's like
[12:06] Speaker 1: bizarre to me because I mean, even in my sorority
[12:09] Speaker 1: being on spring break, everyone posted in their bikinis, everyone, everyone.
[12:14] Speaker 1: And not for nothing, everyone in my sorority was having
[12:17] Speaker 1: a great, a great time too.
[12:18] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[12:19] Speaker 3: And it's like, they post that, like they want that known.
[12:22] Speaker 3: And like, Obviously like we're top, right? Because like every
[12:26] Speaker 3: single girl in the sorority was drop dead. Like every
[12:29] Speaker 3: single girl is beautiful.
[12:30] Speaker 1: I'm sure your body is insane, but I'm sure you
[12:34] Speaker 1: are not the only girl in your sorority that has.
[12:36] Speaker 3: A good body.
[12:37] Speaker 1: 100%. 100%.
[12:38] Speaker 3: Every single person did.
[12:39] Speaker 2: What's your motive here? Like why are you single? Exactly.
[12:42] Speaker 3: And like the girl that would want me to take
[12:43] Speaker 3: it down, she has huge boobs, but like I don't. So, okay.
[12:46] Speaker 3: Of course me facing the front is going to be
[12:48] Speaker 3: completely different than, you know what I mean? I don't know.
[12:51] Speaker 3: It was just very targeted. Like I could tell. And
[12:53] Speaker 3: I don't want to just sound like I'm like saying
[12:55] Speaker 3: that I have a great body.
[12:56] Speaker 2: No, no.
[12:57] Speaker 1: I mean, it's also just weird. It's like you work
[12:59] Speaker 1: hard for your body. You like, you embrace it.
[13:02] Speaker 2: You love it.
[13:03] Speaker 1: You should be able to post yourself to a degree.
[13:06] Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if you're really posting photos that like
[13:09] Speaker 1: are like only fans, I doubt you're posting nudes on
[13:12] Speaker 1: your social media.
[13:13] Speaker 3: Exactly. And of course I would never post that considering
[13:15] Speaker 3: I know that there's something I need to follow, you know?
[13:18] Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. Did any of your friends in your sorority
[13:20] Speaker 1: feel the same way you did about the culture or
[13:23] Speaker 1: did you feel alone during this entire experience?
[13:26] Speaker 3: Oh, everyone I knew personally, like all of my friends
[13:28] Speaker 3: felt the exact same way, but like none of them
[13:30] Speaker 3: wanted to drop, none of them wanted to do anything
[13:32] Speaker 3: because it's like, I guess it's good for like their
[13:34] Speaker 3: resume or whatever.
[13:35] Speaker 1: Yeah. So your other friends were receiving some similar text
[13:39] Speaker 1: messages to this or not to this extent?
[13:41] Speaker 3: So one girl that I knew, so we would have
[13:44] Speaker 3: a school girl themed formal every single year, which is
[13:46] Speaker 3: bizarre to me because what do you mean I can't
[13:48] Speaker 3: post in a bikini, but I can wear like lingerie
[13:52] Speaker 3: under like a mini skirt and a top, right? And
[13:54] Speaker 3: glasses and like give that aesthetic.
[13:56] Speaker 2: Give that energy. It was cute.
[13:59] Speaker 3: Like best outfit I've ever worn for a formal, but-
[14:02] Speaker 3: one girl posted in it and they told her to
[14:05] Speaker 3: take it down.
[14:05] Speaker 2: You created the theme.
[14:07] Speaker 3: We have the theme of this. Why are we not
[14:09] Speaker 3: allowed to post that? And like, that just doesn't make
[14:10] Speaker 3: sense to me. Like, obviously we shouldn't be having that.
[14:13] Speaker 1: It was almost like your sorority was like allowing you
[14:16] Speaker 1: girls to like give that energy. And I mean, listen,
[14:18] Speaker 1: you guys are like, you're in college. You're supposed to
[14:21] Speaker 1: feel hot, have fun. Like truthfully, these are the photos
[14:24] Speaker 1: that you're going to look back at, you know, and
[14:26] Speaker 1: especially now I feel like I was like, not, I
[14:29] Speaker 1: feel like I was not the same person in college
[14:31] Speaker 1: that I am now.
[14:32] Speaker 2: If I looked the way that I.
[14:34] Speaker 1: Looked now when I was in college, I would be like,
[14:36] Speaker 1: hell yeah, I'm embracing everything. But it's just funny how
[14:40] Speaker 1: times change. My little sister, I feel like she has
[14:42] Speaker 1: never gone through an awkward phase. Meanwhile, I feel like
[14:45] Speaker 1: I've gone through five.
[14:46] Speaker 2: But now I feel like.
[14:51] Speaker 1: You're in college, you're supposed to post, have fun, be confident.
[14:55] Speaker 1: And these are the photos that you're going to look
[14:57] Speaker 1: back on and be like, wow, like that was me
[14:59] Speaker 1: in college.
[15:00] Speaker 2: Like that was me. I was hot. I was that girl.
[15:03] Speaker 1: But like, It also feels like they're almost trying to
[15:06] Speaker 1: like allow you guys to like give this aesthetic or like,
[15:09] Speaker 1: you know, participate in events that are giving this aesthetic.
[15:13] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[15:13] Speaker 1: But then it backfires on you guys when you like
[15:17] Speaker 1: post that you're having fun doing things that you are
[15:19] Speaker 1: told to be doing by your sorority.
[15:22] Speaker 3: And it's like, I'm assuming that they didn't want that
[15:24] Speaker 3: posted for other people to like talk and like have assumptions,
[15:26] Speaker 3: but I'm like, they already do. And especially if you're
[15:28] Speaker 3: having this formal and then you're going to tell everybody
[15:30] Speaker 3: to delete it.
[15:31] Speaker 1: But also formals are also so public when you, when
[15:34] Speaker 1: you go to a college or a university, like.
[15:36] Speaker 2: Everyone in Greek life knows, Oh, okay.
[15:38] Speaker 1: This sorority is having their formal this night and they
[15:41] Speaker 1: coordinate it very well. So that like, obviously frat brothers
[15:45] Speaker 1: can like go with, for sure. Like it's very well coordinated.
[15:48] Speaker 1: Everyone knows about it.
[15:49] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[15:50] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[16:05] Speaker 1: After that, you ultimately left TCU as well. And after dropping,
[16:09] Speaker 1: was your decision to leave the school and your decision
[16:12] Speaker 1: to drop your sorority connected?
[16:14] Speaker 3: Kind of, honestly. I just like felt like that school,
[16:17] Speaker 3: like it's claiming to be a Christian school and it's
[16:20] Speaker 3: not at all. I just was not happy at all.
[16:24] Speaker 3: Like literally nothing. So I was like, I'm done.
[16:27] Speaker 1: I'm out. Yeah. Yeah.
[16:28] Speaker 3: And I've never looked back.
[16:31] Speaker 2: What was the best part of being in your sorority?
[16:33] Speaker 1: Is there anything about sorority life that you genuinely missed
[16:37] Speaker 1: before you dropped?
[16:39] Speaker 3: I would say, I mean, I have a great little.
[16:42] Speaker 3: my friends that I got out of it, like is great. Like,
[16:45] Speaker 3: but besides that, I mean, I just don't like being
[16:47] Speaker 3: told what to do.
[16:48] Speaker 2: But it was to an extent you felt singled out.
[16:50] Speaker 1: I mean, when, if you're a freshman and you're posting
[16:54] Speaker 1: with alcohol or you're under the age of 21, you're
[16:56] Speaker 1: posting with alcohol, you're on elevated surfaces, little things like that.
[17:00] Speaker 1: Like there's a degree of which it's like, okay, just
[17:03] Speaker 1: follow these stupid rules. And then when you're 21, everything
[17:07] Speaker 1: will be fine. But when you're feeling singled out, like
[17:11] Speaker 1: about your body, little things that like other girls in
[17:14] Speaker 1: your sorority are obviously posting. That's when it's, I just
[17:18] Speaker 1: feel like it's not fun.
[17:20] Speaker 3: And it's like, okay, do you know what Yik Yak is? Yeah.
[17:23] Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Okay. So then a bunch of my
[17:25] Speaker 3: friends screenshot and like send me all these messages that
[17:29] Speaker 3: after I posted that video, everyone is like posting screenshots
[17:33] Speaker 3: and being like, oh my gosh, like Hannah Kramer off
[17:35] Speaker 3: is like goaded for like finally flaming on the sorority.
[17:40] Speaker 3: Like everyone's hyping me up in there. And I'm like,
[17:42] Speaker 3: That just shows you like how many people like agree
[17:44] Speaker 3: with what I'm saying. And they're like, you know, and
[17:47] Speaker 3: then someone was like, well, she does look so slutty
[17:49] Speaker 3: or whatever. And then someone commented back and was like, okay,
[17:52] Speaker 3: just say that you're in her sorority and then immediately
[17:54] Speaker 3: deletes the comment.
[17:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[17:56] Speaker 3: I'm like, that just shows you like, it's like, it's
[17:58] Speaker 3: all just for publicity.
[18:00] Speaker 1: What was the social scene like at TCU? How much
[18:03] Speaker 1: should being in a sorority shape your college experience?
[18:06] Speaker 3: It was very clicky. I will say, but like most
[18:08] Speaker 3: of my friends were not in my sorority.
[18:11] Speaker 2: It happens like that, too.
[18:12] Speaker 1: I had a lot of friends that were in different sororities.
[18:14] Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's like, I mean, I just feel like
[18:17] Speaker 3: you don't need to be obviously like to get invited
[18:20] Speaker 3: to like the frat parties and stuff. You need to
[18:22] Speaker 3: be in one or like, no. But like apparently our school,
[18:26] Speaker 3: some of the sororities wouldn't even get invited to the
[18:28] Speaker 3: frat parties, which is crazy to me. I don't know.
[18:31] Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure like I'm not.
[18:33] Speaker 1: I mean, maybe if it was a closed mixer and like.
[18:36] Speaker 1: how it went at Rutgers was like, if you had
[18:37] Speaker 1: a closed mixer, it would kind of be like the pregame,
[18:40] Speaker 1: you know, you and another fraternity, you guys would pregame
[18:43] Speaker 1: together from like 10 to 1130. And then at like 1145,
[18:47] Speaker 1: the doors open to everyone.
[18:49] Speaker 2: So that's kind of how it was at Rutgers.
[18:52] Speaker 3: I have no idea if I'm being honest, but yeah,
[18:55] Speaker 3: I just feel like it did nothing for me if
[18:57] Speaker 3: I'm being honest. Like, and like, that's, I feel bad, like,
[19:00] Speaker 3: just like trashing on it, but like.
[19:02] Speaker 1: No, but it was an experience for you when you
[19:04] Speaker 1: learned from it and realized that like you didn't need
[19:07] Speaker 1: it in your life anymore.
[19:08] Speaker 2: Where did you transfer to after TCU?
[19:11] Speaker 3: I went to like the smaller school in Arlington, Texas,
[19:13] Speaker 3: or it's not even small. It's bigger than TCU, but UTA.
[19:16] Speaker 2: Okay, awesome. And do you love it?
[19:19] Speaker 3: I loved it, but then they stopped offering my degree online.
[19:22] Speaker 3: So I moved to ACU online.
[19:23] Speaker 2: Just wow.
[19:25] Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm an online school now.
[19:27] Speaker 2: Okay, so like your college experience really got.
[19:29] Speaker 3: Like, I like truly believe and it's crazy. I was
[19:32] Speaker 3: talking to one of my best friends who still goes
[19:34] Speaker 3: to TCU and we were just talking and we were like,
[19:37] Speaker 3: it's crazy how if we went literally anywhere else, I
[19:40] Speaker 3: believe that my experience would have been completely different. I
[19:43] Speaker 3: think that I would have loved it.
[19:45] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Did being in a sorority ever affect what
[19:47] Speaker 1: you could post online on social media or how you
[19:50] Speaker 1: presented yourself online? Like, did you ever feel like, even
[19:54] Speaker 1: though you were posting whatever you wanted to post, did
[19:56] Speaker 1: you ever restrict yourself in other ways?
[19:59] Speaker 3: Like for the alcohol and stuff? Of course.
[20:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[20:01] Speaker 3: And also like, it was hard. Cause like I'm a bartender.
[20:04] Speaker 3: And so like, I couldn't even post being at work,
[20:06] Speaker 3: but like, I knew that like, obviously I'm going to
[20:08] Speaker 3: follow that rule, but like, Once it was to the
[20:10] Speaker 3: extent of that, like, me not being able to post
[20:14] Speaker 3: in bikini, that was, like, where it's, like, wild. Like,
[20:16] Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm done.
[20:17] Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it is wild. Yeah.
[20:19] Speaker 1: Besides the social media aspect, were there other rules that
[20:22] Speaker 1: were a part of your chapter that you thought were
[20:25] Speaker 1: completely ridiculous?
[20:27] Speaker 3: Honestly, no. But, like, there was a lot of rumors
[20:29] Speaker 3: that we would haze and stuff, which I'm sure comes
[20:31] Speaker 3: with every sorority. But, like, you know that, like, washing
[20:36] Speaker 3: machine rumor? Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's the chapter at
[20:39] Speaker 3: TCU that I was in. Like that started with that.
[20:43] Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, it could be a rumor
[20:44] Speaker 3: for everything.
[20:45] Speaker 1: No, but I honestly think that that, maybe it did
[20:48] Speaker 1: happen like way back when, but I just don't think
[20:50] Speaker 1: it happens now.
[20:51] Speaker 2: Like I think- Oh, I don't either.
[20:53] Speaker 1: I don't think- People would literally be like canceled, like
[20:56] Speaker 1: literally off campus, not even allowed to be a part
[20:59] Speaker 1: of that.
[20:59] Speaker 2: Like I feel like it would be crazy. Yeah.
[21:02] Speaker 1: But TCU is a school where Greek life is such
[21:05] Speaker 1: a big part of the culture. Do you think- If
[21:08] Speaker 1: you do you think you still would have transferred if
[21:11] Speaker 1: your sorority experience would have been different?
[21:13] Speaker 3: Honestly, yes. But I do think that if I was
[21:16] Speaker 3: in like a lower tier, right, I think that I
[21:19] Speaker 3: would have loved it. I think that I would have
[21:20] Speaker 3: had so many more friends. It's like if you're I
[21:23] Speaker 3: don't know, like everybody says it's bottom house, but it's
[21:26] Speaker 3: actually top in my opinion. Like I think they're like,
[21:28] Speaker 3: why would you want fake friends? Like I'm just not
[21:31] Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that everybody is like that.
[21:33] Speaker 1: But you would have rather been a part of a
[21:34] Speaker 1: sorority where the girls were more real.
[21:37] Speaker 3: Yes, 100%. And don't get me wrong, there's several in
[21:41] Speaker 3: my sorority that were down to earth and stuff. But then,
[21:44] Speaker 3: I don't know, I think it was just like the
[21:47] Speaker 3: mixture of everything that happened. Like it wasn't even my
[21:49] Speaker 3: class that ruined it for me. Like my class was great.
[21:52] Speaker 3: It was the upperclassmen.
[21:53] Speaker 1: And honestly, sometimes that's very normal when where the older
[21:59] Speaker 1: you get in your sorority, the more of like uh
[22:02] Speaker 1: the more level of like hierarchy you feel like you
[22:04] Speaker 1: have in power so then you just like completely over
[22:09] Speaker 1: compensate everything that you're doing and it's just too much
[22:12] Speaker 1: it just becomes like od honestly it's.
[22:14] Speaker 3: Just like a lot yes 100 like yeah i just
[22:18] Speaker 3: can't and like the advisor saying that to me like
[22:20] Speaker 3: was i'm like are you kidding me like really.
[22:23] Speaker 1: That was not much But listen, I'm so happy that
[22:27] Speaker 1: you are happy now with where you are at.
[22:29] Speaker 2: And you know what?
[22:30] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on Dirty Rush.
[22:32] Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
[22:34] Speaker 1: That's it for this week's episode of Dirty Rush. Thank
[22:37] Speaker 1: you so much for joining us this week. Make sure
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[22:46] Speaker 2: Love you guys.
[22:47] Speaker 1: Bye.

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