# Legally Brunette Presents: ‘Til Death Do Us Part - Caleb Flynn (Pt. 1)

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 27 Sep 2026, 23 min.

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Former American Idol contestant, Caleb Flynn, is currently on trial for the murder of his wife, Ashley. Though Caleb pleads “not guilty”, the prosecution has hard evidence against him, including over 100,000 text messages with his mistress… **Disclaimer: this trial is ongoing. We will provide updates as it progresses. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Hi guys, welcome to Till Death Do Us Part. I'll
[0:04] Speaker 1: be your host today, Emily Simpson and Shane. Okay, today
[0:08] Speaker 1: we are going to talk about the case of Caleb Flynn.
[0:11] Speaker 1: He is currently on trial for the alleged murder of
[0:15] Speaker 1: his wife. I don't know if you remember this, but
[0:17] Speaker 1: when this news first broke, we talked about it on
[0:20] Speaker 1: an episode. We didn't do a full episode. We just
[0:22] Speaker 1: talked about it. His name's Caleb Flynn. It's an Ohio case.
[0:26] Speaker 1: And it took place in Tip City, which is very
[0:28] Speaker 1: near Dayton. And that's just the area kind of where
[0:32] Speaker 1: I grew up. So my sister, who's still in Ohio.
[0:35] Speaker 1: sent me the first, you know, breaking news of it
[0:39] Speaker 1: and sent the article to me. This was, I believe,
[0:41] Speaker 1: back in February. And he originally said that it was
[0:45] Speaker 1: an intruder. And I remember when she sent the article,
[0:47] Speaker 1: the article said, you know, the wife was shot, it
[0:49] Speaker 1: was an intruder, or he claims it was an intruder.
[0:51] Speaker 1: And I remember replying going, I doubt it was an intruder.
[0:54] Speaker 1: It was most likely the husband. Why would you say
[0:57] Speaker 1: that based on a headline? Because it's always the husband. No,
[1:00] Speaker 1: it's not. Sometimes it's the wife. I don't know. It
[1:03] Speaker 1: just seemed fishy to me that the wife got shot
[1:06] Speaker 1: in the back of the head. He was fine. The
[1:08] Speaker 1: girls at home are fine. It's just the wife that
[1:10] Speaker 1: got shot. An intruder came in and just shot the
[1:12] Speaker 1: wife when she was sleeping. Anyway, Caleb Flynn is now
[1:16] Speaker 1: on trial for his wife's murder. So we are going
[1:19] Speaker 1: to talk about it and we are going to follow it. Obviously,
[1:22] Speaker 1: he is currently on trial. So we are just doing
[1:25] Speaker 1: as much as we can up until currently, but we
[1:27] Speaker 1: will obviously continue to follow it. So just after 2.30am
[1:31] Speaker 1: on February 16th of 2026, police were called to a
[1:35] Speaker 1: Tip City, Ohio home on a report of a burglary.
[1:39] Speaker 1: Inside the home, Ashley Flynn, a 37-year-old teacher, volleyball coach,
[1:44] Speaker 1: and mother of two, had been shot twice and was
[1:47] Speaker 1: pronounced dead at the scene. Twice in the head? Twice
[1:51] Speaker 1: in the head. That's an execution. That's an execution. Her husband, Caleb,
[1:56] Speaker 1: a former worship pastor who had once appeared on season...
[1:59] Speaker 1: Another pastor. Another pastor... He had once appeared on season
[2:03] Speaker 1: 12 of American Idol. I believe he got the golden buzzer.
[2:06] Speaker 1: What was he doing on American Idol? He was a singer.
[2:08] Speaker 1: He was a singing pastor. Who gave him the golden buzzer?
[2:11] Speaker 1: I don't know, but we should find out. He made
[2:15] Speaker 1: a frantic 911 call. He said an intruder had broken
[2:20] Speaker 1: in and shot his wife and that he had been
[2:22] Speaker 1: in his daughter's bedroom when it happened. Police found signs
[2:26] Speaker 1: of a forced entry. Oh, he's saying he was home?
[2:28] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. When it happened? Yes. And some
[2:31] Speaker 1: intruder came and just killed her and then left? That's
[2:34] Speaker 1: why I said to you, when I first saw the article,
[2:36] Speaker 1: I said that man shot his wife in the back
[2:38] Speaker 1: of the head. Twice. Twice. Yeah. Allegedly. Allegedly. When the
[2:43] Speaker 1: police came, they found signs of a forced entry. But
[2:46] Speaker 1: three days later, Caleb was the one in handcuffs. All right,
[2:50] Speaker 1: let's go through this. Let's do a little background on Caleb.
[2:53] Speaker 1: So Caleb Flynn was a former worship pastor who appeared
[2:56] Speaker 1: on season 12 of American Idol in 2013. I actually
[3:00] Speaker 1: wanted to do this, but I haven't done it yet.
[3:02] Speaker 1: I wanted to go on YouTube and find his American
[3:06] Speaker 1: Idol appearance. What do you think I'm doing right now? Oh,
[3:08] Speaker 1: is that what you're doing? During an interview for the show,
[3:11] Speaker 1: he discussed his love of music and credited his wife, Ashley,
[3:15] Speaker 1: with encouraging him to audition. He did not reach the
[3:19] Speaker 1: live rounds. Caleb and Ashley lived in Tip City with
[3:23] Speaker 1: their two daughters. Ashley worked as a substitute teacher and
[3:26] Speaker 1: middle school volleyball coach. Following her death, her school community
[3:30] Speaker 1: remembered her warmth, kindness, and positive influence on the students.
[3:35] Speaker 1: All right, so that's a little background on Caleb and Ashley.
[3:39] Speaker 1: So it's always the pastor. What is up with pastors?
[3:42] Speaker 1: It's not always the pastor. It's the pastor. What is
[3:45] Speaker 1: up with that? Sometimes it's the crazy wife. These religious
[3:48] Speaker 1: men that... go up and stand in front of congregations
[3:53] Speaker 1: and talk about morality and ethics and then commit murder.
[3:57] Speaker 1: There was the other pastor. Remember the angels landing. He
[4:00] Speaker 1: was a pastor too. Remember he's the one that pushed
[4:02] Speaker 1: his wife off the cliff. What about death of a
[4:05] Speaker 1: pastor's wife?
[4:06] Speaker 2: Yes.
[4:07] Speaker 1: That was a pastor. That was JP Miller. All right,
[4:10] Speaker 1: now we get to February 16th of 2026. So Caleb
[4:14] Speaker 1: calls 911 in the middle of the night and reports
[4:16] Speaker 1: that an intruder had broken into the family's home and
[4:19] Speaker 1: shot Ashley twice in the back of the head while
[4:21] Speaker 1: she was sleeping. And where was he? He claims that
[4:25] Speaker 1: he was in his daughter. He has two daughters. He
[4:27] Speaker 1: claims he was in their bedroom. That's very convenient, right?
[4:30] Speaker 1: He's a very lucky man. Yes. He just happened to
[4:32] Speaker 1: not be in the bed at the time. Officers respond
[4:36] Speaker 1: to the reported burglary and shooting and Ashley is found
[4:39] Speaker 1: dead in her bed with no evidence of a struggle.
[4:43] Speaker 1: Caleb and the couple's two daughters are also inside when
[4:46] Speaker 1: police arrive and police began investigating the circumstances surrounding the shooting.
[4:51] Speaker 2: See, this is a problem because he failed to create
[4:56] Speaker 2: some type of motive. Just a random intruder came in
[4:59] Speaker 2: and shot.
[5:00] Speaker 1: That's what he says. Yeah, I know, but he failed
[5:03] Speaker 1: to create a story. So I do know, so he
[5:06] Speaker 1: calls 911 and they did play the 911 recording in court.
[5:10] Speaker 1: So I believe like right in the beginning of his trial.
[5:13] Speaker 1: And he acts all emotional when they're playing the 911 recording.
[5:16] Speaker 1: And also they have, I've saw- Acts emotional? Well, I mean, he's-
[5:21] Speaker 1: I know, that's how you said it. You said he acted.
[5:23] Speaker 1: He acts emotional. Also, I saw police body cam footage of,
[5:28] Speaker 1: he calls his mother-in-law, Ashley's mom, and tells her, That
[5:32] Speaker 1: Ashley's been shot and she drives to their house and
[5:35] Speaker 1: it shows and there's body cam footage of him going
[5:37] Speaker 1: up to his mother-in-law and hugging her when she, you know,
[5:40] Speaker 1: arrives at the home. Seems pretty legitimate. Crying and throwing up.
[5:46] Speaker 1: So they do know that she was shot with a
[5:48] Speaker 1: nine millimeter handgun. Yeah. They find the casings and he
[5:52] Speaker 1: owns a nine millimeter gun and he keeps it in
[5:55] Speaker 1: the console of his truck. So then police are searching
[5:59] Speaker 1: the house. They find that the console of his truck
[6:01] Speaker 1: is open, but there's no gun in it. The gun
[6:05] Speaker 1: is gone. Oh, wow. And the murder weapon is never found. Well,
[6:09] Speaker 1: what's his story with where his gun is? He claims,
[6:12] Speaker 1: I believe, that the intruder must have taken it from
[6:15] Speaker 1: the console of his truck and used his gun.
[6:20] Speaker 2: So this burglar uses the weapons of the victim.
[6:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, of him. But the burglar would have to know
[6:27] Speaker 1: that he keeps a 9mm in the console of his truck. Anyway,
[6:32] Speaker 1: this is interesting to me, though. The murder weapon was
[6:34] Speaker 1: never found. So what could he have possibly done with it?
[6:40] Speaker 1: So that they cannot find it and they do not
[6:43] Speaker 1: recover it.
[6:43] Speaker 2: Oh, it could be one of a million things. Yeah.
[6:46] Speaker 2: He could have just dropped it off in the lake,
[6:48] Speaker 2: could have tossed it in a dumpster.
[6:50] Speaker 1: I mean, anything. He just got lucky and they didn't
[6:52] Speaker 1: find it. Yeah, but wouldn't forensics on his phone show
[6:57] Speaker 1: like his path? Like after he, if he left the house,
[7:02] Speaker 1: would it have shown that? Can you see that on
[7:04] Speaker 1: a phone? I don't know. He could have hid it well.
[7:09] Speaker 1: And then got rid of it. And then later dumped it, yeah. Yeah,
[7:11] Speaker 1: that's true. If he hit it really well that night
[7:14] Speaker 1: and then got rid of it later. They searched the house.
[7:16] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[7:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[7:18] Speaker 1: Right. But come on.
[7:21] Speaker 2: The armrest or whatever was open and his gun was missing.
[7:28] Speaker 1: It's one thing if his gun was just missing. Okay.
[7:31] Speaker 2: I mean, this will be suspicious, but you'd be like, okay,
[7:33] Speaker 2: that can happen. It can be a coincidence, but it
[7:36] Speaker 2: could also happen. But the armrest is open or whatever.
[7:39] Speaker 1: The console is open. The console is open, yeah. And
[7:41] Speaker 1: it's gone. And he says he normally keeps it there. Yeah.
[7:44] Speaker 2: And his version of events is someone must have taken
[7:46] Speaker 2: it and used it to kill his wife.
[7:48] Speaker 1: Yeah. And he also claims they came in through like
[7:50] Speaker 1: a side door in the garage. They talk about how
[7:53] Speaker 1: they examined. It looks like it had had a forced entry.
[7:58] Speaker 1: you know, like someone had tried to get through the door,
[8:02] Speaker 1: but it didn't, I think it was like the, the
[8:04] Speaker 1: scrapings or whatever they found on the door were inconsistent
[8:06] Speaker 1: with an actual force entry. It looked more like someone
[8:08] Speaker 1: was just trying to like, you know, make marks on
[8:11] Speaker 1: it to make it look like that. February 19th of 2026,
[8:22] Speaker 1: just three days after Ashley's murder, the tip city police
[8:25] Speaker 1: arrest Caleb in connection with Ashley's death. Authorities allege that
[8:29] Speaker 1: he shot Ashley and altered the crime scene to mislead
[8:32] Speaker 1: investigators into believing that an intruder was responsible. These are
[8:37] Speaker 1: criminal allegations, not findings of guilt. Just to let you know.
[8:41] Speaker 1: So we're just, this is alleged at this point. February
[8:45] Speaker 1: 20th of 2026, Caleb appears in court and pleads not
[8:48] Speaker 1: guilty to the initial charges. A judge sets his bond
[8:52] Speaker 1: at 2 million. His defense subsequently questions. I love that.
[8:55] Speaker 1: I love that when it's like, He pleads not guilty.
[9:00] Speaker 1: And it's just like, yeah, right. Two million bucks. You're
[9:03] Speaker 1: not going anywhere, bud. His defense subsequently questions the speed
[9:08] Speaker 1: of the investigation while police defend their investigative process. We
[9:13] Speaker 1: get to March 18th of 2026. Caleb Flynn is indicted
[9:16] Speaker 1: on 11 charges total, including one count of aggravated murder,
[9:20] Speaker 1: three counts of murder, two counts of felonious assault, three
[9:24] Speaker 1: counts of tampering with evidence. I did three counts of
[9:26] Speaker 1: murder in one body. I don't know. Why three counts
[9:29] Speaker 1: of murder? I don't know. Three counts of tampering with
[9:32] Speaker 1: evidence and two misdemeanor counts of intimidation of an attorney, victim,
[9:37] Speaker 1: or witness in a criminal case. I don't know what
[9:40] Speaker 1: that is, but I think that will probably come out
[9:42] Speaker 1: in trial later because I don't know the details on
[9:44] Speaker 1: the intimidation of an attorney. But that will be interesting because... Yeah,
[9:47] Speaker 1: who's the attorney? His own? I don't know. On March
[9:51] Speaker 1: 19th of 2026, Caleb appears for arraignment following his indictment.
[9:55] Speaker 1: His attorney enters a not guilty plea and the court
[9:59] Speaker 1: raises his... bond to three and a half million. They're like,
[10:02] Speaker 1: you're really not going anywhere. All right, we get to
[10:06] Speaker 1: May of 2026 and the court reschedules Caleb's trial for
[10:10] Speaker 1: September 17th. His trial had originally been scheduled to begin
[10:14] Speaker 1: in May. We do know his trial just began on
[10:16] Speaker 1: September 17th of 2026. Jury selection begins in Miami County.
[10:22] Speaker 1: Attorneys question prospective jurors before a jury is seated. And
[10:26] Speaker 1: then opening statements are scheduled for the following morning, which
[10:29] Speaker 1: is September 18th. I actually watched the opening statements because
[10:34] Speaker 1: it was interesting. I wanted to see what they both
[10:37] Speaker 1: had to say. Yeah, what they had to say. So
[10:39] Speaker 1: prosecutors and defense attorneys deliver their opening statements. According to
[10:43] Speaker 1: the Miami County prosecutor, Paul Watkins, Caleb Flynn carried on
[10:47] Speaker 1: a years-long affair. So this was interesting because people were
[10:51] Speaker 1: speculating whether he was having an affair or not. It
[10:54] Speaker 1: was confirmed immediately in the prosecutor's opening statement. He talks
[10:58] Speaker 1: about how he's having like a year's long affair and
[11:01] Speaker 1: that there are roughly 100,000 text messages between him and
[11:06] Speaker 1: his mistress, including the prosecutor reads them. And I thought
[11:13] Speaker 1: this was probably a hundred thousand. Well, he doesn't read
[11:16] Speaker 1: a hundred thousand. No, I know, but that's insane. Yeah.
[11:18] Speaker 1: So there's over a hundred thousand messages between him and
[11:21] Speaker 1: his mistress, but then the prosecutor reads, um, the good ones,
[11:26] Speaker 1: the good ones and his opening statement, which I thought
[11:28] Speaker 1: was probably a pretty smart thing to do because you
[11:30] Speaker 1: immediately established that this guy is a POS, like right
[11:34] Speaker 1: from the get go. What does the text message say?
[11:36] Speaker 1: So he exchanges texts with his mistress, allegedly including him
[11:40] Speaker 1: brooding over ways to get rid of his wife of
[11:42] Speaker 1: nearly 16 years without facing consequences. He says something to
[11:46] Speaker 1: the effect of how I want to kill her, but
[11:50] Speaker 1: I'm afraid I'll go to hell. Like he says in
[11:52] Speaker 1: a text message, I want to kill my wife, but
[11:54] Speaker 1: I'm afraid I'll go to hell. I guess that's the
[11:56] Speaker 1: pastor in him. That's like. Yeah. He's showing that he
[11:59] Speaker 1: has morals. Right. But I'll go to hell. But for
[12:02] Speaker 1: the hell factor, I would kill my wife. The prosecutor
[12:06] Speaker 1: also told jurors that in one message, Flynn said he
[12:09] Speaker 1: would do it without hesitation if it didn't cost him spiritually.
[12:13] Speaker 1: Then summed up his state of mind. This is how
[12:16] Speaker 1: dark and hateful I feel. The prosecutor says the messages
[12:19] Speaker 1: were sent only months before Ashley Flynn died. There's also
[12:23] Speaker 1: text messages that are sent the day before her death.
[12:28] Speaker 1: So she dies on February 16th of 2026. On February 15th,
[12:30] Speaker 1: he texts his mistress. And says something to the effect
[12:37] Speaker 1: of tomorrow I'll be free. I've decided it's you. I
[12:41] Speaker 1: pick you. We're going to be together. Tomorrow's like the
[12:45] Speaker 1: big day. I just got to pick out a casket.
[12:47] Speaker 1: I'm good to go. Right. So he texts with her
[12:50] Speaker 1: about like this reckoning day on February 16th, which is
[12:53] Speaker 1: the day his wife is shot. Then the defense comes up.
[12:58] Speaker 1: and gives their opening statement. And I'm thinking, how do
[13:00] Speaker 1: you defend this guy? Like, it's almost embarrassing at this
[13:02] Speaker 1: point to defend this guy. I mean, the prosecutor stood
[13:04] Speaker 1: there and basically read text messages to the jury where
[13:08] Speaker 1: this guy's having an affair talking about how he's thinking
[13:10] Speaker 1: he's trying to come up with ways to kill his wife. Right.
[13:13] Speaker 1: Then the defense attorney gets up and she basically, I mean,
[13:16] Speaker 1: all you can do is try to point out that
[13:20] Speaker 1: because you're having an affair doesn't mean that you're a murderer.
[13:23] Speaker 1: Because he's a dirtbag. Right. It does not mean he
[13:25] Speaker 1: killed her. Right. So basically she does the whole spiel
[13:28] Speaker 1: that defense attorneys do. He's a church going man. How
[13:30] Speaker 1: could he have killed her? Yes. He might not be
[13:33] Speaker 1: a good husband. And yes, he's having an affair. He
[13:36] Speaker 1: might fantasize about killing her.
[13:38] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[13:38] Speaker 1: But he's, you know, but it doesn't make him a murderer. Right.
[13:42] Speaker 1: My client does not want to go to hell. The
[13:45] Speaker 1: defense disputes the prosecution's case and argues that the relationship
[13:48] Speaker 1: evidence does not establish that Caleb committed murder. They also
[13:52] Speaker 1: claim that key physical evidence is missing, including an eyewitness
[13:56] Speaker 1: surveillance footage and gunshot residue tying Flynn to the shooting.
[14:01] Speaker 1: They claim that there's no like he doesn't have, you know,
[14:04] Speaker 1: gunshot residue on his hands and that there's no eyewitness.
[14:07] Speaker 1: I mean, it's the middle of the night. Where's the eyewitness?
[14:09] Speaker 1: I mean, the daughters are asleep, right? And they're in
[14:11] Speaker 1: their bedroom. This is dead. There's no surveillance footage. Well, obviously,
[14:16] Speaker 1: I mean, if he's going to have he's going to
[14:17] Speaker 1: say an intruder came in, I'm sure that if they
[14:21] Speaker 1: have a ring camera, it's probably shut off. I don't know.
[14:24] Speaker 1: But there's nothing that captures anyone around the house. I
[14:29] Speaker 1: do know that because he said there was an intruder
[14:31] Speaker 1: that the police had dogs and they did something with
[14:36] Speaker 1: drones where some infrared thing where you can fly it
[14:38] Speaker 1: around and you can see if there's any, you know,
[14:41] Speaker 1: like warm bodies in the vicinity, something like that. Do
[14:44] Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about? Well, I never heard
[14:46] Speaker 1: of that, but sounds okay. Yeah. So because he said
[14:48] Speaker 1: it was an intruder, they, they did that. They were
[14:50] Speaker 1: like searching for an intruder and obviously they found nothing
[14:55] Speaker 1: that would indicate that there was any kind of intruder.
[15:06] Speaker 1: Witness testimony begins and the courtroom has shown police body
[15:09] Speaker 1: camera footage from the response to the Flynn home. I
[15:12] Speaker 1: saw some of that. That's where it shows him, you know,
[15:16] Speaker 1: grieving and then he's throwing up and then he calls
[15:18] Speaker 1: the mother-in-law and then she comes over. He's going to
[15:21] Speaker 1: go to hell.
[15:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[15:22] Speaker 1: And then he hugs the mother-in-law and you know, he's sad.
[15:26] Speaker 1: I do. I did read that. I don't, I'm not
[15:28] Speaker 1: sure how old his two daughters are. I believe they're
[15:30] Speaker 1: preteen kind of age, but I believe they're going to testify,
[15:34] Speaker 1: which is interesting because I wonder if they'll testify. Two
[15:38] Speaker 1: loud bangs. And then daddy got in our bed. Right.
[15:40] Speaker 1: I wonder if they'll testify as to where, where he
[15:44] Speaker 1: is in this house. If he was in their bedroom.
[15:46] Speaker 1: I just told you what they're going to testify to you.
[15:49] Speaker 1: All right, so we get to September 21 2026. The
[15:52] Speaker 1: first witness is called and it's the Ohio Bureau of
[15:55] Speaker 1: Criminal Investigation Special Agent David Hammond. He testified that the
[16:00] Speaker 1: damage to the garage side door was inconsistent with what
[16:03] Speaker 1: he had seen in hundreds of home burglaries. This bears
[16:07] Speaker 1: directly on the prosecution's claim that the break in was staged.
[16:11] Speaker 1: So basically, this is what I was saying is he's
[16:14] Speaker 1: He claims that it just looks like someone was trying
[16:16] Speaker 1: to make markings. As if someone didn't really break in
[16:19] Speaker 1: that way. Right. They just marked it up. Right. So
[16:22] Speaker 1: if you're going to stage a crime scene, you need
[16:24] Speaker 1: to actually stage it like. Commit the crime. You have
[16:27] Speaker 1: to commit the crime. Break in the house. You have
[16:29] Speaker 1: to break in the door. Right. You can't just go
[16:31] Speaker 1: get a screwdriver.
[16:32] Speaker 2: And we've seen this many times. Don't bust the window
[16:36] Speaker 2: from the inside of the house.
[16:37] Speaker 1: Right. Do it from the outside. As if you're breaking in.
[16:40] Speaker 2: Right.
[16:40] Speaker 1: That's a good rule. Also, if you're going to make
[16:44] Speaker 1: it look like an intruder came into your home and
[16:46] Speaker 1: busted through the door, then actually go lock the door,
[16:50] Speaker 1: go around to the side and actually break the door down.
[16:53] Speaker 1: Don't retroactively go back with like a screwdriver and then
[16:56] Speaker 1: try to make markings on the door. Right. Because they
[16:58] Speaker 1: figure that stuff out.
[16:59] Speaker 2: Right.
[17:00] Speaker 1: Yes. And don't buy anything at Walmart. And don't buy
[17:02] Speaker 1: your murder kit at Walmart. All right. The trial remains
[17:06] Speaker 1: ongoing and is expected to run about two weeks. I
[17:09] Speaker 1: am so interested in to see, like, what is the
[17:12] Speaker 1: defense going to put on? Like, what witnesses are you
[17:14] Speaker 1: going to put on for the defense? I mean, basically
[17:18] Speaker 1: her defense is just because he's having an affair. It's
[17:20] Speaker 1: not all witnesses. I mean, yeah, I guess it is.
[17:22] Speaker 1: You could challenge....
[17:25] Speaker 2: The prosecution's witnesses. Yeah, whatever the findings are, the allegations are.
[17:28] Speaker 1: Well, you just want reasonable doubt, right? So basically, all
[17:31] Speaker 1: she can do is poke holes in whatever the prosecution
[17:34] Speaker 1: throws up there, right? Right. Jurors are expected to hear
[17:37] Speaker 1: from a range of witnesses, including the woman Flynn was
[17:40] Speaker 1: allegedly having an affair with. First of all, this man, allegedly,
[17:46] Speaker 1: committed murder and shot his wife in the back of
[17:48] Speaker 1: the head. He's got over 100,000 text messages with his mistress.
[17:54] Speaker 1: And messages where he explicitly talks about killing his wife.
[17:58] Speaker 1: How stupid can you be? Why are you staging a
[18:00] Speaker 1: crime scene when you have digital forensic evidence on your
[18:03] Speaker 1: phone that is making you look guilty? And he didn't
[18:06] Speaker 1: even use a burner phone, I bet. No, he used
[18:09] Speaker 1: his own cell phone. Did they even sleep together? Or
[18:12] Speaker 1: is he just texting her all the time? Oh, I
[18:15] Speaker 1: don't know, but she's going to testify. And does that
[18:16] Speaker 1: not take him to hell by having an affair and
[18:18] Speaker 1: breaking the bonds of marriage? No, apparently the affair is fine.
[18:21] Speaker 1: God's okay with that. God's okay with affairs. Just not...
[18:25] Speaker 1: Draws a line at murder. Draws a line at murder.
[18:26] Speaker 1: But he figured out a way to rationalize it. Yeah,
[18:29] Speaker 1: how so? What did he tell him? I don't know.
[18:30] Speaker 1: He did because he... I don't know if he did
[18:33] Speaker 1: because he was throwing up and everything. He was panicky.
[18:35] Speaker 1: He was panicky. He killed his wife. He did kill
[18:38] Speaker 1: his wife. He shot her in the back of the head.
[18:40] Speaker 1: He did. That guy is going to hell. Yeah, he is.
[18:42] Speaker 2: That is the unpardonable sin right there is cold blooded murder.
[18:46] Speaker 1: And that's what that was. But my point is, I
[18:49] Speaker 1: guess what the point I'm trying to make is if
[18:51] Speaker 1: he was going to, if he's thinking about it for
[18:53] Speaker 1: a year, he's texting his mistress, he's going over it
[18:56] Speaker 1: in his head. He's, you know, he's trying to fake
[18:58] Speaker 1: a crime scene. Why are you leaving text messages? Why
[19:01] Speaker 1: are you texting your mistress from your cell phone and
[19:05] Speaker 1: talking about ways that you want to kill your wife?
[19:07] Speaker 1: He scratched up the door jam and he's like, there,
[19:10] Speaker 1: that's it. I'll never get caught. Brilliant. I mean, can
[19:14] Speaker 1: you imagine when they're like, excuse me, sir, we need
[19:16] Speaker 1: to confiscate your phone because we need to look at
[19:19] Speaker 1: your phone and your messages. I mean, can you imagine?
[19:23] Speaker 1: I know. I'm telling you, if I could, had I known.
[19:30] Speaker 2: My career I would have pursued is like phone data.
[19:35] Speaker 2: That's all I would do is just download data from
[19:38] Speaker 2: people's phones.
[19:39] Speaker 1: That would be so fun.
[19:40] Speaker 2: And they'll be like, have you seen anything implicating him
[19:42] Speaker 2: in the murder of his wife?
[19:43] Speaker 1: I'm like, no, but check this out. He's got, look
[19:47] Speaker 1: at his shop history. Look at this. Look at that. Yes.
[19:51] Speaker 1: But you can't do that because we learned that in
[19:53] Speaker 1: the Karen Reed case. No, this isn't admissible. No, but
[19:56] Speaker 1: you can't be sharing. You can't be. Yeah, but you
[19:57] Speaker 1: can't be sharing that information with other people. Why don't
[19:59] Speaker 1: I even have the job to begin with? I'm just
[20:01] Speaker 1: letting you know in case it happens. Okay. My other
[20:03] Speaker 1: point is about the mistress. First of all, I mean,
[20:07] Speaker 1: take out the fact that this woman's dating a married
[20:10] Speaker 1: man with children. I mean, that's awful. However, she's receiving messages.
[20:16] Speaker 1: That's right.
[20:17] Speaker 2: I forgot she's on the receiving end of the death. Yes.
[20:20] Speaker 1: She's getting text messages from this man that she's having
[20:23] Speaker 1: an affair with. Right. Who is telling her that he's
[20:26] Speaker 1: trying to come up with ways to kill his wife
[20:28] Speaker 1: and that he thinks about it all the time.
[20:30] Speaker 2: Which is basically saying, I don't like her, so I'm
[20:32] Speaker 2: going to kill her. Which means if I don't like you,
[20:34] Speaker 2: I might kill you too. What she's saying in return?
[20:38] Speaker 1: I don't know. That hasn't been disclosed. I mean, I
[20:41] Speaker 1: wish I would love to see the entire text chain.
[20:43] Speaker 1: Does she like give him a thumbs up? It's like
[20:46] Speaker 1: the hands clapping, a heart. I don't know. What emojis
[20:50] Speaker 1: is she using? How do you reply to something like that?
[20:53] Speaker 1: What do you say? That's great, honey. I don't know.
[20:55] Speaker 1: Let me know. Here, here's a challenge. Text one of
[20:59] Speaker 1: your friends that you're thinking of killing me. Okay. And
[21:02] Speaker 1: see what they say. Should I text Gina? Yeah. The
[21:04] Speaker 1: same exact verbiage. Should I use it? Should I just
[21:06] Speaker 1: text her? Yeah, copy and paste it. And see how
[21:08] Speaker 1: she replies? See what she says.
[21:10] Speaker 2: Okay.
[21:10] Speaker 1: I'm not putting that on my phone. And then if
[21:12] Speaker 1: I die, that can be used against you. I know.
[21:13] Speaker 1: So I was like, this is not happening. I'm not
[21:15] Speaker 1: even going to do that because... Oh, really?
[21:17] Speaker 2: No.
[21:18] Speaker 1: I mean, it would be funny because I would love
[21:20] Speaker 1: to see what Gina says in reply, but I'm not
[21:22] Speaker 1: doing that because with my luck, the demise of you
[21:25] Speaker 1: will happen. I'll get shot in the back of the
[21:26] Speaker 1: head in the middle of the night. Yeah. But again,
[21:30] Speaker 1: why is she getting text messages like this? Is she
[21:33] Speaker 1: elated when she gets these text messages? Is she like, yay,
[21:36] Speaker 1: we're going to be together. I don't know. I mean,
[21:37] Speaker 1: doesn't she think that she has some moral duty to
[21:39] Speaker 1: maybe let someone know that this man is like.
[21:42] Speaker 2: When I see the women like this, or if it's
[21:45] Speaker 2: a man, but in this case, it's a woman. All
[21:47] Speaker 2: I think is that is a loyal woman. That woman
[21:51] Speaker 2: will do anything for this man.
[21:52] Speaker 1: I guess. No wonder why he's in love with her.
[21:55] Speaker 1: But she's going to testify against him. Is she?
[21:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[21:57] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, because she's got to save her own butt. Well,
[22:01] Speaker 1: because she looks bad. She looks really bad. So maybe
[22:03] Speaker 1: she's going to try to redeem herself on the stand.
[22:06] Speaker 1: I don't know. I just want to know what kind
[22:08] Speaker 1: of woman, one, has an affair with a married man,
[22:10] Speaker 1: and then two, receives text messages like that and doesn't
[22:13] Speaker 1: feel some moral obligation. This is like Death of a
[22:14] Speaker 1: Pastor's Wife, the sequel.
[22:16] Speaker 2: It is.
[22:17] Speaker 1: It's very interesting. That could be a whole series, Death
[22:20] Speaker 1: of a Pastor's Wife. We could just go find all
[22:22] Speaker 1: the cases where a pastor has killed his wife. Next
[22:27] Speaker 1: spinoff on Legally Brunette. All right. Thank you guys for listening.
[22:30] Speaker 1: Till death do us part. We appreciate it. If you
[22:33] Speaker 1: have any recommendations for cases for till death, please find
[22:37] Speaker 1: me on Instagram and let me know. There's an endless
[22:39] Speaker 1: plethora of cases out there of husbands offing their wives. 50%
[22:45] Speaker 1: of the marriages end up in divorce. Yeah.
[22:47] Speaker 2: It's like the other 50% are like murder.
[22:49] Speaker 1: And death. right that's just never ending we there's just
[22:52] Speaker 1: always something to talk about on this podcast so anyway
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