# Legally Brunette: End of the Month Recap - Lori Hacking, Christa Pike & Ian Diaz

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 2 Sep 2026, 18 min.

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Emily and Shane are recapping this month’s true crime cases. From pastors to satanic rituals and fake doctors to scorned daughters… See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Hi, guys. Welcome to Legally Brunette. I'll be your host today,
[0:04] Speaker 1: Emily Simpson. And I'm sorry.
[0:07] Speaker 2: Shane.
[0:08] Speaker 1: You have to have an and or a when.
[0:10] Speaker 2: You always forget.
[0:10] Speaker 1: I don't always forget. All right. We are going to
[0:13] Speaker 1: do today an end of the month recap where we're
[0:16] Speaker 1: just going to go through and talk a little bit
[0:17] Speaker 1: about all the cases that we recorded on this month.
[0:21] Speaker 1: First of all, we're going to talk about the story
[0:25] Speaker 1: of that. This is a toxic love story, which was
[0:28] Speaker 1: Ian Diaz and Angela Diaz and Michelle Hadley. Remember, let
[0:33] Speaker 1: me jog your memory. First of all, we recorded this
[0:35] Speaker 1: one in the Bahamas. Second of all, he was the
[0:38] Speaker 1: Disney adult. Does that ring a bell now? No.
[0:40] Speaker 2: Disney adult?
[0:41] Speaker 1: Yes. Remember, he was the Disney adult. He was obsessed
[0:44] Speaker 1: with Disney, and then they bought the condo right across
[0:46] Speaker 1: from Disney so they could see the fireworks.
[0:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
[0:50] Speaker 1: All right. So Ian Diaz was the U.S. deputy marshal
[0:54] Speaker 1: who conspired with his wife, Angela, to fabricate an entire
[0:59] Speaker 1: stalking campaign framing his innocent ex-wife, Michelle Hadley. Do you
[1:03] Speaker 1: remember Michelle spent three months in jail for crimes she
[1:06] Speaker 1: never committed? And remember, when I watched the documentary, I
[1:10] Speaker 1: couldn't figure out why she was in jail and why
[1:12] Speaker 1: she didn't get out on bond. And then I did
[1:14] Speaker 1: some further research and it was, remember her parents said
[1:17] Speaker 1: to her, we only have so much money.
[1:20] Speaker 2: So we can- And you stay in jail. Right. Or
[1:24] Speaker 2: you can get out and you can use a.
[1:26] Speaker 1: A public defender or whatever. And she said, I'm going
[1:29] Speaker 1: to stay in jail and you hire an attorney. Remember
[1:32] Speaker 1: they hired an amazing attorney who did all that research,
[1:35] Speaker 1: all that forensic and digital research to put everything together
[1:41] Speaker 1: to prove that he was actually the one behind the
[1:44] Speaker 1: cyber stalking.
[1:45] Speaker 2: That's right.
[1:47] Speaker 1: Angela lied to her ex-boyfriend about having cancer. Do you
[1:49] Speaker 1: remember that part? She was the... She was the new wife.
[1:53] Speaker 1: And they lived in the condo. And I really believe
[1:56] Speaker 1: this whole motive came down to they just didn't want
[1:59] Speaker 1: to have to sell the condo. Yeah. They just wanted
[2:03] Speaker 1: to stay there and live there.
[2:04] Speaker 2: Didn't she put up the money, the deposit, too?
[2:06] Speaker 1: She did. But then she also got a court order
[2:08] Speaker 1: that said if it didn't sell by a certain point
[2:12] Speaker 1: or if they didn't figure it out by a certain point,
[2:14] Speaker 1: I believe they had to sell it and split the
[2:16] Speaker 1: proceeds or something like that. But I don't think there
[2:17] Speaker 1: really was any equity in it. I don't think he
[2:19] Speaker 1: wanted to move. So instead of moving, I believe he
[2:22] Speaker 1: came up with this plan of cyber stalking. Remember he started.
[2:26] Speaker 2: Sending the emails? That sounds about right.
[2:29] Speaker 1: And the woman that he was married to, Angela, had
[2:32] Speaker 1: lied to her ex-boyfriend about having cancer and lied about
[2:35] Speaker 1: being pregnant with Ian's twins and lied about having a
[2:38] Speaker 1: job and lied about being an attorney. This is so stressful.
[2:41] Speaker 2: These people living these lives.
[2:43] Speaker 1: Right.
[2:43] Speaker 2: It seems like it'd be simpler just to go to
[2:45] Speaker 2: work and go home and watch a movie and then
[2:47] Speaker 2: go to bed.
[2:48] Speaker 1: Or just to sell the condo and move on. Yeah.
[2:52] Speaker 1: She also lied about Michelle Hadley coming to her apartment
[2:54] Speaker 1: and assaulting her. I don't know if you remember, but
[2:56] Speaker 1: they posted the fake Craigslist ads asking for someone to
[3:00] Speaker 1: come and R-A-P-E her.
[3:03] Speaker 2: They said it was like a fantasy. Right.
[3:04] Speaker 1: But they were the ones that were actually posting it.
[3:06] Speaker 1: They said Michelle was posting it.
[3:08] Speaker 2: But they make it like it's consensual so this person
[3:10] Speaker 2: can attack her. Right.
[3:12] Speaker 1: I'm still confused how two cons actually end up married
[3:17] Speaker 1: to each other and then end up trying to con Michelle.
[3:21] Speaker 1: Did Ian know that Angela was such a liar that
[3:24] Speaker 1: she had conned people about having cancer, that she was
[3:27] Speaker 1: lying to him currently about... Remember she told him she
[3:29] Speaker 1: was pregnant with twins?
[3:30] Speaker 2: Yes.
[3:31] Speaker 1: Did he believe that? Was the conner being conned? You
[3:35] Speaker 1: know what I mean?
[3:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
[3:36] Speaker 1: Like he's trying to con Michelle.
[3:38] Speaker 2: Right.
[3:39] Speaker 1: But he's married to Angela and Angela's conning him.
[3:42] Speaker 2: Do these people have jobs? Like do they go to
[3:45] Speaker 2: work and then forget about all these things and then
[3:48] Speaker 2: actually like run the transaction or complete the email?
[3:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a U.S. Deputy Marshal, but not anymore. So
[3:54] Speaker 1: he was actually sentenced. He was found guilty of, I
[3:57] Speaker 1: don't know, like cyberstalking or something.
[3:59] Speaker 2: It's always the cyberstalking.
[4:01] Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to another case we did.
[4:03] Speaker 1: This was David Vandermeer, and he was a former Las
[4:06] Speaker 1: Vegas youth pastor. We've done some pastors this month.
[4:09] Speaker 2: Is this the Angels Landing guy?
[4:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, whose wife Bernadette had died in 2006 from a
[4:14] Speaker 1: fall at Angels Landing in Zion National Park. It was
[4:18] Speaker 1: ruled an accident at the time. However, nearly 20 years later,
[4:22] Speaker 1: authorities reopened the case and charged him with her murder,
[4:25] Speaker 1: believing that he had pushed her. Before he could appear
[4:28] Speaker 1: in court, Vandermeer died by suicide in jail. He had
[4:32] Speaker 1: lived lavishly off of her $ 600, 000 insurance policy. Remember we
[4:37] Speaker 1: talked about this when we did the case that I
[4:38] Speaker 1: was confused that the insurance company paid out so quickly.
[4:42] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Usually when there's suspicious circumstances
[4:44] Speaker 1: or someone takes out a policy, like right before she
[4:47] Speaker 1: fell off of Angel's Landing, my thought was that the
[4:52] Speaker 1: insurance companies usually are like, hold up, we're not going
[4:55] Speaker 1: to pay out until... There's more investigation.
[4:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's their money. You'd think they want to
[5:00] Speaker 2: get out of it.
[5:01] Speaker 1: But they paid pretty quickly because he was spending that
[5:04] Speaker 1: $ 600, 000 insurance policy like that.
[5:08] Speaker 2: It goes to show you I think insurance companies make
[5:09] Speaker 2: a lot of money.
[5:11] Speaker 1: What, that they just paid $ 600, 000 and they just forgot
[5:13] Speaker 1: about it?
[5:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, then I get a little fender bender and all
[5:16] Speaker 2: of a sudden they're like making a big deal about it. Right.
[5:19] Speaker 2: Remember that one time you hit my car?
[5:21] Speaker 1: Which time? I feel like there's no more than one.
[5:24] Speaker 2: The last time.
[5:24] Speaker 1: The last time.
[5:25] Speaker 2: The last time.
[5:26] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. All right. So another case we talked about
[5:29] Speaker 1: was the murder of Lori Hacking. You liked this case.
[5:32] Speaker 1: This was the case that you liked.
[5:34] Speaker 2: It's not like I like the case. You mean like
[5:36] Speaker 2: this is the kind of murder I like?
[5:37] Speaker 1: No, this is terrible. No, I'm talking about this was
[5:39] Speaker 1: your suggestion, your recommendation. You were familiar with this case.
[5:43] Speaker 1: This was Mark Hacking.
[5:45] Speaker 2: I respect people that pretend to go to medical school.
[5:47] Speaker 1: You do. You respect the effort it took to pretend.
[5:51] Speaker 2: I didn't even pretend to go to medical school. This
[5:53] Speaker 2: guy did. He's accomplished something more in the medical field
[5:55] Speaker 2: than I have.
[5:56] Speaker 1: He has. Yes. In 2004, Mark Hacking shot his pregnant wife, Lori,
[6:00] Speaker 1: while she slept, then dumped her body after she was
[6:04] Speaker 1: about to discover that he'd fabricated his entire academic and
[6:07] Speaker 1: medical school career. He pleaded guilty and was paroled in 2017.
[6:12] Speaker 2: He pretended to graduate from the University of Utah.
[6:15] Speaker 1: First, yes.
[6:15] Speaker 2: And then he pretended to apply to medical schools. And
[6:18] Speaker 2: then he pretended that he got accepted to a medical school.
[6:21] Speaker 1: Right.
[6:21] Speaker 2: And then she calls the medical school, which was, I think,
[6:26] Speaker 2: in South Carolina. All roads lead to South Carolina.
[6:29] Speaker 1: No, it was North Carolina.
[6:30] Speaker 2: North Carolina.
[6:30] Speaker 1: Because it was Chapel Hill.
[6:32] Speaker 2: And then she finds out, you know, because she's just
[6:34] Speaker 2: trying to figure out, like, housing arrangements and all these
[6:36] Speaker 2: regular things that she should be doing. And that's good
[6:38] Speaker 2: for her. And then come to find that he never
[6:42] Speaker 2: applied and all that stuff, never even graduated. Like, he
[6:44] Speaker 2: was on record for nothing.
[6:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[6:46] Speaker 2: So then she confronts him about it. And then he
[6:49] Speaker 2: says it's a technical error. And then I think she
[6:53] Speaker 2: found out from University of Utah that he never even
[6:54] Speaker 2: graduated from there. So then she goes to him, backed
[6:56] Speaker 2: him for that. And then I think that's the night.
[6:59] Speaker 2: Because she says, no, we're going to leave. He says,
[7:01] Speaker 2: let's go to the CVS and talk it out. So
[7:03] Speaker 2: they walk to the store.
[7:04] Speaker 1: Get a candy bar.
[7:05] Speaker 2: Then they come back and that's when he kills her
[7:07] Speaker 2: because then he went, I think he went back to
[7:08] Speaker 2: the store without her.
[7:09] Speaker 1: And he was alone. Yeah.
[7:10] Speaker 2: And then, and they bought a new mattress and all
[7:12] Speaker 2: that stuff.
[7:12] Speaker 1: I was going to say, my takeaway from this case
[7:14] Speaker 1: was after you shoot your wife in the head, don't
[7:16] Speaker 1: go buy a new mattress while the police are looking
[7:19] Speaker 1: for her body. Right. Probably not smart. Also, we talked
[7:24] Speaker 1: about the scorned daughter, the case of Jennifer Pan. Jennifer
[7:28] Speaker 1: Pan had spent years lying to her strict parents about
[7:31] Speaker 1: her education and career. It seems to be a theme
[7:33] Speaker 1: this month with lying about education and career. And hid
[7:37] Speaker 1: a boyfriend from them that they had hated. When they
[7:40] Speaker 1: discovered the truth in 2010, they cut her off and
[7:43] Speaker 1: she hired hitmen to kill both of her parents. Her
[7:47] Speaker 1: mother died. Her father survived. And Jennifer was convicted of
[7:52] Speaker 1: first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison. Jennifer Pan
[7:56] Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to manslaughter in 2026 and an agreed statement
[8:00] Speaker 1: of facts says that while she did plot to kill
[8:03] Speaker 1: her father, she did not intend to kill her mother.
[8:07] Speaker 1: I guess that's how she got it down to manslaughter
[8:09] Speaker 1: from murder was just the intent that she didn't intend
[8:13] Speaker 1: because her mother died, but the intent wasn't to kill
[8:16] Speaker 1: her mother. They shot both of them.
[8:18] Speaker 2: They hit men. I know. That's lame because... I mean,
[8:22] Speaker 2: isn't it foreseeable that other people might die when you
[8:25] Speaker 2: arrange for someone to be shot and killed?
[8:26] Speaker 1: When you leave the front door open and you hire
[8:28] Speaker 1: hitmen to come into your house and kill your father?
[8:31] Speaker 2: I mean, that's foreseeable. Therefore, she should be fully responsible. Right.
[8:34] Speaker 1: And first of all, I don't think for one second
[8:36] Speaker 1: that she hired hitmen to come into the house and
[8:38] Speaker 1: only kill her father. There's no way. Because her mother
[8:41] Speaker 1: would be a witness.
[8:42] Speaker 2: Right. So.
[8:43] Speaker 1: she clearly the plan was to to take out both
[8:46] Speaker 1: of her parents right and she wanted free from them
[8:48] Speaker 1: she wanted financial freedom from them she wanted to be
[8:51] Speaker 1: able to date the boyfriend she wanted to do all
[8:53] Speaker 1: the things also we talked about the texas trophy wife
[9:04] Speaker 1: celeste beard johnson So Celeste Beard Johnson married wealthy Texas
[9:09] Speaker 1: TV executive Stephen Beard and then convinced her lesbian lover,
[9:13] Speaker 1: Tracy Tarleton, to shoot him while he was asleep in 1999.
[9:19] Speaker 1: I felt sorry for Stephen Beard. He seemed like a nice,
[9:22] Speaker 1: jolly man to me. He was like a self-made man.
[9:24] Speaker 1: Remember he bought like a TV station and made it successful.
[9:28] Speaker 1: He had been married to the same woman. wife for
[9:30] Speaker 1: like 45 years or something and then and he had
[9:33] Speaker 1: adult children and then she died of cancer right.
[9:35] Speaker 2: And then he he just wanted companionship and he got
[9:38] Speaker 2: taken advantage of yeah.
[9:39] Speaker 1: He meets celeste and we talked about how she probably
[9:41] Speaker 1: most likely worked at that um what am i trying
[9:44] Speaker 1: to say where do fancy people go country club it
[9:46] Speaker 1: was like a fancy country club she was a waitress
[9:48] Speaker 1: or something and well i don't.
[9:50] Speaker 2: Know where fancy people go yes in the wrong person.
[9:52] Speaker 1: We're clearly not fancy um i couldn't even think of country.
[9:56] Speaker 2: Club yeah you know um what would happen if like
[10:01] Speaker 2: Celeste met someone like John Paul from The Pastor?
[10:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of what happened with the.
[10:06] Speaker 2: I want those worlds to collide.
[10:07] Speaker 1: You want John Paul and Celeste to meet each other?
[10:10] Speaker 2: I want Celeste to attend the Solid Rock Mercy List,
[10:13] Speaker 2: whatever place that he set up. That would be good TV.
[10:15] Speaker 1: That would be a good reality show.
[10:17] Speaker 2: Let those two people have at it.
[10:19] Speaker 1: We talked about this in the episode, but I watched
[10:22] Speaker 1: a recent interview with Celeste and she was awful. Like
[10:27] Speaker 1: just a horrible person. She has no relationship with her
[10:29] Speaker 1: daughters anymore. Remember they testified against.
[10:31] Speaker 2: Her in court.
[10:33] Speaker 1: Zero accountability, nasty, rude. She flipped the journalist off when
[10:37] Speaker 1: he was asking her questions. I mean, she was just... Awful.
[10:41] Speaker 2: Just a peach, huh?
[10:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, she was. And do you remember, he did not die.
[10:46] Speaker 1: The husband did not die initially from the gunshot wounds.
[10:48] Speaker 1: He died from complications later. And we were talking about
[10:51] Speaker 1: how it's very difficult to prove that causal effect, whether
[10:54] Speaker 1: it's murder or not, because he died from complications of
[10:58] Speaker 1: being shot later. Anyway, the woman that shot him, Tracy,
[11:01] Speaker 1: is actually out now. She's not in prison anymore.
[11:05] Speaker 2: Second chance at life.
[11:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, she... Well, she showed a lot of remorse.
[11:09] Speaker 1: And I think that Celeste was really the mastermind behind
[11:14] Speaker 1: it and had convinced her that she was being abused.
[11:16] Speaker 2: Oh, she was the lesbian lover, right? Yes. That's right.
[11:19] Speaker 2: And she shot him.
[11:20] Speaker 1: Remember, she snuck into the house.
[11:21] Speaker 2: And she believed all of Celeste's stories about the living
[11:24] Speaker 2: conditions and all that.
[11:25] Speaker 1: Right.
[11:26] Speaker 2: She got duped.
[11:27] Speaker 1: Also, we talked about the only woman on Tennessee's death row,
[11:32] Speaker 1: Krista Pike. So in 1995, Krista Pike, who was 18,
[11:36] Speaker 1: lured a fellow student named Colleen Slimmer into the woods
[11:39] Speaker 1: near a Job Corps campus in Knoxville, Tennessee. Motivated by
[11:43] Speaker 1: jealousy over a boyfriend, Krista had two accomplices, and she
[11:47] Speaker 1: tortured and beat Colleen to death, carved a pentagram onto
[11:51] Speaker 1: her chest, and then Krista, do you remember what she kept?
[11:56] Speaker 2: Oh, the skull?
[11:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, she kept a piece of her skull as a trophy.
[12:00] Speaker 2: I wonder if she beat her to get the piece
[12:02] Speaker 2: of skull.
[12:02] Speaker 1: She had to. She had to bash her.
[12:04] Speaker 2: No, but I meant like if she was trying it.
[12:06] Speaker 1: Oh, you mean with that intent? Yeah.
[12:08] Speaker 2: Or if it was just like, you know, by chance.
[12:11] Speaker 1: Maybe. She was convicted and sentenced to death, making her
[12:15] Speaker 1: Tennessee's only woman currently on death row. Her execution date,
[12:20] Speaker 1: I think, is September 30th of this year. And that's
[12:22] Speaker 1: why we wanted to talk about the Krista Pike case
[12:24] Speaker 1: to see if she'll actually be executed today. She's been
[12:27] Speaker 1: using a lot of delay tactics as far as medical
[12:29] Speaker 1: excuses about how, like.
[12:31] Speaker 2: Wouldn't you?
[12:31] Speaker 1: Yeah. I would. Right. Also, remember we also talked about
[12:38] Speaker 1: before how... I was talking about how this law journal
[12:41] Speaker 1: wrote about how she was convicted when she was 18
[12:44] Speaker 1: and how the brain doesn't form until you're really 24,
[12:47] Speaker 1: so she shouldn't be on death row because she was
[12:50] Speaker 1: so young.
[12:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, but then everyone should be given that leniency.
[12:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, but my point was... Mm-hmm. she tried to kill
[12:56] Speaker 1: a woman after that, and then she also seduced the
[12:59] Speaker 1: security guard. So I'm saying she has a long, it's
[13:02] Speaker 1: not just that one act. She has a long history
[13:06] Speaker 1: of violence. Recently, a Tennessee Supreme Court investigator concluded that
[13:13] Speaker 1: Krista Pike failed to prove the state's execution method would
[13:16] Speaker 1: violate her constitutional rights, and her attorneys had argued her
[13:20] Speaker 1: health conditions put her at risk of an inhumane death.
[13:24] Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to talk about an inhumane death
[13:26] Speaker 1: when you know that Krista Pike beat that girl to death,
[13:31] Speaker 1: tortured her, carved a pentagram into her chest, and then
[13:34] Speaker 1: beat her skull so badly that she broke a piece
[13:38] Speaker 1: of her skull off and then kept it as a
[13:40] Speaker 1: trophy and showed it to people. But then now we
[13:43] Speaker 1: have to have conversations about whether her death is humane
[13:46] Speaker 1: or not. I guess that's because we have to remain
[13:48] Speaker 1: a civilized society today. And if we're going to put
[13:51] Speaker 1: people to death, we have to do it.
[13:52] Speaker 2: Does that disappoint you?
[13:54] Speaker 1: Well, it does with someone like Krista Pike. I mean,
[13:56] Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like people like that should just not
[13:59] Speaker 1: be living amongst us.
[14:00] Speaker 2: An eye for an eye, right?
[14:02] Speaker 1: Right. Kevin Harper. We met with Kevin Harper. He was
[14:05] Speaker 1: wrongfully convicted of killing his six-month-old son.
[14:09] Speaker 2: I liked Kevin Harper.
[14:10] Speaker 1: I know. Shane really enjoyed our interview with Kevin Harper.
[14:13] Speaker 1: We actually did that interview in person in the iHeartRadio studio.
[14:17] Speaker 1: I like to do those cases in person if we can.
[14:19] Speaker 1: I always feel like it's just more intimate. You can
[14:22] Speaker 1: really have more of a conversation. Kevin Harper was convicted
[14:25] Speaker 1: of killing his six-month-old son based on evidence of shaken
[14:29] Speaker 1: baby syndrome.
[14:30] Speaker 2: Based on junk science of baby shaking syndrome.
[14:33] Speaker 1: Which basically now is not recognized as scientific conclusive evidence.
[14:40] Speaker 1: It's a theory that was presented in the 70s.
[14:42] Speaker 2: Right.
[14:44] Speaker 1: After 13 years in prison, the Northern California Innocence Project
[14:48] Speaker 1: secured his release in 2022 as the science behind shaken
[14:52] Speaker 1: baby syndrome diagnosis has come into question. Kevin had always
[14:57] Speaker 1: maintained his innocence throughout his trial and prison sentence, and
[15:01] Speaker 1: he received his associate's degree and made himself a model prisoner.
[15:05] Speaker 1: The Innocence Project managed to free Kevin, but he wasn't
[15:07] Speaker 1: officially pronounced innocent because they didn't want to risk going
[15:10] Speaker 1: through another trial. That was an interesting conversation you had
[15:13] Speaker 1: with him where you were talking about on one hand, right?
[15:17] Speaker 1: You have that dilemma where you have to just admit
[15:20] Speaker 1: to something in order to be free, right?
[15:24] Speaker 2: It had come up because Terrell Swift, if I remember correctly,
[15:29] Speaker 2: that person had to go to these group meetings while
[15:32] Speaker 2: they were out of prison and they had to admit
[15:36] Speaker 2: and like be remorseful and all this stuff. And he
[15:39] Speaker 2: was like, I didn't do it. And then he had
[15:42] Speaker 2: the threat of, well, then you're going to have to
[15:43] Speaker 2: go back to jail.
[15:44] Speaker 1: That was a condition of parole. Yeah. Yeah.
[15:47] Speaker 2: It's kind of sad that, you know, well, and I
[15:49] Speaker 2: understand if someone says, well, I can't admit it. Like
[15:51] Speaker 2: I'll go to jail and kind of stand my ground.
[15:55] Speaker 2: Or like Kevin Harper, who said, whose family said, we
[15:58] Speaker 2: want you out.
[15:59] Speaker 1: Yeah. Just get out.
[16:00] Speaker 2: And his grandma said, I want you out before I die.
[16:02] Speaker 1: Right.
[16:02] Speaker 2: Like we know you didn't do it. Right. So who cares?
[16:05] Speaker 1: Right.
[16:05] Speaker 2: And I committed him on that choice because it's like,
[16:09] Speaker 2: I could sit here and be retried and basically possibly
[16:13] Speaker 2: stay in jail forever again. Or I can get out
[16:15] Speaker 2: with certainty right now and be with my family and
[16:19] Speaker 2: start a new life. Yeah. I would have chosen the
[16:21] Speaker 2: latter too.
[16:22] Speaker 1: Exactly.
[16:22] Speaker 2: Understandably tough.
[16:23] Speaker 1: Right. And, um, What an inspiration, though, because he really
[16:27] Speaker 1: moved on and made such a great life.
[16:29] Speaker 2: He's got a career. He's in irrigation. He's moving up,
[16:33] Speaker 2: he said. He was very proud. He's got a fiance.
[16:36] Speaker 2: She has children, I think.
[16:38] Speaker 1: And he has a daughter. Yeah.
[16:40] Speaker 2: He has a daughter who he said has always been
[16:41] Speaker 2: with him and will never believe anything but that he's
[16:45] Speaker 2: a great father. So he's like, that's not an issue
[16:47] Speaker 2: with me and her. Yeah.
[16:49] Speaker 1: And I think he was working on further certificates as
[16:51] Speaker 1: far as education, as far as within that, the water.
[16:54] Speaker 2: Yeah. There was like stage three that he wanted to
[16:56] Speaker 2: work on. Right.
[16:57] Speaker 1: So that was, if you haven't listened to that, that's
[16:59] Speaker 1: such a compelling and interesting and compassion. I don't know.
[17:03] Speaker 1: It's just all.
[17:03] Speaker 2: He even goes as far as saying, if I didn't
[17:05] Speaker 2: go to jail the way I did, I wouldn't have
[17:06] Speaker 2: the job I have today. Yeah. Because he met someone
[17:08] Speaker 2: and met someone and met someone. Right. Right.
[17:11] Speaker 1: All right. Well, that is the end of month recap.
[17:13] Speaker 1: These are all the cases that we talked about. If
[17:14] Speaker 1: you didn't have the opportunity to listen to these episodes,
[17:17] Speaker 1: I would suggest going back and listening to all of
[17:19] Speaker 1: them because they're all exceptional.
[17:21] Speaker 2: They're all five star.
[17:22] Speaker 1: They're all five star review, five stars. All right, guys,
[17:26] Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening to Legally Brunette. Please
[17:29] Speaker 1: follow our feed wherever you listen to podcasts. Also leave
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[17:41] Speaker 1: so much for listening. We appreciate you.

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