# Legally Brunette: The Patrick Clancy Interview

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 22 Sep 2026, 27 min.

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Why was Patrick Clancy’s “60 Minutes” interview just 14 minutes long?! Do we think lawyers got involved? Rachel Danis has officially confirmed her pregnancy. Did this announcement come across as…inappropriate? Plus, what’s our final takeaway after seeing Patrick in this new light? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Hi, guys. Welcome to Legally Brunette. I will be your
[0:04] Speaker 1: host today, Emily Simpson with.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Shane.
[0:07] Speaker 1: Okay, because we have been following the Lindsay Clancy trial,
[0:10] Speaker 1: and we've done three episodes so far on Legally Brunette
[0:13] Speaker 1: covering the trial. Also, by the way, if you haven't
[0:15] Speaker 1: listened to those, I think they're pretty well done. I
[0:18] Speaker 1: think they're pretty good. So, you know, I would suggest
[0:20] Speaker 1: you guys go back and listen to those if you
[0:22] Speaker 1: haven't yet. But because Patrick Clancy has decided to give
[0:26] Speaker 1: a 60-minute interview, we are going to go through his
[0:30] Speaker 1: interview and discuss it. Also, by the way, I was
[0:33] Speaker 1: under the assumption because the interview was on 60 minutes
[0:37] Speaker 1: that I thought his interview would be 60 minutes. So
[0:41] Speaker 1: then when I watched it, it ended up only being
[0:43] Speaker 1: 14 minutes.
[0:44] Speaker 2: I thought it was a bit of a.
[0:45] Speaker 1: I was confused.
[0:46] Speaker 2: It was a... Yeah.
[0:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[0:50] Speaker 2: I was hyped up and it really... Maybe that's why
[0:53] Speaker 2: it's 15 minutes. Maybe they interviewed him for an hour
[0:55] Speaker 2: and like, this isn't that good.
[0:57] Speaker 1: Probably.
[0:57] Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.
[0:58] Speaker 1: So let's talk about it. So Patrick Clancy speaks publicly
[1:02] Speaker 1: for the first time since the Lindsay Clancy trial in
[1:05] Speaker 1: this 60 Minutes interview. Patrick describes noticing Lindsay's deterioration beginning
[1:11] Speaker 1: in October of 2022 when their youngest child, Callan, was
[1:15] Speaker 1: just five months old. He claims that Lindsay stopped sleeping
[1:20] Speaker 1: and sank into severe depression. He admits he was largely unprepared.
[1:25] Speaker 1: I didn't know how to manage a postpartum illness and
[1:27] Speaker 1: believes the deceptive nature of mental illness meant he likely
[1:31] Speaker 1: missed warning signs.
[1:32] Speaker 2: You know, I saw that part. I thought how true
[1:34] Speaker 2: that is.
[1:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:36] Speaker 2: Just people in general.
[1:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:38] Speaker 2: I mean, it's not, it's like she has, any female
[1:43] Speaker 2: has postpartum issues. It's totally valid and serious. But that's not,
[1:51] Speaker 2: and it's not just like, oh, go get help. It's like, well,
[1:53] Speaker 2: then the spouse has to know how to navigate that. Right.
[1:58] Speaker 2: And support them. Like that's, that's, it was kind of sad.
[2:02] Speaker 1: It was.
[2:03] Speaker 2: It was like, oh, you know, he didn't know how,
[2:06] Speaker 2: and I don't know how to either, but he didn't
[2:07] Speaker 2: know how to handle it. So it's like, she goes
[2:10] Speaker 2: and gets treatment, right?
[2:12] Speaker 1: Well, she's trying to get treatment.
[2:13] Speaker 2: Right. Trying to get treatment. And I'm not going to
[2:14] Speaker 2: judge the treatment, whether it was good or bad, but
[2:16] Speaker 2: she's trying to get treatment. And it's like, maybe there
[2:20] Speaker 2: should be treatment for, like the spouse, which is how
[2:24] Speaker 2: to handle it. Because isn't that what they do when
[2:25] Speaker 2: they go to rehab? Then the family also needs to
[2:28] Speaker 2: go to some sort of seminar or some type of
[2:32] Speaker 2: educational thing on how to deal with someone that's sober,
[2:36] Speaker 2: that's a recovering addict. Like that's what, in this case,
[2:41] Speaker 2: the men need.
[2:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
[2:43] Speaker 2: So it's like, okay, here's your prescription. And sir, here's
[2:46] Speaker 2: your prescription. I mean, something.
[2:50] Speaker 1: Over the following months, Lindsay made repeated ER visits, entered
[2:54] Speaker 1: a brief inpatient program, and was prescribed numerous medications. On
[2:57] Speaker 1: New Year's Eve, she checked herself into McLean Psychiatric Hospital
[3:01] Speaker 1: and was treated for depression before being released just days later.
[3:05] Speaker 1: He does talk about, I believe, that she claimed she
[3:09] Speaker 1: wanted to go home. I think that was of her
[3:10] Speaker 1: own accord that she said that she wanted to leave.
[3:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[3:15] Speaker 1: The family celebrated their daughter Cora's birthday on January 7th
[3:18] Speaker 1: and 17 days after that. This is when the unthinkable happened.
[3:22] Speaker 1: So on January 24th of 2023, Patrick came home to
[3:26] Speaker 1: find Lindsay in the backyard, her throat and wrist cut
[3:29] Speaker 1: and paralyzed after jumping from an upstairs window in the basement.
[3:32] Speaker 1: He found Cora and Dawson strangled and dead. And Callan
[3:35] Speaker 1: who was five months old was still alive and was
[3:38] Speaker 1: airlifted to Boston children's hospital. Um, I don't know. You know,
[3:43] Speaker 1: I feel like through this trial, the one thing that
[3:45] Speaker 1: I think bothers me the most is that I feel
[3:48] Speaker 1: like the true victims in this case, the three children,
[3:50] Speaker 1: get lost in all of the social media hype as to,
[3:55] Speaker 1: you know, whether it was investigated correctly, whether Patrick was involved.
[3:58] Speaker 1: Patrick had something to do with it. I feel like
[4:00] Speaker 1: the true victims are lost in all of that.
[4:04] Speaker 2: But what's to be done?
[4:05] Speaker 1: Because I feel like there's just too much focus on
[4:09] Speaker 1: Patrick and his... demeanor and whether he said something correctly
[4:13] Speaker 1: or not, or whether he was stoic or emotional or,
[4:17] Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, it's just,
[4:19] Speaker 1: I feel like there was just a loss of three
[4:21] Speaker 1: children and, you know, these people that are all over,
[4:25] Speaker 1: you know, him as far as him being involved or,
[4:29] Speaker 1: You know, they probably couldn't tell you anything about the
[4:31] Speaker 1: three children, their birthdays or their favorite toy or their
[4:34] Speaker 1: favorite color. I just feel like the victims are so
[4:37] Speaker 1: lost in this that people don't know anything about them.
[4:40] Speaker 1: They're just so, they just want to analyze his every
[4:44] Speaker 1: word and every move.
[4:45] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
[4:47] Speaker 1: Patrick says he arrived at the hospital that night begging
[4:51] Speaker 1: that he claims he said, just give me one, just
[4:53] Speaker 1: give me one kid. But when he saw the doctor's expression,
[4:56] Speaker 1: he knew it would be bad news. I know he
[5:00] Speaker 1: claims that he says that he spent those four days
[5:02] Speaker 1: in the hospital with Callan. Callan's heart kept beating for
[5:07] Speaker 1: four more days. And Patrick describes lying next to him
[5:09] Speaker 1: in the hospital bed, holding his hand and saying, I'm
[5:12] Speaker 1: so sorry. Callan died in his arms. You know, the
[5:16] Speaker 1: people didn't know that, you know, they talk about how
[5:18] Speaker 1: his demeanor on the stand was, you know, stoic or
[5:23] Speaker 1: unemotional or whatever, but they don't, they don't know what
[5:28] Speaker 1: he went through. They don't know what he acted like
[5:30] Speaker 1: when he was in the hospital. They don't know what
[5:32] Speaker 1: his sentiments were, how he acted when he was in
[5:34] Speaker 1: the hospital for four days, holding his baby's hand before
[5:38] Speaker 1: he finally passed away in his arms. You know, a
[5:40] Speaker 1: lot of that is forgotten and left out. And it's
[5:42] Speaker 1: just more of like, oh, he's on the stand testifying.
[5:44] Speaker 2: But if he didn't visit the child and he didn't
[5:47] Speaker 2: hold the child for four days, that would have been
[5:50] Speaker 2: all over.
[5:50] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
[5:51] Speaker 2: But the fact that he was loving and kind and
[5:55] Speaker 2: being close to them during this time, that didn't, no
[5:58] Speaker 2: one cared to share that.
[5:59] Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if that information was out there
[6:02] Speaker 1: or even.
[6:03] Speaker 2: Well, that's my point though. Yeah. Had he not visited,
[6:07] Speaker 2: it would have somehow gotten out there. Yeah.
[6:16] Speaker 1: Patrick also claims that during that time period when he
[6:18] Speaker 1: was in the hospital and he was with Callan, he
[6:21] Speaker 1: also typed tributes. He said he was holding his son
[6:24] Speaker 1: with one hand and he was typing with his other hand.
[6:26] Speaker 1: He typed tributes to his three children with one hand
[6:28] Speaker 1: while holding Callan's hand with the other. He didn't want
[6:31] Speaker 1: them to be forgotten. Patrick also made a public statement
[6:35] Speaker 1: just days after the murders in which he forgave Lindsay.
[6:38] Speaker 1: He says that he's, he talked about how he said
[6:41] Speaker 1: it in the news and all the articles that were
[6:42] Speaker 1: coming out, they were calling her a monster and a
[6:44] Speaker 1: killer mom and all of those things.
[6:46] Speaker 2: And then he said, none of it was true. And
[6:49] Speaker 2: I was kind of like, okay, I think I know
[6:52] Speaker 2: where he's going, which is like labeling her a monster.
[6:57] Speaker 2: But she did kill her three kids.
[6:59] Speaker 1: She did.
[7:00] Speaker 2: I guess. It's an accurate label to say she's a killer. Right.
[7:04] Speaker 1: I guess what he didn't like was the reference to
[7:07] Speaker 1: her being a monster.
[7:08] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[7:09] Speaker 1: And so.
[7:10] Speaker 2: Cause he's saying for many of their years, she was
[7:13] Speaker 2: not a monster, right? Like she had a, she had
[7:16] Speaker 2: a moment. Right. You could put it like that, but
[7:18] Speaker 2: I mean like, you know, it didn't define her entire existence. Right.
[7:22] Speaker 1: And he claims that he rejected the media framing her
[7:25] Speaker 1: as a killer mom or a monster because because he
[7:28] Speaker 1: believes her mental illness was responsible for her actions. And
[7:31] Speaker 1: he added, if I didn't get there, I would be
[7:34] Speaker 1: eaten up inside forever.
[7:35] Speaker 2: It's probably easier for him to say she had a
[7:39] Speaker 2: mental illness too, whether he believes it or not. I'm
[7:41] Speaker 2: not trying to say that.
[7:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I, you know, he claims he had to
[7:44] Speaker 1: get to the part. He says that he, she didn't
[7:47] Speaker 1: ask him to forgive her. He just claims that he
[7:51] Speaker 1: forgave her on his own because he needed to, because
[7:53] Speaker 1: he had to, in order to be able to move on. Right. Um,
[7:57] Speaker 1: he did not, the, the interviewer asked, did you ask
[8:00] Speaker 1: Lindsay why she did it? And he says, I didn't
[8:03] Speaker 1: ask her why she did it, but he asked if
[8:05] Speaker 1: she remembered what happened. And she told him that it
[8:08] Speaker 1: was like a dream vivid, but distant. And I was
[8:11] Speaker 1: trying to picture that because when you, when you're asleep
[8:13] Speaker 1: and you know, you're dreaming and then you wake up
[8:15] Speaker 1: and you come out of a dream, it is a
[8:17] Speaker 1: very weird state.
[8:18] Speaker 2: Well, it's like, okay. When you come to the realization
[8:21] Speaker 2: that was a dream or a nightmare, um, But you
[8:24] Speaker 2: still have those emotions, right? Like, oh my gosh, but
[8:26] Speaker 2: that was scary. Yeah. But you're not there anymore. So
[8:29] Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. But you still feel it. So you're
[8:31] Speaker 2: kind of in and out of it.
[8:32] Speaker 1: You feel it. But have you ever tried to remember
[8:35] Speaker 1: a dream? And it's so lucid. Like, you can't ever
[8:39] Speaker 1: remember it in a.
[8:40] Speaker 2: Well, you don't remember your dreams. It's very different. Like...
[8:44] Speaker 2: Sometimes you'll wake up and you'll remember a dream. Then
[8:47] Speaker 2: later in the day, you can't remember what you had.
[8:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, dreams are weird.
[8:49] Speaker 2: I remember my dad told me, he goes, if you
[8:51] Speaker 2: get a journal and you wake up in the morning,
[8:53] Speaker 2: you try to remember your dream and you write it down.
[8:55] Speaker 2: He goes, then you'll go back and look at it
[8:57] Speaker 2: even later that day. And you'll be like, oh, I
[8:58] Speaker 2: don't remember anything like that. And I did that once.
[9:02] Speaker 1: You wrote in a journal?
[9:03] Speaker 2: Yeah. I probably still have it. And I wrote my dreams.
[9:06] Speaker 2: And I bought a journal just for dreams. Yeah. Yeah.
[9:10] Speaker 2: And I did it for a couple of weeks and
[9:11] Speaker 2: I wrote a handful in there and there's some crazy
[9:13] Speaker 2: stuff in there. Like this is all stupid stuff. Like,
[9:16] Speaker 2: you know, like kid stuff. It wasn't like nothing dramatic.
[9:20] Speaker 1: How old are you when you're doing this?
[9:21] Speaker 2: I was high school. And so I wrote these dreams
[9:24] Speaker 2: and every day I'd wake up and I'd get the
[9:26] Speaker 2: habit of waking up and then trying to remember my dream.
[9:29] Speaker 2: And you would remember some things if you made the effort. Yeah.
[9:32] Speaker 2: And then I'd quickly like write a paragraph down. Yeah.
[9:35] Speaker 2: And then I'd later go back and read it and
[9:36] Speaker 2: be like, oh, that's weird.
[9:37] Speaker 1: Yeah. And you have this journal still?
[9:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, probably. It's probably in my box.
[9:41] Speaker 1: We're going to find it. That's the next episode. Shane's
[9:45] Speaker 1: high school dreams.
[9:47] Speaker 2: Oh, you don't want to look into my head in
[9:50] Speaker 2: high school.
[9:50] Speaker 1: Oh, goodness.
[9:52] Speaker 2: So what was the point of all that?
[9:54] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
[9:54] Speaker 2: So she had a dream. She felt it was like
[9:56] Speaker 2: a dream. Yes. Right? Or something like that.
[9:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't understand. I've like, I don't know.
[10:00] Speaker 2: That means she had some awareness.
[10:03] Speaker 1: Some recollection, right? Here's my thoughts on this interview before
[10:06] Speaker 1: we go any further.
[10:07] Speaker 2: I think.
[10:09] Speaker 1: that he's trying to clean up his public image as
[10:12] Speaker 1: well as his wife who comes in at the end.
[10:14] Speaker 2: The reason why he did the interview.
[10:16] Speaker 1: But I think that's the reason why he agreed to
[10:19] Speaker 1: the interview. I think the interview was only 14 minutes
[10:22] Speaker 1: because they probably removed so much from the interview.
[10:25] Speaker 2: There probably wasn't much more there.
[10:26] Speaker 1: No, I think that he talked for a long time.
[10:28] Speaker 1: I mean, they went to different locations.
[10:29] Speaker 2: What do you think he said?
[10:31] Speaker 1: I'm just saying he probably has attorneys on his side
[10:34] Speaker 1: that were saying, take that out. Because they got a
[10:36] Speaker 1: lot of backlash. Remember they released that clip of Rachel
[10:40] Speaker 1: Danis talking about how she met Patrick. And she's like,
[10:42] Speaker 1: I was just a girl on a cold Saturday. I
[10:45] Speaker 1: just fell in love.
[10:47] Speaker 2: Yes.
[10:47] Speaker 1: And a lot of people were making fun of her.
[10:49] Speaker 1: They were equating it to that line that Julia Roberts
[10:52] Speaker 1: delivers in Notting Hill when she says, I'm just a
[10:54] Speaker 1: girl standing in front of a boy. Asking him to
[10:58] Speaker 1: love her. See, I know it's not. Well, I saw
[11:01] Speaker 1: it many, many times. Anyway, a lot of people were
[11:04] Speaker 1: making fun of her online and talk, you know what
[11:06] Speaker 1: I mean? So that clip was not in this interview.
[11:09] Speaker 1: So I'm saying, I think they got a preemptive look
[11:13] Speaker 1: at like how social media was going to respond to
[11:16] Speaker 1: the things that they were saying.
[11:18] Speaker 2: And I think that might've been intended to be an
[11:20] Speaker 2: entire episode. Yes. I think it was supposed to be
[11:22] Speaker 2: got cut short for a number of reasons. And they're like, okay, well, uh,
[11:25] Speaker 2: There's the Catholic Church. We can always find something on them.
[11:27] Speaker 2: Let's talk about them. Because didn't they all of a
[11:29] Speaker 2: sudden go into the Catholic Church? I was like, what
[11:31] Speaker 2: is this?
[11:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was only 14 minutes long. And so
[11:34] Speaker 1: my thought is they probably had planned to have a
[11:37] Speaker 1: full 60-minute episode.
[11:39] Speaker 2: It's 60-minute worthy. Right.
[11:41] Speaker 1: But I think it got cut to 14 minutes because,
[11:44] Speaker 1: first of all, they probably only agreed to do the
[11:46] Speaker 1: interview with a lot of stipulations in place, right? That
[11:49] Speaker 1: they got to preview it first, that their attorneys.
[11:51] Speaker 2: Got to look at it. No incriminating statements.
[11:54] Speaker 1: Right, a first refusal as to what was able to
[11:56] Speaker 1: be put out there. I'm sure for them to sit
[11:58] Speaker 1: down and do that interview that they had a lot of.
[12:01] Speaker 2: And then the next question is... How much did he
[12:03] Speaker 2: get paid?
[12:04] Speaker 1: That is the question. I do want to know that.
[12:06] Speaker 1: Cause you know, they got paid.
[12:07] Speaker 2: Oh, he should get paid. I wouldn't do it if
[12:09] Speaker 2: I wasn't getting paid.
[12:10] Speaker 1: I bet it was a lot. Cause I bet he
[12:11] Speaker 1: did one interview. I bet it was 60 minutes and
[12:14] Speaker 1: that was the one. And I bet.
[12:15] Speaker 2: One and done.
[12:16] Speaker 1: One and done.
[12:17] Speaker 2: You got more than six figures. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
[12:19] Speaker 2: You think so? Oh yeah.
[12:21] Speaker 1: I think so. But I mean, maybe we'll, I don't
[12:22] Speaker 1: know if we'll know.
[12:23] Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll never know.
[12:25] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[12:25] Speaker 2: Unless all of a sudden he was in a big
[12:26] Speaker 2: house in the Hamptons or something like that.
[12:28] Speaker 1: Then we're like, yeah, that 14 minute interview.
[12:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[12:32] Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Patrick's life after the tragedy.
[12:35] Speaker 1: So after the funerals, Patrick says his world emptied out
[12:38] Speaker 1: one day without thinking. He talks about how he drove
[12:41] Speaker 1: past his children's school at the drop off time and
[12:44] Speaker 1: then had to leave because he saw all of his
[12:45] Speaker 1: kids friends being dropped off at school and he realized
[12:48] Speaker 1: that he couldn't just kind of stick around in the
[12:51] Speaker 1: same area where he was seeing all these things. For
[12:54] Speaker 1: a while, he didn't think he would live to see
[12:56] Speaker 1: his 35th birthday because of suicidal ideations and that he
[13:00] Speaker 1: was completely fine with that. Then he decides in April
[13:03] Speaker 1: of 2023, this is three months after his children's deaths,
[13:07] Speaker 1: that he moved to New York City seeking anonymity. Then
[13:13] Speaker 1: he claims, he talks about how on Callan's first birthday,
[13:16] Speaker 1: he didn't know how to celebrate it so that he
[13:18] Speaker 1: went to St. Patrick's Cathedral and This is on Fifth Avenue,
[13:22] Speaker 1: and he lit a candle for Callan. And then when
[13:25] Speaker 1: he left the cathedral, he stepped outside and was crying
[13:29] Speaker 1: his eyes out. And he felt relief that no one
[13:31] Speaker 1: around him knew or cared. And that's when he claimed
[13:34] Speaker 1: this is where I need to be. I can grieve here.
[13:37] Speaker 1: Patrick keeps his children's memory alive in his Manhattan apartment
[13:40] Speaker 1: through specific objects. They do travel to his apartment and
[13:46] Speaker 1: He talks about how Cora likes sloths, and he saved
[13:49] Speaker 1: a stuffed baby sloth. A photo of Callan. He has
[13:53] Speaker 1: that oversized bow tie on. And Dawson's toy helicopter. Can
[13:57] Speaker 1: you imagine, though? Because he talks about, he has to
[13:59] Speaker 1: go back to that house, and he moves. So he
[14:01] Speaker 1: has to go back, and he has to empty out
[14:02] Speaker 1: that entire house.
[14:04] Speaker 2: I know. You have to go through the kids' rooms.
[14:06] Speaker 1: You have to go through their rooms.
[14:07] Speaker 2: You have to go through all that stuff.
[14:08] Speaker 1: Three children. Yeah. In a house that you lived in
[14:12] Speaker 1: with your wife.
[14:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, and she can't help.
[14:15] Speaker 1: And you have to empty their rooms out and you
[14:18] Speaker 1: have to move everything out and it's all gone.
[14:21] Speaker 2: They didn't have to move.
[14:24] Speaker 1: Well, I would move too. I don't think I could
[14:26] Speaker 1: have stayed in that house. Could you, could you live
[14:27] Speaker 1: somewhere where that tragedy like that took place?
[14:29] Speaker 2: Was it a renter?
[14:31] Speaker 1: No, they own the home.
[14:32] Speaker 2: They own the home. So you gotta go through the
[14:34] Speaker 2: whole process of actually.
[14:35] Speaker 1: Cause he sold it. Remember?
[14:36] Speaker 2: No, but I believe you. I mean, he had to
[14:39] Speaker 2: go through it. Now he has to go through a
[14:40] Speaker 2: whole process. You can't just get up and leave. Right.
[14:43] Speaker 1: In Duxbury, where this is the town that they lived in.
[14:45] Speaker 2: Wait, did the home sell?
[14:47] Speaker 1: So the home was purchased by a former district attorney.
[14:51] Speaker 1: So someone.
[14:51] Speaker 2: Well, they have to live somewhere too. Yeah.
[14:53] Speaker 1: I don't know. I just thought maybe... I mean, maybe
[14:55] Speaker 1: it doesn't mean there's something salacious going on just because
[14:57] Speaker 1: that happened. It's a small town. I don't know.
[14:59] Speaker 2: No, but it'd be more interesting if it was salacious. Yeah.
[15:01] Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it is. I don't know.
[15:02] Speaker 2: Let's start the rumor that it's salacious.
[15:05] Speaker 1: In Duxbury, this is the town that they lived in.
[15:07] Speaker 1: Patrick helped build a playground in the honor of his children...
[15:11] Speaker 1: There were sloths for Cora, a firefighter figure for Dawson
[15:14] Speaker 1: and a toddler's play area for Callan. Um, I didn't
[15:17] Speaker 1: know about that. That wasn't something that was out on
[15:19] Speaker 1: social media, that.
[15:20] Speaker 2: There was a, you know, they had the handprints there and.
[15:23] Speaker 1: Their names and stuff to honor them.
[15:25] Speaker 2: But then who did that? The city or like public?
[15:28] Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. I mean, I don't know.
[15:30] Speaker 1: I don't know if the community came together and paid
[15:32] Speaker 1: for it. I don't know if the city paid for
[15:34] Speaker 1: it and dedicated it. I don't, I don't know, but
[15:36] Speaker 1: that's interesting. Um, let's talk about some TikTok theories. So
[15:40] Speaker 1: Lindsey Clancy's trial concluded with a hung jury and Patrick
[15:43] Speaker 1: is currently waiting to learn whether a retrial will occur.
[15:47] Speaker 1: We do know, cause we talked about this in a
[15:48] Speaker 1: previous episode that September 29th that's coming up soon is when, um,
[15:55] Speaker 1: Lindsey Clancy is due back in court with her attorney.
[15:59] Speaker 1: And that's when we'll probably know whether the DA's office
[16:03] Speaker 1: is going to retry the case or plea deal or whatever.
[16:06] Speaker 1: What are your predictions? Well, I do know that Lindsey
[16:11] Speaker 1: Clancy's defense team now has the attorney, I believe that
[16:16] Speaker 1: was on Karen Reed's case, that argued that she shouldn't
[16:19] Speaker 1: be retried because it would be double jeopardy, which didn't work.
[16:23] Speaker 2: It's not double jeopardy.
[16:24] Speaker 1: But he's now on board on Lindsey Clancy's defense team,
[16:28] Speaker 1: and he's going to make that argument. So we'll see
[16:30] Speaker 1: what happens with that.
[16:31] Speaker 2: Well, Judge Judy says she should be retried.
[16:34] Speaker 1: Is that what judge Judy says?
[16:35] Speaker 2: Cause she says it would be a miscarriage, a miscarriage
[16:38] Speaker 2: of justice.
[16:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[16:39] Speaker 2: Basically. Cause you're, she goes, three kids are dead. Right.
[16:42] Speaker 2: And you're going to not like try to get a
[16:45] Speaker 2: resolution one way or another. Right.
[16:49] Speaker 1: During the trial, an online community of sleuths has constructed
[16:52] Speaker 1: theories portraying Patrick as abusive, unfaithful, or even responsible for
[16:56] Speaker 1: the killings. He frames the conspiracy theories as quote, deeply
[17:00] Speaker 1: harmful to the legacy of my children and, and a
[17:03] Speaker 1: distraction from the real issue of maternal mental health. You know,
[17:07] Speaker 1: I would say he was prepped very well for this
[17:09] Speaker 1: interview because he gives short, concise, and appropriate answers. He
[17:15] Speaker 1: doesn't talk too much, if you noticed. He keeps his
[17:18] Speaker 1: statements short, but they're appropriate.
[17:22] Speaker 2: Well, I would think he would be coached.
[17:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously.
[17:25] Speaker 2: Not coached to, like, fabricate, but it's coached to, like,
[17:28] Speaker 2: be safe and careful. By the way, I must clear up,
[17:31] Speaker 2: I looked it up and it said he was paid zero. Oh, really?
[17:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[17:35] Speaker 2: There might have been indirect compensation like travel and this
[17:38] Speaker 2: and that, which is more than likely, but zero. Wow.
[17:41] Speaker 2: I didn't read any further, but, you know, I would
[17:44] Speaker 2: think they'd at least make, like, I thought maybe the
[17:46] Speaker 2: park could have been done. You know, like 60 Minutes
[17:49] Speaker 2: could contribute a donation to the park to build it
[17:52] Speaker 2: up or something. Which it was already built, but I
[17:54] Speaker 2: meant like something like that would be very logical. Because
[17:57] Speaker 2: this is not a personal gain, but you're doing something
[17:59] Speaker 2: that helps kind of, you know, create something more long-term,
[18:04] Speaker 2: you know, for your children's names, memories.
[18:14] Speaker 1: So Patrick also addresses the perception of him as cold
[18:17] Speaker 1: on the witness stand, revealing that before the 911 call
[18:21] Speaker 1: was played in court... I thought this was interesting. I
[18:24] Speaker 1: thought this was good that he did this because they do,
[18:27] Speaker 1: everyone does pick apart his demeanor at trial. And when
[18:30] Speaker 1: he was testifying, talking about how he was just, you know,
[18:32] Speaker 1: had no emotion and things like that. So he does
[18:35] Speaker 1: let you into a little bit of things that happened
[18:37] Speaker 1: during the trial that you don't know about. So he
[18:39] Speaker 1: claims that he knew that the 911 call was going
[18:41] Speaker 1: to be played in court and that knowing that he
[18:44] Speaker 1: ended up having, like he says, a full blown type
[18:47] Speaker 1: of severe panic attack and like a back room at court,
[18:50] Speaker 1: they actually had to put him into the ambulance. They
[18:52] Speaker 1: offered him medication. he refused the medication because he said
[18:55] Speaker 1: he just wanted to get back on the stand and
[18:56] Speaker 1: be very clear headed so that he could get through
[18:59] Speaker 1: the testimony. But I thought it was really interesting. And
[19:01] Speaker 1: I thought it was good that he did bring that
[19:03] Speaker 1: up because it shows a different side of him because
[19:05] Speaker 1: everyone keeps talking about this stoic, emotionless character on this
[19:09] Speaker 1: witness stand. But now you can visualize him behind the scenes.
[19:14] Speaker 2: And, Closer to the time of the incident, too.
[19:16] Speaker 1: Having a panic attack, being emotional, being offered medication, being
[19:21] Speaker 1: put in an ambulance.
[19:22] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, during the trial. During the trial. I'm sorry,
[19:23] Speaker 2: this is during the trial. Right. Yeah.
[19:25] Speaker 1: And we do know, and I've talked about this before.
[19:28] Speaker 1: People who have heard the 911 call of when he
[19:30] Speaker 1: called 911 and he was on the phone with the
[19:33] Speaker 1: dispatcher and that's when he discovers his children in the
[19:35] Speaker 1: basement dead. People who have heard that 911 call have
[19:39] Speaker 1: said that there is no way that he could have
[19:42] Speaker 1: been involved because.
[19:43] Speaker 2: Of how it was too real.
[19:44] Speaker 1: It was too real. It was chilling. Like people said,
[19:47] Speaker 1: they can't get out of their heads. They'll never be
[19:48] Speaker 1: the same after listening to it. So all those people
[19:52] Speaker 1: that continue to kind of perpetuate that he had some involvement,
[19:57] Speaker 1: maybe they should listen to the 911 call and maybe
[19:59] Speaker 1: they would have a different, a different perspective.
[20:02] Speaker 2: 911 call is not available, right?
[20:04] Speaker 1: It's not, it was never made public, but people in
[20:07] Speaker 1: the courtroom that heard it have, have, talked about it. Um,
[20:12] Speaker 1: Patrick claims that he has channeled much of his grief
[20:14] Speaker 1: into advocacy, reaching out to postpartum support international and consulting
[20:19] Speaker 1: with psychiatrists about what really happened to Lindsay. Um, in
[20:22] Speaker 1: January of 2024 at a run club in New York,
[20:25] Speaker 1: Patrick met Rachel Danis. Now this was interesting because there's
[20:30] Speaker 1: been so much online speculation as to him having an
[20:32] Speaker 1: affair when he met Rachel. Remember a lot of people
[20:34] Speaker 1: were saying four months, they were together.
[20:36] Speaker 2: Four months later, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.
[20:38] Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, and obviously they can concoct
[20:41] Speaker 1: whatever timeline they want. They're the only two people that know.
[20:44] Speaker 1: But from his timeline, he moved to New York four
[20:48] Speaker 1: months after the children died. Then he joined a run
[20:53] Speaker 1: club in New York. And then he met Rachel when
[20:56] Speaker 1: they were in this run club. Then they weren't married
[20:59] Speaker 1: until four months before the trial. So they were married
[21:02] Speaker 1: in 2026, which is three years after the incident happened.
[21:07] Speaker 2: I mean, the alternative is what he Goes in his
[21:10] Speaker 2: room and hides.
[21:11] Speaker 1: So he meets Rachel Dannis. This is at a run club,
[21:13] Speaker 1: a fertility doctor. The relationship began over coffee. She claims
[21:18] Speaker 1: that she noticed on his phone wallpaper that there was
[21:21] Speaker 1: a photo of three children. And she said, who are
[21:23] Speaker 1: those cuties? And she also asked if they lived in Massachusetts.
[21:27] Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of a weird question to say,
[21:29] Speaker 1: who are those cuties? And then say, do they live
[21:31] Speaker 1: in Massachusetts? I would assume... Do you see your kids often?
[21:36] Speaker 1: Do you think people knew who he was, though? I
[21:37] Speaker 1: know he moves to New York City for anonymity.
[21:41] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[21:41] Speaker 1: But it was also a lot in the news when
[21:44] Speaker 1: it first happened as to him, Lindsay, the children that died.
[21:50] Speaker 1: I don't know if she really didn't know who he was.
[21:53] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[21:54] Speaker 2: It depends if there's a lot of women in the
[21:56] Speaker 2: run club. Why? Because then they would all be talking
[22:00] Speaker 2: about that Patrick guy.
[22:02] Speaker 1: Because they knew who it was.
[22:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, then word gets around.
[22:06] Speaker 1: So he tells Rachel that his children had died, and
[22:08] Speaker 1: though she had many questions, she claims that she didn't
[22:11] Speaker 1: know what to ask. They did just get married in
[22:14] Speaker 1: New York City this past April. They got married just
[22:18] Speaker 1: a couple months before the trial began.
[22:20] Speaker 2: Does she have any children?
[22:21] Speaker 1: No, but it is confirmed because the interviewer asked this
[22:25] Speaker 1: during the interview, the 14-minute interview. He said, so you're
[22:29] Speaker 1: going to start a family. And then they were both
[22:30] Speaker 1: kind of awkward. They were like, yes, we're starting a family.
[22:33] Speaker 1: And I was like, what does that mean, starting a family?
[22:35] Speaker 1: But then today I read that it's confirmed that she's pregnant.
[22:39] Speaker 1: But they didn't really confirm that in the interview. It
[22:41] Speaker 1: was just more of like a vague, yes, we're starting
[22:44] Speaker 1: a family. But I did read today that the interviewer
[22:48] Speaker 1: confirmed that she's Currently pregnant.
[22:53] Speaker 2: And she's a fertility doctor. Yes.
[22:56] Speaker 1: Rachel says that she can't bring his children back, but
[22:59] Speaker 1: that she can help him honor them and carry the
[23:01] Speaker 1: weight of grief alongside him. The couple is now expecting
[23:05] Speaker 1: a child, and Patrick says he can't wait to tell
[23:08] Speaker 1: the new baby about their brothers and sister. No.
[23:11] Speaker 2: What do you mean he can't wait? That sounds weird.
[23:14] Speaker 1: That does sound weird.
[23:15] Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to judge. Well, I am judging.
[23:18] Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to say he shouldn't say that, but.
[23:21] Speaker 2: That just sounded a little.
[23:23] Speaker 1: Did you see her interview part? I mean, her part
[23:25] Speaker 1: was only like a couple of minutes. I mean, the
[23:27] Speaker 1: whole thing was only 14 minutes.
[23:27] Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't necessarily her part. She would just jump
[23:29] Speaker 2: in once in a while.
[23:30] Speaker 1: No, she came in at the end. It was mostly him.
[23:32] Speaker 1: And then she came in at the end. And so
[23:34] Speaker 1: it was only a couple of minutes with her. I
[23:36] Speaker 1: found her unlikable. I just do.
[23:40] Speaker 2: Well, you don't have to date her.
[23:42] Speaker 1: I don't, but I find her unlikable. I thought that
[23:44] Speaker 1: she's not.
[23:44] Speaker 2: Going to be your fertility doctor.
[23:45] Speaker 1: No, I just, I found, I just, I find her
[23:47] Speaker 1: demeanor and like the way she answers questions. I don't
[23:50] Speaker 1: find her to be, I just don't find her to
[23:53] Speaker 1: be genuine. And she talks about how she like carry
[23:55] Speaker 1: the grief for him. I mean, no, you just need
[23:57] Speaker 1: to support him.
[23:58] Speaker 2: No, no, no. I disagree with you on that. She
[24:01] Speaker 2: was asked the question.
[24:03] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[24:04] Speaker 2: And that's how she answered it. Like she could help
[24:06] Speaker 2: them along. I, I don't remember the exact word, so
[24:11] Speaker 2: I don't want to rephrase. I don't want to chop
[24:13] Speaker 2: it up, but she was asked basically if she's able
[24:17] Speaker 2: to help him or if them being together has kind
[24:21] Speaker 2: of allowed him to grief or something along those lines.
[24:25] Speaker 2: And she basically said she was there to support him
[24:29] Speaker 2: in helping him. Cause I think, I think the question
[24:31] Speaker 2: now was like, can you like, you being together, has
[24:35] Speaker 2: that helped him get over his grief? Like, are you
[24:37] Speaker 2: responsible for that? And I think she was like, no,
[24:40] Speaker 2: I can't do that for him, but I can be
[24:42] Speaker 2: there alongside him and support him.
[24:44] Speaker 1: So you liked her?
[24:45] Speaker 2: No, but I disagree with what you said. Okay.
[24:48] Speaker 1: Both Patrick and Lindsay have filed separate medical malpractice lawsuits
[24:52] Speaker 1: against her healthcare providers. Lindsay remains held at Turksbury Hospital
[24:56] Speaker 1: in Massachusetts, awaiting word on whether she will face a retrial.
[25:01] Speaker 1: or not. And we will continue to follow that the
[25:04] Speaker 1: hearings coming up on September 29. So that will be
[25:06] Speaker 1: very interesting to see what happens at that next hearing
[25:09] Speaker 1: on the 29th of September. So we will follow along
[25:12] Speaker 1: with that. Also, I'm very interested in your guys's take
[25:16] Speaker 1: on the 14 minute 60 minute interview. I'd like to
[25:19] Speaker 1: hear what you guys have to say about that. So
[25:21] Speaker 1: please find me on Instagram. Send me a DM. I
[25:23] Speaker 1: love your feedback. Also, be sure to follow Legally Brunette
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[25:30] Speaker 1: if you have any recommendations of cases that you would
[25:33] Speaker 1: like us to talk about, please let me know. Also,
[25:36] Speaker 1: one more thing I was going to say. I've been
[25:39] Speaker 1: putting off. like the JonBenet case because it's so complicated.
[25:43] Speaker 1: But I've followed it for a long time. I know
[25:45] Speaker 1: a lot about it. But anyway, doing an actual episode
[25:49] Speaker 1: or it would have to be multiple episodes.
[25:50] Speaker 2: Are you going to solve that case too?
[25:51] Speaker 1: I'm going to solve it. I'm ready to solve it.
[25:54] Speaker 1: But we're going to have to do it because Netflix,
[25:56] Speaker 1: I think it's Netflix, is coming out with a scripted style,
[26:03] Speaker 1: you know.
[26:03] Speaker 2: And you're going to watch it and you're going to
[26:05] Speaker 2: say everything that's wrong with it.
[26:06] Speaker 1: Probably. Of JonBenet. Also, another one. I just read that.
[26:12] Speaker 1: I don't know who it's who, what per, I don't
[26:14] Speaker 1: know who the big name is that's doing it, but
[26:16] Speaker 1: it's the Natalie Holloway case. And I believe they're interviewing
[26:19] Speaker 1: her mother and her it's her mother's perspective as to
[26:22] Speaker 1: what happened and the disappearance and all that. So we're
[26:25] Speaker 1: going to have to follow that one as well. That
[26:27] Speaker 1: one's interesting. All right, guys, thank you so much for
[26:29] Speaker 1: listening to legally brunette. We appreciate you.

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