# The Eds: Getting Real About Reality TV

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 26 May 2026, 49 min.

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Eddie and Edwin are discussing the way reality TV can shape or destroy a relationship. Eddie feels like reality TV can have some hard effects on a relationship, but Edwin on the other hand, had an experience where it actually helped. Find out why. Plus, Edwin shares his take on PK’s recent interview blaming himself for their divorce. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: This is The EDS with Eddie Judge and Edwin Adoyavi.
[0:04] Speaker 2: Welcome back to the EDS.
[0:05] Speaker 3: I'm Eddie Judge and I'm Edwin Aave.
[0:08] Speaker 1: And today we're going to dive into how reality TV
[0:11] Speaker 1: affected our personal lives and how we've seen it affect
[0:15] Speaker 1: other couples. We want to explore this interesting topic to
[0:20] Speaker 1: learn whether it was a blessing or a burden.
[0:24] Speaker 3: You ready, let's do it. I guess we'll start with you, Eddie. Okay,
[0:29] Speaker 3: so reality TV has been a part of your life
[0:32] Speaker 3: for such a long time with Tamra. What effects do
[0:35] Speaker 3: you think it has had on your relationship?
[0:39] Speaker 4: You know it.
[0:41] Speaker 1: The biggest effect I think is is that it's made
[0:45] Speaker 1: us really aware of who we are as people and
[0:50] Speaker 1: hyper aware of who the other person is. Right, And
[0:53] Speaker 1: what I mean by hyper aware is I know the
[0:57] Speaker 1: person on TV is not my wife because he's creating
[1:01] Speaker 1: this bigger than life character. And the person I know
[1:05] Speaker 1: off TV is a totally normal, wonderful person, loving carrying,
[1:10] Speaker 1: great mom, wonderful wife and friend. And it's been interesting
[1:16] Speaker 1: to see her go back and forth right and see
[1:20] Speaker 1: the dynamic and see where where it really shines and
[1:25] Speaker 1: when it really hurts her, you know what I mean.
[1:29] Speaker 1: And I think the biggest lesson is obviously that I've
[1:32] Speaker 1: taken away, is at any time somebody talks about her
[1:34] Speaker 1: as a mom, that really puts her in a fonk.
[1:37] Speaker 1: And you know, even though the shit that's being said
[1:40] Speaker 1: on TV is not true, it still affects her in
[1:44] Speaker 1: real life.
[1:45] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:45] Speaker 1: So another thing I've noticed is, you know, when it
[1:50] Speaker 1: comes to business or work or companies or whatever, you know,
[1:54] Speaker 1: you have you in my days of working, you go
[1:58] Speaker 1: to the office, you do your job, and then you
[2:00] Speaker 1: come home, and you leave work at the office, and
[2:03] Speaker 1: you come home and you live your life at home, right,
[2:06] Speaker 1: and the dynamics event we live, sleep, e fart, everything
[2:12] Speaker 1: happens here at the house. So it's always always a
[2:16] Speaker 1: reality TV kind of like you're we always have to
[2:19] Speaker 1: be on right and to boot anytime we go out
[2:22] Speaker 1: in the public. We always have to be aware of
[2:25] Speaker 1: our surroundings and it's it's sort of exhausting in a sense,
[2:30] Speaker 1: but it also really made us hyper aware of the
[2:34] Speaker 1: kind of character we need to be. And not in
[2:38] Speaker 1: a way where I have to fake it, but in
[2:41] Speaker 1: a way where I have to be cognizant of what
[2:44] Speaker 1: I say, how I say it, how I treat people.
[2:47] Speaker 1: You know. Perfect example here is like driving down the
[2:50] Speaker 1: street and you know, somebody pisses me off. I don't
[2:53] Speaker 1: do it anymore because I'm a lot older. But when
[2:56] Speaker 1: I was younger, somebody cutting me off, I flip them
[2:58] Speaker 1: off and yell out the window piece of shit.
[3:00] Speaker 2: You know I can't do that anymore.
[3:03] Speaker 3: Well, so, speaking to that point, so when you first started, right,
[3:08] Speaker 3: you were a lot younger, and back then you didn't
[3:12] Speaker 3: really know the show as much. So I would assume
[3:16] Speaker 3: you probably fought a lot more back then about things
[3:19] Speaker 3: that were happening on the show than you do now,
[3:22] Speaker 3: because now you understand her personality a little more and
[3:26] Speaker 3: you understand the show a little more. But what are
[3:28] Speaker 3: your thoughts on that? Do you feel like you've matured
[3:31] Speaker 3: on that side?
[3:33] Speaker 1: Yes, I definitely believe it has. I think we've talked
[3:38] Speaker 1: about this before. The show will show cracks in your
[3:41] Speaker 1: relationship if there's any, and certainly in a new relationship
[3:45] Speaker 1: there's always going to be a learning curve with each other.
[3:50] Speaker 1: We did have our arguments on how I perceived it
[3:54] Speaker 1: versus how she perceived it, and I would say eight
[3:58] Speaker 1: out of ten times, she was right because she's in it,
[4:01] Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's it's like it's like
[4:04] Speaker 1: me saying, you're you're not gonna get wet when you
[4:06] Speaker 1: jump into that pool, and she's like, no, I'm gonna
[4:09] Speaker 1: get soaken wet, and I'm like, well, no, you're not.
[4:12] Speaker 1: I don't get it.
[4:13] Speaker 2: I'm not in the pool.
[4:14] Speaker 1: She is in the pool. She is soaking wet, she
[4:17] Speaker 1: is living it, she's breathing it, and she will totally
[4:19] Speaker 1: understand it way more.
[4:21] Speaker 2: Than I do.
[4:22] Speaker 1: And that was like a big eye opener, Like, you
[4:24] Speaker 1: know what, I got to trust that she knows what
[4:26] Speaker 1: she's doing jumping into this pool, and I got to
[4:29] Speaker 1: support her every way I can to help her shine
[4:33] Speaker 1: and be her best at what she's doing. And I
[4:35] Speaker 1: say that because I got to the point in the
[4:39] Speaker 1: beginning I was like, I don't know what to expect,
[4:44] Speaker 1: but I'm gonna. I'm gonna do it. And I don't
[4:46] Speaker 1: know if I shared with you this this note about
[4:50] Speaker 1: you know, after the first year, it was again a
[4:53] Speaker 1: roller coaster. When I came in, they made me look
[4:55] Speaker 1: like a knight in shining armor. I look like the hero.
[4:57] Speaker 1: It made me like the bad dude, right. And towards
[5:02] Speaker 1: the end of the season, either the first or the
[5:04] Speaker 1: second season, they turned around and you know, it bit
[5:07] Speaker 1: me in the ass. I don't remember what they did,
[5:08] Speaker 1: but I was like, Okay, I can't be a part
[5:11] Speaker 1: of this. A. I don't have any control over this. B.
[5:14] Speaker 1: It's just not this is not a guy show, you know.
[5:17] Speaker 1: Put me in a F one show, put me in
[5:19] Speaker 1: a you know, car racing show or something like that,
[5:22] Speaker 1: but not a housewife drama show. I want nothing to
[5:25] Speaker 1: do with that. And I had to make the hard
[5:27] Speaker 1: decision like if if I want to really see where
[5:31] Speaker 1: this relationship goes, because like I said, it was it
[5:34] Speaker 1: really was love at first sight and that's really what
[5:36] Speaker 1: you know, kept us together.
[5:38] Speaker 3: So that first season really quick ed. Let's go back
[5:40] Speaker 3: to that. So obviously they make you look like a
[5:44] Speaker 3: like a rock star, a rock star, right, and you
[5:49] Speaker 3: probably I assume now getting hit up by woman left
[5:54] Speaker 3: and right. How did Tamra deal with that? And how
[5:59] Speaker 3: are you able to deal with that? That that that
[6:02] Speaker 3: was hip at all?
[6:04] Speaker 1: No, that wasn't difficult at all because of my commitment
[6:07] Speaker 1: with her. You know, I'm a one woman, committed guy
[6:11] Speaker 1: and yeah, I got you know, private messages, mostly on Instagram.
[6:17] Speaker 1: And I also was aware that there was a lot
[6:20] Speaker 1: of what's called I think catfishing, and I'm like, I
[6:23] Speaker 1: am not going to get catfish because again, you have
[6:25] Speaker 1: to be hyper aware of your surroundings. You know, anything
[6:28] Speaker 1: you do might end up on TMZ and I don't
[6:31] Speaker 1: want to be on TMZ, right, So there was a
[6:34] Speaker 1: lot of protecting my character in protecting our relationships. So
[6:41] Speaker 1: that really didn't affect me. But it did happen. It
[6:44] Speaker 1: definitely did happen.
[6:46] Speaker 3: I did.
[6:46] Speaker 1: I did get you know, reached out or courted by
[6:50] Speaker 1: all these accounts, and you know, and even I don't
[6:54] Speaker 1: know how to say this, but even the gay guys
[6:56] Speaker 1: were like, hey, honey, I bet you're good in bad Like, uh, yeah, well,
[7:01] Speaker 1: at least I'm making somebody happy.
[7:04] Speaker 3: But it's it's good because it shows, you know, the
[7:07] Speaker 3: character that or just the confidence that camera had to
[7:11] Speaker 3: have because most girls, most women can't deal with that,
[7:15] Speaker 3: right They might get extra jealous, they might get very insecure,
[7:19] Speaker 3: and then that causes fights, which is why I was
[7:21] Speaker 3: I was asking, was there ever a situation, Eddie where
[7:24] Speaker 3: you thought, shit, I can't handle this. Anymore. I quit.
[7:27] Speaker 3: I'm out. I'm not. I can't be in this relationship
[7:33] Speaker 3: if I'm going to be on this show or on
[7:36] Speaker 3: the show.
[7:36] Speaker 2: That's what I was getting at.
[7:37] Speaker 1: I had to make a really hard decision in the
[7:40] Speaker 1: beginning because I realize what I'm getting myself into. And
[7:45] Speaker 1: it took about a year or two, I don't remember
[7:47] Speaker 1: exactly how many, but it took enough time for me
[7:50] Speaker 1: to realize this is not healthy. This is this is
[7:53] Speaker 1: gonna be super challenging for our relationship. It's not gonna
[7:57] Speaker 1: I mean, relationships are tough enough as it is, but
[8:00] Speaker 1: to put my relationship out there in the world. Before
[8:03] Speaker 1: this show, I was very private, as you know, the
[8:06] Speaker 1: Latin culture where we don't share shit.
[8:08] Speaker 2: We don't even amongst our family.
[8:09] Speaker 1: We don't talk about problems, right, we just keep it
[8:13] Speaker 1: and just seeing kumbaya and live our happy lives. But
[8:17] Speaker 1: to expose your life on national television, one of my
[8:21] Speaker 1: concerns was what is my family going to think? You know,
[8:24] Speaker 1: like we're very private, and I had to make a
[8:27] Speaker 1: hard decision, like, if I want to see where my
[8:31] Speaker 1: relationship goes, my love with this woman goes, I have
[8:35] Speaker 1: to suck it up. And be in this relationship or
[8:39] Speaker 1: I just have to walk away. And if I walk
[8:41] Speaker 1: away from the show, that means I'm walking away from
[8:43] Speaker 1: my wife or my girlfriend at the time. So I
[8:47] Speaker 1: made a conscious decision, and I think it was one
[8:50] Speaker 1: of the first few times that I learned that that
[8:53] Speaker 1: valuable lesson that you can convince yourself of anything. If
[8:58] Speaker 1: you try hard enough.
[9:00] Speaker 3: You can can.
[9:01] Speaker 1: And I flipped a switch. I said, I'm not going
[9:03] Speaker 1: to worry about it. I'm not going to think about it.
[9:06] Speaker 1: I'm not going to stress about it. But I am
[9:08] Speaker 1: going to be here one hundred percent for my wife
[9:11] Speaker 1: and do this show and just see where it goes.
[9:14] Speaker 1: And to answer your question, it was from that point
[9:17] Speaker 1: forward that I've been thinking, what am I doing?
[9:19] Speaker 2: I don't want to be on this show?
[9:21] Speaker 1: And even today, you know, in this day and age,
[9:24] Speaker 1: we still have that same argument. And I still tell her.
[9:28] Speaker 1: If she had a dollar for every time I've told
[9:30] Speaker 1: her I absolutely hate being on the show, she would
[9:33] Speaker 1: be a billionaire. I I just a lot of it
[9:38] Speaker 1: has to do with the fact that I just don't
[9:41] Speaker 1: feel I fit in this world, so I don't want
[9:44] Speaker 1: to be a part of it, and I have to
[9:48] Speaker 1: understand that my role is just a supportive role. And
[9:50] Speaker 1: that's how I convinced myself that it's okay to be
[9:53] Speaker 1: on the show because I'm not a star, I'm not
[9:56] Speaker 1: a housewife. I am just an extra. I'm just a supporting,
[10:00] Speaker 1: you know, character here, and that's where I want to be.
[10:03] Speaker 1: I don't want to be you know, the headlines. I
[10:06] Speaker 1: don't want to be talked about by the other women.
[10:09] Speaker 2: Just leave me out of.
[10:10] Speaker 3: This, right.
[10:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, But it's hard because I'm obviously a big part
[10:15] Speaker 1: of my wife.
[10:16] Speaker 2: I'm her husband, so.
[10:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's your commitment to the love you have
[10:20] Speaker 3: for her. So that's and that's great that you're doing that. Yeah,
[10:25] Speaker 3: I mean it's it's she probably loves doing it, right,
[10:29] Speaker 3: which is why she keeps on doing it, And you
[10:31] Speaker 3: got to be that supported husband. So I love that.
[10:34] Speaker 1: So for you, the opposite has happened, right, the Real
[10:38] Speaker 1: House of Beverly Hills actually helped your relationship. Did you
[10:41] Speaker 1: think about the problems you might not have realized if
[10:44] Speaker 1: it wasn't being talked about on the show, Like if
[10:46] Speaker 1: if those those things that they were talking about you too,
[10:50] Speaker 1: Do you think if that never happened, you never would
[10:52] Speaker 1: have talked about those problems. No.
[10:55] Speaker 3: I mean I think when we went on the show,
[10:57] Speaker 3: like right before the show, we had a situation where
[11:01] Speaker 3: we almost called it quits. In fact, we're about to
[11:04] Speaker 3: call it quits. And I know, for me at the time,
[11:10] Speaker 3: a big part of staying on to even try it
[11:15] Speaker 3: because we had this huge disagreement on something that I
[11:20] Speaker 3: had screwed up on. Well, I guess it's not the
[11:22] Speaker 3: disagreement because I take ownership of what I screwed up on.
[11:26] Speaker 3: And at the time I was like, and she was as, well,
[11:30] Speaker 3: we don't know if this is going to work. I
[11:32] Speaker 3: thought to myself, though I you know, at the time,
[11:36] Speaker 3: Teddy was obviously her she was a full time mom,
[11:39] Speaker 3: right and she had just started her business, and a
[11:44] Speaker 3: part of me was like, Okay, maybe the show will
[11:48] Speaker 3: give even more purpose. And the thought was if she
[11:52] Speaker 3: has even more purpose, then it'll make the separation easier
[11:57] Speaker 3: because now she's got I mean, how cool is that, right,
[12:00] Speaker 3: and have something to do. But then when we were on,
[12:05] Speaker 3: I thought, Okay, maybe I'll try this for a little
[12:07] Speaker 3: bit and then next year, this is my thought. The
[12:10] Speaker 3: next year was then we'll just separate and then but
[12:13] Speaker 3: by then, she's got her thing right. And it did
[12:17] Speaker 3: the opposite. When we got on the show, it was like,
[12:20] Speaker 3: wait a minute, we have to work on this relationship.
[12:22] Speaker 3: I have to work on this relationship. And I wasn't.
[12:28] Speaker 3: I would say prior, I wasn't working on the relationship.
[12:30] Speaker 3: You know, and when you don't do something for a
[12:33] Speaker 3: long time, you start to dislike it. And the opposite happens.
[12:38] Speaker 3: When you start to work on something right, you start
[12:41] Speaker 3: to like it more and more. Right that the more
[12:43] Speaker 3: you love, the more your capacity to love expands. And
[12:47] Speaker 3: I started working on the relationship for the first time
[12:49] Speaker 3: and god knows how long, and I was like, whoa,
[12:52] Speaker 3: this is actually pretty cool, Like I'm having fun, and
[12:56] Speaker 3: we started having fun and it actually brought us together.
[12:59] Speaker 3: It made me work on things that I was trying
[13:03] Speaker 3: to work on. But this show really made me work
[13:08] Speaker 3: on it because I didn't want to end up on
[13:10] Speaker 3: some tabloids and my kids seeing some stuff. So it
[13:16] Speaker 3: made me work on it. And then next thing, you know,
[13:19] Speaker 3: I became the person I've always wanted to be in
[13:22] Speaker 3: that sense, So for me, it did the opposite on that.
[13:26] Speaker 1: That's interesting because I would think that being in a
[13:31] Speaker 1: critical situation where you're about to break up that you
[13:35] Speaker 1: would think the TV show is going to expose it all.
[13:38] Speaker 1: It's going to be on all the tabloids and it's
[13:40] Speaker 1: going to be everywhere, and everybody's going to know that
[13:43] Speaker 1: we're breaking up. But somehow you turned it around. And
[13:48] Speaker 1: was it because you saw each other on TV? Or
[13:51] Speaker 1: because it kind of rekindled a new chapter in your life?
[13:54] Speaker 2: What do you think?
[13:55] Speaker 3: I think it rekindled a new chapter in our life.
[13:59] Speaker 3: We knew the cameras were on, and there were certain
[14:04] Speaker 3: things that we didn't want, you know, the kids to
[14:06] Speaker 3: find out, and we worked on it, and I think,
[14:11] Speaker 3: you know, we started hanging out together more often, started
[14:14] Speaker 3: doing fun things together, the more off and we started
[14:16] Speaker 3: going on dates. And again it just kind of goes
[14:20] Speaker 3: back to It really just reminded me of if you
[14:25] Speaker 3: just work on the relationship, how you could fall back
[14:27] Speaker 3: in love.
[14:28] Speaker 4: Right.
[14:28] Speaker 3: A lot of times you just don't want to work
[14:31] Speaker 3: on the relationship, and again the more when you don't
[14:35] Speaker 3: do something for a long time, you just you tend
[14:37] Speaker 3: to dislike it. So I think in that sense, and
[14:41] Speaker 3: then we you know, we would just start spending more
[14:43] Speaker 3: time together and I think also she became more confident,
[14:47] Speaker 3: she became I would say before the show, it was
[14:53] Speaker 3: almost like probably are lack of better words, I was
[14:57] Speaker 3: more of like I was her purpose and it's like
[14:59] Speaker 3: where are what are you doing? And it was more like,
[15:04] Speaker 3: you know, yes, I mean being a mom full time
[15:06] Speaker 3: is I mean, that's all the hardest job you could
[15:10] Speaker 3: ever have, because chasing around a little two five five
[15:14] Speaker 3: year old all days, there's a lot of work. I
[15:16] Speaker 3: think there was a sense of her that that's all
[15:20] Speaker 3: she was doing at the time. But she's you know,
[15:22] Speaker 3: she's very ambitious. Yeah. And even though all In had
[15:25] Speaker 3: just started when and I think it would it's all
[15:30] Speaker 3: In I think started I don't know, six months before
[15:32] Speaker 3: she got on the show. So I'd say even then,
[15:37] Speaker 3: I started to notice, Okay, I like this side of her.
[15:41] Speaker 3: I like this independent woman and she's coming if if.
[15:46] Speaker 1: You will, did it like remind you when you first
[15:48] Speaker 1: met her?
[15:49] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a little bit of that, right.
[15:51] Speaker 3: It was like she started becoming this more confident, fashionable
[15:56] Speaker 3: you know, little by little, I was like, whoa, yeah,
[15:58] Speaker 3: this is pretty cool.
[15:59] Speaker 4: Like I.
[16:02] Speaker 3: Was attracted to her again, you know, there was this
[16:06] Speaker 3: you know that. So I think the combination of that,
[16:08] Speaker 3: the combination of us, you know, working on the relationship,
[16:13] Speaker 3: made a big difference. But again, I don't know if
[16:15] Speaker 3: we weren't on the show, I don't think that would
[16:17] Speaker 3: have happened.
[16:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, how long were you married before you got on
[16:22] Speaker 1: the show?
[16:23] Speaker 3: Says what? Twenty seventeen's at that point? We were six
[16:27] Speaker 3: years six years?
[16:28] Speaker 1: Okay, so it's not a long time, but definitely what's
[16:34] Speaker 1: the saying the seven year itch? Like, when you get
[16:38] Speaker 1: to seven years, things start to happen.
[16:40] Speaker 2: It didn't happen for me eight, but so.
[16:42] Speaker 3: Eight years together, six years married when we first went
[16:48] Speaker 3: on this show.
[16:48] Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
[16:50] Speaker 3: And you know, dude, there's something to be said too.
[16:52] Speaker 3: I think you know, like when you have a nice
[16:57] Speaker 3: car and you're driving your nice car right after Wow,
[17:00] Speaker 3: you sort of forget how nice the car is, right,
[17:03] Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you let your friend drive
[17:07] Speaker 3: it and you're in another car looking at it, and
[17:09] Speaker 3: you're like, damn, that's a very nice car. Yeah right,
[17:12] Speaker 3: and you're like, oh shit, that's my car.
[17:14] Speaker 1: Right.
[17:14] Speaker 3: Yeah. I almost had the same thing with when I
[17:17] Speaker 3: saw her on TV.
[17:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that it was like, Wow, she's.
[17:21] Speaker 3: Pretty damn attractive, you know what I mean? There was
[17:24] Speaker 3: that too, But sometimes when it's right there for you
[17:28] Speaker 3: sometimes take it for granted, Like, wait a minute, I
[17:31] Speaker 3: got a beautiful wife. You know there's a little bit
[17:35] Speaker 3: of that as well.
[17:36] Speaker 1: So well, you got a waxer and polisher once in
[17:39] Speaker 1: a while, right.
[17:50] Speaker 3: Do you think that relationships that struggle more on the
[17:54] Speaker 3: show have to do with husbands getting too involved on
[17:57] Speaker 3: the show.
[18:01] Speaker 1: I think I have two answers for that one. Yeah,
[18:03] Speaker 1: I think getting too involved on the show will put
[18:06] Speaker 1: a little bit of strain on your relationship because watching
[18:11] Speaker 1: my wife navigate through the show, if I was to
[18:15] Speaker 1: get involved in the show, it would just put more
[18:18] Speaker 1: pressure on her to protect me or to navigate through
[18:22] Speaker 1: the already you know, drama that comes with the show.
[18:26] Speaker 1: Like I don't want her to deal with me on
[18:28] Speaker 1: the show. I want her to deal with what's going
[18:30] Speaker 1: on on the show and the girls and the trips
[18:32] Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So I don't think it's a
[18:35] Speaker 1: good idea. And the.
[18:39] Speaker 2: Couples that do.
[18:41] Speaker 1: Break up on the show, I think the only thing
[18:45] Speaker 1: I can conclude is that there were already cracks in
[18:48] Speaker 1: the relationship that were not mended or fixed or worked on, right,
[18:54] Speaker 1: Like you worked on your relationship when you came on
[18:58] Speaker 1: the show. You saw the cracks and and you made
[19:01] Speaker 1: an effort to plug them up, fix them and or
[19:04] Speaker 1: you know, even tape them up, you know, temporary patch
[19:07] Speaker 1: them up. But it's not like you just got so
[19:11] Speaker 1: involved to get in her way. You let her fly,
[19:14] Speaker 1: You let her, you gave her, you intended to give
[19:17] Speaker 1: her the wings to be who she wanted to be.
[19:20] Speaker 1: And I think that's really what works. And that's kind
[19:23] Speaker 1: of what I see what you know in our interview
[19:26] Speaker 1: with Jerry earlier, like he saw his wife just it's
[19:30] Speaker 1: it's her time to shine, right.
[19:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. I think that's that's the way
[19:34] Speaker 3: I looked at it. You know one thing that I
[19:36] Speaker 3: did that I didn't mention that year I really started
[19:39] Speaker 3: working on myself for the first time in my life. Really.
[19:43] Speaker 3: There was a lot of personal development stuff that I
[19:45] Speaker 3: started doing. And you know, awareness, I always say self mastery,
[19:51] Speaker 3: because you can't improve on something you're not aware of.
[19:54] Speaker 3: And a lot of times things in our lives become
[19:57] Speaker 3: habits and you don't even realize that you're doing them,
[20:00] Speaker 3: and then when you start working on yourself again. It
[20:02] Speaker 3: sort of creates this awareness and then you're like, oh, shoot,
[20:05] Speaker 3: maybe I do got to fix this, Maybe I do
[20:07] Speaker 3: got to fix that. So that was definitely a life
[20:10] Speaker 3: changing moment for me and since then, I've never I
[20:13] Speaker 3: haven't stopped. And it was about building better character. You know,
[20:19] Speaker 3: at the end of the day, when your talent goes away,
[20:21] Speaker 3: when your looks money, all that goes away, the one
[20:25] Speaker 3: thing that will never go away is your character, right,
[20:28] Speaker 3: And you know, if you don't want to be if
[20:31] Speaker 3: you don't want to die ordinary, I've been great characters
[20:35] Speaker 3: a great way to be extraordinary, you know.
[20:38] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[20:38] Speaker 1: And money is like doesn't give you a character, It
[20:41] Speaker 1: just rattus, right, You have all the money in the
[20:44] Speaker 1: world and still be a douchebag.
[20:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was that was huge for me on
[20:49] Speaker 3: that part, and that was a big reason for sort
[20:52] Speaker 3: of the switch and I started taking that my kids
[20:55] Speaker 3: were getting older, I started taking things a little more
[20:58] Speaker 3: serious but interesting. I like that, yeah, but I I
[21:02] Speaker 3: mean it was fun when when we were filming. You know.
[21:05] Speaker 3: One of the things that I liked about it too
[21:07] Speaker 3: is I always and especially now back then, it wasn't there yet,
[21:11] Speaker 3: but like I feel Reality TV now is like they're
[21:15] Speaker 3: like a listers. I almost like they're talked about more
[21:19] Speaker 3: than actual movie stars, which is crazy. Yeah, back then,
[21:23] Speaker 3: I don't think it was as big as it is now.
[21:25] Speaker 3: Like now I really do think it's it's a big thing.
[21:27] Speaker 3: But one of the things that I loved was you
[21:31] Speaker 3: got to go to all the cool events but not
[21:34] Speaker 3: have to deal with what a typical a list or
[21:39] Speaker 3: has to deal with. Like we can go to anywhere
[21:41] Speaker 3: we want, go to nice dinners and yeah, you might
[21:44] Speaker 3: have some people come up to you, but it's not
[21:47] Speaker 3: like you're j Loo where you can't even go anywhere
[21:50] Speaker 3: because there's thousands of people coming after you. You know,
[21:53] Speaker 3: you got to run your car again to deal with
[21:55] Speaker 3: any of that. But you get to go to all
[21:56] Speaker 3: the cool spots they get to go to, you know.
[21:58] Speaker 3: So Like I Remembermember, especially with the kids being I
[22:02] Speaker 3: mean they were what three, d four or five years
[22:05] Speaker 3: old at well three and five at the time, just
[22:08] Speaker 3: cruising slate and we used to go to the coolest
[22:10] Speaker 3: kids premiere, like every cool movie premiere that was a
[22:14] Speaker 3: kid like we got to go. Yeah, and you know
[22:18] Speaker 3: at these premieres they go all out. So that's one
[22:22] Speaker 3: thing that I enjoyed quite a bit because I'm like,
[22:25] Speaker 3: if it wasn't for the show, we would never get
[22:26] Speaker 3: invited to this place.
[22:28] Speaker 1: And the kids were we were having a blast. Yeah,
[22:32] Speaker 1: I think that's where I met you. I met you
[22:34] Speaker 1: at one of the iHeart Choice Kids ward, Yeah, one
[22:38] Speaker 1: of those, right, and you were there with the kids,
[22:41] Speaker 1: and I think I brought our kids with us, and yeah,
[22:44] Speaker 1: that was that. You're absolutely right. I mean, how else
[22:47] Speaker 1: would you be unless you pay for a booth or
[22:51] Speaker 1: something like that, right.
[22:52] Speaker 3: I remember they invited us one year to the Kentucky
[22:54] Speaker 3: Derby and I think Teddy was like the Dodge spokesperson
[23:00] Speaker 3: and oh my goodness, like we might as well have
[23:02] Speaker 3: been to President. Yeah. I mean it was red carpet everywhere,
[23:06] Speaker 3: and at the Kentucky Derby I got to do the
[23:08] Speaker 3: red carpet with the kids and Teddy. I mean that
[23:11] Speaker 3: was such a great experience. So it does have its perks.
[23:17] Speaker 3: That was one of my favorite experiences. With that said, was,
[23:21] Speaker 3: what's been one of your favorite experiences on the show
[23:24] Speaker 3: of an event that you got to go to because
[23:27] Speaker 3: of it?
[23:29] Speaker 1: There have been so many, Honestly, the one that stands out,
[23:33] Speaker 1: the one big one that stands out that kind of
[23:36] Speaker 1: turned my head like three hundred and sixty degrees and
[23:39] Speaker 1: I'm like, what is happening right now? Yeah, we went
[23:43] Speaker 1: to I think it's called the Gifting Suite and new
[23:50] Speaker 1: a media event where you go from room to room
[23:53] Speaker 1: and interview and talk to different people in different rooms.
[23:57] Speaker 1: And this was in I think in Hollywood or Beverly Hills,
[24:00] Speaker 1: and we were we came out of another room, We're
[24:02] Speaker 1: going into the next room, and that room we were
[24:05] Speaker 1: going into was Christina Aguilera coming out of that room
[24:10] Speaker 1: and she went totally fan fanned out on Tarmra, like,
[24:14] Speaker 1: oh my god, it's Tarma.
[24:16] Speaker 2: I'm like, what is happening right now? You're the star?
[24:22] Speaker 2: Just blew my mind.
[24:24] Speaker 1: And ever since that day, I'm like, Okay, she's she's
[24:27] Speaker 1: kind of a big deal.
[24:29] Speaker 3: Yeah. Isn't it interesting how a lot of like pop
[24:32] Speaker 3: stars and actors watch reality show? Yeah, And I think
[24:37] Speaker 3: it's because they probably usually, like athletes that I've met,
[24:41] Speaker 3: they don't like watching the sport that they once played.
[24:45] Speaker 3: I've also heard this about like actors they don't like
[24:48] Speaker 3: watching movies because that's what they do all all the time. Yeah,
[24:52] Speaker 3: but they do like love. I think maybe that's why
[24:54] Speaker 3: they love reality yeah TV, because it's it's different to them, right,
[24:59] Speaker 3: It's not really acting. It's just like, yeah, let me
[25:02] Speaker 3: checking out people's lives. But we had some experiences like
[25:05] Speaker 3: that where people would come up to Teddy and they
[25:09] Speaker 3: were just fanning out, and We're like, well, you're the star,
[25:13] Speaker 3: why are you coming up to Teddy? You know? So
[25:16] Speaker 3: it's pretty cool.
[25:17] Speaker 1: Well, I got to share with you a moment that
[25:20] Speaker 1: I witnessed.
[25:21] Speaker 3: Like I think Rihanna watches Housewives too.
[25:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was at the music Awards, the iHeart
[25:27] Speaker 1: Music Awards recently, and Teddy was there presenting her dad
[25:33] Speaker 1: with an award. And I'm sitting here, like again, another
[25:38] Speaker 1: experience that wouldn't otherwise happen if we weren't on the show.
[25:42] Speaker 1: But I'm sitting on the third row of the iHeart
[25:45] Speaker 1: Music Awards. All these like top amazing artists like Taylor Swift,
[25:55] Speaker 1: Cool Jade, those level of stars, and all the up
[25:58] Speaker 1: and coming news stars were there, and I was sensing
[26:02] Speaker 1: such a dynamic and an incredible energy in this room
[26:08] Speaker 1: that I can't even explain to you. But the most
[26:11] Speaker 1: magical moment and kind of tearful moment was when Teddy
[26:15] Speaker 1: was up on stage and she was talking about how
[26:18] Speaker 1: wonderful her dad was and presenting him with an award,
[26:20] Speaker 1: and then she walked over and her dad got on
[26:23] Speaker 1: stage and she gave him the award and he said,
[26:27] Speaker 1: if you know what I'm beginning to learn is that
[26:30] Speaker 1: John Mellencamp is a man of very few words, but
[26:32] Speaker 1: he's a great singer, but.
[26:34] Speaker 4: The very free words and when he wants to talk though,
[26:37] Speaker 4: oh really yeah, well he didn't say much, but what
[26:39] Speaker 4: he said was, and you know, I give this award
[26:43] Speaker 4: to my daughter for you know, conquering the hardest time
[26:47] Speaker 4: of her life, which is you know, the fighting the
[26:49] Speaker 4: cancer stuff.
[26:49] Speaker 1: And it was just like, oh man, this is just
[26:53] Speaker 1: at a high, high level, but at a at such
[26:56] Speaker 1: a deep emotional connection, and it was a it was
[26:59] Speaker 1: a wild experience to see that and to just see
[27:03] Speaker 1: how he held her up in a pedestal, like he's
[27:07] Speaker 1: the superstar in the music world and he was just
[27:09] Speaker 1: holding his daughter up in a pedestal. It was just
[27:12] Speaker 1: beautiful to see that and witness that. And on the
[27:15] Speaker 1: third row, bro I'm literally surrounded by all these super
[27:19] Speaker 1: successful artists. It was such a rush of an energy
[27:23] Speaker 1: that was one of the most awesome experiences. I would
[27:25] Speaker 1: have to say, since I've been on this Housewive show
[27:28] Speaker 1: or on this on this ride, Yeah, I know.
[27:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, so a lot of perks, and at least for me,
[27:35] Speaker 3: I don't think I I experienced any negativity other than
[27:39] Speaker 3: sometimes people talking shit on Twitter. I mean, for the
[27:43] Speaker 3: most part, it was it was. It was good. I
[27:45] Speaker 3: think for me too. It In many ways, it helped
[27:49] Speaker 3: my business quite a bit because it glamorized what I did, right,
[27:56] Speaker 3: and I because of the sh I attracted a lot
[28:01] Speaker 3: of sales people to want to come work for me
[28:04] Speaker 3: because the show kind of gives you third party verification
[28:09] Speaker 3: that you arrived, right. And what I mean by third
[28:13] Speaker 3: party verification is like me saying that I'm great. Of
[28:16] Speaker 3: course I'm gonna say that I'm trying to recruit you,
[28:18] Speaker 3: Like what am I gonna do? Make me sound bad? Right,
[28:22] Speaker 3: And if one of my employees is trying to go
[28:24] Speaker 3: recruit a sales guy, of course he's going to make
[28:26] Speaker 3: the companies sound great. So it's kind of like yeah,
[28:29] Speaker 3: but when it's someone else saying it, or like on
[28:33] Speaker 3: TV showing, oh shoot, this person's actually done pretty well
[28:37] Speaker 3: for themselves. Look at what they have. And I wasn't
[28:40] Speaker 3: a big hey check out my cars, check out my house.
[28:44] Speaker 3: I just I love nice things, but I've never been like,
[28:48] Speaker 3: I'm gonna show it in your face. The show did
[28:52] Speaker 3: that for me without me having to be the douche
[28:55] Speaker 3: that showed all the cool shit I have. So I
[28:58] Speaker 3: think that helped my business quite a bit because it
[29:01] Speaker 3: gave it a lot of credibility, and it started tracking
[29:04] Speaker 3: a lot of salespeople of like, damn, I might as
[29:06] Speaker 3: well get in this business because that business landed him there,
[29:09] Speaker 3: you know, and he's obviously pretty successful. And I was
[29:11] Speaker 3: on a show that's probably the glamour one, Beverly Hills.
[29:15] Speaker 3: It's very glamorous, right, So it it gave me huge credibility.
[29:22] Speaker 3: You know. In my industry, there's been other companies that
[29:24] Speaker 3: have like bought the licensing fee for like the Utah
[29:30] Speaker 3: Jazz right it would have their company name. And I
[29:33] Speaker 3: always joke that The Housewives kind of the same thing
[29:36] Speaker 3: for me. But I didn't have to pay twenty million
[29:38] Speaker 3: to put my you know name on an area advertise.
[29:43] Speaker 3: So I think in that sense, it helped me quite
[29:45] Speaker 3: a bit as well. It's just it gives you a
[29:47] Speaker 3: new level with a new level of advertising. But at
[29:51] Speaker 3: the same time, I couldn't be a part of it
[29:54] Speaker 3: because it might set something wrong, or if I paid
[29:57] Speaker 3: somebody out if I could do the opposite, right, had
[30:00] Speaker 3: all these salespeople not wanting to work with you because
[30:03] Speaker 3: their wife doesn't like you because you said some shit
[30:06] Speaker 3: you weren't supposed to say. So I think that I
[30:10] Speaker 3: was always in my head about that. No, I just
[30:12] Speaker 3: don't want to talk because what if I say something
[30:14] Speaker 3: wrong and it just pissed people off? And I was
[30:16] Speaker 3: too worried about that. So but in retrospect, I probably
[30:21] Speaker 3: I should have spoke more.
[30:23] Speaker 1: But at that time, I just I think you handled
[30:27] Speaker 1: it well and we had very much similar effects as
[30:32] Speaker 1: you have with our CBD company. You know, when we
[30:35] Speaker 1: launched that company, we were profitable in a month two Yeah,
[30:39] Speaker 1: and we didn't even have a huge office and all
[30:42] Speaker 1: that We were literally working out of a closet, and
[30:46] Speaker 1: the company took off, not just because of the amazing
[30:50] Speaker 1: products that we produced, but also the engagement that we
[30:54] Speaker 1: had already experienced been on social media for so long,
[30:57] Speaker 1: where we could talk to our future customers on social media,
[31:00] Speaker 1: so we literally would be on social media, answering questions,
[31:04] Speaker 1: sending them links, sending them information, you know, educating our customers.
[31:08] Speaker 1: And of course the minute they try our product, it's legit,
[31:12] Speaker 1: it works, and there's no side effects, it's nothing bad
[31:15] Speaker 1: about it. So I do believe without that show or
[31:19] Speaker 1: without the platform, we wouldn't have been as successful as
[31:22] Speaker 1: we are with our CBD business either.
[31:24] Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the the hard part for the women
[31:27] Speaker 3: is they take most of the heat. Yeah, you know,
[31:30] Speaker 3: we don't have to. I sort of, as I look back,
[31:33] Speaker 3: I sort of got some of the benefits of it
[31:35] Speaker 3: of the show, but I didn't really take the heat
[31:38] Speaker 3: that you know, Teddy had to take. She had to
[31:40] Speaker 3: take a lot of heat for that. So yeah, there's
[31:43] Speaker 3: definitely we got to commend the women for what they
[31:46] Speaker 3: do because it is a hard, hard heart job. I
[31:49] Speaker 3: know it looks easy to some people on TV, like, oh,
[31:52] Speaker 3: they're just gonna they're just going on TV and they're
[31:54] Speaker 3: just gonna talk shit, but no, it's it is a lot.
[32:00] Speaker 1: Yeah. I understand you were friends with p K on
[32:09] Speaker 1: the show, and he recently did a podcast talking about
[32:12] Speaker 1: The Real Housewives of Beverly Hill's effect with his relationship
[32:15] Speaker 1: with Deree. Do you think this could be because he
[32:19] Speaker 1: takes credit and says he was the one who got
[32:22] Speaker 1: her on the show.
[32:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess I can see where he's
[32:27] Speaker 3: coming from if his Again, you don't people always have
[32:31] Speaker 3: their different realities, right, I'm sure Durek has her own
[32:35] Speaker 3: reality as well what happened, But the way I saw
[32:39] Speaker 3: that clip, his reality is he was able to help
[32:44] Speaker 3: her get on the show. But probably with his background
[32:49] Speaker 3: in you know, just I think he managed boy George,
[32:52] Speaker 3: and I mean, he's done so many things. A guy's
[32:54] Speaker 3: like a serial entrepreneur. But I can see him knowing
[33:00] Speaker 3: what the audience wants and if somebody doesn't come, all
[33:05] Speaker 3: see him coaching them to be a certain way to
[33:10] Speaker 3: become really good at what they do. And I think
[33:13] Speaker 3: maybe that's where he was coming from. You know. It's
[33:16] Speaker 3: almost like what you said earlier about how Tamra just
[33:20] Speaker 3: she's a vet and she knows what she's doing, she
[33:22] Speaker 3: knows what the people want, and she can become this
[33:26] Speaker 3: character that's bigger than life when she's on the show,
[33:28] Speaker 3: even though when she's home she's not that same character.
[33:32] Speaker 3: You know, I think maybe where he was coming from.
[33:34] Speaker 3: And again this is total assumption because you know, I
[33:37] Speaker 3: don't really know the reality of it, but I think
[33:41] Speaker 3: he probably feels like he told her do this, this, this, this,
[33:45] Speaker 3: and then it it was great at the time until
[33:48] Speaker 3: it probably got out of control.
[33:49] Speaker 1: Right.
[33:50] Speaker 3: It's like, be careful what you wish for, because it
[33:53] Speaker 3: can create something that maybe when it's all said and done,
[33:57] Speaker 3: you're not gonna like very much. And I think maybe
[33:59] Speaker 3: that's sort of the way I interpreted that. But yeah,
[34:03] Speaker 3: you know, maybe we can get him on the show
[34:04] Speaker 3: one day and he could actually tell us where he's
[34:07] Speaker 3: coming from on that. But I could see that happening
[34:10] Speaker 3: very much. Yeah. I can remember.
[34:14] Speaker 1: When Terry Dubrow and Heather de bro first got on
[34:16] Speaker 1: the show. Terry mentioned that he talked he had to
[34:21] Speaker 1: actually force Heather to be on the show because she
[34:24] Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do with it, And that was
[34:26] Speaker 1: the first time I kind of assumed that, Okay, real
[34:30] Speaker 1: because Heather is a trained actress.
[34:31] Speaker 2: She is an actress.
[34:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, and I got the impression that real like working
[34:39] Speaker 1: actors and actress don't want to be on a reality
[34:42] Speaker 1: TV show. So I could see how that could be true,
[34:45] Speaker 1: that Terry was like, just do it, just do it.
[34:47] Speaker 1: It's an opportunity, just do it. And and she ended
[34:50] Speaker 1: up getting on the show and doing great, And it
[34:53] Speaker 1: turns out even I think I think Terry's hilarious. I
[34:59] Speaker 1: think he's he's he's a natural. I mean, I love
[35:03] Speaker 1: watching him on TV, and I just love hanging out
[35:05] Speaker 1: with him.
[35:05] Speaker 3: He's just so much fun.
[35:06] Speaker 1: But I could see how that could be, you know,
[35:11] Speaker 1: like the springboard for her, like you're go do it.
[35:15] Speaker 3: But yeah, but again, I think things could become addicting, right, Like,
[35:19] Speaker 3: like I think of the of the women that do
[35:21] Speaker 3: this show. It they're under so much stress to perform,
[35:26] Speaker 3: and it's like, Okay, I got to wear a new
[35:29] Speaker 3: outfit every time I'm on camera, and it's kinda be
[35:32] Speaker 3: the best outfit. And you know, maybe at first it
[35:36] Speaker 3: starts out very innocent, you just but then you get addicted,
[35:40] Speaker 3: just like anything, and then next thing you know, you're like,
[35:44] Speaker 3: you know, shipping boxes of clothes to your house and
[35:47] Speaker 3: spending millions on clothes, you know, and it gets out
[35:52] Speaker 3: of hand, right, So I could see how a husband
[35:56] Speaker 3: at the time says, Okay, enough's enough, but then it's
[35:58] Speaker 3: too late. It's it's uncontrollable, and that person's become so
[36:03] Speaker 3: powerful now that she's maybe like I don't need you anymore,
[36:08] Speaker 3: so I'm gonna do things my way, whereas before it
[36:11] Speaker 3: might have not been that way because they weren't that powerful.
[36:15] Speaker 3: Yet again, total interpretation. I'm just you know, just speaking
[36:19] Speaker 3: out loud. Those things that could happen, but not that
[36:24] Speaker 3: could happen. I've seen those things happen, not in reality,
[36:27] Speaker 3: but I've seen friends that have gone through that okay,
[36:32] Speaker 3: you know where it's it's almost like I've created ante
[36:37] Speaker 3: or something and then it's like, oh shoot, now they
[36:43] Speaker 3: that person loved it too much, and now that person
[36:45] Speaker 3: is a different person.
[36:46] Speaker 1: You know.
[36:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so maybe that's where he was coming from.
[36:50] Speaker 3: I'm taking it from what I've seen with friends and
[36:53] Speaker 3: how what they've experienced.
[36:55] Speaker 1: It's hard for me to really understand it because one
[37:00] Speaker 1: of the things that I've seen it happen, which again
[37:04] Speaker 1: spun my head, was a lot of the stuff that
[37:08] Speaker 1: Tama would would wear on TV that's high end or
[37:13] Speaker 1: a product was usually given to her. I can't tell
[37:16] Speaker 1: you how much shit is given to celebrities, so that,
[37:21] Speaker 1: you know, as a brand and business owner, I want to.
[37:25] Speaker 2: Do the same thing we do.
[37:26] Speaker 3: That's a good book.
[37:26] Speaker 1: We do with our CBD company, you know, we send
[37:29] Speaker 1: products to a lot of influencers, a lot of stars.
[37:34] Speaker 1: We get products too, you know, randomly from other companies,
[37:38] Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, the people that can afford this
[37:41] Speaker 1: stuff don't pay for it. People that can't are paid
[37:45] Speaker 1: for it. Make it make sense?
[37:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I think in Beverly Hills it becomes a
[37:52] Speaker 3: little bit of an issue. Is that Gucci Chanel deal
[37:56] Speaker 3: or they ain't given anything away? Now you're buying that
[37:59] Speaker 3: bad ball, you know. But I do see the perks
[38:03] Speaker 3: of because we used to get free stuff left and right,
[38:07] Speaker 3: you know, and it was it was like, Wow, this
[38:09] Speaker 3: is some pretty cool stuff we're getting for free. But
[38:11] Speaker 3: is it free right exactly? Is it free exactly? But
[38:17] Speaker 3: I think that's that's I mean, some of these girls
[38:19] Speaker 3: in BH, man, they spent some money, yeah, on looking glamorous.
[38:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard something about I think it was one
[38:28] Speaker 1: of the housewives. I don't remember which one it was,
[38:30] Speaker 1: but they were shooting a party for a house party
[38:32] Speaker 1: or something like that, and apparently she spent like seventy
[38:35] Speaker 1: thousand dollars of her own money to produce this party
[38:39] Speaker 1: for TV. And that doesn't make it does not make
[38:43] Speaker 1: any sense. But if you're in that world.
[38:46] Speaker 3: You go, you can go negative easily the first year
[38:49] Speaker 3: you're on the show. Yeah, you keep up with the
[38:51] Speaker 3: Joneses on that. Yeah, because your salary is not that
[38:54] Speaker 3: much your first year. But now I got to show Glamor,
[38:58] Speaker 3: you can easily go negative that first year, and I
[39:00] Speaker 3: think many women do.
[39:03] Speaker 1: I I was just going to ask you that, like,
[39:04] Speaker 1: do you think some people make a drastic lifestyle change
[39:07] Speaker 1: to appear a certain way for the show?
[39:10] Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I think it gets competitive. I
[39:13] Speaker 3: think you know, with me, I loved the house that
[39:17] Speaker 3: I mean, my Hollywood Hills house is my dream home.
[39:20] Speaker 3: And I know part of well, I mean, we also
[39:23] Speaker 3: had a baby and at the time Teddy's like, hey,
[39:25] Speaker 3: we need a house that's got a little more land.
[39:28] Speaker 3: If it was up to me, I would have made
[39:30] Speaker 3: Hollywood Hills work. Yeah, because I love that house, even
[39:33] Speaker 3: though it's a little bit more of a bachelor house.
[39:36] Speaker 3: The view of Hollywood, but yeah, the whole view of
[39:40] Speaker 3: the whole city. Right, Oh cool, But what did influence
[39:43] Speaker 3: me a bit? I'm like, well, you know what, which
[39:46] Speaker 3: is the house I'm in? Now? What influenced me to
[39:48] Speaker 3: buy this house? In addition to Okay, it's a little
[39:50] Speaker 3: more family friendly, was like, oh, this this house will
[39:53] Speaker 3: actually show very well on the show. And the thinking
[39:56] Speaker 3: behind it was like, Okay, it's going to good for
[39:58] Speaker 3: the business. It's going to show a certain lifestyle because
[40:01] Speaker 3: this I mean, you've been to this house. The details
[40:04] Speaker 3: on this house has bananas. Yeah, And of course I
[40:08] Speaker 3: ended up getting the house, and then that same I
[40:11] Speaker 3: bought the house, and I think two weeks after that
[40:14] Speaker 3: we find out Teddy got fired. So I'm like, mother effort.
[40:18] Speaker 3: I bought this house thinking I was gonna be shooting
[40:20] Speaker 3: at it, and you know, Teddy's not in on the
[40:22] Speaker 3: show anymore. But in retrospect, I wouldn't change anything about it.
[40:26] Speaker 3: I love this house. The kids loved this house. Hollywood
[40:29] Speaker 3: Hills is still my dream home. But this house is
[40:32] Speaker 3: great to entertain, It's made to entertain, and again, the
[40:35] Speaker 3: finishes are amazing. I just I love I've always loved
[40:38] Speaker 3: the view of a city, which is why I think
[40:40] Speaker 3: Colin Hill still gets my boat. Yeah. But but yeah,
[40:43] Speaker 3: I was. I got that. I totally get that.
[40:47] Speaker 1: Totally get that.
[40:48] Speaker 3: I bought I bought. I bought a Lamborghini on the show.
[40:50] Speaker 3: That was also that was also based on I probably
[40:56] Speaker 3: because I already had a Lamborghini, but I bought a
[40:58] Speaker 3: newer one. But a part of that was also, Okay,
[41:01] Speaker 3: let's show the success where I won't have to brag
[41:04] Speaker 3: about it. The show brag about it on its own,
[41:07] Speaker 3: and that's going to attract more sales people. Again, I
[41:11] Speaker 3: come from a big part of my business is I
[41:13] Speaker 3: got to sell the dream, right, you want to have
[41:17] Speaker 3: your lifestyle. If your lifestyle is I'm just working all
[41:21] Speaker 3: day and I'm not living a fun life, then why
[41:23] Speaker 3: would they want to do your business. But if you
[41:26] Speaker 3: can show people, hey, yes I work hard, I guess
[41:30] Speaker 3: I'm also living a pretty dream life, They're going to
[41:32] Speaker 3: be like, I want to do that. So the show
[41:36] Speaker 3: influenced me to do certain things that I probably didn't
[41:39] Speaker 3: have to do at the time. Now, Luckily for me,
[41:41] Speaker 3: it didn't put me in a financial bund but it
[41:44] Speaker 3: could see how you could get into things and to
[41:48] Speaker 3: try to just stay keep up with the Jones and
[41:50] Speaker 3: then get in trouble because of it.
[41:52] Speaker 1: You know, well, I could only imagine some of the
[41:56] Speaker 1: women's or some of the cast members in Beverly Hills
[42:00] Speaker 1: of homes you walked into and you looked around and
[42:03] Speaker 1: you felt like my house sucks.
[42:06] Speaker 3: Like Lisa's house was bananas. I mean, Kyle's house is beautiful.
[42:12] Speaker 3: I mean, I think my favorite homes were definitely Savannah
[42:16] Speaker 3: Pumps is really nice and Kyle's house is amazing. I've
[42:20] Speaker 3: always been a big fan of our house and her
[42:22] Speaker 3: big I mean that's one of her house. I just
[42:25] Speaker 3: love how much sland she has, and I was like, well,
[42:28] Speaker 3: maybe we should get a little more land. But yes,
[42:30] Speaker 3: I never went to uh Erica's house, but I heard
[42:34] Speaker 3: her house is pretty amazing as well. This stone in Pasadena,
[42:37] Speaker 3: but Deitz was similar to ours, well, the one we
[42:43] Speaker 3: when we bought after the fact.
[42:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, but those influency, right, those those those those experiences
[42:51] Speaker 1: even today when you know, we have a house in
[42:54] Speaker 1: Big Bear and my wife she decorated it and did
[42:59] Speaker 1: everything to it. And she does it because she loves
[43:01] Speaker 1: to do that. That's like her therapy for her. She
[43:06] Speaker 1: loves to decorate and reap and do that kind of stuff.
[43:10] Speaker 1: And I'm starting to like it now. But I hated
[43:12] Speaker 1: it at first because I had to do the work.
[43:15] Speaker 1: But when we go riding our bikes around Big Bear
[43:19] Speaker 1: and then we go into the you know, nice neighborhoods
[43:22] Speaker 1: with the giant homes up there, she always comes home
[43:26] Speaker 1: and she's like, I hate my house.
[43:29] Speaker 2: How could you hate your house?
[43:30] Speaker 1: We have such a connection with it. But it's that
[43:34] Speaker 1: natural human instance or a feeling, like when you see
[43:37] Speaker 1: something bigger than yours. And it happened to me when
[43:41] Speaker 1: I started working at my dad's law firm. I was
[43:44] Speaker 1: driving a like a hot rod Camaro, right, and I
[43:47] Speaker 1: was just a foul clerk. And I pull into this
[43:50] Speaker 1: parking lot and ninety nine percent of the cars are
[43:53] Speaker 1: and they're BMW's Mercedes, you know, all these super nice cars.
[43:57] Speaker 1: And I'm like, I still like car, but I want
[44:00] Speaker 1: to fit in. And so a year later I got
[44:03] Speaker 1: into a BMW and then ever since then I had BMW's.
[44:06] Speaker 3: But I sometimes sometimes it's a good thing to touch
[44:09] Speaker 3: the dream because it makes you go after it. And
[44:12] Speaker 3: you know, I always tell people like, you have this
[44:15] Speaker 3: unlimited potential, but you're it is limited to where you're
[44:17] Speaker 3: at today. Yeah, right, But after you reach a new
[44:20] Speaker 3: sort of achievement, you now believe a little more, like, hey,
[44:25] Speaker 3: maybe I do belong here, maybe I could do this.
[44:27] Speaker 3: And everything in life is confidence, but you never know
[44:30] Speaker 3: if you can or not until you try it. Like
[44:33] Speaker 3: every time I always went after something big in my life,
[44:36] Speaker 3: I was always scared. Yeah, well, and but then when
[44:38] Speaker 3: I made it happen, it brought me a new level
[44:42] Speaker 3: of confidence that then allowed me to go after even
[44:45] Speaker 3: bigger things the next time. But so there's there's goodness
[44:49] Speaker 3: about it, and but if you get addicted to it,
[44:52] Speaker 3: it can be a problem.
[44:54] Speaker 1: It could, Yeah, it could definitely hurt you. Have you
[44:57] Speaker 1: ever experienced like a situation very similar to that, where,
[45:02] Speaker 1: let's say, for me, I went to a house in
[45:06] Speaker 1: Newport Beach. It was I think I was an EO
[45:08] Speaker 1: and one of the members had a house literally on
[45:12] Speaker 1: the ocean in this in this area that's private, And
[45:16] Speaker 1: of course all the houses there were incredible, probably I
[45:20] Speaker 1: don't know. At the time, this was a long time ago.
[45:22] Speaker 1: At the time, the houses were going for about twenty
[45:25] Speaker 1: five thirty million, and I'm thinking, I can't even fathom
[45:31] Speaker 1: how I'm going to make twenty five million dollars to
[45:34] Speaker 1: have a house like this, Like, I couldn't conceptualize what
[45:36] Speaker 1: I could do.
[45:38] Speaker 3: I could.
[45:38] Speaker 1: I mean, even if I gave my left leg and
[45:40] Speaker 1: my left arm, I still can't see myself having this
[45:44] Speaker 1: twenty five million.
[45:46] Speaker 2: Dollar house on the sand.
[45:49] Speaker 1: And of course the owners of that house, they founded
[45:53] Speaker 1: this this beverage company. It was an alcohol beverage company,
[45:56] Speaker 1: and they obviously did really well and were very wildly
[46:00] Speaker 1: successful and never super cool. I mean, everybody in Eyo
[46:03] Speaker 1: I met was super cool, but that was the first
[46:06] Speaker 1: time I was like, I just can't see that happening
[46:09] Speaker 1: for me.
[46:09] Speaker 2: I just I can't wrap my head around it.
[46:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, have you ever experienced anything like that?
[46:15] Speaker 3: Oh, it still happens all the time. I think, you know,
[46:18] Speaker 3: I think, whatever that dream is, I think sometimes not
[46:22] Speaker 3: saying that that was your dream, but whatever dream it is.
[46:26] Speaker 3: I think sometimes when we think of the how you
[46:29] Speaker 3: sort of psych ourselves out and the minute you say
[46:32] Speaker 3: I can't do it, then it won't happen. Right, I'm
[46:36] Speaker 3: a big agree with you. I'm a big proverbs guy.
[46:38] Speaker 3: And my favorite proverbs I think it's eighteen twenty one.
[46:42] Speaker 3: It's his life and tongue are in the power of
[46:44] Speaker 3: the tongue. And my mom always taught me that at
[46:47] Speaker 3: a young age. So I'm very careful with what I say.
[46:53] Speaker 3: And when I think something might not be possible, it's
[46:57] Speaker 3: worked for me all the time. I'm like, I don't
[47:00] Speaker 3: know how'm gonna do it, but it's gonna happen. Yeah,
[47:02] Speaker 3: Like I remember just being at twelve years old, I
[47:07] Speaker 3: used to be obsessed with making one hundred grand a
[47:09] Speaker 3: year and I used to think about this number all
[47:11] Speaker 3: the time because I related that number to getting out
[47:16] Speaker 3: of the hood right and and helping my family out,
[47:20] Speaker 3: because I wanted to help my just the promises I
[47:22] Speaker 3: made my parents. And I remember thinking to myself, I
[47:24] Speaker 3: don't know how I'm gonna do it, but I'm gonna
[47:26] Speaker 3: figure it out. I know by twenty and I give
[47:28] Speaker 3: myself a target by twenty one years old, I'm gonna
[47:30] Speaker 3: be making one hundred grand a year no matter what.
[47:33] Speaker 3: And I just kept saying that, and I just remember
[47:35] Speaker 3: always thinking, I don't know how, but I'm gonna do it.
[47:37] Speaker 3: Cause again, I think if you if you think of
[47:39] Speaker 3: the how you psych yourself out and it sort of
[47:42] Speaker 3: robs you of the dopamine release that happens when you
[47:45] Speaker 3: don't think of the how. Right, when you don't think
[47:48] Speaker 3: of how, you never you all of a sudden feel
[47:50] Speaker 3: like it's happening even though, And then before you know it,
[47:53] Speaker 3: your subconscious mind will figure out ways to get it
[47:58] Speaker 3: like it just it'll find it'll hear things that normally
[48:00] Speaker 3: wouldn't hear if it wasn't important to you. When something's
[48:03] Speaker 3: important to you, you'll see it. When something is not
[48:06] Speaker 3: important to you, you won't see it. So the minute
[48:10] Speaker 3: you say this can't happen, there could be an opportunity
[48:14] Speaker 3: to make that dream happen, but you won't even see
[48:16] Speaker 3: it because it's not part of your reality. So I mean,
[48:19] Speaker 3: that's another We'll leave that for another time because we
[48:21] Speaker 3: got to go. But man, great show today. Thank you
[48:25] Speaker 3: for always asking good questions and I was, and always
[48:29] Speaker 3: being so honest with the way you answer things. I
[48:31] Speaker 3: always love the way when I ask you the question,
[48:33] Speaker 3: you just answer them and there's just like no filters.
[48:35] Speaker 1: So yeah, that's who we are, man, We're real.
[48:38] Speaker 3: I love it.
[48:39] Speaker 1: Always great catching up with you too, bros. Great, I'll
[48:42] Speaker 1: see you next time.

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