# We have a girl inside the house during rush leaking us information.

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 6 Sep 2026, 38 min.

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It’s the middle of rush at one prestigious west coast university, and our source is in the middle of it all. Listen in as things get dirty. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, the truth about sorority life, with
[0:04] Speaker 1: your hosts, me, Gia Giudice.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Hi, everybody. This is a
[0:16] Speaker 2: juicy one. This is a juicy one. Okay, so this
[0:19] Speaker 2: is what I would call this dirty. This is a
[0:21] Speaker 2: dirty rush, dirty rush. So we have someone here who
[0:25] Speaker 2: will remain nameless. She is a senior. at a college
[0:31] Speaker 2: on the West Coast. I will say that. I also
[0:33] Speaker 2: will say she is in the middle of rush. So
[0:35] Speaker 2: we grabbed her. It's bid day today. We grabbed her
[0:40] Speaker 2: out and we're going to get all the dirty dirt.
[0:43] Speaker 2: You are in a top house. I would argue you're
[0:46] Speaker 2: in the top house at your school. Some people could
[0:48] Speaker 2: argue there's probably two. Would you say there's two or
[0:50] Speaker 2: three top houses?
[0:51] Speaker 3: I would say there's one other one that's up there
[0:53] Speaker 3: with us.
[0:53] Speaker 2: That's considered the top two. And then would you say
[0:56] Speaker 2: there's two more that are sort of right below?
[0:58] Speaker 3: Yes.
[0:59] Speaker 2: I will say the names of those four houses and
[1:01] Speaker 2: you won't know what house she's in. Kappa, Alpha Phi,
[1:03] Speaker 2: Pi Phi, DG?
[1:04] Speaker 3: Yes.
[1:06] Speaker 2: So she's in the top two of those four, whatever
[1:09] Speaker 2: you consider those to be. It is the middle of Rush.
[1:12] Speaker 2: And we're going to get the inside track of what's happening.
[1:15] Speaker 2: So first, let's quickly go through The days. So Rush
[1:19] Speaker 2: goes for about a week at your school. She's counting,
[1:22] Speaker 2: counting on her fingers. Five. College student, counting on her fingers.
[1:25] Speaker 2: So five days. And the first two days, they go
[1:28] Speaker 2: to all the houses. Then what's the third day? Sisterhood.
[1:32] Speaker 2: And what happens on sisterhood?
[1:34] Speaker 1: Sisterhood is where they go. The PNMs go from 12
[1:37] Speaker 1: houses to nine houses. So we rank them. They rank us.
[1:40] Speaker 3: Sisterhood is house tours. So that's fun.
[1:44] Speaker 2: So that's when they go and they see the houses. Yes.
[1:46] Speaker 2: And I always think that certain houses have an advantage
[1:49] Speaker 2: that don't have super gnarly sleeping porches, but we can
[1:53] Speaker 2: get into that another time. So then what's on the
[1:55] Speaker 2: fourth day?
[1:56] Speaker 3: Fourth day is philo.
[1:58] Speaker 2: Okay. So this is strange that you guys call it philo.
[2:01] Speaker 2: So I think for people that don't know, that's philanthropy.
[2:06] Speaker 2: So this is where you share the charity or the
[2:10] Speaker 2: organization that is passionate to your sorority. In this case,
[2:14] Speaker 2: Kappa Alpha Phi DG Pi Phi. Okay, so you've told
[2:17] Speaker 2: me previously, and I know this secret person, what makes
[2:22] Speaker 2: your sorority so strong on Philo Day? Philo Day. Philo Day.
[2:30] Speaker 1: For us with our chapter, our chapter is very universal.
[2:33] Speaker 1: And they also like these philanthropies, they're nationwide. So at every-
[2:37] Speaker 1: So at every Kappa, it's this thing. At every DG,
[2:39] Speaker 1: it's this thing. At every Pi Phi, it's this thing.
[2:41] Speaker 1: At every Alpha Phi, it's this thing.
[2:43] Speaker 2: Yes. So say somebody's charity could be breast cancer. So
[2:46] Speaker 2: across the whole country, that sorority focuses on breast cancer
[2:52] Speaker 2: as their initiative.
[2:54] Speaker 1: So Kappa is mental health. A Phi is heart health
[2:57] Speaker 1: for women. Pi Phi is literacy for children. It goes
[3:01] Speaker 1: and not the same every year.
[3:02] Speaker 3: No.
[3:03] Speaker 2: So this is sort of for a decade at a time.
[3:06] Speaker 3: Right.
[3:06] Speaker 1: So below day, I remember when I was doing it
[3:10] Speaker 1: as like as a PNM, you know, you go into
[3:13] Speaker 1: each house and. From my perspective, there were some houses
[3:17] Speaker 1: that definitely just felt like they were doing their philo
[3:20] Speaker 1: because it was required.
[3:21] Speaker 3: It wasn't anything that they really cared about.
[3:23] Speaker 1: It was just like, this is required from us by
[3:26] Speaker 1: Panhellenic and we have to raise excess money. We have
[3:30] Speaker 1: to do two events a year and this is what
[3:33] Speaker 1: we're going to do and that's about it. And sometimes
[3:36] Speaker 1: it can be a little bit of a snooze when
[3:37] Speaker 1: you're at these houses and they're giving their presentations and
[3:40] Speaker 1: it's just no one cares. No one's affected by anything.
[3:43] Speaker 1: No one like, has any passion going really towards it.
[3:46] Speaker 1: It just seems like something that we have to do.
[3:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, because from a bird's eye view, it does seem dull. Look,
[3:53] Speaker 2: this is where we keep it real. I think philanthropy
[3:57] Speaker 2: is very important. I think being charitable is very important.
[4:00] Speaker 2: As a college freshman, I think I would think, well,
[4:02] Speaker 2: this is dull or wah, wah, wah, kind of like
[4:06] Speaker 2: I'm just hearing it. So what makes it so special
[4:09] Speaker 2: at your house where it actually helps you win?
[4:13] Speaker 1: For our house, what we do, so we actually have
[4:17] Speaker 1: two philanthropies. We have one that's on campus and then
[4:20] Speaker 1: we have one that's national.
[4:22] Speaker 2: Okay.
[4:22] Speaker 1: So for the one that we do on campus, it was,
[4:26] Speaker 1: it's something for an alumni that we had. And we
[4:29] Speaker 1: share a really emotional video that we've made, that we've
[4:32] Speaker 1: used over the years.
[4:33] Speaker 2: And that kind of- That's girls from your school or
[4:36] Speaker 2: more national? From our school. Okay, cool. That's from our school.
[4:39] Speaker 1: And then for our second philo, which is our national philo,
[4:42] Speaker 1: we have one of our girls who was our philanthropy
[4:45] Speaker 1: chair last year come up and do a speech about
[4:48] Speaker 1: how she was very personally affected by what our philo
[4:52] Speaker 1: fights for.
[4:53] Speaker 3: A cause for, basically.
[4:55] Speaker 1: And very, very emotional, tearjerker story because it's just.
[5:02] Speaker 3: It's true. It's true and it's real and you can
[5:05] Speaker 3: see that.
[5:08] Speaker 1: I think it catches the PNM's attention that this isn't
[5:11] Speaker 1: just something that we're required to do. And it then
[5:14] Speaker 1: allows them to connect more with us and be something
[5:17] Speaker 1: that's more vulnerable.
[5:19] Speaker 2: Go beyond the surface. What's your major? Where'd you go
[5:21] Speaker 2: to high school?
[5:22] Speaker 3: Right.
[5:22] Speaker 2: And what dorm are you in to something that's like real?
[5:25] Speaker 1: Yeah. So for, and for us too, like we always say,
[5:27] Speaker 1: like when we start off with the two unity days
[5:30] Speaker 1: and sisterhood, like those are more traditional surface level days
[5:34] Speaker 1: where you're having more.
[5:36] Speaker 3: Cookie cutter conversations.
[5:38] Speaker 1: Then for us, when we go into philo and we
[5:40] Speaker 1: go into prep, that's when we're vamping things up. I
[5:43] Speaker 1: would say other houses, that's when they're starting to lose
[5:45] Speaker 1: momentum because they're not really connecting with their PNMs by
[5:49] Speaker 1: the time that philo hits and it's kind of a
[5:52] Speaker 1: snooze fest.
[5:53] Speaker 2: Okay. So then the fifth day, which was last night
[5:58] Speaker 2: for you at this mystery, mystery school was prep night.
[6:03] Speaker 2: So how would you describe pref night? Like what is, what,
[6:06] Speaker 2: what happens that night? Give sort of a little bit of,
[6:09] Speaker 2: you know, explanation.
[6:11] Speaker 1: Pref night for us is we really solidly say that
[6:15] Speaker 1: every single girl that comes back to pref and makes
[6:18] Speaker 1: it that far are girls that we want.
[6:20] Speaker 2: So say a hundred, can you even give me a
[6:22] Speaker 2: ballpark number? So do you have, you have two parties
[6:25] Speaker 2: on pref night?
[6:25] Speaker 1: Four.
[6:27] Speaker 2: Four.
[6:28] Speaker 3: Oh, because we have, you have four, four P and
[6:31] Speaker 3: F go to two.
[6:32] Speaker 2: So how many about at every party? 50?
[6:36] Speaker 3: No, like- Less. Maybe 30.
[6:39] Speaker 2: Okay. So say there's about 120 girls then. So 30, 30, 30, 30.
[6:45] Speaker 2: And would you say for the most part, you would
[6:50] Speaker 2: be happy with all 120 of those girls? So at
[6:52] Speaker 2: that point, they're down to it. You pretty much want them.
[6:56] Speaker 2: And now it's putting them on the top of the
[6:58] Speaker 2: list or the is that how you guys do it?
[7:01] Speaker 2: The way it was in my day is like, say
[7:03] Speaker 2: there's one to 120 and the list goes and your top,
[7:07] Speaker 2: top 50 are the top 50. And then the second
[7:10] Speaker 2: half is your next. And then so on.
[7:13] Speaker 1: Ours for us, how it works now is you have
[7:16] Speaker 1: these things called prep points. And this is every, every
[7:19] Speaker 1: chapter you have are given six prep points and you
[7:22] Speaker 1: can give a prep point to a girl that you
[7:24] Speaker 1: either have a connection score with, which I'll explain or,
[7:29] Speaker 1: Or you talk to them at some point during recruitment.
[7:32] Speaker 3: It could have been you talk to them on Unity Day.
[7:34] Speaker 2: Every current girl in the house gets six?
[7:37] Speaker 3: Yes. Oh, wow.
[7:38] Speaker 2: This is so different.
[7:38] Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah. So every girl.
[7:40] Speaker 2: And you have to figure out how to spend your six.
[7:43] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[7:43] Speaker 1: I mean, normally you even actually don't end up using
[7:47] Speaker 1: all six because.
[7:49] Speaker 1: A lot of girls don't make it back that you
[7:51] Speaker 1: had talked to in the beginning. I mean, you have
[7:53] Speaker 1: to think of like, we started with 1,500 PMS.
[7:55] Speaker 3: Right, right, right. And now we're down to 120.
[7:57] Speaker 2: Would you give all six of your prep points to
[8:00] Speaker 2: one girl? No. Oh, you have to spread it out.
[8:02] Speaker 3: You have to spread it out. A max one, so.
[8:04] Speaker 1: And before recruitment starts, you have something called a connection
[8:07] Speaker 1: score where you are given the entire list of all
[8:10] Speaker 1: the PNMs that come in. And if you have a
[8:13] Speaker 1: connection to them, you went to high school with them.
[8:15] Speaker 1: If they're from your hometown, if they're a family friend,
[8:17] Speaker 1: whatever it is, you can give them a preference point.
[8:20] Speaker 1: And because you.
[8:21] Speaker 2: Have a connection score with them. By the way, anyone listening,
[8:24] Speaker 2: this is so confusing. And the way we used to
[8:26] Speaker 2: do it is so much easier. This is like a mess,
[8:29] Speaker 2: but okay. So you've got your monopoly money and you're
[8:31] Speaker 2: spending your $ 6 on Okay. So then you say, I'm
[8:35] Speaker 2: going to give Mary a dollar. I'm going to give
[8:38] Speaker 2: Sally a point. I'm going to give Susie a dollar.
[8:41] Speaker 2: I'm going to give Paige a dollar and I'm going
[8:43] Speaker 2: to give Molly a dollar.
[8:45] Speaker 1: Let's say, so let's say that you, it's preference night
[8:49] Speaker 1: and you don't see a single girl that you talk
[8:50] Speaker 1: to from recruitment. None of them, none of them made
[8:53] Speaker 1: it back.
[8:53] Speaker 2: Okay.
[8:54] Speaker 3: Then it's, I have six preference points. What do I do?
[8:57] Speaker 1: What we do then on Pref is you allow drop-ins.
[9:00] Speaker 1: You can do max two drop-ins where you can go
[9:03] Speaker 1: drop in on a PNM and.
[9:06] Speaker 3: Their Pref buddy.
[9:07] Speaker 2: To meet them.
[9:07] Speaker 3: To meet them so that you can give them a
[9:09] Speaker 3: Pref point.
[9:10] Speaker 2: But you can only do it to two people.
[9:11] Speaker 3: You can only do it.
[9:12] Speaker 2: Each party?
[9:14] Speaker 3: Each party.
[9:15] Speaker 2: For people listening, it's so like, look, I get it.
[9:17] Speaker 2: It's like, huh? All right, so let's try to like
[9:21] Speaker 2: help people here. So Pref night's happening and- typically two
[9:28] Speaker 2: girls prep a girl. Is that right?
[9:31] Speaker 1: You have two, one girl will prep one PNM. And
[9:34] Speaker 1: then once those two run off to their room together, one-on-one, one-on-one.
[9:40] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[9:41] Speaker 1: Once those PNM and active run to a room together,
[9:44] Speaker 1: they chit chat for a while. Then there'll be two
[9:47] Speaker 1: other girls that are active.
[9:50] Speaker 3: And they will go and drop in, in the room.
[9:53] Speaker 2: So, so we, and, I can't reveal, but this secret
[9:58] Speaker 2: person and I are in a similar sorority. I'll say
[10:02] Speaker 2: that much. So we had two-on-one prepping. And in my case,
[10:08] Speaker 2: I knew both of them. They were both hometown people.
[10:12] Speaker 2: So that I think also is more rare, right? Because
[10:17] Speaker 2: you would... typically meet have met the person that that
[10:20] Speaker 2: week right yeah.
[10:21] Speaker 1: You typically don't we typically want to avoid you prepping
[10:25] Speaker 1: someone just because you're hometown people that's more a thing
[10:30] Speaker 1: of you can drop in but you shouldn't be the
[10:32] Speaker 1: main prep person as I would say that more so
[10:35] Speaker 1: if you're a junior or senior got it I mean.
[10:38] Speaker 2: Yeah and look on on prep I went to Kappa
[10:42] Speaker 2: DG and Tridel and at Kappa, I knew both people.
[10:47] Speaker 2: At DG, I knew both people. And at Tridel, they
[10:50] Speaker 2: were new. I didn't know them, but I kind of
[10:53] Speaker 2: knew people they knew. So I think back in the day,
[10:56] Speaker 2: it was more common that you would actually pref the
[10:58] Speaker 2: person you knew from growing up or high school or
[11:01] Speaker 2: family or whatever. Okay, so tell me a little bit
[11:06] Speaker 2: about Pref Night. You've got this girl in the room.
[11:09] Speaker 2: What kind of stuff are you now saying to her?
[11:11] Speaker 3: Craft night for us is night.
[11:12] Speaker 2: We have to be one-on-one. For some reason, I thought
[11:14] Speaker 2: you weren't allowed to ever be one-on-one with a person
[11:16] Speaker 2: in the room, but I'm using that. So you can be,
[11:21] Speaker 2: and you go into the bedrooms.
[11:22] Speaker 3: Yes.
[11:23] Speaker 2: And do you sit on the balcony? No.
[11:26] Speaker 3: That's too out in the open.
[11:27] Speaker 2: If your house has a balcony.
[11:29] Speaker 3: Okay.
[11:30] Speaker 2: So you're in the room with the girl. And what
[11:33] Speaker 2: kind of stuff are you saying to her now at
[11:34] Speaker 2: this point?
[11:34] Speaker 1: I think this is a point now where you can
[11:37] Speaker 1: talk about the untraditional things that you aren't supposed to
[11:40] Speaker 1: talk about.
[11:41] Speaker 3: During recruitment such as going out like um the fun
[11:46] Speaker 3: events that you guys do together of like if you
[11:49] Speaker 3: guys do something with like this frat house.
[11:51] Speaker 2: Invite talking about bullies you're talking.
[11:53] Speaker 1: About like what people like to say like the five
[11:56] Speaker 1: b's so you're going to talk about those things and
[11:58] Speaker 1: it's mainly just because this is a night where like
[12:02] Speaker 1: we're fighting for them we need to convince them that
[12:04] Speaker 1: they should be in this house and not the one
[12:06] Speaker 1: other house that they're prepping So if that involves us
[12:10] Speaker 1: making a PowerPoint and showing them like the unhinged photos
[12:14] Speaker 1: of how we actually are once they join the sorority,
[12:18] Speaker 1: then that's going to help. And that's more enticing and
[12:20] Speaker 1: that gets them more excited.
[12:21] Speaker 2: This point now, here's my hot take on Rush. All
[12:25] Speaker 2: through the week, it's advantage house, especially top houses, right?
[12:30] Speaker 2: The house really has the advantage. On pref night, it
[12:33] Speaker 2: really flips, in my opinion. Now the girl has the advantage,
[12:36] Speaker 2: especially if she's going to two top houses, because that
[12:39] Speaker 2: means these houses are now fighting for her. And she's
[12:42] Speaker 2: kind of in pole position where she really is going
[12:45] Speaker 2: to pick. So what happens is after last night, they
[12:47] Speaker 2: come and it went late, right? You went to like
[12:49] Speaker 2: 11 o'clock at night.
[12:51] Speaker 3: So late. I don't think I was home till like 12.
[12:53] Speaker 2: Because school is also, you're good doing school.
[12:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, we do every part, every round after school. So
[12:58] Speaker 1: it's like, you start at like six.
[12:59] Speaker 2: So you have these parties, the girls leave and they
[13:03] Speaker 2: go wherever they go and they write down number one,
[13:06] Speaker 2: number two. So if they went to DG and Kappa,
[13:10] Speaker 2: they put whatever their top choice is and whatever their
[13:12] Speaker 2: second choice is. And somehow- Through the algorithm, through Panhellenic,
[13:17] Speaker 2: there's some sort of everything enters into a computer. This
[13:20] Speaker 2: is my archaic way of explaining it. And the computer
[13:23] Speaker 2: figures out the matches because it wants to get the girls.
[13:27] Speaker 2: They're number one. Right.
[13:28] Speaker 3: It's in the PNF's favor. Yeah.
[13:30] Speaker 2: And so if you're anywhere in the top list or
[13:33] Speaker 2: these points in our day, it was like a list.
[13:37] Speaker 2: and you match, you're going to get your first choice.
[13:39] Speaker 2: They want to give you your first choice at that point.
[13:41] Speaker 2: This is where like when people call me and they're like,
[13:43] Speaker 2: should I suicide? Excuse the word, but that's what people
[13:46] Speaker 2: call it. I usually say no.
[13:50] Speaker 3: No, I normally recommend to not suicide.
[13:54] Speaker 2: Second house is a house that you literally will not,
[13:56] Speaker 2: you'll turn it down.
[13:57] Speaker 1: I still even say, even if you do have a
[14:02] Speaker 1: higher rank house and a lower rank house, and you're
[14:04] Speaker 1: going into that on prep, It is really best to
[14:08] Speaker 1: just put that as your number one.
[14:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Okay, so the girls leave and if we're
[14:28] Speaker 2: repeating stuff, sorry, it's just so confusing. It's like everyone listening.
[14:31] Speaker 2: I feel like you'd just be like, huh?
[14:33] Speaker 3: So.
[14:34] Speaker 2: You now know the girls that are coming to your
[14:37] Speaker 2: house tonight for bid day. They don't know yet, but
[14:41] Speaker 2: you all get a list, and I'm sure this is
[14:43] Speaker 2: true of every house in your school. They know the
[14:45] Speaker 2: girls that are coming, probably so you can prepare, but
[14:49] Speaker 2: they don't find out till like five o'clock, right? So five, 5.30,
[14:52] Speaker 2: whatever it is. Do they open an envelope or how
[14:55] Speaker 2: do they find out? They open an actual physical old
[14:57] Speaker 2: school envelope.
[14:58] Speaker 3: Yes.
[14:58] Speaker 2: And then do they run right over?
[15:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, they, they run right on home. All the frats
[15:03] Speaker 1: will be holding up signs.
[15:04] Speaker 3: Really? Well, the top house is that.
[15:07] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[15:07] Speaker 3: So what happens?
[15:08] Speaker 2: The fraternity boys are out there like, yay, DG, yay.
[15:12] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
[15:12] Speaker 1: Whoever, whatever house you're tight with, they'll be holding out signs.
[15:17] Speaker 1: We do another thing too, where we have sports teams
[15:21] Speaker 1: come out and hold signs like in front of our house.
[15:23] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[15:23] Speaker 1: We'll have like baseball and water polo. They'll all be
[15:26] Speaker 1: holding our house signs.
[15:28] Speaker 2: Welcome to DJ. Welcome to Kappa. Welcome to Pi Phi. Oh, cute. Cute.
[15:33] Speaker 2: And then there's sort of a girls only party, right?
[15:35] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[15:35] Speaker 1: Then everyone disperses and then you all go into the house.
[15:38] Speaker 3: And do you have dinner? A day party. I don't remember.
[15:42] Speaker 3: I think so. We have like.
[15:44] Speaker 2: You figure if it's six o'clock.
[15:45] Speaker 3: Yeah. You have like, we have like catering things. Yeah. Yeah.
[15:48] Speaker 2: And then how late does it go tonight?
[15:51] Speaker 3: I think till like 10.
[15:52] Speaker 2: But you're still not allowed to go out. You're not
[15:54] Speaker 2: allowed to go to fraternities yet, or you are?
[15:56] Speaker 3: You're not allowed to go to fraternities yet.
[15:58] Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a senior, so we're going to go out,
[16:00] Speaker 1: but we're not going out to the frat parties. But
[16:02] Speaker 1: they're supposed to be dry until tomorrow at 8 a.m.
[16:06] Speaker 2: Okay, so today's Tuesday. So bid day's on Tuesday. So
[16:09] Speaker 2: starting tomorrow, Wednesday, you could go.
[16:12] Speaker 3: You can go on frat property.
[16:14] Speaker 2: You can go on some of this on a Saturday,
[16:16] Speaker 2: but it's too late. Okay, so then, and then this weekend,
[16:20] Speaker 2: there's parties.
[16:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, this weekend's game day. So there's a big weekend.
[16:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's a lot of schools. Okay,
[16:28] Speaker 2: so do you typically think that most of the girls
[16:34] Speaker 2: get their first choice? Is there a lot, like, how
[16:37] Speaker 2: often does a girl get her second choice? I.
[16:42] Speaker 1: I have to admit, I have one, my roommate, she,
[16:45] Speaker 1: I didn't know this about her, but she put down
[16:48] Speaker 1: 80 pie, which was a lower ranked house at my
[16:52] Speaker 1: school and put them first and actually put a fee
[16:57] Speaker 1: second and then ended up in it and ended up
[17:00] Speaker 1: in a fee.
[17:01] Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.
[17:02] Speaker 3: Okay.
[17:03] Speaker 2: Okay. Interesting.
[17:04] Speaker 3: So, I mean, It's really hard to determine. That is
[17:07] Speaker 3: a strange. It's so confusing with the algorithm and the
[17:11] Speaker 3: prep point.
[17:11] Speaker 2: That's very strange that that happened.
[17:14] Speaker 3: Yeah. And I were always like, when were you going
[17:17] Speaker 3: to be an 80 pie? Like that makes zero sense.
[17:19] Speaker 2: And then you wanted to get 80 pie.
[17:21] Speaker 3: Yeah. No, she didn't get it.
[17:23] Speaker 1: Cause I, and that just means that they didn't rank
[17:25] Speaker 1: her high. They didn't give her enough prep points to
[17:28] Speaker 1: be at a higher part of the list for the cutoff.
[17:31] Speaker 3: I mean, we cut off at 50 PNMs. Yeah.
[17:33] Speaker 2: Is that what your pledge class size is most likely 50,
[17:36] Speaker 2: 50 girls?
[17:37] Speaker 3: Pretty 50 cut off. Yeah.
[17:39] Speaker 1: Okay.
[17:39] Speaker 2: Interesting. And nobody moves right in. They all live in somewhere.
[17:42] Speaker 2: Nobody typically.
[17:43] Speaker 3: No, no, no. They, they live in the dorms until
[17:45] Speaker 3: sophomore year. So, okay.
[17:47] Speaker 2: So back on like prep, how far will you push it?
[17:53] Speaker 2: And also we'll talk about this situation. And again, if
[17:57] Speaker 2: we're repeating, I apologize. So I know some girls going
[18:01] Speaker 2: through Rush. They're friends' kids, right? Because obviously I'm old.
[18:04] Speaker 2: So my mom friends have daughters going through Rush at
[18:09] Speaker 2: your school. So what I was wondering is, obviously, we're
[18:14] Speaker 2: not going to pretend I don't know them. You're not
[18:16] Speaker 2: going to pretend I don't know them. Is it considered
[18:19] Speaker 2: dirty Rush that I've been asking you questions? I know
[18:24] Speaker 2: what they like. I might be telling you what they like.
[18:27] Speaker 2: You might be telling me, oh, they're still on the list.
[18:30] Speaker 2: We're careful about it, but I don't know where I
[18:34] Speaker 2: draw the line on, is that dirty rush? I mean, frankly,
[18:37] Speaker 2: I don't care.
[18:39] Speaker 3: I think dirty rush is really only applicable if it
[18:42] Speaker 3: actually is impacting the PNM and how far she moves
[18:48] Speaker 3: up within the house.
[18:49] Speaker 2: Dirty rush is also like, say Alpha Phi was like,
[18:53] Speaker 2: we're giving you a bid. You should put us first.
[18:55] Speaker 2: And if you're splitting with Kappa, they're not going to
[18:57] Speaker 2: put you first. So you won't get them. That seems
[18:59] Speaker 2: very dirty.
[18:59] Speaker 3: I think like with our situation, if it's a girl.
[19:04] Speaker 1: That I hadn't even met and I hadn't even talked
[19:06] Speaker 1: to her and my say literally means nothing. And I
[19:08] Speaker 1: literally can't even vote on her to be like ranked
[19:12] Speaker 1: up higher in the house.
[19:13] Speaker 3: Then it's not even applicable to being dirty. Right.
[19:15] Speaker 2: Like, could you have done a drop in with my girls.
[19:18] Speaker 3: That I only if she knew me?
[19:20] Speaker 2: You're not allowed to drop into a random. No. You
[19:23] Speaker 2: can only drop into like a hometown connection. Yes.
[19:27] Speaker 3: It needs to be someone that you know. And our
[19:30] Speaker 3: basement girls, the girls who.
[19:32] Speaker 2: Tell me about this basement. Everyone talks about these basement girls.
[19:35] Speaker 2: We didn't have this. What are they doing down there?
[19:37] Speaker 1: So the basement girls are the ones that are navigating
[19:39] Speaker 1: the entire algorithmic system.
[19:43] Speaker 3: And the vote, like the entire voting process.
[19:46] Speaker 2: Do you think there's ever a time... Okay, and try
[19:48] Speaker 2: to tell the truth.
[19:49] Speaker 3: No.
[19:51] Speaker 2: Somebody in that basement is shoving a girl higher than
[19:56] Speaker 2: the votes? Like, does hinky stuff ever go on in
[19:59] Speaker 2: that basement?
[20:01] Speaker 3: It's so locked down by Panhellenic.
[20:04] Speaker 2: But there's no Panhellenic rep in there. No, but it's
[20:07] Speaker 2: all on a system and a computer. So it's... Right,
[20:09] Speaker 2: but what would prevent... So say some girl, Jane Smith, is...
[20:14] Speaker 2: Say you know she wants your house and she's like
[20:17] Speaker 2: number 52 on the list. Can you ever like... Do
[20:20] Speaker 2: you think those basement girls go... Just slide her up there?
[20:24] Speaker 3: When I say it's so... And I like literally wish
[20:27] Speaker 3: that could like... You could get in there like that.
[20:30] Speaker 2: It doesn't work.
[20:31] Speaker 3: It's so mathematically calculated to where you can... How do
[20:36] Speaker 3: I explain this?
[20:36] Speaker 1: You can look and see that this girl talked to
[20:40] Speaker 1: two people. If she has three votes, you already know
[20:43] Speaker 1: you're busted for that.
[20:44] Speaker 3: And then boom, you can get fined. You can get
[20:47] Speaker 3: without it.
[20:48] Speaker 2: The girls can get in trouble. Right.
[20:49] Speaker 3: The girls can get in trouble for that.
[20:50] Speaker 1: And it's like their entire job is to calculate and
[20:54] Speaker 1: make sure that one PNM is talking to two girls.
[20:57] Speaker 1: And by the end of the entire party, they know
[20:59] Speaker 1: the number that they're going to hit on votes. And
[21:02] Speaker 1: if that number is out of whack, You can't, you
[21:05] Speaker 1: can't do it.
[21:05] Speaker 2: Here's what I'm going to say. And I'm going to
[21:06] Speaker 2: just say this. The part that I don't like about
[21:08] Speaker 2: the new system versus the old days is you in
[21:13] Speaker 2: the old days, if you knew the person from home,
[21:17] Speaker 2: you could vote on them. Even if you didn't talk
[21:19] Speaker 2: to them that day, even if you didn't see them,
[21:21] Speaker 2: you can vote on them because you know them and
[21:23] Speaker 2: you know, to give them, I think we were one, three, five.
[21:26] Speaker 2: One was like, five was thumbs up. Three was bring
[21:30] Speaker 2: her back again. I'm not sure.
[21:32] Speaker 3: Right.
[21:32] Speaker 2: This is what I remember. But say I knew someone
[21:35] Speaker 2: from high school, I could just give them a five.
[21:38] Speaker 2: So with us, it's like they only met two people.
[21:41] Speaker 2: You could get like a hundred votes if the whole
[21:43] Speaker 2: house wanted you.
[21:45] Speaker 3: For us, it's technically, it's supposed to be one through 10.
[21:49] Speaker 3: And every- You've had.
[21:50] Speaker 2: Two, three, four, five, or just one or 10?
[21:52] Speaker 1: So I've learned with other houses that they can do one, two, three, four, five,
[21:56] Speaker 1: whatever to 10. Our house, because we have such a
[21:59] Speaker 1: high retention rate and because- If you want to say
[22:02] Speaker 1: it's because we're a top house and every single girl
[22:05] Speaker 1: that we want normally is always coming back, we either
[22:07] Speaker 1: vote them a zero or a 10.
[22:09] Speaker 2: So for people listening, that means basically this house because
[22:12] Speaker 2: it's a top house. Say they invite back 100 girls. Typically,
[22:15] Speaker 2: all 100 will say yes to coming back to that house.
[22:18] Speaker 2: But there are other houses that invite 100 girls, but
[22:21] Speaker 2: only 30 come back. So that's why you guys can
[22:24] Speaker 2: be a little bit more.
[22:25] Speaker 3: We can be a little bit more selective. And it's
[22:29] Speaker 3: kind of for us.
[22:30] Speaker 1: Every single girl that gets our house back, they got
[22:33] Speaker 1: a 10 every single.
[22:34] Speaker 3: Day from every single girl.
[22:36] Speaker 2: That's why by prep night, you know that you'll take
[22:38] Speaker 2: any of them.
[22:39] Speaker 1: Right.
[22:41] Speaker 2: Interesting. It's so like, wow. All right. So before we go,
[22:47] Speaker 2: what else sort of happened this week? Like, are any
[22:50] Speaker 2: of the boys ever calling from the fraternities and saying like, hey,
[22:54] Speaker 2: this girl's great. Watch out for her. Or like, what
[22:57] Speaker 2: do you think impacts the most? other than just the
[23:00] Speaker 2: girl meeting the girl right is it a phone call
[23:02] Speaker 2: from the boy is it a phone call from your
[23:05] Speaker 2: friend from high school that knows like what would impact
[23:09] Speaker 2: you sort of pushing a girl up the list or
[23:12] Speaker 2: giving her a higher vote you.
[23:14] Speaker 1: Don't know if that's technically i can give a story
[23:17] Speaker 1: of when we're here for it yeah i i don't
[23:19] Speaker 1: know if that's necessarily applicable i mean it's so um
[23:24] Speaker 1: I just think nowadays recruitment has to be so on
[23:27] Speaker 1: lockdown just because everything nowadays is considered bit promising. I mean,
[23:31] Speaker 1: if I point on a girl, if I wink at
[23:34] Speaker 1: a girl, Oh my gosh.
[23:37] Speaker 3: Everything. Yeah. Don't, don't let them walk away with a cup.
[23:40] Speaker 3: If they, it's, It's a nightmare.
[23:42] Speaker 2: Crazy.
[23:43] Speaker 1: But I can share that I remember from when I
[23:47] Speaker 1: did recruitment and.
[23:49] Speaker 2: So you were the rushie.
[23:50] Speaker 1: I was the rushie and I did recruitment later. I
[23:52] Speaker 1: did recruitment as a sophomore. So I was walking into
[23:54] Speaker 1: these houses and knowing a lot of the girls already.
[23:57] Speaker 1: And that was definitely.
[23:59] Speaker 3: a very different perspective because you kind of are already
[24:01] Speaker 3: walking in and you know what the top houses are.
[24:04] Speaker 1: You know what they're known for. Like, Pi Phi is
[24:07] Speaker 1: known for being the very nice and sweet girls. Kappa
[24:09] Speaker 1: is known for being very classy. AP is known for being, like,
[24:13] Speaker 1: more the loud party people. It really depends on your house.
[24:17] Speaker 1: So I remember coming in and I kind of knew
[24:19] Speaker 1: what I wanted, basically. And I was going through it
[24:23] Speaker 1: and everything was going well and I was getting all
[24:26] Speaker 1: the houses that I wanted back and I was really
[24:27] Speaker 1: happy about it. And there was a house that I
[24:33] Speaker 1: had a really close hometown friend in and she would
[24:36] Speaker 1: text me throughout the week.
[24:38] Speaker 3: I hope you're doing really well. How is it going?
[24:41] Speaker 1: And it kind of was, it was like, these are
[24:44] Speaker 1: the houses that I'm getting back. And she would see
[24:46] Speaker 1: me come back the next day and she would know.
[24:48] Speaker 1: And like, I would get my list back and I
[24:50] Speaker 1: would text her of like, are.
[24:51] Speaker 2: You supposed to be texting her?
[24:52] Speaker 3: No, no. But I, but it's because it's like, let's
[24:56] Speaker 3: I get it yeah the rules get so stupid that
[24:58] Speaker 3: you're like let me just text him I would text
[25:00] Speaker 3: him like I'm about to come to this house okay
[25:02] Speaker 3: great I make it through philo and I'm about to
[25:06] Speaker 3: go vote on the houses that I'm gonna put as
[25:08] Speaker 3: my two because you go from six houses to two
[25:10] Speaker 3: houses yeah that's a gnarly drop you have to.
[25:11] Speaker 2: Cut a lot of people off yeah and for the
[25:15] Speaker 2: rushes right because a lot you're going from six to
[25:18] Speaker 2: two that that's the worst.
[25:20] Speaker 1: Drop that's the worst drop and yeah it It's definitely daunting,
[25:24] Speaker 1: especially when you have- You.
[25:25] Speaker 2: Can go from having a great experience to like, oh no.
[25:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember for me, I had two top houses.
[25:32] Speaker 1: I had two mid houses. And then I had two
[25:34] Speaker 1: like very, very bottom houses. And that's just simply because
[25:38] Speaker 1: you're being really nice. And like you have to be
[25:41] Speaker 1: nice to everyone or else it's considered dead fishing.
[25:44] Speaker 2: Oh, I've heard about this dead fishing. We've talked about
[25:46] Speaker 2: that before. I find that to be the dumbest thing
[25:48] Speaker 2: I've ever heard in my life. That did not exist
[25:50] Speaker 2: in my day. It should go away. It's so stupid.
[25:53] Speaker 2: We'll do that. We'll talk about dead fishing again another day.
[25:56] Speaker 2: I'm like horrified by that.
[25:57] Speaker 3: But yeah, it's really horrible.
[26:00] Speaker 2: When I learned about that, I said that can't be true.
[26:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awful. And just with my school- It's also
[26:07] Speaker 3: just disgusting.
[26:09] Speaker 1: There was a house that would have 30 girls missing
[26:11] Speaker 1: from a party because.
[26:12] Speaker 3: They would choose to not show up.
[26:13] Speaker 2: But then don't you get kicked out of Rush?
[26:15] Speaker 3: Yes.
[26:16] Speaker 1: So that's what we were nervous about as our house is,
[26:19] Speaker 1: If you guys are doing that, that's horrible.
[26:21] Speaker 3: But guess what? That means you're not even going to
[26:22] Speaker 3: get a house. You're not even going to get us back.
[26:24] Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, who thinks that that's... I'm sorry.
[26:28] Speaker 2: That is so Gen Z. It's just so Gen Z.
[26:32] Speaker 3: Y'all need to get.
[26:34] Speaker 2: Back to manners school, but whatever.
[26:36] Speaker 1: I remember from my field day, I had like a
[26:38] Speaker 1: range of houses from wherever you want to rank them.
[26:41] Speaker 1: And so I remember kind of going into prep and
[26:43] Speaker 1: I was like, oh gosh, like I really hope that
[26:44] Speaker 1: I just get the top two houses that I wanted.
[26:46] Speaker 1: But another impact that I had was I got a
[26:49] Speaker 1: phone call from my roommate, a friend, who was also
[26:54] Speaker 1: doing recruitment.
[26:54] Speaker 3: We were both doing recruitment as sophomores.
[26:56] Speaker 2: Okay.
[26:56] Speaker 1: And she got a call from the same friend of
[27:00] Speaker 1: hers in the house, in this house.
[27:02] Speaker 2: That was your friend?
[27:03] Speaker 3: I also had a friend in.
[27:05] Speaker 2: It wasn't the same person, same house?
[27:07] Speaker 3: No, same house, different person. Let's just use names. Yeah.
[27:10] Speaker 3: So my friend Ashley was in this house.
[27:13] Speaker 2: D.G.
[27:14] Speaker 3: Pi-Fi. Pi-Fi.
[27:15] Speaker 2: Okay, fine.
[27:16] Speaker 1: My friend Ashley was in this house, Pi-Fi. And then
[27:19] Speaker 1: my other friend was doing recruitment as well with me.
[27:23] Speaker 2: Okay.
[27:24] Speaker 3: And she got.
[27:25] Speaker 2: She also got a call from Pi-Fi.
[27:26] Speaker 3: She also got a call from a girl, Lauren, in Pi-Fi.
[27:29] Speaker 2: This is dirty rushing.
[27:31] Speaker 3: This was like whole next level.
[27:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[27:34] Speaker 3: Horrible.
[27:36] Speaker 1: And so Mary gets a call from Lauren. And Lauren says... Hey,
[27:41] Speaker 1: I know that you didn't get Pi-Fi back. And as
[27:43] Speaker 1: your friend, I would feel so guilty not telling you
[27:46] Speaker 1: about this, but I think that you should know this.
[27:49] Speaker 1: Already horrible thing to do. And my friend Mary is like,
[27:53] Speaker 1: And you.
[27:53] Speaker 2: Don't even have your houses back yet?
[27:54] Speaker 3: No, we don't even have our house. I hadn't even
[27:56] Speaker 3: voted yet.
[27:56] Speaker 2: So you called in advance to say you're not getting Pi-Fi.
[28:00] Speaker 3: So yeah.
[28:00] Speaker 1: So this Mary though, she already got dropped from Pi-Fi
[28:04] Speaker 1: on Filo Day. So Lauren was just feeling guilty and
[28:07] Speaker 1: felt the need to tell this to Mary. And she said,
[28:10] Speaker 1: the reason that you got dropped was because our house
[28:13] Speaker 1: does a voting system where after every single day, after
[28:18] Speaker 1: every single party, we all gather into the chapter room
[28:21] Speaker 1: together and we put on a slideshow of every single
[28:24] Speaker 1: girl that came into the house today. And we do
[28:27] Speaker 1: red light and green light. When green light comes on,
[28:30] Speaker 1: you give them three positive adjectives. And then when red
[28:33] Speaker 1: light comes on, you give them three negative adjectives.
[28:35] Speaker 2: Okay, this is not how we did it, but it's
[28:38] Speaker 2: closer to how we did it. We didn't do this
[28:40] Speaker 2: red light, green light nonsense.
[28:42] Speaker 1: Which to coming from other houses that are higher ranked
[28:46] Speaker 1: than Pi Phi who don't do all this rigamarole and
[28:50] Speaker 1: back and forth and slideshow nonsense, we simply just vote
[28:54] Speaker 1: on the girls who we talk to. And this house
[28:57] Speaker 1: was also known for being, you know, the nice girls
[28:59] Speaker 1: and the angels.
[29:00] Speaker 3: And the, we're like, like, really? Like, not from this.
[29:03] Speaker 2: I can go both ways on it, right? Because there
[29:05] Speaker 2: is a theory that in the meeting, right? So say
[29:07] Speaker 2: a girl was having a bad day and she didn't,
[29:10] Speaker 2: have a great conversation that day, the rest of the
[29:13] Speaker 2: girls in the house that know her can save her, right?
[29:16] Speaker 2: They can be like, I know Katie. Do not vote
[29:20] Speaker 2: her out. Bring her back. She is awesome.
[29:24] Speaker 3: You know, whatever.
[29:25] Speaker 2: So it can go both ways. I think it's tough
[29:27] Speaker 2: to not be able to have that conversation and just
[29:30] Speaker 2: go strictly with this voting. But at the same time,
[29:33] Speaker 2: it also could bop a girl out because, I don't know,
[29:37] Speaker 2: maybe she kissed someone's boyfriend.
[29:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. It gets like... catty, things like that.
[29:41] Speaker 1: So she tells Mary, she goes, well, so when your
[29:45] Speaker 1: red light came on.
[29:46] Speaker 3: No.
[29:47] Speaker 1: You were called bratty and spoiled and selfish by some
[29:52] Speaker 1: girl that she went to high school with who Mary
[29:54] Speaker 1: really wasn't even friends with and wasn't even the same
[29:56] Speaker 1: friend group with and they were in completely separate grades.
[29:59] Speaker 1: And she was like, that's ridiculous, but whatever. I mean,
[30:01] Speaker 1: I already got dropped from 5'5, so it doesn't even matter.
[30:04] Speaker 1: And she goes, but, and then Lauren then decides to
[30:09] Speaker 1: scoop around and try to get the dirt on things.
[30:11] Speaker 2: I've lost all the names here, but okay.
[30:13] Speaker 1: Lauren, who's in the house, who's calling my friend, she says,
[30:17] Speaker 1: I have to ask what happened between me, person, me
[30:24] Speaker 1: and Ashley.
[30:24] Speaker 3: What happened between the two of them?
[30:26] Speaker 1: And my friend was like, what are you talking about?
[30:28] Speaker 1: They're totally fine. They've been best friends for years. They're
[30:31] Speaker 1: hometown friends. They're very close. Like, what could you be
[30:33] Speaker 1: talking about? And she goes, well, when apparently when I
[30:36] Speaker 1: got on the screen for them to vote for me
[30:38] Speaker 1: after Filo.
[30:39] Speaker 2: Your friend red lighted you?
[30:41] Speaker 1: My, so my friend stood up sobbing, crying during my
[30:46] Speaker 1: red light. And she was sobbing, crying so hard that
[30:50] Speaker 1: she couldn't even get the words out.
[30:52] Speaker 3: And everyone was crying. very about off.
[30:55] Speaker 2: But saying oh that she was so emotional.
[30:58] Speaker 3: So everyone was kind it gave the impression that i
[31:02] Speaker 3: did something so horrible to her that when she stood
[31:05] Speaker 3: up she was sobbing crying so hard that she couldn't
[31:07] Speaker 3: even get the words out to say the three negative
[31:09] Speaker 3: things about me so and then but the girl who's
[31:12] Speaker 3: calling my friend about this to talk about me is
[31:16] Speaker 3: Was like, don't say anything, though, because this is our
[31:18] Speaker 3: voting and we can't have this out there. And if
[31:21] Speaker 3: this comes out, I'm risked at being dropped.
[31:23] Speaker 2: Did you talk to the friend again?
[31:24] Speaker 3: Oh, I texted this because this is such a close
[31:27] Speaker 3: friend of mine.
[31:28] Speaker 2: I was crying because I didn't want to say anything
[31:30] Speaker 2: bad about you.
[31:31] Speaker 3: She. Yeah, she.
[31:32] Speaker 1: I texted her immediately and I was said, I know
[31:37] Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to talk about this, but I would
[31:39] Speaker 1: be lying to you if I told you I didn't
[31:40] Speaker 1: know that you guys do this.
[31:42] Speaker 3: And.
[31:43] Speaker 1: Again, crazy coming from someone who's a PNM during all
[31:46] Speaker 1: of this. And I'm literally about to go into prep
[31:48] Speaker 1: the next day. And I said, I know about this.
[31:51] Speaker 1: I know that you apparently stood up sobbing, crying, and
[31:54] Speaker 1: you couldn't even, I guess it was said that you
[31:56] Speaker 1: couldn't even get the words out about me.
[31:58] Speaker 3: What is this about?
[31:59] Speaker 2: And what did she say?
[32:00] Speaker 1: She basically gave me the rundown on how horrible that
[32:06] Speaker 1: the process of what they do is and how toxic
[32:08] Speaker 1: it is.
[32:09] Speaker 3: And at first I was kind of like, I don't
[32:10] Speaker 3: really know what to believe.
[32:12] Speaker 1: And then she ended up dropping the house actually and
[32:14] Speaker 1: moving out because she said that it was just so
[32:16] Speaker 1: horrible and toxic. But she said, you know, like as
[32:18] Speaker 1: someone who like I know and like such a close
[32:20] Speaker 1: friend from like for many years and like when you
[32:22] Speaker 1: came up and like just seeing your photo like on
[32:24] Speaker 1: the slideshow and just like seeing if people were just
[32:26] Speaker 1: going to be, like, ammoed up just to say three
[32:29] Speaker 1: negative words about you who also are girls that really
[32:32] Speaker 1: don't know you.
[32:32] Speaker 3: Because mind you, like, these are girls who, like, what?
[32:34] Speaker 2: Met you for seven minutes.
[32:35] Speaker 1: Seven-minute conversations with, like, you don't know, actually, like, know them.
[32:40] Speaker 1: And she then, my friend, went to standards and said,
[32:44] Speaker 1: she is not going to put us back for pref
[32:47] Speaker 1: and is going to vote us out because she knows
[32:49] Speaker 1: how we were voting. So you guys might want to
[32:52] Speaker 1: figure out who's going around spreading our... voting details and
[32:56] Speaker 1: our voting secrets with PNMs, which is a huge problem.
[33:01] Speaker 1: And when I look back at the situation now as
[33:04] Speaker 1: someone in a house, you're not meant to share those
[33:10] Speaker 1: voting things with someone who got dropped from the house
[33:12] Speaker 1: just because what is that doing for them? It's kind
[33:15] Speaker 1: of like my friend who she first shared with where
[33:17] Speaker 1: she's like, well, I already got dropped, so it doesn't
[33:18] Speaker 1: really matter.
[33:34] Speaker 2: Look, for people listening, this is the reason we do
[33:37] Speaker 2: this podcast because it is so crazy. There's a lot
[33:39] Speaker 2: of things about Rush that you're like, what happens? And
[33:43] Speaker 2: I have conversations with moms all the time where their
[33:46] Speaker 2: daughter's going through Rush, but they didn't. So they are
[33:49] Speaker 2: just like, wait, what? What is happening? It does sound crazy.
[33:56] Speaker 2: And then when you're in it, you're like, it's actually
[33:58] Speaker 2: not that crazy. So like, I get it. I mean,
[34:01] Speaker 2: all that sounds crazy. I get what you're saying, right?
[34:03] Speaker 2: Because I understand what's happening. But I think someone listening
[34:05] Speaker 2: is like, huh?
[34:07] Speaker 3: Huh?
[34:08] Speaker 2: What?
[34:08] Speaker 3: Red light?
[34:09] Speaker 2: Green light?
[34:09] Speaker 3: Voting?
[34:10] Speaker 2: One? Ten?
[34:11] Speaker 3: What?
[34:11] Speaker 2: So, all right. There's always so much more to talk about.
[34:14] Speaker 2: That's why this podcast will go on and on and on.
[34:16] Speaker 2: So to sum it up, this mystery girl here is
[34:21] Speaker 2: in the middle of rush. It's very juicy. And do
[34:24] Speaker 2: you feel like you guys got all the girls you wanted?
[34:28] Speaker 3: I do.
[34:28] Speaker 2: I mean, as a senior.
[34:32] Speaker 1: I didn't talk to all of them, but from what
[34:34] Speaker 1: I can remember and seeing the list and then going
[34:36] Speaker 1: up to look up the girls' Instagrams so that I
[34:39] Speaker 1: could connect the name to the face, I was kind
[34:42] Speaker 1: of like, wait.
[34:42] Speaker 3: I think we slept a bit. Yeah, I think we
[34:45] Speaker 3: did it.
[34:46] Speaker 2: And as a senior, how much interaction will you have
[34:48] Speaker 2: with these pledges?
[34:52] Speaker 3: I mean, it really just depends. I don't think on
[34:55] Speaker 3: day-to-day things. No, I mean.
[34:58] Speaker 1: that's their job to connect with the sophomores and who
[35:00] Speaker 1: they're going to be living with.
[35:02] Speaker 2: It's so interesting because one of my best friends truly
[35:05] Speaker 2: closest friends was a senior when I was a freshman
[35:08] Speaker 2: so I do think those friendships happen we were definitely
[35:11] Speaker 2: good friends when we were in the sorority together and
[35:14] Speaker 2: then 30 years later we're even closer now but I
[35:18] Speaker 2: do think there are times when a a freshman and
[35:21] Speaker 2: a senior become super tight.
[35:22] Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I would say like this was by
[35:24] Speaker 1: far the most senior participation that we've had, which is.
[35:27] Speaker 3: Really positive and really great. And like even to have
[35:30] Speaker 3: seniors prepping freshmen is always good.
[35:32] Speaker 2: The seniors were totally involved. And like, interestingly, even I
[35:35] Speaker 2: have a friend from the sorority who's like eight years
[35:37] Speaker 2: older than me, seven, let's see, no, six years older
[35:41] Speaker 2: than me. And she's a great friend. Wasn't even in
[35:43] Speaker 2: the house when I was there, she'd already graduated, but
[35:45] Speaker 2: I think there's still that bond there. especially when you're
[35:48] Speaker 2: in the same sorority at the same school. It's like,
[35:51] Speaker 2: even if you're years apart, you kind of are instantly
[35:54] Speaker 2: bonded by that. So anyway, I mean, look, we'll keep
[35:57] Speaker 2: talking about it all. It's just never ending. There's so
[36:01] Speaker 2: much juice to talk about.
[36:02] Speaker 3: It's crazy.
[36:03] Speaker 1: You got to just go through recruitment and go through
[36:06] Speaker 1: the chaos. And then you finally get the house that
[36:10] Speaker 1: you wanted and things go back to normalcy.
[36:12] Speaker 2: And look, I think it's interesting. I know, like I said,
[36:14] Speaker 2: the girl that's going through rush at your school, I
[36:17] Speaker 2: know what house she got. She won't find out till 530.
[36:19] Speaker 2: I know she's going to be thrilled because I know
[36:22] Speaker 2: what she put first. So there are those things where like,
[36:26] Speaker 2: it's impossible to avoid. People are going to sort of
[36:28] Speaker 2: know things. It's kind of amazing that it's kept as
[36:31] Speaker 2: secretive as it is with how the world is right
[36:34] Speaker 2: these days and social media and people with loose lips,
[36:38] Speaker 2: that it even does become as much of a surprise
[36:41] Speaker 2: as it is. And it is fun to like open
[36:43] Speaker 2: that envelope and see the house and run over there. So,
[36:46] Speaker 2: you know, yay to everybody going through Rush at your school.
[36:49] Speaker 2: All best wishes to everyone going through Rush because it
[36:52] Speaker 2: is gnarly. I mean, the parents, we need to do
[36:54] Speaker 2: another episode where these parents, because they just go through hell.
[36:57] Speaker 3: Yeah. That's the only person I talked to.
[36:59] Speaker 2: I knew a dad. Last night was texting a mom.
[37:02] Speaker 2: I mean, a dad texting a mom. I know how
[37:05] Speaker 2: stressful this is.
[37:07] Speaker 3: Blah, blah, blah. Like a dad. That's the only person
[37:11] Speaker 3: a PNM can actually talk to.
[37:12] Speaker 1: You can't talk to your friends about what you're getting
[37:15] Speaker 1: back or what houses you liked.
[37:16] Speaker 2: They really call the parents.
[37:18] Speaker 1: You just, I talked to my mom after every single
[37:20] Speaker 1: party so much so that my mom's best friend also
[37:23] Speaker 1: had a daughter that was doing recruitment at the same
[37:25] Speaker 1: time as me at the same school and And they
[37:27] Speaker 1: were literally at dinner together one night and they were
[37:29] Speaker 1: both just getting calls from us.
[37:31] Speaker 2: I'll definitely go out with the two girls I know
[37:34] Speaker 2: because they don't have anyone else to talk to and
[37:35] Speaker 2: their mom didn't go through rush. So like they need
[37:39] Speaker 2: to have like a aunt figure or a, you know,
[37:42] Speaker 2: figure that knows what they're going through. So anyway, we'll
[37:46] Speaker 2: keep getting dirty. Talk to you guys soon.

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