# The Twot Seat: KENNY MARTIN (In The City)

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 5 Jun 2026, 31 min.

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Kenny tells Tamra if he regrets going on reality TV, considering fan opinions and rumors being spread about his relationship… What did he ACTUALLY say about Whitney?! Does Kenny stand behind his comment that Kyle is a “lush”? What’s his opinion on Amanda and Kyle’s relationship?! Plus, Kenny and Lindsay continue to butt heads… Is he just the male version of her? Does he stand behind the minion comments? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: To teas in a pod.
[0:04] Speaker 2: It's Teddy, Mellencap and Camrad Judge. Hi, guys, welcome to
[0:10] Speaker 2: another episode of The twat Seat. Today we have Kenny Martin. Now,
[0:14] Speaker 2: Kenny Martin is a new cast member on the show
[0:16] Speaker 2: in the city. He's a self made real estate investor,
[0:20] Speaker 2: a venture capitalist. He's got a girlfriend, Whitney, a former model,
[0:23] Speaker 2: and all the things. Guys, let's just bring them in
[0:27] Speaker 2: and we'll talk about it, because, you know what, the
[0:30] Speaker 2: waters are a little murky with Kenny boy, and we
[0:33] Speaker 2: need answers. Hi, Kenny, how are you? I'm good now.
[0:38] Speaker 2: Normally I do my podcast really early in the morning.
[0:41] Speaker 2: Uh huh, So today I'm calling this like happy hour.
[0:45] Speaker 1: Ooh, I love that.
[0:47] Speaker 2: First of all, Kenny, thank you so much for joining
[0:50] Speaker 2: me today. I really appreciate it. I know you're working.
[0:54] Speaker 2: It's later in the day. Probably the last thing you
[0:56] Speaker 2: want to fucking do is sit here and talk to me.
[0:58] Speaker 2: And I'm just kidding.
[1:00] Speaker 1: I would not rather be anywhere else but here.
[1:03] Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you. Well, Kenny, things are a bit murky,
[1:09] Speaker 2: so let's clear some shut up. Okay, before we get
[1:12] Speaker 2: into it more. I want to know when you were
[1:15] Speaker 2: first approached to be on the show. Was there any hesitation.
[1:20] Speaker 1: One thousand percent? Yeah, you know, like you just never know.
[1:25] Speaker 1: You hear things about reality where it's like, you know,
[1:28] Speaker 1: it's it could go one a number of different ways.
[1:34] Speaker 1: So for us, we're like, does this make sense? Do
[1:36] Speaker 1: we need to do this? Like we really sat down
[1:39] Speaker 1: and we're like, what are the kind of pros and
[1:42] Speaker 1: cons of doing a show like this? And at the
[1:45] Speaker 1: end of the day, it was like, it's an opportunity
[1:48] Speaker 1: to do something different that will be really fun, to
[1:51] Speaker 1: do it together and have this experience, do it with
[1:54] Speaker 1: friends Kyle and Gavin, and really like an opportunity to
[1:59] Speaker 1: like build this new community, which I feel like everyone's
[2:02] Speaker 1: looking for in some degrees, like new community and feeling
[2:06] Speaker 1: like you're part of something bigger.
[2:08] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I would have to say that you kind
[2:11] Speaker 2: of well, you're kind of made for reality TV.
[2:16] Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a good thing.
[2:18] Speaker 2: It's well, it's probably not kidding. I'm joking. No, I
[2:22] Speaker 2: mean you're you're you got people talking, Yeah, that's for sure.
[2:26] Speaker 2: So now that it's airing, are you happy you did it?
[2:29] Speaker 2: Or you're like what was I thinking?
[2:32] Speaker 1: I think I'm still in kind of like what was
[2:35] Speaker 1: I thinking? Mode? But I think that'll I'm I'm confident
[2:41] Speaker 1: that as people will actually get to know who I
[2:44] Speaker 1: actually am and the real me and the real Whitney
[2:47] Speaker 1: and our real relationship, that that'll change from kind of
[2:51] Speaker 1: like what was I thinking to we're glad we did this.
[2:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about Whitney a little bit. The
[2:57] Speaker 2: episode that aired just recently, there was a little bit
[3:00] Speaker 2: of a game, I would say, of telephone uh huh, right,
[3:03] Speaker 2: going on about Lexi telling Whitney that there was no spark,
[3:07] Speaker 2: and I literally because they did a little flashback, I
[3:10] Speaker 2: replayed it a couple of times and I'm like, is
[3:14] Speaker 2: that did he actually say that? Or because it was
[3:18] Speaker 2: very confusing, what did you actually say to Kyle? Do
[3:24] Speaker 2: you remember?
[3:24] Speaker 1: Because I remember I said a lot of things to Kyle.
[3:28] Speaker 2: About the spark. I'm talking about the.
[3:30] Speaker 1: Spark, specifically about the spark and I and I feel
[3:33] Speaker 1: like next week we're gonna we're gonna explore more of this,
[3:40] Speaker 1: so I don't want to get like too deep into it. Yeah,
[3:43] Speaker 1: what I'll say is that there is a why I
[3:47] Speaker 1: did say that. You know, I'm not sure if in
[3:54] Speaker 1: this moment like I feel this this spark and this
[3:58] Speaker 1: fire or maybe there's some other things at play, and
[4:03] Speaker 1: I think hopefully we'll get into that more and no,
[4:07] Speaker 1: hopefully there'll be some clarity around that. But I will
[4:11] Speaker 1: say when you have a you know, five person game
[4:14] Speaker 1: of telephone or whatever it was, it almost never results
[4:18] Speaker 1: in the original message.
[4:20] Speaker 2: So right, So you originally said sometimes you go in
[4:23] Speaker 2: a relationship, you feel the spark and it's hard to
[4:25] Speaker 2: know if it's the like the person, and I take
[4:27] Speaker 2: it as the person you're going to marry, right, That's
[4:32] Speaker 2: how I That's how I took it. I didn't think
[4:36] Speaker 2: that you said there was no spark between you guys.
[4:39] Speaker 1: I did not say there was zero spark. It was
[4:42] Speaker 1: it was a conversation around do I know right now
[4:46] Speaker 1: that this is my person and that this is going
[4:48] Speaker 1: to last forever? Right? And we had just you know,
[4:52] Speaker 1: we're just moving across the country. We were at that
[4:57] Speaker 1: time very happy where we were and the the decisions
[5:00] Speaker 1: and the steps that we were making. It wasn't about like,
[5:03] Speaker 1: you know, do I love this girl? Are we ecstatic?
[5:07] Speaker 1: Are we happy? It's like it's still tbd on if
[5:11] Speaker 1: this is gonna be a forever thing. And again, I
[5:14] Speaker 1: think there'll be some more context around that as the
[5:19] Speaker 1: season goes on, hopefully.
[5:20] Speaker 2: Well that's not how the game of telephone is being played.
[5:23] Speaker 2: And it went all the way down to Whitney, who
[5:26] Speaker 2: I felt like took it kind of well but then
[5:28] Speaker 2: was like, wow, like this is really what's being said.
[5:33] Speaker 2: I can't even imagine it ends with you guys talking
[5:35] Speaker 2: about it and we don't get to see like the
[5:37] Speaker 2: final conversation and what comes out of it. So I'm
[5:40] Speaker 2: so excited for next week. Obviously, you know there is
[5:44] Speaker 2: a spark. You move Whitney from she was in La
[5:47] Speaker 2: right to New York and you guys are now living together.
[5:52] Speaker 2: Does she have closet space now?
[5:57] Speaker 1: She has cause of space. She definitely has causes space,
[6:00] Speaker 1: and I think in the first episode I was basically like,
[6:03] Speaker 1: I'll let you do your thing with the with the
[6:06] Speaker 1: spare bedroom, so she ended up doing her thing. I'm
[6:11] Speaker 1: not sure. Again, I think there's we explore that a
[6:13] Speaker 1: little bit more on the show, but it was never
[6:17] Speaker 1: a hey, you can't have closet space. It was you
[6:20] Speaker 1: know you saw on this episode, and I don't think
[6:23] Speaker 1: they included it, but I showed up and the first
[6:27] Speaker 1: quote that the lady gave when she was here was like,
[6:30] Speaker 1: twenty five thousand dollars.
[6:32] Speaker 2: To wait, wait, wait to convert a room into a closet.
[6:37] Speaker 1: To redo this whole room. Her and Lexi were cooking
[6:40] Speaker 1: something up in there that.
[6:41] Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, have Whitney called me? Because I
[6:44] Speaker 2: just turned my spare bedroom into a full closet and
[6:48] Speaker 2: I bought everything on Amazon.
[6:50] Speaker 1: Well, I should amazing.
[6:53] Speaker 2: Just walk in. Everything's hanging on the It's amazing. Okay, Okay,
[6:58] Speaker 2: so the spark's still there. Then you guys are still together.
[7:01] Speaker 2: Things are moving along.
[7:03] Speaker 1: We are we are together and as good as we've
[7:06] Speaker 1: we've ever been.
[7:07] Speaker 2: That's so good. Congratulations. I love that for you guys.
[7:17] Speaker 2: Let's talk about Kyle and lover Boy. Now you're an
[7:22] Speaker 2: investor in this business, uh huh?
[7:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, I so. I invested in lover Boy on the
[7:30] Speaker 1: very first raise. It must have been like eight years
[7:32] Speaker 1: ago or something. It was. It was a while ago.
[7:34] Speaker 2: Was there a lot of money?
[7:36] Speaker 1: It was enough? It was enough to matter.
[7:41] Speaker 2: Were you kind of pissed off that he facilitated this conversation?
[7:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, Listen, I feel more for Kyle than I do
[7:48] Speaker 1: for for my my pockets, to be honest, because that
[7:52] Speaker 1: guy has his whole life wrapped up in Lover Boy,
[7:54] Speaker 1: and at one point it was, you know, on paper
[7:57] Speaker 1: and wildly successful business. So to do that round trip
[8:01] Speaker 1: and I'm and to be fighting, you know, to keep
[8:04] Speaker 1: it alive now is a really really tough place to
[8:07] Speaker 1: be well financially and kind of you know, emotionally.
[8:11] Speaker 2: Do you feel like the business is doing better now
[8:13] Speaker 2: that it's been put out there and the fans are
[8:15] Speaker 2: supporting it.
[8:16] Speaker 1: I do think that the fans are supporting it, and
[8:18] Speaker 1: I love that it's definitely seen.
[8:20] Speaker 2: A pop for sure, good good.
[8:22] Speaker 1: Hopefully it's it's enough to kind of get it over
[8:24] Speaker 1: the hump and get it back to where it needs
[8:25] Speaker 1: to be.
[8:26] Speaker 2: So in your meeting with Kyle Well, I would say
[8:30] Speaker 2: in your confessional, you called Kyle a bit of a lush.
[8:36] Speaker 2: Do you take that back now or you stand by
[8:37] Speaker 2: what you say because we've been watching him on Summer
[8:40] Speaker 2: House and you know, a lot has gone down and
[8:43] Speaker 2: we see him slewing his words.
[8:44] Speaker 1: And listen, I think Kyle has a ton of amazing qualities.
[8:51] Speaker 1: I really do. I think he's genuinely a really, really
[8:54] Speaker 1: good person with a big heart, and he's just like
[8:57] Speaker 1: someone that you want to talk to about things because
[8:59] Speaker 1: he's just an oak and book. But at times he
[9:03] Speaker 1: might be, you know, be a little overserved, and I
[9:05] Speaker 1: think he's I think that's something that he is hopefully
[9:10] Speaker 1: working on and we actually talked about in the season.
[9:12] Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll end up kind of making
[9:14] Speaker 1: it into the show, but something we talked about that
[9:19] Speaker 1: I think would be would be good for him to
[9:21] Speaker 1: work on, especially if he's kind of rebranding posts this relationship.
[9:26] Speaker 1: He's you know, you gotta kind of clean some things
[9:29] Speaker 1: up here and there.
[9:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I don't know if you've heard this,
[9:32] Speaker 2: but he just came out that Lala Kent. I don't
[9:34] Speaker 2: know if you know who that is. Where Yeah, Okay,
[9:37] Speaker 2: she said that Kyle is a killer in bed Killer.
[9:42] Speaker 2: So she says she doesn't know from her own experience,
[9:45] Speaker 2: but she knows from one of her friends. So we
[9:46] Speaker 2: don't have to worry about Kyle moving on.
[9:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I think that's a great, a great endorsement
[9:52] Speaker 1: for Kyle.
[9:52] Speaker 2: So exactly, and you know.
[9:55] Speaker 1: Hope that helps them helps some kind of you know,
[9:58] Speaker 1: move on and start dating and stuff a little bit.
[10:00] Speaker 2: Well, you've known Kyle as a married guy and you
[10:03] Speaker 2: know Amanda as well. Were you shocked by all this?
[10:07] Speaker 1: I was not shocked by the relationship not working out,
[10:11] Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't think that Kyle and Amanda,
[10:16] Speaker 1: at least for the last you know, a few years,
[10:18] Speaker 1: have really been on the same page. And that part
[10:22] Speaker 1: of that's Kyle, but I think that it was also
[10:25] Speaker 1: some of that was Amanda and kind of meeting each
[10:27] Speaker 1: other energetically and on a number of different levels.
[10:31] Speaker 2: We'll get into that, but before that, we've seen you
[10:34] Speaker 2: go head to head with Lindsay twice. Now you pointed
[10:39] Speaker 2: out her being a hypocrite about her relationship going after
[10:42] Speaker 2: your relationship. What bugs you about Lindsay? Because she she's
[10:48] Speaker 2: first of all, she's that's mother Hubbard Man. You don't
[10:51] Speaker 2: want to go up against her. She's quick, she's good,
[10:54] Speaker 2: she's reality gold. What about her made you like? Does
[10:59] Speaker 2: she bug you? Is there something there we don't know?
[11:03] Speaker 1: I think Listen, first of all, I don't think there
[11:06] Speaker 1: would be a show without Lindsay Hubbard. I think she's
[11:11] Speaker 1: an og like she is even like when you're around her,
[11:15] Speaker 1: there's a there's an aura like she does her thing.
[11:18] Speaker 1: So I I respect Lindsay tremendously, but on that same
[11:23] Speaker 1: token from day one of cameras up, it was like
[11:27] Speaker 1: she was in our relationship and I know, you know,
[11:30] Speaker 1: they can only put so much into one episode. And
[11:34] Speaker 1: if you know Lindsay Hubbard, that wasn't everything that was.
[11:37] Speaker 1: You know that that went down. So by time we
[11:41] Speaker 1: got to Whitney's Welcome to New York party, you know,
[11:45] Speaker 1: Lindsay had interrogated me thoroughly on my relationship. She had,
[11:49] Speaker 1: you know, tried to hear and some of the girls
[11:52] Speaker 1: tried to interject like some overlap potential between my ex
[11:58] Speaker 1: and Whitney, which married. So it was like completely off
[12:03] Speaker 1: the reservation. They didn't even put it in the show
[12:05] Speaker 1: because it was like just didn't make sense. But it
[12:07] Speaker 1: was like there were these things, and there was like
[12:09] Speaker 1: some drama with Gavin and his exit he was breaking
[12:12] Speaker 1: up with and Lindsay and it was just like it
[12:15] Speaker 1: was it was a lot of early this data points
[12:20] Speaker 1: where I'm like, this isn't this isn't about Whitney or
[12:24] Speaker 1: being a girl's girl. You never even talked to Whitney,
[12:26] Speaker 1: you never asked her what she thinks you've never asked
[12:29] Speaker 1: her to coffee, you've never called her nothing, you know
[12:33] Speaker 1: what I mean. So it became very clear to me
[12:35] Speaker 1: that there was an agenda, and you can respect someone,
[12:41] Speaker 1: but respect your relationship more, and it for me, it
[12:44] Speaker 1: came to a point where I tried to very respectfully,
[12:48] Speaker 1: or at least as respectfully as I could in the moment,
[12:51] Speaker 1: tell her she was being a hypocrite and I didn't
[12:53] Speaker 1: appreciate the way that she was kind of trying to
[12:56] Speaker 1: drag our relationship into a storyline.
[12:59] Speaker 2: Now regret so far getting into it with Lindsay. Do
[13:03] Speaker 2: you wish you would have just stepped back?
[13:07] Speaker 1: It's tricky because you have you seen the episode three, right?
[13:13] Speaker 2: Yes?
[13:14] Speaker 1: I have.
[13:14] Speaker 2: I just watched it.
[13:15] Speaker 1: It's tricky because in that episode there's this brunch where
[13:19] Speaker 1: Lindsay and Danielle make up and they are, you know,
[13:24] Speaker 1: have buried the hatchet. But then we get to brunch
[13:26] Speaker 1: and they's supposed to be like a celebration, and all
[13:29] Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like five or six people going
[13:33] Speaker 1: in on Danielle at the same time, and Danielle's crying,
[13:37] Speaker 1: and Owen's not there, and I'm sitting next to Danielle,
[13:40] Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't really know that the full story.
[13:45] Speaker 1: I know there was like some sort of OTPHJ like,
[13:50] Speaker 1: but I can't sit here while this girl's crying. Her
[13:53] Speaker 1: man's not here and there's literally seven girls and Kyle
[13:57] Speaker 1: like attacking her.
[13:58] Speaker 2: She's sitting like, why don't I remember that? Was I
[14:01] Speaker 2: not shown? Was it shown?
[14:03] Speaker 1: I don't think everything can make it into.
[14:04] Speaker 2: The okay, because I'm like, I'm not I don't remember that.
[14:08] Speaker 1: No, it's only a uh is it forty five minutes
[14:11] Speaker 1: or an hour?
[14:12] Speaker 2: Forty two minutes? I think forty three minutes.
[14:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, So unfortunately it can't all fit in. But watching
[14:19] Speaker 1: that show that that scene back, I'm cringing because all
[14:22] Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like it looks like I'm involved
[14:25] Speaker 1: in some girl drama.
[14:27] Speaker 2: Well you were involved in girl drama, Kenny. Okay, So
[14:31] Speaker 2: like you and Lynch in that.
[14:32] Speaker 1: Scenario, you know, I will always be the guy that's
[14:38] Speaker 1: if someone's getting picked on or whatever, I will show
[14:41] Speaker 1: up for the underdog. Maybe I was picked on as
[14:43] Speaker 1: a kid. I don't know. But I can't just sit
[14:47] Speaker 1: there and say nothing when she's going through it.
[14:50] Speaker 2: Now you call Lindsay's friends minions and mean girls. Do
[14:55] Speaker 2: you still think that?
[14:59] Speaker 1: I think in the moment, I you know, I mentioned
[15:02] Speaker 1: Minyon's at Boys' Night, I you know, Nick brought it
[15:06] Speaker 1: up at the brunch. I I wish that they were
[15:12] Speaker 1: more welcoming and receptive to Whitney and welcoming and receptive,
[15:18] Speaker 1: and I wish that they were more welcoming, receptive to
[15:22] Speaker 1: Whitney and weren't kind of all in this kind of
[15:25] Speaker 1: group think mentality. It feels like if one of them
[15:28] Speaker 1: is attacking somebody, then they're all coming after somebody. And
[15:33] Speaker 1: it can be when you see it multiple times, it
[15:38] Speaker 1: becomes a lot. So maybe not the best choice of.
[15:41] Speaker 2: Words, but yeah, because Minny and Mitney, so Lindsey is like,
[15:48] Speaker 2: they're not menyons, they're my friends and they're going to
[15:50] Speaker 2: support me when they're going to support me. So do
[15:53] Speaker 2: you understand that or you're like, Nope, I understand it.
[15:58] Speaker 1: I just think certain times.
[16:00] Speaker 2: Is come on, dig yourself out, Kenny.
[16:06] Speaker 1: With with Lindsay, And I'm just gonna be honest here
[16:10] Speaker 1: with Lindsay in particular, there's repercussions and you kind of
[16:14] Speaker 1: either have to like fall in line or you're gonna kind.
[16:18] Speaker 2: Of well, Lindsay's a very strong personality. You know exactly
[16:26] Speaker 2: where you stand with her. You know when when you
[16:29] Speaker 2: said to her, are you okay? Are you? Are you
[16:33] Speaker 2: on glue? Like you knew that was gonna throw her
[16:36] Speaker 2: over the edge.
[16:38] Speaker 1: At that point, the whole situation that had melted down,
[16:42] Speaker 1: like I was, she was standing and screaming.
[16:45] Speaker 2: You know, we did see her stand up, and I'm like,
[16:49] Speaker 2: oh shit.
[16:50] Speaker 1: I I like Lindsay. I think Lindsay is is deep downside,
[16:56] Speaker 1: there's a good person, and I think she's great for
[16:59] Speaker 1: the show, and I like how she checks people. But
[17:03] Speaker 1: sometimes like she can be overly aggressive about things.
[17:09] Speaker 2: That are you the male version of her?
[17:16] Speaker 1: Good question? I only get aggressive.
[17:19] Speaker 2: Why you hit bump heads like that?
[17:21] Speaker 1: We only butt heads when somebody is really getting attacked
[17:27] Speaker 1: for one reason or another. So, like, I'm not kind
[17:29] Speaker 1: of going out of my way picking fights with Lindsay.
[17:32] Speaker 1: I like Lindsay. I think she's a good person, but
[17:36] Speaker 1: if it's comes down to her kind of treating someone
[17:39] Speaker 1: else poorly, sometimes you have to, you know, speak up.
[17:46] Speaker 2: So Lindsay is being seen on a date with this
[17:50] Speaker 2: guy named Frank Milkman, the Milkman. You know, Frank was
[17:55] Speaker 2: on my show too, was he? Yeah, he was dating
[17:58] Speaker 2: one of the housewives.
[18:00] Speaker 1: Oh interesting, I didn't know that.
[18:02] Speaker 2: So he's like a serial reality star dater.
[18:05] Speaker 1: Okay, I don't.
[18:06] Speaker 2: I'm joking. Do you know him?
[18:08] Speaker 1: I don't know him. I don't. The first time I
[18:11] Speaker 1: ever saw the guy was was at Whitney's Welcome to
[18:13] Speaker 1: New York party. He uh, he was pretty quiet there,
[18:17] Speaker 1: so we didn't really I didn't get much out of it.
[18:27] Speaker 2: So let's go back to your relationship with Whitney. What
[18:30] Speaker 2: is it like for you to watch a relationship on
[18:32] Speaker 2: national television.
[18:34] Speaker 1: It's tough. It's tough now because I think, you know,
[18:38] Speaker 1: the first few episodes, it's been challenging to see and
[18:42] Speaker 1: challenging to see her emotional, and I think there's a
[18:45] Speaker 1: lot of things that still kind of need to be
[18:47] Speaker 1: cleared up about our relationship. So it's listen, I love
[18:52] Speaker 1: seeing her on camera, and I I love seeing this
[18:55] Speaker 1: part of our life on camera, but it's it's challenging
[18:59] Speaker 1: to see that the criticism of me and of our relationship,
[19:03] Speaker 1: and you know, especially after like the first episode kind
[19:07] Speaker 1: of vibe. So it's a little bit of a good
[19:11] Speaker 1: and bad, but I'll take it.
[19:13] Speaker 2: Was it Lexi that said that your relationship was murky?
[19:17] Speaker 1: Uh. She had communicated to Whitney that somebody had told
[19:22] Speaker 1: her that it was murky, that I said it was murky.
[19:25] Speaker 2: Did you say that?
[19:28] Speaker 1: No? Oh, those words never came out of my mouth.
[19:31] Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of relationships, let's move on. We'll leave you
[19:35] Speaker 2: and Whitney alone. By the way, you guys are adorable couple.
[19:37] Speaker 2: I love your apartment.
[19:39] Speaker 1: I love that girl to death, I really do.
[19:42] Speaker 2: She's very, very sweet, very kind. Don't this up, Okay, Kenny.
[19:46] Speaker 1: I most definitely will not.
[19:49] Speaker 2: When you were watching the Demise of Amanda and Kyle,
[19:54] Speaker 2: did you realize it was that bad when you were filming?
[19:59] Speaker 1: Yeah? I think when we were filming there was a
[20:01] Speaker 1: lot of debate around what the path should be. I
[20:07] Speaker 1: was in team take some space, see how you feel.
[20:11] Speaker 1: You might surprise yourself with the fact that you know this,
[20:15] Speaker 1: realizing that this isn't isn't it anymore? Maybe are different
[20:20] Speaker 1: people than what you were ten years ago when you
[20:23] Speaker 1: met so Well.
[20:24] Speaker 2: You had made comments like she was never there, he
[20:27] Speaker 2: would do things she wasn't around. I think that everybody
[20:29] Speaker 2: saw like the demise of it, but we didn't know
[20:33] Speaker 2: the demise of it, you know, the west of it
[20:37] Speaker 2: at all. Did you watch Summerhouse?
[20:40] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[20:41] Speaker 2: You did.
[20:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, So I watched Summerhouse, and I think there's there's
[20:47] Speaker 1: a lot of people in and around that house, and
[20:50] Speaker 1: a lot of those people were in the city when
[20:52] Speaker 1: we were filming, between the cast and crew. So, you know,
[20:57] Speaker 1: I think while I was shocking to kind of hear
[21:01] Speaker 1: about that relationship, I feel like there were people that
[21:05] Speaker 1: were clocking that relationship well before you know, anything was
[21:10] Speaker 1: officially you know, put out in a statement.
[21:13] Speaker 2: Did you watch the reunion?
[21:15] Speaker 1: I did.
[21:16] Speaker 2: What were your thoughts?
[21:18] Speaker 1: Uh, my thoughts were kJ is you know, probably the
[21:23] Speaker 1: most important part of that that reunion. The mental health
[21:27] Speaker 1: is is like so important. And my mother was schizophrenic.
[21:31] Speaker 2: My grandmother was schizophrenic too.
[21:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough, and when when there's stigma on top
[21:37] Speaker 1: of it, it just it overwhelms people or prevents people
[21:40] Speaker 1: from actually getting the help or the plan that they.
[21:44] Speaker 2: Shout out the kJ Do you think reality TV would
[21:47] Speaker 2: be a good idea for him moving forward?
[21:50] Speaker 1: I do. I do. And again that comes to the
[21:53] Speaker 1: to the stigma and like you know, BPD. I don't
[21:56] Speaker 1: think is necessarily well, I'll refrain from my judgment, but.
[22:05] Speaker 2: The mother and me wants to protect him, and because
[22:08] Speaker 2: the Bravo fans can be so mean, and I'm like, no,
[22:11] Speaker 2: I don't want you to do like I'm hoping everybody's
[22:13] Speaker 2: so super kind to him. Yeah, everything he's going through.
[22:17] Speaker 1: I feel like people love kJ you know what I mean,
[22:19] Speaker 1: and so hopefully he feels that support. But again, I think,
[22:23] Speaker 1: just because he's going through something like this, and someone
[22:25] Speaker 1: else asked me that on the street the other day,
[22:27] Speaker 1: just because he's going through something like this doesn't mean
[22:29] Speaker 1: that he can't be fully functioning and continue.
[22:33] Speaker 2: You know, you're right, You're right. Have you met West.
[22:38] Speaker 1: I've never met West. Oh, actually I met Wes at
[22:41] Speaker 1: a party last last summer briefly.
[22:46] Speaker 2: And what did you think about Wes and Amanda on
[22:49] Speaker 2: the reunion?
[22:55] Speaker 1: I just I don't I don't get it. I don't
[22:58] Speaker 1: get it. I think I don't think that Amanya Amanda
[23:02] Speaker 1: is a bad person or like an evil person. I
[23:05] Speaker 1: just think she made some bad decisions. But you don't
[23:08] Speaker 1: come and say, you know, I understand how I hurt you,
[23:14] Speaker 1: Like I am sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's just
[23:18] Speaker 1: the whole approach and tone just feels deaf. I don't know,
[23:23] Speaker 1: something's missing.
[23:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, they both it's like they both took xanax. They
[23:27] Speaker 2: went to the reunion and they just sat there and
[23:28] Speaker 2: they're like tripping, like yeah.
[23:32] Speaker 1: It's like just get through it. As opposed to.
[23:34] Speaker 2: Like no accountability actually.
[23:36] Speaker 1: Trying to be accountable and mend relationships. It doesn't seem
[23:39] Speaker 1: like that's like all right, let's get through this. And
[23:42] Speaker 1: like you know, Gough de.
[23:43] Speaker 2: Grease, well, I would imagine as time goes on on
[23:47] Speaker 2: your show, when you film, this is going to come out.
[23:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think there's there's definitely And even the
[23:55] Speaker 1: scene at the beginning of episode three with Kyle Amanda
[24:00] Speaker 1: was like I was like, whoa, this is crazy. I
[24:04] Speaker 1: was shocked. I was turning the volume up, like so,
[24:07] Speaker 1: there's just still so much for us to see as
[24:11] Speaker 1: we like get through the uh, get through the season
[24:15] Speaker 1: and how that relationship unfolds. But I was I think
[24:20] Speaker 1: a lot of people were shocked at how they showed
[24:22] Speaker 1: up to episode one and if it's a three episode
[24:25] Speaker 1: you know reunion, they got yeah.
[24:29] Speaker 2: I know, and you know they're going to sprinkle that
[24:31] Speaker 2: ship throughout the three episodes, so you know, and and
[24:34] Speaker 2: it's to the point now where this is like they
[24:38] Speaker 2: have a name for it. Now, what is it Scamanda
[24:40] Speaker 2: or Commander or something like that, And it's like they
[24:43] Speaker 2: only people only want to watch the reunion because they
[24:46] Speaker 2: want to know about this cheating stuff.
[24:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, listen. I think hopefully there's other things in
[24:54] Speaker 1: the reunion, Like you know, there were some other tidbits
[24:57] Speaker 1: with you know, Bailey and Ben and different dynamics, So
[25:03] Speaker 1: hopefully they mix it up and it's not just Scamanda.
[25:09] Speaker 1: But yeah, it's list and I think people are are
[25:12] Speaker 1: super invested in this in this story.
[25:16] Speaker 2: As do you think there's any other relationships on in
[25:20] Speaker 2: the city that you think also might crack under pressure?
[25:24] Speaker 2: Oh okay, you got something to say about that.
[25:30] Speaker 1: Let me see. I don't think so. I think I
[25:37] Speaker 1: think everyone is is pretty sound, be honest, you know
[25:40] Speaker 1: what I mean. Like some people are married, some people
[25:43] Speaker 1: are are newly pregnant.
[25:46] Speaker 2: About Yvonne, she's she's newly pregnant, right.
[25:49] Speaker 1: Yep, newly pregnant.
[25:51] Speaker 2: On the show, she was like I love for two days.
[25:54] Speaker 2: He didn't even always gone.
[25:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they've they've got a really like quirky relationship,
[25:59] Speaker 1: and Yvonne is like awesome. I love her for some
[26:02] Speaker 1: like I don't know what it is about her personality, but.
[26:05] Speaker 2: We love the minions.
[26:06] Speaker 1: I listen when she's not like under Lindsay's spell, then
[26:10] Speaker 1: I think she's awesome.
[26:12] Speaker 2: You think Lindsay has a spell. I just feel like
[26:14] Speaker 2: Lindsay's got some tight knit friends on this show. I
[26:18] Speaker 2: feel like this show might have possibly been, you know,
[26:21] Speaker 2: designed around her in her friend group, and I think
[26:25] Speaker 2: it's great. I think you guys have a great thing going.
[26:28] Speaker 2: I love the show. I love the dynamic between you guys. Honestly,
[26:33] Speaker 2: Summerhouse for me is a little like frat boyish, like
[26:37] Speaker 2: we're gonna party all the time, and I I love
[26:39] Speaker 2: in the city. I'm older, so I'm not gonna say
[26:43] Speaker 2: we don't know how old I am. But I just
[26:45] Speaker 2: like to see like the family part of it and
[26:48] Speaker 2: relationships and having kids and seeing Lindsay with her friends
[26:51] Speaker 2: that have kids that are single moms, you know, like Georgina,
[26:55] Speaker 2: and then Yvonne wanting to get pregnant all these things.
[26:58] Speaker 2: I think this is a great concept. You were on
[27:00] Speaker 2: an amazing show, and you guys will have longevity, that's
[27:03] Speaker 2: for sure. Now, I got to ask you, though, how
[27:08] Speaker 2: are you and Gavin doing, because there was like a
[27:10] Speaker 2: whole little incident at Garrett's that night and you really
[27:13] Speaker 2: felt like your bro wasn't having your back.
[27:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, Listen, I think when you lose a parent and
[27:22] Speaker 1: it's your kind of only parent, especially your mom, you
[27:28] Speaker 1: start to you start to compensate and fill that void
[27:36] Speaker 1: in weird ways. And you know, I was the first
[27:40] Speaker 1: to admit that I wasn't the best version of myself.
[27:43] Speaker 2: When well he referred to you as a boy.
[27:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he did. And I was the first admit
[27:48] Speaker 1: I wasn't the best version of myself when I was
[27:50] Speaker 1: going through that. And listen, I've been in an eleven
[27:52] Speaker 1: year relationship, an eight year relationship, and now this relationship
[27:55] Speaker 1: with which, wow, four year relationship before.
[27:58] Speaker 2: You're not really a fun boy.
[28:00] Speaker 1: Listen. It was a really challenging time and I think
[28:04] Speaker 1: I was probably looking for intimacy and validation in the
[28:08] Speaker 1: wrong places. And I'll own that, and I think it's
[28:13] Speaker 1: something that I've learned and grown from. But Gavin, of
[28:16] Speaker 1: all people, saw how challenging that time period was for.
[28:22] Speaker 2: Me, it's kind of a low blow.
[28:25] Speaker 1: So it just I felt like anybody in this world
[28:28] Speaker 1: that could have been like, actually, you know what, he
[28:32] Speaker 1: was going through a lot and flying back and forth
[28:35] Speaker 1: to Michigan every week and here on the weekends, and
[28:36] Speaker 1: it was just he knew what I went through, and
[28:40] Speaker 1: I felt like he could have showed up for me there.
[28:42] Speaker 2: And do you think that he was acting up for
[28:45] Speaker 2: the cameras.
[28:47] Speaker 1: I think that since the cameras have come up, I'm
[28:51] Speaker 1: starting to see some different type of behavior with Gavin
[28:56] Speaker 1: just over the first three episodes, you know what I mean.
[29:01] Speaker 1: And Gavin was in a relationship for a while and
[29:04] Speaker 1: that kind of ended right around the time that Whitney
[29:07] Speaker 1: and I were moving in, and there's just a number
[29:10] Speaker 1: of different dynamics in that romance that I don't know's
[29:16] Speaker 1: it's it's just a different part of Gavin that I've
[29:18] Speaker 1: never ever in our friendship scene.
[29:21] Speaker 2: Well, I look forward to see in the future what
[29:24] Speaker 2: happens between you guys. But in closing, can you tease
[29:28] Speaker 2: anything about this season where we see anything that's going
[29:32] Speaker 2: to shock viewers?
[29:36] Speaker 1: There is a lot more to come in the season,
[29:39] Speaker 1: and I think it was I didn't anticipate that it
[29:43] Speaker 1: would be this emotional. There's a lot of life events,
[29:48] Speaker 1: there's a lot of crazy things that that unfold that
[29:54] Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see on the show.
[29:58] Speaker 2: Me too, I can't wait. Well, thank you Kenny so much.
[30:01] Speaker 2: It was so nice to meet you over Zoom. But
[30:05] Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm going to be meeting you at Bravo
[30:08] Speaker 2: con or whatever it is. And congratulations on the new season.
[30:11] Speaker 2: It's doing amazing. And thank you just for being here.
[30:15] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on. I'm honored.
[30:16] Speaker 1: It's very nice to meet you.
[30:18] Speaker 2: Thank you. Give Whitney my love. I can't wait to
[30:20] Speaker 2: meet her as well. And I hope only the best
[30:23] Speaker 2: for you guys.
[30:24] Speaker 1: I definitely well she's she's hiding a room over here somewhere.
[30:27] Speaker 2: Oh tell her, I said, Hi.
[30:28] Speaker 1: I'll do. Thank you so much, Thank you,

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