# Legally Brunette: The Only Woman on Tennessee’s Death Row

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 26 Aug 2026, 50 min.

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Christa Pike was just 18 years old when she murdered her fellow classmate, Colleen Slemmer, and carved Satanic pentagrams into her body. Was this a calculated murder? Did Christa and her accomplices try to hide their involvement? Christa became the youngest woman in modern history to be sentenced to death for her crimes. On September 30, 2026, she is scheduled for execution... Is there a way out? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Hi, guys.
[0:02] Speaker 2: Welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette. I'll be your
[0:04] Speaker 2: host today, Emily Simpson with..
[0:07] Speaker 1: Shane.
[0:08] Speaker 2: Shane. Okay. First of all, before we get into... We're
[0:11] Speaker 2: going to talk about Krista Pike. That's going to be
[0:13] Speaker 2: the main focus of this episode. But before we get there,
[0:16] Speaker 2: I just wanted to do... Well, there's something new that
[0:20] Speaker 2: came up in the news that I wanted to talk
[0:21] Speaker 2: about that's looks to be like it will potentially be
[0:24] Speaker 2: a true crime issue and then wait a couple.
[0:27] Speaker 1: Updates crime hasn't been committed yet no not yet but
[0:29] Speaker 1: there's gonna be a homicide soon.
[0:32] Speaker 2: I i feel it coming i think it's yeah so
[0:34] Speaker 2: this is i i just started seeing this yesterday i
[0:37] Speaker 2: saw it once and then you know how you look
[0:39] Speaker 2: at it on instagram and then all of a sudden
[0:41] Speaker 2: i just i was seeing it everywhere it's um When you.
[0:44] Speaker 1: Say everywhere, you mean every time you look at Instagram,
[0:46] Speaker 1: it popped up?
[0:47] Speaker 2: Yes, every time I opened Instagram, it was there. So
[0:50] Speaker 2: this is Jenny Lupton. I don't know if you've heard
[0:52] Speaker 2: of this yet, but she is an Oklahoma resident who
[0:54] Speaker 2: spent nearly 29 years as a flight attendant with Southwest.
[0:58] Speaker 2: She was found dead at a Waikiki hotel on Thursday,
[1:02] Speaker 2: August 20th. She was also a mother. According to family members,
[1:07] Speaker 2: the Honolulu Department of the Medical Examiner notified them that
[1:10] Speaker 2: Lupton appeared to have fallen from a balcony on the
[1:13] Speaker 2: 24th floor of the hotel. First of all, let's just
[1:16] Speaker 2: talk about this before I get on with more of
[1:18] Speaker 2: the facts.
[1:19] Speaker 1: Wait, is that all that we know now or is
[1:20] Speaker 1: there a suspect or anything?
[1:22] Speaker 2: No, there's, well, there's no suspect. Well, they haven't determined
[1:24] Speaker 2: whether it was foul play or not.
[1:26] Speaker 1: I'm just saying. Right, so that's all we know right
[1:27] Speaker 1: now is she's falling off the balcony.
[1:28] Speaker 2: A hotel employee discovered her body near a dumpster. I
[1:32] Speaker 2: also read her body was found in the dumpster. So
[1:34] Speaker 2: I don't know if she was found in the dumpster
[1:36] Speaker 2: or near the dumpster. But Jenny Lupton had traveled to
[1:40] Speaker 2: Hawaii for work, but had planned to remain on the
[1:42] Speaker 2: island for a few days before heading home. Also, I
[1:46] Speaker 2: believe this hotel that she stayed at is where all
[1:48] Speaker 2: the pilots and flight attendants stay. And I'm sure she's probably,
[1:54] Speaker 2: if she's been a flight attendant for 30 years and
[1:56] Speaker 2: she does the route to Hawaii, she's probably stayed in
[1:58] Speaker 2: this hotel, I would assume, I'm guessing, but I would
[2:01] Speaker 2: assume numerous times. Her sister, Tressa... Noted that she had
[2:07] Speaker 2: received a text message from Jenny in the hours right
[2:10] Speaker 2: before her death saying that her sister had told her,
[2:14] Speaker 2: this is Jenny, had told her sister that she had
[2:16] Speaker 2: gone out dancing with a fellow flight attendant and had
[2:19] Speaker 2: even gotten a tattoo that evening. And the tattoo that
[2:22] Speaker 2: she got was a large hibiscus. I guess it was
[2:24] Speaker 2: in honor of her late. It's like a flower, like
[2:27] Speaker 2: a hibiscus flower, but it was a big tattoo.
[2:30] Speaker 1: And she got it in Hawaii?
[2:31] Speaker 2: In Hawaii. It was in honor of her late father.
[2:34] Speaker 2: And I believe she was telling her sister that I
[2:38] Speaker 2: think she only had it done just maybe the outline,
[2:40] Speaker 2: just the black.
[2:41] Speaker 1: Right. Like the first stage. Right.
[2:43] Speaker 2: That was stage one. But she also needed, she was
[2:45] Speaker 2: telling her sister that she would need to obviously finish
[2:47] Speaker 2: it and complete it. Southwest Airlines confirmed that Jenny Lupton's
[2:53] Speaker 2: death occurred during a layover in saying in a statement,
[2:56] Speaker 2: the Southwest Airlines family is deeply saddened by the passing
[2:59] Speaker 2: of our colleague. We have offered our condolences and support
[3:02] Speaker 2: to the employees, family and coworkers and are engaged with
[3:05] Speaker 2: local authorities as they investigate. The family has rejected the
[3:09] Speaker 2: possibility of this being a suicide and is pushing for
[3:12] Speaker 2: a formal investigation, citing what they describe as a confusing timeline.
[3:17] Speaker 2: The timeline doesn't make sense and we are afraid that
[3:19] Speaker 2: maybe there was foul play. This is what her sister said.
[3:22] Speaker 2: The family is also making plans to travel to Hawaii
[3:25] Speaker 2: to bring Jenny home. You know, I would, I, you
[3:28] Speaker 2: have to travel to Hawaii if you want to figure
[3:29] Speaker 2: out what happened. I mean, you have to be on.
[3:32] Speaker 1: You have to be at the scene because.
[3:33] Speaker 2: First of all, this is what I was thinking. This
[3:35] Speaker 2: is a touristy area. This is a touristy hotel. This
[3:38] Speaker 2: is Hawaii. I feel as if the, the police department
[3:41] Speaker 2: or the investigation probably wants to keep things. I'm just speculating,
[3:44] Speaker 2: but probably on the down low because you don't want
[3:47] Speaker 2: anything to look like, like there's, nefarious things going on.
[3:52] Speaker 1: Like on Jaws. They didn't want to announce that there
[3:54] Speaker 1: was a shark because it was a 4th of July weekend.
[3:57] Speaker 2: Right.
[3:57] Speaker 1: And they were going to scare a lot of tourists.
[3:59] Speaker 2: Right.
[3:59] Speaker 1: So they kept under wraps until Jaws killed some people.
[4:03] Speaker 2: Okay, when I was reading this story, Jaws did not
[4:05] Speaker 2: come up in my mind, but that's a good analogy.
[4:08] Speaker 2: I agree with you. The point is, we're talking about Hawaii,
[4:10] Speaker 2: we're talking about Waikiki, we're talking about where tourists come
[4:13] Speaker 2: and spend lots of money. So the last thing that
[4:15] Speaker 2: the local law enforcement wants to do is put out
[4:18] Speaker 2: something that this is a dangerous area. So the Honolulu
[4:22] Speaker 2: Police Department has opened an unattended death investigation, but has
[4:27] Speaker 2: not released further details.
[4:28] Speaker 1: But then the only other explanation, if it wasn't a crime,
[4:31] Speaker 1: then it was suicide. Well, I guess it could have
[4:33] Speaker 1: been accidental.
[4:34] Speaker 2: Well, it could have been accidental. We don't have a
[4:35] Speaker 2: toxicology report, but I don't know. I still, you know,
[4:38] Speaker 2: you're talking about, she's 50 years old, same age as me.
[4:41] Speaker 2: She went out dancing. She probably had a couple of drinks.
[4:43] Speaker 2: I don't know that for sure, but maybe she did.
[4:45] Speaker 2: She got a tattoo. She came home.
[4:47] Speaker 1: She was texting her She's living her best life.
[4:49] Speaker 2: Sister, I don't know. Yeah, she seems to be living
[4:51] Speaker 2: her best life as a flight attendant.
[4:52] Speaker 1: She has a child back home.
[4:54] Speaker 2: And I saw a photo of the balcony and the railing.
[4:58] Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like a standard railing. I don't know,
[5:00] Speaker 2: for you to accidentally fall, I mean, you would have to..
[5:04] Speaker 1: Do something stupid.
[5:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have to be standing on a table
[5:07] Speaker 2: drunk and stumble off of it and over the edge.
[5:11] Speaker 2: So accidental falls off of balconies don't make sense to me.
[5:14] Speaker 1: You'd think there'd be enough technology... Like, obviously not in
[5:18] Speaker 1: her room, but cameras in the hallway, cameras everywhere to know,
[5:23] Speaker 1: to narrow down what happened. Who came in and out
[5:25] Speaker 1: of her room? You know, maybe there's cameras outside by
[5:28] Speaker 1: the dumpster.
[5:29] Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure there are.
[5:30] Speaker 1: It's got to be something.
[5:30] Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure there are. There's just none of that
[5:32] Speaker 2: information has been released. But I would, if I was
[5:34] Speaker 2: her family member, and I didn't think for one second
[5:37] Speaker 2: that this was suicide, because obviously the fact that she's
[5:40] Speaker 2: texting her sister talking about, even though this isn't indicative
[5:44] Speaker 2: of not committing suicide, but when you talk about future plans...
[5:47] Speaker 2: It's just insight into the mens rea, right?
[5:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, leans more towards not suicidal. Right.
[5:53] Speaker 2: Because a lot of times when people, you know, we've
[5:55] Speaker 2: talked about cases where, you know, someone claims it was
[5:58] Speaker 2: suicide and then, but they use evidence of texts or
[6:03] Speaker 2: plans or calendars to present that someone couldn't have committed
[6:07] Speaker 2: suicide because they were making plans for that evening. I
[6:10] Speaker 2: had to look up, well, the Hawaii Police Department They
[6:15] Speaker 2: called it an unattended death investigation. So I had to
[6:18] Speaker 2: look that up because I'd never actually heard that term,
[6:22] Speaker 2: unattended death.
[6:22] Speaker 1: You mean she died without anyone present?
[6:24] Speaker 2: Yes. So it means a death where a person has
[6:27] Speaker 2: passed away without a medical professional or any witnesses present
[6:31] Speaker 2: to see or confirm the event. So it's an unattended death.
[6:35] Speaker 2: Here's my speculating into the future. I believe if they
[6:40] Speaker 2: investigate this fully and they start pulling video... surveillance video
[6:45] Speaker 2: because obviously this is a hotel with lots of floors
[6:48] Speaker 2: and a lot of people i'm sure there's surveillance cameras
[6:51] Speaker 2: everywhere and you know those key cards those electronic key
[6:54] Speaker 2: cards that go in and out there has to be
[6:56] Speaker 2: a record of like her coming home so there should
[6:59] Speaker 2: be because we talked about this even with the cruise
[7:02] Speaker 2: ship about how the electronic door you know when we
[7:05] Speaker 2: talk about the cruise ship case anna keppner they had
[7:07] Speaker 2: you know uh they had an exact log of entering
[7:11] Speaker 2: and exiting and whose key card was used and all
[7:13] Speaker 2: those types of things. So it will be interesting to
[7:16] Speaker 2: see if someone else came to the room, if there's
[7:19] Speaker 2: surveillance video.
[7:20] Speaker 1: When did this occur?
[7:22] Speaker 2: August 20th. So just a few days ago. So that's that.
[7:28] Speaker 2: Let's continue to follow that. 24 floors? 24 floors.
[7:32] Speaker 1: Can you imagine? No.
[7:34] Speaker 2: Do you think you... This is what I think about.
[7:36] Speaker 1: What do you think about on the way down?
[7:37] Speaker 2: Yeah. What do you think about on the way down?
[7:40] Speaker 2: And two, do you die before you hit?
[7:46] Speaker 1: No. There's a lot of people that unfortunately jump off
[7:48] Speaker 1: the Golden Gate Bridge. Yeah. And majority of them obviously die.
[7:53] Speaker 1: But there are people that have survived. A handful. Only
[7:56] Speaker 1: a few, but nonetheless, some people have survived. And each
[8:01] Speaker 1: one of those people that I've watched documentaries on, each
[8:05] Speaker 1: one of those people on the way down, they regret it.
[8:08] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
[8:08] Speaker 1: They think, oh, crap. Like, I regret this. So then
[8:12] Speaker 1: when they come out of it and they're obviously recovered,
[8:15] Speaker 1: then they tell their story that that's what they felt
[8:18] Speaker 1: on the way down.
[8:19] Speaker 2: But then they hit and they didn't die.
[8:22] Speaker 1: Right.
[8:23] Speaker 2: I know, but I'm just saying I would hope that...
[8:25] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[8:26] Speaker 1: I just like to- Well, it's tragedy nonetheless.
[8:28] Speaker 2: I know it's tragedy. I would like to tell myself
[8:31] Speaker 2: that if I'm ever in a position where you and
[8:33] Speaker 2: I are hiking in Hawaii, because you asked me for
[8:36] Speaker 2: our anniversary to go on a hike close to the edge-
[8:40] Speaker 2: Angel's Landing. Angel's Landing, that- I don't know that something
[8:43] Speaker 2: like I just die before I hit. Like I just,
[8:46] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[8:46] Speaker 1: All I know is if we ever travel anywhere and
[8:48] Speaker 1: like go hiking, I'm going to have a lot of
[8:50] Speaker 1: alibis and a lot of recording. Yeah. A lot of documentary.
[8:53] Speaker 2: You need, you need to have drone footage of everything
[8:56] Speaker 2: up above just because I could just slip and fall.
[8:59] Speaker 2: I am clumsy.
[8:59] Speaker 1: Yeah. We need to make sure it's an attended death.
[9:02] Speaker 2: An attended death.
[9:03] Speaker 1: Exactly.
[9:03] Speaker 2: Not an unattended death. Yeah. Let's move on to the
[9:14] Speaker 2: Siders family. Now, if you remember the Siders family, we've
[9:16] Speaker 2: talked about this a couple of times. This is the
[9:18] Speaker 2: House of Horrors in Ohio. There are some updates in
[9:22] Speaker 2: this case. So let's talk about that for a minute
[9:23] Speaker 2: before we move on to Krista Pike. But on June
[9:26] Speaker 2: 30th of 2026, law enforcement arrived at a home in Hamden.
[9:29] Speaker 2: This is just a little background in case, you know,
[9:31] Speaker 2: just to catch everybody up in case you haven't heard
[9:33] Speaker 2: the story. A small rural town in Venton County, Ohio.
[9:38] Speaker 2: They were there to execute a warrant related to a
[9:40] Speaker 2: child sex abuse investigation. Okay, first of all, this is
[9:44] Speaker 2: the update because I don't know if you remember, but
[9:46] Speaker 2: when they talked about they found the 16 children in
[9:48] Speaker 2: that small room and they were all filthy and malnourished
[9:52] Speaker 2: and they didn't go to school and they removed them all,
[9:55] Speaker 2: they said they kept saying they were there on an
[9:57] Speaker 2: unrelated warrant well now we know what the warrant was
[10:00] Speaker 2: for and that's what's finally come out publicly i assumed
[10:04] Speaker 2: because they had also talked about how the the the
[10:06] Speaker 2: father not the grandfather but the father gary siders i
[10:10] Speaker 2: assumed that they had the warrant to arrest him because
[10:14] Speaker 2: he had all those indecent exposure charges remember Oh.
[10:17] Speaker 1: Well, you assume so or that is the case?
[10:19] Speaker 2: No, that was just what I had read and made
[10:21] Speaker 2: the connection that he'd had some indecent exposure, misdemeanor charges. Well,
[10:25] Speaker 2: it's actually, they were investigating a sexual abuse in 2025
[10:31] Speaker 2: of two other men. And during that initial investigation of
[10:34] Speaker 2: these two other men- He was named? He was named
[10:37] Speaker 2: and his wife was named. And so that's what the
[10:39] Speaker 2: warrant was initially for back.
[10:41] Speaker 1: I believe it was- Thank goodness those people- Named them.
[10:44] Speaker 2: Yeah. So inside the home, police found 16 children, all siblings,
[10:47] Speaker 2: ranging in age from approximately 18 months to 18 years,
[10:51] Speaker 2: living in conditions described as almost beyond comprehension. According to investigators,
[10:57] Speaker 2: all 16 are the biological children of Gary Siders Jr.
[11:01] Speaker 2: and Elizabeth Siders, and they were also living in the
[11:03] Speaker 2: home with Gary Siders' parents. The four adults were arrested
[11:07] Speaker 2: that day, pleaded not guilty, and had bail set at $ 300, 000. So,
[11:12] Speaker 2: new details have emerged explaining what prompted the June 30,
[11:16] Speaker 2: 2026 search of their home. Vinton County Prosecutor William Archer
[11:20] Speaker 2: disclosed that the investigation was set in motion after two
[11:22] Speaker 2: Dollar General employees reported concerns to police about children they
[11:26] Speaker 2: had seen and believed may have been suffering abuse. The
[11:29] Speaker 2: case centers on sexual abuse within the family itself and
[11:32] Speaker 2: also implicates two additional relatives. In total, three separate investigations
[11:37] Speaker 2: stemming from the case are currently underway. So, It said,
[11:42] Speaker 2: I don't think the sexual abuse allegations, because there aren't details,
[11:46] Speaker 2: because we're talking about minors, so obviously there's not a
[11:48] Speaker 2: lot of details about this, right? But it said it's
[11:51] Speaker 2: not immediate family, which makes me think they're saying it's
[11:54] Speaker 2: not their actual 16 children that the sexual abuse allegations
[11:58] Speaker 2: are against. However, they call it intrafamilia. So I assume
[12:05] Speaker 2: there's some relation somewhere, just I'm not sure what that is. Wow.
[12:11] Speaker 1: This is the case where it's like, forget the rules,
[12:15] Speaker 1: forget the law. Clearly there's enough crimes here to put
[12:18] Speaker 1: them away forever.
[12:19] Speaker 2: You just want these people to just go.
[12:20] Speaker 1: Right, just put them away and start taking care of
[12:22] Speaker 1: the kids.
[12:22] Speaker 2: Like stop using taxpayer money. Yeah, like what are we
[12:24] Speaker 2: going to do?
[12:24] Speaker 1: List all the charges and investigate everything? I mean, how?
[12:28] Speaker 1: It's pretty apparent. Yeah, but you're an attorney. I know,
[12:31] Speaker 1: I know.
[12:31] Speaker 2: You have to follow the Constitution and you have to
[12:34] Speaker 2: follow due process. So that's where we're at.
[12:36] Speaker 1: Not for these people.
[12:37] Speaker 2: But that doesn't say that. Anywhere in the Constitution, except
[12:40] Speaker 2: for the Siders family. All right. So we have to
[12:43] Speaker 2: do our due diligence. Lock them up. The two people
[12:47] Speaker 2: that were initially investigated, which led to the warrant, which
[12:49] Speaker 2: led to them finding the 16 children, was Josh Saunders,
[12:53] Speaker 2: who is Gary Sr. and Christina Sider's grandson. He's 23,
[12:59] Speaker 2: and he was indicted on four charges, three counts of rape,
[13:02] Speaker 2: and one count of gross sexual imposition. And then the
[13:05] Speaker 2: other person, this is back in 2025, Brandon Henderson Sr.
[13:10] Speaker 2: is the boyfriend of Josh Saunders' mother.
[13:13] Speaker 1: This is just like a lot of- A hub of criminals.
[13:18] Speaker 2: He's 40, and he was indicted on 21 charges, all
[13:22] Speaker 2: of endangering children, gross sexual imposition, sexual battery, all those things.
[13:26] Speaker 2: Those were the two people that were originally investigated in
[13:29] Speaker 2: Investigation 101. Here's the question, though. What's going on at
[13:32] Speaker 2: the Dollar General that the Dollar General employees are calling
[13:35] Speaker 2: the police that there's some type of abuse going on?
[13:38] Speaker 2: I mean, it's just sad altogether.
[13:40] Speaker 1: I guess you could never commit a felony in the
[13:43] Speaker 1: dollar store. I don't know why I'm thinking that, because
[13:45] Speaker 1: I used to work at Target, and they would steal.
[13:47] Speaker 1: And if they stole over, at that time, it was
[13:49] Speaker 1: over $ 800, it would be a felony. And it didn't
[13:52] Speaker 1: take much to reach $ 800. But the dollar store? Oh, man.
[13:56] Speaker 1: You could never commit a felony there. No. You'd have
[13:58] Speaker 1: to bring in like a..
[14:00] Speaker 2: A dump truck?
[14:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, like a skid steer. They pick up a bunch
[14:04] Speaker 1: of stuff and drive out. All right.
[14:06] Speaker 2: So then the second, those men were arrested. This is
[14:08] Speaker 2: back on August 21st of 2026. Based upon that investigation
[14:13] Speaker 2: with those two men that are all related into the
[14:15] Speaker 2: Siders family, that's when Gary and Elizabeth Siders, those are
[14:18] Speaker 2: the parents of the 16 children. That's how they got implicated.
[14:22] Speaker 2: And then that's why the warrant was issued back on
[14:24] Speaker 2: June 30th when we first heard about the Ohio House
[14:26] Speaker 2: of Horse.
[14:27] Speaker 1: When they go to jail, they're going to... They're going
[14:29] Speaker 1: to live with better standards in jail than they did
[14:32] Speaker 1: with those, a lot of those kids.
[14:35] Speaker 2: Oh, you mean.
[14:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, they themselves.
[14:36] Speaker 2: Oh, you mean they're going to have.
[14:37] Speaker 1: The criminals. The criminals, yeah. Are going to be in
[14:39] Speaker 1: a cell. Right, with three meals a day. Presumably clean
[14:42] Speaker 1: and reasonable. And they're going to be fed and they're
[14:44] Speaker 1: going to get health checkups and everything. And all these
[14:48] Speaker 1: kids never got to have that.
[14:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, I did read. So all the children, I read
[14:53] Speaker 2: that there's... So Ohio, I'm not sure how that works,
[14:56] Speaker 2: but they took money and separated it out for those
[14:59] Speaker 2: 16 kids. So I'm not sure where they are. I
[15:01] Speaker 2: don't know how they disperse them or who's taking care
[15:03] Speaker 2: of them or how they are.
[15:04] Speaker 1: They might be confidential.
[15:05] Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it is.
[15:06] Speaker 1: So that way, news reporters, not everyone's knocking on the
[15:09] Speaker 1: doors and stuff.
[15:10] Speaker 2: Well, can you imagine? Because some of those kids go
[15:11] Speaker 2: all the way up to their teenagers. Can you imagine
[15:14] Speaker 2: if the media found out where they were or where
[15:16] Speaker 2: they were located? I mean, they would hound them. So
[15:18] Speaker 2: when law enforcement... Executed the search warrant at the Siders house.
[15:22] Speaker 2: This is on June 30th. And they discovered the 16
[15:24] Speaker 2: children living in the house in unsafe conditions. The indictments
[15:28] Speaker 2: allege that the children suffered serious physical harm. That's when
[15:31] Speaker 2: Gary Siders and Elizabeth Siders and Christina, the grandmother, were
[15:35] Speaker 2: indicted on 19 charges each. So each one of them
[15:38] Speaker 2: was indicted on 19 charges, two counts of endangering children,
[15:41] Speaker 2: 10 counts of endangering children, and seven counts of endangering children.
[15:46] Speaker 2: And then Gary Sider Sr., the grandfather, was indicted on
[15:48] Speaker 2: 16 charges.
[15:50] Speaker 1: Of endangering children?
[15:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, of endangering.
[15:52] Speaker 1: I'm seeing a theme here.
[15:53] Speaker 2: Of endangering children. One more thing. I do know that
[15:56] Speaker 2: the most recent thing is I believe the defense attorney
[15:59] Speaker 2: that's representing Gary and I don't know about Christina. She
[16:03] Speaker 2: has a different defense attorney. But I know they're asking
[16:05] Speaker 2: for a mental competency test.
[16:08] Speaker 1: Oh, now? Now, yeah. So during the whole time they
[16:10] Speaker 1: were living and raising kids and having kids, they never
[16:12] Speaker 1: thought that they might have mental issues?
[16:16] Speaker 2: Well, they weren't on anyone's radar. But now they're like,
[16:18] Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if I can understand the
[16:21] Speaker 2: charges against me. I don't know if I can go
[16:22] Speaker 2: to trial. So they're asking for a mental competency test.
[16:25] Speaker 1: Well, then we can just skip the trial. Again, due.
[16:30] Speaker 2: Process. All right, let's move on to the bulk of
[16:33] Speaker 2: what we were going to talk about today, which is
[16:35] Speaker 2: Krista Pike. And it was interesting to me because we
[16:37] Speaker 2: decided to talk about the Krista Pike case today. But
[16:40] Speaker 2: right after we decided to talk about it and I
[16:42] Speaker 2: was researching it and reading about it, I started getting
[16:44] Speaker 2: DMs from people saying, hey, you guys should talk about
[16:47] Speaker 2: Krista Pike. And I don't know if it was coincidence,
[16:50] Speaker 2: just it's an interesting thing to talk about.
[16:52] Speaker 1: Or if it was- Well, it's in the news, isn't it?
[16:54] Speaker 2: Well, it's come up in the news a little bit
[16:56] Speaker 2: because she is set to be executed September 30th, so
[17:00] Speaker 2: next month. And so her name has come up in
[17:03] Speaker 2: the news. And I think maybe that's what, you know.
[17:06] Speaker 1: And she's a female.
[17:07] Speaker 2: She's a female.
[17:07] Speaker 1: On death row.
[17:08] Speaker 2: On death row in Tennessee.
[17:09] Speaker 1: Right. All right.
[17:10] Speaker 2: So let's go back and let's talk about Krista Pike.
[17:14] Speaker 2: This happened back in January of 1995. A 19-year-old girl
[17:18] Speaker 2: walked away from her dormitory on a cold Tennessee night
[17:21] Speaker 2: and never came back.
[17:22] Speaker 1: How old were you in 1995? In January. That's when
[17:25] Speaker 1: your birthday is. Yeah. You're turning 19.
[17:28] Speaker 2: I turned 19. Okay.
[17:30] Speaker 1: Yeah. Decades ago. Yeah.
[17:33] Speaker 2: So long ago. All right.
[17:34] Speaker 1: 95.
[17:35] Speaker 2: Okay, back to 95. What was found the next morning
[17:38] Speaker 2: would leave investigators shaken. The brutality of what had been
[17:42] Speaker 2: done to Colleen Slimmer wasn't the only disturbing part of
[17:46] Speaker 2: the story. What made it truly chilling was who did it,
[17:49] Speaker 2: how young they were, and what one of them chose
[17:51] Speaker 2: to bring back as a souvenir. This is a case
[17:54] Speaker 2: about jealousy taken to its darkest possible extreme, about a
[17:58] Speaker 2: rivalry so consumed by obsession that it ended in torture
[18:02] Speaker 2: and trophies and one of the most shocking courtroom outcomes
[18:05] Speaker 2: in American history. Today, we're going to talk about the
[18:08] Speaker 2: murder of Colleen Slimmer, the girl who was lured into
[18:12] Speaker 2: the dark and the teenager who made sure everyone knew
[18:15] Speaker 2: what she had done. All right, so Colleen Slimmer was
[18:18] Speaker 2: 19 and Krista Pike was 18. And they were both
[18:21] Speaker 2: students at the Knoxville Job Corps Center in Knoxville, Tennessee,
[18:25] Speaker 2: which was a federally funded vocational training program. You know,
[18:29] Speaker 2: I watched kind of, not a documentary, but I found
[18:31] Speaker 2: some episodes about Krista Pike. And we were talking about
[18:34] Speaker 2: this a little bit earlier. But I'm surprised that one
[18:37] Speaker 2: of these big mainstreaming services, you know, like Hulu or
[18:41] Speaker 2: Netflix or Amazon or something, has not done an in-depth
[18:45] Speaker 2: documentary on the Krista Pike case. That's why we're here.
[18:49] Speaker 2: So anyway, we're here to put it out there. Breaking news.
[18:52] Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it. It has all the elements.
[18:56] Speaker 2: I mean, she's young. She's like a petite... cute young
[19:00] Speaker 2: girl with red curly hair. You wouldn't look at her
[19:04] Speaker 2: and think that.
[19:05] Speaker 1: She could be an evil, evil person. A satanic killer.
[19:10] Speaker 2: You know, and also again, and we'll get into this
[19:12] Speaker 2: more when we talk about it, while I was going
[19:15] Speaker 2: through this and researching this case, it comes up again
[19:18] Speaker 2: of a nature versus nurture debate. Because I did read
[19:24] Speaker 2: a lot about what a horrific childhood that Krista Pike had.
[19:29] Speaker 1: I mean... Physical abuse, sexual..
[19:33] Speaker 2: All of the above.
[19:34] Speaker 1: Everything.
[19:34] Speaker 2: I believe she was raped at a young age. I
[19:36] Speaker 2: think her mother was negligent. I don't think she had
[19:38] Speaker 2: a father around. I think there was a lot of
[19:40] Speaker 2: sexual abuse. I know there was..
[19:42] Speaker 1: Okay, so it was bad all around.
[19:43] Speaker 2: It was just bad. I don't deny for one second
[19:46] Speaker 2: that she had a horrific childhood.
[19:48] Speaker 1: That certainly played a part in her career. behavior.
[19:50] Speaker 2: Certainly. But here's always my question that we go back to.
[19:54] Speaker 2: Would Krista Pike still have committed such a heinous crime?
[19:58] Speaker 2: Was she just innately evil? Or did she develop into
[20:03] Speaker 2: that because of what she's gone through?
[20:06] Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll talk about it. The latter. The latter.
[20:09] Speaker 1: You think she was born a killer? No one is
[20:12] Speaker 1: born coming out of the womb with such hate.
[20:16] Speaker 2: I think people are born... I think some people are
[20:19] Speaker 2: born innately evil. You think they're shaped by... So then
[20:22] Speaker 2: your argument is totally nurture.
[20:26] Speaker 1: Well, no. Yes. Maybe. No. Yes. But nature is a
[20:34] Speaker 1: part of it. But I think you can make anyone...
[20:39] Speaker 1: A criminal. You could probably make anyone not a criminal.
[20:43] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[20:43] Speaker 2: I think some people.
[20:44] Speaker 1: Come out of the womb. I think it's a huge impact.
[20:46] Speaker 2: Evil.
[20:47] Speaker 1: Yeah. I was watching Twins the other day with Schwarzenegger
[20:51] Speaker 1: and DeVito. Yes. That's nature versus nurture.
[20:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[20:55] Speaker 1: Because you have Schwarzenegger, they're twins, right? Schwarzenegger's like cream
[20:59] Speaker 1: of the crop. They took the best parts of everything.
[21:02] Speaker 1: And then what resulted when they took out all the crap...
[21:06] Speaker 1: was Danny DeVito's character.
[21:08] Speaker 2: Oh, that's awful.
[21:09] Speaker 1: It is awful.
[21:09] Speaker 2: Poor Danny DeVito.
[21:10] Speaker 1: But that's the comedy.
[21:12] Speaker 2: Here's my question. How do you pitch that role to
[21:14] Speaker 2: Danny DeVito?
[21:15] Speaker 1: I know.
[21:15] Speaker 2: Like, what are you like, okay, so this movie's about twins.
[21:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, but this guy, Danny DeVito, has accepted his character
[21:23] Speaker 1: and how he's portrayed and the humor that he can have.
[21:27] Speaker 1: And for that, he's become somewhat of an A-lister his
[21:30] Speaker 1: whole life.
[21:31] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I would agree with that. I was just
[21:33] Speaker 2: wondering how you just pitched that role to him. Like,
[21:35] Speaker 2: you're the twin that.
[21:37] Speaker 1: Got all the crap DNA. How do you pitch any
[21:38] Speaker 1: of those roles where it's like, oh, you're the fugly friend? Yeah,
[21:40] Speaker 1: the fugly friend, right? Anyway, Schwarzenegger, cream of the crop, strong, brilliant, smart, kind,
[21:48] Speaker 1: grew up on an island, has not a mean bone
[21:52] Speaker 1: in his body. DeVito, his character is a crook. He's shady.
[21:57] Speaker 1: He's a con man. He's a sleazeball. Yeah.
[22:01] Speaker 2: But that's because did he have a hard life?
[22:02] Speaker 1: Is that why? I didn't finish the movie yet.
[22:04] Speaker 2: Okay, great. All right. Thank you. So there's no conclusion.
[22:08] Speaker 1: I'll let you know next week.
[22:09] Speaker 2: Okay, perfect. Stay tuned for the rest of that story.
[22:12] Speaker 1: Twins. Twins.
[22:13] Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to, we're talking about Krista Pike.
[22:17] Speaker 2: She's in a job core with her. It's Colleen Slimmer
[22:20] Speaker 2: is one of her classmates at this job core. Also
[22:24] Speaker 2: this job core, this is what I learned in one
[22:26] Speaker 2: of the, some of these, um, things I was watching
[22:28] Speaker 2: about Krista Pike, the original intent of the job core
[22:31] Speaker 2: was just to have, um, kids that didn't want the
[22:34] Speaker 2: traditional route of like going to college. And so originally alternative,
[22:38] Speaker 2: I think it was just to learn job skills. And
[22:40] Speaker 2: they said, and originally it worked out really well. And
[22:43] Speaker 2: they had like a lot of good kids and they
[22:44] Speaker 2: came and they, they were dedicated and they learned job
[22:47] Speaker 2: skills and they wanted to go into the market. They
[22:48] Speaker 2: learned a trade. Then it started, and then it started
[22:52] Speaker 2: to turn because I believe there were a lot of
[22:54] Speaker 2: kids that were getting in trouble. And then judges were
[22:56] Speaker 2: sending like these kids that were like.
[22:59] Speaker 1: Oh, to Job Corps?
[23:00] Speaker 2: To Job Corps that were involved in criminal activity or
[23:03] Speaker 2: getting in trouble for drugs or getting in trouble for fighting.
[23:06] Speaker 1: You like to steal? Go over here to Job Corps
[23:09] Speaker 1: and apply for a job.
[23:10] Speaker 2: They were sending these kids to Job Corps. And so
[23:14] Speaker 2: it started to So then a lot of kids that were-
[23:16] Speaker 2: They started to taint the crowd at Job Corps. All right.
[23:19] Speaker 2: So Krista Pike and Colleen Slimmer, who were both at
[23:22] Speaker 2: Job Corps, were rivals largely because both had had a
[23:26] Speaker 2: romantic interest in the same young man. His name was
[23:29] Speaker 2: Tadaryl Shipp, and he was also a Job Corps student.
[23:33] Speaker 2: Krista viewed Colleen as a threat and harbored an intense
[23:37] Speaker 2: obsessive jealousy toward her. So we've got Colleen, who used
[23:41] Speaker 2: to date to Daryl. And then you've got Krista, who
[23:44] Speaker 2: is his new girlfriend.
[23:45] Speaker 1: Okay. Krista is the new girl.
[23:47] Speaker 2: Krista is the new girlfriend. So you've got to Daryl
[23:50] Speaker 2: and Krista who are dating. Colleen used to be his
[23:52] Speaker 2: ex-girlfriend or whatever. Then Krista has this intense, horrible, like jealousy,
[23:57] Speaker 2: obsessive with Colleen. And she talks about it all the time.
[24:01] Speaker 2: So on January 12th of 1995. Six days before your
[24:03] Speaker 2: 19th birthday. Thank you. Krista lured Colleen away from the
[24:09] Speaker 2: Job Corps campus under the pretense of going to smoke
[24:12] Speaker 2: weed at a secluded area behind the University of Tennessee,
[24:16] Speaker 2: which the campus was nearby. To Daryl and Krista's friend,
[24:20] Speaker 2: Shadola also accompanied them. So you've got Krista Pike.
[24:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[24:26] Speaker 2: You've got Colleen, who is the innocent.
[24:28] Speaker 1: Girl who thinks... Okay, Krista and Colleen.
[24:30] Speaker 2: Well, and you know what makes me sad is Colleen
[24:32] Speaker 2: probably thought, I mean, because Krista was always mean to her.
[24:35] Speaker 2: So she probably thought, oh, this girl's being nice to
[24:38] Speaker 2: me now.
[24:38] Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
[24:39] Speaker 2: Like, I'm going to go hang out with them.
[24:41] Speaker 1: Right.
[24:41] Speaker 2: And make some friends.
[24:43] Speaker 1: Right. And smoke some weed.
[24:45] Speaker 2: And smoke some weed. But I'm just saying, I can
[24:47] Speaker 2: picture her being like, oh, like, I'm feeling.
[24:50] Speaker 1: These girls, maybe they're going to be nice to me now. Right.
[24:53] Speaker 1: I know. She had high hopes. Right.
[24:55] Speaker 2: And then to Daryl is the boyfriend of Krista. And
[24:58] Speaker 2: then another friend, Shadola. All right, so once the group
[25:00] Speaker 2: reached the secluded area, Krista and Tadaryl attacked Colleen in
[25:04] Speaker 2: a prolonged and brutal assault. Colleen was beaten with sticks
[25:09] Speaker 2: and a chunk of asphalt. Krista then used a box
[25:14] Speaker 2: cutter to slash Krista repeatedly and carved a pentagram shape
[25:17] Speaker 2: into her chest and head while she was still alive.
[25:21] Speaker 2: The attack lasted an estimated 30 minutes to an hour.
[25:24] Speaker 2: I believe what I watched, they said it lasted about
[25:26] Speaker 2: 45 minutes.
[25:29] Speaker 1: What was the cause of death?
[25:30] Speaker 2: So the actual cause of death was the blunt force trauma,
[25:33] Speaker 2: but she was alive for a long time. I believe
[25:35] Speaker 2: she was alive for about 45 minutes.
[25:36] Speaker 1: She ultimately died as a result of blunt force trauma,
[25:38] Speaker 1: not immediately.
[25:39] Speaker 2: Right. So she was alive during the time they were
[25:41] Speaker 2: cutting her and stabbing her and torturing her. In one
[25:45] Speaker 2: of the most disturbing details of the case, Krista pocketed
[25:48] Speaker 2: a piece of Colleen's skull, which was approximately the size
[25:52] Speaker 2: of a quarter, and later showed it off to other
[25:55] Speaker 2: Job Corps students back at the campus, reportedly bragging about
[25:58] Speaker 2: what she had done. I mean, talk about a psychopath.
[26:02] Speaker 2: I mean..
[26:03] Speaker 1: You show people the skull and say, I killed someone? Yeah.
[26:06] Speaker 1: That's what she did? Yeah. You're not going to get
[26:08] Speaker 1: away with crime if you do that.
[26:09] Speaker 2: Well, no, this is how... I mean, this isn't a
[26:12] Speaker 2: crime that she was trying to get away with. I mean,
[26:14] Speaker 2: this is what they left.
[26:15] Speaker 1: She wanted it known that I killed so-and-so, and so-and-so
[26:18] Speaker 1: is not going to have my man, and she's dead now. Right.
[26:21] Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like she was trying to be sneaky.
[26:23] Speaker 2: They literally signed out of Job Corps all of their
[26:26] Speaker 2: names and Colleen's name. Then they signed back in. They
[26:29] Speaker 2: went back to Job Corps.
[26:30] Speaker 1: Oh, after the crime?
[26:31] Speaker 2: After they murdered her, they went back and signed back in,
[26:35] Speaker 2: and everybody signed in except for Colleen.
[26:38] Speaker 1: I mean..
[26:39] Speaker 2: This girl isn't even... She's such a psychopath.
[26:44] Speaker 1: Krista's 18, right? Yeah. How old's the other girl?
[26:47] Speaker 2: I don't know how old Shadola is, but I assume
[26:49] Speaker 2: the same. I think they're all 17 and 18.
[26:51] Speaker 1: They're all adults to be tried as an adult.
[26:55] Speaker 2: January 13th, 1995. This is the next day. Colleen's body
[26:59] Speaker 2: was discovered the following day by a passerby near the
[27:02] Speaker 2: University of Tennessee's agricultural campus. She had suffered hundreds of
[27:07] Speaker 2: wounds and severe blunt force trauma to the head. Investigators
[27:11] Speaker 2: quickly zeroed in on students at the Job Corps Center
[27:14] Speaker 2: after witnesses came forward. Well, of course, witnesses are coming forward.
[27:17] Speaker 2: I mean, she went back and bragged about it and
[27:19] Speaker 2: showed a piece of her skull. Right. And she showed
[27:23] Speaker 2: her best friend. I saw an interview with Krista's best friend.
[27:26] Speaker 2: She testified against her and might have contacted the police
[27:29] Speaker 2: as well. But after... And I feel sorry for this
[27:32] Speaker 2: girl because she was best friends with Krista. And the
[27:34] Speaker 2: way she described her was that she was just this
[27:36] Speaker 2: like tiny little petite redhead, happy go lucky, fun girl
[27:41] Speaker 2: that she was best friends with. She knew that she
[27:43] Speaker 2: had this insane jealousy with Colleen. She told her, I'm
[27:48] Speaker 2: going to go smoke pot with Colleen. And, and she said,
[27:52] Speaker 2: she saw them leave. Like she said, she said out
[27:54] Speaker 2: the window of the job core, like she saw them
[27:56] Speaker 2: leave the building, but she, she, Said she feels guilty
[28:00] Speaker 2: because at that moment in time, if she would have
[28:03] Speaker 2: truly believed that Krista was as evil as she was
[28:05] Speaker 2: and that she was going to kill her.
[28:07] Speaker 1: But she didn't know.
[28:08] Speaker 2: She didn't know. No. You know, and even I think
[28:10] Speaker 2: maybe they had said that Krista had even verbalized like,
[28:12] Speaker 2: I'm going to kill that girl. But at the end
[28:14] Speaker 2: of the day.
[28:15] Speaker 1: How many times have you told me you're going to
[28:16] Speaker 1: kill me? Never.
[28:18] Speaker 2: Okay.
[28:19] Speaker 1: If anyone out there wants to take it seriously.
[28:22] Speaker 2: My point is. Yes. She felt a lot of guilt
[28:25] Speaker 2: because she saw in that moment that she could have
[28:28] Speaker 2: done something. She could have called someone. She could have said, hey,
[28:31] Speaker 2: they left and Colleen went with them. I think something's
[28:33] Speaker 2: going to happen to her. Anyway, Krista comes back.
[28:37] Speaker 1: It's like survivor's guilt. Is that kind of it? No.
[28:40] Speaker 1: It's like I could have done something.
[28:41] Speaker 2: That's not survivor's guilt. Survivor's guilt is when you survive.
[28:45] Speaker 2: Like you're in a plane crash and everybody dies except you.
[28:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[28:48] Speaker 2: Like you're part of the whatever traumatic event it was.
[28:53] Speaker 1: Okay. Well, she just felt guilty then. She felt I
[28:56] Speaker 1: could have done something and I didn't. Right. She didn't
[28:58] Speaker 1: know to do something either. Right.
[29:01] Speaker 2: Krista Pike, Tadaryl Shipp, and Shadola Peterson were all arrested
[29:06] Speaker 2: within days of the murder. From 1995 to 96, this
[29:10] Speaker 2: is when they're talking about the investigation and plea deals
[29:11] Speaker 2: and all those things, Shadola Peterson pleaded guilty to accessory
[29:15] Speaker 2: after the fact, a significantly lesser charge than first-degree murder,
[29:19] Speaker 2: in exchange for her cooperation and testimony against Krista Pike
[29:23] Speaker 2: and Tadaryl Shipp. Because of that plea deal, she receives
[29:26] Speaker 2: six years of probation rather than prison time. You know,
[29:30] Speaker 2: that's such a..
[29:30] Speaker 1: That's a huge discrepancy. Right. Six years?
[29:35] Speaker 2: A probation. You know, sometimes you take the, what is it,
[29:38] Speaker 2: the smaller fish to get the... big fish, right? You
[29:42] Speaker 2: take a plea deal, you let it go. It's like
[29:44] Speaker 2: we talked about Pamela Smart. They wanted Pamela Smart. So
[29:47] Speaker 2: the kids that actually committed the murder ended up getting
[29:51] Speaker 2: lesser sentences and ended up out of prison at some
[29:53] Speaker 2: point even though pamela smart never touched the her husband
[29:57] Speaker 2: she's the end for life and.
[29:59] Speaker 1: They must have known something like that that they didn't
[30:01] Speaker 1: have a whole lot on her because she was only
[30:03] Speaker 1: present so maybe it would have been a stretch to
[30:05] Speaker 1: try to.
[30:05] Speaker 2: I think it was i think they found it more
[30:07] Speaker 2: beneficial to get her to probably testify against the other.
[30:10] Speaker 1: Two although it's you know if she went there knowing
[30:13] Speaker 1: the plan was to kill then it's like well that's
[30:16] Speaker 1: that's beyond aiding and abetting that's you know, perpetrating.
[30:21] Speaker 2: So to Daryl ship pleaded guilty to first degree murder
[30:23] Speaker 2: and accepted a sentence of life in prison with the
[30:26] Speaker 2: possibility of parole after 51 years, he avoided the death penalty.
[30:31] Speaker 2: Krista Pike did not take any kind of plea deal
[30:33] Speaker 2: and she chose to go to trial.
[30:34] Speaker 1: Did, uh, is, is he still in jail in prison then? Yeah.
[30:37] Speaker 2: So he's still in prison. He's eligible for parole, but I,
[30:40] Speaker 2: I can't do math in my head. So this is,
[30:42] Speaker 2: this is 1996 and 51 years later would.
[30:43] Speaker 1: Be Well, yeah, you were 20 then and you're 51.
[30:49] Speaker 1: How old are you now?
[30:50] Speaker 2: I'm 50. Stop making me older than I am.
[30:53] Speaker 1: 30 years.
[30:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying, I don't know what the year is.
[30:55] Speaker 2: 51 years from 1996.
[30:57] Speaker 1: Oh, it's 20 years from now. It's when you're 70.
[31:01] Speaker 2: Now, why do you keep talking about me? Well, I'm
[31:04] Speaker 2: just trying to give you a frame of reference. No,
[31:06] Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk about when to Daryl would be
[31:08] Speaker 2: up for parole.
[31:09] Speaker 1: In 20 years. If he had been in there for
[31:11] Speaker 1: 30 years, he's got another 20.
[31:12] Speaker 2: Okay. So 2046, he's eligible for parole.
[31:15] Speaker 1: Give or take.
[31:16] Speaker 2: All right.
[31:16] Speaker 1: So Krista Pike. Eligible does not mean he will be
[31:18] Speaker 1: granted parole.
[31:18] Speaker 2: I know, he's eligible.
[31:19] Speaker 1: Right.
[31:20] Speaker 2: Krista Pike chose to go to trial. So in February
[31:23] Speaker 2: of 1996, the trial of Krista Pike begins. Her trial
[31:27] Speaker 2: took place in Knox County, Tennessee. The prosecution presented overwhelming evidence,
[31:31] Speaker 2: including eyewitness testimony from Shadola, forensic evidence, and the piece
[31:36] Speaker 2: of Colleen's skull that Krista kept as a trophy. You know,
[31:40] Speaker 2: they brought the actual piece of skull out and passed
[31:43] Speaker 2: it around. I mean, the jury..
[31:44] Speaker 1: They did that on purpose.
[31:46] Speaker 2: Of course they did that on purpose. They did it
[31:47] Speaker 2: on purpose. But I saw an interview with her mom...
[31:51] Speaker 2: Colleen's mom, the victim's mom. She just, I mean, can
[31:54] Speaker 2: you imagine sitting in court?
[31:56] Speaker 1: I don't know if it was necessary. I mean, we
[32:00] Speaker 1: know the reason, right? Make them feel it, make it
[32:02] Speaker 1: seem more real. But was there really a reason that
[32:06] Speaker 1: they needed to touch it and feel it? Do they
[32:08] Speaker 1: touch the gun when it's a murder weapon? I mean,
[32:11] Speaker 1: what are they? I've never heard of that. I know
[32:14] Speaker 1: that's the reason.
[32:14] Speaker 2: I don't know if they touched it. Maybe they just
[32:16] Speaker 2: presented it and passed it around. They got to see it.
[32:19] Speaker 2: It was brought out in court. And you could see
[32:21] Speaker 2: the fragment.
[32:22] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[32:22] Speaker 2: And the mom, her mom said, this is Colleen's mom,
[32:25] Speaker 2: said that it was so fragile. It was like kind
[32:27] Speaker 2: of like pieces were falling apart and it was being
[32:30] Speaker 2: passed around. I assume that the prosecution did it as sympathy.
[32:34] Speaker 2: I mean, they want the death penalty, right?
[32:36] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Make it real.
[32:37] Speaker 2: Make it real. Make this woman, make Krista Pike look
[32:39] Speaker 2: like the psychopath that she is. Yeah.
[32:41] Speaker 1: Isn't the skull the hardest, the strongest bone in the body, though?
[32:44] Speaker 2: I don't know, but she... broke her skull with asphalt
[32:48] Speaker 2: yeah i mean can you imagine the force that that
[32:50] Speaker 2: i mean she's small too she's a small petite girl.
[32:52] Speaker 1: Well the same amount of force whether you're big or small.
[32:55] Speaker 2: I'm just saying like yeah but if you're a big
[32:59] Speaker 2: dude and you're 300 pounds it's gonna be a lot
[33:01] Speaker 2: easier i'm just saying like the amount of force and
[33:04] Speaker 2: exertion you have to use to be that small and
[33:07] Speaker 2: to break someone's skull and to do.
[33:09] Speaker 1: It and then not only does it break the skull
[33:11] Speaker 1: but then it has to Like come through the flesh.
[33:13] Speaker 2: Yes.
[33:13] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like you can break bones,
[33:15] Speaker 1: but they don't pop out.
[33:16] Speaker 2: No, I know. For her to get a piece of
[33:18] Speaker 2: the skull, she has to like dig into her skull
[33:20] Speaker 2: and pull a piece out.
[33:21] Speaker 1: Or she had hit her so hard that it popped out.
[33:23] Speaker 2: Yeah. Krista's defense.
[33:26] Speaker 1: Are we surprised she carved an anarchy sign in her? Yeah.
[33:30] Speaker 1: She's psycho.
[33:31] Speaker 2: She claimed to be a satanic. So they pass around
[33:35] Speaker 2: the piece of Colleen's skull that Krista kept as a trophy.
[33:39] Speaker 2: Multiple Job Corps students testified that Krista had openly shown
[33:42] Speaker 2: off the piece of bone and boasted about the killing.
[33:46] Speaker 2: Krista's defense attempted to argue diminished capacity and portrayed her
[33:50] Speaker 2: as a troubled young woman who had suffered severe childhood abuse, neglect,
[33:55] Speaker 2: and trauma, all of which was largely true. However, the
[33:58] Speaker 2: jury was not persuaded to spare her life. I don't know.
[34:02] Speaker 2: What do you think? You're on the jury. And she
[34:04] Speaker 2: did this heinous crime, but then the defense presents that
[34:07] Speaker 2: she had this awful childhood.
[34:09] Speaker 1: And she was raped. It's terrible. It's tough. I can't
[34:14] Speaker 1: really judge all that, like to weigh it. But at
[34:20] Speaker 1: the end of the day, she has to be put
[34:21] Speaker 1: away because she could do it again.
[34:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the point. The point to me is I
[34:26] Speaker 2: understand and sympathize with someone who has a very, very
[34:29] Speaker 2: troubled childhood.
[34:30] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[34:30] Speaker 2: But someone like that cannot live in a civilized community.
[34:36] Speaker 1: No, because they could do it again.
[34:37] Speaker 2: Because she has no remorse. She didn't try to hide it.
[34:41] Speaker 2: She was blatant about it. She wanted her dead. She
[34:44] Speaker 2: bragged about it. She bashed her skull in. She kept
[34:47] Speaker 2: a piece of her skull. Someone like that cannot go
[34:51] Speaker 2: into normal society and function and not be a threat
[34:57] Speaker 2: to other people at some point. Right. Krista Pike was
[35:07] Speaker 2: convicted of first-degree murder. Jurors deliberated for only about two
[35:11] Speaker 2: hours on March 22nd of 1996 before finding Krista Pike
[35:16] Speaker 2: guilty of first-degree premeditated murder and conspiracy to commit murder.
[35:21] Speaker 2: You know, whatever this... show or episode that I watched
[35:24] Speaker 2: that had to do with Krista Pike. Uh, I believe
[35:27] Speaker 2: they interviewed like a journalist that followed the story and
[35:29] Speaker 2: an investigator. And I don't remember exactly who it was,
[35:31] Speaker 2: but they made a joke and said that the jury
[35:34] Speaker 2: deliberated for about two hours, but he even believed that
[35:37] Speaker 2: like an hour of that was lunch.
[35:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[35:39] Speaker 2: So it's like, it was just, I.
[35:41] Speaker 1: Mean, they were all, you know, you know, when someone
[35:43] Speaker 1: has a little bit of blood on them and you're like,
[35:45] Speaker 1: explain that one, how did the blood get on you?
[35:48] Speaker 1: How did your feet, how did the skull fragment ended
[35:50] Speaker 1: up in your pocket? I mean, She's guilty.
[35:54] Speaker 2: Yeah. The jury sentenced her to death, making her, at
[35:57] Speaker 2: age 20, the youngest woman sentenced to death in modern U.S.
[36:01] Speaker 2: history at the time of her sentencing. She is the
[36:03] Speaker 2: only woman on death row in Tennessee.
[36:06] Speaker 1: Ever or just present, currently? Currently.
[36:09] Speaker 2: So it looks as if the only other woman executed
[36:12] Speaker 2: in Tennessee was a woman in 1820, which I don't
[36:15] Speaker 2: know what that case is. Now I'm intrigued. Now I
[36:17] Speaker 2: want to find out who this other woman in Tennessee
[36:20] Speaker 2: was executed. What kind of crime was that one? In 1820.
[36:24] Speaker 2: Krista's execution date is scheduled for September 30th of next month.
[36:29] Speaker 2: This is why she's come up in the news. And
[36:31] Speaker 2: this is why her case is, you know, coming up.
[36:34] Speaker 2: It's also coming up because she's been trying to, and
[36:37] Speaker 2: to me, it looks like To me, it's more of
[36:40] Speaker 2: like a stall tactic because her execution date is coming up.
[36:43] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[36:44] Speaker 2: That her attorneys are arguing that the vein, the lethal injection,
[36:50] Speaker 2: like she has some blood disorder or something. She suffers
[36:53] Speaker 2: from some type of..
[36:54] Speaker 1: She gets really grossed out. Yeah.
[36:56] Speaker 2: It's like she's got some medical issues. So they're trying
[36:59] Speaker 2: to argue that that won't work and she needs an
[37:02] Speaker 2: alternative method or she needs... They keep saying a central line.
[37:05] Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what that means because I'm not
[37:06] Speaker 2: a medical person, but I... Assume instead of maybe going intravenously,
[37:12] Speaker 2: it's some other way to inject the lethal injection.
[37:15] Speaker 1: They should just say, we have this method, Ms. Pike,
[37:19] Speaker 1: or we can bash your skull in.
[37:21] Speaker 2: And take a piece of your skull and show it
[37:22] Speaker 2: to everyone.
[37:23] Speaker 1: And carve satanic ritual symbols in your body. Right. You choose.
[37:27] Speaker 2: Krista spent the following decades on death row at the
[37:30] Speaker 2: Riverbend Maximum Security Institution in Nashville, pursuing multiple avenues of appeal.
[37:36] Speaker 2: Her conviction and death sentence were affirmed by the Tennessee
[37:38] Speaker 2: Supreme Court in 1998. She has filed numerous appeals over
[37:43] Speaker 2: the years, arguing ineffective assistance of counsel, constitutional issues with
[37:47] Speaker 2: her sentencing and the conditions of her confinement. In 2012,
[37:51] Speaker 2: Tennessee authorities uncovered and dismantled a plot to break Krista
[37:55] Speaker 2: out of the Tennessee prison for women, resulting in charges
[37:58] Speaker 2: against two men. Let me just talk about this for
[38:01] Speaker 2: a second. You know, when I was researching, I came
[38:04] Speaker 2: across an article written by a law journal that was basically,
[38:07] Speaker 2: you know, against the death penalty. And the article was
[38:11] Speaker 2: written advocating for her to not die by lethal injection,
[38:15] Speaker 2: not to be on death row, because she committed these
[38:17] Speaker 2: crimes when she was 18. And we all know that
[38:21] Speaker 2: now the medical science all states that the brain isn't
[38:24] Speaker 2: fully formed until age 24. So she shouldn't be held accountable.
[38:27] Speaker 2: And she had this terrible childhood. And so I read
[38:30] Speaker 2: the whole article. And obviously, they're not proponents of the
[38:34] Speaker 2: death penalty. I get it. I understand that position. However,
[38:38] Speaker 2: they left out key details about her. Well, they keep
[38:42] Speaker 2: talking about how this crime occurred when she was 18.
[38:45] Speaker 2: And so the brain doesn't form until she's 24, all
[38:48] Speaker 2: those type of things. They left out the part of
[38:50] Speaker 2: like when she was in prison, she tried to murder
[38:52] Speaker 2: another prisoner and tried to strangle her.
[38:55] Speaker 1: When she was over the age of 24?
[38:57] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, she was in prison.
[38:58] Speaker 1: So after her brain fully developed, she still tried to
[39:00] Speaker 1: kill people?
[39:01] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. They left that part out. But
[39:03] Speaker 2: I mean, she's violent. Like we're talking about an evil,
[39:05] Speaker 2: violent person. So you can't make the argument that she
[39:09] Speaker 2: did this crime when she was 18 and she doesn't
[39:10] Speaker 2: deserve the death penalty. While she's in prison, she tried
[39:13] Speaker 2: to murder another prisoner that she was jealous of because
[39:16] Speaker 2: they got in some fight over something. And then she
[39:19] Speaker 2: had some plot that she had worked out with two
[39:23] Speaker 2: correctional officers. She was also having sex with both correctional officers.
[39:27] Speaker 2: She got them fired. I'm just saying this woman is. like,
[39:31] Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like she committed this one crime
[39:33] Speaker 2: when she was 18 and we should feel badly for her.
[39:35] Speaker 2: I'm talking about the woman is consistently..
[39:38] Speaker 1: So she didn't get her AA or go to school
[39:41] Speaker 1: or anything in prison?
[39:41] Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. Don't make the argument and
[39:44] Speaker 2: then leave out key details about the second murder she
[39:48] Speaker 2: tried to commit and the two correctional officers that she
[39:51] Speaker 2: manipulated and was having sex with while she was in prison.
[39:53] Speaker 1: Well, wait a minute. Do we know that she manipulated them?
[39:55] Speaker 1: I mean, those correctional officers shouldn't be having sex with her.
[39:57] Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm not saying they're not.
[39:58] Speaker 1: Don't make it like they're inferior. No, they got fired.
[40:00] Speaker 2: They got fired. It was Justin Heflin, who was 23.
[40:04] Speaker 2: He was fired and was indicted on counts, including bribery,
[40:07] Speaker 2: official misconduct, and conspiracy to commit escape. And another guy,
[40:12] Speaker 2: Donald Kohut, who was 34, who had become acquainted with
[40:15] Speaker 2: Krista through prison visits and met Heflin there, the other guy,
[40:18] Speaker 2: and he was charged with bribery and conspiracy. In addition,
[40:22] Speaker 2: courts repeatedly denied her motions to vacate her death sentence
[40:25] Speaker 2: through all of the 2010s and into the 2020s. Her
[40:31] Speaker 2: execution date is set for September 30th, and which would
[40:35] Speaker 2: make her the first woman executed in Tennessee in over
[40:39] Speaker 2: 200 years. She's last minute. This is all this is
[40:44] Speaker 2: why her case has been back in the news because
[40:46] Speaker 2: she's been making her legal team has mounted a final
[40:49] Speaker 2: challenge to Tennessee's lethal injection protocol. She's had a couple
[40:53] Speaker 2: hearings on that challenge and they were held last week.
[40:56] Speaker 2: A Tennessee court denied a series of challenges brought by
[40:59] Speaker 2: Krista Pike and her legal team who had sought to
[41:02] Speaker 2: block or alter the state's execution process. Her attorneys are
[41:06] Speaker 2: arguing that her diagnosis of a blood condition would likely
[41:10] Speaker 2: cause her unnecessary... I love that. The argument is that
[41:13] Speaker 2: her blood condition, if she dies by lethal injection, it
[41:17] Speaker 2: will cause her unnecessary pain.
[41:19] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
[41:19] Speaker 2: It's in suffering.
[41:20] Speaker 1: Well, her soul will remain intact, so that's good.
[41:23] Speaker 2: Yeah. And which... would cause her unnecessary suffering. The court disagreed,
[41:29] Speaker 2: finding that her legal team had not adequately demonstrated that claim.
[41:34] Speaker 2: They also contend that she has documented PTSD and a
[41:37] Speaker 2: history of sexual assault. Well, we know that she had
[41:40] Speaker 2: a bad childhood and that would make the process of
[41:43] Speaker 2: transferring her to Riverbend maximum security prison traumatic and painful
[41:47] Speaker 2: in its own right. Listen, here's all I think. I
[41:50] Speaker 2: think her legal team is just trying to stall.
[41:51] Speaker 1: Well, clearly, they're doing what they should be doing, which
[41:53] Speaker 1: is trying every single..
[41:55] Speaker 2: Avenue, right? To stay this execution. There's a third argument
[41:59] Speaker 2: they made about her veins, which her attorneys describe as
[42:03] Speaker 2: small and compromised.
[42:05] Speaker 1: And then..
[42:07] Speaker 2: They keep asking for an alternative execution method. They even
[42:10] Speaker 2: propose using a central line or notably death by hanging.
[42:14] Speaker 2: The court found hanging to be neither feasible nor a
[42:17] Speaker 2: meaningful reduction in the risk of pain. I can't imagine
[42:20] Speaker 2: that hanging is any less like I would rather die by.
[42:23] Speaker 1: Lethal injection or the guillotine.
[42:26] Speaker 2: I don't like lethal injection. Don't they just put a
[42:29] Speaker 2: cocktail of drugs? Don't you?
[42:31] Speaker 1: Don't you just kind of, but you know what would
[42:33] Speaker 1: be the hard part about that? is they strap you down.
[42:36] Speaker 1: So you have this feeling.
[42:38] Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I can't imagine.
[42:39] Speaker 1: Like you cannot, you know, you have no control.
[42:43] Speaker 2: And people watch, people get to watch the execution. Like I,
[42:47] Speaker 2: that is just such a, I mean, It is such
[42:52] Speaker 2: a weird thing to think about, right? Like you're just
[42:53] Speaker 2: brought to like electric chair or lethal injection. They're put
[42:56] Speaker 2: into that chair and they're strapped down.
[42:58] Speaker 1: Because at least lethal injections, like, you know, they just
[43:00] Speaker 1: kind of go to sleep. Like that's what you see, right?
[43:02] Speaker 1: You don't see much activity.
[43:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, but the electric chair, that's... Or.
[43:06] Speaker 1: A firing range. A firing range? No, a firing range. No,
[43:09] Speaker 1: what's it called?
[43:10] Speaker 2: Firing squad.
[43:11] Speaker 1: Squad.
[43:11] Speaker 2: Firing squad.
[43:12] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That's in Utah.
[43:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, they still do that in Utah. That's crazy.
[43:17] Speaker 1: It's an option. In Utah, I think you have a choice.
[43:19] Speaker 2: You know what also I read? Because another one of
[43:20] Speaker 2: their arguments is that the medical person who's supposed to
[43:24] Speaker 2: be overseeing the lethal injection had been involved in another
[43:28] Speaker 2: lethal injection previously in Tennessee not too long ago. I
[43:31] Speaker 2: think it was this year. And he had bungled it. Like,
[43:34] Speaker 2: they tried to lethally inject someone.
[43:36] Speaker 1: He had one job to do and he messed it up.
[43:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, and it got messed up. It didn't work.
[43:40] Speaker 1: What does that guy do in between executions?
[43:42] Speaker 2: I don't know, but this is my question.
[43:43] Speaker 1: Like, is it just like, is he just like an
[43:45] Speaker 1: independent contractor? Or is he like on payroll every, you know?
[43:48] Speaker 2: I don't know. But then that was one of their
[43:50] Speaker 2: arguments was that he had publicly said he was part
[43:52] Speaker 2: of the medical team for the Krista Pike execution. So
[43:55] Speaker 2: then that was their argument was like, hey, this guy.
[43:58] Speaker 1: Is that qualified?
[43:58] Speaker 2: This guy bungled this other execution. Now he's on this team.
[44:03] Speaker 2: But then, you know, I read and this makes sense
[44:05] Speaker 2: that a lot of that they can't they have a
[44:07] Speaker 2: hard time. This makes sense to me. They have a
[44:09] Speaker 2: hard time getting competent. doctors to perform.
[44:14] Speaker 1: That that all that all took the Hippocratic oath yes.
[44:17] Speaker 2: To perform a lethal injection because you you take the
[44:21] Speaker 2: oath to do no harm right so to be involved in.
[44:24] Speaker 1: Something be a doctor I mean they're not there to
[44:27] Speaker 1: save them I don't know I.
[44:29] Speaker 2: Mean I yeah I mean they could have just they
[44:31] Speaker 2: could just find someone you don't.
[44:32] Speaker 1: Have doctors you know in the firing squad I don't
[44:36] Speaker 1: know Yeah, I.
[44:38] Speaker 2: Guess in the fifth and final issue that Krista Pike's
[44:41] Speaker 2: legal team is arguing is the right to have a
[44:43] Speaker 2: clergy member or spiritual advisor present in the execution chamber.
[44:48] Speaker 2: And it was resolved without a court ruling after both
[44:50] Speaker 2: sides reached an agreement on certain accommodations. I don't know
[44:54] Speaker 2: what those are, but you know what? Okay, fine. Let
[44:56] Speaker 2: her have a clergy member or a priest or whatever.
[45:00] Speaker 1: Sure.
[45:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean..
[45:02] Speaker 1: Because as a society, we should allow that too. Because
[45:05] Speaker 1: if as a whole, in general... there is accepted belief
[45:10] Speaker 1: that there's a higher being and this and that, then
[45:12] Speaker 1: you shouldn't, you know, we should kind of want to
[45:14] Speaker 1: facilitate that.
[45:15] Speaker 2: Okay. Because we were talking about Krista Pike being the
[45:18] Speaker 2: only woman in Tennessee on death row. I wanted to just.
[45:21] Speaker 1: Do a little, that's a, that's a high, like male
[45:23] Speaker 1: to female ratio on death row. She's got a lot
[45:26] Speaker 1: of choices there.
[45:27] Speaker 2: So I wanted to just talk a little bit about
[45:29] Speaker 2: the statistics of other women on death row. So as
[45:33] Speaker 2: of mid-2026, you want to guess how many women just
[45:37] Speaker 2: nationwide are on death row? Just give me a guess.
[45:39] Speaker 2: How many?
[45:40] Speaker 1: 12. 45. Oh, okay. 45 women. Out of how many
[45:44] Speaker 1: on death row? Okay.
[45:45] Speaker 2: So there's approximately, and obviously, depending on what's going on legally,
[45:51] Speaker 2: There's around 2,000 men on death row.
[45:54] Speaker 1: Oh, it's like a rotating door.
[45:56] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm sure there's appeals and process and anything.
[45:59] Speaker 2: But around approximately 2,000 men currently on death row. 45
[46:03] Speaker 2: women on death row across 16 states. So that figure
[46:07] Speaker 2: represents just 2% of the total death row population. It's
[46:12] Speaker 2: 45 out of 2,000.
[46:15] Speaker 1: Is that because women commit less capital crimes or are
[46:20] Speaker 1: they better at getting away with it?
[46:21] Speaker 2: Well..
[46:22] Speaker 1: Probably the former.
[46:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do that research. You figure that out.
[46:26] Speaker 1: All right.
[46:26] Speaker 2: Which state... I'm going to ask you a question. Which U.S.
[46:28] Speaker 2: state do you think holds the most women on death row?
[46:36] Speaker 1: Is there some logic to this?
[46:38] Speaker 2: I don't know. Just guess. Which state has the most
[46:40] Speaker 2: women on death row?
[46:40] Speaker 1: I don't know because I don't even know what states
[46:41] Speaker 1: do the death penalty other than California and Utah. Oh,
[46:45] Speaker 1: probably Texas because they have probably a lot of people
[46:47] Speaker 1: on death row. Oh, you're close.
[46:49] Speaker 2: Texas is second.
[46:50] Speaker 1: Florida?
[46:51] Speaker 2: No, it's California. Oh. So California holds... Right here in
[46:54] Speaker 2: our home state? Right here where we live. Yes. So
[46:57] Speaker 2: California holds the most..
[46:58] Speaker 1: Crazy women.
[47:00] Speaker 2: Women on death row.
[47:01] Speaker 1: Oh, I mean on death row. Yeah.
[47:02] Speaker 2: There's 13 women. Texas comes in second with six women.
[47:06] Speaker 2: Alabama with three. And then the remaining women are spread
[47:10] Speaker 2: across states like Arizona, Florida, Ohio. Of course, Ohio is
[47:13] Speaker 2: in there. Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. And the
[47:17] Speaker 2: average age of the time of arrest was around 29
[47:19] Speaker 2: years old, and the median education level was about 12th
[47:22] Speaker 2: grade completion.
[47:24] Speaker 1: Hmm.
[47:25] Speaker 2: I don't know. I found that interesting. I mean, I
[47:26] Speaker 2: never really thought about how many women are on death row.
[47:29] Speaker 2: So now we know. And our listeners know. There's 45
[47:32] Speaker 2: women on death row. They make up about 2% of
[47:35] Speaker 2: the death row population. And the biggest state that has
[47:38] Speaker 2: the most women on death row is California, followed by Texas.
[47:41] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[47:42] Speaker 2: Which makes sense because of the size.
[47:45] Speaker 1: So Krista Pike's part of a very elite club.
[47:48] Speaker 2: She's the most elite in Tennessee. One of 45.
[47:50] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[47:51] Speaker 2: Since 1973, three women have been exonerated after receiving death sentences.
[47:57] Speaker 1: Exonerated.
[47:59] Speaker 2: Exonerated.
[48:00] Speaker 1: See, death is irreversible. Exonerated. At least when they're in
[48:03] Speaker 1: there for 10, 20 years, you can still release them. Yeah.
[48:06] Speaker 1: All right.
[48:06] Speaker 2: So we will continue to follow the Krista Pike case
[48:09] Speaker 2: because I'm hoping that she is actually executed on September 30th.
[48:15] Speaker 2: Even though there's so many times we do episodes where
[48:16] Speaker 2: I talk about, I'm not a proponent of the death penalty,
[48:20] Speaker 2: but that's because we do so many wrongful conviction cases.
[48:24] Speaker 2: And I've been involved with the innocence project for so
[48:26] Speaker 2: long that a lot of times I'm not a proponent
[48:29] Speaker 2: of the death penalty, but then you, it's.
[48:31] Speaker 1: Like a little doubt here as to what happened.
[48:33] Speaker 2: And then you talk about a case like Krista Pike,
[48:35] Speaker 2: where it's like, there's, there's no reasonable doubt.
[48:37] Speaker 1: There's no like who done it. And the prisons aren't
[48:39] Speaker 1: safe with her in there either. Cause apparently she's escaping,
[48:42] Speaker 1: she's killing, she's having sex with everyone.
[48:44] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, she's just, she's just evil. Like some
[48:47] Speaker 2: people are just evil and they just don't deserve to
[48:49] Speaker 2: walk among us. And that's how I feel about Krista Pike. So,
[48:51] Speaker 2: all right. All right. Well, we will see what happens
[48:54] Speaker 2: on September 30th, which is coming up. Thank you guys
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