# Ring on a String (RHOC Recap)

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 18 Sep 2026, 50 min.

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Teddi and Dolores are calling Mike’s bluff, does he really have a ring for Vicky, and what we think she should do about it? Is Heather trying out for Real Housewives of Beverly Hills in this episode? Plus, did we miss out on TV gold with the two separate trips? What Dolores wishes we could have seen in La Quinta. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.
[0:14] Speaker 2: Hi, guys.
[0:14] Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod
[0:16] Speaker 3: with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and.
[0:18] Speaker 2: Dolores Catania.
[0:20] Speaker 3: Hi.
[0:20] Speaker 1: Hey, guys. I'm so happy that you're here. Thanks for
[0:25] Speaker 1: coming early.
[0:26] Speaker 2: You don't have to thank me. I'm so excited that
[0:28] Speaker 2: you're going to see the show. I know.
[0:31] Speaker 3: So I'm excited that I may, I feel up to
[0:33] Speaker 3: like staying at the horse show, going there and seeing.
[0:35] Speaker 1: Slate, but she's so funny. She's like, mom, where are
[0:38] Speaker 1: you going to stay?
[0:39] Speaker 3: Because I've already planned to stay with my friend Addy tonight.
[0:43] Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, okay. Thank you. Um, no worry.
[0:47] Speaker 3: I asked my friend Tracy, like I'll stay with her.
[0:50] Speaker 3: And then tomorrow night when you need me, I'll stay
[0:52] Speaker 3: with you.
[0:53] Speaker 1: Okay.
[0:54] Speaker 2: Like that's, That never ends. Now you just like sit
[0:57] Speaker 2: in the corner and wait for them to tell you
[0:59] Speaker 2: you could speak or talk like or engage.
[1:02] Speaker 3: Or show a picture of them. God forbid I show
[1:05] Speaker 3: a picture of Slate.
[1:07] Speaker 2: By the way, people have said to me, how come
[1:11] Speaker 2: you don't post your kids? Because they won't let me.
[1:15] Speaker 3: No, like the second I get my phone out, they're like,
[1:18] Speaker 3: you better not put this on Instagram.
[1:20] Speaker 2: They don't realize it's part of our job. I've heard
[1:24] Speaker 2: of paying for your horse. Hello.
[1:26] Speaker 3: I know.
[1:27] Speaker 1: I'm like, come on. She'll let me post horse videos,
[1:30] Speaker 1: but that's it.
[1:31] Speaker 3: But, but that, cause it's behooves her because then I
[1:33] Speaker 3: tag her and then sponsors want to sponsor her. And
[1:37] Speaker 3: so now she's her own little mini micro influencer.
[1:40] Speaker 2: I love that. Oh, good for her. Yeah. Okay.
[1:44] Speaker 3: So this, I want to get into with you because
[1:46] Speaker 3: I'm curious if this is an age demographic thing, or
[1:49] Speaker 3: this is.
[1:50] Speaker 1: Like truly I'm just that far out of the loop.
[1:53] Speaker 3: But last night Valley and I were talking about like
[1:57] Speaker 3: the stages of, you know, when you meet somebody and
[2:01] Speaker 3: how it goes.
[2:02] Speaker 1: And he, so he said, this is the stages.
[2:05] Speaker 2: I'd love to hear this.
[2:07] Speaker 1: I was, I was dying because I was like, because
[2:10] Speaker 1: I go Valley guy.
[2:11] Speaker 3: I was like Valley guy. I just tell people I'm
[2:13] Speaker 3: dating you. And he's like, you say dating. And I'm like,
[2:16] Speaker 3: what do you say? So that's how it, it all
[2:20] Speaker 3: went down. He goes, okay, this is how they go.
[2:23] Speaker 2: Okay. The catalyst to this conversation. Yes.
[2:27] Speaker 3: That's the catalyst to the conversation. Cause I'm like, dating
[2:30] Speaker 3: to me just sounds like it's not boyfriend. It's just dating.
[2:34] Speaker 1: It's that. Cause that's exactly what we're doing. And he's like, actually, no.
[2:39] Speaker 1: So here he goes, this is this.
[2:41] Speaker 3: Chain of events alone and doomed recently, single, single dating around,
[2:48] Speaker 3: hooking up, situationship, polyamorous, talking, slash going on dates with
[2:55] Speaker 3: one person that you like, dating, slash boyfriend, girlfriend, engaged, married, divorced, dead.
[3:03] Speaker 2: That's a circle of life.
[3:05] Speaker 1: So I go, so what am I? And he goes, talking,
[3:09] Speaker 1: going on dates with one person. I'm like, that's dating.
[3:12] Speaker 2: Oh, well, listen, going on dates with one person. So
[3:16] Speaker 2: is Valley Young dates with one person.
[3:19] Speaker 1: Too no we're the one person oh okay.
[3:23] Speaker 2: That's what I mean like so.
[3:24] Speaker 1: Yeah like so we're the one person and I you
[3:27] Speaker 1: call that that's why don't you just call it dating
[3:31] Speaker 1: I see I put dating.
[3:33] Speaker 2: That's my boy like if it's one person then do
[3:36] Speaker 2: you say boyfriend.
[3:37] Speaker 3: No boyfriends like that's two I have two more levels
[3:40] Speaker 3: to even get to that.
[3:42] Speaker 1: Oh it's I'm talking to.
[3:44] Speaker 2: It's like belt colors in karate. I was dying.
[3:50] Speaker 3: I was like, and the fact that polyamorous was on
[3:53] Speaker 3: his list and I had to Google what that meant.
[3:57] Speaker 2: Remember from Rhode Island, Kelsey was polyamorous because.
[4:01] Speaker 1: She was having sex with more than one person at
[4:03] Speaker 1: one at the.
[4:04] Speaker 2: Time because he had other girlfriends. Yeah.
[4:08] Speaker 1: So you can agree upon that.
[4:10] Speaker 3: But I, I also, I'm really having a hard time
[4:12] Speaker 3: between like, talking, going on dates with one person and dating.
[4:18] Speaker 3: I think that I don't think boyfriend girlfriend should be
[4:21] Speaker 3: with the dating. I think dating should be above it.
[4:24] Speaker 3: And then boyfriend girlfriend is one step below.
[4:28] Speaker 2: No, what? Girlfriend, boyfriend's a, you mean below like, or below,
[4:34] Speaker 2: like it should be higher.
[4:35] Speaker 1: No, like dating is more casual than boyfriend, girlfriend, correct?
[4:40] Speaker 2: Yes.
[4:41] Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say, but he's like, no,
[4:42] Speaker 1: dating is.
[4:43] Speaker 3: The same as boyfriend, girlfriend. You say talking when you're
[4:47] Speaker 3: not boyfriend, girlfriend.
[4:48] Speaker 2: Well, if I was with someone who I called my
[4:52] Speaker 2: boyfriend and he said, I'm dating Dolores, I would fucking-
[4:58] Speaker 2: lose my shit because just dating means that's a person
[5:03] Speaker 2: you call to just go on a date or go
[5:05] Speaker 2: out with that's not the text in the morning good
[5:07] Speaker 2: morning to me dating is okay i have nobody to
[5:11] Speaker 2: bring to this wedding i'll call the person i go
[5:15] Speaker 2: on dates with so see you're.
[5:18] Speaker 3: Even making it more serious than i am so like
[5:21] Speaker 3: i just consider dating as i'm dating one person i
[5:23] Speaker 3: wouldn't go on a date with somebody else i like
[5:26] Speaker 3: him we're getting to know each other having fun we're
[5:28] Speaker 3: dating He considers that talking to and he considers dating boyfriend, girlfriend,
[5:34] Speaker 3: which I do not.
[5:35] Speaker 2: You know what I think I'm going to have to say?
[5:38] Speaker 2: It's relative to the person. I don't think anything just fits.
[5:44] Speaker 2: These things just fit like what it's how you perceive it.
[5:48] Speaker 3: It's just hilarious because I think it's an age difference
[5:51] Speaker 3: thing because I asked a bunch of my friends last
[5:53] Speaker 3: night and all of them were like, no. Talking and
[5:57] Speaker 3: going on dates with one person makes zero sense as
[6:01] Speaker 3: that being like above.
[6:03] Speaker 1: And then it goes to dating and boyfriend, girlfriend. Like
[6:05] Speaker 1: it's not one than the other. Quick, quick, quick.
[6:08] Speaker 2: I'm going to ask my nephews and nieces. Because when
[6:11] Speaker 2: they say, oh, they're talking. Well, in my mind, I
[6:14] Speaker 2: just picture two people making out and not really giving
[6:17] Speaker 2: a shit about each other.
[6:18] Speaker 3: Well, that's what I figure talking is. Well, also, I
[6:21] Speaker 3: feel like it's a lie. Like we're not just talking.
[6:27] Speaker 3: like my tism yeah like my tism doesn't handle that
[6:31] Speaker 3: I'm like oh.
[6:32] Speaker 2: So we speak only take out the tism that does
[6:38] Speaker 2: don't get us in trouble okay let's call you your
[6:41] Speaker 2: type A what was that thing you go to the doctors.
[6:44] Speaker 1: For OCD and being a perfectionist.
[6:47] Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah so your perfectionism doesn't It's not, that's
[6:53] Speaker 2: not okay. No, because it has to be specific with you. Yeah.
[6:56] Speaker 1: Cause it's, I'm very specific. I'm very clear. Like what
[7:00] Speaker 1: the word means, it means something to me.
[7:03] Speaker 3: Like, so if I were to talk to my dad
[7:06] Speaker 3: and he were like, are you still hanging out? Are
[7:09] Speaker 3: you still going on dates with that guy? And I
[7:12] Speaker 3: were to say to him, uh, yeah, we're talking. He'd
[7:17] Speaker 3: be like, what do you mean you're talking? Have you
[7:19] Speaker 3: never hooked up?
[7:20] Speaker 1: And I'd be like, well, that's not what I said.
[7:22] Speaker 2: But talking means talking.
[7:26] Speaker 1: That's what I said. OK, great.
[7:28] Speaker 3: I'm glad we're on the same page because he thinks
[7:30] Speaker 3: that's a 35 and over thing.
[7:33] Speaker 2: No, I mean, you know what it is, Teddy, I'm
[7:35] Speaker 2: going to tell you just I think that you hang
[7:39] Speaker 2: on to like the word has to mean what you're saying,
[7:42] Speaker 2: like you'd probably get along with Paul because I hate
[7:44] Speaker 2: that I have to explain when I mumble or when
[7:47] Speaker 2: I just throw a word out there. Like, don't make
[7:49] Speaker 2: me do that. Don't be so specific.
[7:52] Speaker 1: I'm specific. Like if you say a word, it's very
[7:54] Speaker 1: literal to the word you're saying.
[7:56] Speaker 2: Yes. But you know, I think that follows through with you.
[8:00] Speaker 2: When you say you're someone's friend, you're their friend. Things
[8:03] Speaker 2: mean stuff to you. I used to be like that too.
[8:07] Speaker 1: But like also if I were just talking, like I'm
[8:09] Speaker 1: talking to you right now. Like that's how literal I am.
[8:12] Speaker 2: I hate the word talking when you refer to it
[8:14] Speaker 2: in a relationship.
[8:16] Speaker 1: Like I am talking to you right now. So how
[8:19] Speaker 1: in the world could.
[8:21] Speaker 3: I be talking to somebody else that I'm going on
[8:23] Speaker 3: dates with and having physical interaction?
[8:26] Speaker 2: I think through generations, different words mean different things. And
[8:31] Speaker 2: I can think of some if I had a memory,
[8:33] Speaker 2: but there are words that have changed over generations for
[8:38] Speaker 2: different meanings.
[8:41] Speaker 1: I also love that he writes, Dating, boyfriend, girlfriend, engaged, married, divorced, dead.
[8:46] Speaker 2: He's cute.
[8:51] Speaker 1: But anyways, I was like, I'll ask Dolores. And he's like,
[8:54] Speaker 1: she's in your age demographic. She's going to agree with you.
[8:57] Speaker 1: Shut up, Valley. Shut up, Valley guy.
[9:01] Speaker 2: Doesn't mean I don't know. But I agree with Teddy.
[9:04] Speaker 2: So maybe you're right. Yeah.
[9:06] Speaker 1: So that's one thing. But speaking of alone and doomed.
[9:09] Speaker 2: That's a generational thing. So to the point of how
[9:12] Speaker 2: this all started, yes, it's a generational thing.
[9:15] Speaker 3: It's a generational thing. And I'm 45 years old. I
[9:17] Speaker 3: don't talk like that. Like, it's just not, I'm not
[9:22] Speaker 3: going to, like, also he didn't even put in there
[9:26] Speaker 3: in a relationship. Like to me, that is one of
[9:29] Speaker 3: the things, like a boyfriend, girlfriend, like that is a thing.
[9:33] Speaker 2: I would, I would be very satisfied if a guy
[9:35] Speaker 2: that I liked who I was talking to said that
[9:39] Speaker 2: we were in a relationship. It wouldn't mean a lot
[9:41] Speaker 2: to me.
[9:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't need that right now, but
[9:44] Speaker 3: I need him to at least be clear on his phrasing.
[9:59] Speaker 1: But you know who's not talking anymore?
[10:01] Speaker 2: Who? Danny. I saw that.
[10:06] Speaker 1: Danny!
[10:07] Speaker 2: Did you predict that was going to happen?
[10:10] Speaker 1: We totally knew that was going to happen. Danny and
[10:14] Speaker 1: Carmella broke up.
[10:18] Speaker 2: So... Danny and Carmella... So here's the thing. She keeps saying...
[10:25] Speaker 2: that I saw her with um page six right yeah
[10:29] Speaker 2: Danny and Evan were talking to her and she keeps
[10:33] Speaker 2: saying that um she just couldn't trust him and then
[10:39] Speaker 2: she found him that there were he was still not
[10:42] Speaker 2: being truthful about certain things so can I just say
[10:45] Speaker 2: this yes I think she was just.
[10:48] Speaker 3: Over him you could kind of tell she was over
[10:51] Speaker 3: him in the episode so we'll get into that later
[10:53] Speaker 3: but the fact that they've announced this before this episode,
[10:56] Speaker 3: I think it makes sense.
[10:58] Speaker 1: Like this little press, like, you know, we're done.
[11:01] Speaker 2: Yeah. So I, I just think that, yeah, I don't know.
[11:08] Speaker 2: She's like, I loved him dearly and all this stuff.
[11:10] Speaker 2: We'll get to that because there was something that I
[11:14] Speaker 2: kind of had hit a nerve with me when she
[11:16] Speaker 2: was speaking to him at the dinner. Yeah. I felt like,
[11:22] Speaker 2: I think that, She just wants to get out now.
[11:25] Speaker 2: But anyway, we'll get to that.
[11:26] Speaker 1: We'll get to that. So it starts out in La Quinta.
[11:30] Speaker 1: Vicky tells Jen and Emily she meant for the crew
[11:32] Speaker 1: to leave, not them. What are your thoughts on this?
[11:35] Speaker 1: I know, like, you're.
[11:35] Speaker 3: Very different about your beliefs on this. So I don't
[11:38] Speaker 3: want to piss you off. So you go first.
[11:41] Speaker 2: What do you mean I'm different?
[11:44] Speaker 1: No, you thought the girls were pushing out of the
[11:46] Speaker 1: whole time. I do.
[11:48] Speaker 2: And here's why. Okay. She's been out of this for
[11:52] Speaker 2: a long time. I'm not going to like, really, I don't,
[11:55] Speaker 2: I don't, I'm not taking a side because I probably
[11:58] Speaker 2: wouldn't hang around with her and I wouldn't be going
[12:00] Speaker 2: to her house. I don't go to people's houses that
[12:01] Speaker 2: I like who are actually very hospitable. And I don't
[12:06] Speaker 2: like people telling me what to do. However, they know
[12:11] Speaker 2: what she is. She's been out of this for quite
[12:13] Speaker 2: some time. It's very hard to all the stuff that
[12:15] Speaker 2: you got back into to pull your life away from
[12:20] Speaker 2: the work and the routine that you built up to
[12:22] Speaker 2: just stop out of nowhere. So she's still in that
[12:26] Speaker 2: mode and they know this about her. So why do
[12:31] Speaker 2: they not just accept that? And I mean, honestly, she's
[12:34] Speaker 2: not there for conversation, Vicki.
[12:37] Speaker 1: But that's what people are there. That's what the show is.
[12:41] Speaker 3: It's about conversation and dialogue and talking to.
[12:47] Speaker 2: And also the sacrificial lamb. that you bring on so
[12:51] Speaker 2: you can kind of say, all right, there's the mess.
[12:54] Speaker 2: That'll probably be the drama this year.
[12:56] Speaker 3: Well, this is what I, so, you know, they're hustling
[12:59] Speaker 3: around in their room, in their pajamas, putting sweaters over
[13:02] Speaker 3: their matching jammies to get ready to go to Uber home.
[13:06] Speaker 3: And then they walk into the kitchen and all of
[13:09] Speaker 3: a sudden all the food's made.
[13:10] Speaker 1: I'm like, who did, who made this food? When and where?
[13:14] Speaker 2: It's very, it wasn't, you know, there was no continuity
[13:17] Speaker 2: there unless Shannon did. She's out there by herself.
[13:20] Speaker 1: Shannon's out there doing the Lord's work.
[13:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So Shannon's just like, well, fuck it. You know,
[13:27] Speaker 2: Mike's in the room with Vicky. And the other two
[13:30] Speaker 2: are rustling through their stuff to try to see what
[13:33] Speaker 2: cute sweater to throw over their cute pajamas. And they're
[13:37] Speaker 2: all offended. Meanwhile, they poke the bear the whole time.
[13:40] Speaker 2: Even though she's rude. Vicky's rude. She's rude to them.
[13:43] Speaker 1: I would poke the bear.
[13:44] Speaker 3: If somebody was rude to me like that, I would
[13:46] Speaker 3: either get in a fight with them and I'd be like,
[13:48] Speaker 3: go fuck yourself.
[13:50] Speaker 2: Right. Kindly.
[13:51] Speaker 1: With a cheese grater, as Ariana would say. Or just I.
[13:58] Speaker 3: Would poke right back and hope that they exploded because
[14:00] Speaker 3: like there's no reason for somebody to be that rude
[14:03] Speaker 3: to somebody.
[14:04] Speaker 1: Stop talking. Could you imagine?
[14:07] Speaker 2: Stop talking. Shush.
[14:08] Speaker 1: Dolores, be quiet.
[14:10] Speaker 2: And I would laugh in her face because it's Vicky.
[14:12] Speaker 2: It's not like the normal person telling you to shut up.
[14:15] Speaker 2: Like you shush me. You're normal. Well, you're my friend.
[14:19] Speaker 2: So I would let you get away with it. But
[14:21] Speaker 2: like other people like shush that you expect to beat,
[14:24] Speaker 2: not treat everyone like that. That's Vicky's shtick.
[14:28] Speaker 3: But I don't think it's a shtick. I think it's like,
[14:31] Speaker 3: it's truly where she is right now. But I mean,
[14:33] Speaker 3: I know we could go around and around in circles,
[14:35] Speaker 3: but they, the girls are wanting to leave and, You
[14:39] Speaker 3: can tell Shannon is pretty. Yeah.
[14:41] Speaker 1: Well, Shannon's pretty distraught about the whole thing. Shannon's trying to,
[14:44] Speaker 1: you know, be on both sides right now.
[14:46] Speaker 2: Very nice. This episode.
[14:47] Speaker 1: Shannon was very nice.
[14:51] Speaker 3: But then the girls decide they're they come out again
[14:55] Speaker 3: and they're like, actually, we're not even going to eat.
[14:57] Speaker 1: We're just going to Uber home.
[14:59] Speaker 2: And anyway, what's the date for the pizza? I would
[15:03] Speaker 2: have been like, I don't fucking like you anyway. I'm
[15:05] Speaker 2: not going to like you any less if I don't
[15:07] Speaker 2: eat my pizza. I'm going to finish my pizza.
[15:11] Speaker 1: Know what I was upset about?
[15:13] Speaker 2: What?
[15:14] Speaker 1: That there was no car cams in that Uber.
[15:18] Speaker 2: There wasn't.
[15:19] Speaker 3: Because you know that or like, let's get the Uber
[15:22] Speaker 3: driver on the pod because we know he's got shit
[15:25] Speaker 3: to tell us about whatever they said on.
[15:26] Speaker 1: That way home.
[15:29] Speaker 2: Listen to me. I can only imagine. They were probably
[15:32] Speaker 2: so happy to go back home. They didn't care. They
[15:35] Speaker 2: didn't want to stay there. The energy sucks.
[15:38] Speaker 3: The energy, but that's my point. The energy sucks. Mike
[15:41] Speaker 3: comes in, he makes it uncomfortable. He's still there. Um,
[15:45] Speaker 3: Vicki pours herself like a Magnum glass of red wine.
[15:48] Speaker 3: And then I looked around and I'm like, not even
[15:50] Speaker 3: Shannon's drinking right now.
[15:52] Speaker 1: Like what's happening? Like, this is, this is all a lot.
[15:57] Speaker 3: Um, But so that's this chaos is happening over in
[16:01] Speaker 3: La Quinta. But then over in Los Olivos, we've got
[16:05] Speaker 3: Carmela telling Heather, Gina and Tamara that she doesn't think
[16:08] Speaker 3: Mike even has a ring.
[16:10] Speaker 1: So at this point, this is what I think. These
[16:12] Speaker 1: are girls prodding each other to make jokes.
[16:28] Speaker 3: So once they're in Los Olivos, Carmela, they're all kind
[16:31] Speaker 3: of just sitting by the fire pit. But you can
[16:33] Speaker 3: tell these girls are having a nice time together. This
[16:35] Speaker 3: is what I watch the show for. And then the
[16:38] Speaker 3: little jokes and the digs and whatever that they're saying
[16:42] Speaker 3: is making me laugh. Like Gina even being like, right?
[16:48] Speaker 1: Right, Carmela? Isn't that what you'd say about Vicky? Like
[16:51] Speaker 1: all of it made me laugh. Carmela has had some beverages.
[16:56] Speaker 1: So she's like you with beverages.
[16:59] Speaker 3: I love I love, you know, someone that's just like Lucy,
[17:02] Speaker 3: like not and not ticking around with any kind of mixer.
[17:06] Speaker 1: Just I'll just have some vodka water.
[17:08] Speaker 3: But at this moment, Carmela tells the groups, I don't
[17:14] Speaker 3: even think that Mike has a ring.
[17:17] Speaker 1: And everyone's like, do you think that he has a ring?
[17:21] Speaker 2: No, no. At what point? At this age, do you
[17:26] Speaker 2: go buy a ring and then just not give it?
[17:27] Speaker 2: Get the hell out of here. For what? He's punishing her?
[17:31] Speaker 2: I don't think he's nice to her. And I think
[17:33] Speaker 2: that's a big part of why she's so down and out. Sorry.
[17:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
[17:38] Speaker 3: And also, I think dangling a ring in front of
[17:40] Speaker 3: somebody is very bizarre.
[17:43] Speaker 2: People do that. I've had it done to me a
[17:47] Speaker 2: lot of times, but I'm too wise to it. So
[17:49] Speaker 2: you can't do it to me.
[17:50] Speaker 1: Well, this is also like weird personal story.
[17:53] Speaker 3: But when I was dating Edwin and we had been
[17:56] Speaker 3: together a couple of years and he was like it
[18:00] Speaker 3: was the day before Christmas and he came in and
[18:02] Speaker 3: he was like, hey, I just wanted to give you
[18:05] Speaker 3: a heads up.
[18:06] Speaker 1: And I'm like, what?
[18:06] Speaker 3: And he's like, you know, I just don't think that
[18:11] Speaker 3: I believe in marriage and I can get married. I
[18:14] Speaker 3: just want you to know. And I'm like, OK, I'm
[18:17] Speaker 3: going to go into the other room. I'm not going
[18:20] Speaker 3: to give you any like ultimatums at this point, but
[18:22] Speaker 3: I'm going to go into the other room and I
[18:24] Speaker 3: do not want you to follow me. I'm going to
[18:26] Speaker 3: drink wine. I'm going to call my friends. I'm going
[18:27] Speaker 3: to cry. I'm going to go through all this. And
[18:32] Speaker 3: I'm not going to ruin the Christmas with Bella and
[18:35] Speaker 3: your family. So like, I'll show up tomorrow, but like,
[18:37] Speaker 3: that's where we're, that's, that's the end of this. You know,
[18:41] Speaker 3: like I'm not, I'm not going to just have a
[18:43] Speaker 3: kid with you and not be married. I don't believe
[18:45] Speaker 3: in that. And yeah, Then the next day he's like
[18:49] Speaker 3: calling me all over the place. I made myself very scarce.
[18:52] Speaker 3: Like I was like, nope, nope.
[18:54] Speaker 1: Can't find me. Not going to be able to find
[18:55] Speaker 1: me anywhere.
[18:57] Speaker 3: Yeah. I'll be there at five o'clock. And so I
[19:00] Speaker 3: texted him back. I'm like, I'll be there at five.
[19:01] Speaker 3: When you said that your parents are getting to the
[19:03] Speaker 3: house that night, he proposed.
[19:08] Speaker 2: Right. And you know, sometimes you have to do that. Yeah.
[19:12] Speaker 3: But like, Why do we really think he wasn't going
[19:15] Speaker 3: to like he zipped over on Christmas Eve and got
[19:18] Speaker 3: my ring?
[19:19] Speaker 1: Like, it's so weird.
[19:22] Speaker 2: Well, you could buy a ring any time. So you
[19:25] Speaker 2: think he had a ring when he said that to you?
[19:27] Speaker 1: No, I don't think he had the ring.
[19:29] Speaker 3: I think somehow he got Neil Lane to open its
[19:32] Speaker 3: doors to get the ring because he was like, shit,
[19:35] Speaker 3: she's not having this.
[19:37] Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, he gave it a try. He gave it
[19:42] Speaker 2: to the wrong person. I would have been like, yeah,
[19:47] Speaker 2: but I never asked you for that. So. uh, yeah.
[19:51] Speaker 2: Don't flatter yourself that you have to have this conversation
[19:53] Speaker 2: with me. Bitch. Like I get so like, Ooh, that I,
[19:59] Speaker 2: I suppress everything. I shut down and I walk away
[20:03] Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, whatever. Don't care. But you were right.
[20:07] Speaker 2: What you did was 100% right. The minute that Vicky,
[20:11] Speaker 2: that this guy said, I have a ring for you,
[20:14] Speaker 2: but I'm not giving it to you because you haven't
[20:17] Speaker 2: not pissed me off in long enough time.
[20:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[20:22] Speaker 2: Is the minute that Vicky should have walked away.
[20:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where it's like, don't play games with me.
[20:28] Speaker 3: I don't have time for this shit. And I got
[20:29] Speaker 3: to tell you, if Edward had waited a couple weeks
[20:32] Speaker 3: in between proposing in that conversation, I would have been gone.
[20:36] Speaker 2: Right. And he knew that. Edwin knew that.
[20:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[20:41] Speaker 3: But it's just like, I mean, I know that things
[20:44] Speaker 3: are different, but also like, come on, dude, don't tell her.
[20:49] Speaker 1: You have a ring.
[20:50] Speaker 3: Did she pick out the ring? Has she seen the ring? Like,
[20:53] Speaker 3: does the ring just sit there on like the countertop
[20:56] Speaker 3: as like being dangled on a little string?
[20:58] Speaker 1: Like what's happening?
[21:00] Speaker 2: I just feel bad. I like there's a part of
[21:02] Speaker 2: me that feels bad for Vicky. I do.
[21:07] Speaker 1: Well, later I start to feel bad.
[21:10] Speaker 3: But Carmela, as she's like saying all this and she's
[21:13] Speaker 3: kind of being a little snarky and has a little
[21:16] Speaker 3: bit of liquid courage.
[21:17] Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the way you need to be
[21:19] Speaker 1: in front of Vicky.
[21:21] Speaker 2: Right.
[21:22] Speaker 1: Not behind her back.
[21:23] Speaker 2: Listen, I think that we will see more of Carmela.
[21:26] Speaker 2: I think Carmela is a good housewife. I think that
[21:30] Speaker 2: we're just getting started. I like the fact that we
[21:34] Speaker 2: haven't seen all of her yet. Yeah. And I like
[21:38] Speaker 2: the fact to know that we could get her drunk
[21:40] Speaker 2: and she can absolutely.
[21:43] Speaker 1: Say something she never said. Yeah. And then the next
[21:47] Speaker 1: morning wake up and be like, did I really say that?
[21:50] Speaker 2: You can't put the toothpaste back. And there's no other
[21:58] Speaker 2: universe more true than this one. Yeah.
[22:03] Speaker 3: So, I mean, but I did enjoy seeing the Las
[22:05] Speaker 3: Olivas girls having fun and, like, laughing.
[22:09] Speaker 1: Meanwhile, we know all hell is breaking loose in the desert. Oh, yeah.
[22:14] Speaker 1: The next morning, Shannon tries to explain that Vicky and Jen....
[22:20] Speaker 3: Shannon tries to explain to Vicky that Jen and Emily
[22:22] Speaker 3: were upset. Vicky said they should have moved on, as
[22:25] Speaker 3: she did with the Debbie Downer comment.
[22:29] Speaker 2: Well, they flash back to her not moving on. I
[22:31] Speaker 2: don't think that Vicky's... Very self-aware.
[22:36] Speaker 1: Well, of course she isn't. But still, you're on a show. Like,
[22:40] Speaker 1: you've got to.
[22:43] Speaker 2: But she's just back after... What was her hiatus from this?
[22:48] Speaker 1: I think it was like... Was it six years? Five years?
[22:51] Speaker 2: A long time.
[22:52] Speaker 1: Six years.
[22:54] Speaker 2: That's a long time.
[22:55] Speaker 3: But she came on as a friend of multiple times.
[22:59] Speaker 3: And she did this while she was a friend of
[23:02] Speaker 3: as well.
[23:03] Speaker 2: Right.
[23:04] Speaker 1: Like I'm working. Fair enough.
[23:05] Speaker 2: I didn't know that piece of information.
[23:07] Speaker 1: Yeah. So 2019 was her last time as a housewife.
[23:13] Speaker 2: So it's a long time.
[23:15] Speaker 1: It's a long time.
[23:17] Speaker 3: But then when Vicki's like, well, I went through the
[23:20] Speaker 3: math and those girls owe me money.
[23:23] Speaker 1: She's like the pool. Hold on. I think I took
[23:28] Speaker 1: a screenshot. It doesn't matter.
[23:30] Speaker 2: She I did the math, too, and she owes them
[23:32] Speaker 2: 100 bucks. Because the Uber home, because of the way
[23:37] Speaker 2: she was acting, cost them $ 100 more than she says
[23:41] Speaker 2: they owe them. She said they owe.
[23:43] Speaker 3: Her $ 250 each.
[23:43] Speaker 2: That becomes $ 500. Their Uber home was $ 600. I thought
[23:45] Speaker 2: the Uber home was $ 490. Okay. All right.
[23:47] Speaker 3: So then.
[23:47] Speaker 2: But I love that this is what she's counting as
[23:49] Speaker 2: this expensive... I don't know. I'm trying to act like
[24:02] Speaker 2: I do math. I don't even know.
[24:04] Speaker 3: Gas, pizzas, appetizers, heating the pool, quiches, and gift bags.
[24:09] Speaker 1: As if those gift bags weren't free. Please.
[24:13] Speaker 2: It doesn't. Yeah, but listen. I just like it's a
[24:19] Speaker 2: mess over there.
[24:21] Speaker 1: But if you invite somebody over.
[24:23] Speaker 2: There's a lot going on.
[24:25] Speaker 3: There's a lot going on. But I was definitely kind
[24:27] Speaker 3: of laughing. What would we have done if Vicky, if
[24:30] Speaker 3: Shannon would have when she was being Vicky's assistant, just
[24:33] Speaker 3: done a Venmo request to all the girls for 250 bucks.
[24:38] Speaker 2: Wait, that was Shannon's time to say, well, I get
[24:43] Speaker 2: $ 35 an hour as an assistant. So it's four hours
[24:47] Speaker 2: to get home. So you owe me $ 140.
[24:49] Speaker 3: And Shannon's like too scared to even be like, so
[24:52] Speaker 3: when are we leaving?
[24:53] Speaker 1: Because I've got a doctor's appointment.
[24:56] Speaker 2: Shannon, like, Seems like this. And I know Shannon's a
[25:00] Speaker 2: lot of different Shannons. This is like the little like
[25:05] Speaker 2: sweet Shannon kind of trying to help her friend and trying,
[25:11] Speaker 2: you know, that right now her friend's not defendable and
[25:13] Speaker 2: she's kind of trying to.
[25:15] Speaker 3: But her friend isn't even being nice to her at
[25:17] Speaker 3: this moment. No, it's not like Vicky's like, thank you, Shannon.
[25:22] Speaker 3: She's like, oh, well, you have their back.
[25:24] Speaker 1: So she ever nice.
[25:27] Speaker 3: Well, I think she's nice later in the episode when
[25:31] Speaker 3: she's with the Vicki Gunvalson whisperer, Tamara.
[25:40] Speaker 1: I was like, excuse me.
[25:41] Speaker 3: But before we get to that, we're back in OC
[25:48] Speaker 3: because the girls left early and Emily and Shane bicker
[25:53] Speaker 3: about Luke's treatment and the chores and Shane wants the
[25:55] Speaker 3: kids to to feel appreciated for all he does around
[25:58] Speaker 3: the house with the kids.
[26:00] Speaker 1: I mean, this is what's bound to happen.
[26:04] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
[26:05] Speaker 1: None of this surprises me. But honestly, if somebody.
[26:08] Speaker 3: Didn't take the trash out and then got mad at
[26:12] Speaker 3: me because I didn't put the new.
[26:13] Speaker 1: Trash bag in, I'd be pissed.
[26:17] Speaker 2: Is that what it is, though?
[26:19] Speaker 3: No, I think it's just he's always trying to make
[26:23] Speaker 3: her feel like he's doing the most.
[26:27] Speaker 2: He is.
[26:29] Speaker 1: Right. But she's working.
[26:33] Speaker 2: Right. So here's the thing. I think he's looking for
[26:39] Speaker 2: her to sit. Words mean a lot to me, right?
[26:44] Speaker 2: A little kindness goes a long way for me. And
[26:47] Speaker 2: I think he's looking for her to say, you're amazing.
[26:51] Speaker 2: Thank you so much. a little affection, things like that. Yeah,
[26:58] Speaker 2: I heard a couple episodes ago they had sex. She
[27:02] Speaker 2: bangs him now because when you like yourself, you want
[27:05] Speaker 2: to have sex, right? Yeah. More than ever. So it's
[27:07] Speaker 2: not even about him. She just likes the way she
[27:09] Speaker 2: looks probably. But at the same time, I mean, I'm
[27:14] Speaker 2: being honest, you know.
[27:15] Speaker 1: That's so good.
[27:18] Speaker 2: But she's just not saying to him, like he's like
[27:21] Speaker 2: doing all this And he she just he just wants
[27:25] Speaker 2: her to say, thank you. Thank you. You're great. You're great.
[27:30] Speaker 2: Look at you. I have the best husband. You know,
[27:33] Speaker 2: sometimes people want to hear that. And she has a
[27:35] Speaker 2: hard time.
[27:36] Speaker 1: Well, I think she takes it as a diss to
[27:39] Speaker 1: her as a mother. There's which I don't.
[27:42] Speaker 2: Right.
[27:43] Speaker 3: I don't think I don't I don't think that Emily
[27:46] Speaker 3: is a bad mother in any way.
[27:47] Speaker 1: I don't think he's saying she's a bad mother. But
[27:49] Speaker 1: I think they're just not seeing eye to eye on this.
[27:52] Speaker 2: That's the way she's feeling it.
[27:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way she's taking it. So that's why
[27:56] Speaker 3: she's jumping down his throat each time this happens.
[27:59] Speaker 2: What I see here is what's hard for him is
[28:02] Speaker 2: for him to say what he wants to hear her say.
[28:05] Speaker 2: Because once you have to do that, it's already too late.
[28:08] Speaker 2: If you have to say to somebody and look at
[28:10] Speaker 2: them and say, can you tell me I'm pretty, please?
[28:13] Speaker 2: Can you tell me I'm the greatest thing that ever
[28:15] Speaker 2: happened to you? Can you just give me something? Cause
[28:17] Speaker 2: I need it. He seemed kind of down and out there.
[28:20] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[28:22] Speaker 2: Like I thought, Oh, am I always liking the people
[28:24] Speaker 2: that no one else likes? I don't understand it.
[28:26] Speaker 3: Well, then what, where he lost me is once he
[28:28] Speaker 3: got on the phone and he started laughing while she
[28:31] Speaker 3: was still talking, I was like kind of a dick move.
[28:33] Speaker 1: You don't really need to do that.
[28:34] Speaker 3: Right.
[28:35] Speaker 2: Then he became a dick because you get defensive. They're, they're,
[28:39] Speaker 2: they're not communicating.
[28:40] Speaker 1: Well, they're not communicating.
[28:42] Speaker 3: Well, But then we move on from that. We go
[28:46] Speaker 3: to the ladies meet for lunches to debrief their separate trips.
[28:50] Speaker 3: Tamara and Jen are together. And then Emily, Carmela and
[28:53] Speaker 3: Shannon are together.
[28:54] Speaker 2: The biggest shame of this. It's in Yiddish. They say
[29:00] Speaker 2: it's a Shonda. Why did they split these up? If
[29:06] Speaker 2: I would have loved to see Vicky unravel in front
[29:11] Speaker 2: of Tamara, and everybody else and seeing what everyone else
[29:15] Speaker 2: did when she was acting that way. I know. We
[29:19] Speaker 2: have to split them up. One goes to a boring trip,
[29:21] Speaker 2: riding bikes in some Swedish village. And then the other
[29:25] Speaker 2: one are here. All the shit's going down. We needed
[29:30] Speaker 2: everybody there for this.
[29:32] Speaker 3: We needed boots on the ground to get.
[29:35] Speaker 1: To the.
[29:37] Speaker 2: Bottom. Would the, Vicky Whisperer have jumped in and said, wait,
[29:42] Speaker 2: let's give her some grace here. I want to talk
[29:44] Speaker 2: to her. I want to pull her on the side.
[29:46] Speaker 2: Or would everybody have just like jumped on the bandwagon
[29:50] Speaker 2: and said, fuck you. Or, like, I would have loved
[29:53] Speaker 2: to had seen all this go down. Come on.
[29:56] Speaker 1: I think the recap definitely should... If they wanted.
[29:59] Speaker 3: To exclude Vicky on this lunch because they needed to
[30:02] Speaker 3: recap her actions without her, fine.
[30:06] Speaker 1: Fine.
[30:07] Speaker 2: Wait, but you can exclude people from conversations in their
[30:11] Speaker 2: own home. We've done it for 20 years on Housewives.
[30:14] Speaker 3: I understand, but, like, the fact that they even had
[30:18] Speaker 3: Tamara and Jen separated and, like, Emily and Shannon and
[30:26] Speaker 3: Carmela separated. It was a little bit.
[30:30] Speaker 2: I see where they're going with this. They're trying to... Well,
[30:35] Speaker 2: first of all, they have to split up the Siamese twins,
[30:39] Speaker 2: Gina and Emily. They have to split them up. Okay?
[30:43] Speaker 3: And.
[30:44] Speaker 2: They have to try to make them find relationships within
[30:49] Speaker 2: the other people. Now that someone's new, new is here.
[30:51] Speaker 2: It's a new diamond dynamic. They throw in two new
[30:55] Speaker 2: people now, like, you know, they got to split up
[30:57] Speaker 2: a little bit. So I, I just think that I
[31:01] Speaker 2: would have liked to see them all together for this.
[31:04] Speaker 2: I think we missed out on TV gold, having everyone together.
[31:07] Speaker 1: I do too, because then we move right along from that.
[31:10] Speaker 3: You know, they, they, Carmela actually says at this point,
[31:13] Speaker 3: I don't know how many water vodkas.
[31:16] Speaker 1: She's had at this point, but she's like, I'm pissed.
[31:19] Speaker 1: I'm not over this. So I'm like, okay, we're going
[31:21] Speaker 1: to see you do this with Vicky. This is going
[31:25] Speaker 1: to happen.
[31:26] Speaker 3: I also was confused why they were all dressed like
[31:29] Speaker 3: they were going somewhere else.
[31:30] Speaker 2: She literally made four strips of bacon, one for each
[31:33] Speaker 2: person it looked like.
[31:34] Speaker 1: I'm like....
[31:38] Speaker 2: There's four, and I counted four girls. Or maybe there's five.
[31:44] Speaker 2: There's four girls, four strips of bacon.
[31:45] Speaker 3: You each get a half a piece of bacon and
[31:48] Speaker 3: chew it a lot and then spit it out.
[31:52] Speaker 1: Get the taste of it, then spit it out.
[31:54] Speaker 2: I am such a slob.
[31:57] Speaker 3: Then we get to Gina and Travis talking about their
[31:59] Speaker 3: wedding expenses and purchasing a bigger house. And Travis gives
[32:03] Speaker 3: Gina her legit engagement ring.
[32:06] Speaker 2: Gina, she's so appreciative.
[32:08] Speaker 3: See?
[32:09] Speaker 2: Okay, now let's talk about this for a second.
[32:11] Speaker 3: Okay.
[32:12] Speaker 2: Okay. Gina and Travis don't have much. So they say, right?
[32:19] Speaker 2: So they're like working on budgets. We want to have
[32:22] Speaker 2: a wedding, but it's so much money, but we deserve
[32:25] Speaker 2: to celebrate our love. But they're in love and they're happy.
[32:29] Speaker 3: Yes.
[32:30] Speaker 2: And she's happy with finally getting her real ring and
[32:34] Speaker 2: all these things. And then.
[32:37] Speaker 1: But know what I thought of during the whole ring thing?
[32:39] Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is totally to poke at Vicky.
[32:41] Speaker 3: Gina's getting two rings before Vicky gets one.
[32:46] Speaker 1: See, no.
[32:47] Speaker 2: Okay. That's what you were thinking. I was thinking of
[32:50] Speaker 2: the contrast of the people with money and then the
[32:54] Speaker 2: people who are happy and then the people without the
[32:57] Speaker 2: money that are happy with what they have.
[32:59] Speaker 1: But let's be clear. I've gone on and looked at
[33:01] Speaker 1: the square footage. Huh? I've looked at the square footage
[33:05] Speaker 1: of the houses.
[33:06] Speaker 3: And Gina's current house, I mean, granted, one year during
[33:09] Speaker 3: the rougher time she was in that casita, but the
[33:12] Speaker 3: house she lives in now, I think, is bigger than
[33:14] Speaker 3: a lot of the other.
[33:15] Speaker 1: Housewives' houses.
[33:18] Speaker 2: Really?
[33:18] Speaker 1: Yes.
[33:20] Speaker 2: Okay.
[33:21] Speaker 3: But I think she made a good point. She's like,
[33:22] Speaker 3: you know, my parents paid for the first wedding. They're
[33:24] Speaker 3: not going to pay for the second.
[33:27] Speaker 2: Right. So there's this budget, right? And it's a lot
[33:29] Speaker 2: of money. Listen, I'm throwing a party. I'm planning Gabby's wedding.
[33:34] Speaker 2: Throw in a party for Frankie here, which is as
[33:37] Speaker 2: big as a wedding. Yeah. It's a lot of money.
[33:40] Speaker 2: You're not getting underneath under on a cheap and $ 300
[33:45] Speaker 2: a head. It's a lot. Yeah.
[33:49] Speaker 1: So, I mean, I don't know.
[33:52] Speaker 3: I also, but I like them as a couple. I
[33:54] Speaker 3: like this conversation. I like, do we want to get
[33:57] Speaker 3: in a bigger house? Do we want to, what do
[33:59] Speaker 3: we want to do?
[34:02] Speaker 2: They want to do what they can afford.
[34:04] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[34:04] Speaker 2: No, that's not. They have too many kids. He has
[34:06] Speaker 2: probably his attorney bills from the ex-wife fighting with him
[34:09] Speaker 2: all the time.
[34:10] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[34:11] Speaker 2: They've broken up over it already. And but, you know,
[34:15] Speaker 2: they really they do love and care about each other.
[34:19] Speaker 2: And then you go and now you see there's that
[34:23] Speaker 2: they're worrying about how to budget for a wedding. And
[34:25] Speaker 2: then you look at a Heather. looking at her 11,000
[34:31] Speaker 2: square foot condo that she bought underneath her other condo.
[34:35] Speaker 2: And it's just so crazy, all of it.
[34:38] Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like every time I'm watching Heather,
[34:40] Speaker 3: and then we'll get back to Carmela and Dani, but
[34:43] Speaker 3: this all kind of goes together because the juxtaposition between
[34:46] Speaker 3: the two places. I feel like Heather is constantly auditioning
[34:51] Speaker 3: for Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Like, this is the
[34:56] Speaker 3: audition tape.
[34:57] Speaker 1: Here we go. Send it in.
[34:59] Speaker 3: Like.
[35:00] Speaker 2: Does she even have to audition at this point if
[35:02] Speaker 2: they wanted her? They know she could pop up there anytime.
[35:06] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, because she is, like, rich.
[35:08] Speaker 3: I mean, and then the fact that she's like, Terry
[35:10] Speaker 3: doesn't know anything about the finances. I'm like, she's got
[35:14] Speaker 3: shit under lock over there. And then her mom's like,
[35:17] Speaker 3: let's paint the ceilings black.
[35:20] Speaker 1: Well, mom.
[35:21] Speaker 2: actually, I mean, I've seen black ceilings. And then he's like,
[35:26] Speaker 2: what is this, a coffin?
[35:28] Speaker 1: What is this, a coffin?
[35:29] Speaker 3: And then it did make me laugh when she was like,
[35:31] Speaker 3: if this was my mom's house, there'd be tchotchkes, a
[35:34] Speaker 3: grandfather clock.
[35:35] Speaker 2: My mother's a hoarder. I'm like, you haven't seen a
[35:39] Speaker 2: hoarder parent yet. Come to my dad's house.
[35:42] Speaker 1: Come over to where you can't even get into the
[35:45] Speaker 1: front door.
[35:45] Speaker 2: Like my dad. Yeah.
[35:49] Speaker 1: I mean, but.
[35:51] Speaker 2: You know, they.
[35:55] Speaker 3: Just were we're seeing a difference in lifestyle here. It's
[35:58] Speaker 3: just it is what it is.
[36:00] Speaker 2: But they're still all friends. They could still like hanging
[36:03] Speaker 2: in the same group. And I love that. I love that.
[36:06] Speaker 2: There's all different levels of wealth here. And and it
[36:09] Speaker 2: was weird to see everyone has their own problems outside
[36:13] Speaker 2: of whether they have money or not.
[36:16] Speaker 1: But know what's weird?
[36:17] Speaker 3: I don't even find it when Heather's talking about money.
[36:20] Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just so used to it. I don't find
[36:22] Speaker 3: it as her bragging. She's so matter of fact about it.
[36:26] Speaker 3: But like some people really bothers me when they talk
[36:28] Speaker 3: about money.
[36:32] Speaker 2: I like to hear what things cost.
[36:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[36:36] Speaker 2: And it doesn't bother me because I learn from it.
[36:39] Speaker 2: So I learned that if I don't have it, I
[36:41] Speaker 2: know how much something should cost if I go to
[36:43] Speaker 2: buy it. Get my point?
[36:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, I get your point.
[36:46] Speaker 2: That never pisses me off.
[36:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't bother me either.
[36:50] Speaker 3: And then in the middle of this, Carmel and Danny
[36:54] Speaker 3: go out for date night.
[36:58] Speaker 1: Sorry, I just spit out of my nose.
[37:01] Speaker 2: I didn't see it, though.
[37:03] Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Danny chose to a fresh start with
[37:09] Speaker 1: gritted teeth.
[37:12] Speaker 2: And then he wants you to get married. She's like,
[37:14] Speaker 2: why should we get married?
[37:16] Speaker 1: You've already been married too many times, dude.
[37:18] Speaker 2: She's like, you've been cut off.
[37:21] Speaker 3: She's like, essentially they talk about couples therapy and, you know,
[37:25] Speaker 3: Carmela's trust is broken. Carmela agrees to try, but if
[37:30] Speaker 3: they can't resolve this, they're done. We know now they're done.
[37:33] Speaker 3: Carmela just confirmed to Page Six that she and Danny
[37:36] Speaker 3: have broken up.
[37:37] Speaker 2: I don't like that. Okay. And Carmela was like hanging
[37:46] Speaker 2: on words. So she saw he was supposed to go
[37:49] Speaker 2: see someone or he was supposed to meet a woman
[37:52] Speaker 2: for something. She's like, what are you meeting him for?
[37:54] Speaker 2: He goes, it's for a building. And she's like, did
[37:58] Speaker 2: you ever go out with her? Well, I was supposed to.
[38:00] Speaker 2: At first he said no, because he's nervous.
[38:02] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[38:02] Speaker 2: And she's like, well, he's like, well, I was supposed to,
[38:04] Speaker 2: but then I didn't or whatever. She's like, see, you're lying.
[38:07] Speaker 2: You're lying. I was in a relationship like that one time.
[38:11] Speaker 1: It'll like, no, no, it drives you insane.
[38:16] Speaker 2: Yeah. Because they're constantly calling you a liar. Even if
[38:21] Speaker 2: you're not lying and making stuff up, like you lied
[38:25] Speaker 2: about that. Oh, you made me nervous to answer you.
[38:28] Speaker 1: But also you made me nervous to answer you because
[38:31] Speaker 1: there is a lie to what I'm telling you, but
[38:33] Speaker 1: I just don't want drama. So I'm just going to
[38:35] Speaker 1: try and say it the easiest way possible.
[38:38] Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of things here, Teddy.
[38:40] Speaker 3: There's, I.
[38:43] Speaker 2: Don't call it a lie when somebody makes you nervous
[38:45] Speaker 2: to speak or nervous to answer, right? That's like an
[38:50] Speaker 2: under pressure. Like you don't know how to explain yourself
[38:53] Speaker 2: because no matter what you say, now they're calling you
[38:55] Speaker 2: a liar before.
[38:56] Speaker 3: But I'm sorry, Dolores, if you asked Paul right now,
[39:00] Speaker 3: if Paul said, I'm going to a meeting right now
[39:03] Speaker 3: and you were like, oh, with who? And he's like, oh,
[39:05] Speaker 3: this realtor. And then you said to him, Which I
[39:10] Speaker 3: doubt think you would. This wouldn't come to my thought process,
[39:13] Speaker 3: but did you used to date her?
[39:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, like I don't talk.
[39:17] Speaker 1: And he said no, then yes, you would be pissed.
[39:20] Speaker 2: I think I should start asking that.
[39:22] Speaker 1: Did you date her? Now we're just going to ask everyone.
[39:26] Speaker 1: Are you talking to her? Did you date her? Are
[39:30] Speaker 1: you talking to her or are you just.
[39:33] Speaker 2: Um, were you talking to her or were you dating
[39:36] Speaker 2: or were you like, I'm going to have to like,
[39:39] Speaker 2: we're going to have to call them to see what level.
[39:42] Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
[39:42] Speaker 1: What is living together, but not being married? What is
[39:47] Speaker 1: that called? Just living together.
[39:50] Speaker 2: Um, well that's up until November. So live together. Yeah.
[39:56] Speaker 1: I don't know. We could be wrong. Who knows what
[39:58] Speaker 1: the younger generation calls it to get up with the
[40:01] Speaker 1: times here. We got to figure it out.
[40:15] Speaker 3: But then we see writing on the wall. I'm like,
[40:18] Speaker 3: these two are done. Um, which then I think is
[40:21] Speaker 3: going to make for a better housewife for Carmela. Then
[40:25] Speaker 3: Tamara visits Vicky to figure out what's going on with her.
[40:28] Speaker 3: Vicky finally lets her walls down and gets emotional saying
[40:31] Speaker 3: she hasn't gotten where she is by sitting on her ass.
[40:34] Speaker 3: So being made fun of for working strikes a nerve.
[40:38] Speaker 3: Vicky shares that she, this, okay. Her saying the, she,
[40:43] Speaker 3: you know, she's working hard. That part didn't resonate with
[40:46] Speaker 3: me too much. It didn't pull up my heartstrings, but
[40:49] Speaker 3: where the heartstrings got pulled is where Vicki shares with
[40:52] Speaker 3: Tamara that she feels less than and fearful of having
[40:56] Speaker 3: another failed relationship after three engagements. And that's why the
[41:00] Speaker 3: Mike comments are so hurtful. And Tamara's a really good
[41:03] Speaker 3: friend here.
[41:05] Speaker 2: She is. Tamara said everything right. Again, I'm going to
[41:11] Speaker 2: say that I feel like I've hit behind things in
[41:16] Speaker 2: my life at times too, not to face the reality
[41:19] Speaker 2: of things. She hides behind her work at this stage
[41:23] Speaker 2: in her career and her business. She doesn't have to
[41:27] Speaker 2: be doing things when she's doing them. You mean you
[41:29] Speaker 2: don't have an assistant answering your emails? You mean you
[41:32] Speaker 2: don't have you have to get right back? You're not
[41:35] Speaker 2: a brain surgeon. You're not a surgeon. You're not getting
[41:38] Speaker 2: called into work because there was a horrible, God forbid,
[41:41] Speaker 2: a horrible accident. You're a fucking answering an email. You
[41:45] Speaker 2: don't have to do it there. But she hides behind
[41:49] Speaker 2: all that. I'm not a psychologist. I'm not. Really?
[41:53] Speaker 1: I could have sworn you were.
[41:55] Speaker 2: Oh, you did. You busted my balls right now. I
[41:58] Speaker 2: know you are. But I'm just saying, like, I'm looking
[42:03] Speaker 2: at her like there were times in my life where
[42:05] Speaker 2: I didn't want to stop. Because if I stopped, I'd
[42:08] Speaker 2: realize the reality of my life, which is what at
[42:11] Speaker 2: the time could have been. I could have been lonely or...
[42:14] Speaker 2: broke or worried or whatever shit ass fucking situation i
[42:19] Speaker 2: was in which most of the time was shit ass
[42:21] Speaker 2: but um tamra tamra i thought had a major breakthrough
[42:26] Speaker 2: on why vicky's doing all this and now i feel
[42:29] Speaker 2: like i'm glad i didn't hate her through all this.
[42:33] Speaker 3: Well i'm glad that it For one, it was nice
[42:37] Speaker 3: to see them show Tamara being this way because I
[42:40] Speaker 3: think they so often want to show her in another way.
[42:42] Speaker 3: But she's like, you're a badass. Like, what is there
[42:45] Speaker 3: to feel this about? You know, like she's boosting her up.
[42:48] Speaker 3: She's like, you're Vicky fucking Gunvalson.
[42:50] Speaker 1: You've got this. And you could tell that's what made Vicky.
[42:54] Speaker 3: Those words of affirmation is what made Vicky open up
[42:57] Speaker 3: to her and say that she's scared.
[42:59] Speaker 1: She's scared. I mean, all in all, the biggest fear
[43:01] Speaker 1: is she's scared of being alone.
[43:04] Speaker 2: Well, I feel like she's had some really bad relationships, right?
[43:09] Speaker 2: We know from day one, she has a low self-esteem
[43:14] Speaker 2: and she doesn't feel pretty. She doesn't feel good because
[43:18] Speaker 2: maybe she hasn't been told that, or maybe, you know,
[43:22] Speaker 2: the men in her life has made her feel less than.
[43:24] Speaker 3: I mean, Tamara said something like you wasted 10 years
[43:28] Speaker 3: of your life with Brooks and Steve.
[43:31] Speaker 2: Right. So I think that because she, has a low
[43:36] Speaker 2: self-esteem that she's been with men who don't make her
[43:41] Speaker 2: feel great about herself.
[43:43] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[43:45] Speaker 3: But then this is where I get confused because then
[43:46] Speaker 3: she's like, oh, well, Mike, he's always asking me what
[43:50] Speaker 3: I'm going to do every day. And do we get dinner?
[43:53] Speaker 3: And but I'm like, hold on. I don't think you
[43:55] Speaker 3: guys live together. I thought you lived in Orange County. Like,
[43:59] Speaker 3: is he coming back with her to Orange County?
[44:02] Speaker 2: They do live together.
[44:04] Speaker 1: So they live together in both places.
[44:06] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
[44:09] Speaker 1: Okay. But that part they have not made clear yet.
[44:12] Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though.
[44:13] Speaker 1: No, the one in Orange County. I mean, the one
[44:15] Speaker 1: in the desert is his house, too.
[44:18] Speaker 2: La Quinta is his, too.
[44:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think the OCD house is.
[44:24] Speaker 2: She's like, here's what it is. Like, I look at Vicki...
[44:28] Speaker 2: And from what she says, she's like, I made everybody's life.
[44:31] Speaker 2: I made it nice for my kids. In the words
[44:33] Speaker 2: of Dorinda, I built a life by working to make
[44:38] Speaker 2: sure everybody was taken care of. And I just feel like,
[44:42] Speaker 2: does anybody put her on a pedestal? No. And this
[44:47] Speaker 2: guy travels a lot for work. Listen to me. I
[44:50] Speaker 2: don't think things are great over there.
[44:53] Speaker 1: I don't think things are great over there.
[44:54] Speaker 3: And I don't like anybody dangling fruit in front of me,
[44:58] Speaker 3: making me feel like I have to be a good
[45:00] Speaker 3: girl to get what I, you know.
[45:02] Speaker 2: I don't like her for that. That bothers me really bad.
[45:08] Speaker 3: Like, even if she was joking about the 90 days
[45:11] Speaker 3: or whatever it was, like, to me, that would really
[45:14] Speaker 3: bother me.
[45:15] Speaker 2: You know what I would say? How about go fuck yourself?
[45:18] Speaker 2: And I've said that. You know, somebody saying, well, I'm
[45:21] Speaker 2: not going to get you this because... You don't deserve it.
[45:24] Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't fucking want it. And go fuck yourself.
[45:26] Speaker 2: That's exactly what I verbally have said to somebody. Yeah.
[45:31] Speaker 2: Don't dangle shit in front of my face.
[45:33] Speaker 1: If you act exactly how I want you to act,
[45:36] Speaker 1: then this could be yours. Fuck you.
[45:39] Speaker 2: You know what? Fuck you. You know what? When somebody
[45:41] Speaker 2: says that to you, it will never be yours. Never.
[45:45] Speaker 2: You will never catch up to that. When you get
[45:49] Speaker 2: to that point, it'll be something else. And then when
[45:50] Speaker 2: you get to that point, it'll be something else.
[45:52] Speaker 1: And so I'm just scared she's going to have to
[45:54] Speaker 1: walk on eggshells.
[45:55] Speaker 3: Like if they do get married or when they do
[45:57] Speaker 3: get married, because I do think they probably will.
[46:00] Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like she's going to have
[46:03] Speaker 1: to walk on eggshells.
[46:05] Speaker 3: But I feel like a big part of it that
[46:07] Speaker 3: we don't get to see is what the show is
[46:10] Speaker 3: creating for the relationship.
[46:12] Speaker 2: Who knows what goes on behind closed doors? However, back
[46:18] Speaker 2: from when first episode she's in, Cabo or wherever in Mexico,
[46:24] Speaker 2: wherever that is, she goes. And Puerto Vallarta, right? And
[46:30] Speaker 2: they're there and she's like, Mike's complaining that I'm here,
[46:33] Speaker 2: but this and that, but I'm working. It's not always
[46:36] Speaker 2: about work. She hides behind work. Yeah. 100,000% hides behind work.
[46:41] Speaker 1: Because like he travels a lot for work too. What
[46:43] Speaker 1: does he care?
[46:44] Speaker 3: Like, is he jealous of what she's going to do
[46:47] Speaker 3: or say if she's with her friends and she's whooping
[46:50] Speaker 3: it up? Is that why she's not whooping it up?
[46:52] Speaker 3: Because she can't control exactly what she's thinking?
[46:55] Speaker 2: He's not jealous. What I don't think is, I feel
[46:58] Speaker 2: like in the same text as I'm looking at Emily
[47:04] Speaker 2: in her marriage, I'm saying there are people here that
[47:07] Speaker 2: are looking for attention from their significant other and accolades
[47:11] Speaker 2: and coddling and like acknowledgement. Just tell me I'm great.
[47:15] Speaker 2: Because you know what? I know why I think that.
[47:18] Speaker 2: Because I like that. I like to be told, Can
[47:21] Speaker 2: you tell me I look nice?
[47:24] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[47:24] Speaker 3: I mean, I like to, I like to feel it
[47:27] Speaker 3: more than I like to hear it. Like, you know,
[47:30] Speaker 3: you walk into a room and you look nice and that,
[47:33] Speaker 3: and your person like touches your back or like makes
[47:37] Speaker 3: it like, I like to feel it more than you
[47:40] Speaker 3: look nice.
[47:41] Speaker 2: Goes a long way. And you know, Vicky's thing, he's,
[47:44] Speaker 2: she's a little older and he's older. Yeah. They're like
[47:47] Speaker 2: an older couple.
[47:50] Speaker 3: But I mean, all in all, I thought this episode
[47:52] Speaker 3: was significantly better than last week's.
[47:55] Speaker 2: I think that I'm looking at this and it was
[47:59] Speaker 2: like a lot of kind of pivotal moments in this episode.
[48:03] Speaker 2: Emily's marriage came like this whole thing that what they
[48:06] Speaker 2: were talking about. And I could see like he wants
[48:10] Speaker 2: her to say, hey, you're great. And she's like, I
[48:12] Speaker 2: don't want to say it because he's not saying it
[48:14] Speaker 2: to her.
[48:14] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[48:16] Speaker 2: Like she's not giving it back because she's not getting it. Yeah.
[48:19] Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's just we're seeing a lot of
[48:24] Speaker 1: home relationships in this season.
[48:27] Speaker 2: We see a lot of relationships. We see a lot
[48:29] Speaker 2: of different like, you know, Gina's got a budget and
[48:34] Speaker 2: and Heather has no budget. But yet, you know, it's
[48:38] Speaker 2: everybody's life is all different. I like watching it.
[48:42] Speaker 1: I like watching it, too.
[48:42] Speaker 3: And next week is Carmela versus Vicky. Apparently that heats up.
[48:47] Speaker 3: So make sure that you guys keep watching.
[48:50] Speaker 2: Yeah. It's time for Carmela to get mad.
[48:52] Speaker 1: It's time, but you know, have a couple of vodka
[48:55] Speaker 1: sodas and let's go.
[48:56] Speaker 2: There you go. Let's get it. But I, you know
[48:58] Speaker 2: what I did do? What? I was watching it with
[49:00] Speaker 2: my mom. I said, mom, this is Vicky. I go,
[49:04] Speaker 2: but she has this moment that I'll never forget when
[49:07] Speaker 2: she got the call that her mom passed away. And I,
[49:11] Speaker 2: I played it for my mother and my mother, she
[49:13] Speaker 2: was like, she was crying. She was like, you're just
[49:16] Speaker 2: never ready for that call. Yeah, no.
[49:18] Speaker 3: So, I mean, there's... going through a lot. No one's
[49:21] Speaker 3: taking that away, but I think that's where you make
[49:25] Speaker 3: a decision. Can I, can I be on a television
[49:28] Speaker 3: show at this point in time? Right.
[49:31] Speaker 2: Or is it good for me? Can you do it?
[49:34] Speaker 2: You could walk onto any set, you know, but, is
[49:37] Speaker 2: it good for you?
[49:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[49:43] Speaker 3: But I'm loving it. I'm happy that the girls gave
[49:48] Speaker 3: us a little bit more this week. And, you know,
[49:51] Speaker 3: we'll be, don't worry, we'll be back next week to
[49:53] Speaker 3: discuss our more hot takes on next week's episode. Thanks, guys,
[49:58] Speaker 3: for tuning in to another episode of Two Teas in
[50:00] Speaker 3: a Pod with myself, Teddy Mellencamp, and Dolores Catania.
[50:03] Speaker 2: I want you guys to write it and tell me
[50:05] Speaker 2: if you agree, disagree, what you think. Are you guys
[50:08] Speaker 2: catching on to anything?
[50:10] Speaker 1: Like, do you agree with Dolores or do you agree
[50:13] Speaker 1: with me? I mean, this is no pressure here.
[50:15] Speaker 2: That's heavy.
[50:16] Speaker 3: Love you.
[50:16] Speaker 2: Love you. Bye.

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