# 90 Day RHOC Fiancé (RHOC)

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 4 Sep 2026, 1 h 10 min.

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Tamra is checking in for duty this episode, but what moment totally surprised Teddi and Dolores? Dolores shares a theory on why Heather is being targeted by her cast. Plus, what is really bothering us about Vicki’s relationship with Mike? Is she settling? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.
[0:14] Speaker 2: Hi guys, welcome to another episode of Two Teas in
[0:16] Speaker 2: a Pod with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and.
[0:19] Speaker 1: Dolores Catania. Hi everyone. Hi.
[0:22] Speaker 2: Was this your favorite episode of OC or not?
[0:26] Speaker 1: It was. Well, last week was my favorite and then
[0:29] Speaker 1: this week beat it. How was last week your favorite? No,
[0:34] Speaker 1: I thought that last, the last episode was really good.
[0:37] Speaker 1: I liked the banter between the girls when they were
[0:40] Speaker 1: like shit talking. Oh yeah.
[0:42] Speaker 2: You know, when they were.
[0:44] Speaker 1: Shit talking right in front of his face. Yeah. With
[0:46] Speaker 1: the song. Um, like I thought that was funny. Cause
[0:50] Speaker 1: I've done that with my friends too, talking about somebody
[0:53] Speaker 1: right in front of their face. Yeah. So he's going
[0:57] Speaker 1: to be upset when he sees it.
[0:58] Speaker 2: He's for sure. Well, he's already seen it.
[1:00] Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
[1:02] Speaker 2: I mean, who knows what's going on with him, but
[1:04] Speaker 2: did you laugh at our girl Tamara?
[1:07] Speaker 1: No, I died. I was dying. Cause you know, I'm like,
[1:12] Speaker 1: like strict Italian Catholic girl. Like I, you don't, I
[1:16] Speaker 1: still don't talk about that stuff in front of anyone. Right.
[1:20] Speaker 1: I talk about other people doing it really badly too.
[1:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll get into it. But it starts off
[1:27] Speaker 2: where Emily, Tamara, and Gina grab lunch while Heather, Carmela,
[1:31] Speaker 2: and Jen shop for sunglasses. Are they running out.
[1:34] Speaker 1: Of things to do to shop for sunglasses?
[1:36] Speaker 2: I was thinking Heather had to drive all the way
[1:38] Speaker 2: to OC. I mean, take a car all the way
[1:40] Speaker 2: to OC to shop for sunglasses.
[1:42] Speaker 1: And it wasn't even, it was like Ray-Bans and it
[1:45] Speaker 1: wasn't even. But the dog was cute.
[1:49] Speaker 2: The dog was cute. But you know, in her mind,
[1:52] Speaker 2: she's like, I just drove.
[1:54] Speaker 1: She had to take a shower when she got home.
[1:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, she couldn't. They didn't even go to the sunglass hut.
[1:59] Speaker 2: I know where they went.
[2:01] Speaker 1: It was like a kiosk somewhere. And she was like,
[2:05] Speaker 1: they're probably like bootleg Ray-Bans. And you know her. She's like, what?
[2:12] Speaker 2: Well, because then I was trying to differentiate if the
[2:14] Speaker 2: ones that she tried on were the ones she wore
[2:16] Speaker 2: at the. picnic this week and I don't think they were.
[2:19] Speaker 1: You fucker you never let that shit go you'll check
[2:22] Speaker 1: for the purse yeah I mean the purse I'm chill
[2:25] Speaker 1: my age you'll check for the bag you'll check for
[2:28] Speaker 1: that shit yeah you are you really dissect this don't you.
[2:32] Speaker 2: Well I don't think and I don't think she wore
[2:34] Speaker 2: them later on just saying I think.
[2:35] Speaker 1: She threw them in the garbage on her way.
[2:37] Speaker 2: Out but I liked them they were like kind of
[2:41] Speaker 2: the they're kind of like yours like where they're the
[2:43] Speaker 2: clear all over Heather's not wearing them Are those look optic?
[2:49] Speaker 1: They're look optic. You love look optic.
[2:51] Speaker 2: I love look optic.
[2:52] Speaker 1: They're the only, like, they're cool. They're, like, cool.
[2:54] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. But anyways, at this lunch, we learn that
[2:59] Speaker 2: Tamara's sex drive is low. But we knew this. And
[3:03] Speaker 2: she may need testosterone. Yeah, but I think this is
[3:06] Speaker 2: the most real she's been on the show about it.
[3:11] Speaker 1: Really? She hasn't talked about this before?
[3:14] Speaker 2: No, on the show, she hasn't. Like on the pod,
[3:18] Speaker 2: she hasn't talked about like.
[3:21] Speaker 1: On the pod, she hasn't?
[3:21] Speaker 2: No, like when she cried in this episode, I got
[3:24] Speaker 2: choked up.
[3:25] Speaker 1: Like you didn't know? No. You didn't know all this
[3:27] Speaker 1: was going on? She never told you about the fight
[3:30] Speaker 1: with Eddie on the way home from Big Bear?
[3:31] Speaker 2: She told me a little bit about it, but not,
[3:34] Speaker 2: she didn't use the D word.
[3:36] Speaker 1: That's rough. And he, by the way, he is a
[3:39] Speaker 1: good guy. And I think that they compliment each other
[3:42] Speaker 1: in a relationship. No relationship is good all the time.
[3:46] Speaker 1: things get stale and especially at our age, we lose
[3:50] Speaker 1: that drive, right? Not your age, definitely me and Tamara's age,
[3:55] Speaker 1: but you know what? And I know this is not,
[4:00] Speaker 1: Eddie is not the culprit of this because he tells
[4:01] Speaker 1: her all the time, she's beautiful and he loves her
[4:04] Speaker 1: and he's very doting, but everyone that's listening needs to
[4:10] Speaker 1: tell your partner and for women, and I bet for like,
[4:13] Speaker 1: there's a component of this for men too, The biggest
[4:16] Speaker 1: sex organ on a woman is their brain. Okay. Tell
[4:21] Speaker 1: me I'm pretty. I don't care. actually what you look
[4:25] Speaker 1: like okay you could be out of shape you could
[4:29] Speaker 1: be like a mess if you taught if you're gentle
[4:34] Speaker 1: to me if you tell me I'm pretty if you
[4:37] Speaker 1: compliment me to you like guys don't get it thank
[4:41] Speaker 1: god men never figured that out with me because I
[4:44] Speaker 1: would be a total disaster yeah.
[4:47] Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to that when we get to it.
[4:48] Speaker 2: But that was definitely a little. But I think this
[4:51] Speaker 2: is where Emily kind of opens up and says, like, well,
[4:55] Speaker 2: I had the same thing, which is why I had
[4:56] Speaker 2: to get the pellets. But then this is where my
[4:58] Speaker 2: brain can't function is because then they show the pellets
[5:02] Speaker 2: and then they show it like a doctor, but they
[5:04] Speaker 2: show an injection. I'm like, that's not the pellets.
[5:06] Speaker 1: That's not the pellets. But then she says, like, it
[5:10] Speaker 1: makes her thing tingle.
[5:11] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[5:12] Speaker 1: My testosterone doesn't make my thing tingle at all.
[5:15] Speaker 2: Well, she's a little bit younger than you, not to
[5:17] Speaker 2: point out the obvious.
[5:19] Speaker 1: I forget that. Sorry. Well, thanks. No, I mean, listen,
[5:29] Speaker 1: it's all up here. Honestly, that helps a lot.
[5:33] Speaker 2: And I think also when you're filming the show and
[5:36] Speaker 2: you're all scattered around, it's very hard to like be
[5:40] Speaker 2: in the moment.
[5:42] Speaker 1: Absolutely.
[5:43] Speaker 2: And like turn your brain off.
[5:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, like we'll get to all that. But there's so
[5:47] Speaker 1: many things. And she's right about like, we'll get there. Yeah.
[5:52] Speaker 2: Well, then Gina finds out that Heather is using Carmela
[5:56] Speaker 2: to find her daughter a place, which is weird since
[5:58] Speaker 2: Heather told everybody how trashy Carmela was.
[6:02] Speaker 1: Well, it's more weird to me. It's not weird that
[6:05] Speaker 1: she told people that Carmela was trashy because we all
[6:08] Speaker 1: we know why she said it. Yeah. Carmela's got the
[6:11] Speaker 1: black hair like Pocahontas. She's got the big, big red lips.
[6:14] Speaker 1: I keep thinking she's Rachel Fuda from New Jersey. That's
[6:18] Speaker 1: why I always think she's from New Jersey, you know,
[6:21] Speaker 1: and I like Carmela. But I could see like Heather
[6:27] Speaker 1: could be like a little snobby sometimes. Sorry.
[6:29] Speaker 2: Well, I think this is this. I'm wondering who brought
[6:32] Speaker 2: it out of because they keep saying Emily keeps saying
[6:36] Speaker 2: she said it off camera. She said it off camera
[6:39] Speaker 2: in Vegas.
[6:41] Speaker 1: No, was it Emily?
[6:43] Speaker 2: No, Emily said that Heather was saying it off camera.
[6:46] Speaker 1: To who?
[6:48] Speaker 2: That's what I want to know.
[6:49] Speaker 1: I want to know who's the rat. Who's the rat?
[6:52] Speaker 2: Who is she saying it to? Because all of them,
[6:54] Speaker 2: they said, Gina said all of them. Gina said she
[6:58] Speaker 2: said it to all of them.
[6:59] Speaker 1: No, so honestly, Teddy, this is such a point of
[7:02] Speaker 1: contention with me when somebody repeats what I say when
[7:05] Speaker 1: they should have not. So can you find out who
[7:08] Speaker 1: did that?
[7:09] Speaker 2: Use your text.
[7:10] Speaker 1: Are you close enough with Heather to ask her?
[7:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll find this out. But I mean, I need
[7:15] Speaker 2: to know who was it that actually took the information
[7:19] Speaker 2: to the group because.
[7:19] Speaker 1: That is a big next step. I need to know
[7:20] Speaker 1: because I'm not going to trust them now.
[7:23] Speaker 2: That's a big next step. And all of them knew.
[7:25] Speaker 2: So what I'm guessing is Carmela didn't go out with
[7:27] Speaker 2: the girls afterwards. The rest of the girls went out.
[7:31] Speaker 2: That's where Heather got a little tipsy and said that
[7:34] Speaker 2: Carmela is trashy.
[7:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[7:38] Speaker 2: Or that she thinks Carmela is trashy. And then the
[7:41] Speaker 2: other girls are using that on the show, even though
[7:45] Speaker 2: she never said it on the show.
[7:45] Speaker 1: Exactly. And that's like a little rough, I think. But
[7:50] Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me is knowing that Gina works
[7:55] Speaker 1: very hard for her money. Yeah. And she works very
[7:58] Speaker 1: hard at being a realtor. Yeah. the fact that they've
[8:02] Speaker 1: been friends for so long and Gina makes this point
[8:05] Speaker 1: very clear. She's like, why would you go to another realtor?
[8:08] Speaker 1: Because even if she went to Gina and Gina referred
[8:12] Speaker 1: her to somebody, Gina still makes money. You know what
[8:15] Speaker 1: I'm saying? Gina could have even referred her to Carmela. Yeah.
[8:19] Speaker 2: And she got a referral fee. Well, I think, I mean, one,
[8:24] Speaker 2: I never watched the show and think, wow, Gina and
[8:27] Speaker 2: Heather are so close. Never once have I thought that.
[8:31] Speaker 1: No, but they've been on a show for a very
[8:33] Speaker 1: long time together.
[8:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think they have that. Because as Gina says,
[8:36] Speaker 2: you know, she's like, this puts me in a bad situation.
[8:40] Speaker 2: This puts me in a bad light. Like, why wouldn't
[8:42] Speaker 2: Heather have chosen me?
[8:45] Speaker 1: But I don't think it was like on spite.
[8:49] Speaker 2: I don't think it was on spite. I think she
[8:51] Speaker 2: once Heather went to Carmela's house.
[8:57] Speaker 1: She got the vibe.
[8:59] Speaker 2: And I think she looked at her differently.
[9:04] Speaker 1: Oh.
[9:04] Speaker 2: But even though the way it played out was that
[9:08] Speaker 2: we saw her asking about the apartment before she went to.
[9:12] Speaker 1: The house, I think. So you think she went to
[9:15] Speaker 1: the house first?
[9:17] Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I could have been.
[9:19] Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't. It doesn't mean that she saw
[9:22] Speaker 1: the house. She could have got a better vibe from
[9:24] Speaker 1: her getting to know her and being like, Because when
[9:26] Speaker 1: you meet somebody, you know whether or not they really
[9:29] Speaker 1: have the money they're talking about they have. Yeah. And
[9:32] Speaker 1: Heather would know.
[9:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she was sussing up the situation.
[9:37] Speaker 1: But, I mean, we'll definitely... She thought she wanted to
[9:38] Speaker 1: be close to her.
[9:40] Speaker 2: I think she just was like, that's her area. I
[9:42] Speaker 2: think that's what she thought about.
[9:43] Speaker 1: That's what I was just going to say. Maybe she
[9:45] Speaker 1: just thought that's her area. Gina, I get... I think she's, like,
[9:50] Speaker 1: half wrong. Yeah.
[9:52] Speaker 2: Like, I get what Gina's saying, but I also... don't
[9:56] Speaker 2: know that if I was going to buy a house
[9:57] Speaker 2: in Colorado right now that I would ask my realtor
[10:00] Speaker 2: from here.
[10:01] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
[10:03] Speaker 2: Like, I don't know. And I love like, I don't
[10:06] Speaker 2: think it's anything against Gina.
[10:09] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[10:11] Speaker 2: I don't think it's against Gina either, but I think
[10:13] Speaker 2: that I can see how Gina's taken it personally.
[10:15] Speaker 1: I could see both sides and I can also see
[10:18] Speaker 1: that this just isn't Heather's.
[10:21] Speaker 2: Season.
[10:22] Speaker 1: No.
[10:34] Speaker 2: And then they discuss how Vicky may have toned things
[10:37] Speaker 2: down since dating Mike with Tamara making a theory. that
[10:42] Speaker 2: maybe he proposed and then took the ring back.
[10:45] Speaker 1: I'm like, where did you.
[10:46] Speaker 2: Find this theory? Teddy.
[10:54] Speaker 1: Are you starting rumors?
[10:57] Speaker 2: I had not heard it, but this is what Tamara
[11:00] Speaker 2: said on the show. She said, it's a theory. Okay. Yeah,
[11:06] Speaker 2: I did not say that.
[11:07] Speaker 1: I'm not that messy today. Okay, you're just making sure
[11:10] Speaker 1: that Vicky knows you had nothing to do with it.
[11:13] Speaker 2: Just so Vicky knows I had nothing to do with it.
[11:16] Speaker 2: This was said on the television show.
[11:20] Speaker 1: I love friends that just make sure. Listen, guys, I
[11:26] Speaker 1: had nothing to do with what my best friend did.
[11:27] Speaker 1: I am not going down for her.
[11:30] Speaker 2: But I am willing to repeat it so that I
[11:34] Speaker 2: make sure that our listeners didn't miss it. Just wanted
[11:39] Speaker 2: to be clear. that is there is like you do
[11:43] Speaker 2: you not.
[11:43] Speaker 1: See the discussion who needs who needs enemies.
[11:48] Speaker 2: Oh my goodness um too much like as tamra was
[11:52] Speaker 2: doing that i was like tamra has punched her time
[11:54] Speaker 2: card this episode like she's like checking in for duty
[11:59] Speaker 2: bring she.
[12:00] Speaker 1: Was listen you didn't think what did we say last
[12:04] Speaker 1: week we were we were waiting for her to get
[12:06] Speaker 1: back to herself and She's creeping in now.
[12:09] Speaker 2: She's slowly creeping.
[12:10] Speaker 1: I hope she doesn't creep back out. The old camera's
[12:11] Speaker 1: creeping in.
[12:13] Speaker 2: But I loved it. So we get that little like four,
[12:18] Speaker 2: you know, what is it called? Like a four, we
[12:20] Speaker 2: get that little foreshadowing. And then we're back at the
[12:25] Speaker 2: sunglasses place.
[12:27] Speaker 1: Oh God. I just didn't even want to see it.
[12:30] Speaker 1: I didn't want to see it.
[12:31] Speaker 2: They discuss how annoyed Emily gets by Heather, who doesn't
[12:34] Speaker 2: believe that the women tiptoe around her.
[12:37] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, she's just like, I'm over caring because
[12:42] Speaker 1: everyone's shitting on me basically. So like, I just don't
[12:46] Speaker 1: care right now.
[12:47] Speaker 2: But then she's like, I do give a lot of shits.
[12:49] Speaker 2: I do care.
[12:50] Speaker 1: Well, she contradicted herself.
[12:52] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[12:52] Speaker 1: Do you think she gives a lot of shits? I'm
[12:54] Speaker 1: not so sure.
[12:54] Speaker 2: I think she does.
[12:55] Speaker 1: You do.
[12:56] Speaker 2: I think she's take like I do too, but like,
[12:59] Speaker 2: I think she really takes things personally.
[13:02] Speaker 1: More than you.
[13:03] Speaker 2: Yeah. More than me.
[13:05] Speaker 1: Oh, that's really bad.
[13:06] Speaker 2: Because like, I'm like a sloppy perfectionist. She's an actual perfectionist.
[13:12] Speaker 1: And I'm not one at all.
[13:15] Speaker 2: You're my type C friend. You're not type A or B.
[13:18] Speaker 1: I'm type D for Dolo. I am telling you, I
[13:22] Speaker 1: know you couldn't tell that I'm not a perfectionist, but
[13:25] Speaker 1: I'm just going to let you in on a little
[13:27] Speaker 1: fun fact about myself.
[13:31] Speaker 2: But Carmela said she wasn't bothered by Vicky leaving the
[13:35] Speaker 2: party early. But then Heather's kind of suggesting that she
[13:38] Speaker 2: should be bothered. She's like, well, then you can put
[13:40] Speaker 2: yourself in a box. Like, clearly you're being put in
[13:43] Speaker 2: a box because she doesn't want to take the time
[13:45] Speaker 2: to be with you.
[13:47] Speaker 1: Okay. And Heather, you wonder why people don't like you
[13:50] Speaker 1: this season. Because this has been a buildup of things
[13:54] Speaker 1: like giving your opinion about You can give your opinion.
[13:57] Speaker 1: You can have your opinion. But there's times when you
[14:00] Speaker 1: don't need to give it. And this was one of
[14:02] Speaker 1: the times if Carmela Albright said, I really didn't care.
[14:05] Speaker 1: She stayed long enough like she ate her hot dog
[14:10] Speaker 1: with mustard and she had to leave for another party
[14:14] Speaker 1: like it. Like I said, I wasn't offended by it.
[14:17] Speaker 2: But I think this is I think this is a
[14:19] Speaker 2: total different reason why Heather's upset than what we're seeing
[14:22] Speaker 2: on the show. OK, what's I think what we're seeing
[14:24] Speaker 2: on the show is Heather's upset because, you know, Vicky
[14:28] Speaker 2: doesn't want to spend time with them. I think Heather's
[14:30] Speaker 2: upset because they're all there to do a job.
[14:34] Speaker 1: OK, well, guess what?
[14:35] Speaker 2: Clocking out early.
[14:37] Speaker 1: Guess what? It's not your it's not your job to
[14:41] Speaker 1: be upset about its production's job.
[14:43] Speaker 2: I know, but this is also what we saw. Did
[14:46] Speaker 2: you watch Ultimate Girls Trip so far? No.
[14:49] Speaker 1: No.
[14:50] Speaker 2: Oh, so that's Vicky's getting a lot of it from
[14:52] Speaker 2: those girls as well, because like they'll be in the
[14:55] Speaker 2: sprinter van and she's on her iPad, like won't talk
[14:58] Speaker 2: to any of them. And you can see that they're
[15:01] Speaker 2: getting fresh and they break the fourth wall more on
[15:03] Speaker 2: that show. You can tell that they're getting frustrated that
[15:06] Speaker 2: they're all having to work and she's not working. Well,
[15:10] Speaker 2: she may be working on her insurance, but she's not.
[15:13] Speaker 1: Well, this was the powers that be. To bring her back,
[15:16] Speaker 1: and it's up to the powers that be to straighten
[15:19] Speaker 1: it out or not.
[15:20] Speaker 2: That's actually a good point. It's not the cast's job to...
[15:25] Speaker 2: To worry about her doing her job.
[15:27] Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you're depending on her to make the show,
[15:32] Speaker 1: then I guess they did do the right job by
[15:34] Speaker 1: bringing her back.
[15:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's working.
[15:37] Speaker 1: It's working, so there you go.
[15:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean... You made a good point. I
[15:42] Speaker 2: hate to say when I'm wrong, but I think I
[15:44] Speaker 2: might be wrong here.
[15:45] Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're wrong.
[15:47] Speaker 2: I could be wrong.
[15:47] Speaker 1: I'm not saying that.
[15:49] Speaker 2: I think you might be right on this one. For
[15:52] Speaker 2: anyone listening, just.
[15:53] Speaker 1: Tuning in, we're making fun of Carmela's boyfriend because he
[15:56] Speaker 1: doesn't open his mouth when he talks. In case you wondered.
[16:00] Speaker 2: In case anyone wondered. But... I still, we just have
[16:06] Speaker 2: to relive this moment one more time of Heather's one.
[16:10] Speaker 2: Heather and Jen are in like prom dresses and Carmela
[16:16] Speaker 2: walks in with like a t-shirt folded at the top,
[16:20] Speaker 2: like with the tie. And then Heather sees the name
[16:23] Speaker 2: Ray band.
[16:24] Speaker 1: She's like, Heather wanted to leave. She wanted to pull
[16:33] Speaker 1: a Vicky. She's like, I'm out now. This is above
[16:36] Speaker 1: my pay grade. I'm out of the store.
[16:38] Speaker 2: Well, even when they put the dog on the counter,
[16:40] Speaker 2: I was like, don't put the dog on the counter,
[16:42] Speaker 2: but the whole let pass the doctor if she wants
[16:45] Speaker 2: to hold it, but don't put the dog on the counter.
[16:47] Speaker 2: I'm have PTSD about dogs.
[16:49] Speaker 1: On the counter. You know, I did one fall.
[16:51] Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. One time I, my dog Khaleesi, that
[16:55] Speaker 2: was the best dog ever. Like my kids and I
[16:57] Speaker 2: were obsessed. Um, She we went out of town to
[17:02] Speaker 2: belt like we went out of town for Bella's birthday
[17:04] Speaker 2: and we had asked around a lot of like the
[17:07] Speaker 2: other people that were on the shows and stuff like
[17:09] Speaker 2: what's the best place to take her.
[17:12] Speaker 1: Don't even tell me because I'll die right now.
[17:14] Speaker 2: No, I'm Dolores.
[17:16] Speaker 1: I don't know if I could listen to the rest
[17:17] Speaker 1: of this story. Yeah.
[17:19] Speaker 2: She was a toy palm. She was this big. She
[17:23] Speaker 2: was the sweetest thing ever. I take her to the,
[17:25] Speaker 2: what are those places called?
[17:27] Speaker 1: Boarding. Boarding.
[17:28] Speaker 2: A boarding place. But I mean, this was a high
[17:31] Speaker 2: end one, like beyond. Like there's like, it's ridiculous.
[17:35] Speaker 1: Looks good, but they still hire the same people. They
[17:38] Speaker 1: don't get the people they hire. Go ahead.
[17:40] Speaker 2: So we don't even get to Bella's actual party. And
[17:44] Speaker 2: I get a phone call from the owner hysterically crying.
[17:49] Speaker 2: And she's like, I can't breathe.
[17:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[17:54] Speaker 2: Well, first she's changed the story. First she said she
[17:56] Speaker 2: dropped her. And then she said that she fell off
[18:02] Speaker 2: the counter. And then I said, I see that you
[18:04] Speaker 2: have cameras in there because I'm allowed to look and
[18:06] Speaker 2: see how all the other dogs are doing. So I
[18:09] Speaker 2: want to pull the footage and see what actually, cause
[18:11] Speaker 2: she was having like, we were already hours away and
[18:14] Speaker 2: she's in the hospital. Now the dog's in the hospital and,
[18:17] Speaker 2: having emergency surgery. Like it's, it's bad. Like the fact
[18:20] Speaker 2: that I'm not crying about it right now just shows
[18:22] Speaker 2: like how sick I am. But like that was, then
[18:27] Speaker 2: we tried to pull the security footage. She said the
[18:29] Speaker 2: security footage was down. She ended up just paying me
[18:33] Speaker 2: some money, like to buy another dog if I wanted to.
[18:36] Speaker 2: But it was, it was really, really sad. Like there's a.
[18:40] Speaker 1: Whole thing on Instagram about a boarding place that killed
[18:42] Speaker 1: a dog. Yeah.
[18:44] Speaker 2: And then like, imagine having to wake up. So I
[18:47] Speaker 2: found out that afternoon, that night that it happened, like,
[18:51] Speaker 2: and they were like, I was like, do we drive
[18:52] Speaker 2: home right now? And she's like, that's like, they're not,
[18:56] Speaker 2: she's not going to make it. And so then I
[18:58] Speaker 2: had to decide, am I going to tell the kids before,
[19:01] Speaker 2: after Belly's birthday party?
[19:03] Speaker 1: Oh, that's a long party.
[19:05] Speaker 2: It's a long party. And then we were staying at like,
[19:08] Speaker 2: a hotel and dah, dah.
[19:09] Speaker 1: Dah, dah.
[19:10] Speaker 2: So like I had to wait. So I just honestly
[19:12] Speaker 2: kept like crying to myself until the next day when
[19:16] Speaker 2: I told them. And then it was just heartbreaking. We
[19:18] Speaker 2: all came back. And then of course we did our
[19:20] Speaker 2: ashes and everything, but like, so whenever I see dogs
[19:24] Speaker 2: on the counter, I have severe like PTSD about it.
[19:28] Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. I can understand that. I had one of
[19:31] Speaker 1: those situations too, but we're not going to make this
[19:33] Speaker 1: a doom and gloom thing, but, um, Yeah. Being away
[19:37] Speaker 1: on vacation and things happen and you have to tell
[19:40] Speaker 1: your kids and you're just looking at them saying tomorrow
[19:43] Speaker 1: I'm going to break and eviscerate their fucking hearts. Yeah.
[19:46] Speaker 1: Like I'm going to rip their hearts out while yours
[19:48] Speaker 1: is already ripped out on the floor.
[19:50] Speaker 2: And you're trying your hardest to be strong and pretend
[19:53] Speaker 2: that you're fine. But yeah, I'll, I'll stop it there.
[19:56] Speaker 2: But it was, it was bad. That was back during
[19:59] Speaker 2: the times when I was still filming. It was, it
[20:01] Speaker 2: was bad. Then we get, speaking of bad, then we
[20:06] Speaker 2: get to the Vicky and Michael dinner.
[20:09] Speaker 1: Oh, what do we, I want your opinion. I want
[20:12] Speaker 1: your opinion.
[20:13] Speaker 2: Well, first, Michael wants Vicky to step away from work
[20:15] Speaker 2: so they can travel. When she brings up their life plan.
[20:18] Speaker 1: He gets upset. They don't travel enough to Mexico?
[20:21] Speaker 2: Apparently not. He said she's been saying it for three years, Dolores.
[20:25] Speaker 1: You know, the guys that want you to stop working
[20:28] Speaker 1: and to spend more time with them, write the check, bro.
[20:31] Speaker 2: I want to be like, dude, if you want me
[20:33] Speaker 2: to stop working, you're going to need more than that
[20:35] Speaker 2: casita in Palm Springs.
[20:39] Speaker 1: Exactly. Like you're staying in her place in Mexico, right?
[20:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[20:43] Speaker 1: Go to Mexico. Um, I feel bad for Vicky. You know,
[20:49] Speaker 1: I don't want to judge Mike right now. Because I
[20:54] Speaker 1: just don't because some guys get real nasty about the show.
[20:58] Speaker 2: And I think that's what's happening. You can see he
[21:01] Speaker 2: doesn't want to talk about the relationship on the show.
[21:03] Speaker 2: He doesn't want her talking about sex on the show.
[21:05] Speaker 2: He doesn't want her signing up to do more podcasts,
[21:07] Speaker 2: more shows, whatever. She's made it clear. However, you met
[21:12] Speaker 2: this woman knowing that was her life.
[21:17] Speaker 1: You know what? I am going to judge him. I am.
[21:19] Speaker 1: Fuck that. I am. He's not nice. I'm sorry. She's
[21:22] Speaker 1: settling just to have a warm body.
[21:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[21:26] Speaker 1: Like, it.
[21:28] Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Even if she wasn't on the show
[21:29] Speaker 2: when they got together, like maybe that was during one
[21:33] Speaker 2: of the times that she got the boot. I don't know.
[21:36] Speaker 2: I don't know the timeline.
[21:37] Speaker 1: He could have met her when she wasn't on the show,
[21:40] Speaker 1: when she wasn't back in this. Because they were together
[21:42] Speaker 1: at BravoCon before she was asked to hold the orange
[21:46] Speaker 1: that she walked around with for three days. Yeah. Like
[21:49] Speaker 1: it was an infant.
[21:51] Speaker 2: I know. She brought it to lunch.
[21:53] Speaker 1: She brought it to breakfast. She sat with it.
[21:58] Speaker 2: The orange was just sitting there at all times.
[22:00] Speaker 1: It was like, put it away. I wanted to steal it.
[22:04] Speaker 2: But then also, I want to say, like, I'm sorry.
[22:08] Speaker 2: If your husband doesn't want anything to do with your
[22:11] Speaker 2: work and your show, don't come to fucking BravoCon. Don't
[22:16] Speaker 2: go to BravoCon.
[22:18] Speaker 1: Well, maybe she didn't know what it was. She put... I, I, Dolores. No, I'm,
[22:24] Speaker 1: I'm saying maybe he didn't know, but this is what
[22:26] Speaker 1: I'm going to say. It doesn't fucking matter, Teddy. It
[22:30] Speaker 1: doesn't matter because there's excuse after excuse after excuse. And
[22:35] Speaker 1: I've been around this before. And I can tell you
[22:40] Speaker 1: that it's a few different things. It's, um, insecurities. It
[22:47] Speaker 1: is somebody in his life telling him it's shit, it's garbage,
[22:50] Speaker 1: it's low class. Because what the fuck does he really
[22:53] Speaker 1: know about it? Does he have family or friends?
[22:57] Speaker 2: I think he has kids that are like adult age.
[23:01] Speaker 1: Okay. So is somebody in his ear about all of this?
[23:03] Speaker 2: Probably watching the show and telling him what happened.
[23:06] Speaker 1: Yeah. Frustrated people that wish they could be on the show.
[23:09] Speaker 1: Is somebody telling him... that this is really bad. Cause
[23:13] Speaker 1: they should really tell him to be a lot nicer
[23:16] Speaker 1: to Vicky. Cause she's a damn good catch for him.
[23:19] Speaker 1: She's successful. She loves him. Like she loves him. You know, like,
[23:26] Speaker 1: what do you think you're getting? What do you think?
[23:28] Speaker 1: Who are you treating this woman like this for? I mean, I'm.
[23:32] Speaker 2: The prize and he like, doesn't even like give her
[23:35] Speaker 2: a hug or anything in that moment. And I was like,
[23:38] Speaker 2: Come on, dude.
[23:39] Speaker 1: I feel bad. No, listen, I feel bad. We saw
[23:42] Speaker 1: this with Angela Oakley. Her husband was very standoffish on camera,
[23:47] Speaker 1: but I think he's much more supportive than Mike. Yeah.
[23:51] Speaker 2: But I mean, I also get the feeling that Vicky
[23:54] Speaker 2: is probably the breadwinner and he doesn't want that discussed
[23:57] Speaker 2: on camera.
[23:59] Speaker 1: Well, then go drive an Uber, go, go, go do something.
[24:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[24:07] Speaker 1: But I feel like it's putting her down to make
[24:09] Speaker 1: herself feel better. Yeah.
[24:11] Speaker 2: I mean, because why else, if she loves working, if
[24:14] Speaker 2: she loves filming, if she loves doing the insurance stuff,
[24:18] Speaker 2: if she loves that she got an ultimate girl strip,
[24:20] Speaker 2: if she loves that she got her Christian gray snow podcast,
[24:24] Speaker 2: then be happy for her.
[24:27] Speaker 1: Here's what I want to know what Christian gray snow
[24:29] Speaker 1: feels about this because he lives, eats and breathes Vicky. Yeah.
[24:33] Speaker 1: So let's, I don't think he would like this. I
[24:36] Speaker 1: don't like, I don't think Christian would like it if
[24:38] Speaker 1: Vicky wasn't being treated nice.
[24:40] Speaker 2: Well, I don't, I didn't even like that when he,
[24:43] Speaker 2: when they were in the middle of a conversation, he goes, well,
[24:44] Speaker 2: I still have my mic on. And then he gets
[24:47] Speaker 2: up and she's like, where are you going? And he's like,
[24:49] Speaker 2: she's like, probably the bathroom. Like she made it funny.
[24:51] Speaker 2: She's like, he's always in the bathroom. But like, I
[24:54] Speaker 2: was like either also.
[24:56] Speaker 1: Who was like this with me? Who? Dave.
[25:00] Speaker 2: He, oh, I remember. And I didn't like it then either.
[25:04] Speaker 1: He was like with the show because he had people
[25:06] Speaker 1: in his ear telling him the show is this, the
[25:09] Speaker 1: show is blah, blah, blah, blah. When it's really, it's
[25:14] Speaker 1: just an excuse to not be nice. And I'm being honest,
[25:17] Speaker 1: grown ass man, he's retired. He's had his life. What
[25:20] Speaker 1: does he care about what she's doing? You know, there's
[25:24] Speaker 1: enough time for him after filming. So she's working. Oh God,
[25:29] Speaker 1: like kill her for it. She's built her whole life. She's,
[25:33] Speaker 1: you know, to build her business. We're going to knock
[25:35] Speaker 1: her for that.
[25:36] Speaker 2: And also, like, if you don't want to be talked
[25:41] Speaker 2: about on the show, I'm not saying this will stop
[25:43] Speaker 2: you from being talked about, but don't go on it
[25:45] Speaker 2: at all. Or be nice on it and be a dick.
[25:49] Speaker 1: Be nice. Make believe you're nice in front of people.
[25:52] Speaker 1: Don't try to make her look bad by being not
[25:56] Speaker 1: nice to her.
[25:57] Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's trying to be funny.
[26:00] Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think he was being funny.
[26:01] Speaker 1: I don't think he was trying to be funny. I
[26:03] Speaker 1: think he was trying to be like, um, cool about it. Maybe. Yeah.
[26:10] Speaker 2: I just kept thinking about 90 day fiance.
[26:13] Speaker 1: What about it?
[26:14] Speaker 2: Well, because they're saying that Vicky had to get to
[26:16] Speaker 2: the 90 days.
[26:19] Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. And then at 70, something would happen. Oh,
[26:26] Speaker 1: you woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
[26:28] Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
[26:29] Speaker 2: Oh, sorry.
[26:30] Speaker 1: You were on your computer after 801. We were supposed
[26:33] Speaker 1: to watch a movie. Listen to me. Take that ring
[26:37] Speaker 1: and stick it on your fucking cock because I was
[26:39] Speaker 1: getting so mad. Fuck you and your ring. Yeah. I
[26:44] Speaker 1: don't want it. Vicky, go find. There's a lot of
[26:48] Speaker 1: widowers your age that would kill to be with you.
[26:51] Speaker 1: Not the widowers. There's a lot of nice.
[26:57] Speaker 2: Topics over here.
[26:58] Speaker 1: Stop it, you fucking asshole. No, but there's a lot
[27:04] Speaker 1: of men that are very lonely. Divorced, whatever it is
[27:08] Speaker 1: that happened, maybe never married, maybe worked hard their whole
[27:11] Speaker 1: life that would understand what you're doing. There's a lot
[27:15] Speaker 1: of other people out there that would appreciate you. And
[27:18] Speaker 1: I'd like to see her have that. And I hope
[27:20] Speaker 1: she doesn't get mad at me for being mad at Mike.
[27:22] Speaker 2: Well, I she is. But she also I think I mean,
[27:28] Speaker 2: she's going to definitely get mad. She gets like and
[27:31] Speaker 2: then she'll get over it. But you can't get.
[27:34] Speaker 1: Mad because people want the best for you. Yeah.
[27:38] Speaker 2: Like we want people like you.
[27:39] Speaker 1: I've been a big fan of Vicky since this all started.
[27:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, too. But then the women surprised
[27:45] Speaker 2: Shannon for her birthday. Vicky says she like anyway, I'm
[27:49] Speaker 2: sorry to interrupt because I'm on a tear. How does
[27:53] Speaker 2: Mike know if he's not interested in any of this?
[27:55] Speaker 1: What is said on here? Who's telling him?
[27:57] Speaker 2: Vicky's telling him. Vicky. Yes.
[28:01] Speaker 1: That's why he feels it's not his fault then, Vicky.
[28:03] Speaker 1: It's because of all the stuff you've told him. Yeah.
[28:07] Speaker 2: She comes home and tells him everything that happened. That's
[28:10] Speaker 2: why she said he doesn't want me talking about sex anymore.
[28:13] Speaker 2: Earlier this season, she talked about sex.
[28:16] Speaker 1: So how would he know unless she told him?
[28:17] Speaker 2: Because she told him. She's going home and regurgitating what
[28:22] Speaker 2: happened on the day, and then he's getting.
[28:24] Speaker 1: Mad about it. Well, I take everything back. It's not
[28:26] Speaker 1: his fault then. Do you think men tell you everything?
[28:31] Speaker 2: No. But also, like, I wouldn't even have wasted my time. Like,
[28:38] Speaker 2: you know there's how many things you can tell Polly
[28:41] Speaker 2: about the other women on camera.
[28:43] Speaker 1: Listen, everything doesn't make it. Explain it when it comes out. Yeah.
[28:50] Speaker 2: So I think that is also like a part of
[28:54] Speaker 2: part of the situation. She's telling him and then.
[28:56] Speaker 1: Telling him and then he's upset. Yeah. Well, is he
[29:01] Speaker 1: all wrong then? Don't be honest. I didn't know this.
[29:04] Speaker 1: This is new information to me. So tell me, Teddy,
[29:06] Speaker 1: is he all wrong?
[29:07] Speaker 2: Well, I personally think if you're signed up to do
[29:10] Speaker 2: a show. then you have to take, like, he's not
[29:17] Speaker 2: only with somebody that's on a reality television show, he
[29:20] Speaker 2: signed the paperwork. It's not like he's Michael Darby who
[29:26] Speaker 2: can no longer be discussed allegedly, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, no,
[29:30] Speaker 2: he is on the show.
[29:33] Speaker 1: So I guess he started off not hating it. He
[29:36] Speaker 1: grew to hate it because of the way Vicky probably
[29:39] Speaker 1: treated But then, you know, sometimes when, you know, girl talks,
[29:43] Speaker 1: girl talk. And then when you go tell your guy
[29:45] Speaker 1: and then he holds it against you, it's your fault.
[29:47] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, then they showed a flashback of Vicky
[29:49] Speaker 2: looking at the guy's dick at the Grand Canyon on purpose.
[29:55] Speaker 1: Why'd they do that?
[29:56] Speaker 2: Because they're trying to show that, like, Vicky is... I
[29:59] Speaker 2: think they're trying to show that there's holes in this relationship.
[30:03] Speaker 1: I don't think there is. I think that this is
[30:07] Speaker 1: the first year Vicky's back since she's with him. He
[30:10] Speaker 1: needs to get to know it and get over it
[30:14] Speaker 1: because he wasn't. I met him. I met him, too.
[30:17] Speaker 1: And he was very nice.
[30:18] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what they also wanted to show is
[30:22] Speaker 2: that Vicky acts differently in front of him or for him.
[30:27] Speaker 1: Who doesn't? Like, you don't change yourself, but there's some
[30:32] Speaker 1: things when you're in a relationship that, you know, you
[30:36] Speaker 1: know your partner wouldn't agree with, so you kind of
[30:38] Speaker 1: don't want to... That being said, I.
[30:41] Speaker 2: Don't change my personality.
[30:43] Speaker 1: You don't change your personality? I don't think her personality's changed.
[30:46] Speaker 1: She's as kooky as ever.
[30:47] Speaker 2: She's always loved to talk about sex and those types
[30:50] Speaker 2: of things.
[30:50] Speaker 1: Oh, she did? Yes.
[30:52] Speaker 2: And so now she's all buttoned up, and I'm like.
[30:56] Speaker 1: Show me a girl that didn't do that when they're
[30:58] Speaker 1: with a guy that doesn't like that.
[31:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.
[31:00] Speaker 1: They all did. All right.
[31:02] Speaker 2: Well, anyways, then the women surprised Shannon for her birthday.
[31:05] Speaker 2: This was a cute scene, I thought. This was cute.
[31:09] Speaker 1: Very cute. The camaraderie was real and sincere.
[31:13] Speaker 2: And you could tell that Shannon was actually like emotional
[31:16] Speaker 2: about this. She's like, I'm always the one that does
[31:19] Speaker 2: the surprises.
[31:22] Speaker 1: It's true. And she was definitely, it was like a
[31:25] Speaker 1: heartfelt gesture from everyone. But then, see, we have two
[31:29] Speaker 1: different things you can look at. You look at the
[31:31] Speaker 1: one who's lonely. but peaceful. She's not, she doesn't have
[31:34] Speaker 1: a guy being mad about what she's doing. She could
[31:37] Speaker 1: come and go as she pleases. She's got her dog,
[31:40] Speaker 1: but she's miserable. Then you have Vicky who's getting, going
[31:44] Speaker 1: through all that because she's with somebody. You know what
[31:46] Speaker 1: I mean? You see what I'm saying?
[31:47] Speaker 2: It's not good regard. Like we all are going through
[31:50] Speaker 2: it in some way. It's just, everyone has their own thing.
[31:54] Speaker 2: But I, Shannon made me laugh when I forgot, maybe
[31:58] Speaker 2: Jen walked in and she's like, you like it cold
[32:01] Speaker 2: in your house, don't you? And she's like, no, my
[32:03] Speaker 2: dogs do.
[32:03] Speaker 1: The dogs like it cold.
[32:07] Speaker 2: It's okay to.
[32:08] Speaker 1: Say you like it cold? Yeah. How does she know
[32:11] Speaker 1: the dogs like it cold?
[32:12] Speaker 2: Did you not see them panting at the beginning? I
[32:16] Speaker 2: was like, I can't with these editors knowing they're going
[32:19] Speaker 2: to say the dogs want to be cold after they're
[32:21] Speaker 2: panting because they probably just got back from a walk.
[32:24] Speaker 1: Exactly.
[32:26] Speaker 2: But then the women then Vicky says she Shannon and
[32:29] Speaker 2: Tamar slowly rebuilding their friendship. Did like we expect this
[32:33] Speaker 2: was going to happen.
[32:35] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. What's going on in my show?
[32:38] Speaker 2: It was World War Three.
[32:40] Speaker 1: It's like. They should get the Nobel Peace Prize over here.
[32:43] Speaker 2: Yeah. So the whole point of the show is conflict
[32:48] Speaker 2: and resolution.
[32:49] Speaker 1: Correct. And I did think that they've come back from
[32:52] Speaker 1: worse things that I've seen. You know what I mean?
[32:54] Speaker 1: This is years of going back and forth. But Shannon
[32:59] Speaker 1: seems very timid to me.
[33:01] Speaker 2: She seems timid to me, too. I think she is
[33:04] Speaker 2: going through it.
[33:07] Speaker 1: Like she seems... I think she's a little sad.
[33:10] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[33:10] Speaker 1: She seems.
[33:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, she seems really sad.
[33:16] Speaker 2: She seems fragile.
[33:17] Speaker 1: Yes, she seems very fragile.
[33:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, that's what I noticed. Take that off, Shannon.
[33:24] Speaker 1: That'll get to you real quick.
[33:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, because also she's saying she's nervous about the one-on-one
[33:29] Speaker 2: lunch with Tamara.
[33:30] Speaker 1: Like, give me a break. You've been friends and off
[33:34] Speaker 1: and on with Tamara forever. Now, all of a sudden,
[33:36] Speaker 1: you're scared of her. Shannon, I am tough love. I
[33:40] Speaker 1: am not going to tolerate you being a baby about
[33:42] Speaker 1: this stuff. Shake it off and, you know, head up,
[33:47] Speaker 1: shoulders back and be tough. Yeah.
[33:49] Speaker 2: And go for it. But also, this is another you're
[34:05] Speaker 2: going to think it's weird that I noticed, but then
[34:07] Speaker 2: they're like, let's do cake. Let's do cake. Did you
[34:09] Speaker 2: notice how four of them spit on the cake before
[34:13] Speaker 2: they ate it?
[34:14] Speaker 1: It's so sick. Why? You know, you do know. I'd rather.
[34:21] Speaker 1: I'd rather pick up shit than see somebody drool. Like
[34:25] Speaker 1: I have a thing with saliva. I'm not OK. So
[34:29] Speaker 1: tell me this because I missed it.
[34:31] Speaker 2: OK, so really all that what was happening was Shannon
[34:33] Speaker 2: was struggling to blow out the candle.
[34:35] Speaker 1: I did.
[34:36] Speaker 2: Oh, so then the other girls chimed in.
[34:39] Speaker 1: I always take the first layer off the cake before
[34:42] Speaker 1: I eat it.
[34:43] Speaker 2: You do?
[34:43] Speaker 1: Hell yeah!
[34:45] Speaker 2: Well, then that's all I could think about was, did
[34:47] Speaker 2: anyone eat the cake after this happened? I mean, the
[34:49] Speaker 2: night was pretty much over, so maybe not.
[34:51] Speaker 1: Dad brought it home for her dog.
[34:56] Speaker 2: Did he make a cameo this episode? I think he did.
[34:59] Speaker 2: And they were outside talking. He's a new cast member.
[35:04] Speaker 1: She's like, you want me to get you some water
[35:07] Speaker 1: or something? She had to bring him in and he
[35:10] Speaker 1: was overheating outside. I think it's funny when.
[35:15] Speaker 2: We talk shit about the dog. It was dark out.
[35:18] Speaker 2: It was like 6 p.m. and she's having a conversation
[35:20] Speaker 2: with Dawson and Grayson and the dog's like....
[35:29] Speaker 1: Not an ounce of fat on her.
[35:31] Speaker 2: She's like, do you want to sip my protein.
[35:36] Speaker 1: Shake?
[35:38] Speaker 2: But this is where Dawson talks about wanting to leave
[35:40] Speaker 2: the Marines, but how much his dad really wants him
[35:42] Speaker 2: to stay. And I think he wants to say too.
[35:45] Speaker 1: I have to say that her boys are lovely. Like
[35:51] Speaker 1: I love, I just want to hug them. I love
[35:54] Speaker 1: her kids. You know, show me your kids and I'll
[35:56] Speaker 1: show you who you are. Kudos to Jen. She raised men.
[36:00] Speaker 1: They're beautiful boys. They're close. And thank you for your service, Dawson. But,
[36:08] Speaker 1: you know, the father's like, stick it out. You started.
[36:11] Speaker 1: It's a big accomplishment. My family are Marines. I wanted
[36:14] Speaker 1: to join the Marines. It's a sense of accomplishment to finish.
[36:17] Speaker 1: And I think he should really Stick it out.
[36:19] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think once you start something, you stick it out.
[36:21] Speaker 2: That's how I treated my kids.
[36:23] Speaker 1: Yeah. You don't like it. You started it. Finish it. Yeah.
[36:26] Speaker 2: We're going to finish it.
[36:27] Speaker 1: Easy for me to say, but I got to go
[36:29] Speaker 1: in blackout mode.
[36:32] Speaker 2: I think though that, um, because earlier on in the season,
[36:36] Speaker 2: remember there was a scene between Jen and Grayson when
[36:39] Speaker 2: he got a speeding ticket and he was like, I
[36:42] Speaker 2: just don't have both my parents. So I think they're
[36:44] Speaker 2: trying to give the illusion that, But I think the
[36:47] Speaker 2: dad's still in the picture. I think he just doesn't
[36:49] Speaker 2: get along with Ryan and Jen.
[36:52] Speaker 1: Right.
[36:54] Speaker 2: There's two different, two things can be true. He can
[36:56] Speaker 2: still be a good dad and not want to be
[36:59] Speaker 2: around Ryan and Jen.
[37:01] Speaker 1: Those kids were reared well. Yeah. Okay. So, you know,
[37:06] Speaker 1: she's only been divorced in the past few years. They
[37:09] Speaker 1: don't look, you know, to me like kids that had
[37:13] Speaker 1: terrible parents or. They seem to be on the right
[37:15] Speaker 1: track and doing well. So I mean, I can't knock
[37:19] Speaker 1: the husband. I don't know him. I don't know enough
[37:21] Speaker 1: about him.
[37:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. But then I think it's funny.
[37:25] Speaker 1: He doesn't pay bills. He made her flounder financially. That
[37:29] Speaker 1: wasn't nice.
[37:30] Speaker 2: That was. But he also worked for her parents.
[37:33] Speaker 1: Her parents have money work. He worked for her dad.
[37:37] Speaker 1: Her parents have money.
[37:38] Speaker 2: I don't know how much money they have, but that
[37:40] Speaker 2: was his job before they got divorced.
[37:43] Speaker 1: I thought that he had a lot of money or something.
[37:46] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[37:46] Speaker 2: No, he listened like a one bedroom.
[37:50] Speaker 1: Oh, more clear to me. I felt like he was
[37:53] Speaker 1: like in finance or see, I had this whole different.
[37:56] Speaker 2: No, he had, he had a big title job, but
[37:58] Speaker 2: it was at Jen's parents company. And like, that's why
[38:02] Speaker 2: he would be like bi-coastal or whatever it's called when
[38:04] Speaker 2: somebody would go to another state and then come back.
[38:06] Speaker 1: Well, Thank you for that information. You're welcome.
[38:09] Speaker 2: I'm just a bundle of useless information.
[38:10] Speaker 1: You really are. It's not useless. I feel differently about something.
[38:16] Speaker 2: So then Grayson.
[38:18] Speaker 1: Struggles to open and struggles opening up to his parents.
[38:22] Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? He's like, I like
[38:24] Speaker 1: speaking to a therapist. Most kids don't want to talk
[38:27] Speaker 1: to their parents.
[38:28] Speaker 2: Yeah. Slate wouldn't even let me take. Today was her
[38:31] Speaker 2: first day and her like picture day. And she wouldn't
[38:34] Speaker 2: even let me take a picture.
[38:35] Speaker 1: What grade is she in now? eighth well that's even.
[38:38] Speaker 2: Let me take a picture I mean and she had
[38:41] Speaker 2: she had a full glam done by herself I'm like.
[38:46] Speaker 1: And you would think she'd want her picture taken.
[38:48] Speaker 2: I'm like you look beautiful like why don't you can't
[38:51] Speaker 2: you do my glam like that as I'm like sitting
[38:53] Speaker 2: there like red face and peeling scratchy and she's like
[38:57] Speaker 2: I'm like you look stunning and she's like thanks I
[39:00] Speaker 2: did my makeup But that's why she couldn't walk to
[39:02] Speaker 2: the bus today because she didn't want to mess up
[39:04] Speaker 2: her makeup.
[39:05] Speaker 1: You had to drive her?
[39:08] Speaker 2: Well, I can't drive, but yes, someone had to drive her.
[39:11] Speaker 1: That is... She didn't want to mess her makeup.
[39:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, because I can walk to the bus, but I
[39:16] Speaker 2: can't do the driving. So that's how it goes. But
[39:19] Speaker 2: either way, she won't even take a picture with me.
[39:20] Speaker 2: So I get how Grayson's saying he doesn't totally want to.
[39:23] Speaker 1: Talk to that sidebar number one jen's like men's amour
[39:29] Speaker 1: she just sits there he's like you know i want
[39:32] Speaker 1: to quit the marine she's like so what's your dad
[39:34] Speaker 1: say oh how about say don't quit buddy you came
[39:37] Speaker 1: this far like don't i don't want to see this
[39:39] Speaker 1: camera or how about like when when um grayson says Like,
[39:44] Speaker 1: I miss talking to a therapist. Well, how about say,
[39:47] Speaker 1: you'll be in one tomorrow if that's what you want, buddy. Yeah.
[39:50] Speaker 1: We'll make sure you're in one tomorrow.
[39:53] Speaker 2: The issue we're having with Jen this season, which I
[39:57] Speaker 2: like her this season, I'm being honest.
[39:58] Speaker 1: I always like Jen.
[40:00] Speaker 2: I like Jen, but I think she also, some of
[40:03] Speaker 2: these conversations are played out for the camera. So there
[40:08] Speaker 2: has to be a certain narrative surrounding them. And when
[40:11] Speaker 2: that narrative gets... Tweaked a little. She's like, well, like
[40:14] Speaker 2: you saw when she came back in.
[40:17] Speaker 1: Like they let the boys talk. Yeah. Yeah.
[40:20] Speaker 2: And then the boys jokingly were like, you're the word.
[40:23] Speaker 2: We said you were the worst. And she's like, what?
[40:26] Speaker 2: You could see like actual panic in her face for
[40:28] Speaker 2: a second.
[40:29] Speaker 1: Like to think, oh, God, what did you guys say
[40:31] Speaker 1: about me?
[40:32] Speaker 2: But I mean, I thought it was I thought, you know,
[40:34] Speaker 2: I think they have a good relationship.
[40:36] Speaker 1: Beautiful. Yeah.
[40:38] Speaker 2: To spice things up. Tamara, a.k.a. Miss Juicy, and Eddie
[40:44] Speaker 2: meet at a hotel for some sexy time.
[40:46] Speaker 1: Dead. Don't tell me. It was like soft porn. Like,
[40:52] Speaker 1: compare it to another sex scene in a... Housewives. In
[40:56] Speaker 1: 20 years.
[40:58] Speaker 2: The only sex scene that I could kind of think
[41:00] Speaker 2: it was somewhat close to was Whitney Rose's when she was, like,
[41:04] Speaker 2: naked on the painting.
[41:06] Speaker 1: We have to talk about that. Like... That was a
[41:13] Speaker 1: big one, but I didn't watch it, but I kind
[41:15] Speaker 1: of like knew about it.
[41:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[41:17] Speaker 1: But I guess that, so you, that's the only one
[41:20] Speaker 1: in all these years. Yeah.
[41:24] Speaker 2: I mean, other than when Tamara and Eddie were in
[41:26] Speaker 2: the bathtub.
[41:28] Speaker 1: Well, Teresa was in the bathtub with Joe, Jude ice,
[41:31] Speaker 1: juicy Joe.
[41:33] Speaker 2: Oh, see, that's pretty.
[41:34] Speaker 1: Let's go back to New York. When the guy got
[41:37] Speaker 1: out of bed and there was a shit stain on this. Remember? Yes.
[41:45] Speaker 1: Who was that? Like a big skid mark.
[41:48] Speaker 2: Sick. He thought it was just a tube, but it
[41:51] Speaker 2: came out as more. Couldn't help it. It was a shard.
[41:58] Speaker 2: He sharded himself.
[42:01] Speaker 1: Who was he in bed with?
[42:03] Speaker 2: I can't remember.
[42:04] Speaker 1: Let's not take away from this amazing scene. Yeah. I
[42:07] Speaker 1: felt like, okay, so that was like gross, but funny.
[42:11] Speaker 1: Hold on.
[42:12] Speaker 2: First they walk in and she's like, for Miss Juicy.
[42:15] Speaker 1: I mean.
[42:17] Speaker 2: And then they sit down and they're at like their
[42:19] Speaker 2: two top and she orders champagne and he's like, I've
[42:23] Speaker 2: got tequila. And she's like, that makes you want to
[42:25] Speaker 2: take your clothes off. She's still wearing her trench coat.
[42:28] Speaker 2: I don't realize until this dinner.
[42:29] Speaker 1: That wasn't even a trench coat. That was like a
[42:31] Speaker 1: fur coat you wear in New Jersey in the middle
[42:33] Speaker 1: of the winter. Was it cold that day?
[42:37] Speaker 2: Well, then when she goes, you could tell this was
[42:39] Speaker 2: probably after a glass of champagne. She's like, well, look.
[42:45] Speaker 1: I died. I died. And Eddie was like, oh, wow,
[42:50] Speaker 1: that's nice. I thought to myself, would I get the
[42:54] Speaker 1: same reaction from Paul? I know I don't look the
[42:57] Speaker 1: same as Tamara, but I don't even... Like, I don't know.
[43:02] Speaker 1: And he's like, close that up. There's people here.
[43:06] Speaker 2: I know they're closing up. So then they go, they
[43:08] Speaker 2: close it up.
[43:08] Speaker 1: He wasn't being shy. I mean, I don't know what
[43:10] Speaker 1: she took before she got there, but send it this way,
[43:13] Speaker 1: Tamara Grudge.
[43:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, because hers was tingling, obviously, as well.
[43:18] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Kristen Henninian. What did you give her?
[43:21] Speaker 2: Viagra?
[43:23] Speaker 1: There is a female Viagra. It's called Addie, A-D-D-I. Oh, really?
[43:28] Speaker 2: Oh, good to know. But then they play an adult
[43:33] Speaker 2: Jenga where... I can't. When Eddie spanks Tamra and.
[43:42] Speaker 1: She gets on the force and barks like a dog.
[43:47] Speaker 1: She's earned her money. She's earned her keep. Tamra, you
[43:53] Speaker 1: could take off for the rest of the season. Because
[43:55] Speaker 1: I would... She's like, she's a team player, bro. Because
[44:00] Speaker 1: you would.
[44:01] Speaker 2: Like, hold on when she, when he goes to slap
[44:04] Speaker 2: her butt, which I don't even know if you could
[44:05] Speaker 2: call it that when he like, would look like if he,
[44:11] Speaker 2: he gets so embarrassed that he laughs and he puts
[44:13] Speaker 2: his head on it right on her butt.
[44:15] Speaker 1: I know. I know. Wait, can I just say this
[44:18] Speaker 1: whole thing? I was dying the whole time. The whole time.
[44:23] Speaker 1: I was dying from the minute. I'm I can't wait
[44:27] Speaker 1: to see what people have to say about this. Yeah.
[44:29] Speaker 2: I mean, I, I got to say, seeing her bark
[44:32] Speaker 2: like a dog, like, I want to make her do
[44:33] Speaker 2: that weekly on the pod.
[44:34] Speaker 1: That's going to be a meme. She did it well.
[44:37] Speaker 1: She wasn't even caring. Like, she's like, okay, I'll do it.
[44:41] Speaker 1: I'd be like, listen, producers, I'm out. Like, I'm out.
[44:46] Speaker 2: But I think what they do show here is that, like,
[44:48] Speaker 2: their relationship is.
[44:52] Speaker 1: Solid.
[44:52] Speaker 2: Like, they want to work on it. They love each other.
[44:55] Speaker 1: They do love... I've been with them.
[44:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[44:57] Speaker 1: And they do love each other. And he is... And
[45:00] Speaker 1: she's what she's accountable. She's like, listen, I'm not easy.
[45:05] Speaker 1: I am. I am rough. And he is a good man.
[45:08] Speaker 1: And I've seen him. He's like kind of like they're
[45:11] Speaker 1: yin and yang. You know, he's very easygoing. Yeah. So easygoing.
[45:18] Speaker 1: And she's very like type A.
[45:21] Speaker 2: But I think for the like, I mean, I've seen
[45:23] Speaker 2: Tamara cry a lot. But when I saw her cry
[45:25] Speaker 2: in this episode. about Eddie, it was a different kind
[45:28] Speaker 2: of cry. Like I felt her like whole body choke up.
[45:31] Speaker 1: Like, like she was like, she had that lump in
[45:33] Speaker 1: her throat. Yeah.
[45:34] Speaker 2: Like you could tell, like.
[45:35] Speaker 1: It would, like if she lost him, it would kill her.
[45:39] Speaker 1: I hope that he saw that. And I hope that
[45:42] Speaker 1: he felt if he remembers that next time he wants
[45:45] Speaker 1: to kill her or next time she's being a bitch. Yeah.
[45:48] Speaker 2: Next time you want, like next time he wants to
[45:50] Speaker 2: throw that word around. But I think, um, Then we
[45:54] Speaker 2: get to Shannon FaceTiming Tamara. So they're done with the night.
[45:59] Speaker 2: They end it with like, all right, we're all going
[46:01] Speaker 2: to bed now. You know, like, so then production leaves.
[46:05] Speaker 2: They probably have.
[46:06] Speaker 1: Did they really have? I mean, that poor guy was
[46:09] Speaker 1: holding out for like the whole out. Like he was
[46:11] Speaker 1: just sitting with a smile on his face.
[46:12] Speaker 2: They had to have, with all that effort, they had
[46:14] Speaker 2: to have gotten it in. But then.
[46:18] Speaker 1: That was a, that was a hot. that was a
[46:21] Speaker 1: hot scene. I'm sorry. It was like, what about when
[46:23] Speaker 1: he was like with her finger?
[46:25] Speaker 2: He was like, I actually thought that was hot. I got,
[46:28] Speaker 2: that was hot.
[46:29] Speaker 1: I got the little movement on that.
[46:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[46:33] Speaker 1: But then they, they pan away and you hear her go.
[46:37] Speaker 2: Cause she felt a little bit.
[46:40] Speaker 1: I'm sweating right now.
[46:42] Speaker 2: Yeah. Tamara.
[46:42] Speaker 1: We're so proud of you.
[46:44] Speaker 2: Good job for bringing it back to him. So then
[46:46] Speaker 2: Shannon FaceTime's Tamara and says that it's Vicky's birthday. and
[46:51] Speaker 2: wants the three of them to meet instead. You can
[46:53] Speaker 2: immediately tell this bothers Tamara. And she doesn't hide it.
[46:57] Speaker 2: She's like, uh, okay, I guess.
[47:02] Speaker 1: Well, because it's like, what are you afraid of? Stop
[47:07] Speaker 1: acting like this. I don't have the patience for this
[47:10] Speaker 1: type of, like, going on about this. Like, you know,
[47:14] Speaker 1: Shannon's not typically... Is she, is this really the way
[47:19] Speaker 1: she is like scared, timid? Cause the first time I
[47:21] Speaker 1: met him, Shannon Bedore, she wasn't anything like that.
[47:26] Speaker 2: But I think a lot has changed in the last
[47:28] Speaker 2: two and a half years.
[47:30] Speaker 1: Yes.
[47:31] Speaker 2: I think a lot has changed.
[47:33] Speaker 1: That's for sure. I mean, it's like somebody who's been,
[47:38] Speaker 1: you know, through it like traumatic, like, you know, she's fragile,
[47:40] Speaker 1: like you said, but you know, I, the first time
[47:43] Speaker 1: I met Shannon, she, Was not that nice. And that
[47:47] Speaker 1: was 10 years ago. Yeah.
[47:49] Speaker 2: She wasn't that nice to you?
[47:51] Speaker 1: Nope. What'd she do? So it was my first trip
[47:57] Speaker 1: as a housewife. Yeah. I think I went to Atlanta, Georgia.
[48:02] Speaker 1: We were doing like a party together. She kept me
[48:07] Speaker 1: out of every conversation.
[48:09] Speaker 2: Like put her back towards you?
[48:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. And acted like she, we were with Jamie. He
[48:14] Speaker 1: was like our, the guy that like, you know, our
[48:18] Speaker 1: handler and, uh, only spoke to him about their dealings
[48:24] Speaker 1: and things that they've done together. And I sat there
[48:27] Speaker 1: like not a part of any type of conversation. I
[48:30] Speaker 1: remember specifically saying that like about her house, she had
[48:35] Speaker 1: a big house at the time, right? Yeah.
[48:38] Speaker 2: Because that's when she still was with David.
[48:40] Speaker 1: Okay. Talking about her house and things like that. And
[48:45] Speaker 1: I tried to enter into the conversation a couple of
[48:47] Speaker 1: times and I never forgot. It wasn't nice. No. So
[48:52] Speaker 1: I don't know Shannon to always like, I don't think
[48:55] Speaker 1: she's always like, and I was really excited to be there.
[48:57] Speaker 1: Like they had me and my kids pictures in my
[48:59] Speaker 1: room when I got there. It felt like a big shot.
[49:02] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that, I think, I think things have shifted.
[49:08] Speaker 2: I think she's been a little humbled. But then this
[49:13] Speaker 2: is perfectly laid out. Vicky, Shannon are waiting for Tamara.
[49:19] Speaker 2: and they're discussing Tamara and they're like, Oh, I think
[49:21] Speaker 2: Tamara's here. I think Tamara's here. And they're like looking.
[49:24] Speaker 2: And then they're like, you see like one of their
[49:26] Speaker 2: hands go down and then you see Tamara walking into
[49:28] Speaker 2: Javier's where the other girls are.
[49:30] Speaker 1: That was, that was perfectly played.
[49:35] Speaker 2: Perfectly played. Cut that out where I said paid. Um,
[49:38] Speaker 2: but then, This is where it continues on. So she
[49:41] Speaker 2: sits down and all the girls are like, Heather's like,
[49:44] Speaker 2: you don't mind that I invited Tamara. And they're like joking.
[49:46] Speaker 2: They're like, oh, yeah, we mind. Ha ha ha ha.
[49:48] Speaker 2: You know, like whatever.
[49:49] Speaker 1: They really did.
[49:49] Speaker 2: But and then Tamara is like, oh, well, yeah, I
[49:55] Speaker 2: was supposed to be with Shannon for her birthday, but
[49:58] Speaker 2: then she wanted to be me, her and Vicky. So
[50:00] Speaker 2: then I just sent Vicky flowers to the table.
[50:04] Speaker 1: Well, it's always that bad. Those flat, when you see
[50:08] Speaker 1: those flowers coming, like remember when the flowers were sent
[50:11] Speaker 1: on my episode? Yeah.
[50:13] Speaker 2: Like did Marge send them?
[50:14] Speaker 1: Marge sent a funeral arrangement when we were having a
[50:17] Speaker 1: meeting with James Leonard and Teresa, Jackie, Jen, Danielle Cabral. Gee,
[50:24] Speaker 1: it was at the table. And it was basically about
[50:30] Speaker 1: stuff that they had revealed. No need to rehash that.
[50:34] Speaker 1: And all of a sudden you see on the camera,
[50:36] Speaker 1: there's like a funeral arrangement at the tour. And I
[50:40] Speaker 1: think it read, um, my deepest sympathy to your pride
[50:44] Speaker 1: or something. I don't even remember. It was like my
[50:49] Speaker 1: deepest sympathies for whatever. So Teresa yelled at the poor guy,
[50:52] Speaker 1: almost cried, told him to get off the property.
[50:54] Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. That is, I mean, this was kind
[50:59] Speaker 2: of one of those moments.
[51:01] Speaker 1: It was one of those moments for me. I felt like, yeah.
[51:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[51:05] Speaker 1: I was like, well, sorry for the loss of your dignity.
[51:11] Speaker 1: Sorry for the loss of your dignity.
[51:14] Speaker 2: Well, this one was signed from Tamara Judge.
[51:17] Speaker 1: I mean, Tamara.
[51:18] Speaker 2: I'm sorry. This one was signed from Tamara Grudge.
[51:21] Speaker 1: I will never call her Tamara Judge again.
[51:23] Speaker 2: I have to remember that she's grudge only.
[51:26] Speaker 1: Only grudge. We only call her Tamra Grudge. She, like,
[51:31] Speaker 1: that was so good. Yeah.
[51:33] Speaker 2: I feel like, well, she also, she did a perfect
[51:36] Speaker 2: amount of passive aggressiveness. Like, she's like, I didn't want
[51:39] Speaker 2: to make Shannon feel uncomfortable. Knowing good and well Shannon's
[51:42] Speaker 2: going to be there while she's reading this note for.
[51:44] Speaker 1: The full hours. So then Shannon's like, told you so. See,
[51:48] Speaker 1: I was right about everything. I knew I felt this
[51:52] Speaker 1: way for a reason. I thought they were beautiful flowers,
[51:56] Speaker 1: by the way.
[51:57] Speaker 2: Those were nice flowers.
[51:57] Speaker 1: They were not cheap.
[51:59] Speaker 2: Those were pricey flowers.
[52:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[52:02] Speaker 2: But, I mean, I think this is what Tamara needed
[52:05] Speaker 2: to do in order for Shannon to wake up. Like, Shannon,
[52:10] Speaker 2: you're either a part of this and we're going to
[52:11] Speaker 2: get it figured out or, like, let's just... Like, yeah, like.
[52:17] Speaker 1: Shannon's got to stop being mopey. I'm tired of seeing
[52:21] Speaker 1: her crying. I'm tired of seeing her cry about being
[52:24] Speaker 1: by herself. I don't want to see it anymore. Yeah.
[52:28] Speaker 1: Be happy. Yeah.
[52:29] Speaker 2: Or just be willing to try. You can't force yourself
[52:35] Speaker 2: to be happy, but you can be willing to try.
[52:37] Speaker 1: She's acting like Tamara beat her up. I know. I
[52:41] Speaker 1: can understand if Tamara physically hurt her. Yeah. Yeah.
[52:45] Speaker 2: I mean, I but I liked the fake out. And
[52:47] Speaker 2: I was like, this doesn't really remind me of anything
[52:50] Speaker 2: from the past because it's not like Tamra's there throwing
[52:52] Speaker 2: napkins or like flipping tables or like nothing like that's
[52:56] Speaker 2: like happening.
[52:58] Speaker 1: And you know what? And who said this in this episode?
[53:01] Speaker 1: And I remember hearing this. They're both went after each other.
[53:05] Speaker 1: It's not just like it was always Tamra picking on her.
[53:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, they both.
[53:10] Speaker 1: They went. Yeah, they both went after each other. Yeah.
[53:13] Speaker 2: Um, well then Vicky fills Shannon in about Gina telling
[53:17] Speaker 2: her what Tamara said about the ring. Oh yeah. And,
[53:22] Speaker 2: but Shannon's reaction, like, what do you mean?
[53:23] Speaker 1: Hold on.
[53:24] Speaker 2: What? Oh my God. I don't believe it. I was like,
[53:28] Speaker 2: did you act this out and practice it in front
[53:30] Speaker 2: of the mirror before?
[53:31] Speaker 1: No, she acts like that all the time. Come on. No, listen,
[53:36] Speaker 1: she acts like that, you know, and you know, don't
[53:40] Speaker 1: act like, you're not used to these things being brought
[53:42] Speaker 1: up on camera either.
[53:44] Speaker 2: But that's what I mean, that level of shock. And like,
[53:46] Speaker 2: it's the first time you've heard it. Please.
[53:49] Speaker 1: She's... But, Tati, don't act like she's not an animated person.
[54:09] Speaker 2: Okay, so then... Back at Javier's, Emily leads the charge,
[54:13] Speaker 2: confronting Heather about calling Carmela trashy and not belonging with
[54:17] Speaker 2: the group.
[54:18] Speaker 1: Emily is after Heather.
[54:20] Speaker 2: I know.
[54:21] Speaker 1: She is going hard.
[54:23] Speaker 2: She is going hard.
[54:24] Speaker 1: Last season, she went after Tamara, Emily.
[54:28] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I remember. I forgot about that. I was
[54:30] Speaker 2: trying to think, who was all the drama between last
[54:32] Speaker 2: season and then now?
[54:33] Speaker 1: It was Emily and Heather a lot. Well, no, I'm sorry.
[54:37] Speaker 1: Emily and Tamara. But Tamara didn't fight with her that
[54:41] Speaker 1: much because Gretchen was there.
[54:44] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Gretchers.
[54:46] Speaker 1: Gretchers. Gretchers was last season. It was Gretchers and Tamara.
[54:51] Speaker 1: And Emily was like kind of like fighting with Tamara
[54:55] Speaker 1: a lot. And then now it's Emily and Heather.
[54:57] Speaker 2: So maybe this is the answer to our question. Maybe
[55:00] Speaker 2: Emily is the one to bring it to the group
[55:02] Speaker 2: because she's the one to bring it to this table.
[55:05] Speaker 1: She's bringing it.
[55:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, she's bringing it. She's bringing it to. I mean,
[55:09] Speaker 2: at least she's telling Heather. So it's not I hate
[55:11] Speaker 2: if she if nobody would have told Heather and we
[55:13] Speaker 2: would had to gone out the whole season with Carmela
[55:15] Speaker 2: bitching behind Heather's back that she called her, you know,
[55:19] Speaker 2: like trash when really they like Heather did the right
[55:24] Speaker 2: thing by apologizing to her for it.
[55:26] Speaker 1: Well, Heather, like you said, got ahead of it.
[55:29] Speaker 2: Yeah. But I feel like Emily was not going to
[55:32] Speaker 2: let Heather get away with it if it's the last
[55:34] Speaker 2: thing she did.
[55:36] Speaker 1: No, she wasn't. But don't forget, you have homework. You're
[55:40] Speaker 1: going to find out who was the rat.
[55:42] Speaker 2: Yeah. Who was the rat? I'm going to figure it out. Well,
[55:45] Speaker 2: then the women meet at the park for Jen's spiritual
[55:48] Speaker 2: exercise and lunch. After a non-eventful energy session, Heather pulls
[55:57] Speaker 2: Carmela aside and reveals to her what she said and apologizes.
[56:00] Speaker 1: The poor lady at the energy session, you know.
[56:02] Speaker 2: How embarrassed for her.
[56:04] Speaker 1: It's so embarrassing.
[56:07] Speaker 2: How are you feeling?
[56:08] Speaker 1: She was trying. Health?
[56:12] Speaker 2: Like, this isn't what they mean. At least Emily gave
[56:16] Speaker 2: it a shot and I think used a word that like,
[56:20] Speaker 2: or no, did Emily say family? I don't know, but
[56:22] Speaker 2: it just, no, Gina said that.
[56:25] Speaker 1: Gina said family. Emily said guilt. Oh, yeah. Guilt.
[56:32] Speaker 2: I mean, this entire I mean, you could tell that
[56:35] Speaker 2: Jen was cringing that she's brought her friend and do
[56:37] Speaker 2: this and nobody's taking it seriously.
[56:40] Speaker 1: Well, you know, it is you feel a sense of
[56:42] Speaker 1: responsibility when you bring somebody on to promote their business
[56:47] Speaker 1: or whatever. And the girls like shit all over them. Yeah.
[56:51] Speaker 2: And then you're like, oh, sorry.
[56:52] Speaker 1: They have no shame. They do it. They've done it
[56:54] Speaker 1: on my show. I never do that, though, Teddy. I
[56:57] Speaker 1: always try to be, like, really nice unless I don't
[57:00] Speaker 1: like the person.
[57:01] Speaker 2: No, it's like I try to... You try to show
[57:03] Speaker 2: up for everything and you try to be happy for them. And, like,
[57:07] Speaker 2: you also participate.
[57:12] Speaker 1: You participate. You take it serious. You're going to see
[57:15] Speaker 1: on my episodes... The girls this season with me, remember
[57:21] Speaker 1: this guys, the girls this season did not take something
[57:25] Speaker 1: serious and I got really mad about it.
[57:28] Speaker 2: Oh, see, I kind of hold it in and then
[57:30] Speaker 2: I'm mad later and then I'll just think about it forever.
[57:32] Speaker 1: There was a reason I got mad right away. It's
[57:35] Speaker 1: almost funny.
[57:36] Speaker 2: Okay, I can't wait.
[57:38] Speaker 1: But I won't tell you.
[57:39] Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear back. But then they sit
[57:42] Speaker 2: down for lunch. They get their croissant.
[57:44] Speaker 1: In a box. I think it's great and so cute.
[57:48] Speaker 2: And then Heather must have like, I was like, oh, Heather,
[57:52] Speaker 2: did you see Carmela's bank account? So you got a
[57:54] Speaker 2: glimpse of it. So you have a little combo with
[57:56] Speaker 2: her in the back. She's like, she's like, I think
[58:01] Speaker 2: you're a great girl.
[58:02] Speaker 1: But I called you trashy before I knew how much
[58:06] Speaker 1: money you had.
[58:07] Speaker 2: But then I thought that, like, Carmela's so sweet.
[58:09] Speaker 1: How do you not know how much money Carmela has
[58:11] Speaker 1: before she got on the show? We knew how much
[58:13] Speaker 1: money she had.
[58:13] Speaker 2: We knew how much money she has. But then, like,
[58:15] Speaker 2: Carmela's like, I want to, you know, there's nothing worse
[58:18] Speaker 2: than feeling like you're not enough. Like, even what there's,
[58:21] Speaker 2: no matter what they're throwing at Carmela, she's still being, like,
[58:23] Speaker 2: authentic and vulnerable and not, like, being.
[58:28] Speaker 1: I don't think she cares that much.
[58:30] Speaker 2: Well, I think when she said when you feel like
[58:32] Speaker 2: when they started in her confessional, she didn't seem like
[58:34] Speaker 2: she cared when she was talking to Heather.
[58:36] Speaker 1: No.
[58:37] Speaker 2: But when in the confessional and she's like, yeah, when
[58:39] Speaker 2: things keep getting thrown in your face like you're not enough,
[58:43] Speaker 2: it hurts.
[58:44] Speaker 1: You know. I understand her and I I think, you know,
[58:49] Speaker 1: everyone's human, right? No matter how much I never judge
[58:53] Speaker 1: anybody by the way they're acting, because I hold a
[58:56] Speaker 1: lot of things in. I'm not emotional. I don't cry.
[58:58] Speaker 1: So she might be that girl. She's been through like, listen,
[59:02] Speaker 1: I don't think she's she's been through.
[59:04] Speaker 2: She's with someone that doesn't even open his mouth.
[59:06] Speaker 1: She's with someone that doesn't open his mouth she's she's
[59:09] Speaker 1: got a temper we all know we don't know what
[59:11] Speaker 1: her life has been like she's never been back home
[59:13] Speaker 1: since she left and we don't know like she has
[59:17] Speaker 1: a tough exterior everybody's been through things in their life
[59:20] Speaker 1: that makes them handle things differently right yeah I never
[59:24] Speaker 1: judge someone by their feelings, not like not seeing their
[59:27] Speaker 1: feelings hurt. You have to remember the person's human.
[59:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[59:32] Speaker 1: Just because I don't cry doesn't mean I don't hurt.
[59:34] Speaker 2: You don't like have emotion. But they're back at the
[59:37] Speaker 2: table now. And Shannon is basically in anaphylactic shock while
[59:43] Speaker 2: Gina is questioning why.
[59:47] Speaker 1: What the hell? But wait a second. Why did her
[59:50] Speaker 1: anaphylactic shock happen at that time?
[59:53] Speaker 2: Because they were questioning her.
[59:55] Speaker 1: So she's allergic to questions?
[59:58] Speaker 2: Yes. Both. I think Tamara said she's allergic to me.
[1:00:03] Speaker 1: Because if she was allergic to the feathers or anything
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: else there, she would have sneezed as soon as she
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: sat down.
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: Well, I think Tamara addresses why she didn't show up
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: with the Shannon and Vicky lunch. And as that's happening,
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: that's when the anaphylactic shock comes into play.
[1:00:18] Speaker 1: Correct. But like I said, How? I mean, you can't
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: fake sneezing. I do believe it was real sneezing. Really?
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: What?
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: That was so fake.
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: That's actually what my sneeze smells like. Sneeze sounds like.
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: And that was not so fake.
[1:00:35] Speaker 1: Okay. I want to ask you. It was totally fake.
[1:00:41] Speaker 2: That was fake.
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: Okay. I didn't say I could do a fake one.
[1:00:44] Speaker 1: You tell me. You think that was fake?
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: Uh.
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: She had, like, snot on her chin. They were like.
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: I think at the beginning it was not, and then
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: it transpired.
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: Really, Teddy? I don't think so. I disagree.
[1:01:00] Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. Her eyes did seem, like, really
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: bloodshot afterward. Like, she couldn't get her breath. But anyhow,
[1:01:09] Speaker 2: nothing really gets cleared up between Shannon and Tamara at
[1:01:13] Speaker 2: this point. Gina then brings up how she's like, why
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: hasn't Vicky confronted you, Tamara, about the ring rumor? And
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: then you see Vicky's eyes like, what? Like, and she
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: already knows the rumor. She knows that Tamara said it
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: and she's refusing to talk about it. That's what leads
[1:01:34] Speaker 2: me to believe she does not want to.
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: She's like, if this is on TV, he's going to
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: have a fit. You know, I feel bad. Like, I
[1:01:42] Speaker 1: don't want her relationship. I think her relationship means a
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: lot to her. And I don't want, like, her to
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: have a hard time with it. Like I feel bad.
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well the girl, you can tell she feels bad too.
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: Cause the girls kind of try to chime in and
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: give their two cents. And then she's like, it doesn't matter.
[1:01:57] Speaker 2: It's none of your fucking business.
[1:01:59] Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up. I know, but he should, I
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: hope he gives her a little bit of a break.
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: I mean, come on.
[1:02:10] Speaker 2: Then I, I kind of was like, where's Jen in
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: the scene? She keeps like missing her moment to chime in.
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: Jen. Yeah. I don't know. But where was Carmela? Did
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: she have to go to bathroom? Cause she comes back
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: to a total shit show.
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: She comes back to a total shit show. And did
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: you see that she had her laptop with her?
[1:02:28] Speaker 1: Like Carmela did? Yes.
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: When they were walking for the apology.
[1:02:34] Speaker 1: Is she getting ready for a closing?
[1:02:36] Speaker 2: I think it was in case she thought Heather wanted
[1:02:39] Speaker 2: her to get the apartment. Well, any who, um, Vicky
[1:02:46] Speaker 2: then screams at Tamron and says he's going to lose
[1:02:48] Speaker 2: his shit if this is on TV. So the fact
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: that they're breaking the fourth wall means they really want
[1:02:53] Speaker 2: us to see it.
[1:02:54] Speaker 1: Yeah. But they're also want to solidify that this guy
[1:03:00] Speaker 1: has a problem with him being talked about on TV. Yeah.
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: But then it's like you. It really bugs me. It's like,
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: you know what you signed up for. Even if she
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: wasn't on the show, you know what she did for.
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: She was the OG of the OC. Hello. Hello.
[1:03:15] Speaker 1: I feel like somebody got to him. I've seen this
[1:03:18] Speaker 1: before and it was always because there was somebody else
[1:03:22] Speaker 1: influencing their idea about the show, how they talk about it,
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: what it would like, oh, it'll ruin your life. It'll
[1:03:31] Speaker 1: ruin your unscathed reputation and your casita. Like, you know,
[1:03:37] Speaker 1: I'm saying like there may be something behind this. Yeah.
[1:03:41] Speaker 2: I mean, I think he probably has something I mean,
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: we've never seen any bad things come out about him.
[1:03:47] Speaker 1: The guy's not sitting around watching Bravo. What does he
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: know anything about it? But then we go back to,
[1:03:52] Speaker 1: is she the one who was dumb enough, pillow talk,
[1:03:57] Speaker 1: looking for, you know, sometimes you look for attention from
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: your partner and you tell them things that you probably
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: shouldn't have.
[1:04:04] Speaker 2: See, but that's where I disagree with you. I think
[1:04:06] Speaker 2: she's telling him because she feels guilty. She's worried about
[1:04:10] Speaker 2: it to come out on the show. And him see
[1:04:12] Speaker 2: it before she tells him. I think she's doing it
[1:04:14] Speaker 2: right away.
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: Amateur.
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: Not because she wants comfort, but because she wants to
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: make sure she's got her bases covered.
[1:04:21] Speaker 1: Amateur. That's an amateur move.
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: I mean, but Vicky's saying that he's going to freak
[1:04:31] Speaker 2: out if this goes on TV. I'm like, you just
[1:04:33] Speaker 2: put it on TV.
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: Like, it is now.
[1:04:36] Speaker 2: Now that you've said that remark, it's on.
[1:04:39] Speaker 1: But she told Tamara. Off camera?
[1:04:43] Speaker 2: I don't know when she told Tamara.
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: Because Tamara's the one that revealed that he had a ring,
[1:04:49] Speaker 1: but he said, I think it was off camera when
[1:04:51] Speaker 1: he was in Vegas. If she's good for 90 days,
[1:04:54] Speaker 1: she gets a ring, but at 70, she screws up,
[1:04:56] Speaker 1: he takes it back. He starts from screwing up.
[1:05:02] Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, so we never actually heard the story on camera.
[1:05:07] Speaker 2: Until Tamara told us. Until Tamara told us. Um, but
[1:05:12] Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like if that wasn't enough,
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: Vicky goes off on Heather for trying to express her opinion. This,
[1:05:18] Speaker 2: that was kind of like uncalled for.
[1:05:22] Speaker 1: And no, Jen, he, she yelled at Jen.
[1:05:24] Speaker 2: Oh, first she yelled at Jen.
[1:05:26] Speaker 1: He's like, Jen, what do you, you shut up? She goes,
[1:05:28] Speaker 1: what are you yelling at me for? I'm not even
[1:05:30] Speaker 1: the one that started the conversation. She goes, cause I
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: just heard your voice. I heard you.
[1:05:34] Speaker 2: But then she yelled at Heather, too, because Heather tried
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: to interject. And she goes, you keep over interrupting me
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: and I can't even get a word. And she's like,
[1:05:42] Speaker 2: Heather's like, this is the first time I've actually spoken.
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: So Vicki was just in a state of panic. Yeah,
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: she's when this subject came up because she's worried about
[1:05:52] Speaker 1: having problems with him. Um, yeah.
[1:05:55] Speaker 2: So, and then we end the day as anybody should
[1:05:58] Speaker 2: with Vicki and Shannon accepting Christian Dior gifts from Carmela.
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: And I love her go-to like, what's your go-to gift
[1:06:07] Speaker 1: that you buy for people?
[1:06:09] Speaker 2: Regifted candles.
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: I'll take a candle. I won't give you one now.
[1:06:15] Speaker 2: No, actually I do. If you live in California, um,
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: Then I get you a pellicure gift certificate because it's
[1:06:22] Speaker 2: my favorite scrub in the entire world. Like you go
[1:06:25] Speaker 2: in and it's like a cure pellicure.
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: What's a pellicure pellicure.
[1:06:30] Speaker 2: You go in and like you, they have like this
[1:06:33] Speaker 2: shower that's above your head and it like flows water
[1:06:35] Speaker 2: on you. And then they scrub your body down and
[1:06:37] Speaker 2: then they give you a massage. It's like the best
[1:06:40] Speaker 2: when you come, I'm making you do it, but just
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: don't have a fresh spray tan.
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: Okay.
[1:06:45] Speaker 2: Okay. Um, but, Vicky's a little bit jealous, I think,
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: of Shannon's gift.
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: She's like, I'm going to return my scarf for a purse,
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: a bag.
[1:06:58] Speaker 2: My scarf and my wallet.
[1:07:00] Speaker 1: You're going to have to put some money towards that.
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I think the scarf and the
[1:07:05] Speaker 2: wallet were probably the same price as that bag.
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: She got a scarf and a wallet? I just saw
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: the scarf.
[1:07:12] Speaker 2: No, she got a scarf and a wallet.
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: So she spent the same. On each person.
[1:07:19] Speaker 2: But she just didn't get them all bags.
[1:07:23] Speaker 1: Carmella is very nice. I'm sorry. I like Carmella.
[1:07:27] Speaker 2: Carmella, my birthday is July 1st.
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: You'll be getting a bag. A Dior bag. Dior is
[1:07:32] Speaker 1: happy when they see her coming. But, you know, that's
[1:07:35] Speaker 1: like thoughtful. Yeah, I thought it was.
[1:07:39] Speaker 2: And of course, Vicky has a reason to like. I'm like, also,
[1:07:43] Speaker 2: Vicky couldn't remember your name last episode.
[1:07:46] Speaker 1: That's what she remembered her name when she got the gift.
[1:07:50] Speaker 1: But you know, then there's Shannon like tearing up over
[1:07:53] Speaker 1: the gift. Like, Oh, that's so nice.
[1:07:55] Speaker 2: I know, but she might've not been tearing up. She
[1:07:58] Speaker 2: may have just been recovering from her anaphylactic shock.
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: No, she was tearing up.
[1:08:06] Speaker 2: I know she was.
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: You said the shock was the anaphylactic thing was fake.
[1:08:10] Speaker 1: So no, no, you told me I wasn't.
[1:08:12] Speaker 2: So I believe you.
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: I don't think it was. And, but then again, she's fragile. So,
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: I think it was very nice. And I think that, um,
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: I want, I don't know if this is Shannon or
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: if this is Shannon now, but I, I'd like to
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: see a mix of an old Shannon and the Shannon now.
[1:08:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. But I thought all in all
[1:08:32] Speaker 2: this episode gave us exactly what it needed to give us.
[1:08:35] Speaker 2: We needed this. Thank you, Tamara.
[1:08:38] Speaker 1: Tamara grudge. You fixing you.
[1:08:42] Speaker 2: Tamara grudge. You did it again.
[1:08:45] Speaker 1: Slamming body. I'll give it to her. No wonder why.
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: And he's not going nowhere. Treat him like shit. Be
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: a bitch. Don't have sex if you don't want to.
[1:08:55] Speaker 1: The guy ain't leaving. He ain't leaving.
[1:08:58] Speaker 2: Well, I love this episode.
[1:08:59] Speaker 1: Jade.
[1:09:00] Speaker 2: We laughed a lot.
[1:09:01] Speaker 1: It was so fun. It's always fun when I see you.
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: I know.
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: It's always fun. But you guys make sure that you
[1:09:07] Speaker 2: keep tuning in and you leave us comments.
[1:09:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, let us know what you want. What do you
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: think of us? What do you think of what we said?
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: Do you agree with us?
[1:09:16] Speaker 2: Yeah. And who's right?
[1:09:17] Speaker 1: Me or Dolores? Dolores. About what? Anything. Who's right about
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: Shannon's anaphylactic shock? Who thinks it's fake, Tati? I think
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: it's real. Whose side are you on?
[1:09:32] Speaker 2: Well, we'll just....
[1:09:34] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[1:09:34] Speaker 2: We'll see. I think it was real-ish.
[1:09:38] Speaker 1: All right. We'll find out. All right.
[1:09:40] Speaker 2: Well, thanks, guys, for tuning in for another episode of
[1:09:41] Speaker 2: Two Teas in a Pod. We will be back next
[1:09:44] Speaker 2: week to discuss more Real Housewives of Orange County.
[1:09:47] Speaker 1: See you soon.

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