# The Twot Seat: LALA KENT & AMBYR CHILDERS

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 25 May 2026, 39 min.

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Tamra is joined by Lala Kent and Ambyr Childers, the ex of the man Lala infamously had an affair with. Find out how these two women went from hating each other to becoming the best of friends, and whether there might even be a little something more brewing between them. Plus, Lala spills on this season of The Valley, and trust us, the tea is piping hot. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Two teas and a pod which Teddy Mellencamp and Camra
[0:06] Speaker 1: je Edge.
[0:14] Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome back to another episode of The twat Seat.
[0:16] Speaker 2: I am here with two beautiful, beautiful girls, my my
[0:22] Speaker 2: virgo sister birth to share our birthdays. Obviously, I'm much
[0:26] Speaker 2: fucking older than you. Whatever, I'm not gonna let that
[0:29] Speaker 2: hold me back. But la la, oh my god, I
[0:32] Speaker 2: am Hi.
[0:33] Speaker 3: Hi, thanks for having me.
[0:34] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thanks for being here. Yes, and Amber Amber,
[0:37] Speaker 2: So I have to tell you Amber, when we met earlier,
[0:41] Speaker 2: like at eight o'clock in the morning, we are getting
[0:43] Speaker 2: We're at Bottle Rock right now. So we're doing podcasts
[0:46] Speaker 2: from Bottle Rock with iHeart and I have Sophia here
[0:49] Speaker 2: with me and her boyfriend Nico. And when we walked
[0:53] Speaker 2: out because we've got a quick coffee and a bagel,
[0:55] Speaker 2: and we walked out and we had we had a
[0:57] Speaker 2: conversation about you know, the podcast I'm doing with my
[1:00] Speaker 2: daughter and your daughter and the things you've been through
[1:03] Speaker 2: and mental health. We had. We had a very deep conversation.
[1:06] Speaker 4: Quick I like locked into my pajamas, my nipples hanging out.
[1:09] Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, guys, here's this, Like I literally Diary
[1:11] Speaker 4: of the Mouth.
[1:12] Speaker 3: I just needed someone to talk to. Yeah, And it.
[1:15] Speaker 2: Was like, I'm sharing too much. I'm sharing too much.
[1:17] Speaker 2: I go save space, Save space, and here I am
[1:19] Speaker 2: talking about it. So we walk out and Sophia goes, Mom,
[1:25] Speaker 2: I know Hamber, I know her, Like, I'm like she
[1:29] Speaker 2: fan girls out. She goes, she's on this show and
[1:32] Speaker 2: she's like and she plays like the do you play
[1:35] Speaker 2: the crazy one? Is that the.
[1:37] Speaker 3: Right he's on you? Yeah? Yeah, Candice is my character
[1:41] Speaker 3: on you. She's not crazy?
[1:43] Speaker 4: Well no, because she she was like faked your own
[1:46] Speaker 4: death because Joe.
[1:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, I was trying to kill her.
[1:49] Speaker 2: Sometimes I would like to take back death as well.
[1:52] Speaker 2: I do it on a daily basis, like blackout.
[1:57] Speaker 1: No.
[1:57] Speaker 4: And then she ends up trying to like save the
[1:59] Speaker 4: other characters in the show. They all think she's crazy,
[2:03] Speaker 4: but she's like trying to warn them about Joe and how.
[2:05] Speaker 2: You know he's a serial killer. Oh my god. Wow.
[2:07] Speaker 2: So with your acting career, you guys obviously have a
[2:11] Speaker 2: podcast together, Like how hard is it to maneuver through Now?
[2:15] Speaker 2: You picked up your life and moved to Montana with
[2:18] Speaker 2: your kids, right, how hard is it to stay in
[2:21] Speaker 2: the Hollywood scene because obviously you're an actress and raise
[2:25] Speaker 2: kids and do a podcast with this crazy bet right
[2:27] Speaker 2: here and keep it all together.
[2:31] Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just something that I feel like.
[2:33] Speaker 4: It sounds like it would be really difficult to do,
[2:35] Speaker 4: but I find that it's easier now. Time management is
[2:37] Speaker 4: a little bit hard, but like finding, you know, find
[2:40] Speaker 4: I don't have full time help like I used to,
[2:42] Speaker 4: so it's like finding help or like I use my sister.
[2:44] Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, right, I'm scheduling it because I know
[2:46] Speaker 4: Riley's going to visit her father, so I can go
[2:49] Speaker 4: out and do my things. So it's like it's a
[2:51] Speaker 4: lot of executive functioning skills which I lack, which I've
[2:54] Speaker 4: learned to like figure out how to do. But it's
[2:56] Speaker 4: fun because I can go to I can go to Montana,
[2:58] Speaker 4: I can retreat, I could be super create because it's
[3:00] Speaker 4: not like I don't have the chaos of La, and
[3:02] Speaker 4: then I could pop in and fucking just take La
[3:06] Speaker 4: by the balls.
[3:07] Speaker 3: Conquer what I want to.
[3:08] Speaker 2: She choose Montana, so.
[3:10] Speaker 4: My little sister was moving there from Colorado, and I
[3:13] Speaker 4: had a little one in sleep away camp. My older
[3:15] Speaker 4: one and I were like we have nothing to do
[3:17] Speaker 4: this summer, Let's go to Montana.
[3:18] Speaker 3: Had never been. I wanted to leave.
[3:20] Speaker 4: So I was looking at like, you know, Austin and Nashville,
[3:22] Speaker 4: all the typical places.
[3:23] Speaker 3: That you know are from La. Yeah, from La.
[3:25] Speaker 4: And I went stopped in Montana to see my sister.
[3:28] Speaker 4: And as soon as I landed into Bozeman, and you know,
[3:31] Speaker 4: it's like, I feel like only people who live in
[3:33] Speaker 4: mountaintowns or these serene places that are just gorgeous, I
[3:37] Speaker 4: just knew.
[3:38] Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, this is where I'm supposed to be.
[3:40] Speaker 2: Do you think this is your forever place?
[3:42] Speaker 3: Well, I'll have my foot in both.
[3:44] Speaker 4: You know.
[3:45] Speaker 3: I'm not like I have still a bunch of work.
[3:47] Speaker 4: In La to do, but I will always have Montana
[3:49] Speaker 4: as like my sanctuary.
[3:51] Speaker 2: Are the guy's hot there'd everywhere.
[3:56] Speaker 3: There's not a lot of rips there, No, I know.
[3:59] Speaker 3: I was like, go into some cowboys rip from Stone.
[4:03] Speaker 2: Yellow Stone in Montana. Like now there's.
[4:06] Speaker 3: Eisode they kill the horse, I said, and we're done here.
[4:10] Speaker 4: I just feel like the horse was probably like really sick,
[4:13] Speaker 4: though I don't remember.
[4:15] Speaker 3: I just remember they killed the horse.
[4:17] Speaker 2: I always think in my head, like God, forbid, like
[4:20] Speaker 2: my marriage doesn't work out, which I one hundred percent
[4:23] Speaker 2: leave it. Well, I'm like, I am going to Montana
[4:26] Speaker 2: and I'm going to find a cowboy or I'm going
[4:28] Speaker 2: to become a lesbian. I'm not quite sure. It's kind
[4:30] Speaker 2: of that's exactly where I met in my life.
[4:32] Speaker 4: Oh, really being a lesbian or like just giving up
[4:36] Speaker 4: And you know that's so like both ends of the
[4:38] Speaker 4: spectrum like hot, big cowboy or just fucking pussy.
[4:42] Speaker 2: Like yeah, I don't know what's worse though, By the way,
[4:45] Speaker 2: eat the pussy you mean, yeah, like if you're a lesbian,
[4:48] Speaker 2: for sure, that's what happens. I don't.
[4:50] Speaker 4: I know, I'm definitely not a lesbian because when you
[4:52] Speaker 4: say that, I get I get like that's not for
[4:55] Speaker 4: me because.
[4:55] Speaker 2: I don't can't do it.
[4:59] Speaker 3: It's actually sound Oh that sounds fun. I'm like I
[5:03] Speaker 3: don't what to do with that.
[5:04] Speaker 2: So oddly enough, like there was like this content creator
[5:07] Speaker 2: that was talking about housewives and they're like, is she
[5:10] Speaker 2: gay straight by whatever? And so they went through the
[5:13] Speaker 2: whole entire cast and they got to me and they're like, lesbian.
[5:16] Speaker 2: It's definitely a lesbian.
[5:18] Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, correct, you have to send me the page.
[5:23] Speaker 2: I know it's so funny. So at what point did
[5:26] Speaker 2: you because I mean we all know the story. You
[5:29] Speaker 2: were banging her husband, right, yeah, banging her husband. Okay,
[5:34] Speaker 2: let's just keep it as it was. So at what
[5:36] Speaker 2: point did you guys like come together and like, let's
[5:40] Speaker 2: like trauma bond. Maybe I don't know what.
[5:43] Speaker 3: It was, that's how it started. Yeah, And I think again,
[5:49] Speaker 3: I wasn't. It's not that I was young. I was
[5:51] Speaker 3: twenty four to twenty five when I met him, and
[5:55] Speaker 3: I was obviously drinking, and I know that I gut
[6:00] Speaker 3: was speaking to me the whole time. What he was
[6:02] Speaker 3: saying to me just wasn't adding up, and I would
[6:05] Speaker 3: use alcohol to silence that.
[6:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, so called being in denial.
[6:09] Speaker 3: Being in denial and painting all of the red flags
[6:11] Speaker 3: green and just like just deep in the Chanel bags
[6:16] Speaker 3: or the things that were being thrown at me. I
[6:18] Speaker 3: just was I couldn't keep my head above water. So
[6:21] Speaker 3: then everything shifts. And she and I had tried to
[6:24] Speaker 3: get on the same page many times, even during my
[6:27] Speaker 3: relationship with him, and I feel like every time we
[6:31] Speaker 3: made progress, I think he said he wanted us to
[6:34] Speaker 3: be there, but I don't think he actually did.
[6:36] Speaker 2: Oh, he was definitely intervening.
[6:37] Speaker 3: He would definitely do something to like kind of knock
[6:41] Speaker 3: us off again. Once everything happened, I knew a lot
[6:47] Speaker 3: of truths came out of that. Like I was made
[6:50] Speaker 3: aware that up until January of twenty seventeen, they were
[6:55] Speaker 3: wanting to work on their marriage. That was like brand
[6:59] Speaker 3: new news to me.
[7:00] Speaker 2: Wow.
[7:01] Speaker 3: And I just had to take ownership for the fact
[7:04] Speaker 3: that I actively tried to keep my head in the sand.
[7:08] Speaker 3: I actively ignored this woman when she told me, please
[7:10] Speaker 3: don't post my children. I actively tried to, whether I
[7:14] Speaker 3: wanted to admit it in those moments or not, tried
[7:16] Speaker 3: to hurt her.
[7:17] Speaker 2: So after you started dating Randall, you guys, you and Randall,
[7:23] Speaker 2: Amber and Randall were talking about working on the marriage.
[7:26] Speaker 4: It was a lot of back and forth for a
[7:29] Speaker 4: good year and then he well, I'll just say this,
[7:33] Speaker 4: I stepped out. I went to a program to really
[7:35] Speaker 4: understand where my life was because I was having I
[7:38] Speaker 4: had two small kids, and I was having a mental breakdown.
[7:41] Speaker 4: And I came back and I was like, Okay, we're
[7:44] Speaker 4: going to give this a shot. That ended with within
[7:47] Speaker 4: you know, like a matter of a couple of weeks,
[7:49] Speaker 4: because it was just inevitable that we weren't supposed to
[7:51] Speaker 4: be together. I was supposed to have two kids with him,
[7:53] Speaker 4: and we weren't supposed to be together at that point.
[7:56] Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen the guy. I've seen him. Does
[8:00] Speaker 2: he have a big dick or something?
[8:02] Speaker 3: What is it? What is it?
[8:03] Speaker 2: What is the attraction?
[8:05] Speaker 3: It's like the the only way that then I think
[8:08] Speaker 3: we're both on the same page on this is he charming?
[8:12] Speaker 3: He is so much fun.
[8:14] Speaker 2: Well, you guys got beautiful children.
[8:16] Speaker 3: To me, and I still say that, like the only
[8:20] Speaker 3: reason for him coming into my life was to make
[8:22] Speaker 3: sure that Ocean got here, because she's the most magical
[8:24] Speaker 3: human in the world, and honestly, to make this happen
[8:28] Speaker 3: because I just like love and adore this human so much.
[8:30] Speaker 3: She called me the other morning. I got a text
[8:33] Speaker 3: from you at like seven in the morning. But that's
[8:36] Speaker 3: eight o'clock Montana time. It's still fucking and all. It said, no,
[8:40] Speaker 3: by the way, not early, we're awake, okay, But usually
[8:44] Speaker 3: it's just like, hey, call me, let's talk. This was like, Hi,
[8:49] Speaker 3: I really fucking love you, baby, or something like that,
[8:51] Speaker 3: like very and so I called her and she was like,
[8:53] Speaker 3: you know, I just woke up this morning and thought like,
[8:55] Speaker 3: I just really fucking love you. I was like, I
[8:59] Speaker 3: feel that's sweet.
[9:01] Speaker 2: I would make a friend to say that to me,
[9:03] Speaker 2: and especially somebody that you guys, I mean you guys
[9:05] Speaker 2: obviously trauma bonded. We definitely am and brought you guys closer.
[9:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, and when we there's.
[9:11] Speaker 2: Connection between the two of you.
[9:13] Speaker 3: Do you ever think like, no, I have said fuck you.
[9:18] Speaker 3: I would love to like just taxes, Oh okay, well
[9:25] Speaker 3: we can make arrangements.
[9:27] Speaker 2: You're really good with your money. You're very smart with
[9:30] Speaker 2: your money. You have like financial advisors, you make sure
[9:34] Speaker 2: like you own houses. Like you're really good with your money.
[9:37] Speaker 2: And I think that has like I'm not like, oh,
[9:40] Speaker 2: you're a virgo, Like I'm not that person because I
[9:42] Speaker 2: don't know that. But I am too, Like I'm always
[9:45] Speaker 2: like I never take the money and go, oh I
[9:48] Speaker 2: need I don't get the book advancement and go I
[9:50] Speaker 2: need to buy Kelly Bag like derate. But I'm like, okay,
[9:53] Speaker 2: I'm putting the money away. I'm gonna invest it on
[9:55] Speaker 2: you do this. I want to buy a house, like
[9:57] Speaker 2: because in reality TV, Like you don't fucking know, No,
[10:02] Speaker 2: you don't. Next contracts not promised. No, And when you've
[10:05] Speaker 2: been in as long as we have, our contracts are
[10:07] Speaker 2: pretty fucking big.
[10:09] Speaker 3: Yeah they are on this big, but it can also
[10:11] Speaker 3: go away and in a matter of seconds.
[10:13] Speaker 2: But a lot of people in this industry don't get that.
[10:15] Speaker 2: They like spend, spend, spend spend. Like we see like
[10:20] Speaker 2: Windy in Atomac right, who was trying to keep up
[10:23] Speaker 2: the Joneses and doing all these things, and now she's
[10:25] Speaker 2: in court and could be going to jail, and we
[10:28] Speaker 2: have to read that. They just came out she's a
[10:30] Speaker 2: million dollars and just close.
[10:32] Speaker 3: Oh my god.
[10:33] Speaker 2: And I'm like, your house is a fucking foreclosure and
[10:35] Speaker 2: you got a million dollars in clothes.
[10:38] Speaker 3: I remember season I think it was season five that
[10:44] Speaker 3: I had brought on a new manager, and I think
[10:46] Speaker 3: I told you this Tamra where she I went out
[10:49] Speaker 3: and I found this house in Tarzana and it was
[10:51] Speaker 3: like eight seventy five and I was like, I'm fucking
[10:53] Speaker 3: buying it. And then I was dealing with that realtor
[10:57] Speaker 3: and he was like, Okay, you just need to fill
[10:58] Speaker 3: this stuff out and it was the tax portion. I
[11:00] Speaker 3: was like about that, I haven't.
[11:05] Speaker 2: Paid my taxes.
[11:06] Speaker 3: I don't really know what to do about this section.
[11:09] Speaker 3: And so my manager was like, we have to get
[11:11] Speaker 3: you teed up, and she brought on a business manager
[11:14] Speaker 3: for me and got me all teed up and I
[11:17] Speaker 3: meet with him. I mean we are constantly talking. I
[11:20] Speaker 3: feel like when I call him if I want to
[11:22] Speaker 3: make a larger purchase, like I don't just do it,
[11:24] Speaker 3: I call him and ask him. I feel like I'm
[11:26] Speaker 3: asking my dad for money. It's really I'm like, I
[11:29] Speaker 3: fucking work hard, fucking buy it. He's like, you're not
[11:32] Speaker 3: buying it, You're not buying it.
[11:34] Speaker 2: Well, I'm like that with my husband because he's very
[11:37] Speaker 2: levelheaded and he served it when it comes to money.
[11:39] Speaker 2: And I'm not a big spender. I was a single
[11:42] Speaker 2: mom for many, many years and working like two jobs
[11:45] Speaker 2: seven days a week, didn't have a pot to piss in.
[11:48] Speaker 2: But I always made my rent, fed my kids, did
[11:51] Speaker 2: all the things. So now I carry that over into
[11:54] Speaker 2: like reality TV, because it's not a fucking career. You
[11:58] Speaker 2: can be gone tomorrow, right and this big paycheck you're
[12:02] Speaker 2: getting is going to be gone. And if you haven't
[12:04] Speaker 2: built things like I had a gym and then I
[12:07] Speaker 2: had I have my CBD business in the podcast and
[12:10] Speaker 2: all these things that you built, Like there's housewives that
[12:13] Speaker 2: have done nothing I know, and when this ends, it ends,
[12:17] Speaker 2: and it ends.
[12:18] Speaker 3: And I feel like doing reality TV is also like
[12:20] Speaker 3: a drug, Like not only does does the financial obviously
[12:24] Speaker 3: get taken away. But Meghan King was talking about this
[12:29] Speaker 3: on one of the like Impact things on Hulu. She
[12:33] Speaker 3: was like, it is like a drug where when it's
[12:35] Speaker 3: taken from you, you go through a withdrawal. So it's
[12:39] Speaker 3: I always say, doing reality TV is like making a
[12:41] Speaker 3: deal with the devil.
[12:54] Speaker 2: Now you had a little bit of downtime. So when
[12:56] Speaker 2: Ben pump rolls and data and by the time you
[12:59] Speaker 2: got into the valley by the way, way, thank god
[13:01] Speaker 2: you're on the valley because they they needed you, they
[13:04] Speaker 2: needed you. Did you have that? What is my purpose?
[13:10] Speaker 2: What am I going to do? Stress of like I
[13:13] Speaker 2: lost a big paycheck? Like all that? Did you go
[13:16] Speaker 2: through all those things? You want to know?
[13:18] Speaker 3: What's so crazy is I feel like it was like
[13:20] Speaker 3: two and a half or three years that I was
[13:22] Speaker 3: off being on people's TVs, and I feel like I
[13:27] Speaker 3: was just reeling from how the last season went and
[13:31] Speaker 3: dealing with so much just like self reflection and also
[13:34] Speaker 3: just like, ay were attackment attacked. I mean, no, everyone's
[13:39] Speaker 3: perspective is going to be different. I don't feel like
[13:43] Speaker 3: how the audience treated me after that was fair at all.
[13:47] Speaker 2: Oh the robo fans sometimes are fucking assholes.
[13:51] Speaker 3: That was like the first time in my life where
[13:54] Speaker 3: I just wanted to like crawl in a hole. And
[13:56] Speaker 3: I was pregnant. I wasn't worried about money because I had.
[14:00] Speaker 2: Built Yeah, you've built other businesses.
[14:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, So my headspace was not like, oh, I'm I'm
[14:06] Speaker 3: worried about this, that and the other. It was really like,
[14:08] Speaker 3: how do I pull myself out of feeling so ashamed
[14:12] Speaker 3: and guilty and angry and resentful and also like create
[14:15] Speaker 3: a safe space to grow this baby and become a
[14:20] Speaker 3: now you know, single mother by choice. That my mind
[14:23] Speaker 3: was kind of off of, I'm not on TV, how
[14:26] Speaker 3: am I going to do this? Because I was just
[14:27] Speaker 3: struggling to like survive.
[14:29] Speaker 2: Maber do you find the same thing in scripted TV
[14:32] Speaker 2: because you're an actress, Like you get a roll and
[14:34] Speaker 2: then you're like you wait around for the next role.
[14:37] Speaker 4: Yeah, it was when when you were talking about that,
[14:39] Speaker 4: I like that happens a lot.
[14:41] Speaker 2: I saw like a visceral reaction on your face. I'm like,
[14:44] Speaker 2: so you know, I need more botox.
[14:46] Speaker 4: And that's why like my face like when my thought
[14:50] Speaker 4: expressed it like I'm having an internal conversation.
[14:54] Speaker 2: A reaction on her face. I'm like, oh she gets this, No,
[14:58] Speaker 2: and I do.
[14:58] Speaker 3: I really just so to go back to your I do.
[15:00] Speaker 3: It's it's really hard.
[15:01] Speaker 4: And I think, like no matter what, whether a musician,
[15:04] Speaker 4: a writer, a director, like an artist, reality, whatever it is,
[15:10] Speaker 4: it's hard that because what like being an artist, that's
[15:14] Speaker 4: what drives us every day.
[15:15] Speaker 2: We need to express our soul.
[15:17] Speaker 3: I do.
[15:18] Speaker 4: I need to express myself every day in some way.
[15:21] Speaker 4: So whether that's like what I've been doing lately that's
[15:23] Speaker 4: been really helpful. Is like journaling a second, Like journaling
[15:26] Speaker 4: is just another even though I'm like getting my emotions out,
[15:29] Speaker 4: but I'm also it's a it's an art.
[15:31] Speaker 3: Journaling can become an art. Are you watching Margo's Got
[15:34] Speaker 3: Money Troubles? No, but he's a writer. But she journals
[15:38] Speaker 3: and talks about herself in third person, like she says, Okay,
[15:41] Speaker 3: how do we watch this? You watch it on Apple TV?
[15:44] Speaker 3: I just got caught up. Yes, you must an El Fanning.
[15:49] Speaker 3: It is so good. But she talks because she finds
[15:51] Speaker 3: that she can be more compassionate and pinpoint what she's
[15:54] Speaker 3: going through. Yes, when she isn't in self.
[15:58] Speaker 2: I need to watch that. Have you you watched her
[16:00] Speaker 2: other show, the spinoff? Well, I think The Madison honestly,
[16:04] Speaker 2: what is that on? It's on paramon Yeah, yeah, done.
[16:09] Speaker 3: Yeah watching it? You're gonna want to move to Montana.
[16:12] Speaker 2: By the way, I want to move to Montana and
[16:15] Speaker 2: be your best friend. By sorry, I just by the way.
[16:19] Speaker 3: Stop it started started seeing a guy. I'm gonna say.
[16:22] Speaker 2: I was just gonna ask what guy made.
[16:24] Speaker 1: You do that?
[16:25] Speaker 4: I know, but I'm like all about it, and I'm like,
[16:27] Speaker 4: oh wait, wait a second, I can do the whole
[16:28] Speaker 4: get up suit. Maybe I should start an OnlyFans page
[16:31] Speaker 4: of like Hotties in the Wild oh my god, yeah.
[16:35] Speaker 3: Part of it under the LLC B.
[16:39] Speaker 4: Yeah, where like a whole like you know, I feel
[16:43] Speaker 4: like podcast Hotties in the Wild and.
[16:45] Speaker 3: Sitting on the river bank. Yeah, that's so cute. Just
[16:50] Speaker 3: say something. Amber is so fucking sexy, like ye. This
[16:54] Speaker 3: bitch gets out there and she's like fucking hiking. Then
[16:57] Speaker 3: she like is like an NBA player shooting hoops at
[17:02] Speaker 3: the gym. Then she's like out showing herself golf. I'm like,
[17:05] Speaker 3: I may be a little gay.
[17:08] Speaker 2: So have you ever been attracted to Amber?
[17:10] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[17:10] Speaker 3: I used to masturbate to her in my closet.
[17:13] Speaker 2: Wait, okay, oh god, now I'm gonna I'm not ashamed. Okay,
[17:17] Speaker 2: you will not judge me.
[17:18] Speaker 3: And she was pregnant. That's the best part. I love that.
[17:20] Speaker 2: Why were you in the closet.
[17:22] Speaker 3: Because there was no camera in the closet for my
[17:25] Speaker 3: then partner to watch me because he wasn't getting any.
[17:29] Speaker 2: There was cameras in your house.
[17:30] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what yeah?
[17:34] Speaker 2: So, oh my god, this is so interesting. So you
[17:37] Speaker 2: are with Randall and you are pregnant with his child,
[17:41] Speaker 2: your child now ocean yep. And you guys have a
[17:45] Speaker 2: good relationship at this time were not so good.
[17:48] Speaker 3: I don't know I was in there. I don't think
[17:50] Speaker 3: it where you were not in the closet, but by
[17:52] Speaker 3: the way, I knew the way the camera angles, so
[17:56] Speaker 3: I would go around to where his side was so
[17:58] Speaker 3: it wouldn't catch me.
[18:00] Speaker 2: When you asturbated in the closet. What made you think
[18:02] Speaker 2: of Amber?
[18:05] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[18:06] Speaker 2: Did you know this?
[18:06] Speaker 1: You know?
[18:07] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[18:07] Speaker 3: She she We were when I was pregnant. I could
[18:10] Speaker 3: only I couldn't get off to men like Wieners, only
[18:16] Speaker 3: women And she makes sense that'll do.
[18:22] Speaker 2: That is so funny. And at what point this is hilarious?
[18:26] Speaker 2: At what point did you guys become friends? And how
[18:27] Speaker 2: did you become friends?
[18:29] Speaker 3: There were times that like it would be like London
[18:32] Speaker 3: or Riley's birthday and you would come to the house.
[18:34] Speaker 3: That was like early on. Then we tried to get sushi.
[18:37] Speaker 3: We came to your house after you booked you for
[18:38] Speaker 3: I think hanaka or something. We went trig or treating together.
[18:41] Speaker 3: There were so many moments where I tried. There was
[18:44] Speaker 3: a time that I was a huge to you your mom,
[18:49] Speaker 3: like we had I was. It was at your old
[18:53] Speaker 3: it was at your ex fiance's old house, and it
[18:55] Speaker 3: was something and I remember I was so angry. And
[18:58] Speaker 3: so after that our ex took me and got me
[19:00] Speaker 3: Chanelle shoes in a Louis Vuitton bike. Oh that I
[19:05] Speaker 3: deserve you. They won't fit you side.
[19:10] Speaker 2: So what is your guys' relationship. I don't want to
[19:12] Speaker 2: get deep into him because I don't feel like I
[19:13] Speaker 2: don't give him any attention. But what is your guys'
[19:17] Speaker 2: relationship with him now?
[19:19] Speaker 3: Just mine's mine's pretty non existent. Like I only talk
[19:22] Speaker 3: to him when it has to do with Ocean and scheduling.
[19:26] Speaker 3: I try to keep it very and like I tell
[19:28] Speaker 3: him that when he tries to go out it, I'm like,
[19:30] Speaker 3: I want to keep this to a minimum. I don't
[19:32] Speaker 3: want to community.
[19:33] Speaker 2: Does you see Ocean a lot?
[19:35] Speaker 3: I would say he's yeah, I mean yes, enough.
[19:40] Speaker 2: Enough enough and amer do you think that your children
[19:43] Speaker 2: see their dad very often?
[19:47] Speaker 4: It's difficult because I did move to Montana. You know
[19:50] Speaker 4: they see him like, well, my youngest one sees him
[19:54] Speaker 4: probably once a month.
[19:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. It's you just do the best you can.
[20:01] Speaker 4: It's co parenting, even when you're on good terms with
[20:04] Speaker 4: your partner, can be challenging, right because things in life
[20:07] Speaker 4: come up and I don't talk to your max at
[20:08] Speaker 4: all when you're dealing with certain personalities. It's just honestly,
[20:12] Speaker 4: it's really it can be really challenging.
[20:15] Speaker 3: But your kids are older too, and they like have
[20:17] Speaker 3: a voice and they can say what they want to do,
[20:18] Speaker 3: don't want to do? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you just
[20:21] Speaker 3: do that.
[20:21] Speaker 4: I just do that.
[20:22] Speaker 2: What a crazy world? You guys like, you know, they
[20:24] Speaker 2: always say like everything happens for a reason. Yeah, And
[20:27] Speaker 2: you guys both went through something very traumatic with the guy,
[20:30] Speaker 2: and now you guys are friends, and your kids are friends,
[20:34] Speaker 2: and not only friends, but they're siblings, yes and all that.
[20:37] Speaker 3: And you may like the girls are together right now
[20:39] Speaker 3: with him.
[20:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, you make something good out of something that wasn't
[20:42] Speaker 2: that great.
[20:43] Speaker 3: Yes, And I will say Ocean, Ocean really enjoys being
[20:47] Speaker 3: with him, and that is all all that matters.
[20:51] Speaker 2: Well, that's as a mother, that's all you want, you know.
[20:54] Speaker 2: And I've been in the extreme of it, like I
[20:57] Speaker 2: have been in a situation where two kids don't talk
[21:00] Speaker 2: to their dad and one kid doesn't talk to me,
[21:03] Speaker 2: So very extreme situation. So it's like wild and my
[21:07] Speaker 2: kids are obviously in their twenties now, so it's it's
[21:10] Speaker 2: heartbreaking because I don't want my kids not to talk
[21:13] Speaker 2: to their dad, and I definitely don't want my daughter
[21:15] Speaker 2: not talking to me, right, Like it's like there's no
[21:18] Speaker 2: other pain than to have a child that is like alive.
[21:24] Speaker 2: But there's no heartbeat for you and that child, you
[21:28] Speaker 2: know what I mean.
[21:29] Speaker 3: I can't even imagine.
[21:31] Speaker 2: It's the hardest thing I've ever fucking maneuvered through. And
[21:34] Speaker 2: to this day, when people want to get at me,
[21:37] Speaker 2: they'll be like, your daughter hates you. Even friends, friends
[21:42] Speaker 2: on the show will say that, And it's just like
[21:45] Speaker 2: the most like heartbreaking, humiliating, Like there's so many way
[21:50] Speaker 2: that way below the belt that like.
[21:53] Speaker 4: It doesn't ask, like you don't say that to someone
[21:56] Speaker 4: because you know what that's like so much and I
[21:58] Speaker 4: think that's just bad karma, Like I would that's gross.
[22:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but when But the thing is is
[22:03] Speaker 2: like when there is a divorce and it is a
[22:06] Speaker 2: bad divorce and it is a public divorce, a lot
[22:09] Speaker 2: of shit happens. There's a lot of people in my
[22:12] Speaker 2: situation that are huge aless celebrities like Brad Pitt for one,
[22:17] Speaker 2: like he some of his kids don't talk to him,
[22:19] Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of being public makes it so
[22:22] Speaker 2: much worse than it should be.
[22:24] Speaker 3: Weighing in.
[22:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, speaking of that, let's talk about the valley, okay,
[22:29] Speaker 2: because we have a lot to talk. Fucking Danny Danny, Danny,
[22:31] Speaker 2: Danny Danny fucking Danny, because everything you're saying is exactly
[22:38] Speaker 2: what Janet said last year and the year before about Danny,
[22:45] Speaker 2: and now after this week's episode, I'm like, fuck.
[22:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, thank god for you. I mean, you can visibly
[22:54] Speaker 3: see that like it. Here's the thing. I don't know
[23:00] Speaker 3: what it's like to be in a marriage for that long.
[23:03] Speaker 3: But I also I don't know how to cook right,
[23:07] Speaker 3: But I know what good food tastes like. I don't
[23:09] Speaker 3: need to be in a healthy marriage to know what
[23:11] Speaker 3: one looks like and what an unhealthy one looks like.
[23:14] Speaker 3: It's just kind of like you see it in no right, Yeah.
[23:18] Speaker 3: Just like when I eat something, I know if it
[23:19] Speaker 3: tastes good, I don't know how to fucking prepare it right.
[23:24] Speaker 3: If you don't want someone to step in and say something,
[23:29] Speaker 3: then take this back to your own house where you
[23:33] Speaker 3: are staying behind closed doors. When you're in my space
[23:37] Speaker 3: where I'm staying, and you're making me feel uncomfortable, and
[23:41] Speaker 3: you're being mean to this woman who I think is
[23:44] Speaker 3: lovely and warm and fabulous, I'm fucking stepping in.
[23:48] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the last we saw was you had
[23:51] Speaker 2: a conversation with Kristen and You're like, you need to
[23:56] Speaker 2: step up as her friend. You need to do something
[23:59] Speaker 2: because we are all watching it. It's not good. You
[24:02] Speaker 2: need to say something. And I think next week we
[24:05] Speaker 2: will see, like maybe she does say something to her
[24:08] Speaker 2: or have a conversation with her. But it is so
[24:10] Speaker 2: heartbreaking to see this woman that's gone through so much
[24:15] Speaker 2: shit in her life, living in a car, not having
[24:18] Speaker 2: a home, getting with with Danny, and now Danny like,
[24:22] Speaker 2: it's fucking toxic. You can see it's if you what
[24:26] Speaker 2: we see on National TV is what we see and
[24:30] Speaker 2: you said it best, what's happening behind the scenes.
[24:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, that does worry me.
[24:34] Speaker 2: It's scary, it's sad.
[24:36] Speaker 3: And it just it just solidifies the whole reason why
[24:42] Speaker 3: I went about motherhood the second round the way that
[24:45] Speaker 3: I did because intentional, very intentional. And I just find
[24:51] Speaker 3: that now that I've been out there and I've seen
[24:53] Speaker 3: whether it's me dating or I've seen people that you know,
[24:56] Speaker 3: my friends choose, I'm like this, this is the man
[25:00] Speaker 3: is basically you have to really fucking dig deep to
[25:04] Speaker 3: find the good ones. They're not just like running rampant,
[25:07] Speaker 3: like the toxic motherfuckers are alive and well and they
[25:10] Speaker 3: will get you. They certainly will.
[25:24] Speaker 2: What do you think about Danny's apology too, Yeah, you
[25:29] Speaker 2: just publicly did a whole apology. Was it saving face
[25:32] Speaker 2: or was do you think that it was like from
[25:36] Speaker 2: the heart.
[25:36] Speaker 3: I know that some people and you have to know me,
[25:39] Speaker 3: like I kind of stay in my bubble ever since
[25:42] Speaker 3: that season that I was on a vander Pump, where
[25:44] Speaker 3: like I don't see a lot, but people tell me
[25:47] Speaker 3: things that people are saying, you know, even in your
[25:50] Speaker 3: confessionals or at the after show, like you're defending your behavior,
[25:54] Speaker 3: and now that the audience has seen it, this apology comes.
[25:58] Speaker 3: I know that feeling of watching something back and going wow,
[26:03] Speaker 3: I feel and I keep the audience out of it, right.
[26:06] Speaker 3: I think he watched it. I'm giving him the benefit
[26:10] Speaker 3: of the doubt. I think he watched it and thought, oh,
[26:13] Speaker 3: this is a mirror and I need.
[26:15] Speaker 2: To issue a statement.
[26:16] Speaker 3: I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
[26:18] Speaker 2: I think is a bad guy or a guy that
[26:22] Speaker 2: watches himself and is like, oh, I need to fix things.
[26:28] Speaker 3: We're I think that there's a lot of work to
[26:33] Speaker 3: be done. Yeah, and we filmed the reunion pretty soon.
[26:37] Speaker 3: Oh wow, And there are things that are going to
[26:39] Speaker 3: be brought up and spoken about. I don't know that
[26:42] Speaker 3: there's been a behavior shift. I know that being an
[26:46] Speaker 3: alcoholic is a self diagnosed disease. I'm not labeling him
[26:49] Speaker 3: as that what.
[26:50] Speaker 2: I think You're very smart. When you had a conversation
[26:52] Speaker 2: with him last week's episode, you said, listen, I don't
[26:55] Speaker 2: think alcohol is good for you. But I'm not saying
[26:58] Speaker 2: you have a problem.
[27:00] Speaker 3: That's right. Well, there are people who are not needing
[27:03] Speaker 3: to enter an AA room, right Like you have to
[27:06] Speaker 3: decide on your own. No one else can decide if
[27:08] Speaker 3: you need to enter AA or get sober. So for
[27:12] Speaker 3: me to even pin that on him would be completely unfair.
[27:15] Speaker 2: Right, both of you guys are sober.
[27:16] Speaker 3: Yes, we're both sober. And by the way, everyone's program
[27:20] Speaker 3: looks different depending on I should live your life. But
[27:26] Speaker 3: I just know that what I've watched, and I haven't
[27:29] Speaker 3: been around them for very long, that when you have
[27:33] Speaker 3: won too many there's a shift that happens. Because I've
[27:35] Speaker 3: been around Danny when he's not drinking or he knows
[27:38] Speaker 3: his limit, and he's absolutely lovely.
[27:41] Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you, just speaking for myself, I'm
[27:43] Speaker 2: not a big drinker. But I always say, like, when
[27:45] Speaker 2: I start filming, I'm an alcoholic for three months, And
[27:48] Speaker 2: it's true, because you drink every single day you film
[27:51] Speaker 2: because it makes things easier, it makes you, like we say,
[27:54] Speaker 2: it gives you liquid courage and all these things. I
[27:58] Speaker 2: will say, if I'm an a good place that season
[28:01] Speaker 2: and I have a few drinks, I'm fun camera right.
[28:04] Speaker 2: But if I'm not in a good place and I drink,
[28:07] Speaker 2: I can become the biggest asshole you've ever met in
[28:09] Speaker 2: your life.
[28:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that that's very common, and that's
[28:13] Speaker 3: that's the thing. Having children add such a stress on
[28:20] Speaker 3: a marriage or a partnership, and then when you have.
[28:24] Speaker 2: Then having to move to Santa Clarita four under.
[28:26] Speaker 3: Four, you moved to Clarita, it's like Siberia, like so
[28:33] Speaker 3: far away from everybody. I just I don't know that
[28:37] Speaker 3: she has much of a say in anything, and it's
[28:41] Speaker 3: just she's such.
[28:42] Speaker 2: A sweet girl. And then people will say like, maybe
[28:45] Speaker 2: she's not that sweet, and I'm like, no, I'm pretty
[28:48] Speaker 2: good judge of character, and I feel like she is
[28:50] Speaker 2: a super sweet girl that's gone through so much shit
[28:52] Speaker 2: in her life that it's like I just want to
[28:54] Speaker 2: have a family, and I want it to be good
[28:56] Speaker 2: and I'll do whatever it takes. And I'm like, but what, Dan.
[29:00] Speaker 3: It's really hard.
[29:01] Speaker 4: I don't watch the Valley. I was going to ask
[29:03] Speaker 4: you that my next question the conversation. It's being someone
[29:08] Speaker 4: who is in a marriage that went through a lot
[29:11] Speaker 4: of shit that a lot of people don't know.
[29:13] Speaker 2: They know some of it, right, they know this part
[29:15] Speaker 2: of it, they don't know.
[29:17] Speaker 3: The rest of it.
[29:17] Speaker 4: It's I have a lot of empathy for her because
[29:22] Speaker 4: the suffering is in silence is so real that like
[29:26] Speaker 4: it takes it for me personally, it almost killed me.
[29:29] Speaker 4: It literally almost killed me because I couldn't step out.
[29:32] Speaker 4: And so when I hear stories about other women who,
[29:35] Speaker 4: whatever their situation may be in their marriage and it
[29:39] Speaker 4: doesn't sound like healthy from what I'm hearing today, But
[29:42] Speaker 4: it's just it's really heartbreaking because as a friend, you
[29:47] Speaker 4: want to come in and swoop in and rescue them
[29:49] Speaker 4: or shake them till they fucking wake up, and say like,
[29:51] Speaker 4: do you not see the world and chaosity you're living
[29:54] Speaker 4: in and how unhealthy it is not only for you
[29:57] Speaker 4: but for your children. But you you can't, And that's
[30:01] Speaker 4: the most heartbreaking.
[30:02] Speaker 3: Part of it is that you can't. You have to.
[30:04] Speaker 2: They have to hit rock bottom, Danny or the wife.
[30:07] Speaker 3: What's a wife's name, Niah? Yeah, yeah, and she is
[30:10] Speaker 3: very sweet, but she'll go toes.
[30:12] Speaker 2: Oh she will, She'll go toes.
[30:14] Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you guys are gonna she stands hard
[30:17] Speaker 3: for him. She does. And you know what, Tamara, I,
[30:20] Speaker 3: I do appreciate that because that is your your husband
[30:24] Speaker 3: and the father of your children. It's just hard for
[30:28] Speaker 3: me to understand because of my experiences, right, They've hardened me.
[30:37] Speaker 3: So now when I am done dirty, I don't give
[30:40] Speaker 3: a fuck if you're the father of my kid. This
[30:43] Speaker 3: is not fucking happening. And it's hard when she has
[30:47] Speaker 3: her life experiences I have mine to come together and
[30:52] Speaker 3: have a common common understanding and ground like we just
[30:56] Speaker 3: we've lived different lives.
[30:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's no tolerance anymore. So, guys, I want
[31:01] Speaker 2: to ask you. With my daughter Sophia, we have a
[31:05] Speaker 2: lot to talk about because she doesn't have a relationship
[31:08] Speaker 2: with her dad and there is a lot of toxic
[31:10] Speaker 2: things that happened, and some might say abusive things that
[31:14] Speaker 2: have happened. How do you guys navigate through that because
[31:17] Speaker 2: you don't want to trash the father of your children,
[31:20] Speaker 2: but you also want to help people that are in
[31:23] Speaker 2: these situations. How do you navigate that?
[31:28] Speaker 3: I mean with Amber, her kids are older and they're
[31:32] Speaker 3: more aware. Yes, and there are things that she'll tell me,
[31:35] Speaker 3: and you know, her children are a direct window into
[31:39] Speaker 3: Ocean's future, right, and she'll tell me this is what
[31:42] Speaker 3: I wish I would have done differently. And there are
[31:45] Speaker 3: things that are talked about to my five year old
[31:48] Speaker 3: that I don't appreciate. I don't appreciate her feeling like
[31:54] Speaker 3: she can't come to me to tell me where she
[31:55] Speaker 3: stayed because I'm supposed to know the address of these
[31:57] Speaker 3: places where my child goes. And you think that it
[32:01] Speaker 3: could be a liability if I find out you're teaching
[32:04] Speaker 3: my child to lie. I don't fuck with that. So
[32:06] Speaker 3: I have to go to her and say, what would
[32:07] Speaker 3: you do? I didn't like the other day that Ocean
[32:09] Speaker 3: stepped to me and goes, does my dad give you money?
[32:12] Speaker 3: I said, excuse me, wow, my dad told me he
[32:15] Speaker 3: gives you money. I ended that.
[32:17] Speaker 2: Rely, I don't ever tell a child that I don't know.
[32:20] Speaker 3: And I said, you know what your dad gives you money.
[32:23] Speaker 3: He doesn't give me money because that money's oceans.
[32:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't need that money. Yeah.
[32:29] Speaker 3: But I said, he gives you money, and she goes, well,
[32:31] Speaker 3: I'm going to tell him next time that he should
[32:33] Speaker 3: just give it to me in cash. I was like,
[32:34] Speaker 3: you should tell him, no, shit, Okay, it's hard, No,
[32:42] Speaker 3: it's hard, freaking hard.
[32:44] Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you know, that
[32:46] Speaker 2: is a horrible fucking thing to put on a kit.
[32:48] Speaker 3: It's awful, and it's it.
[32:49] Speaker 2: That is all like I've dug deep into parental alienation
[32:54] Speaker 2: and that is high on it, Like I give your
[32:56] Speaker 2: mom money, Like nobody should be telling how old is she? Five?
[33:00] Speaker 1: Six?
[33:01] Speaker 2: Okay five? Telling a child like I give your mom money,
[33:05] Speaker 2: so and who knows what the context of the conversation was, right,
[33:09] Speaker 2: But you don't have a conversation with a five year old.
[33:11] Speaker 2: They don't need to worry about shit like that. And
[33:13] Speaker 2: that all falls into parental alienation, alienating that kid into thinking, well,
[33:19] Speaker 2: dad gives you money, like what like they shouldn't have.
[33:22] Speaker 3: To know that. No.
[33:26] Speaker 4: It's also like psychologically, in my opinion, a little abusive
[33:29] Speaker 4: in a way, because.
[33:30] Speaker 2: It's alienation is it's abuse yeah.
[33:33] Speaker 3: It's it's a way. It's just it's just unhealthy.
[33:36] Speaker 2: And did you deal with that with your kids when
[33:38] Speaker 2: you split from.
[33:40] Speaker 3: I deal with it. Yeah, you know, it's like it's
[33:44] Speaker 3: it's just challenging.
[33:45] Speaker 4: And I know it sounds so stupid and people are
[33:47] Speaker 4: gonna be like, yeah, but everyone's it's like if you
[33:49] Speaker 4: have a really special person and you just you know what,
[33:52] Speaker 4: you just have to keep your side of the street clean.
[33:55] Speaker 3: Like that's like the only thing where you gonna say
[33:57] Speaker 3: something I was gonna say. What makes me sad is
[34:00] Speaker 3: that our situation is not unique or different. This is like,
[34:04] Speaker 3: more times than not, how it ends. And they don't
[34:08] Speaker 3: make relationships like what you have with your partner, what
[34:12] Speaker 3: my parents had, what your parents have, It's much harder
[34:15] Speaker 3: to find. When we did our podcast and there was
[34:17] Speaker 3: that clip about what we deal with, so many women
[34:21] Speaker 3: were like, I am dealing with the exact same thing
[34:25] Speaker 3: I had. I separated when I was still pregnant at
[34:28] Speaker 3: four weeks. He got her four hours, you know, every
[34:30] Speaker 3: other week by four months, every other weekend, And you
[34:34] Speaker 3: have to just be very intentional about who you're choosing,
[34:37] Speaker 3: because most likely you will end up divorcing that person
[34:42] Speaker 3: and sharing your kid like.
[34:43] Speaker 2: That's just a fact, that's statistics.
[34:45] Speaker 3: Sixty percent of people are not going to make it.
[34:47] Speaker 2: I mean, and I will say, like, knowing your guy's
[34:49] Speaker 2: situation with him much like my situation, I'm sorry.
[34:55] Speaker 3: Sorry.
[34:55] Speaker 2: Guying happens hard.
[34:58] Speaker 3: You know.
[34:58] Speaker 2: Moving into a healthy relationship is very difficult as well,
[35:02] Speaker 2: because we have gone through these relationships that are very toxic.
[35:07] Speaker 2: When I met Eddie, I thought he didn't love me
[35:11] Speaker 2: because he didn't tell me what to wear and what
[35:13] Speaker 2: to do and how to talk and where to go
[35:16] Speaker 2: and what I can do and what I can't do,
[35:18] Speaker 2: and wasn't micromanaging my life. I honestly, I was so
[35:23] Speaker 2: groomed to think like, this is how it's supposed to be.
[35:28] Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be talk down to. I was supposed
[35:30] Speaker 2: to be told if you're not with me, you're gonna
[35:33] Speaker 2: end up in the curb and the gutter where I
[35:35] Speaker 2: picked you up from and all those things. And he
[35:37] Speaker 2: was just like, be yourself. I embrace who you are
[35:40] Speaker 2: and what you do in your individuality and your creativity
[35:45] Speaker 2: like all those things. He was so welcome to that,
[35:47] Speaker 2: and in my mind I always thought he didn't for
[35:49] Speaker 2: a long time. He doesn't love me. He doesn't love me,
[35:52] Speaker 2: So it's like a mind fucked when I do find
[35:54] Speaker 2: a guy that.
[35:55] Speaker 4: Is good, no, because then you accidentally that's brought me
[35:58] Speaker 4: to a story. And I'm so sorry that happened to you.
[36:00] Speaker 4: But I I was thinking while you were saying that
[36:02] Speaker 4: I had been on like four dates with someone recently
[36:05] Speaker 4: and they looked at me and not even aware of
[36:07] Speaker 4: the things sometimes that I say, because I really am
[36:09] Speaker 4: just trying to like be grounded and who I am.
[36:11] Speaker 4: He looked at me like held my face, he said,
[36:14] Speaker 4: who hurt you? And I was like, I have more
[36:17] Speaker 4: work to do.
[36:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
[36:19] Speaker 4: It's I wasn't even aware, like he could just like
[36:22] Speaker 4: see right through me.
[36:23] Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, yeah you will, you will,
[36:26] Speaker 2: you will acknowledge those things. And moving on to another relationship,
[36:30] Speaker 2: You're like, oh fuck, I'm not supposed to be treated
[36:33] Speaker 2: like that or this is not And when they treat
[36:36] Speaker 2: you nicely, you're like, what's your motive? Yeah? No, but yeah,
[36:40] Speaker 2: what are you? It's like, what are you doing? What
[36:42] Speaker 2: do you want from me? Y?
[36:43] Speaker 3: Yep?
[36:43] Speaker 2: So I'm just warning you moving forward, that's the next step.
[36:47] Speaker 4: We're there yeah, because I was there.
[36:51] Speaker 2: I was fucking there and it wasn't like it was
[36:53] Speaker 2: like wait what Yeah, wait, you just love me for
[36:57] Speaker 2: who I am and I could be myself right, I
[37:00] Speaker 2: can do whatever I want to.
[37:01] Speaker 3: Be fucking crazy and you still love me. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah,
[37:05] Speaker 3: it's very endearing. I love a roller coaster. Yeah.
[37:09] Speaker 2: But then Ben, also, don't you feel like you get
[37:11] Speaker 2: this fucked up mentality in your head that you crave
[37:15] Speaker 2: the chaos at some point?
[37:16] Speaker 3: Like yeah, it's my toxic trade.
[37:18] Speaker 2: This is my toxic trade of somebody I love and
[37:21] Speaker 2: you know what, it's a fight and it's like I'm
[37:23] Speaker 2: put down all the time, but you know what, like
[37:26] Speaker 2: it's it's fucking fun. Yeah, sometimes like to.
[37:30] Speaker 3: It's it's fucked up, it's fun.
[37:32] Speaker 4: I'm so glad that you understand. Oh I live like
[37:35] Speaker 4: I feel like it's a it's like a small crew
[37:37] Speaker 4: of people, well women who understand and I and I
[37:41] Speaker 4: know this. Like the energy that I'm feeling is that
[37:43] Speaker 4: you fucking get it.
[37:44] Speaker 2: Oh I get it. So I will tell you, like
[37:46] Speaker 2: even ten years after I divorced their or split from
[37:51] Speaker 2: their dagas are divorced to a while and I was
[37:52] Speaker 2: with Eddie, I still bowed down to him and was
[37:55] Speaker 2: afraid of him and would every time I got an
[37:58] Speaker 2: email or text, I was like, oh my god, what
[38:00] Speaker 2: do I have to do, Like, well, I have to
[38:01] Speaker 2: make him happy. I don't make him happy, He's gonna
[38:03] Speaker 2: come for me and all the things. And then Eddie
[38:06] Speaker 2: would look at me go, what the fuck are you doing?
[38:08] Speaker 2: You owe him not nothing, but you're so groomed to
[38:12] Speaker 2: be like this is like such toxic relationship. It took
[38:16] Speaker 2: me ten fucking years to like go, fuck you, I
[38:21] Speaker 2: don't care. I'm not responding to you. I might even
[38:24] Speaker 2: block you. Yeah, they took a long time, No, I know, okay,
[38:31] Speaker 2: but anyways, guys, thank you so much. This was like
[38:33] Speaker 2: so much fun.
[38:34] Speaker 3: I think I just feel like we were fucking key
[38:37] Speaker 3: king right.
[38:38] Speaker 2: Right right right exactly not even read off of this,
[38:41] Speaker 2: but so guys, thank you so much for tuning in
[38:43] Speaker 2: Check and likely Affair for this episode as well. And guys,
[38:47] Speaker 2: thank you so much. And I can't wait to go
[38:49] Speaker 2: out with you tonight. We can't wait.
[38:51] Speaker 3: Thanks for having us. Thank you

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