# Drink! That! Bath Water! (SLOMW Recap Ep 1-3)

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 21 Sep 2026, 51 min.

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Mikayla is officially leaving The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives… Did she make the right choice?! Why was Taylor so excited to expose her own cheating scandal? Plus, what does it say when Zac Affleck no longer gets on our nerves? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.
[0:09] Speaker 2: Hey, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Two Teas
[0:11] Speaker 2: in a Pod with myself and Teddy Mellencamp. Teddy. Hi, Tam. Hi.
[0:16] Speaker 2: This ain't Bravo that we're going to be recapping today. No, no.
[0:20] Speaker 2: This definitely ain't Bravo. This ain't Bravo.
[0:23] Speaker 3: This is a lot. We're going to be talking about
[0:27] Speaker 3: secret lives of Mormon wives and... doing episode one through three.
[0:32] Speaker 2: Yes, because as you guys know, like five episodes dropped
[0:35] Speaker 2: and it's kind of hard to recap like streaming like this.
[0:39] Speaker 2: It was a doozy. The first three episodes. It was
[0:43] Speaker 2: such like Jerry Springer. Yeah.
[0:48] Speaker 3: I mean, the fact that this I mean, they are
[0:50] Speaker 3: so messy.
[0:54] Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
[0:55] Speaker 3: But before we even get into recapping, Michaela leaving the show.
[1:00] Speaker 3: I know. I know.
[1:01] Speaker 2: It's so sad.
[1:02] Speaker 3: On her Instagram, she said, I made the decision over
[1:05] Speaker 3: a week ago after hearing some news that I will
[1:07] Speaker 3: not be continuing the show after this moment, adding I'm
[1:10] Speaker 3: not comfortable being part of something that continues to platform
[1:14] Speaker 3: behavior I don't agree with. And for me and personally
[1:17] Speaker 3: continuing to directly profit from this behavior feels wrong and unethical.
[1:21] Speaker 3: This shouldn't be relatable or entertaining in any way. It's
[1:24] Speaker 3: enabling for years, and I'm not going to be a
[1:26] Speaker 3: part of that again.
[1:27] Speaker 2: So do you think that she was potentially let go?
[1:30] Speaker 2: Or do you think that she, because they already have
[1:33] Speaker 2: another season banked, right? Yeah. I don't know.
[1:35] Speaker 3: I don't think she, I don't think she was potentially
[1:37] Speaker 3: let go. I think she's done with Taylor Frankie Paul.
[1:42] Speaker 2: And they'll just keep bringing that train wreck back. Yeah.
[1:44] Speaker 3: They're not going to. And I think that them keeping
[1:48] Speaker 3: Taylor on was enough to push Michaela over the edge. Like,
[1:51] Speaker 3: she's like, I just can't do this anymore.
[1:54] Speaker 2: Yeah. Because you could tell it really was starting to
[1:56] Speaker 2: weigh on her. Well, you can see crumbling in this cast.
[1:59] Speaker 2: And I was talking to Caden. I go, I don't
[2:00] Speaker 2: think the show's going to be around much longer. He's like, oh, yes,
[2:02] Speaker 2: it will. It's highly rated. And I'm like, it just
[2:05] Speaker 2: seems like the cast is crumbling. Divorces are happening. People
[2:08] Speaker 2: are leaving. People like Whitney are becoming, she's so talented.
[2:12] Speaker 2: She's becoming so famous that she's going to go on
[2:14] Speaker 2: to do other things. So I don't know. I guess
[2:17] Speaker 2: they've already ordered 20 episodes.
[2:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, 20 more episodes.
[2:23] Speaker 2: But don't you think it needs a little refresh?
[2:26] Speaker 3: I don't know that I think it needs a refresh.
[2:28] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:29] Speaker 3: Like, I enjoy it. I also, it makes me incredibly
[2:35] Speaker 3: uncomfortable the entire time I'm watching it.
[2:37] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, let's get right into it. So this is
[2:41] Speaker 2: one through three, guys. The season premiere opens with the
[2:43] Speaker 2: girls talking about Taylor Frankie Paul domestic violence allegations. Now,
[2:47] Speaker 2: the girls say in their confessionals there's way more than
[2:51] Speaker 2: what the public actually knows. They flash to tons of
[2:54] Speaker 2: content creators reporting on a DV and The Bachelorette being canceled.
[3:00] Speaker 2: You know what's funny about these reality shows?
[3:04] Speaker 3: What?
[3:04] Speaker 2: Bravo including. They talk about, don't talk to bloggers, don't
[3:08] Speaker 2: talk to bloggers, but they're actually employing bloggers at this point. Yeah.
[3:12] Speaker 3: At this point, they're just like letting that money roll.
[3:15] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the hard part.
[3:17] Speaker 3: For me to wrap my head around in regards to
[3:18] Speaker 3: this show is that we know that we're a season behind.
[3:23] Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, they've already done an entire season since. Like,
[3:28] Speaker 2: six is already filmed. Yeah, that's crazy. I think the
[3:32] Speaker 2: problem for me this season, like, everything was leaked. Yeah.
[3:36] Speaker 2: Everything was leaked. So we know all this stuff. And
[3:39] Speaker 2: then I keep thinking as she's talking about The Bachelorette,
[3:42] Speaker 2: and I'm like, why are you exposing this? And I remember, oh, shit,
[3:45] Speaker 2: because this was like over a year ago. And they
[3:48] Speaker 2: held on to this. Yeah.
[3:49] Speaker 3: Yeah. I know, but there's still a lot that we
[3:52] Speaker 3: had to learn. I was like, oh my gosh. So
[3:55] Speaker 3: it starts with January 6th. Taylor returns from filming The Bachelorette.
[3:59] Speaker 3: This is five weeks until production pause. Macy, Michaela, and
[4:04] Speaker 3: Jesse met Taylor's top three guys. They hoped she wouldn't
[4:08] Speaker 3: choose Doug. Of course she's going to choose the one
[4:11] Speaker 3: person that nobody else would want her to pick.
[4:15] Speaker 2: Did you catch on that Taylor unfollowed most of her cast? Yeah,
[4:18] Speaker 2: I did.
[4:19] Speaker 3: I saw that.
[4:20] Speaker 2: Like, that's crazy.
[4:21] Speaker 3: It's crazy.
[4:23] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, all the girls are thriving. They have books.
[4:26] Speaker 3: They have movies.
[4:27] Speaker 2: They have Broadway. Everyone's getting plastic surgery. Jen got her
[4:31] Speaker 2: boobs done. Jessie got her eyes done. Layla got her
[4:34] Speaker 2: boobs look uncomfortable. They look painful. They're in her throat. Yeah.
[4:38] Speaker 2: She's like, I'm like, what are you doing, girl?
[4:43] Speaker 3: In her confessional, Taylor, when she reveals that she's engaged
[4:47] Speaker 3: to Doug, and we already know what's happened. We already
[4:49] Speaker 3: know that shit's hit the fan. Like, Taylor picking the
[4:53] Speaker 3: guy with the most red flags is very on point
[4:56] Speaker 3: for Taylor.
[4:57] Speaker 2: Right, right. But then when we hear them talk on
[5:00] Speaker 2: the— or when she's talking about him or the things she
[5:03] Speaker 2: says about him, it doesn't sound like he's into her.
[5:06] Speaker 2: And she doesn't seem like she's into him either.
[5:08] Speaker 3: No, no.
[5:10] Speaker 2: So why'd they even pick each other?
[5:11] Speaker 3: I mean, we have to also remember she had sex
[5:13] Speaker 3: with Dakota the day before she left and the day
[5:16] Speaker 3: she got back.
[5:17] Speaker 2: And she says, claims she's in love with Ben. In love.
[5:23] Speaker 3: Poor Ben.
[5:25] Speaker 2: Is that the guy that she just let go?
[5:26] Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, Miranda tells Layla that Chase's DUI is now
[5:31] Speaker 3: public information. She's worried how this will affect her children.
[5:35] Speaker 3: Layla uses this lunch to give Miranda some other bad news.
[5:38] Speaker 3: Shania hooked up with Chase while she was living with
[5:41] Speaker 3: Miranda Renfrew.
[5:43] Speaker 2: Shania is nasty. Piece of shit. Like a friend coming
[5:47] Speaker 2: into your house and hooking up with your husband?
[5:52] Speaker 3: Like, ugh.
[5:54] Speaker 2: She's dead to me, too. Yeah. Like, I don't need
[5:56] Speaker 2: to ever hear Shania again.
[5:58] Speaker 3: No. I don't need to see her.
[5:59] Speaker 2: I don't want to.
[6:00] Speaker 3: I mean, I'm glad we didn't see her this season.
[6:03] Speaker 3: I don't know. And then we get kind of a
[6:05] Speaker 3: little bit of like Chase. We see how like Miranda
[6:09] Speaker 3: is constantly protecting Chase. Mm-hmm. Even though Chase pretty much
[6:14] Speaker 3: treats her like dog shit.
[6:16] Speaker 2: Well, I think Miranda is one of the most just
[6:22] Speaker 2: down-to-earth good girl on that show. Yeah. She really is.
[6:27] Speaker 2: Like she puts up with a lot of shit, and
[6:29] Speaker 2: I think she does it just because she wants to
[6:31] Speaker 2: co-parent with this guy. But he's a douche lord.
[6:36] Speaker 3: He's such a douche lord. If you follow him on Instagram,
[6:40] Speaker 3: it's unreal. And he's been posting so many things with Marciano.
[6:47] Speaker 2: Really? Yes. And it just gives me the ick like
[6:51] Speaker 2: no other. Yeah.
[6:55] Speaker 3: But Taylor invited Dakota over to her house the same
[6:58] Speaker 3: night she got home from The Bachelorette.
[7:03] Speaker 2: I mean, in her confessional, Taylor Toast production, she slept
[7:05] Speaker 2: with Dakota while being engaged to Doug. In shocking news,
[7:11] Speaker 2: Dakota also has a girlfriend, Teddy.
[7:15] Speaker 3: There's nothing that they can do to shock me at
[7:18] Speaker 3: this point.
[7:18] Speaker 2: I mean, what the actual Jerry Springer is going on here,
[7:21] Speaker 2: she's comparing Dakota to an addiction. These two thrive off
[7:25] Speaker 2: of dysfunction. I say get married and just live your
[7:30] Speaker 2: life best. Doing the shit you guys do to each other.
[7:33] Speaker 3: I can't because there's so many videos now. There's another
[7:37] Speaker 3: video leak. Did you see it? No.
[7:40] Speaker 2: From Dakota's roommate.
[7:42] Speaker 3: His name's Crew, who now Taylor Frankie Paul's gotten another
[7:46] Speaker 3: restraining order against Crew.
[7:49] Speaker 2: She'll start dating Crew soon. I mean, here is Taylor.
[7:56] Speaker 2: She's engaged, screwing her old baby daddy, who at the
[8:01] Speaker 2: last reunion, they wouldn't even look at each other.
[8:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[8:04] Speaker 2: She's in love with a guy named Ben, and she
[8:05] Speaker 2: has the balls to sit there and go, did you
[8:07] Speaker 2: fuck her? Did you fuck her? Did you fuck her?
[8:09] Speaker 2: And I'm like, shut up. Shut up.
[8:13] Speaker 3: She just can't stop. She can't stop herself. And I
[8:18] Speaker 3: understand that Dakota is obviously toxic, and he's.
[8:21] Speaker 2: Revving her up, and he gets.
[8:26] Speaker 2: Gets her to that spot.
[8:28] Speaker 3: But I also don't understand how she can even, with
[8:31] Speaker 3: a straight face, tell us that she's not in love
[8:34] Speaker 3: with Dakota, that she's in love with Ben.
[8:36] Speaker 2: Who she doesn't really know that well, by the way.
[8:42] Speaker 3: Who... I don't know that Ben's that into her either,
[8:47] Speaker 3: even though it seems like.
[8:48] Speaker 2: Oh, the way he rolled his eyes in the bathtub, like, oh, God,
[8:50] Speaker 2: I got myself a feral one.
[8:52] Speaker 3: I got myself a real toxic one.
[8:56] Speaker 2: Now, Michaela, you see the red spots. You see her
[9:00] Speaker 2: itching her skin. She talks about her health. She's now
[9:04] Speaker 2: going to a dispensary to get THC, and it has
[9:08] Speaker 2: helped her. And I'm like, hey, girl, I'll send you
[9:10] Speaker 2: some Vena.
[9:11] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I know, but I thought that was a
[9:15] Speaker 3: good scene because they were talking, she was, she kind
[9:17] Speaker 3: of made me laugh about the Mormon thing.
[9:19] Speaker 2: She was like, Mormons were also.
[9:21] Speaker 3: Against soda and now look at us. Yeah.
[9:25] Speaker 2: They, they sell it at the college there. Is that
[9:28] Speaker 2: what she was saying? Yeah.
[9:31] Speaker 3: So I think that, you know, she clearly, I'm glad
[9:35] Speaker 3: to see that her and her husband are doing better.
[9:38] Speaker 2: So who split up now at this point? Jesse and
[9:43] Speaker 2: her husband, right? Jesse at this point is still- No, no.
[9:47] Speaker 2: I mean now in real life. Currently. Currently now in
[9:50] Speaker 2: real life.
[9:50] Speaker 3: Jesse split up from her husband. Is Jen pregnant again?
[9:59] Speaker 3: She's a hard one for me to handle.
[10:02] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[10:03] Speaker 3: She's a hard one for me to handle. Layla's broken
[10:05] Speaker 3: up with Chase's brother.
[10:07] Speaker 2: Thank God.
[10:08] Speaker 3: Michaela, I remember hearing that she was taking a break
[10:13] Speaker 3: from her.
[10:15] Speaker 2: Husband, but I don't know that they actually split. She
[10:20] Speaker 2: just split from the show. No, but for a.
[10:23] Speaker 3: While she, yeah, but for a while she actually split
[10:28] Speaker 3: from him. They took a break.
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[11:01] Speaker 2: get your podcasts. While moving into their new rental, Jen
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[11:11] Speaker 2: be on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Zach wasn't thrilled.
[11:13] Speaker 2: And then he's like, topless? I'm like, isn't Sports Illustrated
[11:18] Speaker 2: like bikinis?
[11:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, but Sports Illustrated is bikinis. But Zach did a post.
[11:24] Speaker 3: The fact that I saw this, like, really makes me
[11:28] Speaker 3: worry about myself. But Zach cleared something up. He said, listen.
[11:33] Speaker 3: They cropped out what I actually said. We weren't talking
[11:37] Speaker 3: about if she could be on Sports Illustrated. We were
[11:40] Speaker 3: talking about if she was an actress making out with
[11:42] Speaker 3: other people.
[11:43] Speaker 2: Oh.
[11:44] Speaker 3: Like sex scenes.
[11:45] Speaker 2: Oh, editing at its finest.
[11:48] Speaker 3: So it was like that's what he was actually saying
[11:50] Speaker 3: no about. He wasn't saying no, she can't be on
[11:52] Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated. And the fact that I'm having Zach's back
[11:55] Speaker 3: right now really shows the level of people that were.
[11:59] Speaker 2: Do you know that Zach doesn't bug me anymore? Zach
[12:02] Speaker 2: doesn't really bug me either. And I think they both
[12:04] Speaker 2: had a little bit of a glow up.
[12:07] Speaker 3: Well, remember Zach, didn't he have like a, what was
[12:10] Speaker 3: his hair situation?
[12:11] Speaker 2: Didn't he have a long bob?
[12:14] Speaker 3: He had a bob and it was like curly. And
[12:17] Speaker 3: then he was like a real dick to Jen. But
[12:21] Speaker 3: I also, this is the part I, I mean, there's
[12:24] Speaker 3: just so many things. I mean, did you hear that
[12:27] Speaker 3: Layla's into women now?
[12:29] Speaker 2: Yes, I've seen that. I think the best thing for
[12:31] Speaker 2: her is just like work on herself for a little while. Yeah.
[12:35] Speaker 2: And then figure it out.
[12:36] Speaker 3: They very rarely show, they never have shown her ex-husband. No,
[12:42] Speaker 3: they've never shown her ex. We've only seen her kids
[12:46] Speaker 3: one time at that play park.
[12:49] Speaker 2: That's right. But evidently she's got a lot of money.
[12:52] Speaker 2: She's making a lot of money off of this journey
[12:54] Speaker 2: because she's buying that Mason guy like all kinds of presents.
[12:58] Speaker 3: I mean expensive presents.
[13:01] Speaker 2: Yeah. Like Cartier rings. Brightland watch. Trips to all over
[13:09] Speaker 2: the place. And he's like this. He's like brain dead.
[13:15] Speaker 2: Five words. I've heard him say five words.
[13:20] Speaker 3: Got a personality.
[13:23] Speaker 2: Of the rock.
[13:24] Speaker 3: Yeah. I, he, I'm not into him. I, the fact
[13:27] Speaker 3: that I like his brother more than I like him
[13:29] Speaker 3: is a problem.
[13:30] Speaker 2: Well, they're polar opposites, but I think they're the same.
[13:36] Speaker 3: Are they?
[13:36] Speaker 2: I mean, they might have the same morals, but I mean,
[13:38] Speaker 2: personality wise, one just doesn't, one doesn't talk and the
[13:43] Speaker 2: other one doesn't shut the fuck up.
[13:45] Speaker 3: But I think when they're together, they really bring out
[13:48] Speaker 3: the worst in each other. Yeah. Um, Then Jesse, Macy,
[13:53] Speaker 3: and Mikayla meet up with Taylor at a Bachelorette shoot
[13:56] Speaker 3: and find out she's engaged to Doug.
[13:59] Speaker 2: But then in that same moment, we find out that
[14:03] Speaker 2: she slept with Dakota. She just has no problem just
[14:06] Speaker 2: being like, yeah. No, she doesn't even feel bad about it. Uh-uh. No. No.
[14:12] Speaker 2: Not even for one second. She's like, she thinks it's
[14:14] Speaker 2: a game.
[14:15] Speaker 3: She's like laughing about it.
[14:16] Speaker 2: Like, but I already did, you know, with Dakota. But
[14:20] Speaker 2: everyone knew that she was going to run back to Dakota.
[14:22] Speaker 2: They have just a toxic relationship. And like, maybe, like
[14:27] Speaker 2: she said, maybe it's like a drug addiction.
[14:31] Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure it is like a drug addiction, but,
[14:33] Speaker 3: but still.
[14:35] Speaker 2: Yeah. Why even go on the bachelorette? And you have
[14:40] Speaker 2: to wonder. For the money. That's why she did it.
[14:42] Speaker 2: For fame. Now there's three guys in her life.
[14:46] Speaker 3: Well, Doug isn't even in her life, I don't think.
[14:49] Speaker 3: Doug doesn't even appear on.
[14:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, he was up until then. Until she finished filming.
[14:57] Speaker 2: But I'm sorry. This is one reason why I can't
[15:01] Speaker 2: really get into these dating shows. So you're going to
[15:04] Speaker 2: date somebody on national TV and then you're going to
[15:06] Speaker 2: get engaged to them within six weeks?
[15:08] Speaker 1: Yes.
[15:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you're going to have to not see
[15:11] Speaker 3: them and keep it private.
[15:12] Speaker 2: You shouldn't even get engaged to somebody you meet organically. Like,
[15:16] Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, oh, I met this
[15:17] Speaker 2: guy and six weeks later. I mean, it happens. I
[15:20] Speaker 2: know people that were married after a couple weeks, but
[15:23] Speaker 2: you know what? They're spending every minute together. It ended
[15:27] Speaker 2: up in divorce, yeah. Well, not just that.
[15:29] Speaker 3: They're spending– I mean, you've got to think about the
[15:31] Speaker 3: little amount of time that Taylor spent with each one
[15:34] Speaker 3: of these guys.
[15:35] Speaker 2: Yeah. Like– It starts out with whatever it is, 30 guys.
[15:39] Speaker 2: I just can't get behind these kinds of shows. It's
[15:41] Speaker 2: not my thing.
[15:43] Speaker 3: I mean, I used to be obsessed with The Bachelor
[15:45] Speaker 3: and The Bachelorette.
[15:46] Speaker 2: Sometimes it works out, you know, you know, but I
[15:48] Speaker 2: would say it's probably 1%.
[15:49] Speaker 3: Well, I think especially if you go into the show
[15:54] Speaker 3: fully not ready to be in a relationship, like, I
[15:58] Speaker 3: don't know. But also what I don't understand is why
[16:02] Speaker 3: when she's admitting that She's had sex with Dakota once.
[16:05] Speaker 3: She's come back from The Bachelorette. One, like, does she
[16:08] Speaker 3: not think she's breaking some code with The Bachelorette? That's
[16:11] Speaker 3: what her mom said.
[16:13] Speaker 2: Her mom said, do you have an NDA?
[16:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, like, how is The Bachelorette okay with this? How
[16:18] Speaker 3: has she not been fined?
[16:20] Speaker 2: Well, I think it's because they held it for so
[16:22] Speaker 2: long and they canceled the show.
[16:24] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[16:25] Speaker 2: That might be the reason because that's the only thing
[16:26] Speaker 2: I can think of because I kept going, how is
[16:28] Speaker 2: this okay? Then I'm like, well, they canceled the show.
[16:32] Speaker 2: It's been a while.
[16:33] Speaker 3: But even if they hadn't canceled the show, they hadn't
[16:36] Speaker 3: canceled the show when they filmed this season.
[16:39] Speaker 2: Also, there's been talk about airing it.
[16:43] Speaker 3: I know, but I don't think they will.
[16:44] Speaker 2: You don't think they will?
[16:45] Speaker 3: I don't think they will. I mean, I think clearly,
[16:48] Speaker 3: I mean, I think they should just put it on
[16:50] Speaker 3: another network. I don't think that ABC can air The
[16:53] Speaker 3: Bachelor like this. I just can't.
[16:56] Speaker 2: It'll be on YouTube one day.
[16:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, like Secret Lives of Mormon Wives could buy it.
[17:01] Speaker 3: And just bank all the episodes and post them.
[17:03] Speaker 2: I think somebody will buy it. Now, nothing says a
[17:06] Speaker 2: charity event like having Fruity Pebbles in the dunk machine.
[17:12] Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, the subtle dig.
[17:14] Speaker 3: And then, like, Jesse decides to call Chase out for
[17:18] Speaker 3: not having loyalty.
[17:19] Speaker 2: Oh, please. And then Layla jumps in.
[17:23] Speaker 3: And Chase says she's only there because he and Miranda
[17:25] Speaker 3: chose to swing. Not a lie.
[17:29] Speaker 2: Chase really wants a show. He does.
[17:33] Speaker 3: He really wants one.
[17:34] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he's a good villain on the show.
[17:37] Speaker 2: He is a good villain. And weirdly, this is going
[17:40] Speaker 2: to be bad, I find Chase attractive. Oh, I saw
[17:43] Speaker 2: that from day one. I also thought Dakota was attractive too.
[17:47] Speaker 2: But Chase seems drunk. I mean, drunk. Well, clearly he is.
[17:52] Speaker 3: He's gotten a DUI. Also, I don't think it was
[17:54] Speaker 3: just a DUI. Wasn't it with drugs as well?
[17:57] Speaker 2: I don't remember. I think they said cocaine. But you know,
[18:01] Speaker 2: his ex is like asking him, please don't get too drunk, please.
[18:04] Speaker 2: It's like, oh, we had a couple. I'm like, you
[18:08] Speaker 2: are already, they're talking about your DY and here you
[18:10] Speaker 2: are drunk at a scene. Not a good look.
[18:12] Speaker 3: And you're like belligerent, not making sense. Miranda's so nice
[18:15] Speaker 3: to you. Like the fact, Miranda just like lays on
[18:18] Speaker 3: the sword for him all of the time.
[18:20] Speaker 2: But I had, yeah, I had a guy laughing when
[18:22] Speaker 2: Jesse's like, you have no loyalty. I'm like, Coming from
[18:25] Speaker 2: the girl that cheated on her husband, then talked shit
[18:29] Speaker 2: about this guy, and then dumped her husband and is
[18:32] Speaker 2: now with him.
[18:33] Speaker 3: I mean, the fact that we're having to watch this
[18:35] Speaker 3: season and try and pretend that we don't realize that
[18:38] Speaker 3: Jessie has broken up with her husband.
[18:40] Speaker 2: I know. It's very hard for me. Well, this is
[18:44] Speaker 2: like doing a podcast three months and then banking it
[18:46] Speaker 2: and then airing it later. All that shit's already been
[18:49] Speaker 2: talked about. Like we've already known.
[18:51] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[18:53] Speaker 2: So after Taylor laughs and she's like, yeah, I mean,
[18:59] Speaker 2: I kind of like, you know what happened with Dakota?
[19:03] Speaker 3: Then she's like, but newsflash, guys, I'm actually in love
[19:08] Speaker 3: with someone else.
[19:10] Speaker 2: And you're like, hold on, what? I know.
[19:14] Speaker 3: And then she's like, Ben Lambert, the TikTok fling that
[19:18] Speaker 3: we met last season with the stash.
[19:22] Speaker 2: With the stash. She's nutty.
[19:25] Speaker 3: She's nutty.
[19:27] Speaker 2: But after the whole.
[19:30] Speaker 3: Charity event where they're, you know, throwing people in the
[19:33] Speaker 3: water and Chase is doing the most, the next morning
[19:36] Speaker 3: Miranda confronts Chase about his DUI and hooking up with Shania.
[19:42] Speaker 2: I mean, bless her heart. She's trying so hard to
[19:46] Speaker 2: just kind of keep some normalcy for her children. But
[19:49] Speaker 2: Miranda wants Chase. to be sober, and it ain't going
[19:51] Speaker 2: to happen.
[19:53] Speaker 1: No.
[19:54] Speaker 2: And pretty much, he's just like, oh, sorry about that. Yeah.
[19:59] Speaker 2: It can't happen again. He's like, oh, no, it won't. Yeah, sure. Yeah, like,
[20:04] Speaker 2: she's like, you know, she's living.
[20:05] Speaker 3: The fact that Shania was living at her house rent-free.
[20:09] Speaker 2: I mean....
[20:11] Speaker 3: But I also want to know how Chase doesn't care
[20:18] Speaker 3: that Shania also hooked up with Dakota before.
[20:22] Speaker 2: Like, nobody cares about this crossover of hookups. This Mormon
[20:26] Speaker 2: religion really is wholesome, isn't it? Spocking everybody from the
[20:34] Speaker 2: age of 14. Like, you're just going for it.
[20:38] Speaker 3: Then we transitioned over to New York City where Whitney
[20:41] Speaker 3: and Connor have moved for Whitney's Broadway debut in Chicago.
[20:45] Speaker 2: I found this very interesting.
[20:46] Speaker 3: Me too.
[20:47] Speaker 2: I mean, getting out of Salt Lake City, seeing them
[20:50] Speaker 2: move into an apartment in New York, her son taking
[20:53] Speaker 2: his pants off. It's just, and how exciting for her.
[20:58] Speaker 2: I know. I mean, to walk through Times Square, to
[21:01] Speaker 2: go to work and see herself every day, you know,
[21:06] Speaker 2: on the big jumbotron. I'm like, that's like an aha moment. Like,
[21:12] Speaker 2: I have made it. Yeah.
[21:14] Speaker 3: I mean, I remember we did it for Erica when
[21:17] Speaker 3: Erica was on Chicago. We walked through from like where
[21:20] Speaker 3: she was staying to, and you could see it on
[21:22] Speaker 3: the way. And it was just like, oh my God. Like,
[21:26] Speaker 3: I can't even imagine.
[21:27] Speaker 2: And there's nothing more humbling than saying, welcome to New
[21:33] Speaker 2: York with the brown water coming out of the faucet. Yeah.
[21:38] Speaker 2: They're lucky a rat didn't run by.
[21:39] Speaker 3: They're like, hold on, let's give them a bath. And
[21:42] Speaker 3: then he's like, there's brown chunks in the water.
[21:45] Speaker 2: Do you think Taylor would drink that water too? Well,
[21:47] Speaker 2: she was in New York when she drank the water. No, ma'am. No,
[21:53] Speaker 2: thank you.
[21:54] Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, little did she know what we had
[21:56] Speaker 3: already seen. But then Miranda goes over to Taylor's house
[21:59] Speaker 3: to catch up. I mean, Miranda's just such a good person.
[22:02] Speaker 2: She is. She really is.
[22:05] Speaker 3: Doug asked Taylor to take a three-day talking break, but
[22:08] Speaker 3: she's still in love with Ben. Miranda thinks she should
[22:10] Speaker 3: still be single.
[22:11] Speaker 2: Hold on.
[22:11] Speaker 3: Okay. If somebody told you they wanted to take a
[22:13] Speaker 3: three-day talking break. Bye. Bye.
[22:18] Speaker 2: Bye. But Taylor also wears Crocs and a t-shirt that
[22:22] Speaker 2: says number one Taylor. So I don't think it really
[22:25] Speaker 2: clicks with her.
[22:27] Speaker 3: But she doesn't, I don't ever see it for a moment.
[22:31] Speaker 3: And I'm wondering if we saw any of The Bachelorette.
[22:34] Speaker 3: If we would have ever seen her even like Doug
[22:36] Speaker 3: at all.
[22:37] Speaker 2: No, Doug doesn't want to talk to you because he
[22:39] Speaker 2: doesn't love you. But also, why three days?
[22:45] Speaker 3: Was that like how long he was going to be
[22:47] Speaker 3: gone with whoever he was cheating on her with?
[22:49] Speaker 2: I think he was just trying to figure it out.
[22:50] Speaker 2: Or she was saying like, I need time to relax.
[22:54] Speaker 2: And I don't know. I just keep thinking Miranda's the
[22:57] Speaker 2: only level-headed girl.
[22:59] Speaker 3: Well, I think Michaela is too.
[23:02] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I shouldn't say that. Not only. One of
[23:05] Speaker 2: the only.
[23:06] Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the only. You know, Macy, Michaela.
[23:09] Speaker 2: Yeah. Then we go on to episode two, where Leanne,
[23:12] Speaker 2: Taylor's mom's 50th birthday. Taylor tells everyone about her latest
[23:16] Speaker 2: relationship drama. Jessie shares that Chase is going to Sundance
[23:20] Speaker 2: with Marciano, and she is pissed. I mean, this is
[23:26] Speaker 2: the other problem, knowing what we know now.
[23:28] Speaker 3: So she's pissed that they're hanging out with Marciano because
[23:30] Speaker 3: she's trying to make it work with her husband. But
[23:32] Speaker 3: we already know in real time that she's with Marciano.
[23:36] Speaker 2: Yes, and it's very hard to watch. And I just
[23:38] Speaker 2: roll my eyes at Jessie every time she talks about this.
[23:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're like, I mean, not only are they
[23:45] Speaker 3: a fucking mess like those two, but they go above
[23:48] Speaker 3: and beyond to be like PDA in their Instagrams. Like
[23:52] Speaker 3: it is.
[23:53] Speaker 2: So over, he just got a tattoo of her. He
[23:58] Speaker 2: just got a tattoo. I'm not kidding.
[23:59] Speaker 3: I just saw a tattoo on his wrist of her
[24:04] Speaker 3: logo from her business.
[24:07] Speaker 2: And she's like crying and she's like, oh my gosh.
[24:11] Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is narcissism at its finest. This is,
[24:15] Speaker 2: I can't, I cannot. So that's what's hard.
[24:19] Speaker 3: Cause how are we even supposed to believe That Jessie
[24:23] Speaker 3: is wanting to be with her ex when we know
[24:26] Speaker 3: what we know now.
[24:27] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Every time she opened her mouth
[24:29] Speaker 2: and she's like, that guy's trash. That guy's horrible. How
[24:32] Speaker 2: could he go hang out knowing that I'm trying to
[24:35] Speaker 2: work on my marriage? I'm like, something tells me you're
[24:37] Speaker 2: still banging on me.
[24:38] Speaker 3: Well, Jesse's ex-husband, Jordan, remember last season? He was, like,
[24:44] Speaker 3: heated the entire time. We haven't really seen much of
[24:47] Speaker 3: him this season. And I don't know if that's because
[24:49] Speaker 3: they were further along in their breakup than they're admitting
[24:51] Speaker 3: at this point.
[24:52] Speaker 2: Yeah. But, like, she makes it very clear. Like, he
[24:58] Speaker 2: wasn't trying to be one of the boys this season.
[25:00] Speaker 3: He was just trying to get through.
[25:01] Speaker 2: I think he was just trying to get out.
[25:04] Speaker 3: You think he was trying to get out? I think
[25:05] Speaker 3: he was trying to stay in. You think so?
[25:07] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[25:08] Speaker 3: And I love how she's like, you know, I bought
[25:10] Speaker 3: a house, but I made sure to just put it
[25:12] Speaker 3: in my name.
[25:14] Speaker 2: Is this a new house or the house? No, they
[25:17] Speaker 2: just moved into a new house. Yeah. They're all talking
[25:19] Speaker 2: like she's making more money than she can spend. Yeah.
[25:23] Speaker 2: Do you believe that? Yeah.
[25:25] Speaker 3: Huh. Because I think all of her hair stuff, all
[25:27] Speaker 3: of her products that she's selling, I think, you know, it's,
[25:30] Speaker 3: it really is. I think especially in this LDS community,
[25:33] Speaker 3: like they just.
[25:34] Speaker 2: Big deal.
[25:35] Speaker 3: Big deal.
[25:37] Speaker 2: Good for her.
[25:38] Speaker 3: Then Jen says she will be attending Whitney's debut in Chicago,
[25:42] Speaker 3: despite them not talking. Do you think she was doing
[25:44] Speaker 3: this to be a nice person, or do you think
[25:46] Speaker 3: she was doing this to get at Whitney?
[25:52] Speaker 2: I think she was just doing it because she wants
[25:53] Speaker 2: to be part of the show.
[25:56] Speaker 3: She's very odd to me.
[25:58] Speaker 2: She's a little socially awkward. I don't think that she
[26:03] Speaker 2: was trying to get at Whitney, but I don't know.
[26:05] Speaker 2: I might be wrong. I don't think like these girls think.
[26:12] Speaker 2: But it's, I don't know.
[26:15] Speaker 3: She hasn't even told, the fact that Whitney finds out
[26:18] Speaker 3: through somebody else.
[26:21] Speaker 2: I mean, I think the right thing to do was
[26:22] Speaker 2: to say, you know, send her a text or something
[26:25] Speaker 2: and saying, I'm so proud of you. I'll be there
[26:26] Speaker 2: to support you. And what is Whitney going to say?
[26:29] Speaker 2: Don't bother?
[26:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, don't come.
[26:31] Speaker 2: I mean, but letting her know in advance would have been.
[26:33] Speaker 2: The adult thing to do. I mean, Whitney had to
[26:36] Speaker 2: reach out to her. Yeah.
[26:39] Speaker 3: And so I found this out.
[26:41] Speaker 2: Do you hear Jesse say that Marciano is gross and
[26:44] Speaker 2: only wants to be on the show?
[26:49] Speaker 3: And then we see, like, massive alpha male energy with everybody.
[26:52] Speaker 3: And watching this entire thing, I'm not even sure why
[26:56] Speaker 3: we needed a full scene of these guys or why
[27:00] Speaker 3: there was cameras.
[27:00] Speaker 2: Oh, and Sundance with Chase, Marciano, and Dakota when they
[27:03] Speaker 2: meet up?
[27:04] Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, why?
[27:05] Speaker 2: Why did we need that? Trace douchebags to me. Trace douchebagos.
[27:13] Speaker 2: The way that they were walking, the slow motion, the things,
[27:15] Speaker 2: the outfits. I'm like, no. And then what Marciano with
[27:19] Speaker 2: that little hair flip thing in the, no, no, I'm sorry.
[27:22] Speaker 2: I would add this one. I'd rather Jordan.
[27:26] Speaker 3: No, none of them.
[27:30] Speaker 2: No, no, thank you.
[27:31] Speaker 3: Um, And Macy, Makayla, and their husbands are at dinner.
[27:37] Speaker 3: Macy's sister, McCall, and mom, Cindy Surpriser. McCall is a
[27:41] Speaker 3: cast member of the OC spinoff.
[27:43] Speaker 2: Do we know when this OC spinoff is going to happen?
[27:46] Speaker 3: I feel like it's got to be coming up somewhat soon.
[27:51] Speaker 2: I know a girl that would be perfect for this show.
[27:53] Speaker 2: I think they've already filmed it. Yeah, they did.
[27:57] Speaker 3: Then they start debating whether Macy and Jacob should have
[28:00] Speaker 3: another baby. This is where McCall is a hard pass
[28:04] Speaker 3: for me because she's like, no, I mean, why wouldn't
[28:07] Speaker 3: you have another baby?
[28:08] Speaker 2: That's what you're put on this earth to do. She's
[28:10] Speaker 2: very religious.
[28:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, clearly.
[28:12] Speaker 2: So, yeah, she's got like, what, four or five kids? Yeah,
[28:16] Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah. But it feels very like Danny
[28:21] Speaker 2: and Nia.
[28:22] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
[28:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Jacob, was it Jacob that was going so
[28:26] Speaker 2: deep about his tautsicles that he has on ice? And
[28:30] Speaker 2: where does their soul go? Yeah, like, what do you
[28:33] Speaker 2: think happens to their soul? And what happens here?
[28:36] Speaker 3: And I actually was surprised he was doing this. Why?
[28:41] Speaker 2: Because, like, give her a freaking break. She just had
[28:46] Speaker 2: a baby.
[28:47] Speaker 3: She just had a freaking baby. Give her a break.
[28:50] Speaker 3: She's having to be, like, the wholesome one of the show.
[28:54] Speaker 3: She just had a baby. She's told you she's not
[28:57] Speaker 3: ready to have another one. Like, why do you keep
[28:58] Speaker 3: pushing the issue? And then now you bring in the
[29:02] Speaker 3: sister and the mom surprise her by coming. And then
[29:05] Speaker 3: they surprise her by telling her she needs to have
[29:08] Speaker 3: another baby.
[29:09] Speaker 2: Well, I think that that's their religion. They just have
[29:12] Speaker 2: a lot of babies.
[29:14] Speaker 3: I think it's one thing to, you know, you're just
[29:16] Speaker 3: letting it happen.
[29:17] Speaker 2: But she's like, no, I have to go through IVF.
[29:20] Speaker 2: I think that's the difference. I think not being able
[29:22] Speaker 2: to use birth control.
[29:25] Speaker 3: And just continuously getting pregnant is one thing, like the
[29:28] Speaker 3: way I think that Jen Affleck must be doing it.
[29:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[29:33] Speaker 3: But having to go through, you know, massive treatments and
[29:38] Speaker 3: IVF and all that.
[29:40] Speaker 2: Of that, that's a lot. That is a lot. Now, Jessie,
[29:45] Speaker 2: she's concerning all the plastic surgery she's getting, and now
[29:47] Speaker 2: she's trying to fix the facial work that she had done.
[29:51] Speaker 2: She talked to Michaela and Macy about her Internet feud
[29:55] Speaker 2: with Chase. She blocked him after seeing him out Marciano. Like,
[30:00] Speaker 2: why is she like, stop? Like, you're so invested in this.
[30:03] Speaker 2: It's showing that you do care about Marciano.
[30:05] Speaker 3: And I mean, the problem is we also know now
[30:08] Speaker 3: that you are invested in Marciano.
[30:10] Speaker 2: So she's sitting at her plastic surgeon's or injection place
[30:13] Speaker 2: where I'm going today. Not that one, but my own.
[30:16] Speaker 2: Getting my face a little reunion ready a few weeks prior.
[30:20] Speaker 2: And the esthetician's like, No lips. No, we're not doing
[30:25] Speaker 2: your lips. And all I can think is like, you're
[30:28] Speaker 2: way too young. You're making yourself actually look older. I
[30:31] Speaker 2: thought she looked beautiful her first season. Me too. Beautiful. And,
[30:37] Speaker 2: but now she's also saying that she regrets doing it.
[30:41] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[30:42] Speaker 2: I understand why. I understand. That crafting scares the shit
[30:46] Speaker 2: out of me.
[30:47] Speaker 3: Well, I just think she just got done one thing
[30:50] Speaker 3: after another. And it's like, I think that's one of
[30:52] Speaker 3: those things where when you're not happy, you think if
[30:55] Speaker 3: I keep changing something internally, that then it's going to
[30:59] Speaker 3: make me happy or externally. Yeah.
[31:02] Speaker 2: I mean, we've all been there, but she's so young
[31:04] Speaker 2: and just to keep doing stuff and doing stuff.
[31:07] Speaker 3: And who are these doctors that do all of these
[31:09] Speaker 3: surgeries at one time?
[31:10] Speaker 2: At once. I know.
[31:11] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[31:12] Speaker 2: I mean, you hear so many.
[31:14] Speaker 3: Horror stories about this, but like, Do they just, in Utah,
[31:17] Speaker 3: they just let you get as many surgeries as you
[31:19] Speaker 3: want as long as you can pay for them?
[31:21] Speaker 2: I guess.
[31:24] Speaker 3: But I never even heard of a lower bleph.
[31:26] Speaker 2: Yeah. They take the skin underneath your eyelashes and pull
[31:31] Speaker 2: it up. And so I had that done.
[31:34] Speaker 3: I thought you had an upper bleph.
[31:36] Speaker 2: I had them both done. When you have a lower facelift,
[31:40] Speaker 2: if you pull this, you're going to get all the
[31:42] Speaker 2: wrinkling underneath your eyes. They got to pull the skin
[31:45] Speaker 2: up as well. They don't have to, but it's better
[31:48] Speaker 2: to do it that way.
[31:49] Speaker 3: I was always wondering why they call it the upper bleph,
[31:51] Speaker 3: because clearly the bleph is you're getting both blephs.
[31:55] Speaker 2: I don't even know what bleph means. What does bleph mean?
[31:57] Speaker 2: I don't know what bleph means either.
[32:03] Speaker 3: But I just, watching this whole thing, and then they're
[32:08] Speaker 3: kind of sitting in there with her while she's doing it.
[32:11] Speaker 3: The doctor's like, enough is enough. She's trying to dissolve stuff.
[32:16] Speaker 3: She's trying to get rid of stuff. She says it's
[32:18] Speaker 3: a huge mistake. She's not even healed from the surgery,
[32:21] Speaker 3: and she's already like, this was a huge mistake.
[32:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember seeing her back on social media and
[32:27] Speaker 2: saying that, I have to delete comments. Well, then stop
[32:30] Speaker 2: posting about your face. Yeah, then stop. When Tamara turned blue.
[32:34] Speaker 3: Or green or whatever color she was, she knew what
[32:36] Speaker 3: was happening.
[32:39] Speaker 2: What color did you turn? Blue.
[32:40] Speaker 3: Blue.
[32:42] Speaker 2: Blue. And yeah, then it probably turned to a nice
[32:44] Speaker 2: shade of green as it was peeling off. That was
[32:47] Speaker 2: Obagi Blue Pill and a CO2 laser at the same time.
[32:50] Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
[32:51] Speaker 2: My face is starting to itch because I'm using that tretinoin. Yeah.
[32:55] Speaker 2: And it's starting to burn. I'm like, oh.
[32:57] Speaker 3: You're starting to feel it a little.
[32:58] Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like when it gets that ugly where you
[33:00] Speaker 2: actually look older before you look younger because your skin
[33:03] Speaker 2: gets so damn dry and peely. I'm like, can't wait
[33:06] Speaker 2: for that. You're like, loves it. Yeah.
[33:09] Speaker 3: Then Taylor, Layla, Chase, and Mason hang out. At their
[33:13] Speaker 3: friend Lydia's house. And Taylor comes clean about sleeping with Dakota.
[33:18] Speaker 2: At this point, I don't give a shit anymore. Three times.
[33:20] Speaker 3: Three times. Oh, yeah.
[33:22] Speaker 2: Not just once. Three times. I don't think Taylor.
[33:25] Speaker 3: Should ever be able to, like, have a hand in
[33:27] Speaker 3: telling anybody how to approach a relationship.
[33:31] Speaker 2: Like, the fact that we, I mean.
[33:35] Speaker 3: And also the stuff that Taylor has been posting on
[33:38] Speaker 3: Instagram right now is wild.
[33:40] Speaker 2: What is she doing now?
[33:42] Speaker 3: She's just like, she's really leaning into like the bad
[33:45] Speaker 3: girl of this. And she's like, you know, I just
[33:48] Speaker 3: have this star power that not everybody has.
[33:50] Speaker 2: And people are just jealous of it. Stop it. Yes.
[33:54] Speaker 2: And continues on and on and on.
[33:55] Speaker 3: I mean, there's been like 20 posts about how people
[33:58] Speaker 3: are just jealous at how much she just.
[34:02] Speaker 2: She keeps it up. She's going to lose everything. Yeah.
[34:04] Speaker 2: She's like, you know, it doesn't even matter if there's
[34:06] Speaker 2: drama involving me. I just have the it factor. And
[34:09] Speaker 2: then she unfollowed everybody from the cast. Yeah. Um, but it's,
[34:15] Speaker 2: it's still a lot.
[34:16] Speaker 3: Um, it's a lot.
[34:18] Speaker 2: Then the girls tell Jesse, she should leave Jordan.
[34:22] Speaker 3: She did.
[34:23] Speaker 2: She did.
[34:25] Speaker 3: She did.
[34:25] Speaker 2: I'm like, we don't even need to see this. Cause
[34:28] Speaker 2: we know that she did. We already know. Yeah. With
[34:32] Speaker 2: other dudes.
[34:33] Speaker 3: Now we know that that happened.
[34:35] Speaker 2: They're too far behind.
[34:36] Speaker 3: Um, Then in New York, Whitney FaceTimes Layla and learns
[34:40] Speaker 3: that Jen is coming to her Broadway debut. Whitney thinks
[34:43] Speaker 3: it's just disingenuous because the last thing that happened between
[34:47] Speaker 3: them was Zach showing up for their talk instead of Jen.
[34:49] Speaker 3: I had totally forgotten that she had sent Zach in
[34:52] Speaker 3: her place.
[34:52] Speaker 2: Should Whitney be happy Jen's going to support her or
[34:55] Speaker 2: is it performative like she said?
[34:59] Speaker 3: I think that Jen should have called Whitney and said, Hey, Whitney,
[35:03] Speaker 3: I'm really sorry about what happened.
[35:06] Speaker 2: I want to be there to support you. Is that
[35:08] Speaker 2: okay with you?
[35:08] Speaker 3: Like, I don't want to be there to affect anything that,
[35:12] Speaker 3: you know, like your biggest night of your life.
[35:15] Speaker 2: Well, Whitney's like, enjoy the show, bitch.
[35:17] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[35:18] Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, whatever. Okay. I really like Whitney. I
[35:21] Speaker 2: do too. She's so talented.
[35:25] Speaker 3: She's so talented.
[35:25] Speaker 2: I feel like I had no idea. Like, I feel
[35:28] Speaker 2: like they didn't really touch. Maybe they did, and I
[35:30] Speaker 2: don't remember. Like, all her training and dancing, and I
[35:34] Speaker 2: think it was one of the Dance with the Stars,
[35:38] Speaker 2: the pros said, oh, I danced my whole life with Whitney.
[35:42] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[35:42] Speaker 2: And I'm like, did we all know that? And I
[35:46] Speaker 2: also am loving Whitney's husband. Yeah. Which we didn't like
[35:49] Speaker 2: him in the past either. And he's on Dance with
[35:51] Speaker 2: the Stars, right? Yeah, Connor. He's on Dancing with the Stars.
[35:55] Speaker 2: And then she keeps doing like cameos on his reels.
[36:00] Speaker 3: To help promote him.
[36:02] Speaker 2: I love watching her dancing.
[36:04] Speaker 3: I love watching her dancing, too. I'm also know who
[36:06] Speaker 3: I'm loving watching dancing. Who? I'm loving Tyler Cameron and
[36:10] Speaker 3: Sharna Burgess's posts.
[36:13] Speaker 2: Like, I can't get enough of them. They're on Dancing
[36:15] Speaker 2: with the Stars.
[36:16] Speaker 3: Oh, somebody DMed me, and they're like, of course, they're like,
[36:20] Speaker 3: why don't you guys recap Dancing with the Stars?
[36:22] Speaker 2: I'm like, Tam would never.
[36:24] Speaker 3: And then they're like, why don't you and Tam go
[36:26] Speaker 3: on Dancing with the Stars?
[36:27] Speaker 2: And I was like, we would never. Tam would never.
[36:31] Speaker 2: We would never.
[36:33] Speaker 3: Like, we know our strengths and our weaknesses, and that
[36:36] Speaker 3: is beyond a weakness that we're.
[36:37] Speaker 2: Like, why would I want to embarrass myself like that?
[36:39] Speaker 2: I do that enough on Orange County, okay?
[36:43] Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, just even watching them practice or do,
[36:47] Speaker 3: I couldn't even do one of these reels.
[36:48] Speaker 2: And then thinking about having to compete against Jenna Dewan. No, no.
[36:53] Speaker 2: And she's like so sexy and she looks so hot.
[36:56] Speaker 3: And I'm like, me trying to do a sexy move,
[36:58] Speaker 3: it couldn't be more awkward. Right.
[37:01] Speaker 2: I mean, I'm always up for a challenge, but I
[37:03] Speaker 2: also know my limitations. Somebody's like, well, it's because people
[37:07] Speaker 2: watch it because they want to see growth.
[37:08] Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that's before everybody was famous on the show.
[37:11] Speaker 2: Well, now they hire professional dancers like Whitney. Yeah.
[37:16] Speaker 3: And if they're not professional dancers, they've already shown that
[37:19] Speaker 3: they have dance experience through.
[37:21] Speaker 1: Trained.
[37:22] Speaker 3: Yeah. They're good at it.
[37:24] Speaker 2: They have rhythm.
[37:24] Speaker 3: We have none of those things.
[37:25] Speaker 2: Which I think is not fair, honestly.
[37:28] Speaker 3: I don't think it.
[37:29] Speaker 2: I think it takes a wave.
[37:30] Speaker 3: I think it makes it for a cool, you know,
[37:33] Speaker 3: thing if you love dancing to be able to watch
[37:35] Speaker 3: somebody that's incredible dancing. But like it's also enough can
[37:40] Speaker 3: be enough. Yeah. It's going to detour people from doing
[37:44] Speaker 3: that show.
[37:44] Speaker 2: Right. Well, let's move on. So in the car, Jesse, Macy,
[37:48] Speaker 2: and Michaela plan to ambush Chase and crash Dakota's birthday party.
[37:52] Speaker 2: Jesse jokes that his car will be easy to spot
[37:55] Speaker 2: because it's a white Tesla with a breathalyzer attached. I mean,
[37:59] Speaker 2: it's not attached to the outside, but I thought that
[38:01] Speaker 2: was pretty funny.
[38:02] Speaker 3: That was pretty funny.
[38:03] Speaker 2: And then she's like, should I park here? And somebody's like, oh,
[38:05] Speaker 2: nobody's going to notice a blue G-Wagon. Yeah, nobody should
[38:09] Speaker 2: notice it.
[38:10] Speaker 3: Chase pulls up and the girls confront him. And then
[38:12] Speaker 3: Michaela says, this is our show. And he says, might
[38:15] Speaker 3: be ours now, Michaela, because I'm on it too.
[38:22] Speaker 2: He's not a leading actor on that show.
[38:24] Speaker 3: No.
[38:24] Speaker 2: He's a backup singer. Well, when Jesse asked him if
[38:27] Speaker 2: he has the same salary as them, he says, I
[38:31] Speaker 2: got more than your husband. That's actually interesting. I'm wondering
[38:34] Speaker 2: if that's true. I don't know if he meant more
[38:38] Speaker 2: than your husband in normal life or more than your
[38:40] Speaker 2: husband gets for participating on this show.
[38:43] Speaker 3: Well, I need to know how much Chase is getting paid.
[38:46] Speaker 3: And is he getting paid per episode that he appears in?
[38:49] Speaker 2: Probably. He's paying his episodic rate. He probably is getting
[38:52] Speaker 2: paid a lot because he is a shitster.
[38:54] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[38:55] Speaker 2: Let's face it. Her husband doesn't do much. I mean,
[38:58] Speaker 2: but her husband's– like, I like her husband. Yeah. So
[39:02] Speaker 2: Macy gives Dakota her book for his birthday. I just
[39:07] Speaker 2: don't even know why they're wasting their time with Chase.
[39:10] Speaker 3: I don't know why they're wasting their time with Chase.
[39:13] Speaker 3: And like, I'm not sure if I feel like if
[39:16] Speaker 3: I left my book, like one, can Dakota read?
[39:19] Speaker 2: Two, like, is it going to happen? Really? What is
[39:25] Speaker 2: the point? Yes. Okay. They got to promote your book again,
[39:28] Speaker 2: but let's, be really clear.
[39:29] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[39:29] Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I mean, oh, I might have one
[39:32] Speaker 2: of your books in the back of my car. Go
[39:35] Speaker 2: back there and look. Oh, and guess what? There's a
[39:37] Speaker 2: Sharpie right next to it.
[39:43] Speaker 1: Back to School is here, and you know what that means.
[39:46] Speaker 1: Dirty Rush is on. As campuses come back to life
[39:49] Speaker 1: and Rush Week kicks into high gear, we're taking you
[39:52] Speaker 1: inside the mysterious journey of a sorority girl, from pledging
[39:55] Speaker 1: to initiation and just about everything in between. Join me,
[39:59] Speaker 1: Gia Giudice, Daisy Kent, and Jen Fessler.
[40:02] Speaker 2: Dirty Rush takes you deep inside Greek life.
[40:05] Speaker 3: Let's get dirty.
[40:07] Speaker 1: Download the free iHeartRadio app, search Dirty Rush, and listen now.
[40:15] Speaker 3: Then Mom Talk meets up at a gym to film
[40:18] Speaker 3: contact before heading to New York.
[40:21] Speaker 2: I can't even imagine if we were like, all right, everybody,
[40:24] Speaker 2: come on, troops, let's meet. We're all going to dance around.
[40:27] Speaker 2: I mean, this is, it's a lot to take in. Yeah.
[40:34] Speaker 3: We get back to more of Whitney being surprised that
[40:37] Speaker 3: Jen is coming, but Jen says she's already committed to it,
[40:39] Speaker 3: so she'll be there.
[40:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[40:41] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[40:42] Speaker 2: Too bad. See you there.
[40:43] Speaker 3: Too bad.
[40:44] Speaker 2: Smell you later. I'm coming.
[40:47] Speaker 3: Then Taylor brings Michaela and Macy to tour homes with
[40:50] Speaker 3: her mom, who doesn't know she's slept with Dakota since
[40:52] Speaker 3: coming back from The Bachelorette.
[40:56] Speaker 2: And she probably shouldn't tell her either. I mean, she
[41:02] Speaker 2: shouldn't tell her.
[41:03] Speaker 3: But also I feel like this shows where Macy and
[41:05] Speaker 3: Michaela have reached their breaking point by enabling Taylor's bad
[41:08] Speaker 3: decisions and secrets.
[41:10] Speaker 2: Yeah. And like, how does the.
[41:11] Speaker 3: Mom not know?
[41:14] Speaker 2: I can go on with that, but I'm not going to.
[41:17] Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, because the mom seems very invested in
[41:20] Speaker 3: knowing what's going on and wanting to be on the
[41:22] Speaker 3: show as well.
[41:23] Speaker 2: Her mom is just an older version of Taylor. Yeah.
[41:27] Speaker 3: And I, but I also think I don't see Taylor
[41:31] Speaker 3: not telling her mom. Well, I mean, I feel like
[41:36] Speaker 3: she was so excited to tell everybody that. Why was
[41:39] Speaker 3: she so excited to tell everybody she was cheating on
[41:42] Speaker 3: her fiancé with multiple people?
[41:45] Speaker 2: Girl, I don't know. I don't know. Not self-aware.
[41:48] Speaker 3: Maybe it makes sense.
[41:49] Speaker 2: Well, then it gets exciting in episode three where MomTalk
[41:52] Speaker 2: makes it to New York City. Whitney thinks it'll be
[41:55] Speaker 2: good for Taylor to be on a girl's trip away.
[41:58] Speaker 2: No men. Meanwhile, Ben is waiting in Taylor's penthouse for her.
[42:03] Speaker 2: I got so embarrassed for Ben at this moment. And
[42:06] Speaker 2: I don't ever want a 10-floor penthouse with stairs.
[42:10] Speaker 3: No.
[42:11] Speaker 2: I've never even heard of that hotel.
[42:13] Speaker 3: When he was sitting right outside the elevator waiting for her,
[42:15] Speaker 3: and I was like, no, Ben.
[42:18] Speaker 2: Well, Ben, he checks in as Taylor's brother. Taylor just
[42:21] Speaker 2: seems to give zero fucks about the NDA with the bachelorette.
[42:25] Speaker 2: And then we find out that Jessie, who just said
[42:28] Speaker 2: she's not having any more procedures, wasn't there because she
[42:30] Speaker 2: had a breast procedure that she's having pain.
[42:33] Speaker 3: Yeah. And we're like, hold on, there's more surgeries.
[42:40] Speaker 2: But she's still coming.
[42:41] Speaker 3: She's just waiting an extra day because she wants to
[42:43] Speaker 3: heal a little more. I'm like, I'm sure that day
[42:45] Speaker 3: is going to do it. But then Taylor joins the
[42:49] Speaker 3: girls for dinner with, I feel like guilt is painted
[42:52] Speaker 3: all over her face.
[42:54] Speaker 2: Well, I almost feel like she wanted it to get out.
[42:56] Speaker 2: She's like, I'm like, what are you doing? I just
[43:03] Speaker 2: got to go. I got to go. Oh, is there
[43:07] Speaker 2: a guy? And then she leads them on, like, are
[43:09] Speaker 2: you taking nude?
[43:09] Speaker 3: She's like, I would never take a nude. What do
[43:11] Speaker 3: you mean? I would never take a nude.
[43:13] Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, you would never do a.
[43:14] Speaker 3: Lot of things.
[43:15] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[43:16] Speaker 3: I'm so sure.
[43:16] Speaker 2: It's not a good idea. Tell my kids that all
[43:19] Speaker 2: the time. Don't ever take a nude and send it
[43:21] Speaker 2: to anybody. No, you can't. My oldest son did that
[43:27] Speaker 2: 18 years ago. We talked about this in Big Bear
[43:30] Speaker 2: the other day when he was there with his girlfriend.
[43:32] Speaker 2: And then he, she put it on the internet. Nowadays
[43:37] Speaker 2: you get sued for that. And then he, I remember
[43:39] Speaker 2: him calling me and going, mom, if you get a
[43:41] Speaker 2: Google alert with my name on it or you see
[43:43] Speaker 2: an article, do not open it. Do not open it.
[43:48] Speaker 3: And I'm like, why?
[43:49] Speaker 2: He wouldn't even tell me. Of course I'm going to
[43:50] Speaker 2: open it.
[43:52] Speaker 3: Well, then Jen asked the girls if they think Whitney
[43:55] Speaker 3: actually wants to be friends with her.
[43:58] Speaker 2: The fact that they all can muster.
[43:59] Speaker 3: Up enough fakeness to say that they think she does
[44:02] Speaker 3: is amazing.
[44:02] Speaker 1: I know.
[44:03] Speaker 2: They're like, sure, we need you to be here right now, Jen. So, yep, we.
[44:08] Speaker 3: Definitely think she's thinking about you.
[44:10] Speaker 2: You're on the top of her priority list right now.
[44:12] Speaker 2: Then you have Taylor over there nonstop texting Ben at dinner.
[44:17] Speaker 2: It was so annoying. And then she's giggling. And I'm like, oh,
[44:21] Speaker 2: my God, this girl is sending me over the edge.
[44:24] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[44:24] Speaker 2: And then she's like, then she orders every dessert on
[44:27] Speaker 2: the menu. And then leaves. And then leaves. But I'm like,
[44:32] Speaker 2: Taylor's like, oh, you know, I'm.
[44:33] Speaker 3: Going to make this bill for dinner. So expensive. But
[44:37] Speaker 3: I have no use in it. Like, I'm just doing this, like,
[44:40] Speaker 3: as if she's taking over the bill. Like, no, we
[44:42] Speaker 3: know production's paying for this dinner.
[44:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. Yeah. And, like, the guy's like, there's
[44:47] Speaker 2: a lot of desserts. You don't want to do all
[44:48] Speaker 2: of them. She's like, let's do them all. And this
[44:50] Speaker 2: is where they lost me. The whole Eminem Incorporated was
[44:54] Speaker 2: going to go check out– Taylor's room, they damn well
[44:59] Speaker 2: know that Ben's up there. I mean, this is where
[45:01] Speaker 2: the show really starts to look staged and scripted. The
[45:05] Speaker 2: girls think Taylor's using Ben to get back at Dakota.
[45:09] Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true. Don't really care.
[45:13] Speaker 3: Before that even happens, they enter and they find Ben
[45:16] Speaker 3: hidden on the third floor.
[45:18] Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, please. Well, then how about when Ben tells
[45:23] Speaker 2: Taylor he wants a stable, long-term relationship? But honey, Taylor's
[45:27] Speaker 2: not your girl. She's quite the opposite. But I felt like.
[45:31] Speaker 3: When she first saw Ben, I feel like this is
[45:34] Speaker 3: the definition of what love bombing is. I think at
[45:36] Speaker 3: first she was really into Ben. I think she was
[45:40] Speaker 3: really bringing him in.
[45:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, that TikTok relationship, long distance, really pulled her in
[45:47] Speaker 2: and made her fall in love. Well, that's why I
[45:50] Speaker 2: think it's love bombing.
[45:51] Speaker 3: I think because then she's ended up posting– picture of
[45:56] Speaker 3: flowers that he sent her, like thinking of you.
[45:59] Speaker 2: I know you're probably sick of flowers, but I want
[46:01] Speaker 2: to see you.
[46:02] Speaker 3: But I don't know. Eminem Incorporated going up there and
[46:06] Speaker 3: finding him, I agree with you, felt a little staged.
[46:09] Speaker 3: But I love Eminem Incorporated. Then the next day, Taylor
[46:12] Speaker 3: and Ben take a bubble bath together and Taylor drinks
[46:15] Speaker 3: from the faucet.
[46:16] Speaker 2: This clip is clearly going viral.
[46:20] Speaker 3: And I understand why.
[46:20] Speaker 2: Look on her face. She's so crazy. Look on his face.
[46:25] Speaker 2: He was like. He was disgusted.
[46:27] Speaker 3: You could even see his little stash like.
[46:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, but even the bubble, the whole. I don't know.
[46:36] Speaker 3: You've taken a bath with somebody. I'm not a big
[46:38] Speaker 3: let me take a bath with somebody person.
[46:40] Speaker 2: Well, this really outdid my bubble bath scene. It really
[46:45] Speaker 2: outdid it.
[46:46] Speaker 3: Also, they started, you know, back to like this looking
[46:50] Speaker 3: at each other.
[46:51] Speaker 2: And then they rotated to being.
[46:53] Speaker 3: There, and then that's when she decided to taste the water,
[46:55] Speaker 3: and he looked disgusted. I also feel no sexual chemistry
[46:59] Speaker 3: between these two.
[47:00] Speaker 2: No, it's all weird. Zero.
[47:02] Speaker 3: While shopping, Layla tells the girls that she bought Mason
[47:05] Speaker 3: a Breitling watch for going back to school. The watch
[47:07] Speaker 3: is anywhere between $ 3, 500 and $ 48, 000.
[47:11] Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big price gap. Yeah. I seriously
[47:14] Speaker 2: doubt she bought the $ 48, 000 one, but I didn't realize
[47:17] Speaker 2: you needed a watch, a fancy watch for school. I
[47:21] Speaker 2: feel like I need Layla to take a class on
[47:24] Speaker 2: how not to get used. Yeah. I also feel like
[47:27] Speaker 2: a lot of this show is endorsement stuff, even down
[47:29] Speaker 2: to the reunion where they have the swig and all
[47:31] Speaker 2: that crap. Yeah. I just feel like, oh, did Brightland
[47:37] Speaker 2: pay you to say that? The show is just a
[47:40] Speaker 2: little bit too product placement. Yeah, product placement and staged.
[47:45] Speaker 3: But the girls ask Layla what Mason has gifted her recently,
[47:48] Speaker 3: and the only thing she can think of is a soda.
[47:50] Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, you got yourself a winner. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
[47:56] Speaker 3: I've taken him on multiple vacations, but he got me
[47:59] Speaker 3: a soda once.
[48:00] Speaker 2: No, he hasn't even gotten her a chicken dinner.
[48:02] Speaker 3: Then Taylor's getting ready for the night when Ben asks
[48:06] Speaker 3: if they would raise their hypothetical kids in the Mormon church.
[48:09] Speaker 3: And Taylor's like, well, I mean, there are hypotheticals.
[48:15] Speaker 2: He's like, well, your kids are already going to the church, right?
[48:18] Speaker 2: And she's like, I'm talking about ours. I mean, girl,
[48:23] Speaker 2: weren't you engaged to another man last week? We're talking
[48:26] Speaker 2: about kids now?
[48:28] Speaker 3: And we find out in a day from now you
[48:30] Speaker 3: don't even like him, but you're making him go down
[48:33] Speaker 3: the freaking kids spiral right now? Yeah.
[48:39] Speaker 2: Well, then we get to Whitney and her Broadway debut.
[48:42] Speaker 2: I wish we could have seen it, but we can't.
[48:44] Speaker 2: And the ladies thought she was incredible, which she is.
[48:46] Speaker 2: She's very talented. Jen slowly approaches Whitney. It was a
[48:52] Speaker 2: little bit cringy. She's slowly sneaking up on her.
[48:56] Speaker 3: I was self-conscious watching it. Like, I was like, don't
[49:00] Speaker 3: do this.
[49:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jen approaches Whitney at the after party and
[49:04] Speaker 2: congratulates her, saying there's a lot of things you need
[49:07] Speaker 2: to talk about. But she didn't say it just once.
[49:09] Speaker 2: She said it like a few times, but not tonight,
[49:11] Speaker 2: not tonight. All I can think is, Whitney, you are
[49:14] Speaker 2: way too talented for this show. I think we can
[49:18] Speaker 2: see why Whitney's going to be gone soon. Yeah, yeah.
[49:21] Speaker 3: Like Whitney's got too much going on. And then I
[49:24] Speaker 3: also was like, I thought Jen didn't want to be
[49:26] Speaker 3: on the show. Now Jen is gung-ho for it. I
[49:29] Speaker 3: don't get it. And why did I just see pictures
[49:31] Speaker 3: of Jen moving, being like eight months pregnant, lifting heavy boxes?
[49:36] Speaker 2: I know, I saw that.
[49:37] Speaker 3: Then the girls end up talking to Layla and saying, like,
[49:39] Speaker 3: you need to have this conversation. And you can tell
[49:41] Speaker 3: Layla has no interest in having it. Yeah.
[49:44] Speaker 2: Your boyfriend is not good for you. And then we
[49:47] Speaker 2: do find out that they did break up. Yeah. And
[49:50] Speaker 2: so they're like, you know. And he's just sitting there,
[49:52] Speaker 2: taking it, not saying a word. It's an uncomfortable conversation.
[49:57] Speaker 2: Layla's on the other side. And she's just sitting there.
[50:00] Speaker 2: I mean, they're in the room.
[50:02] Speaker 3: Layla initiates a conversation with Mason about the imbalance in
[50:05] Speaker 3: their relationship.
[50:06] Speaker 2: I don't think that was the way to do it.
[50:08] Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
[50:08] Speaker 3: She could have just been like, I feel like you
[50:12] Speaker 3: don't really care about me. The fact that she made
[50:15] Speaker 3: it about an imbalance and like her all about money,
[50:18] Speaker 3: I think was.
[50:19] Speaker 2: Well, I think that she was tippy-toeing around it. She
[50:22] Speaker 2: was afraid if she said what she really wanted to say, like, listen,
[50:26] Speaker 2: I pay for everything. You don't do anything. But I
[50:30] Speaker 2: still think the fact that she.
[50:32] Speaker 3: Said an imbalance, I think that's why he wouldn't even
[50:35] Speaker 3: stay with her. She made the choice to pay for
[50:37] Speaker 3: everything for him.
[50:40] Speaker 2: It's not like he's sitting there.
[50:41] Speaker 3: Saying, can I have a Breitling watch?
[50:43] Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right. That's what I'm saying. I think
[50:45] Speaker 2: she needs a bit of therapy.
[50:48] Speaker 3: Yeah. And then all the women meet for lunch and
[50:51] Speaker 3: Whitney discusses her goals for the future. Jen seems a
[50:55] Speaker 3: bit jealous. And then Jen pulls Whitney away from the
[50:57] Speaker 3: table to talk one-on-one. And the conversation goes south. And
[51:01] Speaker 3: we will talk about that when we get back.
[51:05] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait for that. I feel like
[51:09] Speaker 2: Jen is a bit jealous of Whitney. She has everything
[51:12] Speaker 2: that Jen wants.
[51:13] Speaker 3: All right, guys. Thank you.
[51:15] Speaker 2: See you soon.

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