# The Twot Seat: LACY NICOLE & JESSE LALLY (The Valley) - Part 1

An episode of [Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1477524410), 29 May 2026, 31 min.

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Teddi and Tamra are with Lacy Nicole and Jesse Lally, who’s Teddi’s number one fan, to talk all about season three of The Valley… Lacy’s clarifying the rumors around her cease and desist AND she answers the question everyone’s dying to know: does she actually like Jesse?! Plus, why did Lacy finally decide to join the season three cast? Is she regretting it?! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: Two teas in a pod with Teddy Mellencamp and camera judge.
[0:18] Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of The Twat Seat
[0:21] Speaker 2: with myself, Teddy Mellencamp.
[0:23] Speaker 3: And Tama Judge.
[0:24] Speaker 4: Today we got another twat we got in the seat.
[0:30] Speaker 2: Yes, Lacy, Lacy, welcome to the twat Seat. Did you
[0:35] Speaker 2: you know you're a twat when you come in right?
[0:38] Speaker 3: Look at her face?
[0:39] Speaker 4: She's like, wait, what it's not a traditional twat. It's
[0:43] Speaker 4: spelled with a oh yeah, ok w ot okay.
[0:46] Speaker 3: Yeah sore.
[0:48] Speaker 2: So the first twatty move we're gonna call you on
[0:52] Speaker 2: is that Jesse is here in the interview.
[0:56] Speaker 3: Yeah, but no microphone.
[0:57] Speaker 2: I have no microphone, not doing it inter you it's
[1:00] Speaker 2: it's giving what is giving codependent vibes?
[1:03] Speaker 3: Guys.
[1:04] Speaker 5: I happen to be in l A and I'm rarely
[1:07] Speaker 5: like driving up to his house, so I did drag
[1:10] Speaker 5: him here.
[1:11] Speaker 4: But I thought it would be like, I don't know
[1:13] Speaker 4: why he you can't be on camera?
[1:15] Speaker 6: Why can't you be on camera? Is there a reason
[1:17] Speaker 6: he can't?
[1:19] Speaker 3: Well, there's a microphone right now.
[1:21] Speaker 6: We could pull it right onto you.
[1:23] Speaker 3: We just don't have a camera on ya.
[1:25] Speaker 7: Well, we don't need that.
[1:26] Speaker 6: He already did it. Remember he was with you in
[1:28] Speaker 6: this suit.
[1:29] Speaker 3: No, but that that was the first time he came in.
[1:32] Speaker 3: But then the second time he did it with Alexis.
[1:34] Speaker 7: But he did the first time I came on first
[1:38] Speaker 7: podcast ever.
[1:40] Speaker 5: It was his first podcast, and he was so nervous
[1:43] Speaker 5: and excited and he like loved Teddy like he was like,
[1:46] Speaker 5: we are besties.
[1:47] Speaker 6: I don't know if you feel the same way. No, really,
[1:49] Speaker 6: like we have like a baby.
[1:50] Speaker 1: Well.
[1:51] Speaker 7: Thing was, remember she was stalking me on Instagram.
[1:55] Speaker 3: You didn't you say that he was hitting on you? Yeah?
[1:58] Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, he's definitely hitting on me.
[1:59] Speaker 7: I mean the entire the.
[2:02] Speaker 6: You're a little flirty and it's like, no, she's got
[2:04] Speaker 6: my band turn. I was like, whatever, yellow, I don't like.
[2:07] Speaker 3: I think everyone's getting on of me.
[2:09] Speaker 2: I have an unhealthy version of self security.
[2:13] Speaker 3: Even when I'm bald.
[2:14] Speaker 6: I think it's it's good to be flirty. Though it
[2:17] Speaker 6: was flirty.
[2:18] Speaker 7: I mean the first time I came in, you guys
[2:19] Speaker 7: had champagne everywhere.
[2:21] Speaker 5: I know.
[2:21] Speaker 6: I was looking like, well, they brought coke coke?
[2:25] Speaker 4: Do you drink alcohol?
[2:26] Speaker 3: Lay?
[2:27] Speaker 6: I do?
[2:27] Speaker 5: But I don't day drink and I don't drink a lot.
[2:31] Speaker 5: And when I do drink a lot, like I get
[2:34] Speaker 5: turned up? You do I drank? Am I allowed to
[2:37] Speaker 5: say on the show? I drank the last night in Mexico.
[2:39] Speaker 4: You drink the last night, so I know we see
[2:41] Speaker 4: you a lot of times with those little glass bottles.
[2:43] Speaker 4: Or I did want to la of Coca cola.
[2:46] Speaker 6: I do.
[2:47] Speaker 5: I really hate ice and drinks, so like I only
[2:51] Speaker 5: like the coke in the bottle.
[2:53] Speaker 4: You're drinking a coke and a can right now?
[2:54] Speaker 6: No, like, yeah, any without ice?
[2:56] Speaker 3: Oh gotcha. She doesn't want ice.
[2:59] Speaker 6: I just don't like the taste. It waters it down.
[3:01] Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough.
[3:04] Speaker 7: She also was very you know, there was a safety
[3:08] Speaker 7: issue when it came to the girls. I don't want
[3:10] Speaker 7: to say safety and put words in her mouth, but
[3:13] Speaker 7: she was like, like the first night in Mexico, you'll
[3:16] Speaker 7: see she was like, I won't be there till the
[3:18] Speaker 7: second day. Please don't drink on the first night. Like
[3:21] Speaker 7: it's like I want to come into like a safe,
[3:24] Speaker 7: comfortable space. So that was a lot of what was
[3:26] Speaker 7: going on. It's like, you know, she's under a roof
[3:29] Speaker 7: in San Diego with my ex wife and her three
[3:32] Speaker 7: mean girlfriends, so like she's coming into a space that's
[3:35] Speaker 7: already a little hostile, Like there's no reason for us
[3:38] Speaker 7: to make it even more unsafe by drinking.
[3:41] Speaker 6: And was it unsafe?
[3:42] Speaker 5: I just get turned up when I drink, so I
[3:45] Speaker 5: just have self awareness whatever, But I never said unsafe.
[3:49] Speaker 5: I don't want it to be like Lacey says, the
[3:51] Speaker 5: girls are unsafe.
[3:52] Speaker 7: Well, no, I'm just That's why I said. I don't
[3:53] Speaker 7: want to put words in your mouth. But it was
[3:55] Speaker 7: like a feeling of safe.
[3:57] Speaker 5: So Jesse says, if I don't have to drink, if
[4:01] Speaker 5: I know everyone in the room hates me, I won't
[4:03] Speaker 5: start doing tequila shots.
[4:04] Speaker 6: If I feel comfortable, then I will drink.
[4:06] Speaker 4: Do you feel like the girls hate you on the show?
[4:09] Speaker 5: Well, like first half of the season, I'm going into
[4:11] Speaker 5: a room where you know, you have a history with
[4:13] Speaker 5: people disliking you or you're hearing things about them, So
[4:16] Speaker 5: I'm obviously I'm not, you know, day drinking. But by
[4:19] Speaker 5: the end of the season, I.
[4:20] Speaker 4: Well, there was a lot of talk on season one
[4:23] Speaker 4: that you or was it season two, I can't remember,
[4:24] Speaker 4: that you were going to sue them, and you didn't
[4:27] Speaker 4: want any part of the show, and you've come out
[4:29] Speaker 4: and said that's absolutely not true. Can you explain that.
[4:32] Speaker 5: I know, I hate what an asshole I look like.
[4:35] Speaker 5: I never suit anyone. I've actually never been in a
[4:37] Speaker 5: lawsuit in my life.
[4:38] Speaker 3: Did you send an action right now?
[4:41] Speaker 5: I did send Michelle a ceasoned assists via email, and
[4:45] Speaker 5: I included verbage like you don't need to reply, you
[4:47] Speaker 5: don't need to hire anyone.
[4:49] Speaker 6: Just please stop saying this this.
[4:50] Speaker 3: And can you just write those up yourself or do
[4:52] Speaker 3: you have to get a lord?
[4:53] Speaker 5: I mean, I had my attorney write it up because
[4:55] Speaker 5: I already had like a great attorney and a divorce attorney.
[4:58] Speaker 5: And it was like, in a he's like a family friend.
[5:01] Speaker 5: So it wasn't to me like I'm like getting a
[5:04] Speaker 5: briefcase and walking in. But I do feel still till
[5:07] Speaker 5: this day, like I know, maybe you guys I've heard,
[5:10] Speaker 5: like I listened to the podcast parts where he'll show me,
[5:13] Speaker 5: and like I still feel strong and validated in it.
[5:16] Speaker 5: So like I know the audience and they're like, oh, well,
[5:18] Speaker 5: she doesn't even want her name named, and now she's there.
[5:20] Speaker 6: It wasn't about my name.
[5:21] Speaker 5: It was more the things they were saying about me
[5:24] Speaker 5: and me as a parent were salacious, and like, I
[5:26] Speaker 5: am a single parent and I don't want my parenting
[5:29] Speaker 5: potentially impacted, so like I don't want people to not
[5:34] Speaker 5: know me and I'm not there and to be saying
[5:36] Speaker 5: these things. And I still feel validated in it, and like,
[5:40] Speaker 5: I know it's like I'm dating him, but we were
[5:42] Speaker 5: only dating a few months, Like I feel validated.
[5:44] Speaker 4: So I was at your hesitation for going on that
[5:46] Speaker 4: season is because you guys were just dating.
[5:48] Speaker 5: We were newly dating, and I knew that their divorce
[5:50] Speaker 5: was very contentious, like it was not like mine, Like
[5:52] Speaker 5: they were at what you guys watched, so like, yeah,
[5:55] Speaker 5: I was like, there's no win for me.
[5:57] Speaker 7: Were dating a few months before or Michelle even filed,
[6:01] Speaker 7: so it was like we were all trying to figure
[6:03] Speaker 7: it out.
[6:03] Speaker 3: And how did you guys meet?
[6:05] Speaker 6: We met in like on bumble.
[6:09] Speaker 7: In twenty fourteen.
[6:12] Speaker 6: Fourteen, I just said twenty thirteen.
[6:13] Speaker 5: I don't know, it was like ten twelve years ago,
[6:15] Speaker 5: So we met on Can I tell the story?
[6:17] Speaker 7: You tell it so poorly, but yeah, go ahead, I
[6:19] Speaker 7: think I'm a.
[6:19] Speaker 3: Good story about your guys.
[6:21] Speaker 4: Just banter cracks me up. We have a lot of
[6:23] Speaker 4: questions about you.
[6:24] Speaker 6: I'll be fast.
[6:25] Speaker 5: So we met on the Bumblebe app. It was like
[6:27] Speaker 5: twenty thirteen or fourteen. He knows the facts better and
[6:31] Speaker 5: I was working in LA. I was working on a
[6:33] Speaker 5: styling firms, so I used to drive to downtown LA
[6:36] Speaker 5: and then I would get dinner out here with my
[6:37] Speaker 5: girlfriends after if I was already down here, and so
[6:40] Speaker 5: we would talk on this app and I would always
[6:41] Speaker 5: be like, come meet us for dinner, and he would.
[6:43] Speaker 5: He was kind of low key's still douchebag, but I
[6:47] Speaker 5: love him, like I know, I'm I get so much hate.
[6:49] Speaker 5: But he would always be like, hit me up after
[6:51] Speaker 5: your dinner and I was like, well, no, a date
[6:52] Speaker 5: is like you come and buy me dinner, Like, I'm
[6:54] Speaker 5: not going to call you at eleven o'clock at night.
[6:56] Speaker 6: So this went back and forth.
[6:58] Speaker 7: For months, and in my defense, gotten out of a
[7:00] Speaker 7: six year relationship. I signed up on all these apps.
[7:03] Speaker 7: I was in my early thirties. I just started my
[7:05] Speaker 7: real estate business and I was just looking to meet
[7:09] Speaker 7: people and have fun.
[7:11] Speaker 6: Yeah, but I remember been, I mean we were.
[7:16] Speaker 5: And he his phone still had all our old texts,
[7:19] Speaker 5: like when we met, but anyway, I'm a better quicker storyteller.
[7:34] Speaker 5: So we never met in person, and then we were
[7:37] Speaker 5: Instagram friends and we both like respectively married other people.
[7:41] Speaker 5: It's like, I'm still Instagram friends probably with every guy
[7:43] Speaker 5: I connected with on the Bumblebee app.
[7:46] Speaker 6: I don't even know.
[7:46] Speaker 3: This is it bumble bee.
[7:48] Speaker 7: It's bumble but it's the bumble app. But the bumblebee,
[7:52] Speaker 7: the bee is there like logo and on your notes.
[7:54] Speaker 6: About me, it had a bumblebee okay whatever.
[7:57] Speaker 4: So.
[7:58] Speaker 7: I had to have it on my So we texted
[8:01] Speaker 7: for like eight months NonStop every day.
[8:06] Speaker 5: I never met, and he started dming me on Instagram
[8:09] Speaker 5: like fall of twenty twenty three, and I was already
[8:11] Speaker 5: divorced at this point, and he's like, hey, I.
[8:14] Speaker 6: Noticed your husband's not with you. And I was like,
[8:16] Speaker 6: what a freak.
[8:17] Speaker 5: He's married as far as I know, Like I thought
[8:18] Speaker 5: he was married to someone else and the show hadn't
[8:20] Speaker 5: come out yet, so I'm just like, this married man
[8:22] Speaker 5: with a child is dming me. I'm gonna message his
[8:25] Speaker 5: wife because they hate that shit. And then he DM
[8:29] Speaker 5: me again. I just like didn't reply, and he was like,
[8:31] Speaker 5: I'm sorry, my grandma passed away and she like raised me.
[8:33] Speaker 5: She's like my best friend and he's like, I'm so sorry.
[8:36] Speaker 5: Just so you know, I'm going through a divorce. If
[8:38] Speaker 5: you ever need a friend, I think you are too.
[8:39] Speaker 5: And then we finally met and had lunch. But it
[8:42] Speaker 5: was a long time coming, and our kids had the
[8:44] Speaker 5: same like friend.
[8:45] Speaker 7: Group and it was the best, like first story, it
[8:49] Speaker 7: was the best first lunch date. Because when we're messaging
[8:52] Speaker 7: on Instagram and this was probably about three months after
[8:55] Speaker 7: Michelle and I separated and we were messaging, I was like,
[8:57] Speaker 7: can I get your number? And I put it in
[8:59] Speaker 7: my phone and I was like, oh my god, I
[9:01] Speaker 7: still have it saved from all those years ago. And
[9:03] Speaker 7: then on first date, we went back to the first
[9:06] Speaker 7: text we ever sent and we're going through there.
[9:08] Speaker 6: I was giving him such a hard time.
[9:10] Speaker 7: I was like, you're such an asshole. You didn't invite
[9:12] Speaker 7: me on it and I was like, what, you didn't
[9:13] Speaker 7: never hit me up? And that was that.
[9:16] Speaker 3: So you met the bumblebee app. Now I'm going to
[9:21] Speaker 3: call it that. I'm on the hinge?
[9:23] Speaker 7: Are you?
[9:23] Speaker 3: Are you going to be on the bumble bee app?
[9:24] Speaker 8: Now?
[9:25] Speaker 3: No, I'm on the hinge.
[9:26] Speaker 6: The hinally from the Valley.
[9:29] Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't have a profile, but.
[9:33] Speaker 4: I did a question, you know, questions for you on
[9:35] Speaker 4: my story on Instagram, and I would say ninety percent
[9:38] Speaker 4: of them would be do you like Jesse?
[9:42] Speaker 3: Most of them said that, like does she really like Jesse?
[9:44] Speaker 5: I feel like it's so hard because I know that
[9:48] Speaker 5: my personality is like I give every guy a hard time.
[9:51] Speaker 6: Like I just prefer women in general. But I'm not
[9:54] Speaker 6: like lesbian.
[9:55] Speaker 7: I just prefer that's a SoundBite.
[10:00] Speaker 3: I know lesbian.
[10:01] Speaker 5: I just prefer well, just like not actually, but I
[10:04] Speaker 5: just want to always root for the women, like I
[10:06] Speaker 5: like when he's telling me even when we met, like
[10:09] Speaker 5: I always give the woman the benefit of the doubts.
[10:11] Speaker 5: So it's like hard for me not to give him
[10:12] Speaker 5: a hard time. But I do feel I don't want
[10:15] Speaker 5: to blame the show or anything, but I do feel
[10:17] Speaker 5: like you're seeing these little minuscule moments where we're laughing,
[10:21] Speaker 5: like that I love you bit. It's like I just
[10:23] Speaker 5: told this on another podcast, but like that's like we
[10:25] Speaker 5: have an inside joke about when we first said I
[10:27] Speaker 5: love you because I wouldn't say it back.
[10:29] Speaker 6: And then this was a.
[10:29] Speaker 7: Year, I commented on that podcast this morning because I
[10:32] Speaker 7: finally said it.
[10:33] Speaker 5: Back and he literally spit in my face, like he
[10:35] Speaker 5: was laughing so hard he laughed and spit in my face.
[10:37] Speaker 5: So I'm always like, I'm never saying I love you again.
[10:39] Speaker 7: But it's like you're saying, miss you're missing the best
[10:41] Speaker 7: part of the story. My gosh, the best part of
[10:43] Speaker 7: the story. And I posted.
[10:46] Speaker 3: Comment but we're going to go all the time was.
[10:48] Speaker 7: We're in New York City and we're in a cab
[10:50] Speaker 7: and we had an amazing dinner with her friend that
[10:52] Speaker 7: lives there, and we were just dying laughing, and she said,
[10:55] Speaker 7: you know, I love you and I looked her straight
[10:57] Speaker 7: in the face and I said, well, my work here
[10:59] Speaker 7: is done. And that was my answer to the her
[11:01] Speaker 7: first I love you, so for her saying thank and
[11:04] Speaker 7: like then I laughed. We started laughing about it so
[11:06] Speaker 7: hard that I literally spit in her face by accident,
[11:09] Speaker 7: he did, And it was like our running joke that
[11:11] Speaker 7: we like have this way.
[11:13] Speaker 5: I mean, listen, as long as you feel love, Jesse,
[11:16] Speaker 5: that's all that matters, Jesse is I know the audience
[11:18] Speaker 5: down Jesse's what's most important. And he feels loved and
[11:22] Speaker 5: he is safe.
[11:23] Speaker 7: And I said in the after show because they brought
[11:25] Speaker 7: it up, and I said, look, when she says I
[11:28] Speaker 7: love you, or she says I'm proud of you because
[11:30] Speaker 7: it's you and I want to say few and far between,
[11:32] Speaker 7: but when she says it, it like changes the trajectory
[11:35] Speaker 7: of my day, like if I do something, you know.
[11:37] Speaker 7: I was working down in Laguna and she texted me
[11:40] Speaker 7: when I got out of my meeting and she was like,
[11:42] Speaker 7: I'm so proud of you, and I was like, it
[11:44] Speaker 7: is like little kids, you know, like.
[11:47] Speaker 6: Little abuser, Like you're like a little golden that I
[11:55] Speaker 6: don't know.
[11:56] Speaker 5: And like I used to not be like that, I'm
[11:58] Speaker 5: more stoic now because life is kicked my ass. It's
[12:00] Speaker 5: like you go through enough relationships where you're maybe someone's not.
[12:04] Speaker 6: Faithful to you or treats soon a wrong way, like
[12:06] Speaker 6: you do.
[12:06] Speaker 5: I have a guardup for sure, But I mean Jesse's
[12:09] Speaker 5: like my best friend, So you could.
[12:10] Speaker 8: Tell you have a guard up, which is not Yeah,
[12:12] Speaker 8: you can tell you have a guard up because I think,
[12:14] Speaker 8: but you also are afraid what people are going to
[12:17] Speaker 8: say about you and do to you, which I can
[12:20] Speaker 8: assure you I've gotten the worst of it.
[12:22] Speaker 4: See, I feel like she's a type that's not going
[12:24] Speaker 4: to let anybody do shit to her.
[12:25] Speaker 6: I just have a guardup, like I feel like and listen.
[12:30] Speaker 5: I don't know what response it is, but I've always
[12:32] Speaker 5: kind of just like, I don't know, it's harder for
[12:35] Speaker 5: me to let people in.
[12:36] Speaker 2: So what made you decide to make your debut on
[12:38] Speaker 2: season three money?
[12:40] Speaker 6: No, I'm just kidding. I wanted to go. It was
[12:47] Speaker 6: a hard one.
[12:48] Speaker 5: We went back and forth for like, we went back
[12:51] Speaker 5: and forth the whole time, because it's hard to want
[12:54] Speaker 5: to divent yourself. It's also like I don't live in
[12:56] Speaker 5: the valley. I don't want to schlept to the valley.
[12:59] Speaker 5: But like I will say, over the last year, I
[13:02] Speaker 5: did pursue more like meaningful friendships with his friend group,
[13:06] Speaker 5: and we've spent time together and it's not as weird
[13:08] Speaker 5: as like me going a year ago and not knowing
[13:10] Speaker 5: any of these.
[13:11] Speaker 7: People, not even meeting most of them. I think the
[13:14] Speaker 7: first time you met a lot of people was like
[13:17] Speaker 7: the episode three viewing party at Jack's Bar, and we
[13:20] Speaker 7: went there and she met all these people for the
[13:23] Speaker 7: first time. So imagine she'd been filming like, you know,
[13:26] Speaker 7: Michelle and Michelle and Aaron. Aaron jumped in right away
[13:30] Speaker 7: and I hadn't even met him. He hadn't even met
[13:33] Speaker 7: half of the people on the show, and here he
[13:35] Speaker 7: is jumping right in. We just thought it was it
[13:37] Speaker 7: was number one. I've always said, she's the first woman
[13:41] Speaker 7: who's met my daughter, you know, after her mom, which
[13:44] Speaker 7: is a transition, and she has a young daughter, and
[13:46] Speaker 7: it's just it's too much at that beginning point of
[13:49] Speaker 7: a relationship. I think to just jump onto a TV
[13:52] Speaker 7: show with the giant.
[13:53] Speaker 6: I thought it was weird and if I jumped on.
[13:54] Speaker 7: But then this year, the funniest thing was I'm in
[13:57] Speaker 7: my pre production meeting and Jasmine gets up for me
[14:00] Speaker 7: and I sit down with you know, showrunner and producers,
[14:03] Speaker 7: and they're like, what can we do to get you
[14:06] Speaker 7: to help us get Lacey on the show, because Jasmine
[14:08] Speaker 7: just said, we need to see beta Jesse around around Lacey.
[14:11] Speaker 7: And I was like, all right, you know, I don't
[14:13] Speaker 7: there's no win for us, but if you want to
[14:15] Speaker 7: do like one dinner with Kristin and Luke to see
[14:18] Speaker 7: our dynamic, you also.
[14:19] Speaker 5: Forget the dumb things you say. And then I never
[14:22] Speaker 5: see it again.
[14:23] Speaker 2: Well, I where I appreciated your love for Jesse the
[14:28] Speaker 2: most is when you were getting him ready to be
[14:32] Speaker 2: joh and drag. Well, that's a passion of mine that
[14:35] Speaker 2: you could tell that you were really into it and
[14:38] Speaker 2: he was really proud of it, and so at that moment,
[14:42] Speaker 2: I was.
[14:42] Speaker 3: Like, you know what, I'm okay, I get I get
[14:44] Speaker 3: them now.
[14:45] Speaker 6: Well, it's something I'm passionate about.
[14:47] Speaker 5: You also, like, I hope the audience keeps in mind
[14:49] Speaker 5: I'm not trying to like go with my soapbox so
[14:51] Speaker 5: they like me.
[14:51] Speaker 6: I try.
[14:52] Speaker 5: I Like, I know some people can't be swayed, but like,
[14:55] Speaker 5: I'm not passionate about sitting in two hours of traffic
[14:58] Speaker 5: to drive to jockspar and then or hobby er century say,
[15:01] Speaker 5: but I'm passionate about drags. So like when we were
[15:04] Speaker 5: there having fun doing glam, I was like, okay, Like
[15:06] Speaker 5: I'm having fun, I feel like comfortable.
[15:09] Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a lot of talk that you just
[15:11] Speaker 4: wanted to be on reality TV, that you tried out
[15:13] Speaker 4: for Orange County so many times, which is so weird
[15:16] Speaker 4: because being the longest running housewife on Orange County.
[15:19] Speaker 3: She hates saying that.
[15:20] Speaker 6: By the way, I think it's an honor.
[15:23] Speaker 7: I think it's Instagram bio. I think, no, it's not.
[15:27] Speaker 2: But I'm just the longest non consecutive Yeah, I even
[15:31] Speaker 2: got fired for two years and I'm still the longest talking.
[15:35] Speaker 3: But she never fuck up. But I've never heard your
[15:40] Speaker 3: name thrown around.
[15:41] Speaker 4: So that's why I'm like, why who's saying that you've
[15:44] Speaker 4: been trying out all these times?
[15:46] Speaker 6: I it's usually we get, we get think.
[15:48] Speaker 5: I actually am so mad at myself because I think
[15:50] Speaker 5: I literally started the room.
[15:53] Speaker 6: I tried out like time, no, no, no.
[15:55] Speaker 5: So I you live in Orange County, you know obviously,
[16:00] Speaker 5: like every year they do like housewives casting, and I
[16:02] Speaker 5: always know what it is because like twenty people will
[16:04] Speaker 5: DM me and be like can I have your glam
[16:06] Speaker 5: team like something special and like you'll see all the women.
[16:09] Speaker 5: Like I'm like, I know, you know, like you know
[16:11] Speaker 5: if you grow up there. I was born there, like
[16:14] Speaker 5: so in like twenty sixteen, they reached out to me
[16:16] Speaker 5: on Instagram. It was a guy named Matt Matthew and
[16:19] Speaker 5: he was like can yeah. He was like, can you
[16:21] Speaker 5: do a zoom? We would love to learn more about
[16:23] Speaker 5: you and he he had zoomed with like a bunch
[16:25] Speaker 5: of my friends and I did the zoom and I
[16:27] Speaker 5: was like, this would be awesome, like I'm so young though,
[16:29] Speaker 5: like and I wasn't married yet, but I was doing
[16:33] Speaker 5: work in like the court system, and I was like,
[16:34] Speaker 5: this would be cool to talk about. And then they
[16:38] Speaker 5: just didn't choose me. But I posted on my Instagram.
[16:40] Speaker 5: I was like, I'm doing an interview for Housewives today
[16:43] Speaker 5: or zoom. I guess it's not like you go line
[16:45] Speaker 5: up and interview. And then they approached me again and
[16:48] Speaker 5: I still have the text, like I wish I showed it,
[16:50] Speaker 5: but I just said I'm not a candidate. It was
[16:52] Speaker 5: when I was going through my divorce and it was
[16:53] Speaker 5: a different woman and I.
[16:56] Speaker 6: Yeah, I said I'm not in ball. I have the text.
[16:59] Speaker 5: I was like, you know, I'm not a candidate, and
[17:01] Speaker 5: I was a little bit like matter of fact, I
[17:03] Speaker 5: was in a really dark play. It was right when
[17:04] Speaker 5: my grandma passed away, and I was like, I'm not
[17:05] Speaker 5: a candidate now wherever, which I think made her like
[17:09] Speaker 5: more like why you know it'sin and I was like,
[17:12] Speaker 5: I'm just in a really dark place.
[17:14] Speaker 6: But it wasn't like but who on your show? The Valley.
[17:16] Speaker 4: Who was saying that. Who was the one spreading that
[17:19] Speaker 4: rumor that you tried out so many times?
[17:21] Speaker 5: I think I actually still think I spread that rumor.
[17:24] Speaker 5: I'm like mad at myself because I'm too honest. It's
[17:26] Speaker 5: like my ADHD, like I say too many details and
[17:29] Speaker 5: then I end up like saying the wrong SoundBite. But
[17:31] Speaker 5: what happened was at Jack's bar when Janet and I
[17:34] Speaker 5: first met, I was trying to buy everyone around a drink,
[17:36] Speaker 5: so I was like, I'm gonna make camaraderie. And she
[17:38] Speaker 5: had said this joke and she's like, oh yeah, I
[17:40] Speaker 5: read online. You know you auditioned for Househouse all these times,
[17:43] Speaker 5: and then throughout them filming that season, when the girls
[17:47] Speaker 5: were talking and saying all these things about me by
[17:51] Speaker 5: my back, it felt more, you.
[17:52] Speaker 7: Know, like it kind of got exploited a little bit.
[17:55] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[17:55] Speaker 4: But yeah, as Andy Cohn would say, so what you
[17:59] Speaker 4: tried out a lot of times is that about well?
[18:00] Speaker 5: And the other thing is what I don't seventeen times
[18:03] Speaker 5: I have to like lineup, I didn't date Jesse on Bumble.
[18:06] Speaker 6: In twenty twenty four to Long Game the Valley, like
[18:10] Speaker 6: but twenty fourteen.
[18:12] Speaker 5: Sorry anyway, but you know, like Jane and I have
[18:16] Speaker 5: talked about that since.
[18:30] Speaker 2: Well, speaking of dating, I just need to know. I
[18:32] Speaker 2: really need to know who the Baywatch guy is.
[18:35] Speaker 3: I forgot about.
[18:37] Speaker 7: Sorry.
[18:37] Speaker 4: I know it's not David Househof because you've blocked.
[18:41] Speaker 3: He blocked you.
[18:42] Speaker 1: I know.
[18:43] Speaker 2: I made Jesse talk about his trim spot ads and
[18:46] Speaker 2: oh my god, and Nicole Smith.
[18:49] Speaker 3: So I feel like the least you got that out
[18:51] Speaker 3: of me.
[18:51] Speaker 7: You were the first person I know.
[18:53] Speaker 6: So I feel like, you know what you can codon.
[18:56] Speaker 2: You have a sweater he put on our fur. Thank
[19:00] Speaker 2: it from our podcast room. But please just give me
[19:04] Speaker 2: a hint, give me initials.
[19:06] Speaker 6: Initial it was?
[19:07] Speaker 5: It was Shena and I were talking about dating post divorce,
[19:12] Speaker 5: and I really felt like we were having this like
[19:13] Speaker 5: girl talk moment.
[19:14] Speaker 3: Oh wow.
[19:15] Speaker 5: And I was like, you know, I dated this guy
[19:17] Speaker 5: in Utah, I dated this guy on Baywatch, and I
[19:20] Speaker 5: was kind of comparing all the dynamics how weird it
[19:23] Speaker 5: is to date once you're divorced because she was divorced.
[19:26] Speaker 5: And I can't say his name because I promised they wouldn't,
[19:28] Speaker 5: and I don't want to.
[19:29] Speaker 3: Go, but is he a main main catake?
[19:32] Speaker 4: Was he a watch Baywatch, Like, I wasn't like the
[19:37] Speaker 4: original Baywatch.
[19:38] Speaker 7: You were like like nine.
[19:42] Speaker 4: How so I had to been like the a Sun
[19:45] Speaker 4: on Baywatch. I told for you.
[19:48] Speaker 2: You always thought it was that guy the Sun. Yeah,
[19:53] Speaker 2: I never thought it was him because he looked all
[19:55] Speaker 2: royded out to me.
[19:56] Speaker 7: Well, the funny thing about that story was we were
[19:59] Speaker 7: at a party and when you know, I think I
[20:01] Speaker 7: had introduced her to Sheena for the first time, and
[20:03] Speaker 7: they were all hanging out and getting on because we're
[20:06] Speaker 7: all at a party at a mutual franchise.
[20:09] Speaker 2: Everybody that she's crazy.
[20:12] Speaker 7: Part what happened was the reason I called her at
[20:14] Speaker 7: the table because I was behind them when she was
[20:17] Speaker 7: telling the story and it was like, oh, I was
[20:19] Speaker 7: dating this guy from Baywatch and then I met Jesse,
[20:21] Speaker 7: and Jesse and I started dating. There was no crossover.
[20:25] Speaker 6: I think there was like a date crossover.
[20:27] Speaker 7: It was like a day maybe, But I knew that
[20:29] Speaker 7: she told the story. I remember the story because I
[20:32] Speaker 7: wasn't drinking, and when I called Sheena, I thought I
[20:38] Speaker 7: have to clarify because I was clear as is could be.
[20:41] Speaker 7: I was standing right behind them and I heard the story.
[20:44] Speaker 7: So I called Sheena thinking there's no way she's gonna
[20:46] Speaker 7: lie about this. And then she confirmed that there was
[20:49] Speaker 7: like this crossover, and you see the look in my
[20:51] Speaker 7: face at the table. I'm like thanks, because it was
[20:55] Speaker 7: a complete fabrication of the story because I knew.
[20:58] Speaker 5: The story didn't work there because I could not prove
[21:00] Speaker 5: that it was faulty.
[21:01] Speaker 6: So you know, whatever, So what happened.
[21:04] Speaker 5: I did say it, like I didn't say it in
[21:06] Speaker 5: that context, which is frustrating.
[21:08] Speaker 7: But and that was the beginning of frustrating things that
[21:12] Speaker 7: she had no opportunity to defend. And it was like
[21:15] Speaker 7: my trying to argue with Janet and Brittany at the
[21:19] Speaker 7: racetrack in Santa Barbara didn't go anywhere, And it was like,
[21:22] Speaker 7: you know, me constantly trying to stick up for her
[21:25] Speaker 7: with no.
[21:29] Speaker 5: Who do you feel like you're closest with closest with
[21:33] Speaker 5: I love Zach. We went to you can't pick Zach
[21:36] Speaker 5: why because he's our favorite too, Like I'm part of
[21:43] Speaker 5: the crew, now leave.
[21:45] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[21:46] Speaker 6: I love Jasmine, I love Kristen, I love Nia.
[21:51] Speaker 3: I love I mean, I really Michelle, I.
[21:55] Speaker 6: Don't I mean do I love her as a mother?
[21:59] Speaker 5: Such a I'm not watching we don't we don't hang
[22:02] Speaker 5: out shocker or talk listen. If I had my way,
[22:06] Speaker 5: I feel like we would hang out and be like friendly.
[22:08] Speaker 4: There's no like for some with you guys. I mean
[22:10] Speaker 4: not for some like that way, but like no double
[22:12] Speaker 4: dating with doctor dry.
[22:14] Speaker 6: No, I wish that would be incredible.
[22:15] Speaker 3: Are they are?
[22:16] Speaker 1: They?
[22:16] Speaker 3: Are they?
[22:17] Speaker 6: You get some beats?
[22:19] Speaker 4: You've got some beats, Jesse.
[22:22] Speaker 7: No, that was that was like an iconic, I think
[22:27] Speaker 7: statement to you when you asked. Because I had dropped
[22:30] Speaker 7: Isabella off that Friday. The news broke on Monday and
[22:34] Speaker 7: I dropped her off and she goes running into Michelle's apartment.
[22:36] Speaker 7: She's like, look, mommy got me the same headphones that
[22:38] Speaker 7: you got me for Christmas. And there was like a
[22:41] Speaker 7: row of different colored and I was like, then when
[22:44] Speaker 7: the news broke, I was like, at least I'm going
[22:46] Speaker 7: to make a joke of it. And it was. It
[22:48] Speaker 7: was all fun and games all day.
[22:50] Speaker 3: Well, we put up the picture of him just for
[22:52] Speaker 3: you and.
[22:52] Speaker 6: Thank you guys.
[22:53] Speaker 3: By the way, there the one on the wall out there.
[22:56] Speaker 7: I'm gonna take it with me.
[22:58] Speaker 3: Have you met him? No, How did it make you
[23:01] Speaker 3: feel seeing this?
[23:03] Speaker 2: Because it made me kind of emotional, probably because I'm
[23:06] Speaker 2: in that stage where, like you know, I'm getting close
[23:09] Speaker 2: to divorce and all of those things.
[23:11] Speaker 3: This week, this week's up. Yeah, this week's episode. Did
[23:14] Speaker 3: you watch it?
[23:15] Speaker 5: I did watch it. I mean their divorce is complex
[23:19] Speaker 5: for me because again, like i'd never want to defend
[23:22] Speaker 5: a man, but I'm obviously like I'm hearing their interactions
[23:26] Speaker 5: from his side, like I'm hearing his speaker phone calls
[23:29] Speaker 5: in his moments, and it's not my divorce to talk about,
[23:33] Speaker 5: but I think it's painful because it's relatable, Like I'm divorced.
[23:37] Speaker 5: It's still painful even if even if things didn't go
[23:41] Speaker 5: right at one point, they were so perfect and you
[23:44] Speaker 5: loved that person enough to marry them or approcreate with
[23:46] Speaker 5: them and have this life you're planning on. So it's
[23:48] Speaker 5: like a shattered belief system of everything you believed at
[23:52] Speaker 5: one point. And then at least for myself, you do.
[23:54] Speaker 5: I mean I kind of gaslight myself when things go wrong.
[23:57] Speaker 5: It's like my own thing, but like you kind of
[23:59] Speaker 5: question your reality, like am I making the wrong decisions
[24:01] Speaker 5: in life or what you know? Like, yeah, I chose
[24:04] Speaker 5: this person, so how to be right? Or am I wrong,
[24:06] Speaker 5: am I decision making? So I feel like it's loaded
[24:09] Speaker 5: and I feel empathy for them and that, and like
[24:12] Speaker 5: I do feel empathy for Michelle, like I know she's
[24:14] Speaker 5: having a hard year. I had a hardier last year,
[24:16] Speaker 5: so I just wasn't on the show. So I get
[24:20] Speaker 5: going through, you know, these layers of loss and your
[24:24] Speaker 5: marriage ending, and I think that that's really painful.
[24:27] Speaker 4: So I was shocked to see that scene actually because
[24:30] Speaker 4: you like, she was crying and you're like, are you crying? Yeah,
[24:34] Speaker 4: And you could see like that you guys cared about each.
[24:38] Speaker 2: Other, right, we're oftentimes you guys don't show that at all.
[24:41] Speaker 3: No, we don't feel.
[24:43] Speaker 2: It at all.
[24:43] Speaker 4: Like I can't even understand why you guys are ever married.
[24:46] Speaker 4: By moos of stuff we've seen, We're like, holy shit.
[24:48] Speaker 7: Well, I think keep in mind too that we knew
[24:51] Speaker 7: what we shot in season one, and you know, I
[24:54] Speaker 7: Michelle ended it with me. I was obviously still trying,
[24:58] Speaker 7: but one of the things, and I think on it,
[25:00] Speaker 7: we were.
[25:00] Speaker 3: Trying with your baggy underwear and your BRAINI hats.
[25:03] Speaker 7: Well, that's that was after the fact. When I lost
[25:05] Speaker 7: a bunch of weight, looked good, thought i'd wear it.
[25:09] Speaker 7: Thought I'd wear some sag of grays Hey, but they
[25:11] Speaker 7: ended up at Bravo con framed, so they were yeah,
[25:14] Speaker 7: my god. So yeah, you have to realize that we clubhouse.
[25:17] Speaker 3: Now.
[25:18] Speaker 7: I don't know, I have to check when I go back.
[25:19] Speaker 7: But you have to keep in mind that Michelle and
[25:23] Speaker 7: I sat down and we were like, we separated in
[25:25] Speaker 7: mid October, and we're like, we know the show of
[25:28] Speaker 7: season one was about us working on our marriage, like
[25:30] Speaker 7: we can't tell anyone. So she lived in the house
[25:33] Speaker 7: for almost four months, and it was just brutal, like
[25:37] Speaker 7: we you know, trying to have coffee in the morning
[25:39] Speaker 7: and be normal and then trying to talk about business
[25:42] Speaker 7: and like we have Isabella running around. She's only like
[25:44] Speaker 7: one and a half two at the time, So it
[25:46] Speaker 7: was just a very complex.
[25:48] Speaker 4: Uncomfortable situation to push through the window.
[25:51] Speaker 7: That was that was very early on, and it's stuff
[25:54] Speaker 7: like that happened because we were in this, like you know,
[25:56] Speaker 7: we were in this four months of just like keeping
[25:59] Speaker 7: it a secret from everybody. I wasn't telling anybody. I
[26:02] Speaker 7: lost a ton of weight. She was going out till
[26:05] Speaker 7: like three in the morning.
[26:06] Speaker 2: I was checking the camera the Bumblebee guy, not from
[26:09] Speaker 2: bumble No, that's I've got ye.
[26:15] Speaker 7: Because like, yeah, I mean it was think think about this, right.
[26:19] Speaker 7: She tells me two or three weeks in the office
[26:21] Speaker 7: after we separated that she was in a relationship and
[26:23] Speaker 7: I used to watch her go out and like she
[26:25] Speaker 7: would come home and I'd be checking the cameras and
[26:28] Speaker 7: like I knew where he lived, and you know, like
[26:31] Speaker 7: it was just so hard was she had to tell
[26:35] Speaker 7: me because if she was spending the night out and
[26:37] Speaker 7: I had Isabella, It's like, oh, I'm gonna be staying
[26:39] Speaker 7: at this house and like so it was four months
[26:42] Speaker 7: of just like you know, I mean, like not to
[26:45] Speaker 7: be the victim, but I wasn't. I lost forty two pounds,
[26:48] Speaker 7: wasn't eating. I was like, you know, stress, drinking, and
[26:52] Speaker 7: it was just and then all of a sudden, she
[26:54] Speaker 7: moves out, and it was like this tit for tat
[26:57] Speaker 7: who's gonna win? Like even basic things we couldn't agree on.
[27:01] Speaker 7: It created so much.
[27:02] Speaker 5: Remp Oh my god, you're the mediator. No, I mean,
[27:05] Speaker 5: I do think I'm a good mediator. I grew up
[27:07] Speaker 5: with parents that thought I'm an only child, and like
[27:10] Speaker 5: there was so much in my own so much so
[27:13] Speaker 5: I just remember like standing in the middle, like that's
[27:16] Speaker 5: like my first memories of my life. So I feel
[27:18] Speaker 5: like if the universe gives you like a.
[27:20] Speaker 6: Path, you'd like roll with it.
[27:22] Speaker 5: But hearing them, I was even I remember when we met,
[27:25] Speaker 5: I was like, I've never heard people fight like this,
[27:27] Speaker 5: Like you guys are fighting and both of them like
[27:30] Speaker 5: that's why I do hold those feet to the firearm.
[27:32] Speaker 6: Like you also can't act like that, you know what
[27:34] Speaker 6: I mean? Like they're both kind of doing things.
[27:35] Speaker 4: Well, I'm a true believe, but you can take two
[27:37] Speaker 4: good people and put them together. If they absolutely got along,
[27:40] Speaker 4: they could be horrible people. And when they get along,
[27:42] Speaker 4: it's like, well, it was nice to see you guys
[27:46] Speaker 4: get And you'll.
[27:47] Speaker 7: See as the season plays out, there are a lot
[27:49] Speaker 7: of moments where I'm like, we're there, and like they
[27:53] Speaker 7: have moments where I'm like, yeah, we're getting there, and
[27:56] Speaker 7: then wait wait for the nuclear bomb drop at the
[28:00] Speaker 7: at the finale. Afterwards, it all had to come to
[28:05] Speaker 7: an end.
[28:06] Speaker 3: Where are you guys now?
[28:07] Speaker 6: You guys in a good place now? Michelle and I
[28:10] Speaker 6: what am I supposed to have to watch?
[28:13] Speaker 7: You have to watch?
[28:14] Speaker 6: I was given a line.
[28:15] Speaker 7: I mean, our really, our relationship is basically Isabella at
[28:18] Speaker 7: this point, and like, you know, even just text her
[28:21] Speaker 7: when I walked in here because there's something at her
[28:23] Speaker 7: school today that I'm not going to be able to make.
[28:24] Speaker 7: So she's like, I'll send you photos and videos, and
[28:26] Speaker 7: like I missed out. We do a seven pm call
[28:29] Speaker 7: FaceTime with her, who like if she's with me, Michelle
[28:32] Speaker 7: will call every night, and I missed it because I
[28:35] Speaker 7: was working last night. So I like sent her a
[28:37] Speaker 7: voice memo at eight pm and text Michelle like, hey,
[28:40] Speaker 7: did she get the voice memo? And she's like yeah,
[28:41] Speaker 7: on the way to school today. So it's like that that's.
[28:43] Speaker 4: Are you guys divorced?
[28:46] Speaker 7: Yeah, you'll see you'll just.
[28:49] Speaker 6: Stay oh yeah.
[28:53] Speaker 7: And you know it's funny that scene. A lot of
[28:55] Speaker 7: people really enjoyed it, and I enjoyed it myself, And
[28:58] Speaker 7: you know there was at that wasn't shown for obvious reasons.
[29:02] Speaker 7: Like she put the paperwork in front of me and
[29:04] Speaker 7: I looked through it and I'm like, this is the
[29:05] Speaker 7: same paperwork from six months ago. Let's call your attorney
[29:08] Speaker 7: right now. We called him at that table. He's like,
[29:11] Speaker 7: I'll write it up, you know, have it over to
[29:13] Speaker 7: you for your review tomorrow. And from that point on,
[29:16] Speaker 7: it was just very quick.
[29:17] Speaker 4: Was there was there reason to hold it because of
[29:20] Speaker 4: that debt.
[29:22] Speaker 7: That wasn't the only reason there was. There was something
[29:24] Speaker 7: that happened when I started doing a little research for
[29:27] Speaker 7: taxes and I found all kinds of like money going
[29:31] Speaker 7: to different accounts and stuff. And I had requested a
[29:34] Speaker 7: lot of paperwork from her attorney in May aughtit and yeah,
[29:38] Speaker 7: I was doing Yeah, anyway, I had requested all this
[29:41] Speaker 7: paperwork and it was right before the reunion, and they finally,
[29:45] Speaker 7: after like twenty eight days, got the paperwork to me.
[29:48] Speaker 7: Then requested discovery going back to the day we were married.
[29:52] Speaker 7: And I threw my hands up in the air. And
[29:54] Speaker 7: that's why I said at the reunion last year, I'm like,
[29:55] Speaker 7: I threw my hands up in the air and said,
[29:57] Speaker 7: you know, the ninety hours it would take me to
[29:59] Speaker 7: put together all the text messages and emails, it's like
[30:01] Speaker 7: I'll cold call ten houses and be able to make
[30:04] Speaker 7: the money that's missing back. And I threw my hands
[30:06] Speaker 7: up in the air and said, like, let's just agree
[30:08] Speaker 7: on this one thing. And it's sad to see like
[30:11] Speaker 7: you know, there's so many lies that I can't wait
[30:14] Speaker 7: to address at the reunion, but you'll you'll have to
[30:16] Speaker 7: wait and see.
[30:17] Speaker 4: I'll take it from this blocker were.
[30:22] Speaker 6: The corner.
[30:23] Speaker 4: Don't miss part two with Lacy and Jesse on the
[30:26] Speaker 4: Twatz feed

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