# 三五环 A podcast by 刘飞Lufy. 我是刘飞，产品经理生涯完整经历了 Web2.0，半截经历在中小公司和创业，半截经历在滴滴和阿里，写过两本勉强还凑合的书，有个不温不火的公众号「刘言飞语」。住在离西湖 11 km 的西湖区，室友是一只苏格兰折耳银渐层。 三五环是我的独立播客，邀请身边在城市里生活的局内人朋友聊天。话题和对谈的内容都只围绕一个原则，就是我个人的好奇心。通过他们不同的表述里，我试图发现不同的认知视角、不同的思维模式乃至不同的生活态度。至少会重塑我对世界的感知和判断，也期待能对你有启发。 Feed: https://proxy.wavpub.com/35huan.xml ## Latest episodes - [No.233 单口｜手机为什么要折叠？Apple 为什么要「跟风」？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/4ac7ba857cb3) (2026-09-11, 78 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPTK_0TGaFJYGNJgSfmzX.m4a - [No.232 吴汉坤：AI 时代，演员第一个丢饭碗？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/b7c93edb365d) (2026-09-01, 50 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPTK_ZetpZa9d78864dIo-7b8b5e115795.m4a - [No.231 抽象仔：从《航拍中国》到《新鸳鸯蝴蝶梦》，重新用 AI 学习互联网表达](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/9668f13b6b9c) (2026-08-25, 56 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPTK_kGnRWllsF0LLaz6J-8c445ddfbf2d.m4a - [No.230 串台万物生长｜咖啡续命、酒精助眠，当代人的睡眠失控与管理](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/dd1eff822944) (2026-08-18, 74 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPTK_en56E4uzh5S4Wb5n-9d87aa5e9f46.m4a - [No.229 对话少数派老麦：从 Palm、WebOS 到 AI 硬件，依然不想成为多数派](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/2d6d06a3c488) (2026-08-11, 61 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_LbRgbpcpYgcxzqnENnkTSrLnFkmjHprpLZUwtUkWNHtQDmkxWEQcUCRfGh-f2.m4a - [No.228 对话滴滴曲晓楠：怕你觉得我们不安全，更怕你觉得我们绝对安全](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/365843890e67) (2026-08-04, 53 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_gzscFcjQdxQCbKAzNFKKLgseULkhVgYSLKJBGSBBKdPbagPBhRbFmcBhDx-01.m4a - [No.227 对话叫兽易小星&粉墨：人人都能用 AI 拍电影了？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/c34ea5290bde) (2026-07-28, 53 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_enKytKjbTRwScrxhyuexuNEuuaMyvSzhbwwTSNjuGLaZBqsATStzdPBEsp-a9.m4a - [No.226 AI 越强，创业者越要回到用户现场](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/c1a254c12628) (2026-07-21, 54 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_tzhGaZCrLHKSvzPMxEtKKUukcCasuwCZtknbSfkExHMAeYNgRRgnAPEucJ-c9.m4a - [No.225 对话 Yuri 尤栗打造者汗青：AI 虚拟偶像，越像真人越容易塌房？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/87fdc031d192) (2026-07-19, 55 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_nKLKekDfNSAxDmXbFYFgjUJxRffFFmdkLPmepHQvtfucnCfvyMLVKUcdkj-01.m4a - [No.224 用 AI「偷」明星声音和形象侵权卖货，直播间该怎么管？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/5c5ead6b8745) (2026-07-07, 50 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_JUHxzMYmLLpmQFVkLKdsntLgAswwrCvWrvVvmDhyFzCjWaHENQABHyCbxg-64.m4a - [No.223 当单纯的投放逻辑已经失效，我们如何重新理解种草？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/958b5bffca50) (2026-06-30, 60 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_jbZTXHXPtPXdYLbQEZbMhaxKpNzxcYxmafAMLbMzGmEyTsKVskstvJerrb-e5.m4a - [No.222 程泓宁：从庙堂之上的投资人，到在真实的泥地里打滚](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/84f77e12fb01) (2026-06-18, 52 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_tTrWtrYMDvTegYjWARnnWTkJzyHLHZvkKfwmwXThLjbcTShwJjKsuEngWq-1e.m4a - [No.221 雷鸟 CEO：新技术越来越多，我们为什么还需要一副智能眼镜？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/953bc58c4112) (2026-05-27, 88 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_RmLuWmMqkgYnqCfczhQRAuTCZCxgPBqgRptZuAvvPWWebueGmVySJeBGJF-e1.m4a - [No.220 钱为什么不是万能良药？聊聊那些返贫的故事](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/61b2965ebd99) (2026-05-07, 91 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_EynEHAWCSnLawzEjyzjVBBcwXxbuqhJwFMtbPmDcfUXceTTJxDMTUjdCqJ-c6.m4a - [No.219 关于 OpenClaw，到底是谁养了虾，虾又会养谁？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/4174d9074676) (2026-03-12, 113 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_pntSBBsFxyTYXyCwyqXnPRZVdUhhmQHajhkdknmhwMWGJzhWmLdhMYzCxa-77.m4a - [No.218 孟阳：大厂训练你先算收益，而自由职业教你拥抱随机](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/f5c590fd8607) (2026-03-03, 99 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_MMfPTLepEkansPLaWsjtDuALjvgBNwsnCnyjhLxTVKNPYreVwRekemafMX-44.m4a - [No.217 请回答 2025：在世界的褶皱里，寻找内心的安宁](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/6ff0b043e4a8) (2026-02-03, 124 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_xpjQmwbVJAFyPExLKtLuVWdHWxHXBZEPfqtJeQnGZgmCEHLqPZZqVyXgSN-a8.m4a - [No.216 手机热点如果够用，我们为什么还需要随身WiFi？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/80f8188ededa) (2026-01-27, 70 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_PRkHYcYhZKzCxzYDpGTpUJmbLZhhjbrPfsMPdEFMGsfVccheBgLYGfnVEd-02.m4a - [No.215 红利退去、关注情绪价值的时代，该如何重新理解品牌？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/be241fe54e2a) (2026-01-20, 80 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_kuXNggMEwWLhgTYsaKWWcfVvqeCdJvdJdfEWBjvrqezsnEPzfpTteshfyc-b2.m4a - [No.214 低能量人的电池使用指南](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/371c2179d1b3) (2025-12-30, 118 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_RHGbJwnvmPNZYbFGAneByafUSRjuMZbVmsdByWFepxHXvrGQJPgzMhKUZc-15.m4a - [No.213 对谈脉脉林凡：当「找工作太容易」的时代结束之后，职场正在发生什么变化？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/e4e7e745a69f) (2025-12-23, 70 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_scfwbuSnSLZErtTPmZFHjbrEJFkHDAnCAtEmtRbhrELRpxkHnfmqVuvHHj-4f.m4a - [No.212 邯郸：倔了三千年的城，也是山河四省的平均脸 | 山河四省系列](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/fd4f6194a6de) (2025-12-16, 163 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_BRxhygJZtLbZDFpETkhMHgMwJBETeQDHArXfnAdEEUWrZkAfCEMZmUgCpj-61.m4a - [No.210 腾讯 AI「松弛感」背后：高筑墙、广积粮、缓称王](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/d6206e16ec32) (2025-12-04, 72 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_nduuEEZnPfYszhRmfJeBfTnDQPzaEbhEmjShvCAZxgJBFQKWVCysvthjWG-80.m4a - [No.209 为什么西游记是一本商业名著？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/1514063f19ba) (2025-11-18, 45 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_nFBrMBhmHxWUyAKmamgZpLsRmfnvknhaYwcHxrcrtMcDRwDNbRJhbtxBNc-db.m4a - [No.208 为什么我们对「享乐」感到羞耻？｜狂喜播客节山河四省专场](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/e15c14375114) (2025-11-11, 93 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_nhsNcdKbFadUsPqDpkMYtkywPHnnwxrDLbBzYhChQYNBtuMusrqTNMEBBk-fc.m4a - [No.207 我要苟到猪都能再次起飞的那一天｜对谈 800 万粉丝 up 主兔叭咯](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/129020d76927) (2025-11-04, 68 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_qdAqPJLnsuVJGkbfsRadwmjzCfCFxTyYcWvAeVPeptgTDQBVPvFLkrxLtw-3b.m4a - [No.205 猫草：上行期的胡萝卜没了之后，我们为何更容易被异化？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/e50860eabf2c) (2025-10-14, 50 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_zSeVrpFhqKDHmPGCjyByGEdbVDyyhBNfQnLKjejfxwPjQnpTUbZMwTLdnf-39.m4a - [No.204 出海的本源是理解人，以及「尊重时间、尊重经营」](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/44f5ec8ecf49) (2025-09-23, 68 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_JABgZytshUjuAbrAJnchzuFpSwTedMQmcwwQjLtNxtfcxDrhUksYfMRFGu-d7.m4a - [No.203 串台毕不了业：见过最多钱的一代人，为什么选择了离场？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/8739248baf90) (2025-09-16, 74 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_uaNRZbwGdFuuYquGzrAPrgLEjqaBdfBcjdkAdRLDmWxMeDpMSNXVfpXaSn-66.m4a - [No.202 串台日谈公园：我们为什么喜欢历史？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/ec2942813ff6) (2025-09-08, 86 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_csUCpuLtYsLKqbAAVdJUDkyaQVnANvgLZjBWNWYhWFDEJdHRutqQnxuvrB-6f.m4a - [No.201 对谈田螺：做一个美食内容创作者](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/bf02d4b2536a) (2025-08-26, 102 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_sAqRuhvKSwNBjNuxZUcyFnPzmBgPvuxHTStvPPhkyrnMXKwEyasywSrnmV-9c.m4a - [贰百期特辑｜你必须真的关心，且有话要说](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/435fa9c6d505) (2025-08-19, 49 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_XkKjkrkDEAwVBvZxVRhvrFnBkRWZjcJSaVwmdgPQQEdksquAhEBEKdsFqX-40.m4a - [No.200 好的品牌内容是「长期分红」，不是「短期红利」](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/4c4c571faf2b) (2025-08-05, 90 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_uPrNRexXvnzejMBbcBhbAFqtenwtZQGgUKnGhHDQxRWUTNGkLHqzbjGFAV-ae.m4a - [No.199 对谈李汇川：从《仙剑》到《黑神话》：中国玩家的记忆与国产游戏的变迁](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475113228/2c6afcbf58f3) (2025-07-29, 89 min): audio https://tk.wavpub.com/WPDL_wPDgZqvngBqfLnmHrWPkrbJRtDrCGnNXhNUqAyUZZJdETrKfeFkpYSbCPR-b0.m4a - 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