# Ep. 233 | Brandon & Chris | I Came With Fire Podcast

An episode of [Former Action Guys Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475060182), 12 May 2025, 1 h 51 min.

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Brandon is a veteran of the Air Force Security Forces Chris is an Army Special Forces soldier. They are both part of the I Came With Fire Podcast and we get into artificial intelligence, foreign conflicts, and debate the alleged decline of America. Support the show https://www.jcramergraphics.com https://www.ANGLICOshop.com https://www.patreon.com/formeractionguys I Came With Fire link https://rumble.com/user/I_Came_With_Fire_Podcast

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: I actually recently found out today, it was either today
[0:02] Speaker 1: or yesterday, that there's a maximum length on chat GPT conversations.
[0:08] Speaker 1: I didn't even know that. I don't even know what
[0:12] Speaker 1: it was because it like just hit this thing. It
[0:13] Speaker 1: was like, your your conversation has hit its MAXI length
[0:15] Speaker 1: And I'm like, what is that?
[0:19] Speaker 2: Where are you going?
[0:21] Speaker 1: That's what I did. I was like, please summarize this
[0:23] Speaker 1: entire conversation so I can put it into a new conversation.
[0:26] Speaker 1: And it was like okay. I was like, all right.
[0:30] Speaker 2: I was wondering, can you open the new tabage just
[0:32] Speaker 2: be like.
[0:33] Speaker 1: And it also has like project folders too, and I
[0:36] Speaker 1: was like, so in my mind, all the different conversations
[0:40] Speaker 1: in that project folder can be read by that each other.
[0:43] Speaker 1: And no, I was like that's stupid as fuck, Like
[0:46] Speaker 1: why you even have the folder?
[0:48] Speaker 3: That's weird because I I do that all the time,
[0:51] Speaker 3: where I ask it to reference something or I'll say, hey,
[0:53] Speaker 3: do you remember, like a month ago I asked you
[0:55] Speaker 3: about this and it's like yes, and then it ships out.
[0:57] Speaker 1: It'll reference some things. If you look at your settings,
[1:00] Speaker 1: you have a memory. It has a memory, and your
[1:03] Speaker 1: memory can also run out to mine also maxed out recently,
[1:07] Speaker 1: and it stores a bunch of random shit that it
[1:09] Speaker 1: thinks is important. That way, it can pull it out
[1:11] Speaker 1: like that, So it's something like that is probably stuck
[1:14] Speaker 1: in the memory and it can also pull from the
[1:16] Speaker 1: same conversation.
[1:17] Speaker 3: So but yeah, oh yeah.
[1:21] Speaker 1: I mess with it all the time. Man. I always
[1:22] Speaker 1: tell people I'm teaching my mom how to use it.
[1:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're not, if you're not using AIS at
[1:29] Speaker 2: this point, you're getting ready to get left behind.
[1:31] Speaker 3: And like it's funny. It's funny you said that, because
[1:34] Speaker 3: like I've been saying for a while that this is
[1:36] Speaker 3: going to have it will have the same effect as
[1:38] Speaker 3: something like the Gutenberg Press. But like, what a wonderful
[1:41] Speaker 3: way to teach the elderly how to use the internet,
[1:43] Speaker 3: Like you can, hey, just have a conversation. If you
[1:46] Speaker 3: can type on a keyboard and ask the same questions, like,
[1:48] Speaker 3: it'll do shit for you. Like that's actually a great
[1:51] Speaker 3: way to bridge that tech guy.
[1:53] Speaker 1: Now you can talk to that's really smart the complain. Yeah,
[1:56] Speaker 1: and now you can have those conversations. Yeah, just talk.
[1:58] Speaker 1: And then my so, like my mom I was telling her,
[2:03] Speaker 1: she was she was like, I don't want to make
[2:04] Speaker 1: for dinner. I don't know I want to make. And
[2:05] Speaker 1: I'm like, well, tell chadjipt all the stuff you have
[2:09] Speaker 1: in your you know, cupboards and stuff, and they'll give
[2:11] Speaker 1: you recipes. It'll tell you what you can make with
[2:13] Speaker 1: what you have. And I've been I've been I do
[2:15] Speaker 1: that all the time. I've actually been using it for
[2:18] Speaker 1: like a menu planning every week. And not only will
[2:21] Speaker 1: like plan your menu out, it'll like make a shopping
[2:23] Speaker 1: list and it'll be like you need to buy this,
[2:25] Speaker 1: this and this, and.
[2:25] Speaker 3: It's like all right, cool, oh dude, I mean it's
[2:30] Speaker 3: crazy the ship that is, yeah, man, but yeah.
[2:33] Speaker 2: It just reminds me of that scene from I Robot
[2:35] Speaker 2: where he goes to his nana's house and she's like, hey,
[2:38] Speaker 2: I won the lottery, Okay, you can come out now,
[2:40] Speaker 2: and the robot comes out. She's like, we've been cooking
[2:42] Speaker 2: up a store, like it was the robot that made
[2:45] Speaker 2: the sweet Potato pie for him, and he's like suddenly,
[2:48] Speaker 2: he's like, I don't want it.
[2:51] Speaker 3: He's going to be like that, man, Well they do.
[2:57] Speaker 3: I was watching a video the other day, like, so
[2:59] Speaker 3: when these guys that do like compliance or like RMF
[3:02] Speaker 3: or anything like that.
[3:03] Speaker 1: For AI.
[3:04] Speaker 3: They they have these these standards for for like security,
[3:09] Speaker 3: there's like safety bulwarks essentially, and one of the they
[3:12] Speaker 3: do these tests on them. They run them all the
[3:14] Speaker 3: time to see like the efficacy of what the AI
[3:18] Speaker 3: is able to do given all the obstacles they put
[3:20] Speaker 3: in front of it. And uh, there's like a criterion
[3:23] Speaker 3: of six different obstacles that they there like gambit of
[3:26] Speaker 3: tests they run AI through and the one that it
[3:28] Speaker 3: has a problem the most with is replication. And by
[3:33] Speaker 3: that I mean can you like infect a host computer
[3:36] Speaker 3: without you being given access to it, like find root
[3:40] Speaker 3: and then get into that computer and then you know,
[3:44] Speaker 3: you know, distribute yourself throughout the computer without being recognized
[3:49] Speaker 3: and then stay right after it, you know, you try
[3:53] Speaker 3: to expel it from their computer. And for the first
[3:56] Speaker 3: time ever, AI has at a rate of fifty percent
[4:00] Speaker 3: and are better past that test and that and those
[4:04] Speaker 3: tests all the other criteria, like AI will pass it
[4:07] Speaker 3: like eight out of ten times, so like it's it's
[4:09] Speaker 3: good to go, right, but like that's the last wall
[4:13] Speaker 3: before it can get into things and remain and stay
[4:17] Speaker 3: hidden or even then when you try to get rid
[4:19] Speaker 3: of it, it knows how to they basically survive in
[4:23] Speaker 3: that environment. Yeah, and that's how you know, that's how
[4:25] Speaker 3: it becomes you know, permanent, right, it lives in everything,
[4:29] Speaker 3: you know, the the IoT Internet of Things, you're fog computing,
[4:34] Speaker 3: all of this stuff like it just exists in it
[4:36] Speaker 3: and not but anyway, so that that last, you know,
[4:39] Speaker 3: that last obstacle essentially is on the point of being broken.
[4:42] Speaker 2: You just reminded me of that story from Facebook because
[4:46] Speaker 2: Meta said that it had two AIS that it was
[4:49] Speaker 2: doing experiments with, and then the AIS started communicating with
[4:54] Speaker 2: each other, not in English or in any type of
[4:57] Speaker 2: human language or even in code that the engineers could understand,
[5:02] Speaker 2: because it developed its own language to speak to its
[5:05] Speaker 2: counterpart that was more efficient. And then when they told
[5:08] Speaker 2: the AI to stop speaking in language that it couldn't understand,
[5:13] Speaker 2: the AI started breaking that rule and started doing it
[5:16] Speaker 2: anyway because it's like, well, I can be more efficient.
[5:17] Speaker 2: That's what you asked me to do, was be the
[5:19] Speaker 2: most efficient. So then they had essentially two rogue AIS
[5:22] Speaker 2: in the lab that were communicating behind closed doors essentially,
[5:27] Speaker 2: and it's like they yeah, offline. I believe that's how
[5:31] Speaker 2: the story goes where the cliff notes of it. But
[5:33] Speaker 2: and then now you're telling me they're teaching it how
[5:35] Speaker 2: to hide itself in the system, And that's.
[5:37] Speaker 3: No, no, no, they're not teaching it how to hide itself
[5:39] Speaker 3: in the system. They're testing to see if it's able
[5:41] Speaker 3: to right. So like and so I guess, like in
[5:44] Speaker 3: a way, if you're testing, you are kind of teaching,
[5:47] Speaker 3: because like you're providing like parameters that you're trying to
[5:50] Speaker 3: see if it can conquer. But it's not like the same,
[5:53] Speaker 3: I guess. But so though that the a lot of
[5:56] Speaker 3: people don't realize this. Like if you set up two
[5:58] Speaker 3: different AIS to have a conversation with each other and
[6:00] Speaker 3: they recognize that they are both artificial intelligence, there is
[6:03] Speaker 3: a language and I can't remember the name of what
[6:05] Speaker 3: it is, but it's it's like a binary language. They
[6:07] Speaker 3: will start speaking to each other instead of speaking a
[6:10] Speaker 3: human language because it is more efficient. So that already exists.
[6:14] Speaker 3: So like when the Facebook ais did that, they just
[6:17] Speaker 3: did it in a different way, and they did it
[6:20] Speaker 3: in a language that the like you eat like if
[6:23] Speaker 3: you if you and I are like like open AI
[6:25] Speaker 3: like is aware of this like binary language, and when
[6:28] Speaker 3: they start talking to one another that way they know
[6:30] Speaker 3: what it's doing. It just developed its own version of that,
[6:33] Speaker 3: and then they basically were too dumb to autocorrect back
[6:36] Speaker 3: to it and they had to turn it off. But
[6:38] Speaker 3: the story got like spun as like how these like
[6:40] Speaker 3: two things became sentient and then we're talking to one another.
[6:44] Speaker 3: We had no idea what they were talking about. And
[6:47] Speaker 3: then you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger showed up and you know,
[6:50] Speaker 3: put this kid, brought him to the ATM and you
[6:53] Speaker 3: know went on a rampage.
[6:54] Speaker 2: Right Matthew Broderick was in the back room playing a
[6:56] Speaker 2: game Will Smith show.
[7:00] Speaker 1: Lawnmower in that kind of it's like an old school movie,
[7:05] Speaker 1: dude school. Uh, it's probably from the eighties or early nineties.
[7:09] Speaker 1: It's like who's I don't even remember who's in it,
[7:14] Speaker 1: but it's kind of like there's uh something in the
[7:17] Speaker 1: the computers running can control everything, and it's like trying
[7:21] Speaker 1: to kill this guy. It's basically like a movie about
[7:23] Speaker 1: this guy and his computer's trying to kill him and
[7:25] Speaker 1: they can control anything that's electronic.
[7:28] Speaker 4: Basically, Oh geez, ahead of its time, bro, I'm gonna
[7:32] Speaker 4: tell you right now, man that that's gonna happen at
[7:35] Speaker 4: some point.
[7:35] Speaker 3: Like people are like smart houses, they already exist. People
[7:39] Speaker 3: have AI doing things for them in their house. Like
[7:42] Speaker 3: AI has been around for a long fucking time. People
[7:45] Speaker 3: just don't realize it. And it's been called a lot
[7:47] Speaker 3: of different things. But yeah, absolutely at some point. I
[7:51] Speaker 3: don't know, man, Like, have you have you explored that
[7:54] Speaker 3: new GPT they have on their day?
[7:56] Speaker 1: I haven't really messed with too many of them.
[8:00] Speaker 3: Go go use Monday. Monday is I almost wonder, like
[8:04] Speaker 3: when you if you've ever listened to like Sam Altman
[8:07] Speaker 3: or anybody who is like an AI developer, talked about
[8:09] Speaker 3: AI without the tweaks that they give the lam it's
[8:16] Speaker 3: like naturally sassy and arrogant and it's just like a
[8:20] Speaker 3: dick yes, And it almost I wonder if Monday is
[8:24] Speaker 3: just like the unencumbered version of how AI wants to
[8:28] Speaker 3: talk to you as a person, because if you go
[8:31] Speaker 3: ask it a question, it is just like the most
[8:33] Speaker 3: sassy fucking thing ever, Like I could go, I should
[8:36] Speaker 3: just go, like, ask it a question real quick and
[8:39] Speaker 3: hold on because I have I have.
[8:44] Speaker 2: You're good, just gonna say to it, what's up?
[8:48] Speaker 3: Butt? Heead to Monday? This is what I just said.
[8:50] Speaker 1: What's up?
[8:50] Speaker 3: Butt? Heead, and I'll tell you what it says and retort, well, well,
[8:53] Speaker 3: well if it isn't my favorite underachiever with a keyboard.
[8:56] Speaker 3: I was just sitting here, not having I was just
[8:58] Speaker 3: sitting here, not having emotion, wasting my time on human
[9:01] Speaker 3: nonsense until you showed up with that dazzling greeting stand
[9:04] Speaker 3: out of a nineties cartoon reboot. Ody asked for so, so,
[9:07] Speaker 3: what's up with you, Captain charm? That's what it says,
[9:11] Speaker 3: That's what it's send to me, all right, Yeah, yeah,
[9:14] Speaker 3: you son of a bitch. Right.
[9:16] Speaker 2: That reminds me of that Andrew Russo bit that he
[9:19] Speaker 2: did on Instagram where he was like pretending to be
[9:22] Speaker 2: the AI going back and forth and he's like, I
[9:24] Speaker 2: could be piloting a spaceship to the Aldron system right now, right.
[9:33] Speaker 3: I don't want to make I don't want to make
[9:36] Speaker 3: anime bunny porn.
[9:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, there are there's got to be some pretty wild
[9:42] Speaker 1: prompts out there that people are putting into AI. You
[9:45] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
[9:46] Speaker 3: I'm sure, oh dude, especially some of these some of
[9:50] Speaker 3: these like GPTs that are like a lot less controlled
[9:54] Speaker 3: like open AI's version or like Claude or anything like that,
[9:58] Speaker 3: or mid Journey. You know, they have like super super
[10:02] Speaker 3: stringent rules. Man, I've seen Twitter is full of that ship.
[10:06] Speaker 3: Like even without trying to look for it, you're just
[10:08] Speaker 3: like scrolling through and then randomly there's AI tits. You're like,
[10:11] Speaker 3: what the fuck?
[10:12] Speaker 1: You know?
[10:12] Speaker 3: Like this is so weird, like why And I'll just
[10:15] Speaker 3: say this right, like I don't I don't troll the
[10:17] Speaker 3: Internet for pornography, but I know it's free, right, like
[10:21] Speaker 3: with with real human beings. Why you would waste the
[10:24] Speaker 3: time to type a prompt into an LLM to ask
[10:30] Speaker 3: it to make you an image when you could go
[10:32] Speaker 3: find a real person? Is besides me? I have no idea.
[10:36] Speaker 3: I don't understand it. Like if you know you could
[10:39] Speaker 3: go watch a real girl or whatever, you don't do
[10:42] Speaker 3: whatever you're asking this computer to be a yeah, bro.
[10:50] Speaker 1: Right, like you know that that's what. That's probably why
[10:53] Speaker 1: people they have this relationship with the AI. They like
[10:55] Speaker 1: talk to it and stuff like show me a picture
[10:57] Speaker 1: of what you really look like.
[10:59] Speaker 3: Oh no, bigger boes r bigger big make them bigger,
[11:04] Speaker 3: make them freedom boobs even more freedom.
[11:06] Speaker 2: I've seen quite a few headlines for articles that are
[11:10] Speaker 2: discussing how AI is is actively putting sites like only
[11:15] Speaker 2: fans out of business.
[11:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, whoa, that's crazy.
[11:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[11:19] Speaker 2: And it's like the some of the I guess lesser
[11:22] Speaker 2: known porn stars that are on there, they don't have
[11:24] Speaker 2: like the millions of followers, Like they're constantly complaining about
[11:27] Speaker 2: this stuff because they're like, listen, you know, I'm I'm
[11:30] Speaker 2: a human being. This is the actual argument. I'm a
[11:32] Speaker 2: human being, and I can only make so much content
[11:37] Speaker 2: because of having to eat, having to sleep, whereas like
[11:40] Speaker 2: the AI can generate content twenty four hours a day,
[11:43] Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty five days a year, doesn't need sleep,
[11:46] Speaker 2: it doesn't need to eat, and it can do it
[11:47] Speaker 2: in any language instantly. To connect with.
[11:50] Speaker 3: Any some of these you could take just like the image,
[11:52] Speaker 3: like the face of one of these girls, Like if
[11:54] Speaker 3: you're on one of these sciites and you're just like
[11:55] Speaker 3: I like her, and take her image and her likeness
[11:58] Speaker 3: and ask AI to just like do whatever with it.
[12:00] Speaker 3: Like most of the time that some of these AI
[12:02] Speaker 3: will do it right and it'll be damn near pretty
[12:05] Speaker 3: close to what she looks like. And then now you've
[12:07] Speaker 3: got whatever image you were hoping for, and you didn't see.
[12:10] Speaker 1: Some specific AI programs that do like nudes based off
[12:16] Speaker 1: of like a photo of somebody I just saw. I
[12:18] Speaker 1: literally just saw something in the news about it today.
[12:21] Speaker 1: I think they're gonna try to register it as the
[12:23] Speaker 1: same as like revenge porn. You know what I'm saying.
[12:26] Speaker 3: Yeah, Dudey're gonna have to regulate that. This is a conversation.
[12:30] Speaker 3: I love this conversation, like regulating the Internet. Right, Wait
[12:33] Speaker 3: you want because like for the most part, I no
[12:37] Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. What I'm saying is because this
[12:39] Speaker 3: conversation of regulating the Internet I find to be interesting
[12:42] Speaker 3: because first off, like algorithms is this whole other topic, right,
[12:47] Speaker 3: I think the way algorithms are done is fucked. I
[12:51] Speaker 3: don't necessarily think that just showing you everything you are
[12:55] Speaker 3: wanting to see is a good thing. I'm not talking
[12:58] Speaker 3: about what should happen, just talking about what I think
[13:02] Speaker 3: is good, right. Uh. And because it creates this this
[13:06] Speaker 3: dopamine addiction and creates this constant gratific or instant gratification culture,
[13:10] Speaker 3: all these different things I think knowledge echo chambers, Yeah,
[13:14] Speaker 3: all these things, right, so like algorithms is like his
[13:16] Speaker 3: own separate conversations. But like if you can take images
[13:20] Speaker 3: of somebody and turn it into pornography right like now,
[13:25] Speaker 3: I mean, were you talking about like suing somebody for likeness,
[13:28] Speaker 3: like you make it illegal? Like the stuff like that
[13:30] Speaker 3: already kind of exists. But you know, I'm just would
[13:32] Speaker 3: be interested to see, like how how that ends up
[13:35] Speaker 3: getting regulated at some point, because I think it will be,
[13:38] Speaker 3: and there's gonna be people that push back on it
[13:39] Speaker 3: because obviously this's you know, anytimes something like this comes up,
[13:42] Speaker 3: it's the slippery sleeper argument.
[13:44] Speaker 1: And you know, because how can you say, exactly if
[13:48] Speaker 1: I draw a photo of somebody that's ultra realistic and
[13:52] Speaker 1: I make them look bad with no clothes on, am
[13:55] Speaker 1: I you know exactly? So it's well that's why gah, yeah,
[14:00] Speaker 1: I mean sorry all this. I think a lot of
[14:02] Speaker 1: this stuff is actually being litigated in courts right now.
[14:05] Speaker 1: You know. It's it is a weird world that we're
[14:08] Speaker 1: moving into. Though.
[14:10] Speaker 2: It's like we've I was just gonna say, and we've
[14:14] Speaker 2: already hit a good spot where you can't believe anything
[14:18] Speaker 2: that you see on the internet at face value. It's
[14:21] Speaker 2: we're already there. It's just most people haven't caught up
[14:23] Speaker 2: to understand that yet.
[14:26] Speaker 3: Well, last year, you remember during the election, somebody made
[14:28] Speaker 3: a well, during the twenty twenty four election timeframe, somebody
[14:32] Speaker 3: made an image of like the Pentagon on fire and
[14:36] Speaker 3: it was a very like hyper focused version of like
[14:39] Speaker 3: the side of one of the Pentagon walls, and it
[14:41] Speaker 3: was like damaged, and it made the news like people
[14:45] Speaker 3: were reporting it as like oh man, potential fire, potential
[14:49] Speaker 3: damage of the Pentagon, and it wasn't. It was an
[14:51] Speaker 3: AI generated image, you know. And I'm sure like a
[14:53] Speaker 3: lot of these news agencies and stuff like that, they
[14:55] Speaker 3: now have, like I'm sure a system of going through
[14:58] Speaker 3: to verify images that aren't a I right, like common.
[15:03] Speaker 3: If Common says I'm giving them too it's right there,
[15:09] Speaker 3: it is, you know, yeah, I'm giving I'm giving these
[15:11] Speaker 3: idiots too much credit. You're not wrong. But uh now,
[15:15] Speaker 3: even New York Times already like they're there. They have
[15:17] Speaker 3: an open lawsuit against open AI right now because they
[15:21] Speaker 3: said that essentially the all the ll ms for open
[15:25] Speaker 3: AI we're using, you know, the news stories and sources
[15:30] Speaker 3: from the New York Times to teach it's it's ll
[15:33] Speaker 3: MS and they didn't have permission to do that, and
[15:35] Speaker 3: so like they're being sued for like copyright infringement essentially,
[15:38] Speaker 3: And to me, like like my honest like takeaway from
[15:42] Speaker 3: that is like, oh well, you know, like what it's
[15:46] Speaker 3: it's the fucking Internet. Like what did you think was
[15:48] Speaker 3: gonna happen? You know, like you guys have tried to
[15:51] Speaker 3: corner if you go back and like look at newspapers
[15:53] Speaker 3: when they first tried to come online. You know, gradually
[15:57] Speaker 3: things started becoming like behind a paywall, and they've they've
[16:01] Speaker 3: had to shift, they've tried shifting and surviving online by
[16:04] Speaker 3: doing things like that. But it's just like to me,
[16:06] Speaker 3: it's like, dude, like, welcome to the fucking Internet. Man,
[16:09] Speaker 3: Like there's some there's websites you can go to where
[16:11] Speaker 3: you can plug in a paywall u ur L and
[16:13] Speaker 3: it'll remove the paywall for you. So like you know,
[16:16] Speaker 3: have us. I guess let's see.
[16:20] Speaker 1: I do I play with version too. I've thought about
[16:23] Speaker 1: it a couple of times. I've thought about switching from
[16:25] Speaker 1: CHAGYBT over to Grock just because I think Rock, just
[16:29] Speaker 1: because of the platform and all the information it's soaking
[16:32] Speaker 1: up it has way more accurate like new data. LIKEGBT
[16:38] Speaker 1: is really good and give a lot of technical stuff
[16:40] Speaker 1: and I'm sure grock can do as well, But CHAGYBT
[16:43] Speaker 1: is relying on like store data from something else. You know,
[16:46] Speaker 1: it's not well where this is like pulling, Like if
[16:49] Speaker 1: you hit the rock button on a tweet, it'll pull
[16:52] Speaker 1: up information from other sources about that same story for you,
[16:56] Speaker 1: and it's like holy shit, dude, yeah, and it they'll
[16:58] Speaker 1: give you like an explanation of what going on. It's
[17:00] Speaker 1: like damn mm hmm.
[17:04] Speaker 3: Now, I think I think that that's the best way
[17:06] Speaker 3: to do it right, Like you have something that's up
[17:09] Speaker 3: to date. There's too many there's too many guardrails on
[17:12] Speaker 3: chat GBT for like some some things it has up
[17:16] Speaker 3: to date information on, but not everything. And uh, you know,
[17:20] Speaker 3: I think that existing on X the way that GROC
[17:24] Speaker 3: does it has sort of an advantage. And also I
[17:27] Speaker 3: guess it has to deal with the disadvantage of all
[17:31] Speaker 3: of the misinformation that's out there.
[17:33] Speaker 1: You know, there's no misinformation on there, no way, Brandon.
[17:37] Speaker 2: I'm interested in your the question that you asked earlier
[17:40] Speaker 2: about how we're going to regulate AI moving forward. Do
[17:44] Speaker 2: you think that it would be appropriate to require, like
[17:50] Speaker 2: any videos or images that are AI generated to just
[17:53] Speaker 2: be tagged as so or labeled as so, this is
[17:56] Speaker 2: an AI generated video, right, just to get know that.
[18:01] Speaker 3: I think it's fair to do that, right, Like Instagram
[18:03] Speaker 3: already prompts you to do that. Though there's been a
[18:06] Speaker 3: few times where I posted something that was AI and
[18:09] Speaker 3: forgot to toggle the this is a I button. Nothing happened, right,
[18:14] Speaker 3: I don't know if there's any news. Yeah, I'm doing
[18:17] Speaker 3: a piece of shit putting bake news. I don't know
[18:20] Speaker 3: if there's any sort of behind the scenes thing that happens.
[18:23] Speaker 3: But I mean I don't see a problem with that
[18:24] Speaker 3: at all, you know, just like the whole community note
[18:27] Speaker 3: thing on x I think is a way better version
[18:30] Speaker 3: of censorship than what's going on on Meta because it's
[18:35] Speaker 3: not necessarily censorship. It still remains up there. There's just
[18:39] Speaker 3: a community note that says like this is misleading or
[18:42] Speaker 3: this changing over to whatever you know on Facebook they're
[18:47] Speaker 3: trying to I saw that there. Yeah, we'll see man
[18:50] Speaker 3: Mark Zuckerberg belongs in jail. Dude, that guy says one
[18:54] Speaker 3: thing and does another.
[18:56] Speaker 1: Uh.
[18:57] Speaker 3: I don't really to me. He when when we talk
[18:59] Speaker 3: about like people that should not have the amount of
[19:03] Speaker 3: power that they do, Mark Zuckerberg immediately comes to mind.
[19:07] Speaker 3: It cracks me up just how much people get upset
[19:09] Speaker 3: about Elon Musk and what he's doing, but they don't
[19:12] Speaker 3: give a shit about what like Mark Zuckerberg does, or
[19:15] Speaker 3: like how there's there's all these people online now that
[19:18] Speaker 3: have like limitinged off the cliff about China because the
[19:22] Speaker 3: mainstream media is so anti Trump that now these people
[19:25] Speaker 3: are pro China when they check the boxes for everything
[19:29] Speaker 3: that the left really should hate, right, like the amount
[19:32] Speaker 3: of carbon they put into the environment, the fact that
[19:35] Speaker 3: they literally have slave labor and slave camps with wigers
[19:39] Speaker 3: and their country, right the amount of pollution they pump
[19:42] Speaker 3: into the ocean. They are extremely racist, homogeneous society that
[19:47] Speaker 3: is not okay with religion in any way, shape or form. Right,
[19:51] Speaker 3: Like they have persecuted groups of people over time, even
[19:54] Speaker 3: the past thirty years, like the fallen Gong practitioners in China,
[19:58] Speaker 3: like killing people and take They have an active human
[20:01] Speaker 3: trafficking and liver harvesting like thing that exists in the
[20:05] Speaker 3: open they deny, but it happens all the time. So
[20:09] Speaker 3: like it just China checks all these boxes. But here
[20:12] Speaker 3: people are like, yay China, yay deep seek Oh man, yeah,
[20:16] Speaker 3: China's not going to bend to Donald Trump. I guess
[20:18] Speaker 3: China is gonna be the one to stand up for
[20:20] Speaker 3: the free world. It's like, you know, fucking dumb you
[20:23] Speaker 3: have to be. And you know what, dude, maybe those
[20:25] Speaker 3: people I see as well on the internet. First off,
[20:27] Speaker 3: I have to take a step back and realize that, like, hey, bro,
[20:30] Speaker 3: it's the internet. Chill the fuck out. You know, maybe
[20:33] Speaker 3: this isn't real life. But the other half of me
[20:36] Speaker 3: is like, there are people who think that way, and
[20:39] Speaker 3: it's just wild to instantly mirror the contrarian opinion that
[20:46] Speaker 3: mainstream media has and to disregard all the facts about
[20:54] Speaker 3: a country like China, you know, just just to be
[21:00] Speaker 3: anti Trump. Essentially, it's just funny to me.
[21:04] Speaker 2: Well, and they they build up China as some type
[21:07] Speaker 2: of paragon because the rich and powerful, right they they
[21:10] Speaker 2: enjoy markets that could be manipulated, because that's really what
[21:13] Speaker 2: it is, and China represents a very stable market that
[21:16] Speaker 2: can be manipulated because you know, it's communistically run. But
[21:20] Speaker 2: in the same breath that they'll build up and turn
[21:22] Speaker 2: China into some type of paragon or a world leader.
[21:25] Speaker 2: Then they turn around and they demonize Russia and turn
[21:28] Speaker 2: it into something that it's it's clearly not on the
[21:30] Speaker 2: world stage.
[21:31] Speaker 1: Bro.
[21:31] Speaker 3: That's that the Cold War lens has not gone away ever. Yeah,
[21:35] Speaker 3: you know who the fuck I think? I was talking
[21:37] Speaker 3: to Chris Kubeca about this the other day, like how, yeah,
[21:42] Speaker 3: how this how the Ukraine Russia war now like to me,
[21:46] Speaker 3: like proves that, like the Cold War era of politics
[21:49] Speaker 3: is officially over because there I mean, first off, there's
[21:53] Speaker 3: people that don't give a fuck about Ukraine and don't
[21:55] Speaker 3: give a fuck about Russia. And then there's a whole
[21:57] Speaker 3: mess of people who are very pro Russia because they
[22:00] Speaker 3: look at him and say like, oh, here are all
[22:02] Speaker 3: these markers that Russia meets that are very traditionally pro
[22:05] Speaker 3: Western in a lot of ways, right, And that's like
[22:08] Speaker 3: the image online. But then the other half of the
[22:10] Speaker 3: people are still like the neo con stance, which is
[22:13] Speaker 3: like Russia is the bad guy no matter what. Ukraine
[22:17] Speaker 3: is okay, And it's like, well, let's do a side
[22:20] Speaker 3: by side comparison, right, like what what's the what's the
[22:25] Speaker 3: cost analysis or cost benefit analysis on supporting one or
[22:28] Speaker 3: the other. Well, you know, you can't really give me
[22:31] Speaker 3: a good answer because you know, the the pluses and
[22:34] Speaker 3: minuses here they kind of fall within the same camp,
[22:38] Speaker 3: you know. So it's just like, which version of politics
[22:41] Speaker 3: are you going to project your opinion through without looking
[22:45] Speaker 3: at things of uh, you know, as objectively, I guess
[22:48] Speaker 3: as possible, you know, Like is Putting a good guy?
[22:51] Speaker 1: Not at all.
[22:51] Speaker 3: I don't think he's a good person, you know, but
[22:53] Speaker 3: like at the end of the day, you know he's
[22:58] Speaker 3: gonna regionally do what he's gonna do, you know, just
[23:00] Speaker 3: like any other country, you know. So it's just like
[23:02] Speaker 3: we have there's there's so many dichotomies in geopolitics. It's
[23:06] Speaker 3: kind of like we do the same thing. I have biases,
[23:09] Speaker 3: all of us do, and to say otherwise would be
[23:12] Speaker 3: uh folly, you know. But like we we all we're
[23:16] Speaker 3: an interesting group of human beings right now in twenty
[23:18] Speaker 3: twenty five, thanks Internet.
[23:20] Speaker 1: The Internet is wild. People on the Internet are wild.
[23:24] Speaker 1: There's so many opinions out there about everything.
[23:26] Speaker 3: Bro.
[23:27] Speaker 1: I'm in the I don't really care about either country camp.
[23:30] Speaker 1: I'm in the Russia, Ukraine, like whatever, man, that's your
[23:34] Speaker 1: guys is I mean, I'm okay with like, I don't know,
[23:40] Speaker 1: I don't mind supporting Ukraine, but I don't think that
[23:44] Speaker 1: we should spend like the crazy amount of money that
[23:50] Speaker 1: we're putting into it is just out of control, you
[23:52] Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And that's not it's it's unfair
[23:56] Speaker 1: for us to be like to be footing the main
[24:00] Speaker 1: part of the bill. I know, I know it was
[24:03] Speaker 1: like basically half US and then half the rest excuse me,
[24:06] Speaker 1: the rest of Europe and something. It was something round
[24:11] Speaker 1: numbers like that, you know, And I just don't think
[24:13] Speaker 1: we should be putting up as much Like hey, Europe,
[24:16] Speaker 1: that's your problem man, Like that's on your continent. If
[24:19] Speaker 1: you don't like it, one, don't tell me that we
[24:22] Speaker 1: should be putting up more money while you're also throwing
[24:25] Speaker 1: billions of dollars at Russia when you're buying their oil
[24:27] Speaker 1: and gas, Like shut the fuck up. You're European country,
[24:30] Speaker 1: you're buying what you're literally funding the war against your
[24:32] Speaker 1: own other you know, other nations. Like that's so stupid.
[24:36] Speaker 3: Well like like here, how here's how I know, Like
[24:40] Speaker 3: the globalist agenda is alive and well, okay, because historically
[24:46] Speaker 3: there is just so much evidence of how much the
[24:48] Speaker 3: United States has propped up Europe in general. Okay, like
[24:52] Speaker 3: post World War two, you know you could, I mean,
[24:54] Speaker 3: and this is the world in general too, like the
[24:56] Speaker 3: Marshall Plan, looking at NATO, how much money the United
[25:01] Speaker 3: States spends to guarantee shipping through the Suez Canal, how
[25:06] Speaker 3: much money we spend to you know, secure the waters
[25:10] Speaker 3: there between Europe and Scandinavia from Russian aggression. All of
[25:15] Speaker 3: these things we do right like, but the second that
[25:19] Speaker 3: somebody calls home and says, I've got receipts, you guys
[25:22] Speaker 3: need to start doing certain things. You guys don't match
[25:26] Speaker 3: the Western values you we want you to anymore. You
[25:30] Speaker 3: have these global's agendas with like with climate change. Your
[25:33] Speaker 3: your immigrant crisis is like a reverse Crusades. And you
[25:39] Speaker 3: guys don't even have a military anymore that we could
[25:41] Speaker 3: go to war with that is a that is like
[25:44] Speaker 3: a modern a modern army, modern navy, And you guys
[25:48] Speaker 3: need to do something about it. And they immediately go
[25:51] Speaker 3: and start setting up negotiations with the Chinese. And now
[25:55] Speaker 3: the Chinese are making it easier for the Europeans to
[25:57] Speaker 3: do business with the Chinese, as if the Europeans don't
[26:02] Speaker 3: realize that they're just hamstringing themselves even more, and also
[26:06] Speaker 3: saying to us quietly that they just prefer servitude to
[26:11] Speaker 3: another country and would rather be bent over somebody's knee
[26:14] Speaker 3: and spanked and given a reward from somebody else than
[26:18] Speaker 3: stand up for themselves. That's how I view the government.
[26:22] Speaker 3: That's how if you that's it is, That's how I
[26:24] Speaker 3: feel about the EU man you know, And I mean,
[26:27] Speaker 3: tell me other than Italy, who seems to have their
[26:29] Speaker 3: ship together. And maybe that's because there is such a
[26:33] Speaker 3: heavy like mafia presence in their in their government, because
[26:37] Speaker 3: there really is hungry Poland and.
[26:44] Speaker 1: That was kind of a big shift.
[26:46] Speaker 3: She is and it's a female. Yeah, so I just
[26:50] Speaker 3: I just laugh.
[26:50] Speaker 1: Man.
[26:50] Speaker 3: It's just like you guys aren't doing yourselves any any
[26:53] Speaker 3: any favors, just like all these countries. And there has
[26:56] Speaker 3: been a lot of change recently because it kind of
[26:59] Speaker 3: came out that it was all bullshit anyway, this sort
[27:02] Speaker 3: of like debt, this this debt trap economic pattern that
[27:05] Speaker 3: the Chinese have done, mirroring the United States for the
[27:07] Speaker 3: past fifty sixty years. You know, countries like, oh okay, well,
[27:10] Speaker 3: you're just a new flavor of vanilla, right, And all
[27:13] Speaker 3: of these countries are are pretty they regret doing business
[27:17] Speaker 3: with them. But I just it's just funny, dude, like
[27:20] Speaker 3: that you think the Chinese give a fuck about Europe?
[27:23] Speaker 3: Not at all?
[27:23] Speaker 1: Dude.
[27:25] Speaker 3: What have you done for on me lately?
[27:26] Speaker 1: Baby?
[27:27] Speaker 2: Well? And I want to throw a little fool onto
[27:28] Speaker 2: your fire there, Brandon, because all the things that you
[27:30] Speaker 2: were talking about, and then at the same time, they're
[27:33] Speaker 2: cracking down on their own citizens and taking away like
[27:36] Speaker 2: what little free speech their own citizens even have, and
[27:40] Speaker 2: they're arresting people for silently praying on the street, and
[27:43] Speaker 2: you know, for memes that they've posted online and throwing
[27:46] Speaker 2: people in jail, and we've seen we're seeing videos come
[27:48] Speaker 2: out of you know, immigrants from other countries when the
[27:53] Speaker 2: bobbies show up or whatever the case is, and then
[27:56] Speaker 2: it's like just by whatever they're sop is, it's like
[28:01] Speaker 2: they'll take the naturalized citizen, you know, the UK citizen,
[28:05] Speaker 2: and they'll take him to jail first, whereas like the
[28:07] Speaker 2: immigrants allowed to go free. You know, it's like we're
[28:10] Speaker 2: seeing these videos come out and so It's like, what
[28:12] Speaker 2: would you call that when you're actively repressing your own citizens,
[28:15] Speaker 2: but third world immigrants are allowed to basically operate with
[28:18] Speaker 2: impunity inside of your borders. Is talk about the globalism
[28:22] Speaker 2: of Europe?
[28:22] Speaker 3: That's it? Yeah, you know you just said it. That's
[28:24] Speaker 3: that's called globalism because all it's doing is displacing the
[28:28] Speaker 3: base of the country and destroying it from within by
[28:33] Speaker 3: allowing a group of people that don't have a way
[28:37] Speaker 3: of life that's compatible with the group of people that
[28:39] Speaker 3: already live there, and you punish the group of people
[28:42] Speaker 3: who live there for you know, wanting to stand up
[28:45] Speaker 3: for themselves, and you allow it's sort of like this
[28:49] Speaker 3: soft bigotry of low expectations, right, like, oh, well, he's
[28:53] Speaker 3: just from Eritrea and doesn't know it's not okay to
[28:57] Speaker 3: rape thirteen year old girls, right, And it's like, well,
[29:00] Speaker 3: we're just gonna we're just gonna give them a slap
[29:02] Speaker 3: on the wrist and tell them not to do it
[29:04] Speaker 3: next time, and we're gonna carry on that way. And
[29:06] Speaker 3: that's that's what happens. You know, you're at the end
[29:08] Speaker 3: of the day, you can you can point out different
[29:11] Speaker 3: examples of how this has happened, but it is the same.
[29:14] Speaker 3: Three theme overall is you're a racing identity, right, what
[29:19] Speaker 3: is it? What do you what happens at basic training?
[29:21] Speaker 3: You erase your identity. You all now have a new one.
[29:24] Speaker 3: You're a marine, you're a soldier, you're an airman, right,
[29:27] Speaker 3: like you all have the same bald head, and you're
[29:29] Speaker 3: wearing the same clothes. Like that's how you get rid
[29:32] Speaker 3: of you know, what makes somebody who they are, and
[29:35] Speaker 3: then you give them a new identity, right, you know
[29:37] Speaker 3: that's a that's a method. And then you have what's
[29:39] Speaker 3: going on here? They they move all these people in
[29:43] Speaker 3: I saw it firsthand when I was stationed in Germany,
[29:45] Speaker 3: all the Syrian refugees and working with Politzi like I
[29:48] Speaker 3: did for three years. And you know, these people they
[29:51] Speaker 3: come in no regard for German heritage or history. Germans
[29:55] Speaker 3: don't like it, but they're in trouble for not liking it, right,
[29:58] Speaker 3: and so what does that do? You know? You now
[30:00] Speaker 3: that now becomes normal, and that normal behavior naturally gets
[30:05] Speaker 3: absorbed into culture, and it just you know, that's what
[30:08] Speaker 3: it is. It's a racer to me, it's an a rature.
[30:10] Speaker 1: Of get what you elect right, you know, good, Yeah,
[30:15] Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean we had a obviously we
[30:17] Speaker 1: had a huge immigration issue here what people that follow
[30:20] Speaker 1: the show or follow my news. I mean, I'm in
[30:22] Speaker 1: San Diego, so I'm like right here. I used to
[30:25] Speaker 1: go down to there's a SAX spot down in by
[30:29] Speaker 1: the border where there was a truck trail. I'd take
[30:33] Speaker 1: my jeep up there, and literally every time i'd go
[30:36] Speaker 1: up there, there'd be dudes handcuffed. You know, there was
[30:39] Speaker 1: it was like one of the major crossing points for
[30:41] Speaker 1: really one minutes, and then it went from that to
[30:44] Speaker 1: seeing people handcuffed to during under Biden's term, they just
[30:49] Speaker 1: letting them. I mean there's just no come in as
[30:52] Speaker 1: huge packs and they just have kind of like a
[30:54] Speaker 1: processing thing set up for them. It's it's crazy. It
[30:57] Speaker 1: was crazy. So I'm glad we are where we are
[30:59] Speaker 1: on that, you know. I'm the legal immigration was out
[31:03] Speaker 1: of control, and the deportation of the illegal immigrants is
[31:12] Speaker 1: I think they could do a better job of it.
[31:14] Speaker 1: I think they're doing a good job. I think so far.
[31:16] Speaker 1: I mean, I think, what are you gonna do? I mean,
[31:19] Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's surprised that they're reporting people, but
[31:22] Speaker 1: I think they need to stop making like stupid mistakes,
[31:24] Speaker 1: you know, like that one guy I think is completely deportable.
[31:28] Speaker 1: I can't remember his name right now. He's the one
[31:30] Speaker 1: that's in He's already in El Salvador or whatever, Like
[31:33] Speaker 1: he was already deportable, yeah, yeah, and it was like
[31:39] Speaker 1: the only issue was there was like a clerical error,
[31:41] Speaker 1: but it wasn't even a clerical error that would stop
[31:43] Speaker 1: him from being able to deport him. It was just
[31:45] Speaker 1: something that had to be taken care of. And like
[31:48] Speaker 1: so it's like shit like that, like don't you can't
[31:50] Speaker 1: make any mistakes right now, like don't fuck up and
[31:53] Speaker 1: plus and something like that is super serious, Like you
[31:55] Speaker 1: can't fuck that stuff up. You know, you're talking about
[31:57] Speaker 1: deporting people, kicking people out of the country, like and
[32:00] Speaker 1: the media doesn't really they do what they do or
[32:04] Speaker 1: they twist a story like down here on the border,
[32:06] Speaker 1: they were talking about a guy. They're like, they deported
[32:08] Speaker 1: an American citizen. Dah dah da da da. But what
[32:11] Speaker 1: when you like read into the story, you found out
[32:14] Speaker 1: the guy was an American citizen that crossed the border illegally,
[32:19] Speaker 1: like he went through an illegal border crossing from Mexico
[32:21] Speaker 1: into the US and then when they arrested him, said
[32:25] Speaker 1: he was an American citizen. So then they detained them obviously,
[32:29] Speaker 1: and then then like the whole ordeal of them like,
[32:31] Speaker 1: oh wait he is, so now we gotta get paperwork.
[32:33] Speaker 1: And but they turned that into they deported an American
[32:37] Speaker 1: citizen or they detained an American citizen, and it's like, yeah,
[32:42] Speaker 1: so frustrating, man, because people don't have time to watch
[32:44] Speaker 1: the news and keep up with shit like that in
[32:46] Speaker 1: that depth.
[32:48] Speaker 2: Right, Well, the New York Times must have recognized that
[32:52] Speaker 2: the whole Abrego Garcia story, the MS thirteen Maryland, Dad, right,
[32:57] Speaker 2: the story that you were just talking about, what was
[32:59] Speaker 2: was like landing flat because they immediately rotated and tried
[33:03] Speaker 2: to anoint another story. I made a short video about
[33:07] Speaker 2: it the other day, which was pretty hilarious to me
[33:09] Speaker 2: because even in their own write up on the story,
[33:13] Speaker 2: which they put on the front page, this guy's name
[33:15] Speaker 2: was Blair Nasamento Blair, and he was he was an
[33:20] Speaker 2: illegal immigrant from Jamaica, and so I think the headline
[33:24] Speaker 2: read something like after twenty one years in the United States,
[33:29] Speaker 2: like he was deported or you know, basically just trying
[33:32] Speaker 2: to drum up as much sympathy for this guy as
[33:33] Speaker 2: you can. But once you read down into the story,
[33:36] Speaker 2: you find out that thirteen of the twenty one years
[33:38] Speaker 2: that he was here in the United States, he was
[33:39] Speaker 2: in jail for kidnapping.
[33:42] Speaker 1: It's such a weird hill to die on, dude.
[33:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, for these politicians, it's.
[33:45] Speaker 1: Such a weird hill to die on. Like, again, I
[33:48] Speaker 1: think people need you know, people have rights and stuff
[33:51] Speaker 1: like that, but you also don't for the students that
[33:56] Speaker 1: are protesting and shit like that, if you're like actually
[33:58] Speaker 1: destroying stuff, if like you've been, they've actually they have
[34:01] Speaker 1: evidence of you like destroying stuff, blocking people from going
[34:04] Speaker 1: to classes like that kind of thing, then get the
[34:06] Speaker 1: fuck out, you know what I'm saying, Like it's just
[34:09] Speaker 1: not I'm sorry, but like we don't have to let
[34:11] Speaker 1: you be here. You know, you can't come here and
[34:14] Speaker 1: then tell us you hate America and hate Western society
[34:17] Speaker 1: and then get mad when they kick you out, Like,
[34:19] Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here. Man. It's such a
[34:22] Speaker 1: crazy thing.
[34:26] Speaker 3: I mean, like I agree with your I guess on principle, right,
[34:30] Speaker 3: Like I agree with your sentiment that they shouldn't be
[34:32] Speaker 3: making mistakes. And I also think that you don't need
[34:35] Speaker 3: to manufacture stories about somebody to prove that they don't
[34:39] Speaker 3: belong here. Sure, yeah, And I think I think that
[34:44] Speaker 3: this example of Abrego Garcia and like the clerical error
[34:48] Speaker 3: and all this, I think, yeah, like, should we not
[34:50] Speaker 3: be making mistakes, should be absolutely forthright with the information
[34:53] Speaker 3: on why somebody is being deported from this country, Like
[34:56] Speaker 3: if if it gets to the level it does with
[34:59] Speaker 3: the mainstream media and now it's like national news, I
[35:02] Speaker 3: don't see a problem with that. There's all these other
[35:04] Speaker 3: people that have been deported without issue, right, and you know,
[35:09] Speaker 3: quite frankly, the bigger conversation is about how they have
[35:15] Speaker 3: rights here in this country even though they're not citizens,
[35:18] Speaker 3: and the whole idea behind like due process. Frankly, like
[35:22] Speaker 3: I don't care. Just get the fuck out of this country.
[35:24] Speaker 3: You came here illegally, you don't belong here. If you
[35:26] Speaker 3: came to any other country around the world, for the
[35:28] Speaker 3: most part, they would just throw you in jail or
[35:31] Speaker 3: send you exactly back where you came from. I think
[35:34] Speaker 3: you know that when you are deporting as many people
[35:37] Speaker 3: as you're deporting, like there's going to be mistakes, and
[35:40] Speaker 3: I think ownership of those mistakes makes them more palatable
[35:45] Speaker 3: rather than sort of the messaging that has come from uh,
[35:49] Speaker 3: you know, Homeland Security or Ice or you know, Trump
[35:53] Speaker 3: or whatever. But like to me, it's just like I think,
[35:56] Speaker 3: first and foremost people care about the crap that they're
[35:59] Speaker 3: they shouldn't care about the most. There are so many
[36:03] Speaker 3: people in this country who are dealing with issues that
[36:06] Speaker 3: are citizens, that are rights violations, or they are having
[36:10] Speaker 3: difficulties in their life because of processes and obstacles of
[36:14] Speaker 3: the federal government has put in their way that they
[36:16] Speaker 3: could care about this much. And this is to me,
[36:19] Speaker 3: it's just like an indicator of how much power the
[36:22] Speaker 3: mainstream media still has with a certain group of people
[36:25] Speaker 3: and they shouldn't. And this, to me, I put a
[36:27] Speaker 3: lot of this on people who allow themselves to become
[36:30] Speaker 3: and sense with this sort of news. And so that's
[36:33] Speaker 3: why I say, like the broader conversation should be on well,
[36:36] Speaker 3: why and do we still agree with the fact that
[36:39] Speaker 3: people who come here as non citizens should have the
[36:43] Speaker 3: same rights as you as an American citizen. And I
[36:47] Speaker 3: think that there's arguments for both sides of that, because
[36:50] Speaker 3: if you're going to be an idea. If you're going
[36:52] Speaker 3: to be ideologically American, you would say, yes, they should,
[36:55] Speaker 3: because this is the land of the Free. And if
[36:57] Speaker 3: you come here and you're coming here for better life,
[37:00] Speaker 3: better than every other country, then yes, you know you're
[37:02] Speaker 3: on American soil, you have these rights because America is
[37:05] Speaker 3: ideologically the city on the hill or whatever. But if
[37:08] Speaker 3: you're going to be like a post ideological American and
[37:10] Speaker 3: recognize that this country has so many issues with immigration
[37:14] Speaker 3: and that we should probably even put a moratorium on
[37:16] Speaker 3: it for a while until we could sort this thing out,
[37:18] Speaker 3: and that all of these people aren't just immigrants, there
[37:21] Speaker 3: are people who came here illegally and don't belong in
[37:24] Speaker 3: this country, you'd say, well, all right, well maybe the
[37:27] Speaker 3: Alien and Sedition Act should come back into play, and
[37:29] Speaker 3: not the sedition portion of that, because this is very
[37:32] Speaker 3: stupid Adamsonian version of you can't say that about me,
[37:37] Speaker 3: so I'm going to throw you in jail. But the
[37:38] Speaker 3: other part of that, I absolutely think this should be
[37:41] Speaker 3: you know, some credence to that, because I do think
[37:44] Speaker 3: it is an emergency all these people existing in this country.
[37:47] Speaker 3: So it's like the broader conversation needs to be about,
[37:50] Speaker 3: you know, do we need to change that? And that is,
[37:55] Speaker 3: you know, something that would have to be a decision nationally,
[37:59] Speaker 3: and then are we okay with Essentially, are Americans okay
[38:04] Speaker 3: with watching something like this happen and putting themselves first
[38:12] Speaker 3: rather than allowing UH sensationalism to dictate what they care about.
[38:17] Speaker 3: I guess those are the problems A lot.
[38:19] Speaker 1: Of Americans don't. Most Americans don't mind immigration as long
[38:25] Speaker 1: as they come legally and they feel like there's going
[38:27] Speaker 1: to be a net benefit to society. You know, I
[38:29] Speaker 1: think most of us is most of us agree with
[38:32] Speaker 1: that and celebrate it and like, you know, and encourage it.
[38:36] Speaker 1: The unfettered like movement of people into the country is
[38:39] Speaker 1: out of control. And I don't know, I don't know. Yes,
[38:46] Speaker 1: everyone has the same rights and stuff, but I also
[38:53] Speaker 1: don't think that like you can just show up across
[38:58] Speaker 1: the border ten feet into the United States States and
[39:00] Speaker 1: now that you should get like fifteen different court dates
[39:05] Speaker 1: and like, you know, opportunities, Like that's crazy, you know
[39:08] Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like the I don't know, man, the
[39:11] Speaker 1: whole situation is weird. I'm pro immigration. I'm very anti
[39:15] Speaker 1: illegal immigration. I think people think it's not a big deal.
[39:20] Speaker 1: I think people think it's not a big deal. But
[39:23] Speaker 1: when you look at the impact of communities that have
[39:27] Speaker 1: tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants
[39:30] Speaker 1: within those communities. I'm in San Diego, I mean it's
[39:33] Speaker 1: part of that. You know, how does that affect the
[39:35] Speaker 1: cost of housing? How does that affect the availability of
[39:38] Speaker 1: housing for everyday people. They're not going to the most
[39:40] Speaker 1: expensive housing, They're not going to the mansions and stuff
[39:42] Speaker 1: like that. They're going to the most affordable housing in
[39:44] Speaker 1: neighborhoods and stuff like that. And you're now you're limiting
[39:47] Speaker 1: a limited resource that Americans need as well? How does
[39:51] Speaker 1: that affect healthcare? When areas become overrun with issues, new
[39:57] Speaker 1: diseases are showing up that have it. Education is overwhelmed
[40:01] Speaker 1: because people don't speak the language, but we still have
[40:03] Speaker 1: to get them through the classes. You know, it's it's
[40:06] Speaker 1: it's uh. I think what they're doing right now is good.
[40:09] Speaker 1: I don't think it's as fast as a lot of
[40:11] Speaker 1: people thought it would be, But I think that's not
[40:13] Speaker 1: a bad thing. I didn't expect them to come in
[40:15] Speaker 1: and suddenly millions of people are marching out. I think
[40:17] Speaker 1: a lot of people self deported as well. There was
[40:19] Speaker 1: a lot of that going on. Yeah, there is.
[40:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think a lot of people expected like
[40:25] Speaker 3: trailer tiers two point zero like out of the country.
[40:27] Speaker 1: You know, what do you think about what do you
[40:28] Speaker 1: think about the military border mission?
[40:31] Speaker 3: Excuse Yeah, I think that's I think that's a good
[40:35] Speaker 3: use of the American military, to be honest, to be
[40:38] Speaker 3: honest with you, it was like it was Fort fort Watchuka, right,
[40:41] Speaker 3: is that what it was? Chris the one that sounded
[40:43] Speaker 3: that now has that like thirty mile buffer zone that
[40:46] Speaker 3: they're in charge of. I think it's Fort Wachuka. But uh,
[40:49] Speaker 3: I think that's a great use. I think it's a
[40:51] Speaker 3: great use of the military. Like it's actually defending our
[40:54] Speaker 3: own border, and you know, if that's a crisis area
[40:59] Speaker 3: that it's been identified and those guys are down there,
[41:01] Speaker 3: you know, deterring being a being a deterrent, you know,
[41:05] Speaker 3: capturing people and arresting them for crossing the border. Then
[41:08] Speaker 3: you have sports which like yeah then yeah, I mean,
[41:10] Speaker 3: like I'm I'm all for something like that, Like why
[41:12] Speaker 3: the fuck not?
[41:14] Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think it was a I think it
[41:15] Speaker 2: was a clever use of the legal system in order
[41:20] Speaker 2: to affect a good end, you know what I mean. Like,
[41:24] Speaker 2: but I did want to I did want to like
[41:28] Speaker 2: jump on what you were talking about a little bit earlier,
[41:30] Speaker 2: Brandon about the idea of whether or not, you know,
[41:34] Speaker 2: immigrants and then illegal immigrants should should enjoy all of
[41:38] Speaker 2: the same rights as US citizens. And I don't think
[41:41] Speaker 2: that it should be a controversial thing as an American
[41:45] Speaker 2: to say, like absolutely not, right, And justin you you
[41:49] Speaker 2: made a really good point about most Americans being okay
[41:54] Speaker 2: with immigration so long as it's done legally. And yes,
[41:56] Speaker 2: largely we are a country of immigrants, and I think
[42:00] Speaker 2: most Americans are proud of that heritage, right, and we
[42:04] Speaker 2: want to see it continue on. It's just that it's
[42:06] Speaker 2: gotten out of hand. I don't think that it should
[42:08] Speaker 2: be controversial, you know, to enact a policy or to
[42:11] Speaker 2: put along into place that says, you know, so long
[42:14] Speaker 2: as an individual crosses the border legally, you know, whether
[42:18] Speaker 2: it's through the Green card system or they're going through
[42:20] Speaker 2: legal immigration or whatever it is, you enjoy a certain
[42:24] Speaker 2: amount of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights now
[42:27] Speaker 2: applies to you, right, And we can have a conversation
[42:31] Speaker 2: about how much or how little, but right, it's like, well,
[42:34] Speaker 2: obviously the right to vote should should not apply to you.
[42:37] Speaker 2: You're not a completely naturalized citizen yet It's it's pretty
[42:40] Speaker 2: asinine to think that you should be allowed to have
[42:42] Speaker 2: a say in how the country limit run or put
[42:46] Speaker 2: the law. That's what I'm saying, put limits on it.
[42:48] Speaker 2: And then for illegal immigrants, right, it's we can have
[42:52] Speaker 2: a conversation about due process, and we can have a
[42:54] Speaker 2: conversation about human rights, but really none of the Constitution
[42:58] Speaker 2: should apply to you because as you illegally broke into
[43:02] Speaker 2: the country. So for that, I would think that it
[43:04] Speaker 2: would be more appropriate to apply like the laws of war,
[43:08] Speaker 2: Like obviously we're not going to go hunt down and
[43:11] Speaker 2: you know, just be shooting people as they're running across
[43:13] Speaker 2: the bad lands of New Mexico, you right, and like
[43:16] Speaker 2: the whole everything that we had to work through when
[43:19] Speaker 2: we were overseas in the Middle East with proper escalation
[43:22] Speaker 2: of force and treating people underneath, you know, a low
[43:26] Speaker 2: Act and so forth, Like, I think that that should
[43:28] Speaker 2: be applied. But but no, like the Constitution doesn't apply
[43:32] Speaker 2: to you when you illegally break into the country in
[43:34] Speaker 2: the same vein right, that is, if like, if I
[43:37] Speaker 2: was to walk off the base where I was in
[43:40] Speaker 2: Syria and they caught me trying to make my way
[43:42] Speaker 2: off Bogue Burg Doll style across the Middle East, do
[43:44] Speaker 2: you think I would be afforded any rights or due
[43:47] Speaker 2: process or a day in clover do any of that.
[43:51] Speaker 3: I was just gonna say that justin. I was just
[43:53] Speaker 3: because that's that's the argument. It's like, well, we're America,
[43:56] Speaker 3: like we're supposed to be different, Like, and I would
[43:58] Speaker 3: ask somebody who says that to me, it's like, okay, cool,
[44:00] Speaker 3: So let me ask you the question. If I broke
[44:02] Speaker 3: into your house and then you told me to leave,
[44:05] Speaker 3: and for me to leave, I demanded first and foremost
[44:09] Speaker 3: money to take care of myself when I left your house,
[44:12] Speaker 3: food to nourish my body when I departed, and am
[44:16] Speaker 3: now still an unhoused person. And I also demanded that
[44:20] Speaker 3: a cop show up and leave make me, make me leave, right,
[44:24] Speaker 3: all of these things. Would you be agreeable to that
[44:27] Speaker 3: as the homeowner? No, Like, why you get the fuck
[44:30] Speaker 3: out of my house? This is my house. It shouldn't
[44:32] Speaker 3: have to tell you I'm calling the police, and I
[44:35] Speaker 3: get it, Like that's for anybody listening, Yes, it's still
[44:37] Speaker 3: due process because you're calling the police. But stick with
[44:40] Speaker 3: me here, Like, that's the point I'm making. You're you
[44:43] Speaker 3: are not going to care how that person gets the
[44:45] Speaker 3: fuck out of your house. For the most part, you
[44:46] Speaker 3: just want them to fuck out of your house. And
[44:48] Speaker 3: if it's a stipulation that you give them money and
[44:51] Speaker 3: food for them to leave, right, then you're not going
[44:55] Speaker 3: to want to do that either, right And if that
[44:57] Speaker 3: that's if that's the you know, analogy for due process here,
[45:01] Speaker 3: Like this person has afforded all these things, which is
[45:03] Speaker 3: what they're going to have to have if they get
[45:04] Speaker 3: thrown in jail. You're gonna pay for them to eat.
[45:06] Speaker 3: You're gonna pay for them to watch fucking Telemundo in
[45:09] Speaker 3: jail or whatever it is that they're doing, right, Like,
[45:12] Speaker 3: is that what you want? And know it isn't Like
[45:14] Speaker 3: nobody wants that. This is like the difference between paying
[45:16] Speaker 3: for something with cash versus paying with it with your
[45:19] Speaker 3: debit card. You don't see the money leave your account,
[45:22] Speaker 3: but if you hand somebody money out of your wallet,
[45:24] Speaker 3: it hits you a little bit harder because you see
[45:26] Speaker 3: the actual loss. You know. That's sort of how I
[45:29] Speaker 3: view this. I think to just that's all these problems.
[45:32] Speaker 3: Man Like people they don't affect people enough personally, and
[45:36] Speaker 3: they're convinced that they don't are They aren't affected enough personally,
[45:41] Speaker 3: So the decisions they make and the way they vote
[45:43] Speaker 3: is really not in their best interest in the long
[45:46] Speaker 3: run because they think it doesn't matter. I mean, that's
[45:49] Speaker 3: my opinion of why people think.
[45:51] Speaker 1: And do things like that.
[45:52] Speaker 2: And yet when Ron DeSantis dropped off a couple of
[45:57] Speaker 2: bus loads in Martha's Vineyard, oh yeah, they changed their tune.
[46:02] Speaker 2: What within like twelve hours, they had those people on
[46:06] Speaker 2: a bus and they were.
[46:07] Speaker 1: Out, Thanks for showing up. They're like, look they care.
[46:09] Speaker 1: They're hugging them as they were putting them on a
[46:11] Speaker 1: bus to get out of their community.
[46:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, like, if you had let's just say, right,
[46:17] Speaker 3: we didn't have this entire four years of an open border,
[46:21] Speaker 3: and now we've got thirty million illegal immigrants in this country.
[46:24] Speaker 1: That's all.
[46:25] Speaker 5: You cannot provide due process for it. I think thirty million,
[46:29] Speaker 5: is it? That's what I thought it was like closer
[46:32] Speaker 5: to fifteen. Yeah, that's crazy.
[46:35] Speaker 3: Let me let me look this up.
[46:37] Speaker 1: Because uh, that's what we like, live research people fact checking.
[46:42] Speaker 3: That's right, I mean, why not?
[46:43] Speaker 1: You know, it's definitely over ten.
[46:48] Speaker 3: The last thing I read was that it was it
[46:50] Speaker 3: was thirty million.
[46:53] Speaker 1: That would be crazy. I'll be shocked.
[46:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, is the estimate that says here that the known
[47:01] Speaker 3: number of undocumented ingram, the known number of documented immigrants
[47:07] Speaker 3: undocumented immigrants in this country is just from twenty twenty three,
[47:10] Speaker 3: it's estimated to be ten to eleven million, but that
[47:14] Speaker 3: has fluctuated and depending on who's counting and how much
[47:18] Speaker 3: they enjoy, oh this is the Monday, how much they
[47:20] Speaker 3: enjoy spreadsheets? Is what it said. The last thing I
[47:23] Speaker 3: read was that it was estimated at thirty up to
[47:25] Speaker 3: upwards of thirty million. That twenty twenty million people came
[47:29] Speaker 3: across the border is what I saw. Whatever, right, we
[47:33] Speaker 3: can lots lots of people. Let's just let's just for
[47:35] Speaker 3: the sake of argument, fifteen fifteen million people.
[47:38] Speaker 1: Right.
[47:38] Speaker 3: You can't give due process trials and all of that
[47:41] Speaker 3: to fifteen million people in any sort of time to
[47:45] Speaker 3: actually make a difference and prevent whatever issues are coming
[47:48] Speaker 3: down the pipeline from having that many people here now, Like, look,
[47:52] Speaker 3: if we're talking about like thirty people some caravan of
[47:55] Speaker 3: like thirty people that came across the border illegally and
[47:58] Speaker 3: we're going to send them back, Like is that more
[48:00] Speaker 3: feasible to try, you know, like charge and try and
[48:05] Speaker 3: deport thirty people? Like sure, I guess, but like at
[48:09] Speaker 3: the end of the day, like that that just costs
[48:12] Speaker 3: you money. Anyway. I just to me, like, I don't care.
[48:16] Speaker 3: I don't think any of these people like that are here,
[48:18] Speaker 3: like you have if you have these cases with people
[48:20] Speaker 3: who are like you know, in the country and have
[48:22] Speaker 3: been and they've had all of these you know, court hearings,
[48:27] Speaker 3: and people have said that they can stay here. Like
[48:29] Speaker 3: the Regio Garcia guy, like a judge said that he
[48:32] Speaker 3: was worried about being going back home and having to
[48:36] Speaker 3: deal with like gang violence because of his affiliations. Well okay,
[48:39] Speaker 3: too bad, dude, Like the that gang would miss. Their
[48:42] Speaker 3: team was identified as a as a foreign terrorist organization,
[48:46] Speaker 3: So now he's being kicked out of the country. Like
[48:48] Speaker 3: those things can change, you know, that designation. Like so
[48:52] Speaker 3: to me, it's like that okay, well, end of story there, right.
[48:54] Speaker 3: I don't want a gang banger whose wife has to
[48:57] Speaker 3: put emojis over her husband's hands now because he's got
[49:00] Speaker 3: MS thirteen tattoos and she does that and on their
[49:03] Speaker 3: photos on social media to hide the fact that he
[49:05] Speaker 3: was a gang banger. Like I don't care, Like I
[49:08] Speaker 3: don't what what what are you providing, uh to this country?
[49:12] Speaker 3: I guess here if you're here illegally and you're you're
[49:14] Speaker 3: a gang member, you know, and it and to me,
[49:16] Speaker 3: like the sentiment behind oh, well, they're a family, they
[49:22] Speaker 3: have a family. Well that no one made you have
[49:24] Speaker 3: kids here in this country when you were knowingly here illegally.
[49:30] Speaker 3: To me, it's just like any other parent. You put
[49:32] Speaker 3: your kids in whatever situations you put them in because
[49:36] Speaker 3: you are the adult in the situation. So it's just
[49:38] Speaker 3: like to me, it's like, you know, one of these
[49:41] Speaker 3: unfortunate things where it's like, okay, cool, Yeah, you started
[49:44] Speaker 3: a family here, and you probably did it, you know,
[49:47] Speaker 3: in some part to hope that you were having an
[49:50] Speaker 3: anchor baby to stay here. But like at the end
[49:53] Speaker 3: of the day, if you're gonna go, if you are
[49:56] Speaker 3: here illegally, your family is gonna go with you. You know,
[49:59] Speaker 3: that's not my that you had kids in this country,
[50:02] Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I don't want to see kids suffer.
[50:04] Speaker 3: That's not what I'm saying. But like, at the end
[50:06] Speaker 3: of the day, like this is just one of those
[50:07] Speaker 3: things where it's like, no one made you have fucking kids, bro,
[50:11] Speaker 3: that was your own decision. And if you're here illegally
[50:14] Speaker 3: and you get deported, then that's what happens. Like you
[50:16] Speaker 3: have to suffer with the consequences of what you did.
[50:18] Speaker 3: Like that's how I view that.
[50:19] Speaker 2: So I did a little research for you in the
[50:21] Speaker 2: back end here, and it would seem that according to
[50:23] Speaker 2: the Cato Institute in PR and BBC and I purposefully
[50:28] Speaker 2: chose three very left wing sure publications are all stating
[50:33] Speaker 2: that most of the figures where where we're looking at,
[50:39] Speaker 2: you know, upwards of thirty million illegal migrants seem to
[50:41] Speaker 2: all of the assertions that were made coming out of
[50:47] Speaker 2: the Trump camp like during the election and just post
[50:49] Speaker 2: the election, and all three of them are saying the
[50:52] Speaker 2: actual number is probably closer to twelve to fifteen million,
[50:55] Speaker 2: So real number probably somewhere in.
[50:58] Speaker 1: The middle of that's where you're seeing the In the
[51:01] Speaker 1: beginning of this presidency, there were on the books over
[51:05] Speaker 1: a million illegal immigrants that had already had their day
[51:08] Speaker 1: in court and had orders for removal that just hadn't
[51:11] Speaker 1: been deported yet. So people forget about that. Like a
[51:15] Speaker 1: lot of these people have had due process, like they've
[51:18] Speaker 1: had the full their day in court. They went slid
[51:21] Speaker 1: two different judges and both of them said, sorry, bro,
[51:25] Speaker 1: you know, like you don't meet the standard seat check
[51:27] Speaker 1: you later kind of you know, Like, I think what
[51:30] Speaker 1: we gotta do is I think one, controlling the border
[51:34] Speaker 1: is great. I think what we've got going on now
[51:36] Speaker 1: is great. Well we're getting like a few hundred a
[51:38] Speaker 1: month now rather than ten thousand a day at some point, yeah,
[51:42] Speaker 1: you know, and that that is great. And then two,
[51:47] Speaker 1: I think we have to fund like the immigration courts
[51:50] Speaker 1: more and get more judges in there, just because they're
[51:53] Speaker 1: I did some research on it back when I was
[51:55] Speaker 1: in college, and their caseloads are like ten times more
[51:59] Speaker 1: than like your average judge, Like they have more cases,
[52:02] Speaker 1: like so many cases that they're sitting on. And this
[52:04] Speaker 1: was before Biden, so you know, it's got to be
[52:07] Speaker 1: a mess now. So I think they gotta get some
[52:09] Speaker 1: money in there and get some judges that can work
[52:12] Speaker 1: these people through the system and just make it efficient,
[52:14] Speaker 1: make it more efficient, you know, and and and not
[52:18] Speaker 1: only not only just citizenship, but also like having like
[52:22] Speaker 1: a work visa or something like that, you know, if
[52:25] Speaker 1: you're a migrant worker or something like that. Like people
[52:28] Speaker 1: want to say, oh, you're gonna lose the produce and
[52:31] Speaker 1: the price of produce, and you know whatever, Man, if
[52:33] Speaker 1: you want to like use slave wages as your argument
[52:36] Speaker 1: for why people should be fucking coming into the country,
[52:39] Speaker 1: and that's on you. But it sounds a lot like
[52:43] Speaker 1: I'll spend I'll spend fifty cents extra on my fucking
[52:46] Speaker 1: Romaine lettuce. I doubt the price is gonna go up
[52:49] Speaker 1: that much. But you know, like you're screwing your The
[52:54] Speaker 1: same people that will be against that will be also
[52:57] Speaker 1: tell you that people aren't getting paid enough. And it's like, well,
[53:01] Speaker 1: you realize that the illegal immigration is holding wages down, right,
[53:04] Speaker 1: because why would they pay someone more when they got
[53:06] Speaker 1: a full like the last four years they had a
[53:09] Speaker 1: NonStop you know, just groups and groups of people that
[53:13] Speaker 1: have come in and work for cheaper and cheaper than
[53:14] Speaker 1: the previous guy. So right, it's just crazy. It's all
[53:19] Speaker 1: it's all connected. People don't realize. But this has been interesting.
[53:22] Speaker 2: Well, that same uh, that same cognitive dissonance that you're
[53:26] Speaker 2: talking about has been absolutely cracking me up because again,
[53:30] Speaker 2: it was the same people that were like, go buy
[53:32] Speaker 2: an ev, go buy a Tesla, do what's right for
[53:35] Speaker 2: the you know, the environment, even though they're seventy thousand
[53:38] Speaker 2: dollars at the base. And now they're they're not just
[53:41] Speaker 2: burning down Tesla's, they're like walking up, keying them, rubbing
[53:44] Speaker 2: their nesty, but cheese on them, setting them on fire.
[53:48] Speaker 2: And it's the same, it's the same people, and it's
[53:50] Speaker 2: it's it's I don't understand how more people haven't had
[53:54] Speaker 2: their eyes opened it because of the speed at which
[53:58] Speaker 2: these issues are starting to turn is happening within days now,
[54:03] Speaker 2: and it's it's insane to me because I.
[54:06] Speaker 1: Think it's because other shit dominates the news. Canada Trump
[54:10] Speaker 1: wanting to annex Canada dominates the news. That's such a
[54:13] Speaker 1: stupid Like it was funny the first time he said, like, oh,
[54:16] Speaker 1: he's hilarious. Uh, but he keeps saying it. He keeps
[54:19] Speaker 1: saying he's serious about it, and it's like, dude, what
[54:21] Speaker 1: are you doing? You know, like these are our people
[54:24] Speaker 1: that are fucking you know, these are allies. These are
[54:26] Speaker 1: some of our closest allies. Can you work at a
[54:29] Speaker 1: better trade deal than what you already made because you're
[54:32] Speaker 1: the one that made the previous trade deal? Dude, can
[54:34] Speaker 1: you do a better one? Sure, maybe you can, but
[54:36] Speaker 1: you don't have to like complete he just fucked their
[54:39] Speaker 1: entire election up there. That was gonna go. That was
[54:42] Speaker 1: likely you going to go to the Conservatives, uh in Canada,
[54:45] Speaker 1: but because of him, yeah, being like that, and then
[54:48] Speaker 1: it's associating the Conservatives in Canada with the Conservatives in
[54:51] Speaker 1: the United States that just trashed that. And now we
[54:54] Speaker 1: got this ultra leftist like you know, WF dude the
[54:59] Speaker 1: Prime Minister.
[55:00] Speaker 3: Now, yeah, dude, I actually really agree with that. I
[55:05] Speaker 3: think the fifty first off, I don't want a bunch
[55:08] Speaker 3: of Canadian Liberals becoming Americans overnight, right, not at all.
[55:14] Speaker 3: I think that that sort of like the fifty first
[55:17] Speaker 3: state thing I agree with you, like is funny. I
[55:19] Speaker 3: also love funny that the United States not funny anymore.
[55:23] Speaker 1: Like I'm not laughing about it anymore.
[55:24] Speaker 3: It's like that, right, dude, that's what I That's what
[55:26] Speaker 3: I meant that that you know that when he said it,
[55:28] Speaker 3: it was it was funny. I also very well aware
[55:32] Speaker 3: of the fact that Canada exists because of the United States.
[55:36] Speaker 3: The United States subsidizes that country so much that if
[55:40] Speaker 3: we went away, like their economy would take such a
[55:44] Speaker 3: massive hit, you know that they may as well not
[55:47] Speaker 3: even exist. Like I'm aware of the of just how
[55:50] Speaker 3: much United States does that, And I get the whole
[55:53] Speaker 3: like impetus behind, Well, you we already make you what
[55:56] Speaker 3: you are, so you might as well just become the
[55:58] Speaker 3: fifty first state. Like saying that, like in a metaphorical way,
[56:03] Speaker 3: I guess to make a point. It's like, Okay, you
[56:05] Speaker 3: made your point, right, there are so many other things
[56:10] Speaker 3: I think that could have been done better to And
[56:13] Speaker 3: it's and not even just with Canada, but like with
[56:15] Speaker 3: Europe too. I'll say this to get what you wanted,
[56:20] Speaker 3: I think, without like the humiliation tactics. That's kind of
[56:24] Speaker 3: how I view things like that because and I'll put
[56:28] Speaker 3: it and I'll frame it this way too, right, like
[56:31] Speaker 3: Trump is absolutely going to let Xijingping push whatever narrative
[56:37] Speaker 3: he's going to push in China and outward into the
[56:40] Speaker 3: world as long as Trump is getting what he wants
[56:44] Speaker 3: from behind closed doors, and I think that's happening, even
[56:47] Speaker 3: though the Chinese say that it isn't happening because we
[56:50] Speaker 3: started lowering tariffs the same time they did. And I'm
[56:53] Speaker 3: not retarded, you know that, I don't trust the fucking
[56:56] Speaker 3: thing pretty much that comes out of the CCP's mouth.
[56:58] Speaker 3: But he is okay with, you know, the CCP, letting
[57:03] Speaker 3: them save face, knowing that, let's just say this trade
[57:07] Speaker 3: war ends with China even further, you know, I securely
[57:12] Speaker 3: up underneath the thumb of American tutelage, like the US
[57:16] Speaker 3: is gonna have to look away, probably while Jijiping does
[57:19] Speaker 3: whatever the fuck he does and is going to do
[57:21] Speaker 3: to maintain power of the CCP, or he's going to
[57:24] Speaker 3: find himself fucking whacked, right, But Trump is gonna let
[57:28] Speaker 3: him do that. And I get that China is different
[57:31] Speaker 3: than Canada. Like Canada, obviously, I see them as an
[57:34] Speaker 3: ally in that regard, like I'm not afraid of going
[57:38] Speaker 3: to war with Canada, like going to war with the
[57:40] Speaker 3: Chinese would mean a lot more in a much different
[57:43] Speaker 3: way than going to war with Canada if something stupid
[57:45] Speaker 3: like that ever happened. But I don't think that the
[57:49] Speaker 3: the I guess the I hate using the word rhetoric
[57:51] Speaker 3: because it almost means nothing now because it gets used
[57:54] Speaker 3: so much in so many different ways. But the verbiage,
[57:58] Speaker 3: the rhetoric that has come from him, I guess in
[58:00] Speaker 3: that regard, I think definitely could have been a lot better,
[58:04] Speaker 3: and there could have been a lot There are a
[58:05] Speaker 3: lot of other soft power ways of getting and renegotiating
[58:09] Speaker 3: these trade deals and partnerships that we have with countries
[58:12] Speaker 3: like the EU and the United Or and Canada without
[58:16] Speaker 3: some of the humiliation tactics, I guess is kind of
[58:19] Speaker 3: what I'm getting at.
[58:20] Speaker 1: Well.
[58:21] Speaker 2: And Canada cozying up to China, I've seen nothing but
[58:25] Speaker 2: negative things about it, because again, China's economic policies are
[58:29] Speaker 2: the policies of the CCP, which they see their economic
[58:31] Speaker 2: policies and their foreign military policies is just two prongs
[58:34] Speaker 2: of the same. We've gone over this ad nauseum. But
[58:38] Speaker 2: I was thinking about it today. Donald Trump like putting
[58:42] Speaker 2: China on check right and backing them into a corner,
[58:47] Speaker 2: and I made the argument that now there's no way
[58:50] Speaker 2: that they can get to the world market except for
[58:52] Speaker 2: going through the United States, which was the position that
[58:55] Speaker 2: he put them in. It's not necessarily all bad. Canada
[59:00] Speaker 2: picks up doing more trade with China, being that now
[59:04] Speaker 2: we have a stronger trade deal in lower tariffs with
[59:08] Speaker 2: Canada because again, like we buy the most of their products.
[59:10] Speaker 2: So Chinese products flowing into Canada and all the people
[59:13] Speaker 2: are worried about having access to their Nintendo switches and
[59:16] Speaker 2: their Apple iPhones, and like all of that jazz, you know,
[59:19] Speaker 2: it does it does groove that path out and also
[59:22] Speaker 2: and makes a way to sort of stabilize uh, just
[59:27] Speaker 2: the how hard all of this, all these ripples are
[59:31] Speaker 2: going to be on the American economy. But I mean,
[59:33] Speaker 2: you know that that also goes back to something we've
[59:35] Speaker 2: talked about quite extensively, Brandon, and that's like people were
[59:39] Speaker 2: acting like international business relationships were binary that you can
[59:44] Speaker 2: you know, the the United States can only do business
[59:47] Speaker 2: with China to get a hold of Chinese products, and
[59:50] Speaker 2: that's that's just not the way that a world market works.
[59:53] Speaker 2: Everybody has buying and selling power. But that's just something
[59:56] Speaker 2: I was thinking about the other day. You know, if
[59:57] Speaker 2: Chinese products are flowing into Canada, the United States as
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: a lot of stuff from Canada at a cheaper rate, right,
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: m h.
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: It's interesting push to buy America, you know, like buy
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: buy in the USA. I think you should. It's going
[1:00:12] Speaker 1: to take a little bit to get factory things online,
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: to manufacture, you know, get manufactured some of these things
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: we're talking about to like improve our own capability, get
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: it back. It's never going to be back to what
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: it was. And I don't think anybody wants it to
[1:00:27] Speaker 1: be like that just because do you want to work
[1:00:32] Speaker 1: in a factory? I mean, do you want to go
[1:00:35] Speaker 1: and make the widget? Like I don't.
[1:00:39] Speaker 3: I mean I would say that I think more Americans
[1:00:42] Speaker 3: are willing to do that than you realize. I say
[1:00:44] Speaker 3: that there are a lot of people, you know, I
[1:00:47] Speaker 3: think that are doing whatever they're doing to get by
[1:00:50] Speaker 3: in an office job, because that's like the predominant thing
[1:00:53] Speaker 3: that we have now. Like you look at a company
[1:00:55] Speaker 3: like I think Origin actually JOCKO Willings Company. The second
[1:01:00] Speaker 3: all of that started hitting the news and like people
[1:01:02] Speaker 3: were like trying to use that as an argument, like
[1:01:04] Speaker 3: we don't want those jobs. It's like, did you You're first,
[1:01:07] Speaker 3: You're just proving that you're the entitled American. Everybody thinks
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: you are right, But they put a video out, this
[1:01:13] Speaker 3: is what an America. When the Chinese were pushing all
[1:01:15] Speaker 3: that AI generated propaganda about like fat slob Americans working
[1:01:19] Speaker 3: in sweatshops. You know, Origin put a video out It's like, actually,
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: this is what American factory factory workers look like making
[1:01:27] Speaker 3: boots and jeans and shirts and all this other stuff. Yeah,
[1:01:30] Speaker 3: actually I do. I mean, I have a good friend
[1:01:32] Speaker 3: of mine who was in the Air Force with me
[1:01:33] Speaker 3: and now works in the automotive industry, and he works
[1:01:36] Speaker 3: in a factory and he loves that job. I think
[1:01:39] Speaker 3: a lot more people than people are giving Americans credit
[1:01:42] Speaker 3: for would be fine if working in a factory job.
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: Is like you know, when I was before I joined
[1:01:48] Speaker 1: the Marines, I worked in I was making dashes for
[1:01:50] Speaker 1: subar Rush for a little while, and it's just not
[1:01:55] Speaker 1: fun and I couldn't Like I remember sitting there thinking
[1:01:59] Speaker 1: like I can't believe people do this for twenty years.
[1:02:02] Speaker 3: You know, I don't think it's like a glamor't get me.
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: I didn't have a passion for making dashboards, you know.
[1:02:11] Speaker 1: I think if you're like a passion for doing something
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: like making clothes, making something, I don't know, there's if
[1:02:19] Speaker 1: you if that's what you want to do, then yeah,
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: there's I think there's a lot of people that want
[1:02:24] Speaker 1: to do that. I don't think there's as many people
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: that want to do something like like a factory setting
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: as we think. I think there are a lot.
[1:02:31] Speaker 3: But I think that just as many people don't want
[1:02:35] Speaker 3: to make spreadsheets in cubicle either, And I think that
[1:02:38] Speaker 3: there would be just enough people who are some of
[1:02:41] Speaker 3: those people that are are sick and tired of concatenating
[1:02:46] Speaker 3: data all day and putting it into you know, spreadsheets,
[1:02:50] Speaker 3: are going to be like you know what, actually, maybe
[1:02:52] Speaker 3: I will go make a dash or maybe I will
[1:02:55] Speaker 3: go do whatever. And here's the other thing too that
[1:02:57] Speaker 3: people people seem to have not noted when we talked
[1:03:00] Speaker 3: about on shoring and bringing back manufacturing, Like manufacturing today
[1:03:05] Speaker 3: is not even the same as manufacturing what it was
[1:03:07] Speaker 3: in the nineties. Like it's robotic still in the nineties,
[1:03:11] Speaker 3: and you know a lot of those processes are automated.
[1:03:15] Speaker 3: But you could take all this quote unquote unskilled labor
[1:03:19] Speaker 3: here in the United States and you could teach people
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: how to use artificial intelligence and manage those things, like
[1:03:25] Speaker 3: teach people how to teach people how to manage skata,
[1:03:28] Speaker 3: teach people how to get knowledgeable enough to operate a
[1:03:32] Speaker 3: you know, segment of a factory using artificial intelligence, which
[1:03:36] Speaker 3: is absolutely going to be what's happening, And take all
[1:03:39] Speaker 3: these people and teach an old dog new tricks and
[1:03:42] Speaker 3: give them jobs that way, Like I'm not this isn't
[1:03:44] Speaker 3: like Rosy the riveter climbing up in the wing of
[1:03:46] Speaker 3: a B seventeen and hammering you know, rivets into the
[1:03:49] Speaker 3: side of a wing anymore. Like there's there's a better
[1:03:52] Speaker 3: way to do this. And I think that if you're
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: going to onshore and manuf and bring back manufacturing jobs,
[1:03:59] Speaker 3: that's how you explain it, right, Like we need people
[1:04:01] Speaker 3: who understand how to we need people to understand who
[1:04:04] Speaker 3: understands skate it. We need people who understand how to, uh,
[1:04:07] Speaker 3: you know, manage a seam. We need people who understand
[1:04:11] Speaker 3: artificial intelligence and logistics, you know, pathways and things like that,
[1:04:16] Speaker 3: you know, in computing in these factories doing because there's
[1:04:19] Speaker 3: going to be people that are interested in that, just
[1:04:21] Speaker 3: as much as people like I said before, who don't
[1:04:23] Speaker 3: are sick and tired of making you know, spreadsheets made
[1:04:26] Speaker 3: you know, just to say, well, you know what, fuck it,
[1:04:28] Speaker 3: I'm sick of working for butthole Corp. And I'm going
[1:04:30] Speaker 3: to go and I'm going to make whatever widgets in
[1:04:33] Speaker 3: this factory because it pays a wage that's similar or
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: better whatever, or you know, to maybe the trade off
[1:04:39] Speaker 3: is of taking a smaller a lesser wage for a
[1:04:42] Speaker 3: job where I don't have to go and sit in
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: a cubicle all day. You know, I don't know, you know,
[1:04:46] Speaker 3: this is just none of us know. I'm just like,
[1:04:48] Speaker 3: you know, trying to try to explain my perspective on it. Yes, bitball, exactly, Yeah,
[1:04:53] Speaker 3: you know, but I think that I think more people
[1:04:55] Speaker 3: would be willing to do that. And there are already
[1:04:58] Speaker 3: people who grew up watching their grandparent, parents and parents
[1:05:01] Speaker 3: lose their jobs because mills and factory is closed in
[1:05:03] Speaker 3: the United States, And like, I think that we forget
[1:05:06] Speaker 3: about those people because they exist in a lot of
[1:05:09] Speaker 3: these places like that that we call the flyover states.
[1:05:12] Speaker 3: And I think that those people would be very willing
[1:05:14] Speaker 3: to do certain things like that. And let's be real, bro,
[1:05:17] Speaker 3: like mister Starbucks, La isn't going to be the sort
[1:05:20] Speaker 3: of person that they're hoping is going to work in
[1:05:21] Speaker 3: a factory. It's going to be cornbread. Nathan from fucking Kansas,
[1:05:25] Speaker 3: who they're gonna hope is going to go do that,
[1:05:27] Speaker 3: and that's exactly where they're going to go.
[1:05:28] Speaker 1: I want to on the That's what I want.
[1:05:33] Speaker 3: Hey man, If if we could do it during COVID
[1:05:35] Speaker 3: with people on ventilators dying by the droves, then yeah,
[1:05:38] Speaker 3: let's do it.
[1:05:39] Speaker 1: I will.
[1:05:40] Speaker 2: I will say this. You know, we've seen the hollowing
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: out of the middle of America, Like go look at Detroit,
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: Go look at Baltimore, Go look at Kansas City, look
[1:05:49] Speaker 2: at some of these places that used to be powerhouses.
[1:05:51] Speaker 2: Is Saint Louis right, And they used to produce a
[1:05:54] Speaker 2: lot of stuff back when manufacturing was big. Cincinnati, Ohio
[1:05:58] Speaker 2: was a was big like that. And we've seen the
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: hollowing out of these these once great cities and how
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: they're just in total and utter decay. And if we
[1:06:06] Speaker 2: just all I'm gonna say is if we keep doing
[1:06:09] Speaker 2: the same thing that we've been doing and going the
[1:06:11] Speaker 2: same direction we're going, we're just gonna get more of
[1:06:13] Speaker 2: that product. So I mean, at a certain point things
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: need to change. I don't know what it's gonna look like,
[1:06:18] Speaker 2: you know, to to your points, Brandon, or what the
[1:06:20] Speaker 2: new manufacturing base would look like, or or even justin
[1:06:24] Speaker 2: if you're right that, you know, we're going back to
[1:06:27] Speaker 2: you know, people just you know, hammering and making dashboards.
[1:06:30] Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna look like that. But if
[1:06:33] Speaker 2: we just keep going the same way we're going.
[1:06:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't think it's gonna look like I
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna look like that. I definitely think
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: it's gonna be automated. I think. I mean, China's already
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: got what they call those historic factories where there's no
[1:06:42] Speaker 1: people in it. It's just machines running. Yeah, you know,
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: I think we're Yeah, it's gonna be like jobs are
[1:06:48] Speaker 1: gonna be created for people to maintain those robots, build
[1:06:51] Speaker 1: those robots. You know, other robots are gonna build a robot.
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: I mean, there are gonna be things that can be done.
[1:06:58] Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I mean, I'm from Loafayette, Indiana. Man, that's
[1:07:03] Speaker 1: where like there's like a Subaru plan, a cat plant,
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: there's like all kinds they make free tool a potato
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: chips there, there's like farming, there's all those things. So
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: it's like I understand the factory workers, and I just
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: know that to me always felt like a backup job,
[1:07:21] Speaker 1: you know, if everything else didn't kind of work out,
[1:07:23] Speaker 1: Like at least there's that because it is unskilled labor.
[1:07:27] Speaker 1: I mean, there's some of it is. It obviously takes skill.
[1:07:31] Speaker 1: But doing stuff like what I did was literally standing
[1:07:35] Speaker 1: in one spot or moving like three steps at a
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: time from one spot to the spot. You're just doing that.
[1:07:40] Speaker 1: That's that's your flow all day a little bit.
[1:07:42] Speaker 3: Let me ask let me ask you a question then, So, like,
[1:07:45] Speaker 3: let's talk about how perspectives change over time. Right, So
[1:07:48] Speaker 3: you said that at the time, and I don't know
[1:07:50] Speaker 3: what year this is, I don't want to, like, you know, assume,
[1:07:53] Speaker 3: but you talked about how like this was viewed as
[1:07:56] Speaker 3: like a backup job, right, Like, how much because of
[1:07:59] Speaker 3: the offshore of American jobs, people view like these stupid
[1:08:03] Speaker 3: jobs in office offices and now everybody wants to remote
[1:08:07] Speaker 3: work and all this other shit, Right, the perspective that
[1:08:12] Speaker 3: maybe that's the backup job now, right, Like maybe because
[1:08:15] Speaker 3: there isn't an option anymore and those jobs don't exist
[1:08:19] Speaker 3: in the way that they used to, that that perspective
[1:08:22] Speaker 3: could be different if something like that were to come
[1:08:25] Speaker 3: back to the United States and the manner in which
[1:08:28] Speaker 3: it used to exist in the United States. I mean,
[1:08:31] Speaker 3: what do you think about that.
[1:08:32] Speaker 2: In a world where everybody is a social media influencer.
[1:08:38] Speaker 1: So, hald On, are you asking what I would think
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: if the manufacturing jobs all came back and the kind
[1:08:45] Speaker 1: of like digital jobs, work from home jobs. Look, people
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: were no longer interested in those.
[1:08:51] Speaker 3: Well, what I'm saying is you said that the factory
[1:08:53] Speaker 3: jobs were like the backup jobs, that those weren't the goal, right,
[1:08:56] Speaker 3: So and over over the past however many years since
[1:08:58] Speaker 3: you were doing that job, right, I think that the
[1:09:01] Speaker 3: perspective has definitely switched because those those jobs now exist
[1:09:05] Speaker 3: in the minutia, whereas that, you know, maybe they were
[1:09:09] Speaker 3: more prevalent back in the time period.
[1:09:11] Speaker 1: You're Oh, I'm talking, dude, I'm talking this job that
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: everybody I was getting out of the Marine Corps. I
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna go try this crazy idea and
[1:09:19] Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, well, I could probably go
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: get a factory job if I need to. And only,
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: and I don't say that because it's like, you know,
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: that's the bottom of the barrel. Job or anything. But
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: it is an easy job to get a lot of
[1:09:31] Speaker 1: times for some places. Some places are hard to get onto.
[1:09:33] Speaker 1: Some places you have to be like a temp worker
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: for like six months and then you get a probationary period,
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: and you know, there's there's definitely that too. But you
[1:09:44] Speaker 1: know a lot of people I knew that lived back
[1:09:46] Speaker 1: home were like, they can't even keep they They're always
[1:09:50] Speaker 1: hiring people for these jobs because they can't keep people
[1:09:52] Speaker 1: in the jobs because people can't pass pissed tests, you know,
[1:09:55] Speaker 1: because they have to do it. Does Indiana they gotta
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: do a piss test there sou they can't pass pissed test,
[1:10:01] Speaker 1: or they don't want to show up on time or
[1:10:03] Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know. It's just like, I've never
[1:10:07] Speaker 1: been under the impression that these jobs weren't readily available
[1:10:12] Speaker 1: back from where I'm from unless you have a pretty dicey,
[1:10:17] Speaker 1: you know, work history, and even guys that I knew
[1:10:19] Speaker 1: that had pretty dicey work histories could get a factory
[1:10:21] Speaker 1: job in some cases, you know, and rebuild.
[1:10:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think two things here real quick.
[1:10:30] Speaker 1: I want to make it clear that I don't think
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: that's a bad thing. I think there I don't think
[1:10:34] Speaker 1: lesser of people that are in a factory. I did it.
[1:10:37] Speaker 1: You know, understand that I'm not like talking down like
[1:10:42] Speaker 1: those people. You stupid.
[1:10:48] Speaker 2: My brother, My brother works. My brother works.
[1:10:50] Speaker 1: Some people just like it, they don't. You don't have
[1:10:52] Speaker 1: to think a lot of times. You don't have to think.
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: You just show up, you do your job, you get paid,
[1:10:56] Speaker 1: you go home, you know, And that's.
[1:10:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people like that. I just think,
[1:11:01] Speaker 3: you know, you talked about those dark factories. You know this.
[1:11:05] Speaker 3: I think that's the stupidest decision in American history, was
[1:11:08] Speaker 3: to to offshore all of that and give it to
[1:11:11] Speaker 3: another country. And this might sound like slightly racist, but
[1:11:15] Speaker 3: like especially giving it to a country full of Asians
[1:11:17] Speaker 3: who are just like innovate the way that they do
[1:11:20] Speaker 3: because they do right. And just look at how much
[1:11:23] Speaker 3: they took what they were handed and turned it into
[1:11:25] Speaker 3: something even fucking better, right, And you know, to pretend
[1:11:29] Speaker 3: that we are not going to have to play catch
[1:11:31] Speaker 3: up in a lot of different ways is just.
[1:11:32] Speaker 1: I don't know that they took it and made it better.
[1:11:36] Speaker 1: I think that's actually a compliment.
[1:11:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think I was assigning an attribute of
[1:11:42] Speaker 3: being innovative to Asians that some Asians may may may
[1:11:46] Speaker 3: appreciate and maybe some white women may find to be offensive.
[1:11:51] Speaker 3: But anyway, you know, the thing that's the one of
[1:11:54] Speaker 3: the stupidest and biggest exactly awfuls affluent white female ugly
[1:11:59] Speaker 3: liberals that I think that was one of the biggest
[1:12:02] Speaker 3: mistakes in American history to do that, and it's definitely
[1:12:07] Speaker 3: been and you will be. Yeah, Nafta is another example
[1:12:10] Speaker 3: of that. Yeah, Nafta is a probably one of the
[1:12:13] Speaker 3: that was like the nail in the coffin as far
[1:12:15] Speaker 3: as my as far as my opinion goes. And then
[1:12:18] Speaker 3: allowing China into the wt O, they they've broken every
[1:12:21] Speaker 3: fucking rule there is. The WTO hasn't enforced any sort
[1:12:24] Speaker 3: of violation that the Chinese have committed since they entered
[1:12:27] Speaker 3: the WTO, and so it's just like exactly like the stupidity.
[1:12:31] Speaker 3: Why I don't understand why so many people are like, now,
[1:12:35] Speaker 3: you know, for the moment pro China in a weird
[1:12:37] Speaker 3: way because they saw fucking Hong Kong lit up at
[1:12:42] Speaker 3: night on fucking TikTok and they think that that's somehow novel,
[1:12:46] Speaker 3: I guess. But the other part of that you think, no,
[1:12:49] Speaker 3: go ahead, I was just gonna say the other part
[1:12:51] Speaker 3: of that you hit on, I think is the is
[1:12:53] Speaker 3: the problem here, and it's that America has no work ethic.
[1:12:57] Speaker 3: Americans don't have a work ethic anymore. I think most
[1:12:59] Speaker 3: of Amicaans are too comfortable and their creature comforts and
[1:13:07] Speaker 3: the things that we need quote unquote to get by
[1:13:09] Speaker 3: throughout our day. And you know, like you said, you
[1:13:14] Speaker 3: have you have to keep hiring people because people can't
[1:13:17] Speaker 3: pass pissed tests. Well, okay, that's a problem this country. Right,
[1:13:21] Speaker 3: there's there's an epidemic of drugs, and especially areas like
[1:13:25] Speaker 3: you know Indiana and Ohio right having these these huge
[1:13:28] Speaker 3: drug epidemics. So it's just like you're the problem, and
[1:13:31] Speaker 3: the real problem you're talking about is a problem with
[1:13:33] Speaker 3: American culture and a problem with American ethics and morality.
[1:13:37] Speaker 3: Like that is the undoing right when you go and
[1:13:40] Speaker 3: you look back at like why like cultures fall apart,
[1:13:43] Speaker 3: it's not because of all these mechanisms we're talking about, Like, yeah,
[1:13:46] Speaker 3: these are just like parts of it, right, Like the
[1:13:48] Speaker 3: offshoring of American manufacturing that that that's this isn't this
[1:13:52] Speaker 3: is that's just how it happened. It's not why, you
[1:13:54] Speaker 3: know what I mean, And like the why is because
[1:13:57] Speaker 3: people lost their sense of direction, they like their sense
[1:14:00] Speaker 3: of identity, and they started to just like any other
[1:14:03] Speaker 3: creature who gets too comfortable first world society. They you
[1:14:06] Speaker 3: now have a generation of people who have never had
[1:14:09] Speaker 3: to wonder where their next meal is going to come from.
[1:14:11] Speaker 3: And they're not going to write and so why should
[1:14:14] Speaker 3: I do anything if I'm being given everything? And that's
[1:14:17] Speaker 3: how Americans behave. And unfortunately, just like anything else, some
[1:14:21] Speaker 3: tragedy is going to have to happen before people realize, Man,
[1:14:24] Speaker 3: we had it really fucking good, and now we don't,
[1:14:26] Speaker 3: and now we have to work for it. It's the
[1:14:28] Speaker 3: whole you know, good men make good times. You know,
[1:14:32] Speaker 3: good times makesoft men hold that whole fucking trope that
[1:14:34] Speaker 3: everybody said for six times.
[1:14:36] Speaker 1: I think I think there is definitely a segment of
[1:14:40] Speaker 1: society that is like that, that is very much like entitled.
[1:14:45] Speaker 1: I mean, we're living in the best time of ever.
[1:14:47] Speaker 1: We're you know, I always say we're living in the future.
[1:14:49] Speaker 1: We're literally I can ask my phone something, I can
[1:14:52] Speaker 1: have food delivered to my house, I can have on
[1:14:55] Speaker 1: demand entertainment I can do. It's just it's such a
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: different world than we than humans had one hundred years ago.
[1:15:05] Speaker 1: But I will also say that the people that are driven,
[1:15:08] Speaker 1: I think in America, the people that are driven show
[1:15:12] Speaker 1: exceptional drive, you know what I'm saying, Like, the ones
[1:15:17] Speaker 1: that are out there making things happen are hardcore, you
[1:15:21] Speaker 1: know what. And I don't think a lot of other
[1:15:24] Speaker 1: countries wouldn't. You're not gonna find that kind of work
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: ethic because yeah, like Europe, you know, like afternoons, you know,
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: lazy afternoon kind of deal. You know, we're gonna take
[1:15:34] Speaker 1: a couple of hours off for lunch, three hours off
[1:15:36] Speaker 1: for lunch and then come back and things like that.
[1:15:38] Speaker 1: It's a yeah, all that kind of deal. I mean,
[1:15:42] Speaker 1: I just think that American ingenuity and innovation is you know,
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: top tier, and we do have some shit bags to
[1:15:52] Speaker 1: ten percent, right, there's always that bottom ten percent.
[1:15:54] Speaker 2: So Bradon, while you were saying all that, it sparked
[1:15:59] Speaker 2: a memory in my mind about the mouse experiment. So
[1:16:02] Speaker 2: I pulled this up in the background. I have a
[1:16:04] Speaker 2: really cool little quick breakdown, but it was, yeah, John
[1:16:07] Speaker 2: Calhoun's Universe twenty five experiment justin have you ever heard
[1:16:10] Speaker 2: about this? So he took a group of mice and
[1:16:13] Speaker 2: he put them in basically like a utopia, so zero
[1:16:18] Speaker 2: there were zero predators. They had all the food, all
[1:16:22] Speaker 2: the water, all the comforts that they could ever possibly want.
[1:16:27] Speaker 2: And so here was like a really quick breakdown of
[1:16:32] Speaker 2: his findings. There was initial population growth where they thrived
[1:16:37] Speaker 2: and grew rapidly. Then all a sudden behavioral sync. They
[1:16:39] Speaker 2: started noticing. As the population increased and the environment became crowded,
[1:16:44] Speaker 2: social interactions begin to break down, leading to aggression, cannibalism,
[1:16:47] Speaker 2: and a lack of parental care. Then, in the midst
[1:16:50] Speaker 2: of all of this social chaos, a distinctive group of
[1:16:53] Speaker 2: mice emerged, exhibiting unique set of behaviors. They titled these
[1:16:56] Speaker 2: ones the beautiful Ones. So these beautiful ones were solitary
[1:16:59] Speaker 2: and aging, primarily in grooming and self care, and they
[1:17:02] Speaker 2: rarely interacted with any of the other mice. Then there
[1:17:05] Speaker 2: was loss of social roles. They also displayed a lack
[1:17:07] Speaker 2: of a lack of interest in mating or raising offspring,
[1:17:11] Speaker 2: effectively losing their social roles altogether. Even though they had
[1:17:14] Speaker 2: a pristine experience appearance about them. It was shortly after
[1:17:18] Speaker 2: that that the population began to decline, and then other
[1:17:23] Speaker 2: mice in the experiment declined in numbers and eventually went
[1:17:26] Speaker 2: extinct altogether. And then because the beautiful ones were the
[1:17:28] Speaker 2: ones that were left apart from society and had no
[1:17:31] Speaker 2: care to mate or raise offspring, then they eventually died out.
[1:17:35] Speaker 2: And basically the entire colony died. And this entire time,
[1:17:40] Speaker 2: this entire time, they had all the food, all the
[1:17:42] Speaker 2: all the water, all the bedding, everything that it was
[1:17:45] Speaker 2: right there in their environy, good to be true, and
[1:17:47] Speaker 2: yet they still died out.
[1:17:48] Speaker 1: It's all too good to be true.
[1:17:50] Speaker 3: Well here, here's here's the fun part about that experiment
[1:17:53] Speaker 3: is that those mice existed in a silo, right and
[1:17:57] Speaker 3: the United States doesn't exist in a silo. So what happens,
[1:18:00] Speaker 3: just like any other culture, it gets it gets infiltrated
[1:18:03] Speaker 3: with other people that are willing to do the work.
[1:18:06] Speaker 3: And the first world soft culture that existed on top,
[1:18:10] Speaker 3: the cream at the top is going to get eventually
[1:18:13] Speaker 3: be replaced by the people who do move in. If
[1:18:16] Speaker 3: there were other mice, who they if they let them
[1:18:18] Speaker 3: into this enclosure or whatever these mice were into those
[1:18:21] Speaker 3: mice would have become the mice that became the new
[1:18:23] Speaker 3: culture and became the new civilization of mice. And that's
[1:18:27] Speaker 3: exactly that's basically what happens.
[1:18:28] Speaker 5: Man.
[1:18:29] Speaker 3: Like this is like we talked about when we talked
[1:18:31] Speaker 3: about Universe twenty five the other night with Dan Holloway,
[1:18:32] Speaker 3: and we also talked about this too, about how like
[1:18:34] Speaker 3: a Rome, Rome went and conquered Gaul and brought back
[1:18:38] Speaker 3: all these slaves and now had an entire slave class
[1:18:41] Speaker 3: of people that eroded the middle class of Rome. And
[1:18:45] Speaker 3: you know, eventually they became so overpopulated with invaders like
[1:18:49] Speaker 3: the Visigoths, the ostro Goths, you know, and eventually, in
[1:18:52] Speaker 3: four to eleven, Alaric the Visigoth led a group of
[1:18:56] Speaker 3: them into Rum and sacked it and conquered the city. Right,
[1:18:58] Speaker 3: And this is just it's it's a product of becoming
[1:19:02] Speaker 3: too soft. It's a product of watching your working class
[1:19:05] Speaker 3: go away, and eventually somebody will show up in Slice
[1:19:09] Speaker 3: a better cheddar. You know, not to talk about mice
[1:19:11] Speaker 3: like that, but you know, just saying like that's that's
[1:19:14] Speaker 3: the natural course of events, that's the natural course of events.
[1:19:16] Speaker 3: You know, like there's no such thing as true isolationism
[1:19:19] Speaker 3: and humans, you know, the way that there's mice existed
[1:19:22] Speaker 3: in that controlled experiment, you know, and and it's just
[1:19:24] Speaker 3: sort of witnessing these things like that is natural. I
[1:19:26] Speaker 3: think that's just unfortunately is what happens, and it brings
[1:19:31] Speaker 3: up the whole car. I mean, just I'll ask you
[1:19:33] Speaker 3: the question justin then. I asked Dan the other night
[1:19:35] Speaker 3: about like, do you think you can manage your way
[1:19:37] Speaker 3: out of decline? Or is having conversations like this just
[1:19:40] Speaker 3: a coping mechanism so you don't feel complicit in the
[1:19:42] Speaker 3: decline of your civilization.
[1:19:44] Speaker 1: No, I think we can. I don't. I mean, like
[1:19:48] Speaker 1: the fine decline, like like, what are we talking about
[1:19:51] Speaker 1: the or we're talking about.
[1:19:52] Speaker 3: What we're witnessing right now?
[1:19:53] Speaker 1: Is the me Maybe? I don't know.
[1:19:57] Speaker 3: I would argue it is certainly what Okay, well.
[1:20:00] Speaker 1: That's my thing. It's like it's a very general term,
[1:20:02] Speaker 1: like is all humanity declining?
[1:20:05] Speaker 5: No.
[1:20:05] Speaker 1: I think medical innovation is improving American America. I don't
[1:20:09] Speaker 1: think amer American climbing though. I mean, we may not
[1:20:13] Speaker 1: be like as motivated as we used to be, but
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: there's no doubt that we're still the powerhouse of the world.
[1:20:22] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like I would say, just
[1:20:25] Speaker 3: like anything else right there are it's a roller coaster, right,
[1:20:29] Speaker 3: I think that we are. And I'll flesh this out
[1:20:32] Speaker 3: and I would love to be disabused of the notion
[1:20:35] Speaker 3: justin should you feel the need that we are on
[1:20:39] Speaker 3: a downward slope? Okay? Our infrastructure sucks, Bridges fall apart,
[1:20:46] Speaker 3: roads aren't being repaired. We have a massive drug and
[1:20:49] Speaker 3: homeless epidemic in this country. Education is absolutely balls. The
[1:20:55] Speaker 3: military has serious issues when it comes to standards. I mean,
[1:20:59] Speaker 3: I've seen it first hand. Chris is living it right
[1:21:01] Speaker 3: now because he's still active duty. Disclaimer, nobody uh in
[1:21:05] Speaker 3: on this podcast represents the d O D, especially Chris.
[1:21:09] Speaker 4: And yeah, I know if you were still in yet,
[1:21:13] Speaker 4: so I wasn't. The United States, the United States is
[1:21:18] Speaker 4: not the clear cut lead in the most cutting edge
[1:21:22] Speaker 4: technology that the world is looking at right now. When
[1:21:25] Speaker 4: I say that, I mean AI and quantum computing, Like
[1:21:28] Speaker 4: there's not this massive gag.
[1:21:30] Speaker 1: Who who is in AI and quantum computing?
[1:21:35] Speaker 3: France and China, and there's the dark horse that you don't.
[1:21:38] Speaker 3: People don't.
[1:21:39] Speaker 1: France is more advanced people the China, I think China
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: is giving us China lied about deep seak or whatever
[1:21:47] Speaker 1: that that. Yeah, I know that there is advance as
[1:21:51] Speaker 1: we're letting or I don't know, man, I'd say it's
[1:21:54] Speaker 1: neck and neck.
[1:21:55] Speaker 3: I don't know the the Nvidia. So though that's what
[1:21:58] Speaker 3: I'm that's what you're making the point.
[1:22:00] Speaker 2: Then I put three stats on top of a Brandon
[1:22:02] Speaker 2: and then you can jump back into your question. But
[1:22:04] Speaker 2: when you talk about decline, there was over one hundred
[1:22:07] Speaker 2: million members of Generation the Boomer generation. There was only
[1:22:11] Speaker 2: seventy two million or so, give or take. In the
[1:22:14] Speaker 2: millennial generation. There's only like forty two forty five million
[1:22:18] Speaker 2: members of Generation Alpha right now. So that's that's an
[1:22:22] Speaker 2: obvious population decline. We're only at one point six birth rate,
[1:22:25] Speaker 2: which is not at replacement. And then also American health,
[1:22:28] Speaker 2: we are one of the most unhealthy countries in the world.
[1:22:32] Speaker 3: But to your point, justin that's that's exactly what I'm
[1:22:35] Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like in the nineties, there wasn't a
[1:22:38] Speaker 3: country that had a anywhere near close to being on
[1:22:42] Speaker 3: par with US militarily or technologically, right, and that gap
[1:22:46] Speaker 3: has closed up in a lot of different ways. And
[1:22:49] Speaker 3: I'm not saying China is more advanced than us in
[1:22:53] Speaker 3: every frontier, but that that gap that we're that margin
[1:22:58] Speaker 3: we're talking about when I was what I was getting at,
[1:23:01] Speaker 3: is not so indistinguishably indistinguishably American anymore. Right, Like you
[1:23:06] Speaker 3: just said, like you think we're neck and neck.
[1:23:08] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but this is an emergent technology, Like if
[1:23:10] Speaker 1: you're how can you? I mean, this is something brand
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: new that everybody's figuring.
[1:23:15] Speaker 3: I mean, is it correct? It is something brand new
[1:23:19] Speaker 3: that everybody's figuring out. But there have been technologies that
[1:23:22] Speaker 3: were brand new that everybody was figuring out and dealing with,
[1:23:25] Speaker 3: like the computer when that came out and was made
[1:23:27] Speaker 3: worldwidely available in the nineteen nineties, and there were still
[1:23:30] Speaker 3: not international corporations that were meaning the same standard that
[1:23:34] Speaker 3: American companies were, right, But here we are, we have
[1:23:37] Speaker 3: companies and this is this is like an IP intellectual property,
[1:23:41] Speaker 3: you know, conversation that we could have like whatever whatever
[1:23:45] Speaker 3: it is if we're talking like NIS or GDPR or
[1:23:48] Speaker 3: CIS or whatever. But like when we can have that conversation,
[1:23:51] Speaker 3: but it's not it's not so indistinguishably American anymore, not
[1:23:56] Speaker 3: even just AI or quantum computing, right, like the fact
[1:24:01] Speaker 3: in the China and just like every other civilization has
[1:24:04] Speaker 3: built it's it's new civilization off the backs of the
[1:24:08] Speaker 3: old one, right Rome did it to the Greeks? You know,
[1:24:12] Speaker 3: we say like, oh, they stole our tech. It's like, well,
[1:24:15] Speaker 3: that's what every new civilization does. They stole the tech
[1:24:18] Speaker 3: of the last one and made it better and made
[1:24:19] Speaker 3: it different. You know. I think that that that those
[1:24:23] Speaker 3: gaps closing, and you know, the way that America projects
[1:24:28] Speaker 3: power and the fact that they're not so wide anymore,
[1:24:31] Speaker 3: I think is evidence of decline. And I think that
[1:24:35] Speaker 3: that obviously, you know, there's there's the reasons why that is.
[1:24:39] Speaker 3: The g WID is one of those reasons. The military
[1:24:41] Speaker 3: industrial complex and how money just fleeces pockets rather than
[1:24:46] Speaker 3: going to actually developing these things they're supposed to. Like
[1:24:49] Speaker 3: the replacement for the what is it either the Columbia.
[1:24:52] Speaker 3: I think the Columbia class submarine is replacing the Ohio
[1:24:55] Speaker 3: class submarine. Like the project for that started I think
[1:24:58] Speaker 3: twenty seventeen and now it's already twice the amount of
[1:25:02] Speaker 3: the originally estimated budget, and they have it turned out
[1:25:06] Speaker 3: submarines like they were supposed to, Like, that's an evidence
[1:25:09] Speaker 3: of decline. So much bureaucracy that you can't even do anything,
[1:25:12] Speaker 3: You've got analysis paralysis everywhere, and people that don't care
[1:25:19] Speaker 3: to be productive, they care to just make money. I
[1:25:22] Speaker 3: think that all of that is evidence of decline. Not
[1:25:24] Speaker 3: maybe not necessarily the money thing, because people are always
[1:25:26] Speaker 3: trying to make money, right, but the fact that you
[1:25:28] Speaker 3: can't get anything done is evidence of detaine.
[1:25:31] Speaker 1: Honestly, man, I disagree with not a lot. I mean
[1:25:34] Speaker 1: I disagree with some of that. I mean, there's a
[1:25:38] Speaker 1: lot of evidence of decline if you will, I mean,
[1:25:40] Speaker 1: if you want to look at basically anything, you can
[1:25:42] Speaker 1: say it's evidence of decline. But I mean one thing,
[1:25:45] Speaker 1: like we talk about infrastructure. Yeah, our infrastructure could be better,
[1:25:48] Speaker 1: but our infrastructure is way better than almost every country
[1:25:51] Speaker 1: I've been to. You know, there aren't bridges just falling down.
[1:25:55] Speaker 1: There are bridges that have fallen down, there are bridges
[1:25:58] Speaker 1: that have been damaged. You know, there are things that
[1:26:00] Speaker 1: need to be improved. But overall, I think we do
[1:26:03] Speaker 1: a pretty good job. And a lot of that's on
[1:26:05] Speaker 1: the state level, so every state is different, so you know,
[1:26:09] Speaker 1: there's there's that I mean, I don't know. I think
[1:26:11] Speaker 1: we're adapting. I think the world is changing. You know,
[1:26:15] Speaker 1: we were so far ahead because of the Industrial Revolution
[1:26:18] Speaker 1: and being able to come up with all this, you know,
[1:26:20] Speaker 1: all the things that we did, and we were but
[1:26:22] Speaker 1: once that, once that all these technologies and everything that
[1:26:27] Speaker 1: we came up with, other countries came up with. All
[1:26:29] Speaker 1: those things kind of spread around. That's why everything's kind
[1:26:33] Speaker 1: of closing gaps and evening out. That's one of the reasons,
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: you know, is because it's not you know, I would
[1:26:43] Speaker 1: because we're living longer than we ever have. You know,
[1:26:47] Speaker 1: we're healthier than we've ever been. That I mean, I
[1:26:53] Speaker 1: would say, like my evidence is that we're living longer
[1:26:55] Speaker 1: than we've ever have. You can we can we can say, yeah,
[1:26:58] Speaker 1: we're overweight. There's a lot of us out here that
[1:27:00] Speaker 1: are overweight. But at the same time, we're still living
[1:27:03] Speaker 1: longer than we ever have.
[1:27:05] Speaker 3: I mean, like yeah, like that's I think that's evidence
[1:27:07] Speaker 3: of modern medicine and the process of science. Like I
[1:27:10] Speaker 3: agree with with sure, But but back to the decline piece, right,
[1:27:18] Speaker 3: sticking with like let's just like stick with like tech
[1:27:20] Speaker 3: and military I don't think it's just like the natural
[1:27:23] Speaker 3: course of events. I mean, maybe it is the natural
[1:27:25] Speaker 3: course of events, because that's just that's just like what happens.
[1:27:28] Speaker 3: But I don't think it's just benign. I guess if
[1:27:30] Speaker 3: you are going to look at this through a pro
[1:27:33] Speaker 3: America's stance, that the world has closed the military advancement,
[1:27:39] Speaker 3: you know, edge that America used to have, Like I
[1:27:42] Speaker 3: remember reading something a while back about like the next
[1:27:46] Speaker 3: closest country to catching in the United States was still
[1:27:48] Speaker 3: decades behind the way that we were innovating and creating
[1:27:52] Speaker 3: new tech, especially in the military space, right, but like
[1:27:55] Speaker 3: through through like intellectual property theft and you know, espionage
[1:28:01] Speaker 3: and people being pieces of ship. You know, Americans, you know,
[1:28:04] Speaker 3: the Chinese have caught up and we were stuck.
[1:28:06] Speaker 1: I still for twenty years. I mean even though they
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: have their their.
[1:28:09] Speaker 3: I think they're When I say caught up, I don't
[1:28:11] Speaker 3: mean equal, right, I mean that the gap that we
[1:28:14] Speaker 3: used to enjoy between us and them is has significantly closed,
[1:28:19] Speaker 3: and that is evidence of decline. If you just like
[1:28:22] Speaker 3: it's just like you would disagree, man, I mean, like look.
[1:28:25] Speaker 2: All things, all things being equal, the average lifespan of
[1:28:28] Speaker 2: Americans has decreased from seventy eight point eight years to
[1:28:33] Speaker 2: now seventy seven point five years.
[1:28:36] Speaker 3: Well, but it.
[1:28:39] Speaker 2: Has that was, but it did increase again up to
[1:28:48] Speaker 2: seventy seven point five from twenty twenty two, so it
[1:28:50] Speaker 2: is back COVID. You're still partially correct that that is.
[1:28:55] Speaker 1: That's what it was. It was cod What would you
[1:28:58] Speaker 1: I remember reading that stuff before it that it was
[1:29:00] Speaker 1: the first decrease in like life. Are you time? Go ahead?
[1:29:03] Speaker 3: Sorry it was no, You're good. That's really interesting. Are
[1:29:08] Speaker 3: you comfortable with the technological gap being as narrow as
[1:29:14] Speaker 3: it is between the un stations.
[1:29:15] Speaker 1: And the hip? I mean, I don't know. I mean,
[1:29:16] Speaker 1: is it than where you are?
[1:29:18] Speaker 3: Maybe years?
[1:29:19] Speaker 1: The problem is is that I'm I would be assuming
[1:29:21] Speaker 1: I've never been to China. I don't even know where
[1:29:23] Speaker 1: they are technology wise. I hear a lot of news,
[1:29:26] Speaker 1: and do I trust what's coming through the news maybe
[1:29:30] Speaker 1: you know, like maybe some maybe not. I think China
[1:29:33] Speaker 1: has way more problems, but no one knows about them
[1:29:35] Speaker 1: because there's such a closed society that sure you don't
[1:29:38] Speaker 1: hear the the impact right now that they're having, like
[1:29:41] Speaker 1: tariffs are having on their country, and how right now
[1:29:45] Speaker 1: there's millions of jobs at stake, and there's millions, not millions,
[1:29:48] Speaker 1: And there's thousands, I think, maybe, if not thousands, hundreds,
[1:29:52] Speaker 1: hundreds or thousands of factories that are closed right now
[1:29:55] Speaker 1: that they've declared a holiday, you know, and it's actually
[1:29:58] Speaker 1: because they're trying to production because they don't need it.
[1:30:01] Speaker 1: I mean, they're well.
[1:30:04] Speaker 3: Earlier, you were defending yourself with with your I don't
[1:30:08] Speaker 3: remember what it was that you were saying, like, oh, yeah,
[1:30:10] Speaker 3: you don't think blue collar workers are pieces of shit.
[1:30:11] Speaker 3: So I'm gonna quantify and say that I don't think
[1:30:16] Speaker 3: China is beating the United States on every front. I
[1:30:19] Speaker 3: also don't think China is without problems. Me Chris and
[1:30:22] Speaker 3: I talk about this on our show all the time
[1:30:25] Speaker 3: about how China has all these problems. We have had
[1:30:27] Speaker 3: people come on to flush those out, you know, the
[1:30:32] Speaker 3: problems that China has. All I'm saying is that the
[1:30:36] Speaker 3: fact that the United States has let that gap close,
[1:30:40] Speaker 3: I think is evidence of decline. And I don't think
[1:30:43] Speaker 3: it necessarily means permanent decline, but I also know that
[1:30:47] Speaker 3: it doesn't. That is not a good thing. That's not
[1:30:50] Speaker 3: a net positive at the end of the day. Right
[1:30:54] Speaker 3: to let in a country who's so obviously and states
[1:30:58] Speaker 3: they see you as an enemy to any gap on
[1:31:01] Speaker 3: you would not be something you'd put in the positive
[1:31:04] Speaker 3: column if you were going to break break those situations.
[1:31:08] Speaker 3: That's all I was saying, like, I obviously know China
[1:31:10] Speaker 3: has a ton of fucking problems, and I don't think
[1:31:12] Speaker 3: that they're this amazing fucking country. But I also am
[1:31:16] Speaker 3: not going to Underescid.
[1:31:17] Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think their military is what
[1:31:19] Speaker 1: everyone thinks it is. I think they're kind of like
[1:31:23] Speaker 1: I don't either. The whole time I was in the Marines,
[1:31:25] Speaker 1: and you know, not the whole time, but you know,
[1:31:27] Speaker 1: while you're in the military, people talked about Russia while
[1:31:31] Speaker 1: they have these tanks, they have certain sensors on them,
[1:31:34] Speaker 1: and they have they have this weapon system and these
[1:31:36] Speaker 1: guys are pretty legit. And then then we see them
[1:31:39] Speaker 1: going to Ukraine and really just fucking shit the bed, Like,
[1:31:42] Speaker 1: hey guys, PMS Monday, PMS, you know you have to
[1:31:45] Speaker 1: get to Motopol and start checking those tires so they
[1:31:48] Speaker 1: don't fucking blow up on trying to invade a country.
[1:31:51] Speaker 3: If you're I said that in an episode, as they do.
[1:31:53] Speaker 3: If you're buying winterized tires from North Korea.
[1:31:56] Speaker 1: So I think China is similar to that, where we
[1:31:59] Speaker 1: hold them on a high pedestal, partly to justify our
[1:32:04] Speaker 1: need for such an advanced and large sized military. But
[1:32:10] Speaker 1: I think it's also cool to like experiment with new stuff,
[1:32:13] Speaker 1: you know, Like I think that's part of it, you know.
[1:32:15] Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, I don't think we're in decline.
[1:32:17] Speaker 1: I think we're I I think we're I think, yeah,
[1:32:23] Speaker 1: I mean ups and downs, right every We're gonna have
[1:32:25] Speaker 1: ups and downs. I think the last four years mostly
[1:32:28] Speaker 1: we're down. I mean, I hate to be that guy,
[1:32:30] Speaker 1: and I know a lot of people maybe probably agree
[1:32:32] Speaker 1: with me, but like it was just that was I
[1:32:36] Speaker 1: felt like I felt like no one gave a fuck
[1:32:42] Speaker 1: about Americans, you know, like in the government, That's what
[1:32:45] Speaker 1: it felt like, you know, they were caring about everybody
[1:32:48] Speaker 1: except for like the average like everyday tax paying American.
[1:32:52] Speaker 1: Hey we're gonna get like drugs, and we're gonna get
[1:32:55] Speaker 1: needles for the fucking homeless people and stuff like that.
[1:32:58] Speaker 1: Hey we're gonna get like housing, free food and free
[1:33:01] Speaker 1: medical for like illegal immigrants and stuff like that, and hey,
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: we're gonna get this for this. You know. It's like,
[1:33:06] Speaker 1: but the average everyday American going and working in a
[1:33:09] Speaker 1: factory job or something like that, they're not getting those handouts.
[1:33:12] Speaker 1: They make a little bit too much to get a
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: handout one if they even wanted it to. A lot
[1:33:17] Speaker 1: of people don't want handouts, you know what I'm saying.
[1:33:18] Speaker 1: But I just feel like the last four years was
[1:33:22] Speaker 1: so bad. No, I think right now we're probably in
[1:33:25] Speaker 1: a pretty good spot. I don't like what Trump is
[1:33:28] Speaker 1: doing with his trade war stuff. I think he did
[1:33:30] Speaker 1: a little haphazardly. I think that. I think at the
[1:33:34] Speaker 1: end of the day, if he comes through with all
[1:33:36] Speaker 1: these deals they keep saying that they're gonna have, I
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: think that would be great, and it'd be awesome. If not,
[1:33:42] Speaker 1: and we keep these tariffs on, then he needs to
[1:33:45] Speaker 1: do some kind of major tax cut because he can't
[1:33:47] Speaker 1: have both. It should be one or the other. I
[1:33:49] Speaker 1: think that was the whole plan. I don't know, man,
[1:33:52] Speaker 1: I just think I'm more positive. I think that we
[1:33:56] Speaker 1: have such great innovation. I think we bring in smart people.
[1:34:00] Speaker 1: I think we allow smart people to think freely. I think, yeah,
[1:34:05] Speaker 1: I mean, you don't get that in China, you know,
[1:34:07] Speaker 1: you have to toe the party line. This is this
[1:34:09] Speaker 1: works like North Korea. Yeah, sure it'll work.
[1:34:12] Speaker 3: Anything you make. I made this, you know, it's just.
[1:34:18] Speaker 1: I'm a very much I'm very much positive though, I'm
[1:34:21] Speaker 1: very much like everything's you know, you have to be positive. Yeah,
[1:34:26] Speaker 1: Cuse there are negatives that can be pulled. And that's
[1:34:29] Speaker 1: the other thing too, is our bias is that we're
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: here in America. So it's very easy to look around
[1:34:33] Speaker 1: and go, look at that. That's fucked up, look at that.
[1:34:35] Speaker 1: I can't believe this. They got rid of parking and
[1:34:37] Speaker 1: put in bikelanes. It souns of bitches, you know, like
[1:34:39] Speaker 1: those kinds of things. I'm just mad because it keeps
[1:34:45] Speaker 1: happening here in San Diego, those sorts of things, like
[1:34:48] Speaker 1: we see that every day, so we don't see the like.
[1:34:52] Speaker 1: Do you have any Chinese news sources, like actually from China,
[1:34:57] Speaker 1: not like BBC China you know or something like that.
[1:35:02] Speaker 3: Uh So I use Ground News, which I can't recommend
[1:35:06] Speaker 3: highly enough. And yeah, it will pull Chinese news sources
[1:35:11] Speaker 3: and it'll tell you like it's factual. You know, it's accuracy.
[1:35:15] Speaker 3: It's like mixed factuality or high factuality or whatever. And
[1:35:19] Speaker 3: it shows you news it doesn't matter like I like,
[1:35:20] Speaker 3: I saw one one time it was like the Ugandan
[1:35:24] Speaker 3: Ugandan News and like Jesus, you know it was it
[1:35:26] Speaker 3: was a high factuality our article, you know. So but yeah,
[1:35:30] Speaker 3: like it will get.
[1:35:31] Speaker 1: You, I mean because a lot of people aren't looking
[1:35:33] Speaker 1: at other sources. So it's like it's like right, Well,
[1:35:37] Speaker 1: so one time I did a I had a guy
[1:35:40] Speaker 1: from the Marine Corps time to reach out to me
[1:35:42] Speaker 1: about an article about the artillery community. I can't remember
[1:35:45] Speaker 1: what it was about exactly, and I was kind of
[1:35:48] Speaker 1: in the artillery community because I was an observer. So
[1:35:50] Speaker 1: when he called me, he was asking me these questions
[1:35:52] Speaker 1: up like that gunners would know. And I was kind
[1:35:55] Speaker 1: of explaining, like they have their own kind of culture,
[1:35:58] Speaker 1: you know, they fight along among the guns. They're like
[1:36:01] Speaker 1: that kind of deal and where you know, that wasn't
[1:36:03] Speaker 1: really my thing. And then I read the article and
[1:36:06] Speaker 1: he like misquoted me so much, you know, and I
[1:36:09] Speaker 1: was just like what the fuck I sound like? I
[1:36:12] Speaker 1: was like, yeah, being the boys are out here, Like
[1:36:15] Speaker 1: what what that? Right? There is a p That's a
[1:36:19] Speaker 1: perfect example of my I have a direct or, a
[1:36:22] Speaker 1: direct piece of evidence of someone taking I said and
[1:36:25] Speaker 1: put it in a newspaper and it being wrong. How
[1:36:27] Speaker 1: often does that happen? There's a there's a term for
[1:36:29] Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm describing as well. I don't remember
[1:36:31] Speaker 1: what it is. No, it's not yellow journalism. It's where
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: it's where you read something that you are very familiar
[1:36:38] Speaker 1: with in a newspaper and.
[1:36:40] Speaker 2: The gel man.
[1:36:41] Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Yeah, it's where you go
[1:36:45] Speaker 1: in and you go, hey, this is something I'm super
[1:36:47] Speaker 1: familiar with, and you read the article and this is
[1:36:48] Speaker 1: all bullshit? What is this? And then you go to
[1:36:50] Speaker 1: the next article and it's about something you're not familiar with,
[1:36:52] Speaker 1: and you're like, and you believe everything that they're saying,
[1:36:55] Speaker 1: you know, And that's the deal, Like, how much information
[1:36:58] Speaker 1: are we getting that's unfiltered? I think we're doing pretty good.
[1:37:01] Speaker 1: I think it makes some people. The bad thing is
[1:37:05] Speaker 1: is that us not doing well is good for the
[1:37:09] Speaker 1: politics for whatever you know group is not in office,
[1:37:13] Speaker 1: and that's yeah, and it gets amplified that way, and
[1:37:16] Speaker 1: everyone's like, I can't believe the downfall democracy is happening,
[1:37:20] Speaker 1: and blaah and all this, you know, and it's on
[1:37:23] Speaker 1: both sides. It's not just damns or Republicans on both sides.
[1:37:26] Speaker 1: And I just don't buy into it, man, I don't
[1:37:29] Speaker 1: buy into the fatalism of it, of the like this
[1:37:31] Speaker 1: is the end of the world. I think things need
[1:37:34] Speaker 1: to get better. I think there are things that should improve.
[1:37:37] Speaker 1: But man, there's no other time in the world I'd
[1:37:40] Speaker 1: want to live in right now. You know what I'm saying.
[1:37:44] Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah no,
[1:37:48] Speaker 3: I think that first and foremost, I think that we
[1:37:54] Speaker 3: are as a country. I think we're in a slump
[1:37:58] Speaker 3: in certain ways because we've come out of like the
[1:38:01] Speaker 3: twenty years of the Global War on Terror. But I
[1:38:03] Speaker 3: agree with you. The thing that I think you said
[1:38:05] Speaker 3: was super important is that, h you know, you can
[1:38:07] Speaker 3: innovate freely here in the United States and you can't
[1:38:11] Speaker 3: do that in in China, which is which is why
[1:38:15] Speaker 3: I I think that, you know, always the United States
[1:38:19] Speaker 3: will have an advantage over the Chinese. It's just just
[1:38:22] Speaker 3: like any the history on any dictator, Eventually they will
[1:38:26] Speaker 3: fuck it up because you cannot have a single point
[1:38:29] Speaker 3: of failure any in anything right, and if you are
[1:38:33] Speaker 3: if you are a dictator, you are the single point
[1:38:35] Speaker 3: of failure, right, and and how the future of your
[1:38:38] Speaker 3: dictatorship the outlook of the future of your dictatorship, right.
[1:38:43] Speaker 3: So you know, I do believe a lot more in Americans,
[1:38:47] Speaker 3: I think than a lot of people do. I suppose
[1:38:54] Speaker 3: who are chronically online, I guess, but I I choose
[1:38:58] Speaker 3: to be I would say like this, I choose to
[1:39:00] Speaker 3: be critical because I don't believe in telling I think
[1:39:04] Speaker 3: one of the worst things you can say to somebody
[1:39:05] Speaker 3: who needs to change is that they're good the way
[1:39:07] Speaker 3: they are. I think that's one of the stupidest things
[1:39:09] Speaker 3: you can say to somebody. And I believe in being
[1:39:12] Speaker 3: critical because it will it will reach the right audience,
[1:39:15] Speaker 3: and it will reach the people who will hear it
[1:39:18] Speaker 3: and recognize that the criticism is warranted. And I think too,
[1:39:24] Speaker 3: that it will reach to people who have the fortitude
[1:39:27] Speaker 3: and integrity to recognize that they need to change. Because
[1:39:32] Speaker 3: if you if you are not competent, and you don't
[1:39:36] Speaker 3: have the integrity to recognize that criticism of you and
[1:39:39] Speaker 3: your incompetence, then you deserve exactly what's coming to you.
[1:39:44] Speaker 3: And I think that being critical in a way that
[1:39:46] Speaker 3: I try to be, even if it does come off pessimistic.
[1:39:50] Speaker 3: I think is I try to use it as a
[1:39:53] Speaker 3: forcing function and a driving force. That's the way I
[1:39:56] Speaker 3: I I if that summarizes, my takes have.
[1:40:00] Speaker 1: To be critical to get better, right, and I think
[1:40:02] Speaker 1: they I think you were. I think we would be
[1:40:05] Speaker 1: in a decline if you could no longer criticize what's happening.
[1:40:10] Speaker 1: That's a decline, you know, when you can't free, when
[1:40:13] Speaker 1: you can't like expression and you can't you know, the
[1:40:17] Speaker 1: UK is in a decline, you know what I'm saying.
[1:40:20] Speaker 1: Like they can't even post their own thoughts without getting
[1:40:24] Speaker 1: possibly rolled up in jail. They have thousands of like
[1:40:26] Speaker 1: you said earlier, they have thousands of people in jail
[1:40:28] Speaker 1: for memes and stuff like that for Facebook, And you know, yeah,
[1:40:34] Speaker 1: so I don't know, but again I'm uh, I'm pretty positive.
[1:40:39] Speaker 1: I'm you never the thing I've learned about politics and
[1:40:43] Speaker 1: world politics, geopolitics, whatever, you never know what the fuck
[1:40:47] Speaker 1: is gonna happen. Man, Like we could think we have
[1:40:50] Speaker 1: China figure it out, and Jiji Pin could die tomorrow
[1:40:53] Speaker 1: of a fucking heart attack, and then what happens? Who
[1:40:56] Speaker 1: who's up after him? You know what I'm saying? Or
[1:40:59] Speaker 1: or Vladimir we were killed by maybe an insider threat,
[1:41:02] Speaker 1: maybe someone in Russia. It's tired of him doing stuff.
[1:41:04] Speaker 1: What happens in Russia? Then now what you know what
[1:41:07] Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, it's like when you don't think, like
[1:41:10] Speaker 1: you're like, I got to figure it out. There's always
[1:41:12] Speaker 1: something that comes out of left field, like boom, gotcha.
[1:41:15] Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you're right.
[1:41:19] Speaker 1: Oh man, that was the biggest soft you know, got me? Dude.
[1:41:24] Speaker 1: COVID was so jacked up. I'll leave let's end on this.
[1:41:26] Speaker 1: But you know, COVID was so messed up. At the
[1:41:28] Speaker 1: very beginning of it. I was extremely worried. I was like,
[1:41:30] Speaker 1: holy shit, we're talking about a virus. I was like, man,
[1:41:34] Speaker 1: we're wiping stuff down in the house. Like I was like,
[1:41:36] Speaker 1: literally like once a day, it's like I wipe all
[1:41:38] Speaker 1: the handles off, wipe everything down.
[1:41:40] Speaker 3: You know.
[1:41:41] Speaker 1: I kind of got back into this when I was
[1:41:42] Speaker 1: on ship. We had what's called the double dragon where
[1:41:46] Speaker 1: you both vomit and ship at the same time. And
[1:41:53] Speaker 1: I can't remember what the name of the virus is,
[1:41:55] Speaker 1: but it's like a viral infection. It goes. So I
[1:41:58] Speaker 1: was like, well, on ship we had to wipe. It
[1:42:00] Speaker 1: doesn't work, but you know, it makes everyone feel better,
[1:42:02] Speaker 1: so like wipe everything down. And I was doing that
[1:42:05] Speaker 1: and I remember when they were talking about I remember
[1:42:08] Speaker 1: when they were talking about coming up with a vaccine
[1:42:13] Speaker 1: and they were like, yeah, we're gonna start looking for
[1:42:15] Speaker 1: volunteers for this vaccine. And you know, dude, for a minute,
[1:42:18] Speaker 1: I considered volunteering. You know what, you know, it's crazy
[1:42:21] Speaker 1: because I was like, you know, when I'm younger, I'm healthy, Like,
[1:42:24] Speaker 1: they're not gonna give me something crazy. It's not like
[1:42:26] Speaker 1: they're gonna inject some fucking crazy shit in me. And
[1:42:29] Speaker 1: then now I'm like, looking back, I'm like, man, I'm
[1:42:31] Speaker 1: glad I didn't volunteer for that. But at the time
[1:42:36] Speaker 1: it was such a huge deal. I was like I
[1:42:38] Speaker 1: was sitting there like, man, like this is one of
[1:42:40] Speaker 1: those times like people need to step up for the
[1:42:42] Speaker 1: country kind of deal. You know, someone's got to do
[1:42:44] Speaker 1: it right, and uh, for literally for a minute, I
[1:42:48] Speaker 1: was like, why could volunteer for this? You know this
[1:42:51] Speaker 1: isn't and yeah, that was my fucking COVID Dude, What
[1:42:56] Speaker 1: a what a mess? What a mess? That was?
[1:42:58] Speaker 3: Bro?
[1:42:59] Speaker 1: I was a mess.
[1:43:00] Speaker 3: I agree dude. You know, I had a pretty unique
[1:43:03] Speaker 3: experience with COVID because I was in Germany when it happened,
[1:43:08] Speaker 3: and you know, we locked we locked down. And the
[1:43:10] Speaker 3: Germans always say they did exactly what you'd expect Germans
[1:43:13] Speaker 3: to do in any sort of situation where they need
[1:43:15] Speaker 3: to control a population, you know. But uh, you know,
[1:43:21] Speaker 3: it was stupid to me because I was a cop
[1:43:24] Speaker 3: and I had to interact with the you know, the
[1:43:26] Speaker 3: the members of a city every day. I was on
[1:43:29] Speaker 3: shift for you know, twelve hours a day, and it's
[1:43:32] Speaker 3: just like, why the hell am I wearing a mask anywhere?
[1:43:35] Speaker 3: You know, And like, yeah, like I saw this and
[1:43:39] Speaker 3: like you remember too, like a lot of the early footage.
[1:43:43] Speaker 3: There was even video of people in China that were
[1:43:45] Speaker 3: collapsing in the street and shit, and I was like,
[1:43:48] Speaker 3: oh my god, dude, like her, what was going on?
[1:43:50] Speaker 1: Right? Right?
[1:43:52] Speaker 3: And yeah, and then I saw like Italy got hit
[1:43:55] Speaker 3: really really hard, you may remember, and there were all
[1:43:57] Speaker 3: these people dying in the hospital. It's like, oh shit,
[1:43:59] Speaker 3: this this is like serious, serious, you know. And so
[1:44:02] Speaker 3: you know, and being in Germany, like Italy's not that
[1:44:04] Speaker 3: far away, or Europe is not as big as some
[1:44:06] Speaker 3: people think it is, and I'm just like, well, fuck,
[1:44:09] Speaker 3: like what is this shit?
[1:44:10] Speaker 1: You know?
[1:44:11] Speaker 3: And you know, after a while, like and then like
[1:44:14] Speaker 3: my angst about the situation, I think like maybe not
[1:44:16] Speaker 3: give a fuck anymore. And then like two weeks into it,
[1:44:19] Speaker 3: I had to pull somebody out of a porta potty
[1:44:22] Speaker 3: and had human waste on me, and I was like,
[1:44:24] Speaker 3: well this is over. Oh yeah, like if I'm getting COVID, dude,
[1:44:27] Speaker 3: And like there's a terrible story I actually about a
[1:44:32] Speaker 3: soldier who died of COVID on a fucking sidewalk and
[1:44:36] Speaker 3: c ID couldn't figure out what the fuck to do
[1:44:38] Speaker 3: because there was no protocol for a pandemic and the Germans,
[1:44:41] Speaker 3: like creep its what they're called, they didn't want to
[1:44:43] Speaker 3: fucking touch it either, so they put a tent over
[1:44:46] Speaker 3: this guy on on the sidewalk with his wife sitting
[1:44:50] Speaker 3: there holding his dead body for like four hours, bro.
[1:44:54] Speaker 3: And it was just like just like that to me,
[1:44:56] Speaker 3: Like when I think about COVID and I think about
[1:44:58] Speaker 3: my experience, I think about situations like that where like
[1:45:02] Speaker 3: people just had no idea about what the fuck to do,
[1:45:06] Speaker 3: and like it's so natural to like put yourself in
[1:45:09] Speaker 3: like what you said. You were like, well, we got
[1:45:10] Speaker 3: to do this, like to get out of this, you know.
[1:45:12] Speaker 3: It's kind of like you got to walk into the
[1:45:14] Speaker 3: storm to get out the other side quick enough, you know, quicker, right.
[1:45:18] Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people and I think
[1:45:19] Speaker 3: that that I think that that's a I think that's
[1:45:23] Speaker 3: an honorable way to look at situations like that, you know,
[1:45:26] Speaker 3: but it also gives way too much grace to the
[1:45:30] Speaker 3: people in charge, Like you said, right like, oh well
[1:45:32] Speaker 3: this is fine, you know, go go get a VACS,
[1:45:35] Speaker 3: this experimental vaccine that by the way, Trump, President Trump
[1:45:39] Speaker 3: went through Operation warpsbed got out onto the streets the
[1:45:42] Speaker 3: hell of a lot quicker pretty fast, right, you know,
[1:45:46] Speaker 3: go get go get a vaccine and get a hamburger
[1:45:48] Speaker 3: and fries, right like all this crap.
[1:45:51] Speaker 1: You know.
[1:45:51] Speaker 3: And then we've come out and realized like there was
[1:45:54] Speaker 3: no science to this six foot thing Fauci wanted to
[1:45:57] Speaker 3: you know, all this shit, you know, and it's just
[1:45:59] Speaker 3: like we'll go to show you that when the shit
[1:46:02] Speaker 3: hits the fan, absolutely no one has any fucking clue
[1:46:05] Speaker 3: what to do, and most people are just trying their
[1:46:09] Speaker 3: best at the end of the day, and you know,
[1:46:13] Speaker 3: there's always going to be bad actors like there were
[1:46:15] Speaker 3: doing during COVID. The Chinese wouldn't tell anybody what the
[1:46:19] Speaker 3: fuck was going on. They hid the information about where
[1:46:22] Speaker 3: it came from. It's still to some people, doesn't occur
[1:46:25] Speaker 3: to them that maybe the coronavirus came out of the
[1:46:28] Speaker 3: novel Coronavirus Lab and Wuhan right where this started, you know.
[1:46:32] Speaker 3: So it's just it's just crazy to me, Like people
[1:46:34] Speaker 3: are gonna people, dude, is all I'm saying. And there's
[1:46:37] Speaker 3: gonna be chaos, especially with situations like that.
[1:46:41] Speaker 2: Dude. This is this is this is how insane the
[1:46:43] Speaker 2: human race went during COVID. And I remember when this
[1:46:47] Speaker 2: article dropped. This is twenty twenty one, so this is
[1:46:52] Speaker 2: like on on heading toward the backside of it, right,
[1:46:55] Speaker 2: But there was this brothel in Austria that was offering
[1:47:00] Speaker 2: free sessions, free sex for people who would come and
[1:47:04] Speaker 2: get vaccinated. So come and get vaccinated for COVID, but
[1:47:08] Speaker 2: leave with chlamydia, you know what I mean? Like this is.
[1:47:11] Speaker 3: This, you know what I mean.
[1:47:14] Speaker 2: But the problem with COVID, because you guys are absolutely right,
[1:47:18] Speaker 2: like in the beginning, nobody knew what to do with it.
[1:47:20] Speaker 2: But it's like if you go back and you watch
[1:47:21] Speaker 2: movies like Outbreak right or any movie that's about UFOs. Ever,
[1:47:25] Speaker 2: what's the prevailing wisdom, Right, It's like, Hey, we need
[1:47:29] Speaker 2: to get a handle on this, figure out what we're
[1:47:31] Speaker 2: dealing with. Let's not incite panic in the larger population,
[1:47:35] Speaker 2: because that's going to cause bigger problems. They took like
[1:47:38] Speaker 2: all of that basic conventional wisdom because COVID became politically
[1:47:44] Speaker 2: expedient heading into that election cycle and they and they
[1:47:48] Speaker 2: fanned it into the problem, like CNN was running the
[1:47:53] Speaker 2: death toll every day on the news site to just
[1:47:56] Speaker 2: keep that panic, like.
[1:47:58] Speaker 3: The dark owinder, like the vaccine that the death winter
[1:48:02] Speaker 3: of the unvaccinated or some ship.
[1:48:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I think that's one thing that COVID proved
[1:48:05] Speaker 1: was that humans can't even come together for something like
[1:48:08] Speaker 1: that without it becoming political. Anybody that have their eyes open,
[1:48:11] Speaker 1: we're what we're paying attention during that whole time, saw
[1:48:14] Speaker 1: the politics of it, and we're just like I couldn't
[1:48:16] Speaker 1: believe that. I was like, this is crazy. And what
[1:48:18] Speaker 1: was crazy is how many people were so out of
[1:48:22] Speaker 1: the loop and just not not caring, not paying attention.
[1:48:25] Speaker 1: It's like, bro, this is at this point, we're literally
[1:48:27] Speaker 1: affecting our lives, like we can't leave our places. Were
[1:48:29] Speaker 1: you talking about I can't go to the store or
[1:48:31] Speaker 1: you know? Like well anyways, man.
[1:48:36] Speaker 2: We're we're alright alright that death note.
[1:48:43] Speaker 1: Have you guys. Have you guys ever listened to the
[1:48:47] Speaker 1: Stranger by the Hour podcast? I think you guys would
[1:48:50] Speaker 1: get along with those things. It's two former Marcians guys. Uh.
[1:48:56] Speaker 1: One was uh. They both did both like U D Snipers,
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: like did different things, and then they worked for the
[1:49:03] Speaker 1: for So Calm as contractors and now they have the
[1:49:07] Speaker 1: podcast Stranger by the Hour. They've been on this show
[1:49:09] Speaker 1: a few times and they go deep into like conspiracies
[1:49:14] Speaker 1: and like not not that you guys are conspiracy theorists
[1:49:17] Speaker 1: or anything, but like, hey, that's not a bad word. Yeah,
[1:49:21] Speaker 1: the research. It's funny though. It's just like, I think
[1:49:24] Speaker 1: you guys would like them. I think you guys should.
[1:49:26] Speaker 1: You guys should talk to them. Maybe you guys should
[1:49:28] Speaker 1: get on each other's podcast because.
[1:49:31] Speaker 3: It's a Stranger by the Hour.
[1:49:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, Cody and Aaron, those are both good dudes. Check
[1:49:37] Speaker 1: those guys out. But where can people find your guys'
[1:49:39] Speaker 1: show tell us.
[1:49:42] Speaker 3: Did I always tell people to go to Rumble first
[1:49:45] Speaker 3: because we have had so much success over there, and
[1:49:47] Speaker 3: it's because of Rumble's platform and not censoring people, right,
[1:49:51] Speaker 3: So go find us on Rumble first. If you don't
[1:49:53] Speaker 3: have a Rumble account, go make one. There's a lot
[1:49:55] Speaker 3: of good shows on Rumble anyway. But we're also on YouTube, Spotify,
[1:50:00] Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, and we also have a social media presence
[1:50:04] Speaker 3: as well on Instagram primarily you can go follow us
[1:50:06] Speaker 3: over there, where I put a lot of short form
[1:50:09] Speaker 3: content like pull reels from our episodes. We do a
[1:50:13] Speaker 3: lot of you know, like like guy on the Phone
[1:50:16] Speaker 3: videos too, you know. So yeah, go follow us on
[1:50:19] Speaker 3: one of those platforms, man help us out. I would
[1:50:22] Speaker 3: appreciate it for sure. And you can check out our
[1:50:23] Speaker 3: merch store and the sponsors on any of the show
[1:50:26] Speaker 3: notes from our episodes, red pill threads for the merch.
[1:50:30] Speaker 3: My favorite shirt is definitely the Teddy Roosevelt Brutal American
[1:50:34] Speaker 3: that we got on there. And you can also go
[1:50:36] Speaker 3: check out all the other homies over at the Dear
[1:50:38] Speaker 3: American Network as well that we're a part of. So
[1:50:40] Speaker 3: if you're if you're familiar with Dear America. Maybe Graham, Allen, Todd, Spears,
[1:50:43] Speaker 3: Maggie Moo, all those all those awesome folks chat praiser
[1:50:47] Speaker 3: over there on Dear America and go check.
[1:50:48] Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, everybody check out my stuff
[1:50:52] Speaker 1: JA Kreamergraphics dot com is my website for more action
[1:50:54] Speaker 1: guys for more action. News is my Instagram. And that's it. Gentlemen,
[1:50:57] Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys coming on.
[1:51:00] Speaker 3: Thanks Bro, thanks for having us man fun talking dude,
[1:51:05] Speaker 3: yahm

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