# Ep. 236 | Lee Deckelman | Army Ranger, Green Beret, Air Marshal, Triple Canopy

An episode of [Former Action Guys Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475060182), 19 Nov 2025, 2 h 00 min.

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Lee Deckelman served as an infantryman in the Army before going to the 20th Special Forces Group in the National Guard. He eventually moved back to active duty and went to the Ranger battalions before heading to 3rd Special Forces Group. Following the military, he served as an Air Marshal and was part of the first group of Triple Canopy contractors. Support the show https://www.jcramergraphics.com https://www.ANGLICOshop.com https://www.patreon.com/formeractionguys Lee's book https://www.amazon.com/INTERNAL-Where-Monster-Mindfulness-Become/dp/B09251YC1K/ref=sr_1_1?crid=8W43QET0IIG3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.6ODR0pT1WmAUZR9HuZuZTw.GbQoSzHLQhFIoFaVNxz35DLUTJ5krAqVzee_LE48XH8&dib_tag=se&keywords=lee+deckelman&qid=1763515157&sprefix=lee+deck%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-1#

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on, guys. Welcome to the former ACTU
[0:02] Speaker 1: Guys Podcast. Just today I have on Lee Deckleman, who
[0:05] Speaker 1: has done a lot of stuff Army Infantry. He was activated.
[0:10] Speaker 1: He moved from the Infantry to National Guard, got activated
[0:13] Speaker 1: for Desert Storm. He went through SFAs Special Forces Assessment
[0:18] Speaker 1: and Selection. He worked with twenty of Special Forces Group,
[0:21] Speaker 1: Third Special Forces Group. He also came back active duty,
[0:24] Speaker 1: went to First Ranger Battalion and then he went to
[0:27] Speaker 1: third Special Forces Group. After that, he was in eighteen
[0:29] Speaker 1: Delta in Africa. He's an original member of Triple Canopy Security.
[0:35] Speaker 1: I think he did security for twelve years. But I'm
[0:38] Speaker 1: gonna be honest. We get into this interview and about
[0:40] Speaker 1: halfway through there, we don't get into the Triple Canopy stuff.
[0:43] Speaker 1: We get sidetracked talking about Epstein nine to eleven and
[0:49] Speaker 1: all this stuff. So I'll probably have him on a
[0:52] Speaker 1: second time to get more into the Triple Canopy and
[0:55] Speaker 1: private security. He was also an Air Marshal. We didn't
[0:57] Speaker 1: really talk to. We talked a little bit about it,
[0:59] Speaker 1: but not a lot. So he's got a crazy background.
[1:03] Speaker 1: But I think you're gonna find our conversation gets kind
[1:06] Speaker 1: of interesting about I think it's about halfway through, but
[1:09] Speaker 1: I guess we'll see. Yeah, but enjoy. Uh.
[1:12] Speaker 2: I probably need to get me a laptop or something.
[1:16] Speaker 3: But you know, I'm kind of a minimalist and I'm
[1:19] Speaker 3: kind of getting away from being so connected.
[1:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, over the years, and uh, you know that's just part.
[1:25] Speaker 1: Of my journey, Yeah, disconnecting.
[1:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, when we get started, I watched
[1:32] Speaker 3: your and I want to mention it. You know, I
[1:35] Speaker 3: want to give Michael Pack credit, Like I really enjoyed
[1:38] Speaker 3: that episode.
[1:39] Speaker 2: And what I enjoy most is, you know.
[1:43] Speaker 3: I thought, alongside to four in downtown Ramadi during the
[1:47] Speaker 3: first Battle of Ramadi and Fallujah, they had lost so
[1:51] Speaker 3: many guys that some of us had teamed up with
[1:53] Speaker 3: them doing patrols and things of that nature as a
[1:58] Speaker 3: protection detail. But you know, and then in November two
[2:02] Speaker 3: five was involved and we were I was there for
[2:07] Speaker 3: that too, and and you know, it's just a if
[2:11] Speaker 3: I have an opportunity to plug in, you know, a
[2:15] Speaker 3: big you know, thumbs up, so to speak for those guys.
[2:21] Speaker 3: You know, I love having the opportunity to talk about
[2:24] Speaker 3: those marines and and how hard they fought and how
[2:29] Speaker 3: bad Ramadi was because you know, those battles were simultaneously.
[2:33] Speaker 3: I don't know that he really addressed that. You know,
[2:36] Speaker 3: he was more focused on Fallujah.
[2:38] Speaker 2: But you know Mattis.
[2:40] Speaker 3: I was at Blue diming with Mattis and we went
[2:43] Speaker 3: a lot of same meetings because of Ambassador Stu Jones
[2:47] Speaker 3: was his civilian counterpart. And so you know, just talking
[2:51] Speaker 3: about that, that stuff's more interesting than my stuff, you
[2:56] Speaker 3: know what I mean.
[2:56] Speaker 2: So I do a joy.
[2:58] Speaker 3: So if we get to that, you know, General Madis
[3:00] Speaker 3: or General Kelly. I've got some good stories of those guys.
[3:04] Speaker 3: And last time when I was on Team House, like
[3:08] Speaker 3: I didn't know it, but my blood pressure was like
[3:10] Speaker 3: one seventy over one ten, So I what you know,
[3:14] Speaker 3: I didn't even real so my blood pressure is no
[3:17] Speaker 3: you know, I had stopped taking my blood pressure medicine.
[3:19] Speaker 2: I thought I was fine, but I wasn't.
[3:22] Speaker 3: So when I went back and watched that, I was like, man,
[3:25] Speaker 3: you know, so I wasn't thinking, You know, I wasn't.
[3:28] Speaker 3: I wasn't really as answering the questions directly, and so
[3:32] Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to do a better job of doing that.
[3:34] Speaker 1: Oh no, man, I thought it went well. I you
[3:36] Speaker 1: know from what I saw, I thought it was kind
[3:38] Speaker 1: of you know, yeah, and that's funny. I think when
[3:41] Speaker 1: you start talking about like high stress times in your life,
[3:44] Speaker 1: there blood pressure, and especially if you're used to that,
[3:49] Speaker 1: like if you're one of those people that have been
[3:50] Speaker 1: in high stress situations so much, you don't even realize
[3:54] Speaker 1: that your blood pressure, your like heart rate is increasing
[3:57] Speaker 1: because you're like used to that and it almost seems normal.
[4:00] Speaker 1: But then you look at it and you're like, wow,
[4:01] Speaker 1: that's probably not too healthy.
[4:02] Speaker 2: It's exactly right.
[4:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I'll probably clip that part out and
[4:08] Speaker 1: maybe put it up on Patreon or something like that.
[4:10] Speaker 1: But we can talk more about it into it in
[4:11] Speaker 1: the episode if you want.
[4:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, if it comes up, i'd love to.
[4:16] Speaker 3: You know, I know you're a former marine and yeah, man,
[4:20] Speaker 3: that that really you know, it changed my view of
[4:24] Speaker 3: you know how you know, Army makes fun of marines
[4:27] Speaker 3: and and everything else, but you know, after that experience,
[4:32] Speaker 3: it was it was like, yeah, those guys are the
[4:34] Speaker 3: real deal.
[4:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you know. I've talked about it on the
[4:39] Speaker 1: podcast before and with other marines and stuff, and sometimes
[4:44] Speaker 1: with some of the I think some of the soldiers
[4:45] Speaker 1: that have been on, and it's the mentality the Marines
[4:52] Speaker 1: are different. Only a lot of it is because it
[4:55] Speaker 1: takes a different mentality to even go and join the Marines,
[4:59] Speaker 1: because you've everyone's heard the stories, everyone's seen Full Metal Jacket.
[5:03] Speaker 1: Everybody that's thinking about joining the military, they've seen it.
[5:06] Speaker 1: They've seen the movies, they've seen, you know, And and
[5:10] Speaker 1: the Marine Corps does a very good job of being like,
[5:13] Speaker 1: we're not gonna pamper you. It's gonna suck, you know,
[5:16] Speaker 1: like the whole we don't promise you a rose garden thing.
[5:19] Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, this is not gonna be cool
[5:21] Speaker 1: for you, you know, like prepare for your beating. And
[5:24] Speaker 1: then so it takes like a different kind of person
[5:27] Speaker 1: to join. And I tell people all the time that
[5:29] Speaker 1: have talked to me about joining the military, and they've
[5:32] Speaker 1: talked about the Marines, and I'm like, man, if you
[5:34] Speaker 1: want to join the Marines, I was like, you got
[5:36] Speaker 1: to want it, Like, you don't just go and join
[5:38] Speaker 1: the Marines, because I don't think you if you go
[5:41] Speaker 1: like that, I don't know if you fully understand what
[5:44] Speaker 1: you're getting yourself into. And you got to understand like
[5:47] Speaker 1: your first probably year and a half two years is
[5:50] Speaker 1: just gonna suck because you're a junior guy. You got
[5:53] Speaker 1: boot camp, you got your training. You think, oh, I'm
[5:56] Speaker 1: done with boot camp. Life's great. Then you go to
[5:58] Speaker 1: training and they're like hey, you know, like and then
[6:01] Speaker 1: you're like, I'm done with school. I get to go
[6:03] Speaker 1: to my first union. And you get to your first union.
[6:04] Speaker 1: Some landscrples like, hey, shit, the fuck up? You know,
[6:06] Speaker 1: like it's just and that's kind of your life. Yeah,
[6:12] Speaker 1: that's kind of your life for a while. But it
[6:15] Speaker 1: turns out like a really impressive group of people that
[6:19] Speaker 1: have a good work ethic, have good teamwork together, people
[6:22] Speaker 1: that you know, uh, and you get it in the
[6:25] Speaker 1: army and everything else. It's like when you have shared misery,
[6:29] Speaker 1: you really like that trauma bond with somebody you know
[6:33] Speaker 1: and you'll do anything for him. You know. It's like
[6:35] Speaker 1: if you spend a week out in the field or
[6:36] Speaker 1: a month out in the field and half of that's raining,
[6:40] Speaker 1: you know, you leave, you leave that training event much
[6:45] Speaker 1: closer to everyone, or you fucking hate somebody and that
[6:49] Speaker 1: dude is now an outsider. You know what I'm saying.
[6:51] Speaker 1: It's like it goes one way or the other because
[6:54] Speaker 1: at the end of the day you just have you
[6:56] Speaker 1: realize you're like, well, this fucking sucks and there's literally
[6:59] Speaker 1: nothing I can you about it. And so I'm just
[7:01] Speaker 1: gonna sit here and embrace this and we have time.
[7:05] Speaker 1: What's up? Man? So where are you from again? You know, like,
[7:08] Speaker 1: what's your what's your family like? And you start harassing
[7:10] Speaker 1: each other and right.
[7:12] Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there's a there's a there's something about the
[7:15] Speaker 2: infantry in general, that lifestyle that is very unique special.
[7:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I wasn't even infantry. I
[7:26] Speaker 1: was an artillery guy, and it shocked a lot of
[7:29] Speaker 1: people when you taught. When I talked to him, I'm like, man,
[7:31] Speaker 1: we're in the field as much as, or maybe sometimes
[7:35] Speaker 1: more than the infantry's like combat arms, combat arms, for sure.
[7:39] Speaker 2: That's a that's a more accurate. Yeah, that's a more accurate.
[7:43] Speaker 1: I remember when I got to tenth Marine, So I
[7:45] Speaker 1: was a mechanic. When I first came in, I was
[7:47] Speaker 1: motor T. I lap moved, I came in open contract.
[7:50] Speaker 1: I did not want to be motor T and I
[7:53] Speaker 1: changed jobs and I went from being motor T at
[7:55] Speaker 1: a maintenance unit to being with tenth Marines and I
[7:59] Speaker 1: remember getting there and everybody's like, welcome, this is gonna suck,
[8:02] Speaker 1: and I'm like, what do you mean. They're like, we're
[8:03] Speaker 1: going to go to the field and this I'm like,
[8:05] Speaker 1: this sounds awesome, you know, like this is everything I wanted.
[8:09] Speaker 1: But I remember being at tenth Marines and we would
[8:11] Speaker 1: spend at least one week of the month in the field,
[8:15] Speaker 1: and then two months of the year we would do
[8:16] Speaker 1: a month long training exercise and then sometimes we would
[8:21] Speaker 1: also go support another unit out in twenty nine Palms
[8:24] Speaker 1: and do another one month exercise out there. And that's
[8:27] Speaker 1: that's on a non deployment cycle year, you know. I mean,
[8:31] Speaker 1: that's right there, just of the month long training cycles,
[8:35] Speaker 1: there's three months in the field. Three of your nine
[8:37] Speaker 1: months of the year are in the field. And people
[8:42] Speaker 1: you hear, you know, you talk to people about that
[8:44] Speaker 1: and they're like, wait, what Like You're like, yeah, dude,
[8:46] Speaker 1: you're gone a lot. And that's not even like special
[8:48] Speaker 1: operations or anything like that. Who goes on another tempo,
[8:52] Speaker 1: you know?
[8:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, But well, when I was in the infantry, we
[8:55] Speaker 2: spent more time in the field than when I was
[8:57] Speaker 2: in the Rangers of the Green berets. Yeah. I started
[9:01] Speaker 2: out in the infantry, just a leg infantry, just a
[9:04] Speaker 2: grunt and uh that was that was some of the
[9:07] Speaker 2: hardest stuff I ever did. You know.
[9:10] Speaker 3: We went out the what is it Hunter liggot that's
[9:13] Speaker 3: out there at twenty nine palms Man.
[9:16] Speaker 2: We had like four or five metavacs moving through those
[9:20] Speaker 2: mountainous hills at night, and and so we had all
[9:23] Speaker 2: kinds of.
[9:25] Speaker 3: Crazy stuff happened on that deployment. So, yeah, that was
[9:29] Speaker 3: a tough training area for four hundred.
[9:32] Speaker 1: Leggot is actually I think in northern California. I think it's.
[9:35] Speaker 2: Okay, that's I thought they were connected.
[9:37] Speaker 1: You're thinking of God, what is that shithole base out there?
[9:41] Speaker 1: Uh for Irwin? For Irwin is out in the desert
[9:45] Speaker 1: by Oh yeah.
[9:47] Speaker 3: No, that was Ford Irwin. I yeah, I I spent
[9:50] Speaker 3: some time that. That's where the training center is, right, yep. Yeah,
[9:55] Speaker 3: it was something different where we went. It was like grassy,
[9:59] Speaker 3: like like tall grass, real hilly and mountainous.
[10:05] Speaker 1: That sounds like four because that was yeah.
[10:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, you could chase the squirrels were so fat you
[10:11] Speaker 2: could catch them. You could like chase them down with
[10:14] Speaker 2: a stick, you know. And we were going to try
[10:18] Speaker 2: to eat some squirrels one time instead of mrs. But
[10:21] Speaker 2: we couldn't catch enough of them.
[10:24] Speaker 1: Is this this is when you were with the regular
[10:26] Speaker 1: Infantry or is this Yeah?
[10:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just just you know, I was with the
[10:30] Speaker 3: ninth Infantry Division. We were training with one hundred and
[10:32] Speaker 3: first Airborne and you know, you spend a lot of
[10:35] Speaker 3: time just sitting in a damn patrol base, you know,
[10:39] Speaker 3: during the day or night, you know, kind of fucking off,
[10:42] Speaker 3: you know, in between you know, practice missions, I guess
[10:47] Speaker 3: whatever you call it. But yeah, yeah, so we were
[10:51] Speaker 3: we just had a couple of hours where we were
[10:53] Speaker 3: chilling out and trying to catch squirrels and eating MRIs.
[10:57] Speaker 2: And just bullshitting. But yeah, I know we did one
[11:01] Speaker 2: We did one movement and I think there was three
[11:04] Speaker 2: or four guys.
[11:05] Speaker 3: I mean we moved all through the night into the
[11:08] Speaker 3: next day, and I think there were three or four.
[11:09] Speaker 2: Guys that had to be metavac from Falls. Oh wow,
[11:14] Speaker 2: of where. Yeah, that was the only time I ever
[11:16] Speaker 2: trained there. But that's what I remember most about those two.
[11:19] Speaker 1: Things from Falls.
[11:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, we were walking like on the edges of you know,
[11:26] Speaker 2: kind of mountainous edges and some guys, you know, took
[11:31] Speaker 2: some tumbles and like I don't know, broke ankles or
[11:35] Speaker 2: hurt by you know, just stuff like just weird, weird stuff.
[11:38] Speaker 1: And you'll have that in the mountains.
[11:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you don't typically have that much stuff going.
[11:47] Speaker 3: But I don't know if it was because everybody was
[11:49] Speaker 3: just so tired or just so whatever.
[11:51] Speaker 2: But I just remember there were several.
[11:53] Speaker 1: Where were you stationed out of when you guys were
[11:55] Speaker 1: going there to train.
[11:57] Speaker 3: Ninth Infantry it was Fort Lewis, so it became the
[12:00] Speaker 3: seventh Division, but when I was there, it was ninth
[12:04] Speaker 3: Infantry Division.
[12:05] Speaker 1: Fort Lewis is in Washington right right, Washington State. Well,
[12:08] Speaker 1: I was gonna say, maybe people were falling and stuff
[12:10] Speaker 1: because they weren't used to terrain, but damn then there's
[12:12] Speaker 1: plenty of terrain in Oh.
[12:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, we had South right in the air and everything else.
[12:16] Speaker 3: I think it was just one of those one of those.
[12:19] Speaker 2: Things where you know, there was just a couple of
[12:23] Speaker 2: incidents that happened.
[12:25] Speaker 3: But I do remember one guy like slipping off one
[12:28] Speaker 3: of the trails and taking a tumble.
[12:31] Speaker 2: But you know, in the regular infantry, guys try to
[12:33] Speaker 2: hurt themselves on purpose. To get out of training.
[12:35] Speaker 3: That's one thing I noticed too that happened when I
[12:38] Speaker 3: was in the regular Army versus and the Special Forces
[12:43] Speaker 3: was you know, typically the guys once they get to
[12:47] Speaker 3: that level aren't trying to get out of training. But
[12:50] Speaker 3: we had like a guy you're talking about Fort Irwin.
[12:53] Speaker 3: We had a guy took his black adapter off and
[12:55] Speaker 3: shot itself in the temple oh and try to make
[12:59] Speaker 3: it look like an accident while he was sleeping. But
[13:02] Speaker 3: then they when they you know, when they reverse engineered
[13:05] Speaker 3: the scenario, they were like, but you had your blank
[13:09] Speaker 3: adapter off, yeah, you know, so he so.
[13:12] Speaker 2: He wound up not getting sent home.
[13:17] Speaker 3: They patched him up and brought him right back out
[13:19] Speaker 3: there when he figured out.
[13:20] Speaker 1: He's lucky he didn't kill himself.
[13:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know That's what I mean is some
[13:25] Speaker 3: you know, some guys are damn you know, not not
[13:28] Speaker 3: very stable. You know, some of those temperature guys are
[13:33] Speaker 3: you know, they're uh yeah, So we had some of that.
[13:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. And for those that don't know what
[13:42] Speaker 1: that is, a blank fire adapter on the end of
[13:43] Speaker 1: the sixteen M four whatever, there's like a little block
[13:47] Speaker 1: that you screw in to the end of it, and
[13:49] Speaker 1: it basically creates enough back pressure so that the blank
[13:52] Speaker 1: round will fire into the chamber the next round because
[13:55] Speaker 1: there's not enough pressure for that to happen. Yeah, because
[13:56] Speaker 1: there's not enough powder in it. So but taking but
[13:59] Speaker 1: there is enough powder, dude, those are dangerous.
[14:02] Speaker 2: A hole. It made a hole. It looked like he'd
[14:06] Speaker 2: been shot, but it didn't penetrate his skull.
[14:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's lucky he didn't kill himself. That's crazy. I
[14:12] Speaker 1: remember there was a guy in my unit, so this
[14:16] Speaker 1: is when I was a mechanic. He got sent out
[14:18] Speaker 1: to twenty nine Palms to We used to have to
[14:20] Speaker 1: send guys out there for six month rotations to support
[14:24] Speaker 1: units coming through training and you know, fixing the vehicles
[14:27] Speaker 1: that were stock vehicles there. And I was either out
[14:32] Speaker 1: in twenty nine Palms for some training myself or I
[14:35] Speaker 1: don't remember what happened, but we get this call that
[14:38] Speaker 1: the guy that we knew had been shot in the
[14:41] Speaker 1: chest out in twenty nine Palms and we're like, holy shit,
[14:44] Speaker 1: like what happened And it ended up not being him.
[14:47] Speaker 1: It was another guy with the exact same name as him,
[14:49] Speaker 1: So the notifications got messed up. And but what happened
[14:53] Speaker 1: was is there was a group out there that were
[14:55] Speaker 1: acting as role players for guys going through training. And
[14:58] Speaker 1: there's something with the AK. There's something with the AK blanks.
[15:03] Speaker 1: It doesn't have like the BFA the blank fire adapter
[15:06] Speaker 1: like the M sixteen does or however works. It's different.
[15:09] Speaker 1: And one of the role players pointed his his AK
[15:13] Speaker 1: with blanks in it at a dude and shot him.
[15:16] Speaker 1: It's like, shot at him as a joke, and it
[15:19] Speaker 1: fucking punctured his lung. It like went through like yeah,
[15:23] Speaker 1: something happened, and it went through his lung. Like he
[15:25] Speaker 1: actually had to get They thought he was gonna die.
[15:27] Speaker 1: You got to get meta backed out of there. And yeah,
[15:31] Speaker 1: so hearing that, that's so crazy. Yeah, guys are idiots.
[15:36] Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, you know, we used to put
[15:40] Speaker 3: the cleaning rods in there with blanks and shoot them out.
[15:42] Speaker 3: I wonder if maybe they did that something like that,
[15:45] Speaker 3: you know, just we didn't shoot them at people, but
[15:48] Speaker 3: we used to.
[15:49] Speaker 2: You know, shoot him at a tree or something like that.
[15:52] Speaker 2: But you know, just why you're bored.
[15:54] Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of time when you're in
[15:57] Speaker 3: the regular infantry where you're kind of bored.
[16:01] Speaker 2: Out in the field and you find things to do.
[16:04] Speaker 2: So usually it's usually it's something stupid.
[16:07] Speaker 1: You know, young men generally eighteen to twenty two that
[16:11] Speaker 1: have all they're in the best shape of their life.
[16:14] Speaker 1: They've all been trained in some sort of deadly weapon
[16:18] Speaker 1: at any level. You know, even more so, their entry
[16:21] Speaker 1: level training is still much higher than you know, most
[16:24] Speaker 1: civilians get. And now you're putting them in a situation
[16:28] Speaker 1: where they're sitting around with nothing to do and a
[16:30] Speaker 1: bunch of stuff that could recavoc you know. I remember
[16:34] Speaker 1: I remember being out in Fort Sill for my MS
[16:37] Speaker 1: school for when I was a Ford observer. I went
[16:39] Speaker 1: out as a sergeant because I was a lap mover,
[16:41] Speaker 1: and I remember some of the guys that were going
[16:45] Speaker 1: through the basic school. There was a kid that was
[16:47] Speaker 1: like standing at parade rest outside the first startant's office,
[16:50] Speaker 1: and I was like, what did this guy fucking do?
[16:52] Speaker 1: And They're like, oh, he got caught with a pocket knife.
[16:54] Speaker 1: And I'm like, he can't have a pocket knife, Like
[16:57] Speaker 1: what do you mean And they're like, dude, we had
[17:02] Speaker 1: to take them away because there were two guys that
[17:05] Speaker 1: were standing in they got bored. They were in the
[17:07] Speaker 1: barracks and they decided to throw their knives at each
[17:10] Speaker 1: other to see who could get the closest, and obviously
[17:13] Speaker 1: what happened. One of them got stabbed, and I'm like
[17:15] Speaker 1: that serious and he's like, yeah, so we had to
[17:17] Speaker 1: take pocket knife from everybody and I'm like, yeah, yeah,
[17:20] Speaker 1: that's but that's what happens in the military. That's like
[17:23] Speaker 1: a little glimpse of the military life.
[17:25] Speaker 2: That's right, mass punishment for one dumb ass.
[17:29] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. I was like, I was kind
[17:31] Speaker 1: of like, he's getting a page eleven. You know, he's
[17:33] Speaker 1: getting an entry into his like for breaking a rule
[17:36] Speaker 1: of not having a pocket knife. I'm like, what do
[17:38] Speaker 1: you mean doesn't he get issued a k bar? Like
[17:41] Speaker 1: that's crazy. So, yeah, that's interesting, man, It's fun, like uh,
[17:45] Speaker 1: combat arms. You know, there's just a lot of shenanigans
[17:48] Speaker 1: that happen, and it's it's a really good time for
[17:50] Speaker 1: people that are in it. It's like it shared the
[17:53] Speaker 1: shared misery. You know, it's easy to look back and
[17:57] Speaker 1: remember like, oh yeah, that was awesome, that was crazy.
[17:59] Speaker 1: Then I tend to forget, like those really cold nights
[18:03] Speaker 1: where you're wrapping your legs around another dude's legs and
[18:08] Speaker 1: moments like that. Yeah, when you so you were in
[18:13] Speaker 1: the infantry for a few years, you decided to get
[18:15] Speaker 1: out and then you came back into was it the
[18:19] Speaker 1: Army National Guard first, the infantry side, or did you
[18:22] Speaker 1: go right into a special forces selection?
[18:27] Speaker 2: The it was the Guard.
[18:29] Speaker 3: So I did my three years and I didn't get
[18:32] Speaker 3: to do what I really set out to do, and
[18:35] Speaker 3: so I was a little jaded, and so when it
[18:39] Speaker 3: came time to get out, I thought, you know what,
[18:44] Speaker 3: I'm gonna like most people, you know, most people get
[18:48] Speaker 3: out after their first hitch, and I'm gonna get out
[18:52] Speaker 3: and go back home and I'm gonna do great things.
[18:55] Speaker 3: I didn't really have a plan, but you know, I
[18:56] Speaker 3: had a great attitude towards getting out and doing that.
[19:00] Speaker 3: And so I joined the National Guard in Tennessee as
[19:04] Speaker 3: an eleven Bravo as an infantryman. But my slot was
[19:08] Speaker 3: an infantryman. But it wasn't an infantry unit. So it
[19:11] Speaker 3: was a based defense liaison team, and so I was
[19:15] Speaker 3: an infantry advisor. As part of a team, there'd be
[19:18] Speaker 3: like an MP, an infantry guy, you know, and and
[19:22] Speaker 3: and a few other moss and so what we would do,
[19:26] Speaker 3: like during Desert Shield and Desert Storm, is we would
[19:31] Speaker 3: go to non combat units and bases and advise them
[19:36] Speaker 3: how to better set up their own security and things
[19:42] Speaker 3: like that, just because you know, they typically didn't have
[19:46] Speaker 3: those kind of backgrounds. But that really wasn't needed, you know,
[19:53] Speaker 3: But that's that's what I did.
[19:55] Speaker 2: I joined a Tennessee National Guard unit.
[19:58] Speaker 1: Where are you based out of in Tennessee?
[20:00] Speaker 2: Smyrna, Smyrna, Tennessee. It's just south of Nashville.
[20:04] Speaker 3: Okay, you got Nashville, Laverne, Smyrna than Murphysboro.
[20:09] Speaker 1: And I grew up in Chattanooga.
[20:11] Speaker 3: Oh so you're so you're at the other end of
[20:14] Speaker 3: I twenty four, so you're on the other side of
[20:17] Speaker 3: Monteagle Mountain.
[20:17] Speaker 2: But I used to live in Chattanooga. I love Chattanooga.
[20:20] Speaker 2: Chattanooga's probably the best city in Tennessee.
[20:22] Speaker 1: I think my dad deployed to Desert Storm from the
[20:26] Speaker 1: three seventy seventh Combat Support Hospital out of Chattanooga. Oh okay, yeah, yeah,
[20:31] Speaker 1: that was like my as a kid, I mean, that
[20:34] Speaker 1: was obviously formative for me. I remember him leaving. I
[20:37] Speaker 1: remember being a little kid and going to his going
[20:39] Speaker 1: away and then I remember him coming back and you
[20:42] Speaker 1: know it was like a big deal.
[20:43] Speaker 3: It was a big deal. The Guard hadn't been activated
[20:46] Speaker 3: like that. It was a big deal.
[20:48] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so that's really cool.
[20:50] Speaker 2: I was.
[20:51] Speaker 1: I was like, man, if he's from Chattanoga, that's gonna
[20:52] Speaker 1: be wild if you it'd be wild if you would
[20:54] Speaker 1: have known my dad, Like you guys went to Desert
[20:56] Speaker 1: Storm together or something.
[20:58] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[20:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, so but yeah, desert Storm, right, it was like
[21:03] Speaker 1: a huge build up and then like and then it's over.
[21:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, my commander killed himself. So my
[21:10] Speaker 3: my desert story. You know, everybody's got a Desert storm story.
[21:13] Speaker 3: My Desert Storm story is, you know, before the war started,
[21:17] Speaker 3: our commander committed suicide. You know, so other than that,
[21:21] Speaker 3: we didn't do anything.
[21:22] Speaker 1: You know after this, This was he knew the war
[21:26] Speaker 1: was coming up. Was it because of the war or
[21:28] Speaker 1: was it you know something else?
[21:29] Speaker 2: Well I don't, I don't.
[21:31] Speaker 3: I have a pretty good idea why he did it,
[21:34] Speaker 3: and you know, just out of respect for his family
[21:38] Speaker 3: and everything.
[21:39] Speaker 2: I probably don't want to go into it. But if
[21:42] Speaker 2: you look at the deaths that occurred, you know, he
[21:47] Speaker 2: even though he committed suicide. He's listed as one of
[21:51] Speaker 2: the you know soldiers that died during Desert Storm, Desert
[21:56] Speaker 2: Shield and Colonel Hancock, Lieutenant Colonel On Hancock or is
[22:02] Speaker 2: that right? That sounds too man, My memory is so bad,
[22:06] Speaker 2: but I think I'm pretty sure it was. I'm pretty
[22:09] Speaker 2: sure it was John Hancock, even though.
[22:13] Speaker 1: It's crazy though that he got listed. This was but
[22:16] Speaker 1: I mean, this was before the deployment. This wasn't during
[22:19] Speaker 1: the deployment, right, This.
[22:20] Speaker 2: Was during the deployment we were, This was we deployed
[22:24] Speaker 2: in September. This was October November when he killed hisself
[22:28] Speaker 2: and then you know the war kicked off. I don't
[22:31] Speaker 2: remember December or January. But yeah, he's a lieutenant colonel.
[22:37] Speaker 1: That's crazy.
[22:38] Speaker 3: So yeah, there was there was some sketchy stuff that
[22:41] Speaker 3: happened over there. Our sergeant major, right before we left
[22:44] Speaker 3: Fort Campbell to deploy over you know, told everybody that
[22:49] Speaker 3: it would be a cold day in hell before he
[22:51] Speaker 3: would do anything and anything, you know, for anybody in
[22:55] Speaker 3: this unit, because he was pissed off about.
[22:58] Speaker 2: Something that happened.
[22:59] Speaker 3: So, you know, in the National Guard, especially you know,
[23:03] Speaker 3: outside of combat arms type unit, you have a whole
[23:06] Speaker 3: different type of leadership and and you know those people
[23:10] Speaker 3: get promoted on a whole different type of scale. So
[23:15] Speaker 3: it really was the good old boy system that had
[23:18] Speaker 3: nothing to do with war fighting or.
[23:20] Speaker 2: What was best for you know, the unit.
[23:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like things started major for the motivating speech,
[23:27] Speaker 1: like hey, we're going to combat.
[23:29] Speaker 3: You know, he wound up somebody wound up shipping in
[23:33] Speaker 3: his protective mask and he founded about two weeks later
[23:37] Speaker 3: or something some you know, he carried it around for
[23:41] Speaker 3: like weeks apparently, and it had turned into you know.
[23:45] Speaker 2: Just mush.
[23:47] Speaker 3: And when they were issuing out the atropine injectors, you know, uh,
[23:54] Speaker 3: that was a big build up about you know, you know,
[23:58] Speaker 3: mop for and using your protect of mask and you know,
[24:01] Speaker 3: how to stay alive and anthrax and all that stuff.
[24:05] Speaker 3: And so when they were issuing out the answer penes
[24:09] Speaker 3: in front of everybody, that's when he opened it. Took
[24:11] Speaker 3: his mask out and opened it up and discovered that
[24:13] Speaker 3: his mask was full of shit. But you know, most
[24:16] Speaker 3: people hated him, and uh that's why you know that
[24:20] Speaker 3: that that type of leader, those are the kind of
[24:23] Speaker 3: guys during Vietnam or even during g Watt that probably
[24:26] Speaker 3: got killed by their own people that you know, it's.
[24:29] Speaker 2: Not a it's not popular to talk about, but it happens,
[24:32] Speaker 2: you know.
[24:33] Speaker 1: I don't know, I never really heard about that. I'm
[24:35] Speaker 1: sure maybe it happened and during the Global War on Terror.
[24:39] Speaker 2: But I think, well, you got Joe Price, you know,
[24:42] Speaker 2: you got you got it.
[24:43] Speaker 3: You got a couple people in the special operations community
[24:48] Speaker 3: that mysteriously have died, you know, And I think Joe
[24:52] Speaker 3: Price is a good example of that.
[24:56] Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know who that is.
[24:58] Speaker 3: That was Seal Team four or to commander who was
[25:04] Speaker 3: prepared to disclose some war crimes when he returned back
[25:09] Speaker 3: to the States, and just days before him.
[25:13] Speaker 2: Returning, he supposedly killed hisself, but none of the evidence
[25:17] Speaker 2: matches up with a suicide. And you know, that's been
[25:21] Speaker 2: an ongoing thing for several years. But the Naval Special
[25:25] Speaker 2: Warfare seems to have a real stronghold on keeping those
[25:30] Speaker 2: kind of things not so public.
[25:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, I guess that's not really a surprise. Huh.
[25:39] Speaker 1: You know what was crazy is when before I deployed,
[25:43] Speaker 1: I used to like, you know, I'd be on base
[25:44] Speaker 1: and I'd pick up like the marine Corps times, and
[25:47] Speaker 1: every week it would give like an update of like
[25:49] Speaker 1: major units where they were located, you know, and and
[25:52] Speaker 1: then it would give you like the casualties that week
[25:56] Speaker 1: that were released that week from Iraq and Afghanistan. And
[26:01] Speaker 1: I remember seeing all the time a lot of like
[26:05] Speaker 1: non combat death, non combat death, and in my mind,
[26:09] Speaker 1: prior to deploying, I was like, oh, man, like recta
[26:12] Speaker 1: hum v or fucking got smashed by a piece of
[26:15] Speaker 1: equipment or something like that. And then I got in
[26:18] Speaker 1: country and I realized that not all of them, but
[26:21] Speaker 1: a lot of those are suicides, and I was like,
[26:24] Speaker 1: I was like, damn, dude, people are like just often.
[26:27] Speaker 1: Then I mean again, I knew there was some There
[26:29] Speaker 1: were some other deaths that happened, Like a guy got
[26:31] Speaker 1: ran over by a fucking LVS because his driver fell
[26:34] Speaker 1: A guy was ground guiding an LVS which is a
[26:37] Speaker 1: big ass like kind of semi truck for those that
[26:39] Speaker 1: don't know, and he was ground guiding a guy and
[26:42] Speaker 1: the dude driving fell asleep and ran him over. And
[26:46] Speaker 1: this was like like a week before they were getting
[26:48] Speaker 1: ready to go home. Shit like that. So that does happen,
[26:52] Speaker 1: But man, I couldn't believe the amount of like suicides
[26:55] Speaker 1: that were happening, and you don't even realize it here
[26:58] Speaker 1: back in the States because it's listed as just a
[27:00] Speaker 1: non combat death.
[27:01] Speaker 3: Yeah, and people don't really talk about it outside of
[27:03] Speaker 3: that immediate unit.
[27:06] Speaker 1: Another thing that happened that was crazy because you talked about,
[27:09] Speaker 1: you know, a lieutenant colonel killing themselves. You know, people
[27:12] Speaker 1: start getting to a certain rank or whatever, and you're like,
[27:14] Speaker 1: what they did?
[27:15] Speaker 2: What?
[27:15] Speaker 1: You know, I can't believe they would do that. And
[27:18] Speaker 1: I remember being in Iraq and we got there was
[27:21] Speaker 1: like a thing that went around about how they had
[27:23] Speaker 1: to like keep track of the amount of duster if
[27:27] Speaker 1: you had duster in your office to like blow dust
[27:29] Speaker 1: off your laptop or your computer or whatever. Because there
[27:32] Speaker 1: was an Army colonel that died from huffing it in country.
[27:37] Speaker 1: And I was like a colonel, a full bird colonel.
[27:39] Speaker 1: I was like what, Yeah, Like, what's a full bird
[27:43] Speaker 1: colonel doing duster? Like huffing duster? You never imagine something
[27:47] Speaker 1: like that, you know.
[27:48] Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you hold them to a higher standard once
[27:52] Speaker 3: once an officer, you know, gets to like a captain
[27:56] Speaker 3: or a major level.
[27:57] Speaker 2: You know, you as.
[27:59] Speaker 3: An unlisted whole them to a higher expectation, and you should.
[28:04] Speaker 3: You know, they get a lot of privilege, you know,
[28:06] Speaker 3: being an officer, you get a lot of privilege you
[28:09] Speaker 3: and your family over an enlisted man through the course
[28:13] Speaker 3: of a career, and so you should be held to
[28:15] Speaker 3: a higher standard. And that's what I think so disappointed about,
[28:19] Speaker 3: you know, things in recent years, is it seems like
[28:23] Speaker 3: the officers are worse than the enlisted when it comes
[28:27] Speaker 3: to you know, corruption or or maybe not doing the
[28:31] Speaker 3: right thing.
[28:32] Speaker 1: You know, when when I really think, I think that
[28:35] Speaker 1: we need to One thing that we need to stop
[28:38] Speaker 1: doing is the military should not be allowed to be like, hey, this, uh,
[28:43] Speaker 1: this admiral was fired for a loss and confidence in
[28:45] Speaker 1: their ability to lead. No, what the fuck did they do? Like,
[28:48] Speaker 1: tell me what they like? Bullshit and quit with that
[28:50] Speaker 1: bullshit line. What did they do?
[28:53] Speaker 2: Like?
[28:53] Speaker 1: It's if they're an admiral or a colonel or Navy
[28:57] Speaker 1: captain or something like that and they did something bad
[29:00] Speaker 1: enough that they're getting relieved from their command, then we
[29:03] Speaker 1: need to know what that was. They should be able
[29:05] Speaker 1: to hide behind a blank pr statement that says that
[29:10] Speaker 1: you know, if if a if a staff sergeant does
[29:14] Speaker 1: something fucked up, and especially if you go to the
[29:16] Speaker 1: point of getting like court martialed or something like that. Oh,
[29:19] Speaker 1: that's public record, you know that gets.
[29:21] Speaker 2: It'll, it'll be on it'll be on national news.
[29:25] Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I the whole lack of loss of
[29:28] Speaker 1: confidence whatever, I that is such a bullshit statement. They
[29:32] Speaker 1: need us. That's one way they need to start telling
[29:35] Speaker 1: us why, because it's bullshit. It's bullshit that you can
[29:38] Speaker 1: just let them get away with that, because then they
[29:40] Speaker 1: transfer them to some other unit where they're not in
[29:42] Speaker 1: a command, but they're still doing some administrative task. You know,
[29:45] Speaker 1: they're working at the Pentagon underneath the colonel or underneath
[29:48] Speaker 1: the an admiral, and but it's like they did something
[29:52] Speaker 1: so bad that you took away their command, but you're
[29:55] Speaker 1: also letting them stay in you know what I'm saying, Like,
[29:59] Speaker 1: I don't know about that.
[30:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[30:00] Speaker 1: And so if an enlisted guy does something, I mean,
[30:05] Speaker 1: there was a point where if you got a DUY
[30:09] Speaker 1: or you got an MJP for like underage drinking, that
[30:12] Speaker 1: was the end of your career. You were not going
[30:14] Speaker 1: to be able to re enlist. And it was just
[30:15] Speaker 1: like that's it. So whatever these officers are doing that's
[30:19] Speaker 1: making them lose their command has got to be worse
[30:21] Speaker 1: than a duy or underage drinking, and we should know
[30:24] Speaker 1: about it, and they shouldn't just be placed over somewhere
[30:27] Speaker 1: else to you know, carry on until they retire or whatever. Yeah,
[30:32] Speaker 1: that's just mine.
[30:33] Speaker 3: It seems like culturally, seems like culturally in the last
[30:36] Speaker 3: fifteen or twenty years or so, that there's been a
[30:40] Speaker 3: lot more of that. You know, it used to be
[30:43] Speaker 3: kind of being held responsible and accountable. You know, that
[30:50] Speaker 3: was drilled in me growing up, and the mentors that
[30:55] Speaker 3: I had, it was like, you know, being held responsible
[30:58] Speaker 3: and accountable for your actions was was a big deal.
[31:02] Speaker 3: And it's like that just doesn't seem to be a
[31:04] Speaker 3: big deal anymore.
[31:06] Speaker 1: I think, well, I think I think they do hold
[31:08] Speaker 1: home responsible and accountable for stuff. And I have seen officers.
[31:11] Speaker 1: I remember a lieutenant. I think he was a lieutenant.
[31:14] Speaker 1: He might have been a captain if he's either a
[31:16] Speaker 1: senior lieutenant or like a junior captain, and with the
[31:20] Speaker 1: recon guys, and he ended up getting pulled off the
[31:24] Speaker 1: deployment and sent home because he got caught banging some
[31:27] Speaker 1: other chick, like a navy chick on ship that was
[31:30] Speaker 1: married or something like that, and but no one else
[31:33] Speaker 1: knew that. That was all very much like oh he's
[31:35] Speaker 1: gone now, so and So's gone. Now, had you know,
[31:38] Speaker 1: Sergeant so and so done something like that, his name
[31:41] Speaker 1: would maybe not his name, but the situation would be
[31:44] Speaker 1: coming up in like safety briefs, you know, like rather
[31:46] Speaker 1: around for the weekend, don't do what idiot over here did,
[31:49] Speaker 1: blah blah blah. You know what I'm saying. Whereas officers
[31:52] Speaker 1: are given the you know, kind of scapegoat, it's embarrassing
[31:55] Speaker 1: enough that they're losing their Yeah, but I don't know.
[31:59] Speaker 1: I just I don't know. Maybe I don't You're right
[32:03] Speaker 1: what you said. And that's one I kind of always
[32:05] Speaker 1: had a chip on my shoulder, especially as I got
[32:09] Speaker 1: older in the military and I was like a staff
[32:11] Speaker 1: sergeant when I got to like being a staff sergeant,
[32:14] Speaker 1: and I'd have like a junior officer trying to tell
[32:16] Speaker 1: me something about something. They have no idea what they're
[32:18] Speaker 1: talking about. I just it was so frustrating for me
[32:22] Speaker 1: because I'd be like, dude, like, I get it, you're
[32:24] Speaker 1: in charge, and but I'm telling you from experience, don't
[32:29] Speaker 1: do that, you know, like and it's just so frustrating.
[32:33] Speaker 1: And that's why I that was one of the reason
[32:34] Speaker 1: why I was like glad to get out, because I
[32:36] Speaker 1: was like, I'm tired of people that have less experience
[32:38] Speaker 1: than me being in charge of me.
[32:39] Speaker 2: So it sounds like you outgrew the military. That's what
[32:44] Speaker 2: I call it. I kind of had that same experience.
[32:48] Speaker 2: It's like you kind of grow and mature and you know,
[32:53] Speaker 2: you're not so naive and you kind of outgrow the
[32:58] Speaker 2: military unless you're at the right place, you know, yeah,
[33:01] Speaker 2: you can outgrow it.
[33:03] Speaker 1: Well, for me, it was like, why am I giving
[33:06] Speaker 1: my all to this and you guys aren't giving me
[33:09] Speaker 1: anything back? You know. It kind of became like the
[33:13] Speaker 1: realization that you are just another cog in the wheel
[33:16] Speaker 1: and no one really cares. Like I was a jaytach
[33:18] Speaker 1: and I was a jay tack during a time when
[33:21] Speaker 1: the deployments were out of control. I was on the
[33:24] Speaker 1: a little bit after the first group of guys got
[33:27] Speaker 1: worked way more and did way more stuff than I
[33:29] Speaker 1: ever did. And then but that job made you like
[33:32] Speaker 1: very busy in the field in training, you know, in
[33:36] Speaker 1: demand for a lot of different things. And I remember
[33:40] Speaker 1: they were going to send me on my last deployment
[33:41] Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, I do not want to
[33:43] Speaker 1: go back on ship again. And they're like, sorry, man,
[33:45] Speaker 1: you're you're deploying on ship. And I was like, if
[33:46] Speaker 1: you guys send me on this, I'm getting out. And
[33:49] Speaker 1: they ended up sending me and I was like all right, well.
[33:52] Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I like being a
[33:53] Speaker 1: jaytach and in the Marine Corps. The best way to
[33:55] Speaker 1: stay in that job is to become a WTI and
[33:58] Speaker 1: which is a weapons and Tactics instructor and that's the
[34:00] Speaker 1: highest level. At the point, I was a j tach
[34:02] Speaker 1: evaluator and I remember getting over to the mew and
[34:05] Speaker 1: I saw the air officer and he was like, you know,
[34:08] Speaker 1: we introduced ourselves to each other and I was like, hey, sir,
[34:11] Speaker 1: do you guys have a seat for WTI? And he
[34:13] Speaker 1: was just like, oh, I don't know. And now I
[34:16] Speaker 1: was like you do. You know, I've been tracking it.
[34:18] Speaker 1: I'm like you do. And I was like why would
[34:19] Speaker 1: you want to go and I'm like, yeah, that's like
[34:21] Speaker 1: the next step. I'm a j tech evaluator, you know.
[34:24] Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, that's an officer's course and When
[34:27] Speaker 1: he said that to me, Dude, I fucking just like
[34:30] Speaker 1: switched off and I was like, no, it's not I know,
[34:33] Speaker 1: multiple people like you obviously don't understand. And they ended
[34:37] Speaker 1: up not sending anybody rather than send me and I
[34:42] Speaker 1: after that, I was like, that's it. I'm done, you know,
[34:45] Speaker 1: like I'm not going to be this guy's on just
[34:48] Speaker 1: like casual observation of the situation, like, na, no, that's
[34:54] Speaker 1: not a course for you. That like changed the you know.
[34:57] Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you're affecting my actual career and like
[35:00] Speaker 1: you know, and you're just like, eh, whatever. And after that,
[35:04] Speaker 1: I was like, all right, whatever, man, and I just
[35:06] Speaker 1: started college classes.
[35:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, egos. Egos can get in the way. So they
[35:11] Speaker 2: wasted a slot that they could have improved their unit
[35:16] Speaker 2: by having a member go and get this training, and
[35:19] Speaker 2: they burned it and just wasted it.
[35:22] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[35:22] Speaker 2: Almost, you know, when I hear you say it, it
[35:26] Speaker 2: seemed like almost despite you. You know, it's like because
[35:29] Speaker 2: I've been in that situation too, and it's like it's
[35:32] Speaker 2: almost like somebody doesn't want you to get something that's
[35:36] Speaker 2: going to help your career.
[35:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, we just didn't know each other. I think he
[35:40] Speaker 1: was just like he just had a misunderstanding of what
[35:43] Speaker 1: it was. And honestly, the guy is a good dude.
[35:47] Speaker 1: And I remember telling the assistant air officer I used
[35:50] Speaker 1: to work with him all the time, hippie, and I
[35:52] Speaker 1: had a conversation with him in like three quarters of
[35:54] Speaker 1: the way through our deployment. I told him that story.
[35:56] Speaker 1: I go, yeah, you know when I really decided I
[35:59] Speaker 1: was getting out, and I told him that, and he goes, dude,
[36:01] Speaker 1: he would feel like such an asshole if he knew that,
[36:04] Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I was like, you know,
[36:07] Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but I feel like a fucking asshole
[36:09] Speaker 1: for you know, not being able to It's like, I
[36:12] Speaker 1: ask one thing, dude. You know, I've been going on deployments,
[36:14] Speaker 1: I've been in the field, I've been doing everything, Like
[36:16] Speaker 1: I'm asking for one thing, and you guys can't give
[36:18] Speaker 1: that to me. Like all right, I don't need this anymore.
[36:21] Speaker 1: I'll go do my own thing.
[36:22] Speaker 2: Sure.
[36:24] Speaker 1: So you I mean, you are. I feel like you're
[36:27] Speaker 1: not in much of a different situation because you moved
[36:30] Speaker 1: all over the place. You know, you went from the
[36:32] Speaker 1: Infantry to the National Guard, you went to the twentieths.
[36:35] Speaker 1: You know, Special Forces Group. When you went there, you
[36:39] Speaker 1: weren't there for very long though, right with twentieth.
[36:42] Speaker 4: Yeah, So so a lot of my military career was,
[36:48] Speaker 4: you know, kind of figuring things out as I go, and.
[36:54] Speaker 3: You know, so it is a lot of back and forth.
[36:59] Speaker 3: But if you really think about it, I got out,
[37:02] Speaker 3: joined the.
[37:03] Speaker 2: Guard, was gonna get married, was going to find a
[37:07] Speaker 2: good job. I got activated for Desert Storm, so you know,
[37:12] Speaker 2: it's not like I signed up for it on purpose. So,
[37:18] Speaker 2: you know, going back on active duty.
[37:20] Speaker 3: For Desert Storm for eight months. When I got home
[37:25] Speaker 3: that time, I said to myself, literally on the plane
[37:31] Speaker 3: ride home, I will never drill with this Guard unit again.
[37:38] Speaker 3: And since I've got a couple of years left on
[37:40] Speaker 3: my contract, I'm going to join a Guard unit that
[37:43] Speaker 3: if I go to war with, they're gonna be warfighters.
[37:48] Speaker 3: They're gonna have the same mindset I do. I'm not
[37:50] Speaker 3: gonna go to war with a unit, you know, a
[37:54] Speaker 3: soft unit where you know, your commander kills himself and
[37:57] Speaker 3: your sergeant major announces that he ain't gon do shit
[38:00] Speaker 3: for you, and he didn't, you know, for eight months,
[38:03] Speaker 3: and so you know, I didn't want anything to do
[38:07] Speaker 3: with that type of military experience again. And so that's
[38:13] Speaker 3: when I joined the twentieth Group. And by joining the
[38:15] Speaker 3: twentieth Group and by making it through selection, I was like,
[38:20] Speaker 3: I'm married, I got a young daughter, I don't have
[38:25] Speaker 3: a really good job. I spent more time in the
[38:29] Speaker 3: military lately than not.
[38:31] Speaker 2: Maybe I should just go back in.
[38:33] Speaker 3: And the first time I went in, I went to
[38:37] Speaker 3: Ranger School in nineteen eighty seven and graduated, but I
[38:40] Speaker 3: wanted to go to Ranger Battalion and I kind of
[38:42] Speaker 3: got screwed getting the infantry and getting Fort Lewis but
[38:46] Speaker 3: not getting.
[38:47] Speaker 2: Ranger Battalion, and so that always bothered me.
[38:51] Speaker 3: And so when I decided I was going back in,
[38:55] Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going I'm going to Ranger Battalion.
[38:58] Speaker 3: If I go back in, I'm going to Ranger and
[39:00] Speaker 3: I'm going to do that before I go on and
[39:04] Speaker 3: do this SF thing that I've started.
[39:06] Speaker 2: And so that's what I did. I went back in.
[39:10] Speaker 3: You know, when I got out from a desert storm,
[39:13] Speaker 3: I was at E six. A few years later, when
[39:16] Speaker 3: I went back active duty to go to Ranger Brittaining,
[39:19] Speaker 3: I couldn't go back as at E five.
[39:20] Speaker 2: I had to go back as an E.
[39:22] Speaker 3: Four, and I understood that, you know, I couldn't just
[39:25] Speaker 3: go there in a leadership position, and so I took
[39:30] Speaker 3: the reduction down to E four, went to RIP which
[39:34] Speaker 3: is now called RASP, and finished as a class leader,
[39:39] Speaker 3: and went to First BAT and I became a team
[39:42] Speaker 3: leader and spent a little time there and got a
[39:45] Speaker 3: good taste of it and decided I'm going to go
[39:47] Speaker 3: ahead and finish this Special Forces thing.
[39:51] Speaker 2: I started and went to the eighteen delta course.
[39:54] Speaker 1: So you you went to selection, but then you ended
[39:58] Speaker 1: up going Rangers. And then, I mean, what did you
[40:01] Speaker 1: find to be more difficult selection? At the time ans
[40:05] Speaker 1: are going through the Ranger program.
[40:10] Speaker 3: So going through SFAs and going through RIP or the
[40:16] Speaker 3: Ranger Assessment or Indoctrination program, whichever period you want to
[40:21] Speaker 3: call it from SFAs was definitely harder physically, Yeah, definitely.
[40:28] Speaker 3: But if you back up to nineteen eighty seven when
[40:32] Speaker 3: I was twenty years old and I went to Ranger School,
[40:35] Speaker 3: Ranger School.
[40:35] Speaker 2: Was harder than both of them. Really, it's not now,
[40:39] Speaker 2: It's clearly not now.
[40:41] Speaker 1: But Ranger school, why do you say clearly, why do
[40:45] Speaker 1: you say clearly it's not now?
[40:48] Speaker 3: Well, there wasn't women that could graduate Ranger School when
[40:51] Speaker 3: I went. So whatever they've done to Ranger School, you know,
[40:56] Speaker 3: I barely made it.
[40:58] Speaker 2: I mean I barely made it through there.
[41:00] Speaker 1: And did you make it in one go or did
[41:02] Speaker 1: you get recycled? Yeah?
[41:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So it was that hard.
[41:07] Speaker 3: So when I look at everything I did, you know,
[41:11] Speaker 3: to me that was mentally, not physically, but to me, mentally,
[41:17] Speaker 3: that was the hardest thing.
[41:18] Speaker 2: And it could have been because of my age. You know,
[41:20] Speaker 2: your frontal lobe as a man doesn't fully develop until
[41:24] Speaker 2: you're about twenty five or twenty six, So it could
[41:26] Speaker 2: have been the age thing, because when I did those
[41:29] Speaker 2: other things later, I was older, more mature, and things
[41:34] Speaker 2: made sense. But yeah, if I had to say, the
[41:37] Speaker 2: hardest thing I ever did was was Ranger School.
[41:41] Speaker 1: And yeah, wow, I wasn't expecting that, I guess, but
[41:46] Speaker 1: I guess. I mean it's three months. Everybody I've talked
[41:48] Speaker 1: to you that's done. It is, like, dude, it's it's rough,
[41:50] Speaker 1: and it's very It's not rare, but it's it's pretty
[41:54] Speaker 1: common for people to get recycled and not make it
[41:56] Speaker 1: through the whole thing.
[41:57] Speaker 2: And one yeah, yeah, well I wasn't smart. You know,
[42:00] Speaker 2: I didn't hydrate. I'd dipped Copenhagen. You know, I'd get
[42:04] Speaker 2: five MRIs for three days and I'd eat them all.
[42:06] Speaker 3: In the first twenty four hours and go, you know,
[42:09] Speaker 3: every three days, I'd go two days without eating. You know,
[42:11] Speaker 3: I wasn't very disciplined or mature about that. Ranger schools
[42:17] Speaker 3: what kind of woke me up to be a better leader,
[42:20] Speaker 3: to unfuck myself, if you will.
[42:23] Speaker 2: So it was there was a lot that went into that.
[42:27] Speaker 3: And if you look at my background and growing up,
[42:31] Speaker 3: you know, not getting your basic needs met as a kid,
[42:37] Speaker 3: going hungry for days, as a kid going to a
[42:40] Speaker 3: place where they're doing it to you on purpose, you know,
[42:43] Speaker 3: So there was a lot I think that made it
[42:45] Speaker 3: mentally tough for me that maybe for other people it
[42:49] Speaker 3: wasn't as big of a deal.
[42:50] Speaker 2: But you know, when I went.
[42:51] Speaker 3: To selection for the Green Braids, you know, I was
[42:55] Speaker 3: mentally and physically prepared, and you know, I felt like
[42:58] Speaker 3: I kind of smoked it. My feet got messed up,
[43:01] Speaker 3: but and it was really hard. There were days I
[43:04] Speaker 3: thought my spine was gonna snap, you know. There I
[43:06] Speaker 3: had never had my rucksack make the noises, it would
[43:10] Speaker 3: make under so much weight, you know. During team week,
[43:14] Speaker 3: you know, there were times I thought.
[43:16] Speaker 2: Uh, my spine was gonna snap, but then I thought, well,
[43:19] Speaker 2: you know, what are you going to do? Like if
[43:22] Speaker 2: it snaps, it snaps, Like everybody else is doing it,
[43:25] Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, but yeah, they're they're so I'm
[43:28] Speaker 2: not saying that all that stuff was easier in the
[43:31] Speaker 2: Ranger School. Physically, s FAS physically was the hardest thing
[43:38] Speaker 2: I've ever done. Team Week physically was that was the
[43:42] Speaker 2: hardest thing I've ever done. But I was ready for it.
[43:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I like that mentality. It's like what else
[43:47] Speaker 1: are you gonna do? And and I always tell people
[43:51] Speaker 1: that too. I'm like, you know, kind of even all
[43:54] Speaker 1: the way from when I decided to join the Marine Corps,
[43:56] Speaker 1: people were like, you want to join the Marines, Like
[43:58] Speaker 1: you know why you want to do that? You know,
[43:59] Speaker 1: are worried, and I'm like, you know, millions of people
[44:02] Speaker 1: have done it, so and I feel like I'm just
[44:05] Speaker 1: as good as them, you know, Like I feel like
[44:07] Speaker 1: I can do it. So the odds of me not
[44:09] Speaker 1: making it are much lower than me making it. And
[44:12] Speaker 1: and that's kind of I always I try to like
[44:14] Speaker 1: put that out there, like someone is doing that job
[44:17] Speaker 1: that you want to do, you know, and they're just
[44:19] Speaker 1: a regular person. They just decided to go do it.
[44:21] Speaker 1: You have to have make that mental like I can
[44:24] Speaker 1: do that. You know, there's no why you know, why
[44:26] Speaker 1: talk yourself. That's like the first step in selection, right,
[44:30] Speaker 1: the self selection, Like I don't even want to deal
[44:32] Speaker 1: with that, you know, like, uh, that's not for me.
[44:36] Speaker 2: Well that's why. That's why, you know, like I'm not
[44:39] Speaker 2: sure exactly how they do.
[44:40] Speaker 3: You know, it's been a while since I was in,
[44:42] Speaker 3: but you know, when you first showed up for like SFAs,
[44:47] Speaker 3: the first few days is just like testing, like written test,
[44:52] Speaker 3: and you know, just piled in. You know, there's just
[44:56] Speaker 3: no room for anybody, you know, and so it's all
[44:58] Speaker 3: by design, like you've got all these type A personalities
[45:03] Speaker 3: sitting around waiting for this thing to start, and guys
[45:10] Speaker 3: are just in their head, you know. And so the
[45:14] Speaker 3: first day that training started, so you're there for like
[45:17] Speaker 3: twenty five days, but only like twenty days is actual
[45:20] Speaker 3: selection or twenty one days or something like that. So
[45:23] Speaker 3: those first three or four days is just kind of
[45:25] Speaker 3: admin and then you go into it well, there are
[45:29] Speaker 3: people wanting to quit before we even started the actual
[45:35] Speaker 3: selection part. And I couldn't understand that. You know, I'm
[45:38] Speaker 3: five foot six with my boots on, weigh one hundred
[45:42] Speaker 3: and sixty pounds with my clothes on, and I'm walking
[45:46] Speaker 3: around seeing these guys, you know, in the open bay
[45:50] Speaker 3: bathrooms and everything, walking around in their towels and stuff
[45:53] Speaker 3: that look like Greek gods. And I'm sitting there going,
[45:56] Speaker 3: holy shit, man, you know, I hope I'm in the
[45:58] Speaker 3: right place, you know, I'm there's not a lot of
[46:02] Speaker 3: people like me here. And I can remember thinking that.
[46:06] Speaker 3: But then when we got ready to start and we
[46:09] Speaker 3: had our first formation, they announced that, you know, from
[46:13] Speaker 3: this point on, if you want to quit, you can quit,
[46:15] Speaker 3: because they wouldn't let people quit during that admin part.
[46:19] Speaker 3: And so when we got back from that day in
[46:21] Speaker 3: a ration, there were people lined up around the Cadre
[46:24] Speaker 3: building to quit. And that's when I was like, and
[46:27] Speaker 3: I saw that one guy. There was one guy he
[46:29] Speaker 3: looked like four like, I mean, I just you know
[46:33] Speaker 3: the way he looked, and that guy was in that line,
[46:36] Speaker 3: and I've never forgot that that how wrong I was
[46:40] Speaker 3: for thinking that I.
[46:42] Speaker 2: Wasn't in the right place, you know, by just an image.
[46:46] Speaker 3: So that image of an operator or that big old
[46:50] Speaker 3: steroid tattooed kitted out. God, it's like, you know, that's
[46:55] Speaker 3: that's just looking like a warrior. You know, that really
[46:59] Speaker 3: has nothing to do with being a warrior. You know
[47:01] Speaker 3: a lot of guys that are skinny and small and whatever,
[47:05] Speaker 3: you know, do great things right alongside those guys. So
[47:09] Speaker 3: that I learned that definitively at that point that has
[47:15] Speaker 3: nothing to do with my size or anything else.
[47:17] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, people gotta people gotta believe in themselves a
[47:20] Speaker 1: little more, you know what I'm saying. That's something I
[47:22] Speaker 1: try to like push more positivity, Like believe in yourself
[47:25] Speaker 1: you can do this. You know, be realistic. I'm never
[47:28] Speaker 1: gonna be a world record holder, you know, one hundred
[47:30] Speaker 1: meter sprinter, This is not gonna happen. But you know,
[47:33] Speaker 1: some things are within my power and some things are possible,
[47:36] Speaker 1: and a lot of it comes down to, you know,
[47:40] Speaker 1: making decisions and understanding when opportunity presents itself and taking
[47:45] Speaker 1: advantage of it and not not hesitating. And part of
[47:49] Speaker 1: that is the belief in yourself that if that opportunity
[47:52] Speaker 1: presents itself that you can do it. You know, whatever
[47:54] Speaker 1: it is that you can, you can do it. So yeah,
[47:58] Speaker 1: when you special Force is after you get well, let's
[48:02] Speaker 1: let's move up to Ranger Battalion. When you get to
[48:04] Speaker 1: Ranger Battalion, you know, the ranger job is to seize
[48:08] Speaker 1: and hold airfields and that kind of deal. G Watt
[48:11] Speaker 1: turned into a lot of direct action and stuff for
[48:14] Speaker 1: him as well. What was the training like at that time,
[48:18] Speaker 1: because this was still this was early nineties or late
[48:20] Speaker 1: eighties on the when you were at first Ranger, this was.
[48:22] Speaker 2: This was mid to late nineties.
[48:24] Speaker 3: No, the Ranger Battalion was doing direct action training, they
[48:29] Speaker 3: just weren't getting the missions because when you know, before
[48:34] Speaker 3: the wartime, when those missions came up, it was all
[48:37] Speaker 3: Tier one units and Ranger Battalion didn't have a Tier
[48:40] Speaker 3: one unit at that time.
[48:42] Speaker 2: So when we would do.
[48:44] Speaker 3: Blocking positions for Delta, so live missions during that time
[48:52] Speaker 3: would be blocking positions, but your training cycle would be
[48:55] Speaker 3: airfield seizures, rotor wing bylats with you know, with raids
[49:00] Speaker 3: and ambushes and uh, you know, very dynamic training scenarios.
[49:07] Speaker 3: It just wasn't that the Ranger battalions were getting the
[49:11] Speaker 3: missions themselves to do those things, but that training was
[49:14] Speaker 3: still there. So when g Watt started, and and people
[49:20] Speaker 3: and I don't want to speak to this directly, just
[49:23] Speaker 3: from from.
[49:24] Speaker 2: Talking to people in both of those communities.
[49:27] Speaker 3: Basically, just like I had lunch with Mould squad leader
[49:31] Speaker 3: who was a Sergeant major in Delta Force after left
[49:34] Speaker 3: Range of battanining.
[49:34] Speaker 2: We just had lunch the other day. You know.
[49:37] Speaker 3: They they couldn't keep up with the work demand. You know,
[49:43] Speaker 3: there wasn't enough Delta operators to do all the work.
[49:48] Speaker 3: And that led to a lot of things opening up
[49:51] Speaker 3: for Ranger Battalion to start doing. And I think the
[49:55] Speaker 3: Seals wound up benefiting from that as well. You know
[49:59] Speaker 3: Seals definitely, you know, prior to g Watt, we're not
[50:02] Speaker 3: the guys you called to, you know, do direct direct action.
[50:07] Speaker 3: But then you know, you see they start doing reconnissions,
[50:10] Speaker 3: direct act things that were kind.
[50:12] Speaker 2: Of outside of their wheelhouse that we know about now.
[50:18] Speaker 3: So yeah, but you know, Rage Battalion now does have
[50:22] Speaker 3: that you know Tier one element.
[50:26] Speaker 2: Where there, Yeah.
[50:29] Speaker 1: They have the Range of Reconnaissance Company now, right, and then.
[50:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, well they've got they've got some other things.
[50:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, people aren't even you know, they've done a good
[50:40] Speaker 3: job of keeping it, and so I'm not gonna.
[50:42] Speaker 2: I'm not gonna.
[50:43] Speaker 3: They've done a good job of keeping thinking.
[50:49] Speaker 1: Think of the likes and clicks we could get if
[50:50] Speaker 1: we you and I together.
[50:52] Speaker 3: You know, I got some other stuff I'll share that
[50:55] Speaker 3: won't get me in hot water. I don't want to
[50:57] Speaker 3: get hot water with the Rager Battalions, Regiment or the
[51:01] Speaker 3: Green Bright community, but just about anything else I'll speak.
[51:04] Speaker 1: To the UH. The description of like the Rangers getting
[51:09] Speaker 1: all this training but not getting the mission is kind
[51:11] Speaker 1: of what I don't know what it is now, but
[51:14] Speaker 1: when I was in, like the recon guys would get
[51:18] Speaker 1: in the Marines because.
[51:19] Speaker 2: They're not.
[51:20] Speaker 1: These guys are some of the best shooters best I
[51:24] Speaker 1: mean all around. The recon guys are top guys, and
[51:29] Speaker 1: especially if they're on a deployment cycle and they're in
[51:33] Speaker 1: the Force Recon Company. I you know, those guys are
[51:36] Speaker 1: shooting tons, tons and tons, are jumping, they're doing all
[51:40] Speaker 1: these things. And the problem is is that their marine
[51:44] Speaker 1: asset they're underneath one meth and no one gets to
[51:47] Speaker 1: use them, and no one knows about them. And we
[51:50] Speaker 1: were I remember we were on ship and these guys
[51:53] Speaker 1: are there for kind of whatever, and one of their
[51:56] Speaker 1: main things are there to do is VBSS to visit
[51:59] Speaker 1: board search and seizure of other vessels. And there was
[52:05] Speaker 1: one VBSS mission on that deployment and the fucking Navy
[52:10] Speaker 1: commodore like overrode everyone, I guess, and had his Navy
[52:15] Speaker 1: team do it. And I was like, damn, dude, you
[52:17] Speaker 1: guys did all this go platte training and all these like,
[52:21] Speaker 1: you know, the VBSS missions and stuff training up to
[52:24] Speaker 1: the deployment. When it comes down to it, you don't
[52:26] Speaker 1: even get to go do the actual mission. I'm like,
[52:28] Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's so. I felt so bad those and
[52:32] Speaker 1: that's why you always one of the funny things you
[52:35] Speaker 1: hear about is uh one of the jokes I've heard
[52:38] Speaker 1: from people that are in Special Forces. They're like, what's
[52:40] Speaker 1: the hardest part about Special Forces? They're like, your first
[52:43] Speaker 1: contract in the Marine Corps first, you know, like doing
[52:44] Speaker 1: their contract in the Marine Corps first, Because there's so
[52:46] Speaker 1: many guys that come over and join the Marines and
[52:50] Speaker 1: they get to do all this cool training, but they
[52:51] Speaker 1: don't get pulled into the big game and they're like,
[52:54] Speaker 1: fuck this, I'm gonna go over to Special Forces and
[52:55] Speaker 1: just do that then, you know.
[52:57] Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, all the Force guys I work with,
[53:00] Speaker 2: for except for one who's in prison for life right now,
[53:04] Speaker 2: but all the other ones that I know of that
[53:06] Speaker 2: were actual Force, we're just like good Rangers that I
[53:11] Speaker 2: worked with, like they were. You know, those are two
[53:16] Speaker 2: very similar pass and people that do well in those
[53:22] Speaker 2: two communities.
[53:23] Speaker 3: And I agree with you. The Force guys that I've
[53:25] Speaker 3: been around and work with. You know, I contracted for
[53:28] Speaker 3: like fifteen years after my fifteen years of military, and
[53:33] Speaker 3: you know, I could see across the board year after year,
[53:38] Speaker 3: job after job where Forced guys and Rangers seemed to
[53:43] Speaker 3: really get along.
[53:44] Speaker 2: You know.
[53:45] Speaker 3: Then you had your SF guys that kind of whatever,
[53:47] Speaker 3: and then you had your you know, a couple of
[53:49] Speaker 3: seals at whatever.
[53:50] Speaker 2: But you know, it seemed like the Force guys.
[53:54] Speaker 3: And the Rangers, you know, were cut from the same
[53:59] Speaker 3: piece of cloths.
[53:59] Speaker 2: And I can talk about a lot of people that
[54:05] Speaker 2: not in a positive way, but like I said, like,
[54:08] Speaker 2: all those Force guys were great.
[54:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, they're legit, They're legit. I remember watching I remember
[54:15] Speaker 1: watching them so for it used to be. I don't
[54:18] Speaker 1: think it's there anymore. But for my MOS, which was
[54:21] Speaker 1: zero eight six' one fire support, man you would go
[54:24] Speaker 1: To Fort sill for your artillery, training and then you'd
[54:27] Speaker 1: go out To coronado for your naval gunfire. Training we'd
[54:30] Speaker 1: SPEND i think four weeks or something In. Coronado but
[54:33] Speaker 1: where we're staying at is where you see all the
[54:35] Speaker 1: guys going THROUGH. Buds and at the same, time it's
[54:38] Speaker 1: the same area where all the guys that are going
[54:40] Speaker 1: THROUGH brc The Basic reconnaissance. Course it's not there anymore.
[54:44] Speaker 1: EITHER i think it's all On penalton. Now but And
[54:47] Speaker 1: i'm watching, them And i'm, like, dude everyone talks about
[54:50] Speaker 1: The navy seals and, stuff but these FUCKING brc guys
[54:53] Speaker 1: are doing the exact same. Thing you, Know they're out
[54:55] Speaker 1: here running on these same, beaches they're going through the
[54:57] Speaker 1: same serve. Passages AND i remember we're out DOING pt
[55:00] Speaker 1: on THE pt field one time and it was just
[55:02] Speaker 1: like you, know NORMAL, pt Like UNIT pt or. Whatever nothing.
[55:05] Speaker 1: Crazy we ran and did some workouts and this field
[55:08] Speaker 1: that we're on is on the edge of the base,
[55:10] Speaker 1: there and the recon guys had their boats and they
[55:15] Speaker 1: had their boats and they would. Run they'd carry the
[55:18] Speaker 1: boat around this, field which was like a baseball field
[55:21] Speaker 1: slash pt. Field they'd carry the boats around the, field
[55:24] Speaker 1: dump it in the, water jump. In they had to
[55:27] Speaker 1: paddle like five hundred meters, out make like a, square come,
[55:30] Speaker 1: back and they were doing laps of paddling and then coming,
[55:33] Speaker 1: back picking the boat up and then running with it
[55:35] Speaker 1: and then. Back AND i was just, like, dude that shit's. Crazy,
[55:38] Speaker 1: yeah like they're not faring. Around there's.
[55:40] Speaker 3: Studs, well you had On Kurt, spradley you, Know, tadpole
[55:45] Speaker 3: AND i know maybe you're in touch With Jason, Morrison,
[55:50] Speaker 3: elvis you, know those were two forced guys, that you,
[55:54] Speaker 3: know just just, great great, guys you, know great example
[55:58] Speaker 3: of that.
[55:58] Speaker 1: Community, YEAH i really. WISH i, mean all the GUYS
[56:01] Speaker 1: i met there were really great guys and THAT i worked.
[56:05] Speaker 1: WITH i really just felt bad that they weren't getting
[56:07] Speaker 1: the missions that they were capable of, doing cause they
[56:09] Speaker 1: are they are highly. Capable the teams that they have
[56:13] Speaker 1: are highly. Capable they're all well. Rounded you. Know it
[56:17] Speaker 1: was just it was a really really real pleasure working with.
[56:20] Speaker 1: Them And i've always, said out of all the units
[56:23] Speaker 1: in the, military the recon community and the sniper community
[56:27] Speaker 1: does like the best job of upholding their like legacy
[56:30] Speaker 1: and like lineage and making sure that their new guys understand,
[56:34] Speaker 1: like hey, man you're you're, Here you're you're holding a
[56:38] Speaker 1: whole legacy on your, shoulders you, know and it's. Important
[56:41] Speaker 1: AND i just think they do like a really great
[56:43] Speaker 1: job of.
[56:43] Speaker 2: THAT i agree with you one hundred. Percent.
[56:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, so, man you've done so many, things it's. Crazy
[56:51] Speaker 1: like we've talked About Army National guard And Desert, storm
[56:55] Speaker 1: Twentieth Special Forces, Group Ranger. Battalion you move from there
[56:59] Speaker 1: to the Third Special Forces, group, right you went back
[57:01] Speaker 1: AT i.
[57:02] Speaker 2: Went to Brag that's. RIGHT i spent four years at
[57:04] Speaker 2: Brag Old.
[57:06] Speaker 1: Bragistan, yeah For. Pragistan can't That WHEN i was talking about,
[57:13] Speaker 1: earlier the month long field, ops that's where we would.
[57:15] Speaker 1: Go we'd go to a brag and Like march and
[57:17] Speaker 1: In october For Rolling, thunder and then for a month
[57:20] Speaker 1: we'd shoot artillery and just piss everybody off around Brag.
[57:24] Speaker 1: YEAH i remember a couple of years, ago because they
[57:28] Speaker 1: shoot artillery essentially all day and all night except for On.
[57:33] Speaker 1: Sundays uh they don't start till like afternoon or something like.
[57:36] Speaker 1: That AND i remember a few years ago a civilian
[57:41] Speaker 1: local living outside of the base called the police and
[57:44] Speaker 1: said an artillery round landed in their yard just because
[57:48] Speaker 1: they knew that it would get them to stop shooting
[57:49] Speaker 1: for a. While AND i was, like that's, hilarious because they.
[57:52] Speaker 1: DO i, mean we used to go and shoot just
[57:54] Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of rounds twice a.
[57:57] Speaker 2: Year. Yeah.
[57:59] Speaker 1: Yeah Fort bragg's NOT i MEAN i was never stationed,
[58:02] Speaker 1: there But i've Never i've never really heard too many
[58:04] Speaker 1: good things about. It it's kind of crazy to. Me
[58:07] Speaker 1: and let me know your thoughts on. This Marshock marsok
[58:11] Speaker 1: moved all of our The marstok, teams the special operations,
[58:15] Speaker 1: units the. Battalions they're all At Campbell. June. Now there
[58:18] Speaker 1: used to be one here At Camp, pendleton and they
[58:22] Speaker 1: wanted to consolidate the forces and you, know to whatever
[58:25] Speaker 1: help training and all that. Stuff is it not a
[58:28] Speaker 1: huge mistake that we have such a, huge so calm
[58:31] Speaker 1: presence in Eastern North? Carolina like is that not A i,
[58:36] Speaker 1: mean should it not be a little bit more spread?
[58:39] Speaker 1: Out LIKE i feel like if if a country wanted
[58:41] Speaker 1: to really fuck something, up they could hit Eastern North
[58:44] Speaker 1: carolina and really do some damage because of all the
[58:47] Speaker 1: so calm assets that are located in that.
[58:49] Speaker 3: Area, well you bring up a good point justin You're
[58:55] Speaker 3: the fact that you bring that up is a you,
[58:57] Speaker 3: know it's a leadership. Problem it's like some body if
[59:01] Speaker 3: you're addressing it and seeing it as a, problem.
[59:04] Speaker 2: Then somebody of a higher rank that is in a
[59:07] Speaker 2: position to actually do something about it should do something about.
[59:11] Speaker 2: It AND i think that's just shows. You once you
[59:15] Speaker 2: get into.
[59:15] Speaker 3: That big military, machine the government, machine you, know there's
[59:19] Speaker 3: a lot of.
[59:20] Speaker 2: Problems, there and it's been a long time. Since you,
[59:23] Speaker 2: Know General mattis is probably.
[59:26] Speaker 3: One of the best military leaders, ever but he's certainly
[59:33] Speaker 3: possibly one of the best in my. Lifetime and people
[59:39] Speaker 3: like that don't do well in. Politics they don't do
[59:42] Speaker 3: well in positions where they can make real. Change and you,
[59:47] Speaker 3: KNOW i might be getting a little carried away, here
[59:49] Speaker 3: but you, know we need more people that are asking
[59:53] Speaker 3: the question like you at a higher. Level we need
[59:56] Speaker 3: people that are willing to say tough things and maybe
[1:00:01] Speaker 3: hurt a few people's feelings to get the truth out.
[1:00:04] Speaker 3: There to start doing the right, Thing like we need
[1:00:07] Speaker 3: men to start acting like men again instead of this
[1:00:10] Speaker 3: political correctness of WELL i got to navigate this way
[1:00:13] Speaker 3: Or i'm going to get in trouble or lose my
[1:00:15] Speaker 3: job or. Whatever it's, like there's got to be things
[1:00:18] Speaker 3: in life that are more important than losing your job
[1:00:20] Speaker 3: or getting in. Trouble and you, know we're the type
[1:00:24] Speaker 3: of people that stand for. Something it's, Like i'm willing
[1:00:26] Speaker 3: to give my life for this, cause But i'm not
[1:00:30] Speaker 3: willing to speak up and do something about this admin.
[1:00:32] Speaker 3: Thing it you, know it's it doesn't make any sense to,
[1:00:36] Speaker 3: me BUT i think it's it's it falls under. Leadership you,
[1:00:40] Speaker 3: know the reason why things are happening like that is
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: because somebody at the general level is a standing up
[1:00:48] Speaker 3: and going that's.
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: Stupid you, know we're not doing. It you, know probably
[1:00:53] Speaker 2: somebody did it out of convenience or it's, like, well.
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: They're probably saving a lot of money from doing the shared,
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: ranges AND i understand, that BUT i don't, know.
[1:01:04] Speaker 3: Well you, know we we spend billions of dollars on
[1:01:09] Speaker 3: illegal aliens and people overseas that have nothing to do
[1:01:12] Speaker 3: with what we're.
[1:01:13] Speaker 2: Doing so you, know saving money that don't pass the
[1:01:17] Speaker 2: common sense test for me like.
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: THAT i like HOW i like how s THE sf
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: groups are in different areas and because of, that you
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: get more well rounded people because there's so, many like you,
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: know like being up In, washington training up In washington
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: in that area is gonna be much different than if
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: you're like training down In florida and stuff like. That
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: and and it's not like these people aren't traveling already
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: for training. ANYWAYS i don't, KNOW i just, thought like
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: all these, consolidated uh like special operations units on The east,
[1:01:48] Speaker 1: Coast it's, like is that that doesn't seem like a
[1:01:52] Speaker 1: very smart, Idea like we shouldn't do. THAT i don't
[1:01:55] Speaker 1: know what because even before even before, now back when
[1:01:59] Speaker 1: you were, there right you had there was Obviously, RANGERS
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: Sf delta all that. Is that's part of.
[1:02:05] Speaker 3: Brag, Well i'll caveat on what you were talking. About
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: The Green. Berets they have done a really good job
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: of dispersing their, assets.
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: You, know.
[1:02:20] Speaker 3: Geographically so if you look at first, group, yeah they're
[1:02:23] Speaker 3: In Washington, state but they've got a forward element you know.
[1:02:26] Speaker 3: Overseas if you look at tenth, group they've got a,
[1:02:29] Speaker 3: uh you, know uh a place In, colorado but they've
[1:02:35] Speaker 3: got a forward element. Overseas if you look At Third
[1:02:38] Speaker 3: group and Seventh group being At bragg at the same,
[1:02:40] Speaker 3: time they fixed.
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: That you, know they saw there was a.
[1:02:44] Speaker 3: Need and and put seventh group down In florida and
[1:02:48] Speaker 3: third group stay At brag and then you Got fifth,
[1:02:50] Speaker 3: group you, know At campbell and so they're they're spread,
[1:02:54] Speaker 3: out they're they're doing things that makes. Sense and you,
[1:02:58] Speaker 3: KNOW i wasn't. AWARE i you, Know marsak is new to.
[1:03:03] Speaker 3: ME i don't know a lot about, it BUT i
[1:03:07] Speaker 3: DIDN'T i wasn't aware that all that was. Consolidated, yeah
[1:03:10] Speaker 3: it's never a good idea to put everybody on the same, airplane,
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: RIGHT i, mean even WHEN i worked On, facebook you,
[1:03:17] Speaker 3: know we Had Mark zuckerberg And Ryl, sandberg they flew
[1:03:20] Speaker 3: on two different private jets with their entourage instead of
[1:03:23] Speaker 3: all on.
[1:03:24] Speaker 2: One so even in.
[1:03:25] Speaker 3: The corporate, world they're making good leadership, decisions you, know
[1:03:31] Speaker 3: for for THEIR ceo AND. Coo so, yeah there's there's
[1:03:36] Speaker 3: room for. Improvement but, LORD i think we got so
[1:03:40] Speaker 3: many other things that you, know we got to figure
[1:03:44] Speaker 3: out what happened to The epstein list and what happened
[1:03:47] Speaker 3: To Charlie.
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: Kirk and we got a lot of things to figure
[1:03:49] Speaker 2: out before we fixed the real problem of the leadership
[1:03:55] Speaker 2: of this country and how we're using the.
[1:03:57] Speaker 1: Military what do you mean about What Charlie? Kirk you
[1:03:59] Speaker 1: don't think he was. KILLED i don't.
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: Think that some kid on a roof kill, him not at.
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: All, REALLY i don't, know, man absolutely absolutely tell me?
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: Why tell me?
[1:04:14] Speaker 2: Why, WELL i don't want to delve into it too.
[1:04:17] Speaker 3: MUCH i think when when you've got so many, discrepancies
[1:04:26] Speaker 3: when there's it should be.
[1:04:27] Speaker 1: Simple what discrepancies are?
[1:04:29] Speaker 3: There, Though, well you shoot something the next with a
[1:04:34] Speaker 3: thirty thirty or a thirty all six.
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: Round.
[1:04:38] Speaker 3: There's a lot of color and and, uh there's a
[1:04:45] Speaker 3: lot involved with.
[1:04:46] Speaker 2: That you. KNOW i worked as an eighteen, DELTA i
[1:04:48] Speaker 2: worked as ann to one one. Paramedic i've shot, People
[1:04:51] Speaker 2: i've been shot. At that's not how it, looks that's
[1:04:56] Speaker 2: not what.
[1:04:56] Speaker 3: Happens and so there's a, lot a lot of sketchy,
[1:05:02] Speaker 3: things like when your friend and your coworker gets, shot
[1:05:06] Speaker 3: you don't think about getting a video, Camera like that's
[1:05:09] Speaker 3: the last fucking.
[1:05:10] Speaker 2: Thing on your.
[1:05:10] Speaker 3: Mind like in that, moment you don't do Those those
[1:05:15] Speaker 3: are admin things like when somebody gets killed and you're
[1:05:19] Speaker 3: not aware of, it you're in a different part of your,
[1:05:23] Speaker 3: brain especially if you've never been around, it which most
[1:05:27] Speaker 3: civilians have. It and so you saw there's a lot
[1:05:31] Speaker 3: of things that are inconsistent with. That but, yeah it
[1:05:38] Speaker 3: appears that the guy that they're claiming that did it
[1:05:41] Speaker 3: wasn't even.
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: There so if if, you if, you if if the.
[1:05:50] Speaker 3: Government is malevolent enough to do something like, this then
[1:05:55] Speaker 3: they have the assets and the resources to.
[1:05:58] Speaker 2: Create that kind of. Facade but why that? Chaos so you,
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: Know i'm not an expert to speak.
[1:06:07] Speaker 3: To you could research that and come up with your
[1:06:09] Speaker 3: own And i'm not trying to manipulate any. Decision but
[1:06:13] Speaker 3: that was definitely not some stupid. Kid you don't you
[1:06:19] Speaker 3: don't go through that trouble to get on a roof
[1:06:22] Speaker 3: and then not have an exit plan where you've got
[1:06:25] Speaker 3: to just jump off and run for your life and hurt. Yourself,
[1:06:28] Speaker 3: like there's so many things that didn't make sense about
[1:06:32] Speaker 3: if you're going to kill, somebody and but.
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: You're you're also looking at it from the point of
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: view of somebody that's been an infantryman and a, ranger
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: A Special forces, soldier an air. Marshal uh contract.
[1:06:47] Speaker 2: Looking at it as an, expert.
[1:06:49] Speaker 1: Yeah so What i'm saying, is, yeah as an, Expert you're,
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: like that's a DUMB e AND e. Plan but that
[1:06:54] Speaker 1: kid probably.
[1:06:57] Speaker 2: That's just one. Piece that's just one. Piece and so
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: IF i tell you a, story IF i go to
[1:07:02] Speaker 2: IF i go to court for killing somebody AND i
[1:07:05] Speaker 2: start telling my story the way this, Is i'm going to.
[1:07:09] Speaker 2: Prison like there's no lawyer in the world that's going
[1:07:12] Speaker 2: to save me from this.
[1:07:14] Speaker 3: Unless the justice system itself is Who i'm fighting.
[1:07:19] Speaker 2: Against and that's the case. Here it's just like WITH,
[1:07:22] Speaker 2: covid it's just like, like, so so some stupid kid
[1:07:27] Speaker 2: took a shot At trump and he got. Killed nothing
[1:07:32] Speaker 2: else said about.
[1:07:33] Speaker 3: It next, thing you, know another, kid stupid kid Kills Charlie.
[1:07:38] Speaker 3: Kirk let's move. On even his wife's, like let's move,
[1:07:42] Speaker 3: on let's go. On that was that thing was, rigged
[1:07:46] Speaker 3: that was. Intentional there's a bigger element going. On you,
[1:07:52] Speaker 3: know that's why The epstein list is. Gone you, know
[1:07:56] Speaker 3: none of these people are going to pay the pound
[1:08:00] Speaker 3: of flesh for what they've done to this country and
[1:08:03] Speaker 3: what they're doing to veterans and what they're doing to
[1:08:05] Speaker 3: The american. People nobody's and it is because they've got
[1:08:10] Speaker 3: so much corruption on these people that they're gonna have
[1:08:13] Speaker 3: to do what they're told or they're gonna get.
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: Killed, YEAH i think. So on The epstein. Thing the
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: thing that's really bothered me was especially like a few
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: weeks ago that they had like a press conference with
[1:08:29] Speaker 1: all the, survivors if you, will and then some of
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: the stuff that came out was like one of the
[1:08:36] Speaker 1: ladies was like that was like a survivor in air,
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: quotes was like twenty one at the. Time it's like
[1:08:41] Speaker 1: she wasn't even. Underage my thing is is, like if
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: you are a soap supposed, survivor AND i don't want to,
[1:08:47] Speaker 1: like you, know denigrate whatever it is they are or
[1:08:50] Speaker 1: WHAT i don't know anything about. It but if you
[1:08:52] Speaker 1: are a supposed, survivor if you can come out and
[1:08:55] Speaker 1: do a press conference and talk about how dangerous it
[1:08:57] Speaker 1: is for you to even speak and this and that
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: and the whole world is, watching then why can't you
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: be like start pointing. Fingers no one's actually gonna stop.
[1:09:08] Speaker 1: You you know What i'm, saying, like if you're, like
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: if you call a press conference and start naming, names
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: like that's the thing that kills me about. It AND
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: i don't, know, honestly it's so convoluted. NOW i just
[1:09:21] Speaker 1: don't even know what are we waiting on. From i've
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: heard everything From the only information that hasn't been released
[1:09:27] Speaker 1: which we know isn't, true is like the names of
[1:09:30] Speaker 1: some of the victims and stuff that can be considered child,
[1:09:33] Speaker 1: porn which obviously we don't want to release that, stuff,
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: Right BUT i think we've seen that there's more than,
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: that obviously this week by some of the emails that
[1:09:41] Speaker 1: are getting. RELEASED i if there's a supposed victim out,
[1:09:45] Speaker 1: there if there's a victim out there and actual, victim
[1:09:47] Speaker 1: then they need to come out and actually say something
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: and stop with press conferences and all you know this and,
[1:09:52] Speaker 1: That like you know you have the power to do,
[1:09:55] Speaker 1: something so do. Something. Stop you, know to, me when
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: you start doing press conferences that are talking about what
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: you could release and this and that or what could,
[1:10:03] Speaker 1: happen and but you don't ever say, anything that to
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: me feels like you're doing it for. Notoriety AND i
[1:10:09] Speaker 1: hate to say that about someone that might be a.
[1:10:11] Speaker 1: Victim but stop going out and talking about come out
[1:10:16] Speaker 1: and just give up the names or. Whatever, well you,
[1:10:18] Speaker 1: know stop talking about there's a list or there's this, information.
[1:10:21] Speaker 2: There's some names that there's some names out. There they've
[1:10:24] Speaker 2: put some names out, there you.
[1:10:25] Speaker 1: Know one was Like David copperfield was like the.
[1:10:27] Speaker 3: Magician let me let first of, ALL i don't agree
[1:10:31] Speaker 3: with you at, All so but let me say.
[1:10:34] Speaker 2: This When Pam bondy you, know gets up there and
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: says she's gonna do, this and she, says the reason
[1:10:44] Speaker 2: why the video tape is missing a minute is. Logical
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: it's pre.
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: Suicide. Suicide then they come.
[1:10:53] Speaker 2: Back and they said the tape has not been. Edited,
[1:10:56] Speaker 2: yeah but then it's proven it has been. Edited and then.
[1:11:01] Speaker 3: And the new version comes out and it shows somebody
[1:11:04] Speaker 3: walking up those. Stuff, Okay so why would the why
[1:11:08] Speaker 3: would the person in charge of justice for this country
[1:11:11] Speaker 3: lie to The american? People so that in, itself IF
[1:11:16] Speaker 3: i went to, court or IF i was being interviewed
[1:11:18] Speaker 3: by AN fbi agent AND i said that and THEN
[1:11:21] Speaker 3: i changed my, Mind i'd go to.
[1:11:22] Speaker 2: Prison that's a. Felony so you can't.
[1:11:25] Speaker 3: Lie and then change it and lie change it and
[1:11:27] Speaker 3: then finally get the narrative right and convince. People that's pure,
[1:11:32] Speaker 3: manipulation that's pure gas.
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: Lighting my frequency is a lot.
[1:11:37] Speaker 3: Higher my critical thinking is not that, stupid like, yeah
[1:11:41] Speaker 3: it's it's, Horseshit like there is something very you, Know,
[1:11:46] Speaker 3: colligula you, know is going on right.
[1:11:49] Speaker 2: Now it's like.
[1:11:50] Speaker 3: It's just things aren't different than they were In, Rome
[1:11:54] Speaker 3: like that same crap is going on by all these
[1:11:57] Speaker 3: really rich and powerful, people and it's being hidden almost
[1:12:03] Speaker 3: in plain, sight and they convoluted enough to where people
[1:12:06] Speaker 3: like you are, going, yeah it's just, yeah you, Know
[1:12:11] Speaker 3: i'm going to focus on one of these victims.
[1:12:13] Speaker 2: Statement you, KNOW.
[1:12:14] Speaker 1: I just, YEAH i Don't, AGAIN i don't want it
[1:12:17] Speaker 1: to come OFF i don't want that to come off
[1:12:19] Speaker 1: Like i'm victim blaming or saying something like. That What
[1:12:22] Speaker 1: i'm saying, is if you are saying that you're a,
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: victim which multiple of these women have and and they've
[1:12:28] Speaker 1: come out and they've done press conferences about how they've done,
[1:12:34] Speaker 1: everything but give actual, information you know What i'm, saying
[1:12:38] Speaker 1: if you are if that's what you're if you if
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: you're a victim and you're coming out and giving press
[1:12:42] Speaker 1: conferences about, something the first thing that you the next
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: press conference should be you standing in front of a
[1:12:47] Speaker 1: microphone and, going so and so did, this so and
[1:12:49] Speaker 1: so did, this so and so did. This and if
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: you're afraid of anything, happening that's how you stop anything from,
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: happening because there's no way that something's going to happen to.
[1:12:57] Speaker 1: You if you're standing in front of the world and
[1:12:59] Speaker 1: you're giving those, names there's no way it's. Done it's,
[1:13:01] Speaker 1: open it's out. THERE i Don't WHAT i don't like
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: is someone dragging it, on LIKE i have this, INFORMATION
[1:13:07] Speaker 1: i just can't release it right. Now and an example
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: of this would be kind of Like Adam shift during
[1:13:12] Speaker 1: the whole thing With trump on his last, presidency where he's, like,
[1:13:15] Speaker 1: no He's russian. Collusion we have. IT i have the,
[1:13:18] Speaker 1: information but it's it's classified AND i can't release it,
[1:13:20] Speaker 1: here but you, know trust, me it's coming out. Soon
[1:13:23] Speaker 1: and then it came out that it was nothing but.
[1:13:25] Speaker 1: Bullshit And i'm not Saying i'm not saying that this
[1:13:28] Speaker 1: is nothing but. Bullshit What i'm saying is if there's something,
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: there then get it. Out let it. Out also and
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: also the government may, not WHICH i agree that they
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: should release everything they, have minus like child porn. Stuff
[1:13:43] Speaker 1: obviously that's a. Situation they should release everything they. Have
[1:13:46] Speaker 1: but the other players outside of the, government these the
[1:13:50] Speaker 1: victims and, stuff they should be just saying fuck. It
[1:13:53] Speaker 1: i'm tired of. Waiting here's what.
[1:13:54] Speaker 2: Happened but, yeah MAYBE i don't.
[1:13:57] Speaker 3: KNOW i don't know why they're doing what they're, doing
[1:14:00] Speaker 3: BUT i know what's been. Done, LIKE i can't answer,
[1:14:05] Speaker 3: that BUT i. CAN i can tell you That Pam
[1:14:08] Speaker 3: bondy has changed her story one hundred.
[1:14:11] Speaker 2: PERCENT i know what you're talking. About have changed her.
[1:14:14] Speaker 3: Story from what they initially, said Even. TRUMP i voted
[1:14:18] Speaker 3: For trump every, time And i'm not A trump fan.
[1:14:22] Speaker 3: Anymore LIKE i don't trust anything anymore that comes out
[1:14:27] Speaker 3: of The White house because they didn't do what they.
[1:14:29] Speaker 2: Said they were going to. Do and that's. Important it's
[1:14:32] Speaker 2: important to hold the people that are running this country
[1:14:37] Speaker 2: to a higher standard than some person on the. Street
[1:14:40] Speaker 2: and we don't do. THAT i, Agree and so somebody
[1:14:44] Speaker 2: has to stand up and say.
[1:14:45] Speaker 3: It somebody has to hold that, line and, nobody not
[1:14:50] Speaker 3: many people are wanting to do.
[1:14:51] Speaker 2: It but, yeah you KNOW covid was false flag all
[1:14:55] Speaker 2: this shooting. Stuff these aren't, kids you, know it's just
[1:14:58] Speaker 2: Like Lee, HARVEY I well didn't single handedly do. That
[1:15:02] Speaker 2: he was another, patsy just like these. Kids that's why
[1:15:05] Speaker 2: they had to go kill him before it went to.
[1:15:08] Speaker 2: Trial they had to clean that, up you.
[1:15:12] Speaker 3: Know so they're using this same template of you, know
[1:15:17] Speaker 3: this lone gunman, who just Like Bin, lauden worked for
[1:15:25] Speaker 3: THE cia and worked with the S F Timothy timothy.
[1:15:28] Speaker 3: McVeigh you, know all these people are connected to the
[1:15:31] Speaker 3: government and then they're.
[1:15:32] Speaker 2: Not then they're the.
[1:15:34] Speaker 3: Enemy and so there's a pattern, here and there's a
[1:15:38] Speaker 3: lot of covering up because there's bigger things going on.
[1:15:42] Speaker 2: That we're not privy.
[1:15:43] Speaker 3: To but, yeah that That epstein thing is, Horseshit like
[1:15:48] Speaker 3: there's some really guilty people like and it's probably The
[1:15:52] Speaker 3: president of The United states who Killed. Epstein he clearly
[1:15:55] Speaker 3: didn't kill. Hisself if he, did why would somebody tamper
[1:15:58] Speaker 3: with the tape and then come out with a different
[1:16:01] Speaker 3: version that was Untampered and you can see why they
[1:16:05] Speaker 3: adjusted the tape is because there's a fucking person in.
[1:16:08] Speaker 2: It, yeah that's why they cut that one minute.
[1:16:11] Speaker 3: Out so if The Justice department is gonna lie about,
[1:16:14] Speaker 3: that to lie about, anything and now That epstein list
[1:16:17] Speaker 3: is just, gone they don't even want to talk about.
[1:16:20] Speaker 3: It you're Anti trump or Anti maga or Anti. America
[1:16:24] Speaker 3: if you talk about, it that's the. Opposite talking about
[1:16:27] Speaker 3: it Is. American getting it out there and finding the
[1:16:30] Speaker 3: truth Is. American and we just need more people to
[1:16:32] Speaker 3: do that and hold them. Accountable but you, know whether
[1:16:36] Speaker 3: you pick a, Demo i'm not A democrat or Probit
[1:16:38] Speaker 3: i'm a, libertarian and the best choice for me is
[1:16:41] Speaker 3: somebody that's, conservative somebody that's gonna know the difference between
[1:16:46] Speaker 3: a boy and a girl's. Bathroom that's What i'm voting.
[1:16:49] Speaker 3: For that's how desperate voters are, now is to find
[1:16:52] Speaker 3: anything to cling on.
[1:16:53] Speaker 2: To, so, yeah we don't have to agree on, that but,
[1:16:56] Speaker 2: YEAH i wholeheartedly believe that's all a bunch of horseship
[1:17:00] Speaker 2: that we've been fed And i'm not gonna eat.
[1:17:02] Speaker 1: It, Well i'm with. YOU i think if if you have,
[1:17:04] Speaker 1: information it needs to be. Released and that's the government,
[1:17:07] Speaker 1: side which we likely won't hear. More you, know it's
[1:17:10] Speaker 1: being forced out of. Them but, again on the other,
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: side of the people that are involved in, it you, know,
[1:17:16] Speaker 1: like what's stopping? Them that's that's my, Thing, like you,
[1:17:19] Speaker 1: know stop. FUCKING i don't. Know we don't have to keep.
[1:17:23] Speaker 1: On we got we got down a little we all
[1:17:25] Speaker 1: went down a little rabbit hole.
[1:17:26] Speaker 2: There, yeah, yeah we're just that's.
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: FINE i don't disagree that something's. HAPPENING i just don't
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: necessarily think IT'S i don't, Know, man every time there's a,
[1:17:37] Speaker 1: shooting every time there's a, something there's always a conspiracy
[1:17:40] Speaker 1: theory about it about, ah this is you, know this
[1:17:44] Speaker 1: is one thing or another and no one for a
[1:17:46] Speaker 1: lot of, stuff people can't accept that that's just what.
[1:17:49] Speaker 1: Happened you know What i'm. Saying i'm, like that's you,
[1:17:53] Speaker 1: know even stuff that seems pretty. Straightforward it's like and
[1:17:56] Speaker 1: one THING i always ask people Is i'm, like why
[1:18:01] Speaker 1: why would they do? This you, know what's the reason
[1:18:03] Speaker 1: for this theory that you have that it was done
[1:18:07] Speaker 1: for this? Reason and this isn't me talking to you, directly,
[1:18:10] Speaker 1: obviously this is in. General WHEN i talk to somebody
[1:18:12] Speaker 1: that comes out of alternate theory for an, event why
[1:18:16] Speaker 1: do you, think you, know why would this organization get
[1:18:19] Speaker 1: involved to such a point that to make this event
[1:18:22] Speaker 1: happen like, that what's the benefit for? Them you? Know
[1:18:25] Speaker 1: AND i don't. KNOW i don't believe. Everything, Obviously i'm in.
[1:18:29] Speaker 1: MEDIA i share news like. You i've been, deployed And
[1:18:33] Speaker 1: i've seen how that coverage of actual Things i've been
[1:18:36] Speaker 1: involved with on the news are and how it's skewed
[1:18:41] Speaker 1: or miss misrepresented or. Whatever So i'm fully aware of
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: some of the shenanigans out. THERE i JUST i don't.
[1:18:51] Speaker 1: Know some of the stuff IS i think is more
[1:18:53] Speaker 1: straightforward than people give credit, to and some of the
[1:18:55] Speaker 1: stuff is definitely.
[1:18:57] Speaker 3: Suspicious it's a lot easier to to do, that you,
[1:19:01] Speaker 3: know it's a paradigm shift to do What i'm, doing
[1:19:04] Speaker 3: and a lot of people don't want.
[1:19:06] Speaker 1: To so you let's let's talk real. QUICK i, mean
[1:19:08] Speaker 1: we're jumping. Around we just kind of took us off off,
[1:19:12] Speaker 1: track but we're jumping. Around but you worked as, security
[1:19:16] Speaker 1: like you, said For, facebook you worked with some of
[1:19:19] Speaker 1: the most high level people out. There does that give?
[1:19:22] Speaker 1: YOU i, mean is there anything that you saw there
[1:19:25] Speaker 1: that gives You you're, like what the fuck is this?
[1:19:27] Speaker 1: Going you, know what's going on? Here, like, well you, Know.
[1:19:30] Speaker 2: Mark went to See obama a couple of times at
[1:19:32] Speaker 2: The White. House is the only TIME i ever seen.
[1:19:34] Speaker 2: It put a suit on and go to The White.
[1:19:36] Speaker 2: House but you, know other than, that, no, nothing nothing
[1:19:41] Speaker 2: like that.
[1:19:42] Speaker 3: There but from a protection, standpoint like you, know in twenty,
[1:19:47] Speaker 3: nineteen the last JOB i had was protecting the president Of.
[1:19:49] Speaker 3: Haiti you, KNOW i Protected Ambassador Stu. Jones i've Protected,
[1:19:52] Speaker 3: zuckerberg you know several other. PEOPLE i understand. Protection that's my.
[1:19:58] Speaker 2: Wheelhouse so when that guy that supposedly killed tried to
[1:20:04] Speaker 2: Kill trump was burned down before anybody could talk to.
[1:20:09] Speaker 2: Him when that.
[1:20:10] Speaker 3: Guy was spotted up there and law enforcement was notified
[1:20:14] Speaker 3: and they were told to stand down local, police well
[1:20:17] Speaker 3: there's all the EVIDENCE i. Need why the fuck would
[1:20:22] Speaker 3: anybody tell law enforcement when a presidential candidate is speaking
[1:20:29] Speaker 3: and there's a suspicious guy up on a rooftop where
[1:20:33] Speaker 3: he's in an unauthorized, Area why would anybody shut that?
[1:20:36] Speaker 3: Down but that's what they, did and those people aren't
[1:20:39] Speaker 3: allowed to publicly.
[1:20:41] Speaker 2: Speak so you, know when the government comes, In.
[1:20:47] Speaker 1: I'm, sorry IT'S.
[1:20:49] Speaker 2: I think it's saying.
[1:20:51] Speaker 1: Reconnecting now you're still.
[1:20:53] Speaker 2: Good i'm still? Good, okay you, know when the government
[1:20:56] Speaker 2: comes in and, tells you, know local law, enforcement like
[1:21:02] Speaker 2: if you speak about, this you'll go to prison for
[1:21:05] Speaker 2: this many years and be penalized or. Whatever people shut
[1:21:08] Speaker 2: up and that's what. Happens.
[1:21:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, YEAH i think that power to do something like
[1:21:18] Speaker 1: that is slowly becoming less and less, powerful because, again
[1:21:25] Speaker 1: like IF i was directly involved with. That let's SAY
[1:21:27] Speaker 1: i was a swat guy AND i was supposed to
[1:21:29] Speaker 1: be on that rooftop AND i got told not to
[1:21:31] Speaker 1: for whatever reason or. Whatever there's no Way i'm gonna
[1:21:35] Speaker 1: sit back and let my name and profession get drugged
[1:21:38] Speaker 1: through the. Mud is being, incompetent you, Know and, oh
[1:21:41] Speaker 1: you're gonna get in trouble if you say. Something fuck, you.
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: Dude i'm gonna go live On facebook or On instagram
[1:21:47] Speaker 1: or on all of the social media platforms and say
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: my piece and what are you gonna do about? It
[1:21:51] Speaker 1: are you really going to imprison? Me you, know the
[1:21:53] Speaker 1: outcry from the general, public they'd be, like what the
[1:21:56] Speaker 1: hell are? You this guy's telling the truth and you're
[1:21:58] Speaker 1: taking into Prison like AND i WOULD.
[1:22:02] Speaker 3: I would do that, too but you know what would
[1:22:04] Speaker 3: happen to? Me justin they put child porn on my.
[1:22:07] Speaker 3: Phone they'd start a narrative to destroy my.
[1:22:12] Speaker 2: Reputation they would make the public hate me Because i'm
[1:22:16] Speaker 2: a child, molester and all these. Things they would they would,
[1:22:18] Speaker 2: attacked they would do a.
[1:22:19] Speaker 3: Soft kill and destroy, me and it wouldn't matter WHAT
[1:22:23] Speaker 3: i said. Anymore and that's the same thing THAT i
[1:22:26] Speaker 3: think will happen to those female. Victims they've already probably
[1:22:30] Speaker 3: had their face punched in a couple times trying to
[1:22:32] Speaker 3: get something done about. This and, look you got this
[1:22:36] Speaker 3: many women complaining and nothing's being. Done if that happened
[1:22:40] Speaker 3: in any other, scenario there'd be somebody's head.
[1:22:44] Speaker 1: Again, again, though if there's so many of, them why
[1:22:47] Speaker 1: aren't they themselves coming out and naming. Names this is
[1:22:51] Speaker 1: such a huge. Story this is such a huge. Story
[1:22:53] Speaker 1: it's not like if they came out and said something
[1:22:55] Speaker 1: that secret actors could disappear them in. Whatever, no such
[1:23:00] Speaker 1: a huge. Story like it killed me, Again i'm going
[1:23:03] Speaker 1: back to. This it killed. Me it was like a
[1:23:05] Speaker 1: month or two. Ago now there was literally multiple. Victims you. Know,
[1:23:10] Speaker 1: Again i'm using air, quotes not Because i'm an, asshole
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: but BECAUSE i don't. Know there was multiple victims all
[1:23:17] Speaker 1: together holding a press conference and talking about everything but
[1:23:20] Speaker 1: what they should be talking, about and that's naming people
[1:23:22] Speaker 1: and what actually. Happened AND i just. DON'T i don't
[1:23:26] Speaker 1: that killed a lot of credibility for them for me
[1:23:30] Speaker 1: because if let's, say let's Say i'm A i don't,
[1:23:34] Speaker 1: Know i'm not a. Woman Let's i'm trying to think of.
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: SOMETHING i, MEAN i guess IF i WAS i could
[1:23:37] Speaker 1: be raped as a. Guy let's Say i'm a dude
[1:23:38] Speaker 1: AND i get, raped right and some dude rapes me or.
[1:23:41] Speaker 1: Whatever i'm not gonna go out on a press conference
[1:23:43] Speaker 1: and talk about everything but the. Person i'm not gonna be, like,
[1:23:47] Speaker 1: yeah it was. Horrible it was horrible for me and my.
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: Family it was this and this and this and that
[1:23:51] Speaker 1: and this and, that and then someone, goes, well who was?
[1:23:53] Speaker 1: IT i can't talk about that like. THAT i just,
[1:23:58] Speaker 1: AGAIN i think that there's obvious. Something you, Know epstein
[1:24:01] Speaker 1: was a piece of ship and all all of, that you,
[1:24:04] Speaker 1: know just as a, person not a good, person. OBVIOUSLY
[1:24:08] Speaker 1: i just need to know. More and it makes me
[1:24:12] Speaker 1: question when all these victims are coming out and saying
[1:24:15] Speaker 1: everything but what people want to, know and that's who it,
[1:24:18] Speaker 1: was tell us the details so that those people can
[1:24:21] Speaker 1: receive the, right you, know prosecution or. Whatever and it's
[1:24:24] Speaker 1: just not, happening and it's just getting drug out like
[1:24:27] Speaker 1: it's just fucking thing on the internet rather than AND
[1:24:30] Speaker 1: i just don't get, it, MAN i just don't get.
[1:24:32] Speaker 1: It i'm with, You i'm with.
[1:24:34] Speaker 2: You what do you what do you not get About
[1:24:37] Speaker 2: trump And? Espain we're best friends until the falling out
[1:24:41] Speaker 2: AND i just don't think about. That isn't that suspicious to?
[1:24:46] Speaker 1: YOU i don't think that was. TRUE i don't think
[1:24:48] Speaker 1: that was, true.
[1:24:48] Speaker 2: Though oh it's it's, YEAH i.
[1:24:51] Speaker 1: DON'T i, mean i'd have. TO i, admittedly there's probably
[1:24:55] Speaker 1: a shit ton of stuff that involves this THAT i
[1:24:58] Speaker 1: Don't i'm not aware, of BUT i. DON'T i know
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: that they were familiar with each, other AND i, also
[1:25:03] Speaker 1: from my, understanding.
[1:25:06] Speaker 2: Says this Is epstein said in his own word on
[1:25:09] Speaker 2: a video on an interview before he died that they
[1:25:12] Speaker 2: were great friends for ten. Years maybe in a real estate.
[1:25:17] Speaker 3: Deal trump fucked him in a real estate deal and
[1:25:19] Speaker 3: they parted, ways and that's when supposedly somebody reported him
[1:25:24] Speaker 3: and he started getting in trouble for.
[1:25:26] Speaker 2: This.
[1:25:27] Speaker 1: SEE i thought it was that there there was a
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: falling out and he banned him from his club at
[1:25:35] Speaker 1: Mar A. Lagou that's the cover up you.
[1:25:38] Speaker 3: Got if you dig, deeper you can hear him in
[1:25:41] Speaker 3: his own, words if you search for, it you can
[1:25:44] Speaker 3: Find epstein in his own. Words you got to go
[1:25:48] Speaker 3: just below that, legacy legacy media coverage and go a
[1:25:53] Speaker 3: little deeper and you can find.
[1:25:55] Speaker 2: Enough, look if they had half the evidence.
[1:25:59] Speaker 3: Against you or me that they have against.
[1:26:04] Speaker 2: The people that are involved With.
[1:26:06] Speaker 3: Epstein, look how Does epstein were that billionaire that Funded
[1:26:13] Speaker 3: epstein and gave him the biggest house In manhattan that
[1:26:17] Speaker 3: was his house or. Whatever why ain't we talking to
[1:26:19] Speaker 3: him instead of the. Victims why ain't we finding out
[1:26:23] Speaker 3: why did you give him clarte blanche to your billions of?
[1:26:26] Speaker 3: Dollars like what was going on with the guy that
[1:26:31] Speaker 3: owns you, know A victoria's secret other than, well he
[1:26:36] Speaker 3: must have liked little kids. Too and blackmail is a real. Thing,
[1:26:42] Speaker 3: yeah you, know people are willing to do anything to
[1:26:45] Speaker 3: not be, exposed and so these powerful people don't want
[1:26:52] Speaker 3: to get, exposed and they're willing to kill or do.
[1:26:54] Speaker 3: Anything you, Know i've worked for. Billionaires billionaires don't take
[1:26:58] Speaker 3: no for an. Answer they do whatever the fuck they.
[1:27:01] Speaker 3: Want they don't follow the laws that men you. Follow
[1:27:05] Speaker 3: they do whatever the fuck they, want and if you
[1:27:07] Speaker 3: tell them, no they'll push you out of the way
[1:27:09] Speaker 3: higher and find somebody that'll say. Yes that's how billion billionaires.
[1:27:14] Speaker 3: Roll it's a whole different. World people don't want to admit,
[1:27:17] Speaker 3: it they don't like, it but it's. Real billionaires privileged
[1:27:22] Speaker 3: people don't follow.
[1:27:23] Speaker 2: The rules that they make us. Follow and that's just a. Fact,
[1:27:28] Speaker 2: yeah you, KNOW i could get a p If i'm.
[1:27:30] Speaker 3: Rich, ENOUGH i can get a private, plane fill it
[1:27:33] Speaker 3: full of drugs and, hookers and fly in and out
[1:27:36] Speaker 3: of this country as much AS i. Want nobody will
[1:27:38] Speaker 3: ever check, anything you, know they. Don't they don't get.
[1:27:42] Speaker 3: CHECKED i can't carry a pair of nail clippers onto
[1:27:45] Speaker 3: a plane because of nine to, eleven which was a false,
[1:27:48] Speaker 3: flag Twelve afghanis or Twelve Saudi.
[1:27:52] Speaker 1: Ray come, on come, on, Dude building, set every everything
[1:27:57] Speaker 1: that we've talked, about you're saying is if they're not
[1:28:00] Speaker 1: everything could be a conspiracy. Theory building.
[1:28:02] Speaker 2: Seven tell me How building seven fell at freest fall,
[1:28:05] Speaker 2: speed BRO.
[1:28:06] Speaker 1: I don't know, MAN i that's SOMETHING i haven't looked at.
[1:28:11] Speaker 2: Because building seven is a steel structured building that wasn't
[1:28:15] Speaker 2: even hit by the. Airplane it was barely on, fire
[1:28:18] Speaker 2: and it collapsed at free. Fall it was left.
[1:28:23] Speaker 3: Out it was left out of the nine to eleven
[1:28:25] Speaker 3: report because they couldn't explain.
[1:28:27] Speaker 1: IT i don't. KNOW i don't think it was a false.
[1:28:31] Speaker 1: FLAG i think that's.
[1:28:32] Speaker 2: Ridiculous, yeah we don't have to agree on. That but
[1:28:36] Speaker 2: you show me in the history of the world a
[1:28:40] Speaker 2: steel structure that collapsed under, fire and that's only happened
[1:28:46] Speaker 2: three times in the history.
[1:28:48] Speaker 1: Are you talking About are you talking about The World
[1:28:51] Speaker 1: Trade center towers by? Themselves are you talking about that has.
[1:28:54] Speaker 2: Ever happened in the history of steel? Buildings was that?
[1:29:00] Speaker 3: Day there has never been a structure that caught on
[1:29:03] Speaker 3: fire and collapsed on itself at free fall speed in
[1:29:07] Speaker 3: the history of buildings except on that, day and one
[1:29:10] Speaker 3: of them wasn't even hit by an. Airplane so so,
[1:29:16] Speaker 3: yeah if you Watch Loose, change it brings out a
[1:29:20] Speaker 3: lot of key points about nine to, eleven like why
[1:29:23] Speaker 3: would you leave the collapse of an entire building that
[1:29:28] Speaker 3: used to be where Mayor giuliani's office was.
[1:29:32] Speaker 2: Would why would that? Collapse you, know why is it
[1:29:36] Speaker 2: that eight years, earlier THE fbi helped a guid build
[1:29:41] Speaker 2: a bomb they put in the. Basement it blew, up
[1:29:43] Speaker 2: but it didn't knock the building, Down and it's public
[1:29:47] Speaker 2: record that THE fbi helped build that.
[1:29:49] Speaker 3: Bomb so you, know, yeah people can believe whatever they want,
[1:29:54] Speaker 3: to but we have a megal maniac government that, uh you,
[1:30:04] Speaker 3: know thinks things LIKE covid and and and all that
[1:30:07] Speaker 3: is that's just their job.
[1:30:09] Speaker 2: To do things like, that to control population or anything.
[1:30:12] Speaker 2: Else and, YEAH i think it's called taking the red
[1:30:17] Speaker 2: pill instead of the blue.
[1:30:18] Speaker 3: Pill is waking up to what's really going. On and
[1:30:21] Speaker 3: it's it's not all conspiracy. Theory it's a it's a
[1:30:25] Speaker 3: malevolent side of our government that has grown so big
[1:30:28] Speaker 3: and powerful that it's trying to kill it's trying to
[1:30:31] Speaker 3: kill another. President and when they didn't kill him and
[1:30:34] Speaker 3: they got him to line, up you, Know Charlie kirk
[1:30:38] Speaker 3: was the next voice in line that wasn't gonna keep
[1:30:42] Speaker 3: towing the, line and so they just got rid Of.
[1:30:45] Speaker 2: That's WHAT i.
[1:30:46] Speaker 1: Think, yeah, yeah we'll have to disagree on.
[1:30:50] Speaker 2: That, yeah we we should we should probably talk ABOUT.
[1:30:52] Speaker 1: I don't, know, MAN i just. DON'T i THINK i, think,
[1:30:56] Speaker 1: YEAH i think ARE i just YOU'RE i think you
[1:30:59] Speaker 1: have too much faith and the ability of our. Government
[1:31:01] Speaker 1: there's too many, morons you, know at every level to
[1:31:05] Speaker 1: let something like that go and IT i just don't.
[1:31:09] Speaker 1: KNOW i don't.
[1:31:09] Speaker 2: KNOW i Just i'm not saying everybody's.
[1:31:12] Speaker 1: INVOLVED i say, no, no, No but.
[1:31:15] Speaker 2: The, people the, people the regular people in THE, fbi
[1:31:17] Speaker 2: just like the regular people WHEN i was An air,
[1:31:19] Speaker 2: marshal the regular people getting up and doing the job every,
[1:31:22] Speaker 2: day are good.
[1:31:23] Speaker 3: People they're Good. Americans there's a malevolent higher. Echelon and
[1:31:28] Speaker 3: it's a. Fact you, know THE cia doesn't report to the,
[1:31:32] Speaker 3: president they don't have to report to, anybody and so
[1:31:37] Speaker 3: time and time, again.
[1:31:40] Speaker 2: You, know there's there's all these things that.
[1:31:43] Speaker 1: Did you believe this about The World Trade center when
[1:31:45] Speaker 1: you became An air marshal because that was after nine to, eleven.
[1:31:48] Speaker 2: Right absolutely.
[1:31:49] Speaker 3: NOT i had no idea that we would ever do
[1:31:53] Speaker 3: something like. That but if you Watch Loose, change if
[1:31:56] Speaker 3: you watched the original version of the Documentary Loose.
[1:32:00] Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that video has been. DEBUNKED i, mean
[1:32:03] Speaker 1: the problem with that is is that you can Provide
[1:32:06] Speaker 1: you can provide stuff that says one, thing and then
[1:32:09] Speaker 1: someone can provide something that says something. Else and then
[1:32:11] Speaker 1: it becomes which source do you? Believe Because i'm not
[1:32:14] Speaker 1: a structural, Engineer you're not a structural. Engineer we're still
[1:32:18] Speaker 1: taking our information from a third. Party so then it
[1:32:21] Speaker 1: becomes how trustworthy is that third? Party AND i just
[1:32:25] Speaker 1: think that YOU'RE i don't like your, sources, man for.
[1:32:28] Speaker 2: THAT i know what fertilizer will do in an, explosion.
[1:32:33] Speaker 1: Me, too, Dude i've got. Afghans i've seen the, eights you.
[1:32:37] Speaker 2: Know so go back and look at The federal building
[1:32:42] Speaker 2: In oklahoma and tell me that a truck packed with
[1:32:46] Speaker 2: fertilizer parked out on the street can dig that deep for.
[1:32:51] Speaker 1: Sure and it wasn't on the. Street i'm pretty sure
[1:32:53] Speaker 1: it was parked in the parking.
[1:32:54] Speaker 2: Garage it was parked right in front of the.
[1:32:56] Speaker 1: Building i'd have to go that. Again that's been so,
[1:33:01] Speaker 1: Long i'd have to go back and. Look but, YEAH
[1:33:02] Speaker 1: i thought it was in the parking.
[1:33:04] Speaker 3: Garage, yeah there used to be a video online that
[1:33:07] Speaker 3: they took. Off you, know they're suppressing so many things.
[1:33:11] Speaker 1: Who keep saying, They who's, they.
[1:33:15] Speaker 3: Whoever's behind, this whoever, power whoever has the power to
[1:33:20] Speaker 3: get the media to stop talking about.
[1:33:22] Speaker 5: Something anybody have that? Power oh, lord, man you, KNOW
[1:33:31] Speaker 5: i mean no one, stopping.
[1:33:34] Speaker 2: Even Even google And facebook. Suppress oh, Yeah and and
[1:33:40] Speaker 2: they take stuff the internet that doesn't support you, know their.
[1:33:45] Speaker 1: Agenda hundred. Percent that did, happen that's fully and not only,
[1:33:50] Speaker 1: that The White house did get involved in Suppressing american
[1:33:54] Speaker 1: speech that's come out during The biden. Administration that they
[1:33:56] Speaker 1: were they had liaisons with the different social media platforms
[1:34:01] Speaker 1: and they were basically telling them who to deplatform and. Stuff.
[1:34:05] Speaker 3: Yeah so when you asked me who they, Are when
[1:34:07] Speaker 3: you ask me who they, are you just said.
[1:34:09] Speaker 1: It, yeah but that's just they.
[1:34:13] Speaker 2: Are you're the people that are making that stuff, Happen
[1:34:15] Speaker 2: that's who they.
[1:34:16] Speaker 1: Are but that they for that is not the same
[1:34:20] Speaker 1: as the people that are like that would have approved
[1:34:24] Speaker 1: like attacking our own country on nine to. ELEVEN i,
[1:34:26] Speaker 1: mean there's. Decades What i'm saying is there's. DECADE i
[1:34:29] Speaker 1: just DON'T i don't buy into, it, MAN i, think
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: and mostly because mostly because our government is so, Incompetent
[1:34:34] Speaker 1: i've worked in the. GOVERNMENT i know so many people
[1:34:36] Speaker 1: at different levels that were IN i, mean we talked
[1:34:37] Speaker 1: about this, earlier about me and getting an officer in
[1:34:40] Speaker 1: charge of me that doesn't know what the hell they're talking.
[1:34:41] Speaker 1: About but you got to listen.
[1:34:42] Speaker 2: To if you Think Dick cheney was, incompetent if you
[1:34:47] Speaker 2: think that.
[1:34:49] Speaker 1: Group, no but he's not the guy that's running the whole.
[1:34:53] Speaker 1: Thing there has to be a team that puts these
[1:34:54] Speaker 1: things into place that makes and to pretend like like
[1:34:58] Speaker 1: that can't, Happen, LIKE i don't, know, man it's just too.
[1:35:01] Speaker 1: Much it's like the thing when you talk about, people
[1:35:04] Speaker 1: when people say that we haven't landed on the, Moon i'm,
[1:35:07] Speaker 1: like why would we? Not why would we lie about that?
[1:35:09] Speaker 1: One and to how would you get thousands of people
[1:35:12] Speaker 1: that would have to be involved to lie about it
[1:35:14] Speaker 1: like it's just not. Happening.
[1:35:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah Well i'm not saying that everything's a, lie
[1:35:20] Speaker 3: And i'm not saying that everything's a cover, up But
[1:35:23] Speaker 3: i'm saying those things don't pass the common sense test.
[1:35:26] Speaker 2: For, me and so people can believe whatever they want.
[1:35:29] Speaker 1: To, yeah, YEAH i. Enjoyed just so we just so we're,
[1:35:32] Speaker 1: Clear i'm enjoying this. Discussion i'm.
[1:35:35] Speaker 2: Not, yeah, yeah, yeah AND i know.
[1:35:36] Speaker 1: Too it's just it isn't WHERE i thought we'd be
[1:35:39] Speaker 1: going with this. Conversation but you, KNOW.
[1:35:41] Speaker 2: I just don't like talking about it. Publicly these are
[1:35:45] Speaker 2: my personal views on things that are very, controversial AND
[1:35:51] Speaker 2: i used to drink the kool. Aid LIKE i volunteer
[1:35:55] Speaker 2: to go back and participate in nine to eleven AND
[1:35:59] Speaker 2: i In afghanistan And africa and other. Places you, KNOW
[1:36:03] Speaker 2: i volunteered to do that as a.
[1:36:06] Speaker 3: Patriot but that doesn't mean that What i'm saying now isn't.
[1:36:12] Speaker 2: Right you, know both of those things can. Exist, yeah you,
[1:36:17] Speaker 2: KNOW i can be ignorant to what's really going. On,
[1:36:21] Speaker 2: look you, KNOW i did contracting for fifteen years after
[1:36:29] Speaker 2: my military, service AND i know enough about some of
[1:36:33] Speaker 2: the stuff we were doing that people wouldn't have been cool.
[1:36:37] Speaker 3: With, yeah and so there's a reason why you're not
[1:36:41] Speaker 3: allowed to talk about, things and the reason why there's this,
[1:36:45] Speaker 3: cloak you, know this culture that's. Created but, yeah, yeah it's,
[1:36:55] Speaker 3: uh it's a touchy subject AND i don't have any.
[1:36:59] Speaker 3: FAITH i think there's a real globalist, agenda and so
[1:37:04] Speaker 3: In america that's well armed And united cannot be. Conquered
[1:37:10] Speaker 3: so for the last thirty, Years i've watched that degrade
[1:37:13] Speaker 3: down to we're a third world. Country And i've spent
[1:37:17] Speaker 3: a lot of time in third world countries working for
[1:37:20] Speaker 3: the government and non, governmental And america right now is
[1:37:24] Speaker 3: a third world country when you've got millions of people
[1:37:28] Speaker 3: coming here illegally getting full, benefits and when you've got
[1:37:31] Speaker 3: politicians fighting for illegals to get full.
[1:37:34] Speaker 2: Benefits but The american patriots who.
[1:37:38] Speaker 3: Fought in war aren't and you don't have any congressmen
[1:37:42] Speaker 3: or senators fighting for.
[1:37:44] Speaker 2: Them nothing's changed in THE. Va nothing's really changed with.
[1:37:50] Speaker 3: Veterans but you, have you, know The Democratic, party Which
[1:37:57] Speaker 3: cheney and his daughter switched to.
[1:38:00] Speaker 2: Oddly, enough so that's become the. Party that's that's that's
[1:38:05] Speaker 2: running the show when when we talk about these kind of. Things, so, Yeah.
[1:38:12] Speaker 1: I'll be, Honest i've actually had decent care through THE.
[1:38:16] Speaker 1: VA i don't have medical. INSURANCE i use THE va as.
[1:38:19] Speaker 1: Mine and part of that is Because i'm here In San,
[1:38:23] Speaker 1: diego so there's like literally THREE va. HOSPITALS i THINK
[1:38:26] Speaker 1: i could choose from within twenty.
[1:38:27] Speaker 2: Miles i'm. Talking that's not What i'm talking. About Justin
[1:38:30] Speaker 2: i'm talking about if you're not one hundred, disabled you
[1:38:34] Speaker 2: can't get dental.
[1:38:35] Speaker 1: Care oh, yeah, yeah but if.
[1:38:38] Speaker 2: You're an illegal alien you. Can can you see. That
[1:38:41] Speaker 2: i'm trying to keep the mass. Simple, no come here
[1:38:44] Speaker 2: as a.
[1:38:44] Speaker 1: CRIMINAL i don't think that makes us a third world.
[1:38:46] Speaker 1: COUNTRY i think it puts our priorities are definitely fucked.
[1:38:49] Speaker 1: UP i agree with.
[1:38:50] Speaker 2: You giving you one.
[1:38:51] Speaker 3: Example a third world cutch is when people start shooting
[1:38:55] Speaker 3: at their. Presidents, yeah when the politicians are so. Corrupt
[1:39:00] Speaker 3: how many politicians are in office right now that came
[1:39:03] Speaker 3: there with no money and they have millions of. Dollars
[1:39:07] Speaker 3: now you tell me that's not. Corruption you don't become
[1:39:11] Speaker 3: a millionaire as a politician if you didn't show up that.
[1:39:15] Speaker 3: Way and almost everybody is a millionaire, now.
[1:39:19] Speaker 1: YEAH i Think Nancy pelosi's worth one hundred and forty million.
[1:39:22] Speaker 2: Dollars so that's the third world.
[1:39:23] Speaker 3: Country That's that's not What america was founding that. One
[1:39:27] Speaker 3: that's not who we. Are that's what we've, become and
[1:39:32] Speaker 3: it's people have just gotten used to it like that's
[1:39:36] Speaker 3: that's Not.
[1:39:36] Speaker 1: America, NO i agree with.
[1:39:38] Speaker 2: You we live in a.
[1:39:39] Speaker 3: Police we live in a police. STATE i can't drive,
[1:39:42] Speaker 3: ANYWHERE i can't go. ANYWHERE i can be monitored inside my,
[1:39:46] Speaker 3: house wherever they there's there's, there's there's no freedom.
[1:39:50] Speaker 2: Anymore you, know this is a police state.
[1:39:54] Speaker 3: And there's very little that we can do on our
[1:39:58] Speaker 3: own when you really think about.
[1:40:00] Speaker 1: IT i don't have as as a as a negative
[1:40:08] Speaker 1: outlook as you. DO i don't THINK i. DO i.
[1:40:11] Speaker 1: KNOW i was actually talking to you know you mentioned
[1:40:14] Speaker 1: the police state. THING i was talking to my buddy
[1:40:16] Speaker 1: the other day who's a police, officer and we were
[1:40:19] Speaker 1: talking about the flock cameras and he was, like, yeah
[1:40:22] Speaker 1: it's a really great. Tool you, know someone steals a,
[1:40:24] Speaker 1: car we can track it and find out exactly where it's.
[1:40:27] Speaker 1: At AND i was, like you, know the, issue, MAN
[1:40:29] Speaker 1: i was, like the issue is the average person doesn't
[1:40:31] Speaker 1: want the government to have the ability to track me,
[1:40:34] Speaker 1: wherever you, know because, yeah, okay, yeah you're only using
[1:40:38] Speaker 1: it for stolen, cars but it's.
[1:40:39] Speaker 2: Always public safety until they start using it for the other.
[1:40:42] Speaker 1: Stuff and we had a discussion about, that AND i
[1:40:45] Speaker 1: agree with you on some. Stuff some stuff like. That i'm,
[1:40:47] Speaker 1: like what are we doing you, know like that's kind of.
[1:40:49] Speaker 1: Crazy and LIKE i told, HIM i was, LIKE i
[1:40:51] Speaker 1: see both, sides, MAN i see your side where it's, like,
[1:40:53] Speaker 1: hey i'm legitimately as a police, Officer i'm trying to
[1:40:56] Speaker 1: recover this stolen, vehicle this kidnapped, child. WHATEVER i see,
[1:41:01] Speaker 1: that AND i understand where you're coming. From WHAT i
[1:41:03] Speaker 1: also see on the other side where people are, like,
[1:41:05] Speaker 1: yeah that's what you're using it. For but input any
[1:41:09] Speaker 1: nefarious actor that gets access to that information that can
[1:41:11] Speaker 1: track a vehicle across, town you know in real, time
[1:41:15] Speaker 1: what are they using it? For and so Again I'm
[1:41:18] Speaker 1: i'm with you on.
[1:41:19] Speaker 2: That you know what they can. Do you know what
[1:41:21] Speaker 2: they can do, now they can take over control of
[1:41:25] Speaker 2: your vehicle, now.
[1:41:27] Speaker 1: Well not if you don't have. One that's you, know
[1:41:29] Speaker 1: well again early two, thousands.
[1:41:31] Speaker 2: Jeep you know What i'm.
[1:41:34] Speaker 1: Saying, yeah, YEAH i mean your muddy in the. World, No,
[1:41:39] Speaker 1: no if.
[1:41:39] Speaker 2: Your, vehicles the new, vehicles the direction we're, going those
[1:41:43] Speaker 2: old vehicles are going to be grandfathered. Out they're. Not you.
[1:41:46] Speaker 3: Know the new way we're going is they can literally,
[1:41:50] Speaker 3: say for, example you know they think you've done something,
[1:41:53] Speaker 3: wrong they can have your, vehicle drive right to the police.
[1:41:55] Speaker 3: Station they can have it stop and pull over the
[1:41:58] Speaker 3: side of the road until a cop.
[1:41:59] Speaker 2: Comes they can have it drive off a cliff and
[1:42:01] Speaker 2: kill you if they want. To they can do that.
[1:42:05] Speaker 2: Now and that's Not. America that's not, Freedom and who's
[1:42:09] Speaker 2: fighting from. Happening it's a privilege to drive a. Vehicle
[1:42:15] Speaker 2: IF i go spend fifty thousand, dollars it's my privilege
[1:42:19] Speaker 2: to drive that. Vehicle nobody has the right to monitor
[1:42:22] Speaker 2: where that vehicle. Is that's something very new generation or something,
[1:42:28] Speaker 2: else but that in my generation and the people that raise.
[1:42:31] Speaker 2: Me that's Not. America that's not.
[1:42:33] Speaker 3: Freedom you have no fucking business knowing where my vehicle.
[1:42:37] Speaker 3: Is if you're a cop And i've admitted a, crime
[1:42:40] Speaker 3: then do your cop work and find. Me you don't
[1:42:43] Speaker 3: have the right to infrainge on my freedoms and everybody
[1:42:45] Speaker 3: else's just BECAUSE i might be a. Criminal you, know
[1:42:48] Speaker 3: that's the job of being a. Cop do your cop,
[1:42:50] Speaker 3: work you, know you, know you know cops are funny
[1:42:54] Speaker 3: because they're big on The First amendment And Second amendment
[1:42:59] Speaker 3: until they pull you up. Over, Now i've been pulled
[1:43:01] Speaker 3: over by cops where it's like me and you are
[1:43:03] Speaker 3: the same god, man we believe the same or, whatever
[1:43:06] Speaker 3: and they treat me like a fucking. Criminal and it's, like,
[1:43:10] Speaker 3: Man i'm trying to exercise my First amendment and second
[1:43:13] Speaker 3: mat it.
[1:43:13] Speaker 2: Right why wouldn't you support? That and for some reason
[1:43:17] Speaker 2: they seem to be the worst stirreds of allowing civilians
[1:43:23] Speaker 2: to exercise.
[1:43:25] Speaker 3: That it's you're made fun of for trying to stand
[1:43:29] Speaker 3: up for your constitutional rights or.
[1:43:32] Speaker 2: Whatever you see it all the, time you. Can you
[1:43:35] Speaker 2: can go on YouTube and watch one video after the
[1:43:38] Speaker 2: other of people who their rights are being stomped on
[1:43:42] Speaker 2: by people who are who personally are all about those.
[1:43:46] Speaker 3: RIGHTS i, mean almost every COP i know is big
[1:43:49] Speaker 3: on guns and big on free speech until they're at
[1:43:54] Speaker 3: work and they're dealing with An american who is not
[1:43:58] Speaker 3: convenient for them to allow that to. Happen it's a
[1:44:01] Speaker 3: lot easier for me to police you IF i just
[1:44:04] Speaker 3: fucking do WHATEVER i fucking want.
[1:44:06] Speaker 1: TO i would, say that's a case by. Case, unfortunately the,
[1:44:10] Speaker 1: unfortunately the videos that get the most view are the
[1:44:15] Speaker 1: ones where the cops are being the biggest dicks you.
[1:44:17] Speaker 1: Know AND i, think, honestly what has come out since
[1:44:20] Speaker 1: the you, know introduction of body cams is in most
[1:44:24] Speaker 1: cases we've seen that police officers are more professional than
[1:44:27] Speaker 1: people were letting on.
[1:44:31] Speaker 2: Now that IF i IF i put a camera on,
[1:44:34] Speaker 2: you you're going to change your. Behavior like that's you,
[1:44:37] Speaker 2: Know i'm not saying all cops are. BAD i was a.
[1:44:41] Speaker 2: Cop i'm not saying.
[1:44:42] Speaker 3: That i'm saying there's a systemic problem with how we're
[1:44:48] Speaker 3: policing Free, americans and there's an inherent problem of how.
[1:44:54] Speaker 2: We're supporting and taking care of illegal. People so you
[1:45:00] Speaker 2: got law, biding tax paying people that are being stripped
[1:45:03] Speaker 2: of the rights and treated a certain, way and you
[1:45:06] Speaker 2: got people that are criminals that.
[1:45:08] Speaker 3: Are here illegal that are getting the red carpet. Treatment
[1:45:11] Speaker 3: if anybody doesn't see that's a, problem, OH i Think
[1:45:17] Speaker 3: i'll Never we'll never see A.
[1:45:19] Speaker 1: I think the red carpet treatment has. ENDED i THINK
[1:45:22] Speaker 1: i don't think they're getting red carpet treatment. Anymore that
[1:45:26] Speaker 1: now now it's LIKE i think this is the longest
[1:45:32] Speaker 1: period the LAST i think the LAST i think the
[1:45:35] Speaker 1: last six, months there have been zero people released into THE.
[1:45:38] Speaker 1: Us where before, YOU i mean we all saw. It
[1:45:40] Speaker 1: there was a point where there was like ten thousand
[1:45:42] Speaker 1: people a. Day it was pretty. Crazy And i'm right
[1:45:45] Speaker 1: here In San, diego so literally probably twenty minutes maybe
[1:45:49] Speaker 1: thirty minutes from here at. Most there's a gap in
[1:45:52] Speaker 1: the border wall up BY i think up By, alpine
[1:45:56] Speaker 1: and we had in one year you're Under. BIDEN i
[1:46:02] Speaker 1: think it WAS i have to double check this. Number
[1:46:04] Speaker 1: it was either twenty five or fifty thousand Illegal chinese
[1:46:07] Speaker 1: immigrants and just that one, crossing And i'm, like this is.
[1:46:10] Speaker 1: Crazy and there's video here of like the border patrol
[1:46:14] Speaker 1: just dropping them off at the bus station and then
[1:46:16] Speaker 1: these like basically private, drivers Like chinese drivers coming and
[1:46:20] Speaker 1: picking them, up And i'm, like this is what are we?
[1:46:23] Speaker 1: Doing and So i'm on that. Front i'm with, you.
[1:46:25] Speaker 1: MAN i thought that whole thing was. FUCKED i was,
[1:46:28] Speaker 1: like this is, crazy and the people that were arguing against,
[1:46:31] Speaker 1: It i'm, like you, know you know you it seems
[1:46:35] Speaker 1: like the person that's going to argue against stopping this
[1:46:38] Speaker 1: is also the person that's going to, say, hey housing
[1:46:41] Speaker 1: is there's two shortage of. Housing housing costs are too,
[1:46:44] Speaker 1: High hey there's pay is too. Low we're, getting you,
[1:46:48] Speaker 1: know screwed on our. Pay And i'm, like you realize
[1:46:50] Speaker 1: you're supporting a group millions of people coming. In what
[1:46:53] Speaker 1: do you think that does to the cost of, housing you,
[1:46:55] Speaker 1: know the supply of. Housing they're not going to the richest,
[1:46:57] Speaker 1: Neighborhoods they're going into the most affordable that Other americans
[1:47:01] Speaker 1: are now having to compete. With that's, why that's not the,
[1:47:04] Speaker 1: reason but part of a reason of why these prices
[1:47:07] Speaker 1: have gone up for. That why do you think that
[1:47:09] Speaker 1: some jobs aren't getting paid what they should be. Paid,
[1:47:12] Speaker 1: well you have a whole stream of people coming in
[1:47:14] Speaker 1: that'll work a little bit cheaper than the next, guy
[1:47:16] Speaker 1: the previous, guy and if there's another guy that's going
[1:47:18] Speaker 1: to replace him as soon as this guy fucks up or,
[1:47:20] Speaker 1: whatever see you. LATER i got this other guy coming
[1:47:22] Speaker 1: in that's going to do it for the same price or.
[1:47:24] Speaker 1: Less why WOULD i hire An american for twenty dollars
[1:47:26] Speaker 1: an hour WHEN i can hire this guy for ten or,
[1:47:28] Speaker 1: less you, Know, Like and it's so to. ME i
[1:47:32] Speaker 1: could never understand these people that were arguing for this
[1:47:35] Speaker 1: just unfettered illegal. Immigration And i'm fully of the belief
[1:47:39] Speaker 1: that THE us needs, immigrants but we also need to have.
[1:47:43] Speaker 1: Them we also need to know who they, are and
[1:47:45] Speaker 1: it has to be an orderly. Process we should know
[1:47:47] Speaker 1: who's coming in the, country and they should be a
[1:47:49] Speaker 1: net benefit to the. Country and to pretend like the
[1:47:53] Speaker 1: millions and millions of people that came across in the
[1:47:55] Speaker 1: last few years were both of those things is. Ridiculous
[1:48:00] Speaker 1: i'm with you on.
[1:48:01] Speaker 2: That we can agree on. That so you're you're you're
[1:48:04] Speaker 2: on my side of the page on.
[1:48:06] Speaker 1: That, yeah, YEAH i Think i'm on your. SIDE i
[1:48:11] Speaker 1: Think i'm on your side for some. Things But i'm also,
[1:48:15] Speaker 1: Man i'm VERY i don't. KNOW I i'm Not i'm.
[1:48:20] Speaker 1: One i'm not gonna be definitive on most things BECAUSE
[1:48:24] Speaker 1: i don't understand most. Things like if we wanted, to
[1:48:26] Speaker 1: like IF i knew we were going to have a
[1:48:27] Speaker 1: discussion About epstein or, WHATEVER i would have done like
[1:48:30] Speaker 1: a deep dive SO i could have spoken more intelligently about,
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: it BECAUSE i know wavetop. Stuff, Yeah i've dug into some,
[1:48:38] Speaker 1: stock BUT i know SO i think at the end
[1:48:42] Speaker 1: of the, day on that subject, specifically what it comes
[1:48:46] Speaker 1: down to, IS i think if there's any perpetrators that
[1:48:48] Speaker 1: are still out, there any predators that are flying around
[1:48:50] Speaker 1: out there and doing their own. Thing then the victims
[1:48:53] Speaker 1: need to come out and name. Them you don't wait
[1:48:54] Speaker 1: on the don't wait on the court or the governments
[1:48:56] Speaker 1: to do. It come, out name, them shame. Them there's
[1:48:59] Speaker 1: a million TEA i would love to have you. On
[1:49:01] Speaker 1: you'd be the highest RATED tv show of all time
[1:49:03] Speaker 1: if you came on and just started naming. Stuff if
[1:49:06] Speaker 1: you're not going to do, that then how can we help.
[1:49:08] Speaker 1: You there's no way we can help you if You're
[1:49:10] Speaker 1: if you're not willing to come out and name. Stuff
[1:49:11] Speaker 1: that's HOW i feel on.
[1:49:12] Speaker 3: That if if the people that they're going to name
[1:49:17] Speaker 3: control The department Of, justice why would.
[1:49:20] Speaker 1: They, again The american public will see you're not going
[1:49:25] Speaker 1: to be so blind to. That if we saw someone
[1:49:28] Speaker 1: that comes out and today they, go, HEY i was a.
[1:49:31] Speaker 1: Victim here is my list of people THAT i know
[1:49:34] Speaker 1: for sure were part of, this and this is what they,
[1:49:37] Speaker 1: did and they list all that stuff. Out the government
[1:49:39] Speaker 1: can't just come swoop them up the next day and be, like,
[1:49:41] Speaker 1: well you're going to jail.
[1:49:43] Speaker 2: The one, girl the one girl that did that committed.
[1:49:46] Speaker 2: Suicide yeah she, did and there's maybe those other girls
[1:49:51] Speaker 2: don't want to commit. SUICIDE i don't.
[1:49:54] Speaker 1: Well her family has come. Out her family has come
[1:49:58] Speaker 1: out and said that she committed. Suicide and also with her,
[1:50:01] Speaker 1: story if you go back the lawyer that she had
[1:50:05] Speaker 1: when she first came out with this, story her story
[1:50:07] Speaker 1: has changed multiple times as. Well so that's something people
[1:50:10] Speaker 1: don't want to talk about because it's a, victim you,
[1:50:13] Speaker 1: Know but go back and look at her story over
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: the last, decade her story has changed multiple times as.
[1:50:18] Speaker 1: Well and that was part of the reason why she
[1:50:21] Speaker 1: kind of pulled away from the whole of being wanted
[1:50:23] Speaker 1: to be involved in. It was because some of the
[1:50:26] Speaker 1: stuff she said at the beginning was. Lies and, yeah.
[1:50:31] Speaker 5: That may.
[1:50:32] Speaker 1: Again i'm not saying that there's no victims.
[1:50:33] Speaker 2: Here. True there may be a few lies in some
[1:50:37] Speaker 2: of those victims that may be, True BUT i can't
[1:50:40] Speaker 2: dismiss all the other evidence Against Pam bondy and. Everybody,
[1:50:44] Speaker 2: yeah for, sure all this, list all these, videos all
[1:50:48] Speaker 2: this stuff's going to come. Out trump said it was
[1:50:51] Speaker 2: going to come, out and then when it was time
[1:50:54] Speaker 2: to do, it there's nothing to see. Here. Man it's,
[1:50:58] Speaker 2: Like i'm not that fucking.
[1:50:59] Speaker 1: Stick the problem is the. Problem part of the problem
[1:51:02] Speaker 1: is is there's so many fucking stories out there that
[1:51:06] Speaker 1: and it's so there's, Dude i've heard everything From i've
[1:51:10] Speaker 1: heard everything from you, Know trump's directly, involved and this
[1:51:14] Speaker 1: and this and, this and Then i've also, heard, oh
[1:51:16] Speaker 1: yeah he was a he was actually working as a
[1:51:20] Speaker 1: fucking like not, undercover.
[1:51:24] Speaker 2: You, know an.
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: Informant, yeah he was working as an. Informant i've heard
[1:51:28] Speaker 1: everything in. Between and again, again it's all the problem with.
[1:51:32] Speaker 1: This until we get the actual information from people that
[1:51:34] Speaker 1: were directly, involved all of this is third. Party we're
[1:51:38] Speaker 1: not getting anything that's not it's all third party. Information you, Know.
[1:51:41] Speaker 2: Well.
[1:51:44] Speaker 3: We're not going to get anything because the people are
[1:51:46] Speaker 3: too powerful and we're not going to get. Anything you,
[1:51:49] Speaker 3: know the was that prince Over anglin or whatever that's
[1:51:54] Speaker 3: been denounced and whatever over all.
[1:51:56] Speaker 1: This you, know he's no longer part of the royal family, now,
[1:51:59] Speaker 1: Right so why so if.
[1:52:01] Speaker 2: There's nothing to all, this then why did that happen to?
[1:52:04] Speaker 1: HIM i Don't i'm not saying that there's nothing to.
[1:52:07] Speaker 1: IT i just don't think IT'S i DON'T i don't
[1:52:09] Speaker 1: think IT'S i don't. Know that's the, problem and that's
[1:52:13] Speaker 1: part of the problem is because they are not releasing more. Information,
[1:52:16] Speaker 1: WELL i know what you.
[1:52:17] Speaker 2: KNOW i raised, kids AND i know what, teenagers how
[1:52:20] Speaker 2: they act when they.
[1:52:21] Speaker 3: Lie and you, know people are people are predictable if
[1:52:24] Speaker 3: you pay. Attention and you, KNOW i WATCHED i was
[1:52:28] Speaker 3: a big supporter Of trump and and AND i changed
[1:52:33] Speaker 3: because my loyalty isn't to. Him my loyalty is To
[1:52:38] Speaker 3: america and Making america a great. Place and, uh he's
[1:52:43] Speaker 3: had an opportunity to do. That and the only REASON
[1:52:46] Speaker 3: i can think of that he wouldn't release everything.
[1:52:51] Speaker 2: To satisfy what the people want is because he's his
[1:52:59] Speaker 2: hands are.
[1:52:59] Speaker 3: Dirty and and it doesn't matter if it was a
[1:53:03] Speaker 3: co worker at, work or if it's a president of
[1:53:06] Speaker 3: The United states or some guy over.
[1:53:08] Speaker 2: HERE a person that acts like that is acting.
[1:53:12] Speaker 3: Guilty you're behaving. Guilty you're doing the opposite of what
[1:53:17] Speaker 3: innocent people do in this scenario time and time and time.
[1:53:22] Speaker 2: Again so.
[1:53:25] Speaker 3: A, victim some teenage girl that's now grown that may
[1:53:29] Speaker 3: have the story one way and, whatever that's one. Thing
[1:53:32] Speaker 3: but an elected, official somebody that can influence the, nation
[1:53:38] Speaker 3: a true leader has to be held to a standard
[1:53:41] Speaker 3: where they can't keep changing their story every week until
[1:53:45] Speaker 3: the narrative is so.
[1:53:47] Speaker 2: Confusing so.
[1:53:48] Speaker 3: Broad there's so many different, versions and they keep adding
[1:53:52] Speaker 3: all the you, know the next, thing we, know you, Know.
[1:53:54] Speaker 2: Charlie, shott and and then there's, this and there's. That
[1:53:57] Speaker 2: there's all these.
[1:53:58] Speaker 3: Distractions but almost, Instantly Charlie kirk was told not to
[1:54:04] Speaker 3: talk About epstein. Anymore everybody he reached, Out they reached
[1:54:08] Speaker 3: out to a lot of those, podcasters called some people,
[1:54:13] Speaker 3: personally the news quit talking About. Epstein you had to
[1:54:18] Speaker 3: go on podcast to hear anything about him. Anymore, yeah
[1:54:24] Speaker 3: that's a that's a cover up to, me That's, uh
[1:54:26] Speaker 3: if there's nothing to, hide then let's do. It let's you,
[1:54:31] Speaker 3: know we're all not a bunch of, idiots and so
[1:54:34] Speaker 3: they're not gonna do, that and you know that's all
[1:54:40] Speaker 3: the PROOF i.
[1:54:41] Speaker 1: Need, yeah, yeah, again it's. Crazy the whole situation is.
[1:54:45] Speaker 1: Crazy so, well, dude we're at almost two.
[1:54:50] Speaker 3: Hours SO i had no idea we were gonna spend
[1:54:53] Speaker 3: this much time on them BECAUSE I i'm really not
[1:54:56] Speaker 3: that interested in talking about any of.
[1:54:58] Speaker 1: That i'm gonna have to put a preface at the
[1:54:59] Speaker 1: beginning and be like about halfway, through we take a
[1:55:02] Speaker 1: little detour down the Government. Lane, Yeah, no it's. Cool. Man, hey,
[1:55:10] Speaker 1: AGAIN i like hearing everybody's kind of opinion on it
[1:55:13] Speaker 1: because it'll Make i'll probably go back and research some
[1:55:15] Speaker 1: of this stuff BECAUSE i don't, AGAIN i don't. KNOW
[1:55:17] Speaker 1: i don't know the answers to some of the some
[1:55:19] Speaker 1: of the questions because like most, PEOPLE i have my
[1:55:22] Speaker 1: own life That i'm dealing with and everything else THAT
[1:55:24] Speaker 1: i can't keep up with all of. It but, YEAH i,
[1:55:28] Speaker 1: MEAN i think it's good to have different kinds of
[1:55:31] Speaker 1: opinions on different people with different points of. View obviously
[1:55:34] Speaker 1: we disagree on a bunch of stuff. There we agree
[1:55:37] Speaker 1: on some of this stuff as, well and there's nothing
[1:55:40] Speaker 1: wrong with. That so we obviously we missed about half
[1:55:44] Speaker 1: your career. Here we didn't even really get into contracting at.
[1:55:47] Speaker 1: All or, DUDE i really wanted to get into talking
[1:55:50] Speaker 1: About africa and what you did With Special Forces group
[1:55:53] Speaker 1: there because it sounded like a lot of cool. Things
[1:55:55] Speaker 1: but we'll have to set up another interview down the
[1:55:58] Speaker 1: road and come back or out on that if you want.
[1:56:00] Speaker 3: To, yeah, Yeah i'd love, to if, uh if you, want,
[1:56:04] Speaker 3: SURE i definitely always try, to you, know speak to you,
[1:56:12] Speaker 3: know the two four and two Five marines And ramadi
[1:56:15] Speaker 3: AND o. Four WHEN i was, THERE i always liked
[1:56:18] Speaker 3: to bring them up and send some love out and
[1:56:22] Speaker 3: some respect out to those.
[1:56:23] Speaker 2: Guys and but, yeah we could talk again about that in.
[1:56:27] Speaker 2: General mattison And.
[1:56:29] Speaker 3: Africa you, know the thing With africa, was you, know
[1:56:32] Speaker 3: WHEN i first got, there there was a deaf, kid you,
[1:56:34] Speaker 3: know and he had his ears covered.
[1:56:37] Speaker 2: Up all the.
[1:56:37] Speaker 3: Time and WHEN i found out that he couldn't, hear you,
[1:56:42] Speaker 3: KNOW i was dealing with all the physicians and things
[1:56:45] Speaker 3: and In, Swaziland, africa and SO i had rapport with.
[1:56:49] Speaker 3: Them SO i talked to one of, them, uh ear
[1:56:52] Speaker 3: nose and Throat god if he would check this kid.
[1:56:55] Speaker 2: Out and SO i kind of took this kid.
[1:56:58] Speaker 3: Under my wing and and the team was paying his
[1:57:01] Speaker 3: father to wash our vehicles and you, know supplementing his.
[1:57:06] Speaker 3: Income and his mother was about ready to have her
[1:57:10] Speaker 3: ninth or tenth or eleventh, kid and she was having.
[1:57:12] Speaker 3: Complications AND i was a new young eighteen delta AND
[1:57:16] Speaker 3: i wanted to go down there and save her and the.
[1:57:18] Speaker 3: Baby and you, know the upper leadership because of you,
[1:57:22] Speaker 3: know political, concerns legal.
[1:57:25] Speaker 2: Concerns you, know we weren't there doing a.
[1:57:27] Speaker 3: Medcap we were there doing, training and SO i wasn't
[1:57:30] Speaker 3: allowed to go into the local village and.
[1:57:33] Speaker 2: Help and it was embarrassing to me to to tell
[1:57:37] Speaker 2: this boy and his, father you, know THAT i couldn't go,
[1:57:39] Speaker 2: help and that that that that that was really upsetting to.
[1:57:44] Speaker 2: Me and so that was that was kind of a
[1:57:47] Speaker 2: turning point WHERE i, thought, well Maybe i'm not in
[1:57:51] Speaker 2: the right. Place, so you, know you talked about how
[1:57:53] Speaker 2: MUCH i bounced, around and it was, like you, know
[1:57:55] Speaker 2: WHEN i went and did things whatever they, advertised it was,
[1:57:58] Speaker 2: like that's WHAT i want to. Do and so a
[1:58:00] Speaker 2: lot of times when you get there and you get
[1:58:02] Speaker 2: on the other, side what they advertise is and what
[1:58:06] Speaker 2: you get and that can be a. Disappointment and so
[1:58:10] Speaker 2: that that happened a few times in my, career and
[1:58:13] Speaker 2: that was WHY i would move on to something.
[1:58:16] Speaker 3: Else it's, like, well this isn't what y'all said it,
[1:58:18] Speaker 3: was and So i'm going to move on and keep
[1:58:22] Speaker 3: searching UNTIL i find the right. Place and AND i
[1:58:25] Speaker 3: did that in two thousand and four with being original
[1:58:28] Speaker 3: member Of Triple Canopy Team miami And.
[1:58:31] Speaker 2: RAMADI i found. It it was just that wasn't. Sustainable
[1:58:35] Speaker 2: you know that team wasn't going to stay a team
[1:58:37] Speaker 2: for ten or twenty. Years you know That ramadi wasn't
[1:58:40] Speaker 2: going to Stay ramadi for ten or twenty. Years so you,
[1:58:43] Speaker 2: know it's just you learn those things and and and
[1:58:47] Speaker 2: get wiser over time as a result of.
[1:58:50] Speaker 1: Them i've definitely told guys that were looking at moving
[1:58:53] Speaker 1: into contracting after the, Military guys That i've talked to
[1:58:57] Speaker 1: that were considering, That i'm, Like i'm, like, hey, man
[1:59:00] Speaker 1: not a bad. Option you can make some good money doing,
[1:59:02] Speaker 1: That but what's the career? There you, know, like how
[1:59:06] Speaker 1: long are those contracts gonna? Last how? Long i'm, like
[1:59:09] Speaker 1: that's cool if you want to do, it and you
[1:59:13] Speaker 1: can speak on, this BUT i like to tell people, like,
[1:59:16] Speaker 1: man maybe two or three, years save yourself up a
[1:59:18] Speaker 1: good nest egg and then come back and use YOUR
[1:59:20] Speaker 1: gi bill benefits and go to school and do something.
[1:59:22] Speaker 1: Else because contracting is. Contracting that contract can end at any,
[1:59:27] Speaker 1: time and then you, know and then you Gotta that's
[1:59:31] Speaker 1: NOT i thought, up. Dude WHEN i got out of The,
[1:59:33] Speaker 1: MARINES i was a j tach. EVALUATOR i was getting
[1:59:36] Speaker 1: hit up for contracts for overseas contracts for a bunch of,
[1:59:40] Speaker 1: stuff And i'm, like, man you, know like one of
[1:59:44] Speaker 1: my reasons of getting out IS i want to spend
[1:59:45] Speaker 1: more time with my. Kid you, KNOW i can't be
[1:59:48] Speaker 1: going and doing. Contracting like the money is, awesome but it's,
[1:59:51] Speaker 1: like what's the end state? Here you, know BECAUSE i
[1:59:53] Speaker 1: was planning on going to. College i'm, like, well AM
[1:59:55] Speaker 1: i gonna put that off for four more?
[1:59:56] Speaker 2: Years?
[2:00:00] Speaker 1: OH i THINK i lost. Him, WELL i THINK i
[2:00:02] Speaker 1: might have just lost. Him if that's the, case it
[2:00:04] Speaker 1: is what it, Is so make sure to check out
[2:00:07] Speaker 1: my Website jcreamergraphics dot. Com My instagram Is Former Action,
[2:00:11] Speaker 1: Guys Former Action. News and this was an interesting, conversation
[2:00:14] Speaker 1: so it'd be cool to have him back on and
[2:00:17] Speaker 1: we'll get into more of.
[2:00:18] Speaker 4: It

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