# Clip 041 | MARSOC DET 1 Snipers in Iraq | John Dailey

An episode of [Former Action Guys Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1475060182), 10 Sep 2024, 19 min.

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John Dailey is a former member of the experimental MARSOC Detachment 1 who was hand selected to create the Marine Raider sniper program. Prior to Det 1, John served with the 3rd Battalion 7th Marines Surveillance and Target Acquisition platoon and 1st Force Recon Battalion. This video is sponsored by Southern New Hampshire University. Click the link to learn more about their benefits for active duty service members, veterans, and spouses! https://www.snhu.edu/formeractionguys Support the show https://www.patreon.com/formeractionguys https://www.jcramergraphics.com https://www.ANGLICOshop.com John's site https://www.jadailey.com/ 00:00:00 Intro 00:04:39 Setting Up the Urban Hide Site 00:09:03 Adapting to Patterns of Life Changes 00:12:12 Urban Hide Site Security 00:14:07 Lessons Learned 00:17:12 MARSOC Det 1 Sniper Rifles

## Transcript

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[1:27] Speaker 2: We did have a couple of opportunities to do some
[1:31] Speaker 2: kind of longer duration sniper coalition support operations.
[1:36] Speaker 3: I led one in the Joff in two.
[1:39] Speaker 2: Thousand and four, which just the other this past week
[1:42] Speaker 2: was the twentieth anniversary of the Battle in a Jaff,
[1:45] Speaker 2: which seems seems wild to me, but yeah, and that
[1:50] Speaker 2: was a you know, opportunity to reflect back on all
[1:56] Speaker 2: of the skills that I was teaching guys in the
[1:58] Speaker 2: Urban Sniper Corps and put them all to use, you know,
[2:02] Speaker 2: it wasn't uh uh and and validate in some cases,
[2:06] Speaker 2: you know, unvalidate things that I thought we were right.
[2:09] Speaker 2: But it was a really unique opportunity. And you know,
[2:14] Speaker 2: I was we were thinking back to you know, big
[2:17] Speaker 2: urban sniper battles had really not occurred since like Leningrad,
[2:21] Speaker 2: you know, Stalingrad. So it was thinking back to things
[2:24] Speaker 2: that we'd read snipers that we'd read about back then,
[2:27] Speaker 2: and saying, hey, let's try this out, Let's try these
[2:30] Speaker 2: things out. And so it was a that was a
[2:32] Speaker 2: really cool uh time.
[2:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Najaff is interesting because people don't really talk
[2:38] Speaker 1: about that place very much. It's not like one of
[2:40] Speaker 1: the big names like Ramadi, Fellujah, you know, bagged out.
[2:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, it happened. It happened right before Fallujah.
[2:47] Speaker 2: So I think that's that's probably why the Fellujah was
[2:51] Speaker 2: kicking off, you know, as that was ending, and it
[2:54] Speaker 2: wound up not not being as big of a fight
[2:59] Speaker 2: as it could have been because largely due to the
[3:02] Speaker 2: Special Operations sniper teams, you know, of which we were apart,
[3:05] Speaker 2: but the Seals had sniper teams there, the Army SF,
[3:09] Speaker 2: their coalition partners, the Polish were really big, and we
[3:14] Speaker 2: were able to move in and kind of ring the
[3:19] Speaker 2: big mosque in the job, while the Italian landing team
[3:24] Speaker 2: one four, I believe, was off in the cemetery, the
[3:29] Speaker 2: biggest cemetery in the world, this massive, insanely man almost
[3:35] Speaker 2: like a little city with tunnels and tombs and you know,
[3:40] Speaker 2: narrow passageways and things like that, and there was some
[3:43] Speaker 2: intense fighting in that, but the bulk of the at
[3:47] Speaker 2: least the brains of the of the outfit, the Mahdi Army,
[3:52] Speaker 2: were located inside the mosque.
[3:55] Speaker 3: And because the mosque.
[3:57] Speaker 2: Was the the third holiest site for it's like absolutely
[4:02] Speaker 2: could not be damaged.
[4:03] Speaker 3: So the because of that, there.
[4:05] Speaker 2: Was only precision fires allowed kind of been a like
[4:08] Speaker 2: a ten block radius of that, and so we were,
[4:12] Speaker 2: like I said, sniper's primarily were allowed, and we were
[4:16] Speaker 2: able to over the course of a couple of weeks
[4:19] Speaker 2: trip a large percentage of the.
[4:23] Speaker 3: At least the leadership of the force.
[4:25] Speaker 2: And and that ultimately left led to them kind of
[4:30] Speaker 2: turning their weapons in and and quit in the fight.
[4:33] Speaker 1: That's a very clean way of saying that he went
[4:35] Speaker 1: out and sniped a bunch of dudes trip their leadership
[4:39] Speaker 1: in the book, he said, when they brought you guys in,
[4:42] Speaker 1: they they allowed obviously more flexibility, but they also warned you, like, hey,
[4:47] Speaker 1: if you go beyond this point, you're kind of on
[4:49] Speaker 1: your own. You know, you have to be extremely careful.
[4:53] Speaker 1: Can you kind of explain that? And I mean, how
[4:55] Speaker 1: do you how do you set yourself up in an
[4:58] Speaker 1: urban area like that one getting identified? You know what
[5:04] Speaker 1: I'm saying, It's very easy. Like people in their mind
[5:06] Speaker 1: they see like sniper movies or whatever, and it's like
[5:09] Speaker 1: a guy got into the house and he set up
[5:11] Speaker 1: the little cloth and he you know, set up in
[5:12] Speaker 1: the window and he's ready to go. The reality is
[5:15] Speaker 1: you got to take over someone's compound and then do
[5:18] Speaker 1: all this set up without anyone around knowing. And that's
[5:22] Speaker 1: not an easy task. So how do you how did
[5:24] Speaker 1: you make that happen?
[5:26] Speaker 2: So in this case, the city was largely empty, right,
[5:31] Speaker 2: all of the non combatants had fled, which which helped
[5:35] Speaker 2: out immensely. So we were able to jump in the
[5:38] Speaker 2: back of a bradley and have the army, you know,
[5:41] Speaker 2: the one seven I think cavalry drive us up as
[5:45] Speaker 2: far as they were permitted to go and they dropped
[5:49] Speaker 2: us off, and that's that's kind of what they told us.
[5:51] Speaker 2: They're like, hey man, we can't go any further than this,
[5:54] Speaker 2: so if you guys get hit, you know, make your
[5:56] Speaker 2: way back here. So we did this, of course night,
[6:00] Speaker 2: middle of the night, and you know, let them move
[6:03] Speaker 2: off and then just kind of made our way on
[6:05] Speaker 2: foot to uh, you know, you would use satellite imagure
[6:08] Speaker 2: to pick out a big building, and there weren't a
[6:13] Speaker 2: ton of really tall buildings. You know, it's always it's
[6:16] Speaker 2: a mistake to get into the highest point of the
[6:18] Speaker 2: highest building because that's the obviously the most likely place
[6:21] Speaker 2: for a sniper to be. But you want you to
[6:24] Speaker 2: obviously need to be somewhere high enough that gives you
[6:26] Speaker 2: good advantage points. So we picked a building that looked
[6:31] Speaker 2: like it had been a hotel or an apartment building.
[6:34] Speaker 2: It was largely empty, but we we.
[6:37] Speaker 3: Moved into that.
[6:38] Speaker 2: And the thing that you you don't really think about
[6:40] Speaker 2: is you've got to clear you know, every single floor
[6:43] Speaker 2: of this building as you go up, which is uh,
[6:46] Speaker 2: you know, time consuming and tiring, right, So we spent
[6:49] Speaker 2: half a night, you know, just clear in this building,
[6:51] Speaker 2: making sure that it was it was secure up to
[6:55] Speaker 2: the top and then you know, figuring out ways to
[6:57] Speaker 2: put like earn early warning devices down below, and then
[7:01] Speaker 2: from the roof. Myself and another marine moved up onto
[7:05] Speaker 2: the roof again at night just to get the opportunity
[7:10] Speaker 2: to uh be there when the sun came up to
[7:13] Speaker 2: see the see what was going on.
[7:15] Speaker 3: And you know, roofs are tricky to shoot from. You know,
[7:19] Speaker 3: you you.
[7:20] Speaker 2: You know, if you're not in the tallest building, then
[7:22] Speaker 2: obviously there's room for somebody to look down on you
[7:25] Speaker 2: and you're you're relatively exposed. So in this case, the
[7:28] Speaker 2: roof had a like a lip, you know, a pretty
[7:31] Speaker 2: pretty tall lip on it with with uh little drainage
[7:35] Speaker 2: holes knocked out. They were were pretty well suited for
[7:38] Speaker 2: us to be able to see what we needed to
[7:40] Speaker 2: see and remain pretty well concealed. And uh you know
[7:45] Speaker 2: when the while we were doing that, our marines were
[7:47] Speaker 2: the rest of the team were down in the rooms
[7:50] Speaker 2: below doing doing that setting up urban hides, all right,
[7:55] Speaker 2: so you know, find them a way to get far
[7:58] Speaker 2: enough back in the room where your your muscles not
[8:00] Speaker 2: sticking out, somebody can't see you back in the shadows
[8:03] Speaker 2: these rooms, you know, in a perfect world, we would
[8:06] Speaker 2: have had curtains to observe through or shoot through. But
[8:11] Speaker 2: there were no curtains in any of the structures, so
[8:15] Speaker 2: you really couldn't add your own, right, So it really
[8:20] Speaker 2: just came down to setting up the best position that
[8:22] Speaker 2: we could and then you know, being you know, picking
[8:28] Speaker 2: from there, picking the next position.
[8:30] Speaker 3: So we would move every night, you know, to another
[8:32] Speaker 3: another building. Uh.
[8:34] Speaker 2: Ultimately we got to about a block and a half
[8:36] Speaker 2: from the mosque and we're able to Hyeah, Like I said,
[8:41] Speaker 2: take care of a lot of targets in and around
[8:44] Speaker 2: it that you know, led to a pretty successful operation.
[8:48] Speaker 1: How did that work?
[8:49] Speaker 2: Though?
[8:49] Speaker 1: I mean, so what are the ro o s in
[8:51] Speaker 1: that kind of situation? Or do you have like do
[8:55] Speaker 1: you have like a list of individuals that you're looking
[8:57] Speaker 1: for with like imagery so you know who they are?
[8:59] Speaker 1: Or or are you looking just for you know, so
[9:02] Speaker 1: called nefarious activities? Like how does and before you shoot,
[9:06] Speaker 1: are you as a guy on the roof and you
[9:08] Speaker 1: see something, can you just shoot? Or are you requesting
[9:11] Speaker 1: permission every time?
[9:12] Speaker 3: You know?
[9:12] Speaker 1: Like how does that work?
[9:14] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[9:14] Speaker 2: In this situation, like I said, the bulk of what
[9:17] Speaker 2: we considered non combatants were expected to be gone.
[9:20] Speaker 3: So there's a a term that's like a legal term.
[9:26] Speaker 2: I guess when an area or a target site or
[9:29] Speaker 2: whatever it is declared hostile, that there's you can shoot
[9:33] Speaker 2: anybody without provocation. And this anybody in and around the
[9:40] Speaker 2: mosque was declared hostile. I nearly nearly everybody was, you know,
[9:47] Speaker 2: walking around there was carrying a weapon. You know, not
[9:50] Speaker 2: all of them, but you know, for the most part
[9:52] Speaker 2: they were, and anybody who is you know, walking around
[9:57] Speaker 2: was it was pretty easy to identify that they were
[10:02] Speaker 2: up to no good.
[10:03] Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, So.
[10:04] Speaker 2: There wasn't there wasn't a requirement to notify anybody or
[10:08] Speaker 2: ask for permission. We just had the opportunity to engage
[10:12] Speaker 2: as targets presented themselves.
[10:14] Speaker 1: As that as you know, has that happened? How did
[10:17] Speaker 1: their pattern of life change? Because now they know, after
[10:20] Speaker 1: a couple of guys start getting smoked, they're like, oh shit,
[10:23] Speaker 1: you know, we're being watched by snipers. You know, I imagine
[10:26] Speaker 1: the way they moved around and exposed themselves became a
[10:29] Speaker 1: little bit trickier for you guys.
[10:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely they were.
[10:34] Speaker 2: The first morning was was kind of open season because
[10:38] Speaker 2: they were they knew, were smart enough to know that
[10:41] Speaker 2: that we were limited on how close we could get.
[10:44] Speaker 2: They What they didn't know is that, you know, a
[10:46] Speaker 2: bunch of snipers had just rolled into town. So the
[10:48] Speaker 2: first morning when sun came up, they were just kind
[10:51] Speaker 2: of walking down streets, you know, unaware and relatively you know,
[10:57] Speaker 2: very little security, very little tactical kind of measures or
[11:00] Speaker 2: anything of that nature. That changed, you as soon as
[11:02] Speaker 2: we started dropping bodies and they became more wary, they started,
[11:09] Speaker 2: you know, moving back to They quickly and you know,
[11:12] Speaker 2: they're not dumb people at all. They know, quickly moved
[11:15] Speaker 2: back and realized that, hey, you know they can't see
[11:18] Speaker 2: us back here.
[11:20] Speaker 3: You know, we're safe. You know, we're safe here.
[11:23] Speaker 2: And then of course of that night we would move forward,
[11:25] Speaker 2: you know, and then the sun would come up again.
[11:27] Speaker 2: And that took a couple of days for that to
[11:28] Speaker 2: sink in. You know, that we weren't stationary and they
[11:33] Speaker 2: really did not like to move.
[11:35] Speaker 3: At night at all, which was you know, you know,
[11:40] Speaker 3: obviously we.
[11:41] Speaker 2: Were prepared, you know, the work either way, but we
[11:44] Speaker 2: very little, very little movement at night, at least initially.
[11:48] Speaker 2: A little bit later on, I think they thought that
[11:51] Speaker 2: that was a better way to get around, and we
[11:54] Speaker 2: were able to. Uh, we had a couple of j
[11:57] Speaker 2: attacks with us that you know, and so there were
[12:00] Speaker 2: sometimes when we were able to bring in sift cass
[12:05] Speaker 2: on targets, especially at night. Yeah, as long as it
[12:09] Speaker 2: was deconflicted and far enough away from the mosque.
[12:13] Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, this was if I remember the timelines correctly,
[12:18] Speaker 1: this is before that marine sniper team got ambushed and killed.
[12:23] Speaker 1: Correct or the dudes came into their hide at night
[12:26] Speaker 1: and took out you know what I'm talking about. Yes,
[12:30] Speaker 1: that may have happened in five or six I could be.
[12:34] Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it was. It was after that.
[12:37] Speaker 1: Now, my question is, was that ever a concern that,
[12:42] Speaker 1: you know, someone could come in, like you guys are
[12:45] Speaker 1: focused on sniping guys and you're moving and all this stuff.
[12:49] Speaker 1: Was there ever a concern like of being like ambushed, overrun,
[12:54] Speaker 1: someone sneaking in on your positions because you know, you're
[12:56] Speaker 1: talking about being on top of a hotel or something
[12:58] Speaker 1: like that. There's a lot of space in that hotel
[13:00] Speaker 1: for dudes to maneuver through with that. You ever known
[13:02] Speaker 1: about it?
[13:03] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[13:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, we Uh, for one, we had a relatively large team.
[13:08] Speaker 2: I think I had eight or nine guys, so we were,
[13:11] Speaker 2: you know, rotating through providing security for a while. We
[13:15] Speaker 2: were able to borrow some soldiers from the one seven
[13:18] Speaker 2: Cave that helped us out providing security. But you know,
[13:21] Speaker 2: one of the things that early on we started putting
[13:25] Speaker 2: our heads together and came back to, was, you know,
[13:28] Speaker 2: put putting broken glass, you know, taking big floors and
[13:33] Speaker 2: light bulbs and breaking them on the stairs so that.
[13:36] Speaker 3: Somebody coming up has got to make some noise, you know,
[13:38] Speaker 3: a trip you know, you trip wires and things like that.
[13:41] Speaker 3: Coke cans on a a string with a trip wire.
[13:45] Speaker 3: So we used a lot of really old school techniques.
[13:48] Speaker 2: I mean, nowadays there's there's a lot of you know,
[13:51] Speaker 2: very small sensors and uh cameras and things like that
[13:54] Speaker 2: that that people could use. But it was very very
[13:57] Speaker 2: low tech. But fortunately it was ever nobody ever tried
[14:02] Speaker 2: to come up, No.
[14:03] Speaker 1: One ever tried to push your position or anything. That's
[14:05] Speaker 1: good now now coming from this, I mean that's obviously
[14:09] Speaker 1: it sounds like you guys did a lot of actual
[14:10] Speaker 1: sniper work there. Did you Were there any lessons learned
[14:14] Speaker 1: from that? From that kind of depointment from that kind
[14:16] Speaker 1: of engagement that you brought back and spread you know,
[14:20] Speaker 1: the word to other sniper teams within the Marine Corps
[14:22] Speaker 1: or military in general.
[14:24] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[14:24] Speaker 2: Absolutely, we we came back and I had been before
[14:29] Speaker 2: we left, as I had spent time, like I mentioned,
[14:31] Speaker 2: as a sniper instructor, I had spent probably more time
[14:36] Speaker 2: than the average Force ri Kan guy had in a
[14:38] Speaker 2: sniper platoon before I got to Fort ri Khan. So
[14:41] Speaker 2: I was kind of tagged as the lead sniper for
[14:45] Speaker 2: the unit. So when we got back, we had did
[14:49] Speaker 2: the same thing, you know, started just capturing all of
[14:52] Speaker 2: the information. Particularly you know, use of periscopes was something
[14:57] Speaker 2: that that had fallen out of favor. You know, that
[14:59] Speaker 2: was big, you know in World War Two among snipers.
[15:02] Speaker 2: You know, it's it's almost you know, you don't see
[15:05] Speaker 2: a sniper run around without a periscope anymore. Right, Your
[15:08] Speaker 2: ability to to see without being seen is crucial. We
[15:14] Speaker 2: had gone into Iraq with among the first optics, with
[15:24] Speaker 2: a Horus vision Radical, and it's just a completely uh
[15:29] Speaker 2: you know, the Marine Corps snipers had always been very
[15:32] Speaker 2: very big on the inertal scope and the radical and
[15:35] Speaker 2: the inerudal scope. That's like sacrilege to say that there's
[15:39] Speaker 2: anything else. But before our deployment, we had run into
[15:43] Speaker 2: some some uh at a trade show run a guy
[15:49] Speaker 2: named Todd Hotten, who's since then it has really become like
[15:52] Speaker 2: the go to guy in the world a long range shooting.
[15:55] Speaker 2: But he was working with this company called Horus Vision,
[15:58] Speaker 2: and they had the guy that ran the company had
[16:01] Speaker 2: developed a new way of putting a radical pattern and
[16:04] Speaker 2: a scope you know, much more busy, but you know,
[16:08] Speaker 2: a whole lot going on, but it provided the ability
[16:11] Speaker 2: to to rapidly re engage targets, to you know, do
[16:15] Speaker 2: a better job of range determination, to uh, you know,
[16:19] Speaker 2: more quickly bring follow up shots or shoot on moving targets.
[16:22] Speaker 2: And with that he had built at the time it
[16:25] Speaker 2: was a little palm pilot with a ballistic programming and
[16:30] Speaker 2: so you could kind of go through and let it
[16:32] Speaker 2: do the math for you.
[16:33] Speaker 3: Uh. So we came back with that it's.
[16:36] Speaker 2: Really the only snipers in the Marine Corps who would
[16:38] Speaker 2: use this technology, and that has become absolutely ubiquitous across
[16:45] Speaker 2: the Marine Corps now. So now the scopes that are
[16:48] Speaker 2: that are issued come with that that radical pattern and
[16:51] Speaker 2: the software is kind of in use everywhere. So that
[16:56] Speaker 2: was one of the and that's one of the you know,
[16:59] Speaker 2: a great demonstration of how a special Operations unit can
[17:03] Speaker 2: you know, test things out on a proof of the
[17:06] Speaker 2: concept on a small scale and then you know, hand.
[17:09] Speaker 3: It over to conventional forces for use.
[17:11] Speaker 2: So we on that deployment, Uh, I mean everything from
[17:17] Speaker 2: you know, we actually rebuilt the Fizzbee kit that I
[17:19] Speaker 2: was talking about, the full spectrum battle equipment kit, you know,
[17:23] Speaker 2: with lighter plates, you know, better you plates who would
[17:26] Speaker 2: stop more hits of of a p I AMMO, new
[17:31] Speaker 2: optics suppressors on our you know, the m fours, just
[17:35] Speaker 2: so many things that we were able to take from
[17:38] Speaker 2: other soft units or things that we had access to
[17:41] Speaker 2: because we were under Special Operations Command and uh you
[17:45] Speaker 2: know transfer those when we got back to the to
[17:47] Speaker 2: the Marine Corps and a lot of those things were
[17:49] Speaker 2: in use.
[17:49] Speaker 1: Now were you guys using them at the time.
[17:54] Speaker 3: That we had man I should know this. We I
[17:59] Speaker 3: don't know if we had the Mighty have A three,
[18:02] Speaker 3: we didn't do a lot of shooting.
[18:04] Speaker 2: So we with the forties because we took s R.
[18:10] Speaker 2: Twenty five's or the Mark eleven five five or seven
[18:15] Speaker 2: six to two gas gun, but I mean it looks
[18:18] Speaker 2: like an M four, just bigger, so suppressed night armament rifle,
[18:26] Speaker 2: and we were the first guys to deploy with those
[18:29] Speaker 2: as well within the Marine Corps.
[18:31] Speaker 3: So that's that's where we put those, the horse vision.
[18:34] Speaker 2: Radicals on and we carry those almost exclusively.
[18:42] Speaker 3: The Sasser.
[18:43] Speaker 2: We used a little bit the fifty Cow sniper rifle
[18:47] Speaker 2: and we took although it didn't get a whole lot
[18:50] Speaker 2: of use. A A four eight Shy Tech Intervention sniper
[18:55] Speaker 2: rifle was just a massive U four eight round that
[19:01] Speaker 2: was absolutely accurate to a mile at.
[19:05] Speaker 3: Least, but it was.
[19:08] Speaker 2: It's just too big and cumbersome for most of the
[19:11] Speaker 2: We weren't shooting that far, you know. Most of our
[19:13] Speaker 2: shots were within a couple of hundred meters

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