# Discussion with HashiCorp: How to handle Cloud Waste and Zero Trust

An episode of [DevOps Sauna from Eficode](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1474935327), 16 Feb 2022, 44 min.

Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2246063/episodes/13576288-discussion-with-hashicorp-how-to-handle-cloud-waste-and-zero-trust.mp3

Send us Fan Mail This time we discuss Cloud Waste and Zero Trust.Everyone gets the logic of the cloud: scale up the resources as the demand increases, and only pay for what you use. Yet one in three to one in five euros spent on cloud is wasted. Why is that, and what can we do about it?As cloud becomes the de facto service deliver method, security becomes evermore important. One viable approach is Zero Trust: secure everything based on trusted identities. Or, said another way: Trust no one, provide least privilege, and assume breach.Marc Cluet from HashiCorp joins with Andy Allred and Eugen Kaparulin from Eficode.Marc Cluethttps://www.linkedin.com/in/marccluetAndy Allredhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/punasusi/Eugen Kaparulinhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/eugen-kaparulin/Register to The DevOps Conferencehttps://hubs.li/Q013KpJP0DevOps & Cloud guidehttps://hubs.li/Q013KpPL0Cloud Wastehttps://www.hashicorp.com/minimize-cloud-wasteZero Trusthttps://www.hashicorp.com/solutions/zero-trust-security

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