# AI vs humans? Why people still come first in the age of AI

An episode of [DevOps Sauna from Eficode](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1474935327), 8 May 2026, 30 min.

Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2246063/episodes/19145562-ai-vs-humans-why-people-still-come-first-in-the-age-of-ai.mp3

Send us Fan Mail AI adoption isn’t just about tools, it’s about people. In this episode, Pinja Kujala is joined by Satu Kivioja-Ronkainen and Dmitry Tayya to explore what really shapes how AI works inside organizations. From fear and curiosity to unclear policies and uneven skill levels, the biggest challenges aren’t technical, they’re human. We talk about why psychological safety, learning pace, and inclusion matter more than ever, and why the most successful AI strategies start with people, not technology.

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