# A Life In Movies: Pat Byrne

An episode of [All The Right Movies](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1471502633), 10 Nov 2024, 1 h 10 min.

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## Transcript

[0:04] All the rent movies. Hi everyone, welcome to ATRM
[0:38] Meets, the movie interview show brought to you by All the Right
[0:40] Movies. My name's Luke.
[0:42] On the show we talk to people in entertainment about 5 films that
[0:45] they've personally picked out that are important to them,
[0:48] movies that they love. Today I'm talking to a musician
[0:51] who came to prominence in 2012 as the winner of TV and music
[0:54] show The Voice of Ireland. Since then he's released 3
[0:57] studio albums to great acclaim, including his most recent Into
[1:00] the Light, which came out in summer 2021.
[1:03] It's a pleasure to welcome Pat Byrne.
[1:04] Hi Pat, great. Have you on the show?
[1:06] How you doing? Hey Luke, thanks for having me.
[1:08] Delighted to be here and excited to talk about movies.
[1:12] Great. Make it feel like it's a job.
[1:14] That's that's a wonderful thing. Yeah, yeah, I struggle.
[1:18] I often struggle to justify just watching films and say that I'm
[1:20] working. I felt so because I watch movies
[1:24] all the time and my girlfriend kind of hates it because she's a
[1:27] very outdoorsy person. Yeah.
[1:29] So it was nice yesterday to say I'm sorry I have to watch some
[1:32] movies. I'm doing podcasts tomorrow and
[1:34] it's this is real business right now, so.
[1:36] That's the only excuse you need. Thanks for giving me that
[1:39] excuse. It's a pleasure.
[1:41] So where you're at, where you're talking from?
[1:44] I'm in Austin, TX. I moved here four years ago,
[1:47] right straight from Ireland, and I've been living here ever
[1:50] since. I love it here.
[1:51] And I've been riding out the pandemic.
[1:54] Wow. Yeah.
[1:55] But it's been great. It's a good place to be.
[1:58] So have you still been able to do stuff with the new album like
[2:01] tour and with the COVID restrictions?
[2:04] Yeah, I was actually the the COVID restrictions helped me a
[2:08] lot. So obviously I had a great year.
[2:11] Well, first of all, everything got cancelled.
[2:13] I had a year of of touring planned and that all got pulled
[2:16] from under me. So I had nothing to do.
[2:19] Ended up writing the album and then launched A Kickstarter
[2:22] campaign online. I was doing all my shows online.
[2:25] It was like Facebook live streams.
[2:27] That's the only place I could perform.
[2:29] And because of that, got to do this Kickstarter and raised 30
[2:32] grand and and made an album all during the pandemic.
[2:35] And because the pandemic was in full swing, all these great
[2:39] musicians who normally would be on tour were available to
[2:42] record. And so I got them.
[2:43] And yeah, I got these really great musicians in Nashville to
[2:47] record and spent the year making the album.
[2:50] And then as soon as the album came out, the restrictions kind
[2:53] of lifted and I was able to tour.
[2:55] So it worked out and yeah, and and I'm in Texas.
[3:00] So like I know back in the UK and Ireland, it's a whole, it's
[3:03] a different ball game. It's been a nightmare for
[3:05] people. But but it's been pretty wide
[3:07] open for most of the time over here.
[3:11] You know, there was a few, there was, there was like maybe six or
[3:13] seven months where it was nothing was happening.
[3:15] And then after that, things slowly open back up and you know
[3:19] it. It's been pretty easy.
[3:21] So we're going to get into your favorite film.
[3:23] So are you. Is it your top five films?
[3:26] Is it once you have a personal connection with or ones that you
[3:29] go to the most? I don't know I Olivia, yeah,
[3:35] Olivia who who said who arranged this?
[3:38] Thank you, Olivia, because I love this.
[3:40] And just text me and she was like, pick 5 movies that you
[3:44] love. And that's such a stressful
[3:46] thing to answer because if you asked me today, it would
[3:48] probably be a different five. Yeah.
[3:50] But at the time I was like, well, here's 5 movies that I
[3:53] undeniably love and I just sent them.
[3:55] But it could have been 10s of others, you know?
[3:57] Yeah. And I didn't want to pick all
[4:00] classic. Like these are definite the
[4:02] best. Like if you check any top ten
[4:04] list, they're going to be in there.
[4:05] I want to try and mix it up with some newer stuff that I've seen
[4:08] recently. And so I think I got a fairly
[4:11] varied list. Yeah, I think it looks, it looks
[4:13] eclectic to me. OK, so do you want to introduce
[4:18] talk about your first film? Well, the one I had seen most
[4:23] recently was Memories of a Murder.
[4:25] I know it's not the newest movie, but it was that Bong Joon
[4:27] Ho movie. Was it his first?
[4:31] One of his early ones? Second.
[4:33] Film. Second, yeah.
[4:35] And I was late to the party with him and my first movie I saw was
[4:39] Parasite and it blew me away. And after that went back, I
[4:44] still haven't made it through all of his back catalog, but
[4:47] just a few weeks ago, I saw Memories of a murder.
[4:49] And I remember like after it was over, I was like, I think that
[4:53] might be the best movie I've ever seen.
[4:55] Wow. One of those moments.
[4:56] And you don't normally get that. And I have, I've only seen it
[5:00] once. I haven't rewatched it.
[5:02] And but I was like, I need to put that in the list because
[5:05] it's just, it blew me away. I remember that last scene just
[5:08] kind of shook me to the core and it was so clever and just so
[5:12] many great teams in there. Yeah.
[5:14] And I just think he's a great filmmaker, you know, Everything
[5:16] I've seen that he's done is kind of mind blowing so.
[5:19] Yeah, I mean, it put me in mind. I don't know if you've seen it.
[5:22] It put me in mind of Zodiac David Fincher.
[5:25] Yeah, absolutely. Kind of like that police
[5:28] procedural thing where there's an ambiguous ending and they're
[5:31] like chasing down leads, dead ends and stuff like that.
[5:34] But that came out before Zodiac, I believe, so I don't know if
[5:37] that was an influence on Fincher.
[5:40] I'm sure it was it seemed the more I've researched the movie
[5:43] and Bong Joon Ho, he's kind of an influence on everyone.
[5:45] And, and I, I see, you know, I like Tarantino and I, he
[5:50] obviously he loves movies more than anyone.
[5:53] And just when you listen to him talk about movies, memories of a
[5:56] murder kind of comes up in his top 10 frequently.
[5:59] And he just, it just seems to be a very sighted movie.
[6:03] And Zodiac was one of my favorites too.
[6:05] I think this, I think Memories of Murder is is superior and
[6:09] there's something about I love David Fincher, but there's
[6:11] something very precise that sometimes it's like a bit cold
[6:16] and it's hard for me to totally. I totally appreciate everyone
[6:20] he's done though and I'm a fan of his and I like all of his
[6:22] movies, but I don't know. Memories of a Murder hit me
[6:25] harder and there was something a bit more raw about it and the
[6:28] kind of real life story was. Do you know the real story
[6:33] about? The serial I read up, I read up
[6:35] a little bit on it. The guy was caught a couple of
[6:38] years ago. Yeah, after the movie came out,
[6:42] Yeah. I mean, so it was the same as
[6:43] Zodiac where it's an ambiguous end and no one knows who who the
[6:47] killer is and it's very unresolved.
[6:49] But in real life they caught the killer and several fabricated
[6:54] things that were put in the movie came out to be true.
[6:57] Really. Like he pretty.
[6:58] Yeah. So it just was a eerily great
[7:03] piece of storytelling, they thought.
[7:04] And the fact that he kind of predicted some of the real life
[7:10] events was very incredible. Yeah.
[7:13] I really like the the crossover of the two leads, the guy who's
[7:17] coming from Seoul, who's very much by the book and he's very
[7:20] methodical. And you can't, you can't just
[7:22] beat a confession out of out of a suspect.
[7:25] And then he crosses over and the the case gets the better of him.
[7:30] I mean, yeah, the both. And the other guy crosses over
[7:33] to he's this childish, very instinctive, reactive, masculine
[7:38] guy who can't deal with things properly.
[7:41] And he, you know, he thinks if he looks someone in the eye, he
[7:44] can tell if they're guilty or not.
[7:45] And then by the end of it, he's the, he becomes far more logical
[7:50] than he, he's looking at that one suspect at the end and he
[7:53] can't figure out if he's guilty or not.
[7:55] And he's man enough to admit it. And then the other guy, who all
[8:00] up until this point has been the methodical review, the evidence,
[8:03] calm guy is trying to shoot him and kill him even though he
[8:06] knows he's been faced with the evidence that he's not guilty.
[8:10] You know, yeah, I love the the two of the the dichotomy, the
[8:14] two different masculinity, different forms of masculinity.
[8:17] And all the while, there's this female detective in the
[8:19] background who's like, given this great advice and is totally
[8:24] well spoken, and everything she says turns out to be the right
[8:27] course of action, and she's just kind of being laughed at and
[8:30] overlooked the whole way through it.
[8:32] Yeah, because it's set in the 70s.
[8:34] So I guess that sorry, it's set in the 80s.
[8:37] So I guess that I don't, I don't know, maybe the culture in
[8:41] Korea, but I would imagine that if that was an American film or
[8:44] an English film, then because it's a female character,
[8:47] particularly in a position that she was in a police officer,
[8:50] then she's marginalized. She's not taken seriously.
[8:54] Yeah, absolutely. And she's the one who's coming
[8:56] with all the logical explanation and all of the information.
[9:00] Yeah, she's the one who had that.
[9:01] You know, she just found out about the DJ who's playing the
[9:04] song, and please only play it when it rains.
[9:06] And oh, it's just, it's fantastic.
[9:10] And and and yeah, it's it's clear that the police force in
[9:13] Korea were quite corrupt back then.
[9:16] And it is true that they were, you know, torturing suspects and
[9:20] trying to be confessions out with people because they were
[9:22] just I'll equipped to deal with the situation.
[9:25] And yeah, that's very clear in the movie.
[9:27] It's like a hopeless situation where they're just.
[9:30] I love that scene where the, the childish one decides that the
[9:37] the killer shaves his pubic area.
[9:39] Yeah. And so he suggests that we need
[9:41] to find people who have no pubes.
[9:45] And he actually goes to bath houses, and that's how desperate
[9:48] they were. He goes to bath houses to try
[9:50] find people who are shaved. And yeah, yeah, we're just kind
[9:53] of really, they're just throwing the kitchen sink at it and it's
[9:57] very desperate. Yeah.
[10:00] Sorry. Our dog is acting all right.
[10:04] And they even suggest to go to the the monastery over the road
[10:07] on the to pull out suspect. Yeah, it gets very desperate
[10:12] that time. Great.
[10:14] So have you got a favorite scene in that film?
[10:17] Is there? Was there a one that stood out
[10:18] for you? Yeah, like I said, I haven't
[10:20] watched it again. But I mean, the scene for me,
[10:24] like maybe my favorite scene ever and anything is the end
[10:27] where he goes back to the that original scene from the first
[10:31] scene where he discovers the first dead body.
[10:33] And he's looking at the area and there's a little girl and she's
[10:36] like, oh, it's funny. There was a guy here looking at
[10:38] this area just last week. And he was like, really?
[10:40] What did he look like? And the girls just says, he's
[10:43] just a regular looking guy, just just like you.
[10:46] And he looks around for a second.
[10:47] He stares down the lens and it's like he's looking at you.
[10:51] It's like, is it you? Are you the killer?
[10:53] He's like, because everyone in Korean, he's a, it's a famous
[10:56] case. They know he hasn't been found.
[10:58] And I just was like, if you're in a theater looking at that and
[11:02] you're beside like you're amongst 100 people.
[11:06] It must have been a very bone chilling moment when this actor
[11:09] staring and it's like a 5 second stare into the lens and you're
[11:12] thinking it could be someone in here.
[11:14] Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
[11:16] I just thought it was so clever and so powerful and I almost
[11:20] started crying when it happened. It was.
[11:22] It was really electrifying. Yeah.
[11:24] Incredible. And it had me on on the edge of
[11:26] my seat as well, because I didn't know that it was going to
[11:30] be ambiguous. I was expecting maybe a
[11:31] resolution and then, but I knew there was only maybe 5 minutes
[11:35] of runtime left, so it kind of dawned on me that I wasn't going
[11:38] to get what I wanted. I suppose that's natural, but to
[11:41] leave it as it was was, yeah, like, like you said, one child.
[12:08] So just then, Pat, then what about like your earliest
[12:11] memories of watching movies? Like the earliest ones that you
[12:14] can remember as a kid? Are there any of that spring to
[12:16] mind? When my parents had a lot of
[12:19] random movies on VHS that I would watch over and over, one
[12:23] of them was like ATV movie The Death of the Incredible Hulk.
[12:27] It was the was it Bill Bixby played him in that TV series.
[12:31] I think that's his name. It was kind of very camp, over
[12:34] the top, funny soundtrack. I would watch it over and over
[12:38] and become obsessed with the Incredible Hulk because at that,
[12:40] when you're at that age, you don't really have a critical
[12:42] filter. I didn't anyway.
[12:44] I just, I just like that this man turned green.
[12:46] And so that's my earliest memory of watching movies.
[12:49] And then like a little bit older, 7 or 8, I remember
[12:52] watching Tom Hanks is that thing you do, you know the movie he
[12:56] directed? And and I kind of made me fall
[12:59] in love with music. It made me want to be in a band.
[13:02] And I I just loved that movie from a really early age.
[13:05] And that's when I rewatched all the time.
[13:07] And then back to the future. Obviously it's, I think everyone
[13:11] cites that as one of their early movie look, because it's just a
[13:15] perfect movie. It is, it's really is flawless
[13:18] and it's so entertaining and any age group can can enjoy it.
[13:22] The older you get, you see more in it and it's those kind of
[13:25] movies, those fun instant movies.
[13:27] I really fell in love at an early age and then I went to
[13:30] college and started watching The Sopranos and sought out more
[13:34] kind of deep thinking movies and character based stories.
[13:39] And, and since then, I've just kind of, I spend any free minute
[13:43] I have either reading about movies that are coming out or
[13:46] watching old movies that I haven't seen or yeah, you know,
[13:48] trying to catch up. Yeah, I mean, it's difficult to
[13:51] get. I mean, I've got a list and it's
[13:53] getting longer and longer the more I do this and I'll never
[13:56] get to the end of it. Which is great, you don't want
[13:58] to ever get to the end when you can't think of something to
[14:01] watch, so it's nice to have a list to work through.
[14:04] So what about your second film then, Pat Watch which one of you
[14:07] choosing the second film? And what else is on that list
[14:11] is, oh, the lighthouse. Have you seen the lighthouse?
[14:13] Yes, I have. Yes, I watched it.
[14:16] Actually, I watched it today for the first time.
[14:18] I know it was critically. Oh, no way.
[14:19] Yeah, I know it was critically acclaimed and I just never got
[14:22] around with it. Doesn't it's not the most
[14:25] appealing of films to look at, like from the surface.
[14:28] So that's possibly what put me off.
[14:31] Yeah, when I when I looked at the list today, I was like,
[14:35] that's kind of out of place on this list.
[14:37] I don't know if it's deserves to be there but also it was the
[14:41] best movie I saw that year and it was like one of the best
[14:43] cinema experiences I had and I I wasn't expecting much going into
[14:47] it and I just thought the performances were amazing.
[14:52] It was such a original and creative idea for a movie.
[14:56] I think Robert Eggers is like a genius and I can't wait to see
[14:59] what he does next. I hadn't seen The Witch when I
[15:02] watched Lighthouse and I went and watched it afterwards.
[15:04] Love the witch. Still think Lighthouse is better
[15:07] though. And you know the language in it
[15:10] is so rich and like authentic feeling and it's almost
[15:14] Shakespearean. Like the story, the way it
[15:16] unfolds. I just was from I went to see it
[15:19] with my friend. Actually, it's funny with the
[15:21] Lighthouse because you could see it with 10 people and everyone
[15:24] could think something different because I went with my best
[15:27] friend the first time and both of us looked at each other
[15:30] several times, like our Jaws job, how much we were loving it.
[15:34] And like, these scenes are amazing.
[15:35] And the scenes when they're getting drunk together, we were
[15:37] like, yeah, that's like us. Yeah, great.
[15:40] And then I watched it with my girlfriend yesterday because I
[15:42] hadn't seen it since that first time.
[15:44] And I was like, if I'm going to talk about this, I should watch
[15:46] it again. And what?
[15:48] And she hated it so and it kind of influenced my view.
[15:51] And I was like, did I love it that much?
[15:53] But I know I did. But but Lighthouse was one of
[15:56] those for me because it, you know, it doesn't have a concrete
[15:59] end. There's no this is exactly
[16:01] what's happening. It's very much left here
[16:02] interpretation and you can come away feeling different things
[16:06] about what happened, which I love.
[16:08] I don't need to be told exactly what was happening.
[16:12] And, and actually, because it wasn't that me and my friend for
[16:16] the rest of the day and night talked about what we thought
[16:19] about the movie, which for me is way more interesting than a
[16:23] neatly tied bowl at the end of, you know.
[16:25] So I just thought it was really original and one of the coolest
[16:29] things I've seen in recent times.
[16:31] It was the even the way it looks is just a beautiful, like each
[16:34] frame is like a work of art. And Willem Dafoe and Robert
[16:38] Pattinson are just at the top of their games and, and, and he's
[16:43] an exciting new filmmaker. So I thought I'll put that in
[16:45] and put something new in there. Yeah.
[16:47] I mean, yeah, I think I agree with you.
[16:49] It's it's one of those films where if you go to see it at the
[16:52] theater, you'll expect a few people to walk out, right?
[16:56] It's not for everyone. I will say, though, it's better
[16:59] in the theater because the soundtrack is so menacing and
[17:03] and disturbing, which my girlfriend keeps turning it
[17:07] down. You know, on some TV sets when
[17:10] people are talking, it's much quieter.
[17:12] And then when there's like action scenes or whatever, it
[17:14] gets much louder. Yeah.
[17:15] And she's someone who likes to turn it down during those parts
[17:18] and turn it back up when when there's when there's some
[17:21] dialogue, which really pisses me off because for me, the sound is
[17:25] there for a reason and I don't get bothered by loud noises.
[17:28] But in the cinema, I was just subjected to all of that.
[17:31] And it really, my senses were assaulted and I loved it.
[17:35] And so I think seeing it in the cinema was better than watching
[17:38] it at home. And it's that it's that weird
[17:40] framing where it's like just a sliver in the middle of the
[17:42] screen, which kind of creates this claustrophobia, which I
[17:46] liked and thought it was cool, but it's harder on a TV because
[17:49] you lose so much of the screen. And but it was great in the in
[17:53] the cinema. Yeah, that aspect ratio really
[17:55] struck out for me as well. That kind of keeping you tight
[17:59] in to the frame. This, you've got to look at this
[18:01] and also as claustrophobic film anyway, so you just get that
[18:04] sense from that, that choice. He's great at making you feel
[18:08] like you're going insane with these people.
[18:10] Like, and Willem Dafoe is like, how long have we been there?
[18:13] Has it been five weeks? Has it been two days?
[18:15] And and you're like, Oh my God, that's the scariest thought ever
[18:19] I've had. I've had moments like that in my
[18:21] life where I'm like, I'm not sure how long I've been here.
[18:24] And it's really scary. So I just, yeah, it was a great
[18:29] depiction of just two men on an island by themselves going and
[18:33] saying nowhere to go. And you really got, you got that
[18:37] feeling yourself as a viewer. So yeah.
[18:40] I mean, it looks and sounds fantastic and those
[18:42] performances, Robin Pattinson, I mean, willing to for you and
[18:46] always guaranteeable. Robin Patterson's putting in a
[18:48] lot of really great performances recently.
[18:51] Oh my God. I don't know if he's ever done a
[18:53] bad performance. Like, obviously I don't like
[18:55] Twilight. I just don't.
[18:56] But. But that's not his fault, and he
[18:59] just hasn't been bad. I can't wait to see what he does
[19:01] with Batman. Yeah, yeah.
[19:04] About that. Yeah, I, I watched some
[19:07] interviews with Willem Dafoe about the movie, and he loves
[19:09] the movie and all that, but he's from a very traditional theater
[19:12] background and Pattinson isn't. And it was interesting that the
[19:16] two of them have very different approaches to to the scenes
[19:20] because Willem Willem Dafoe would want to rehearse it and
[19:23] rehearse it and get it perfect. And Pattinson was like, well, if
[19:27] we keep rehearsing it, we'll lose some of that, like visceral
[19:30] reaction, like it's only going to happen once.
[19:33] And then recreating it is kind of you lose some of the
[19:36] authenticity or something like that.
[19:39] And it was interesting that it sounded like it got pretty
[19:41] heated between the two of them, which I think just helped the
[19:44] movie because they're supposed to be so different.
[19:47] And you can see how much they're conflicting.
[19:50] And there's genuine rage in Pattinson's eyes at several
[19:53] times when he's, like, getting getting angry with the fall.
[19:56] And it's just cool to hear those back stories.
[20:00] And they were really on that island.
[20:02] And it was like horrible conditions.
[20:04] Yeah, I think it was shot in Canada.
[20:05] I think was shot in Nova Scotia. That makes sense.
[20:09] Those accents of they are from like just off the coast of
[20:13] Canada, right? Like because they sound so
[20:14] Irish. I was like, at first I was like,
[20:16] these are really bad Irish accents.
[20:18] And then I was thinking, yeah, it's those kind of, that's where
[20:21] the pirate thing comes from, isn't it?
[20:23] Just off that east or West Coast, East Coast of Canada and.
[20:27] So I think it's set in New England and my and I had a
[20:30] problem with, not a problem with the accents, but I was
[20:32] questioning where they were coming from and I did notice
[20:35] that I noticed that they did. Sound like Irish accents.
[20:39] Then I thought bad Irish accents.
[20:41] But then I thought, well, maybe. You know, immigrants, it was set
[20:45] in late 1800s, so that would have still been happening.
[20:48] So maybe second, third generation of immigrants from
[20:51] Ireland over to America. Right.
[20:53] I think and I think that is a genuine accent that existed.
[20:56] Like I think and especially willing to fall, his character
[20:59] seemed like he was kind of nailing it and never never waved
[21:04] from this one accent. He decided.
[21:05] Whereas Pattinson kind of had that Irish thing at the start
[21:08] and then it became Boston. And then at times he just sounds
[21:12] very straight like middle America.
[21:14] And I don't know if that was on purpose because he's kind of
[21:17] he's trying to be this different person at the start.
[21:19] He says his name is Winslow and it turns out Winslow some guy
[21:23] who died and he took his identity and maybe that's why
[21:26] he's accent to slip in. The first time I watched it, I
[21:28] was like in Pattinson is just not getting the accent as good
[21:31] as well before. But after watching it yesterday
[21:33] I was like, it's felt more purposeful that the action
[21:35] changed so. And I would be surprised.
[21:38] Just more stuff to talk about, really, yeah.
[21:41] Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
[21:42] And I would be surprised if, considering the the exact in
[21:46] nature of this film and the witch as well, that I'd be
[21:50] surprised if it allows something as sloppy to be to be thrown
[21:53] into the film. Exactly.
[21:54] That's another thing when the Foe said about, well, about
[21:57] Eggers is like, it was so precise.
[22:00] This everything you heard was written on the script.
[22:02] There was no improvisation. Yeah, it was all, you know, he
[22:06] really knew exactly how it was going to look and how it was
[22:09] going to play out and what they were going to say and where the
[22:11] cameras were going to be. He's very precise, which it
[22:13] didn't feel like to me. Whereas with Fincher you can see
[22:18] it's it's a maths equation almost where everything is on
[22:20] the screen. And famously he'll make them do
[22:23] every scene 100 times and they lose actors.
[22:27] A lot of actors don't like working with that because they
[22:29] lose their whatever it is, the authenticity of delivering the
[22:33] lions. Whereas I didn't feel that way
[22:35] watching this. It almost felt like these two
[22:37] were improvised and like just. It was very free flowing I
[22:41] found. Yeah, I mean the language and
[22:43] there's some monologues in there by both of them that that are
[22:46] really impressive. Oh my God, so good and so funny.
[22:50] Like I I laughed so hard at several times.
[22:54] Even though it's like a dark, I don't think it's a scary movie.
[22:57] It's just a disturbing kind of dark movie, but it has these
[23:00] hilarious moments. And that one monologue when
[23:04] Willem Dafoe is, I think Robin Pattinson said he doesn't like
[23:08] he's cooking or something. Yeah.
[23:10] And there's like a 10 minute monologue where he's just
[23:13] completely sick, damning him and saying what he'd like to do to
[23:16] him. And it's so Shakespearean and an
[23:19] awful. And then he says, OK, I like
[23:21] your cooking. It was so epic.
[23:26] But yeah, the monologues I loved.
[23:28] Yeah, incredible. I mean, he's desperate for him
[23:30] to tell him that he he likes his lobster, isn't he?
[23:36] Yeah, and, and, and the movie is not above the occasional fart
[23:40] joke. You know, even though it's like
[23:41] an A-24 very critically acclaimed art house movie,
[23:45] there's moments where he just farts and it's funny.
[23:48] Yeah, it is funny. So do you have have you picked
[23:53] out a favorite scene for this one?
[23:56] Oh, that's tough. God, I suppose that monologue,
[24:01] that Willem the fall monologue. If I had more time to think, it
[24:04] might be different if I could watch it again.
[24:06] But but that that scene where he goes on a tirade abusing William
[24:10] Pattinson. It's just I love the writing and
[24:13] I love how he delivers it. And there's also a scene where
[24:16] he it's another monologue scene and it's when Pattinson starts
[24:20] questioning, he's getting super paranoid and he's questioned
[24:25] everything with him before, has told him and when before like
[24:30] just comes back at him with this another like long damning
[24:33] monologue. And he's always don't blink.
[24:35] And it's like a 2 minute scene. And I'm like after about 20
[24:38] seconds I realized he hadn't blinked.
[24:40] So at that stage I'm just staring at he's always waiting
[24:42] for them to blink and they don't.
[24:43] And it's just his performance is so amazing.
[24:46] So maybe that is sticking out in my memory, but really there
[24:50] isn't 1 scene I can pick that I just like.
[24:53] I just like it all. Yeah, I mean, pretty much
[24:55] everything on there is hypnotic and it just holds you.
[24:58] It is immediately. Yeah, absolutely.
[25:04] Look at you, handsome lad with eyes bright as a lady come to
[25:10] this rock playing the tough. You make me laugh with your
[25:15] false grum. You pretended to some mystery in
[25:20] your quiet dudes, but there ain't no mystery.
[25:26] You're an open book. A picture says IA painted
[25:32] actress screaming in the Footlights.
[25:34] A bitch What wants to be coveted for nothing but being born?
[25:38] Crying but the silver spoon, what should have been yours?
[25:43] Now look at here, crying. Boo Boo.
[25:51] What you're gonna do? Will you kill me?
[25:56] Will you? Will you kill me?
[25:58] Like you've done that goal I did.
[26:00] Liar. So you mentioned about watching
[26:05] that thing we do that thing we do.
[26:06] Is that what it's? Called that thing.
[26:07] You do that thing. You do the Tom Hanks film and
[26:09] that got you into music, So what kind of music influenced your
[26:14] style? Well, I'm from Ireland, so like
[26:16] I have a big Irish influence of Irish traditional music.
[26:20] I love all the old folk singers like Luke Kelly, I love Paul
[26:23] Brady and, and there's contemporary writers in Ireland
[26:27] now like Mick Flannery and Declan O'Rourke and they always
[26:30] continue to inspire me. And that's what I listened to
[26:32] growing up Glen Hansford in the Frames.
[26:35] And then when I got older, I, I really loved Americana music
[26:39] and, and, and you know, classic American songwriters like Bob
[26:44] Dylan and Paul Simon and Springsteen and Neil Young and
[26:48] Tom Petty and Van Morrison and all those guys.
[26:50] Incredible. That's when I started, you know,
[26:53] singing and, and wanting to be a songwriter.
[26:56] And that was maybe in my mid teens actually, before that I
[26:58] was a drummer and I I played exclusively in like metal bands
[27:03] and punk bands and that really, I think like most people, I'm 32
[27:07] and and a lot of people my age, when you're when you're 12 or
[27:09] 13, you discover metal and you're, you're early teens at
[27:12] least are spent wearing all black and going to live music
[27:16] club. Yeah, yeah.
[27:17] And I love System of a Down and Nirvana and Metallica and, you
[27:22] know, I still love a lot of that music.
[27:23] It's not really what I listen to, but when I started singing
[27:25] is when I started listening more to songwriters and, and my world
[27:31] opened up a bit more. And and then since moving to
[27:33] Texas, there's great Texas music I love.
[27:36] There's writers like Guy Clark and Townes Van Zandt and Oh
[27:39] yeah, just great storytellers and people who are great with
[27:44] words and building characters. And it's suppose that spawns
[27:49] from my love of movies. I love character driven movies.
[27:52] Yeah. And when a songwriter is able to
[27:55] build a character or a scene in that way, that's what I really
[27:58] love. So.
[28:00] I think you can, from what you've said there, you can
[28:02] definitely hear that in your music.
[28:04] It is. And it's not something that I've
[28:06] heard at all. It it maybe once or twice, but
[28:10] the IT seems to be a mixture of that Americana influenced by
[28:15] your location and also your your roots from Ireland as well.
[28:20] So. There's a perfect blend of that.
[28:22] I've noticed that instantly. Well, thank you.
[28:26] Yeah, that's that's kind of, I'd love if that's how people have
[28:29] thought about my music because that's how I feel.
[28:31] And because I grew up playing traditional music and I and my
[28:34] accent comes through, I think when I sing and I sound Irish
[28:37] and and there's definitely an Irish element.
[28:39] But really the songs are Americana full kind of songs.
[28:44] So I would love if that's what it was, if it was a marriage of
[28:48] the two. Yes, it certainly comes up.
[28:50] Comes across like that for me. Great stuff as well.
[28:53] Great stuff. Your new albums excellent, loved
[28:56] it. Thanks a lot, Luke.
[28:57] Cheers. OK, so let's move on to the
[29:01] angry dog in the background. Yeah, Samantha's just she's
[29:05] gearing them up to go for a walk.
[29:06] It's been a long process, but I think we're finally getting them
[29:09] out the door. OK, So what about film #3?
[29:15] Which one are you going for? For film #3.
[29:20] Could you help me with the list? What else is on the list?
[29:22] Raging Bull. Raging Bull.
[29:24] Yeah, I watched that last night as well.
[29:26] And again, and talking about character driven things, like
[29:30] that's really the one. I mean, it's first of all Robert
[29:34] De Niro. His performance is like probably
[29:38] his best. I don't know if it's hard to say
[29:40] that about Robert De Niro because he's done so many.
[29:43] It's a real, I forgot how hard a movie it is to watch.
[29:46] Like I I've still haven't we watched it again last night and
[29:49] I think it might only be my second time ever watching it
[29:52] because it's not exactly a re watchable.
[29:54] It's not like Goodfellas. It's not like some of Scorsese's
[29:57] other stuff. It's just this great character
[29:59] study where this man completely destroys himself and it's so sad
[30:04] and it's there's nothing redeemable about him.
[30:06] You don't like him. And it just left me with this
[30:09] awful feeling all night. And even this morning I woke up,
[30:12] I was like, God, I shouldn't have watched Raging Bull right
[30:14] before I went to bed. But but it's just undeniably
[30:17] amazing. And it's like, you know, it's so
[30:21] much toxic masculinity and and, and misogyny.
[30:25] It's really not a boxing movie. It's just about this man who
[30:28] destroys himself because he can't handle his feelings.
[30:31] And yeah, and it's a great scene that sums up a lot of it for me.
[30:35] Where he's convinced Joe Pesci, who's also amazing in it is has
[30:40] had sex with his wife and he walks down the street to beat
[30:44] him up and gets into the house and he's just arriving and you
[30:47] see Joe Pesci like giving his son a really stern talking
[30:51] because he's not eating He's like eat that fucking dinner.
[30:54] I'll drop this fork in your eye or something like, well, this
[30:57] explains it all. Like because they're brothers
[30:59] and they obviously were treated that way and now he's treating
[31:01] his kids that way and it's a cycle of masculinity that's and
[31:05] it's going to keep going. And then he beats the shit out
[31:08] of them and they don't talk and it's just such a stupid, it's
[31:12] just really animalistic, stupid masculine behavior.
[31:16] But it's this it's perfectly depicted on the screen.
[31:19] And and even that last scene where he still can't own up to
[31:23] it, that it was like he quotes the what's it on the waterfront
[31:27] scene where. Yeah.
[31:28] He's like, it wasn't your fault. It was Charlie.
[31:30] You know, he's he's blaming it on Joe Pacey's character.
[31:33] Like, that's the reason he's in this mess.
[31:35] And he's. Yeah.
[31:37] It's. I don't know how Jake Lamar felt
[31:40] about watching the movie. Like it.
[31:42] I don't know how anyone could be happy.
[31:45] Yeah. It's based on his book.
[31:46] He helped with the, he trained De Niro.
[31:49] Yeah. And he was very involved in it.
[31:51] And it seems like he was happy with the movie.
[31:53] But I mean, it's so damning, there's nothing you're.
[31:57] Not coming out of that with any redeemable qualities.
[32:00] No. And I don't know if that would
[32:02] happen today. Like, you know, like the Queen
[32:04] movie that came out. I know they wanted to.
[32:07] I know Sasha Baron Cohen was really wanted to make that
[32:11] movie. Yeah.
[32:12] And warts and all and show like the gritty side and and I
[32:16] understand an artist not wanting that kind of movie to be made
[32:18] about them, but they went with the more like let's just make a
[32:22] glorified movie, which I didn't like that much, I'll be honest.
[32:25] No, I wanted to. That's why I wanted to see the
[32:28] the outrage and the excess and I wanted to see the water kind of
[32:32] grime of it, which has been widely reported.
[32:34] So making a film, which I'm a big Queen fan and I have been
[32:38] for since I was a kid. So, so not telling the story,
[32:44] changing the timeline, changing the way things happened, I don't
[32:48] know. I felt a bit of a cop out.
[32:50] Yeah, I thought so, too. But also, if I was Brian May and
[32:54] someone's making a movie about me and my friend who, you know,
[32:58] I wouldn't, I would probably want some kind of censorship on
[33:01] it as well. But as a fan and as an art
[33:04] lover, it wasn't the right thing.
[33:05] And I think Sasha Baron Cohen would have done an amazing job,
[33:09] and he just is. He would have been such a great
[33:11] Freddie Mercury. I know.
[33:13] What's his name? Got the Oscar.
[33:16] Rami Malek. Rami Malek, yeah, I don't know.
[33:18] I thought he was good as he was definitely good as he.
[33:21] Oh, he was, and he came across the physicality of it.
[33:24] Yeah. That Live Aid performance, I
[33:26] mean, it's just, it's ready. That was great and it was really
[33:30] well made and all, but just the movie as a whole that I just
[33:33] didn't do it for me. Whereas Raging Bull is like,
[33:37] there's not here. They are not glamming that open
[33:39] anyway. No hide.
[33:40] They don't even really talk about his boxing training at
[33:43] all, which is so cool. And the the, the, the boxing
[33:48] scenes kind of serve as just a way for him to let out the rage
[33:51] that's building up in his personal life.
[33:54] Yeah. They're like just these boiling
[33:56] point moments in the movie. So yeah, I much prefer that kind
[34:01] of movie. Yeah, than the Bohemian
[34:03] Rhapsodies of the World. Yeah, I agree with you as well.
[34:06] It's a film that I've maybe only seen twice before really
[34:10] watching it, because it isn't, it isn't an easy, easy watch.
[34:15] Yeah, there are a lot of tough situations, tough language.
[34:20] Vicky is 15 and that's that's hard to bear.
[34:25] And also, yeah, Jake is, I mean, he's a despicable character, but
[34:29] I think it's it's a measure of De Niro's performance that do
[34:34] still feel sorry for him right at the end when he's he's left,
[34:37] he's crumbled. He's got nothing.
[34:39] It's like I'm overweight. Another thing to talk about.
[34:43] Yeah, well, you, you pity him like it's so sad at the end.
[34:47] It's the most tragic thing when when you see him do any stand up
[34:50] routine, which is like this. Very middle of the road humor
[34:53] that that's kind of delivered with no class and and he's
[34:57] drinking and he's overweight. And then you see there's like 4
[34:59] people at the bar and two of them are heckling them and it's
[35:01] like wow what a fall from a completely self-inflicted fall
[35:06] from great. Like there's no one else to
[35:07] blame in the whole movie. Thanks.
[35:11] Thanks for laughing. Spread it around.
[35:12] Now the first night I was here, I said to the owner of the
[35:17] journey, I said listen, where's the Tarlin?
[35:20] He said you're in. Come on, let's go, let's go.
[35:25] Hey, why don't you leave me alone?
[35:26] I'm trying to do my routine up. Yours.
[35:28] And pal, you're going to force me to make a comeback?
[35:32] Ronnie. Fuck you and a horse you rode in
[35:36] on and the whole cavalry behind you.
[35:40] Funny. Man.
[35:44] That's why I'm here. Give another drink, piss in it
[35:50] for me. It's just so sad.
[35:53] And then the near the the fact that it's probably, it could be
[35:55] the first time an actor has been so committed to a role to gain
[35:59] the weight. I know Paul Schrader, the
[36:01] writer, that was like the one big argument about the movie
[36:05] where he was like, no, you can't gain the weight.
[36:07] Well, it's too unhealthy. We'll make prosthetics and and
[36:10] De Niro insisted, no, give me give me 3 months.
[36:12] I'm going to gain the weight and it's going to work.
[36:14] And it totally does because you see when when you realize it's
[36:18] actually real, because there's so many scenes where his shirt
[36:21] wide open and the belly's hanging out and you're like,
[36:23] that's not prosthetic. And you can hear it in the way
[36:26] he talks. His breathing is not as good.
[36:28] It's affecting his whole life. And without De Niro doing that,
[36:33] it just wouldn't have been as as believable.
[36:35] It's like what Christian Bale does for every movie now, but De
[36:38] Niro was the first to do it. Yeah, I think he held that
[36:41] record for, well, he held it until I think Vincent D'onofrio
[36:45] put on loads of wear to be private pile in full metal
[36:48] jacket. Oh wow, really?
[36:51] Yeah, because he was a thin guy. And then you.
[36:53] Put your no way. Yeah.
[36:55] I didn't know that. I just assumed that was a big
[36:57] guy. Yeah, I.
[36:59] Did like throughout the 80s he did that even more.
[37:03] What amazes me slims down and then he's he's still got a
[37:05] little bit of puppy fat for King of Comedy and I think that's 82
[37:09] and then he puts on wait for Al Capone in 87 and then in
[37:12] Midnight Run he's this skinny guy a year later.
[37:14] It's a remarkable. Right and taxi driver, he's this
[37:18] clown he. Can.
[37:18] Yeah. Yeah, in amazing shape.
[37:21] Yeah, A King of Comedy was one I almost put on the list as well.
[37:26] That and Raising Bull I love so much.
[37:28] Because they're not the typical Scorsese movies.
[37:31] Like there's there's no massive set pieces or they're not
[37:37] typical gangster movie. You know, I know Scorsese kind
[37:39] of does everything but but I just love the how kind of
[37:43] understated those two are and how interesting the character
[37:46] characters are. King of cup And did you like the
[37:48] Joker? The the Joker The very much I
[37:53] absolutely loved it. And that's I don't understand
[37:56] why it's such a mixed like the reviews seem so I know it's
[38:00] probably the political like the thing of, yeah, glorifying
[38:03] violence or whatever, but whatever.
[38:05] I mean, that's. Yeah, I, I think Phoenix's
[38:08] performance is incredible. I love the tone, the script,
[38:11] amazing. I love the character and the
[38:13] building of that character. I mean, it's not, it's not the
[38:16] most sunny of films to watch, but I was blown away by it.
[38:20] Me too and and for me it's a re re watchable one.
[38:23] It's also fun. I think it's fun to watch.
[38:26] Like it's it's terrible what's happening.
[38:28] But I mean, it's so well executed and the performances
[38:31] are great. And that moment when he kills De
[38:34] Niro was character. It's just it's shocking and it's
[38:38] like the tension there is unbelievable.
[38:40] But like that's that's totally from Taxi Driver and King of
[38:43] Comedy and and De Niro's performances.
[38:46] And yeah, I just I love King of Comedy.
[38:50] I remember renting it on DVD because I hadn't heard of it.
[38:52] It wasn't like a well known Scorsese hit or anything, and I
[38:57] got it on DVD way back in the day just because I thought it
[39:00] looked like a fun comedy and rob heroes in it and it wasn't what
[39:04] I was expecting. But yeah, that could have been
[39:07] on this list too. I really love that.
[39:08] Movie, it's huge. There's the I think Scorsese's
[39:11] film after that was After Hours, and that's probably even more
[39:14] low key than I didn't see After Comedy.
[39:17] Oh, it's fantastic. Well.
[39:19] It's great, well worth checking out.
[39:21] There's actually a lot of Scorsese movies I haven't seen.
[39:24] I realize I've seen a lot too, but there's so much.
[39:27] There's so many, yeah. OK, so talked about your your
[39:32] music and obviously everything's going great, it's working out.
[39:36] But did you have anything in mind or anything back up as a
[39:40] secondary career if it didn't work out?
[39:43] Not really. I kind of think not having a
[39:47] backup is what made it, made me stay doing it.
[39:50] You know, I had a star for it for a long time.
[39:53] And you know, it's not like I'm making lots of money now, but
[39:57] I'm able to pay rent and survive and play shows all the time and
[40:01] people are listening. So that's was always my goal.
[40:04] But you know, an early age, you don't believe it's possible
[40:07] because I had no, I'm from a tiny village and there was no
[40:09] one really to look to that was making a living off art or
[40:14] creative endeavors. So it always felt like play
[40:16] time. But when I was like 15 or 16, I
[40:20] started playing in local pubs and making a living that way,
[40:23] like making more money than my friends.
[40:25] Because if you're getting £100 to play in the pub, that's more
[40:28] than your friend is getting for working at the local shop, you
[40:31] know. So at the time I was like, maybe
[40:34] I can make a living. And my parents, you know, we're
[40:36] very supportive of it. They love that I play music and
[40:38] they've never tried to steer me in any other direction.
[40:41] So I was lucky in that sense that I didn't have this pressure
[40:44] to find a career, but I went to university.
[40:47] I thought I was going to maybe become a teacher, but it really
[40:51] was just because society tells you you need to figure something
[40:55] out. And then things started
[40:58] happening for me and I was able to make a living playing music.
[41:00] So I dropped out of college and and have never looked back.
[41:04] I never really had a nine to five so.
[41:06] Fantastic. Yeah.
[41:07] Well, I mean, it's so. I mean, that's the amazing
[41:09] success story. Follow your dreams and and you
[41:12] and it worked out for you as well.
[41:14] And the last thing you want to do is stifle that by saying,
[41:16] well, if it doesn't work, I'll give it six months and then.
[41:19] That's how I feel, yeah. Because honestly, if I had done
[41:22] that, I would have went, I would have just went with the safety
[41:24] net because I wasn't that good at all.
[41:27] And I still feel like I'm getting better, but, but you
[41:31] know, I've been doing it for 15 years professionally now.
[41:34] And so of course I'm getting a bit better.
[41:36] But if after five years, I also had this job where I could make
[41:39] $500 a week or something, not even that much, I would have
[41:43] just done it for the for the comfort of having some money
[41:47] and, and I wouldn't have got better.
[41:49] I just got better because I had to and because I it's all I did.
[41:52] So yeah, for me not having that safety net is the reason I'm
[41:55] still doing it. And I think fantastic if you
[41:57] really believe that's what you want to do and that you can do
[42:00] it. I think having a safety and
[42:01] that's just going to stifle you so.
[42:03] Yeah, yeah, OK, So what about film #4 Pass?
[42:08] Which one are we going for? That one is back to the futures
[42:13] in there isn't. It Yeah.
[42:15] Why have you chosen this one? Well, because it was getting
[42:18] very heavy, the list in there, something in there that's not so
[42:24] dark and unwatchable. And I don't know if there is a
[42:27] more watchable movie than Back to the Future.
[42:30] And honestly, aside from it not being dark, it's perfect.
[42:34] Like it's probably the best movie of the list because it's
[42:36] just there's no waste of time that the amount of enjoyable
[42:42] concepts that every kid and every person would love to
[42:46] explore. Like going back in time and
[42:48] seeing your parents in school. Like yes, you actually as if
[42:52] Back to the future didn't exist. It's something you discuss with
[42:54] your friend. Like it's just great to see it
[42:56] executed so well on screen. Like something you wish you
[42:59] could do. The DeLorean looks cool.
[43:01] All the characters are iconic. Like Doc, is it Doc Brown?
[43:05] His name is Doc. Brown.
[43:06] Yeah. Who actually saw?
[43:09] Drinking a coffee a few months ago.
[43:11] Really. I was staying at my.
[43:13] My girlfriend's brother has an apartment in Soho.
[43:16] Really nice place. And it's above this coffee shop
[43:20] that that Christopher Lloyd drinks coffee in like every
[43:25] three or four days. Like, he's there all the time
[43:28] and you're just going to see him when you walk out.
[43:30] Wow. Street.
[43:30] So I saw him there, which was cool.
[43:33] Yeah. Beside the point, though.
[43:35] So, yeah, just all the characters are great.
[43:37] Marty McFly, the coolest. You just want to be him when
[43:41] you're a kid. There's just everything is in
[43:43] there. It's hilarious.
[43:45] It's scared, really scary, really tense and just time
[43:49] travel. I mean, it's yeah, it's
[43:52] fantastic. And I love Robert Zemeckis as
[43:54] well. Like everything.
[43:55] Most of what he's done. I love.
[43:56] I love Castaway. I love I loved Fly.
[44:00] I'm a big Zemeckis fan but. Yeah, really.
[44:03] Masterpiece. Oh, it's fun.
[44:04] I mean, some of the concepts, some of the ideas.
[44:07] I just, I, I'm, I'm constantly surprised.
[44:10] It's just, it's a. Soundtrack.
[44:12] Film the soundtracks amazed and that power of love right at the
[44:15] start, yeah. So great, but like even the
[44:19] little moments where I can't remember the exact music, but
[44:23] there there are movies and is it John Williams?
[44:26] It's not John Williams. Is it it's?
[44:27] Alan Silvestri. Alan Silvestri.
[44:29] OK, But it has that John Williams thing where, yeah,
[44:33] they're just very memorable moments throughout.
[44:35] And yeah, the soundtrack does half the work even.
[44:39] It's just, it's perfect. It really is and so digestible
[44:44] and easy to rewatch. Oh and yeah, just the rewatch
[44:47] ability of it is just fantastic. Yeah.
[44:50] That scene right at the end, the Johnny B Goode scene, just
[44:55] always gets me. He just absolutely love it.
[44:58] And I think is that him playing it?
[45:00] I think he is a guitar player, isn't he?
[45:03] Yeah, I think he, yeah, I think he, it's not his voice, even
[45:07] though it sounds like him, but he did learn.
[45:10] He learned the the chords. Yeah.
[45:11] He's a convincing guitar player. You know, he just looks like a
[45:14] cool front man. It's just so funny as well.
[45:18] Yeah. All that scene where the band
[45:20] leaders, like on the phone to. Who's is he on the phone to?
[45:25] Chuck Berry. Chuck Berry, Yeah.
[45:26] Yeah, yeah. I think I found that sound
[45:28] you're looking for. Yeah.
[45:31] Yeah. Doesn't he try and play?
[45:33] He tries to play Van Halen first or something.
[45:35] Yeah, he's tapping like Van Halen.
[45:38] Oh, no, He ends with Van Halen. And that's what he was, Yeah.
[45:41] He does a bit of Pete Townsend some windmills.
[45:44] Right. Yeah.
[45:45] Yeah. Yeah.
[45:47] It's just fun. You know, it's kind of, it'll
[45:49] always be up there as one of my favorite movies ever and from an
[45:52] air. Like it's one of those few that
[45:54] you see when you're 10 and you absolutely love it, and then you
[45:57] rewatch when you're 30 and you still love it.
[45:59] Like, yeah. Whereas a lot of times you'll go
[46:01] back and watch your stuff you loved at that age and it's
[46:03] doesn't really stand up. Whereas this just will always
[46:08] like, if I can't wait to have kids to show them this movie,
[46:11] going to love it more than that. And that's out at the time.
[46:13] Like it's just, it's timeless. It's fantastic.
[46:16] No pun intended. The characters, I mean, just
[46:20] incredible. And obviously Marty and Doc, but
[46:24] Biff as a bad guy is just TomTom Wilson.
[46:28] He's he's incredible. And Chris Mcglover as George
[46:32] McFly is just amazing out of control.
[46:35] It's sad what happened to him. Do you know the controversy with
[46:38] the with the second movie and. Yeah, didn't he?
[46:41] He didn't. He didn't.
[46:43] There was something contractual. He didn't get paid what he
[46:45] wanted to something like that. It was something like that.
[46:48] And so he pulled out of filming and then they got a different
[46:51] actor and put like prosthetics on him to make it look like it
[46:54] was him, which kind of is bad form.
[46:58] Yeah. And then so he sued them and
[47:00] actually, I think changed the law where you can't do anything
[47:04] like that anymore, like using there's likeness.
[47:06] And but yeah, so he he has a real bitter taste about the
[47:09] whole franchise, I think. And that's sad, but but he was
[47:12] amazing in it. Like such a perfect not nerd.
[47:16] Incredible. Something about the the sequel.
[47:19] I always like you said, you're always the it's something that
[47:22] you always think about. It's something like a kid you,
[47:25] it's just you look and wonder at.
[47:26] It's something about the sequel that that Almanac, the greatest
[47:30] sports Almanac. Yeah, I think I think about that
[47:32] every week if I'm watching, if I'm watching sport and I think I
[47:36] wish I had a greatest sports Almanac.
[47:39] Me too, yeah. And when you're young, yeah,
[47:42] there's something about all the props and everything that's
[47:45] mentioned. That sports Almanac just feels
[47:47] so Hollywood in my memory and like, beautiful.
[47:50] And as a kid, you lost after it you just because it's such a
[47:54] obviously that's what you'd want if you travel time.
[47:57] Like that's how you make your money and just very clever
[48:00] things. I actually can't talk much about
[48:02] the sequels because I know I watched them when I was a kid.
[48:05] I haven't rewatched them as much.
[48:07] I don't know if did they suffer like did they go down in quality
[48:10] or was it? Yeah, I mean, it was, I think
[48:14] they're still got, they're still got well received.
[48:17] I mean, it's going to be tricky to follow Back to the Future
[48:20] because it's so perfect. But I think the third one got
[48:23] better, better received than the second which, and that's the one
[48:27] that's in the Wild West. Yeah, the second one, actually,
[48:31] of all the movies, has a lot of the imagery that stuck with me
[48:34] the most, the way they depicted the future and the hoverboards
[48:39] and just the clothes he wore, which I think probably
[48:42] influenced a lot of fashion. Oh yeah.
[48:45] And that stuck with me a lot. The third one I actually saw
[48:49] more recently, and I remember thinking, yeah, this is really
[48:52] good. I mean, none of them are the
[48:53] first one, but no. But they all have things in them
[48:56] that are amazing as a trilogy. It's just obviously a classic
[49:00] thing. Yeah, the writing is great.
[49:02] Yeah, really is did Roberts to make us write it and and direct
[49:06] it? Like is it all him or did it?
[49:08] He he recorded with Bob Gale. I think he was his writing
[49:12] partner on some of his earlier films, films like I want to Hold
[49:15] Your Hand and Use Cars. Right, I haven't seen.
[49:20] I want a used cars has got Kurt Russell in.
[49:23] It's an early performance from Kurt Russell, so it's not bad.
[49:25] It's not bad. Worth checking out.
[49:28] I don't want to hold your hands about Beatlemania.
[49:31] It's actually about The Beatles, like they're at they it's.
[49:34] About no, it's about no, they don't feature.
[49:35] And it's about like the fans of Beatlemania.
[49:38] Is it like a documentary? No, no, no.
[49:40] It's like comedy. Oh wow, OK, I'll check that.
[49:43] I just watched get back. You know the the apple, right?
[49:46] Yeah. Or the Disney Plus thing.
[49:49] It's maybe the best thing I've ever seen.
[49:52] Wow. Oh my God, it was unbelievable.
[49:55] It's 9 hours, something like that, Eight hours.
[49:58] And I wish it was longer, like it was over as like because it's
[50:01] like hanging out with The Beatles every day I watched it
[50:04] like I would watch an hour and then go about my day and then
[50:06] come back and watch another hour.
[50:07] I didn't even episodically kind of split it up.
[50:10] I just whenever I had time, I put it on.
[50:12] But it's something you could rewatch for sure.
[50:14] Or you could just put on in the background and while you're
[50:16] doing the dishes and just have it there because it's not like
[50:19] it's not like there's this real storyline.
[50:21] There is a storyline, but in general it's random scenes of
[50:26] them hanging out writing songs like with such ease and it's so
[50:30] natural to them to write absolute hits and they love each
[50:34] other so much, which is great to watch.
[50:37] We shouldn't be talking about The Beatles thing, but it's I
[50:39] recommend getting stuck into that.
[50:41] Yeah, I think that's going to be a watch over Christmas for me.
[50:44] Yeah, it's very inspiring. So what about Back to the
[50:48] Future? Favorite scene?
[50:49] Have you got 1? Again, that's a tough one to to
[50:52] single out a scene and what's coming to my mind.
[50:56] I I like the scene where he's his mother fancies him and she's
[51:01] trying to get with him in the car.
[51:04] Yeah. Or something like that.
[51:05] And then Biff gets in the car and he comes out and beats up
[51:09] Biff, and that's just a very satisfying moment where he like
[51:12] punches beef and. That's where George clocks beef.
[51:14] Yeah, I mean. George Clocks, yeah.
[51:42] Are you OK? Pat, you and you said that
[52:04] you're, you're in Austin and that's where you that's where
[52:06] you lay your head now that's that's where you call home.
[52:09] Yeah. How did that come about?
[52:10] Because you're from Southern Ireland originally.
[52:13] Yeah, well, I'm a musician. It's all, it's all I've ever
[52:17] done. And traditionally January is
[52:19] like a quiet month. And so I would always take
[52:21] January to myself to travel, go somewhere new.
[52:24] And in 2017, I, I decided to just, I'd never really explored
[52:29] America. I'd visited New York a few
[52:31] times, but I was like, I'm just going to go and travel and see
[52:34] different parts of America. And I came to Austin because I
[52:38] had a friend who lived in Houston who is actually my
[52:42] manager now, right? And he was like, come on down to
[52:45] Austin. I think you'll love it.
[52:46] I didn't know about Austin. I didn't realize the reputation.
[52:49] It's the live music capital of the world.
[52:51] It's home to all this great music, like it's one of the most
[52:55] cultural like musical towns I've ever seen.
[52:59] And probably that there is. And so I arrived and the airport
[53:02] had this great music plan. Like there was a live band in
[53:05] the airport and I was like, wow, this is a good stare.
[53:08] I got in a taxi and I was like, bring me to your favorite bar.
[53:13] And he brought me to this place called Mean Eyed Cat, which is
[53:15] like a Johnny Cash themed bar, which was a cool bar, but there
[53:19] was no one in it except this one old man who looked like Santa,
[53:23] had this great beard and a cowboy hat.
[53:25] And he was really friendly. His name is Winker.
[53:27] And turns out he's this legend who goes around to all the geeks
[53:31] taking photos and everyone knows him.
[53:32] And he was like, come with me to this bar around the corner.
[53:35] It's called Don's Depot. And there was this musician
[53:38] called Chris Gage playing who's like a famous piano player who
[53:42] played with Jerry Jeff Walker and all these famous Texas guys.
[53:46] And he was just one of the best musicians I'd ever seen.
[53:48] He was just playing in this bar and he I got talking to the
[53:52] barmaid and he eventually asked me up to sing and then I was
[53:57] like, this is the best place I've ever been.
[53:59] It from that moment I knew obviously I spent another two
[54:02] weeks in the town and saw all this great music and met these
[54:04] great people. But I, when I came back to
[54:07] Ireland, I couldn't shake the feeling of being in a town,
[54:10] being able to play original music to this community that
[54:12] adore it and eat it up and they just want to hear original
[54:16] stuff. Which in Ireland I was doing a
[54:17] lot of cover gigs at the time. I was playing weddings and
[54:20] playing in pubs and really soulless stuff that they were,
[54:24] it was paying the bills, but it wasn't feeding my soul in any
[54:27] way. And I was like, if I go to
[54:29] Austin I could probably start writing songs and actually be
[54:35] proud of what I'm doing. So I made the plans to tie up
[54:38] any loose ends at home, sold my car, stopped taking bookings and
[54:42] the following year got a visa and moved over and never looked
[54:45] back. Thankfully it worked out really
[54:46] well. Like hit the ground running and
[54:48] met some great people and and it's been it's been amazing.
[54:52] I don't it feels like home as well.
[54:54] Obviously I miss Ireland. I love Ireland, but but I've
[54:57] found a home for myself here and I see myself growing old in
[55:00] Austin, you know? Wow, incredible.
[55:03] Big change of of lifestyle and do you feel as though like the
[55:06] landscape or the the history of the the city or or the
[55:10] surroundings have an impact on on your songwriting?
[55:13] Hugely, the stuff I listen to has changed a lot since moving
[55:17] here, like the people I mentioned earlier, like Guy
[55:20] Clark and Towns Vanzant and James Mcmurtry.
[55:23] And, and aside from that, the people who are just playing now
[55:26] regularly embarrassed around town, who I get to see all the
[55:29] time are incredible and totally changed the way I write songs
[55:33] and, and I get to play with them.
[55:36] So I play with these great musicians all the time and
[55:39] they've made me become better at music, at the the technical side
[55:43] of playing guitar. I'm just better at doing it now
[55:46] because of being around these people and seeing and I'm
[55:49] totally entrenched in it all the time.
[55:51] I live, I live around music 24/7 and my friends are musicians.
[55:56] And really, it wasn't like that for me at home.
[55:59] I would go and do my wedding and get paid.
[56:01] But really, you're playing Brown Eyed Girls four nights a week.
[56:05] And yeah, you're not learning anything.
[56:07] You're not growing and you're not.
[56:08] I wasn't, right? I didn't write really until they
[56:11] moved here. So it had a huge effect on my
[56:15] music and. Wow, quite a journey.
[56:19] Absolutely, yeah. I was 28 when I moved here and I
[56:22] hadn't finished the song at that stage, so, so I was very late to
[56:26] the game. But it was good to be surrounded
[56:28] by pros and really talented people.
[56:31] And that's kind of, I feel like I'm getting better all the time,
[56:35] you know? Cool.
[56:36] OK, So what about film #5 what's your final pick?
[56:40] But. You tell me, Luke.
[56:42] I can't remember what I said. Cuckoo's Nest.
[56:46] Oh, of course. Well, yeah, I mean, I think most
[56:50] people who've seen it would put it up there and it's just it's
[56:53] another perfect one. Jack, Jack Nicholson just being
[56:57] amazing, the story so great and classic characters.
[57:03] It's another one I haven't seen in a long time, but but the
[57:07] first time I watched it, it was another one of those moments
[57:10] where maybe that's the best movie I've ever seen.
[57:13] He can't really improve on it. And and you love the characters
[57:17] and it's a fun film to watch. It's not Yeah, it's not a
[57:20] difficult watch. It's just beautiful and there's
[57:24] great messages in there and. It's got a great mixture, a
[57:27] great balance of that, the dramatic and the and the comedic
[57:31] as well. It really does.
[57:32] Christopher Lloyd in there again.
[57:34] Yeah. And Danny, a young Danny DeVito
[57:38] being super lovable. And.
[57:40] And you just love Jack Nicholson's character so much.
[57:43] You love his kind of rebellious and how sad it is that that's
[57:47] kind of. They're trying to take that from
[57:49] him and make him conform. And Milas Foreman, I think,
[57:53] didn't he? He says he wrote it, or sorry,
[57:56] who wrote it. It's Lawrence Halben and Ball
[57:59] Goldman who wrote it, and it's adapted from the the novel the
[58:04] Ken Ken, Ken Ken Kesey, I think something like that.
[58:10] And he used to host these like acid taking parties and and
[58:14] stuff in his house. And I think it was the movie
[58:17] came directly out of an acid trip.
[58:19] He said he took acid nowhere the whole movie came to and he wrote
[58:22] it down and that's where it came from, which I kind of a lot of
[58:26] times when I watch movies like especially Lighthouse, I'm like,
[58:31] this came from an acid trip. It just seems that these ideas
[58:34] are ideas that come to you when you're tripping really hard and
[58:38] you're trying to make sense of things.
[58:39] But yeah, I just thought that was interesting that he wrote it
[58:42] while he was tripping. Wow, Didn't I know that it was
[58:46] it was Kirk Douglas who he was in the stage player for it and
[58:51] he wanted to bring it to the big screen, but nobody, nobody would
[58:54] take it. And then he gave the rights or
[58:57] he sold the rights. And then Michael Douglas bought
[59:00] the rights. And he he was a pretty sure he
[59:02] was an Oscar win and producer before he was even Michael
[59:04] Douglas, which I always find fascinating.
[59:07] I remember reading that, yeah. So it had been a play for a long
[59:10] time. I.
[59:12] Think it was published in the 50s.
[59:14] OK. I think it's one of those movies
[59:17] that kind of you can go back like Back to the Future for me,
[59:20] and obviously not as popcorn and fun as Back to the Future, but
[59:23] you can always go back. And it's an it's an uplifting,
[59:26] life affirming movie while also being very tragic.
[59:29] And yeah. Great characters.
[59:31] That's kind of maybe a theme with a lot of the movies I've
[59:33] chosen. I love the characters and the
[59:35] performances as much as anything, and that's kind of
[59:38] what I seek out in movies. And Jack Nicholson's at the top
[59:42] of his game in this one, so. Yeah, and such a triumphant
[59:45] moment when Chief leaves, he finally breaks free at the end.
[59:49] That's the scene, isn't it? Yeah, That's amazing.
[59:52] And Nurse Wretched is such a great villain.
[59:55] Yeah, Like just so stern and doesn't really understate it,
[59:59] but like. She's representing everything
[1:00:02] that is holding him down, you know?
[1:00:04] Yeah, yeah. But she's not, I mean, she's in
[1:00:07] a certain respect. She's not like a super villain
[1:00:09] or she's not doing anything terrible.
[1:00:11] No, I mean, it's it's Jack Nicholson's character.
[1:00:14] That's that's that's the breaker, basically.
[1:00:17] He knows that. He knows the rules.
[1:00:20] Right. But you're kind of on his side
[1:00:22] as well because the rules are there to be broken.
[1:00:25] And, you know, he's making life better for all these other
[1:00:27] patients and. Yeah.
[1:00:29] Yeah, yeah, I wish. I, I haven't watched that in
[1:00:32] maybe like 7 or 8 years. And I, I wish movies stuck with
[1:00:36] me as much as, you know, as I wanted them to.
[1:00:40] Like I can't. It's hard for me to pick a pair
[1:00:42] of scenes from a movie I haven't seen that long.
[1:00:45] I don't know if you're like that.
[1:00:46] Like if you've watched, it's very easy for me to talk about a
[1:00:49] movie I saw last week or yesterday, but go back further
[1:00:52] than that. It's just harder for me to
[1:00:53] remember details. Yeah, yeah.
[1:00:55] I don't know if it comes with age.
[1:00:58] I find that sometimes in my memory, actually my memories
[1:01:02] shockingly bad, terrible, like everyday things, everyday things
[1:01:06] I'm terrible at. But with films like character
[1:01:10] names, years, the release years, what they won at the Oscars, I
[1:01:14] know all of that. I don't know, it's just sticks.
[1:01:17] I don't know, I. Suppose it's like that with some
[1:01:19] things for me, like Back to the Future, although I've seen Back
[1:01:22] to the Future probably 20 times, so there's something to that,
[1:01:26] whereas I've probably seen Cuckoo's Nest two or three times
[1:01:30] and all a long time ago. But yeah, my memory could be
[1:01:34] better. So, are you able to remember
[1:01:37] your favorite team from Cuckoo's Nest?
[1:01:40] Well, I'll say, Chief, you know, throwing the sink out the window
[1:01:42] and that's so like, I mean, it just is great.
[1:02:07] And I love the soundtrack for that movie too.
[1:02:10] It just has this light hearted feel even during the most awful
[1:02:14] moments. Like it's it makes it all seem
[1:02:17] like a nice story that you could read to a kid.
[1:02:21] Yeah, yeah, it is a little late. That's that's Jack Nietzsche.
[1:02:25] He worked on Harvest with Neil Young.
[1:02:27] I think he worked with the Stones as well.
[1:02:30] Oh my. God, wow.
[1:02:31] And I think he was only when he worked on harvest, I think he
[1:02:34] was only a 19 or 20 year old kid who who just showed up and he
[1:02:38] was like multi instrumentalist. He was multi talented and Neil
[1:02:42] Young got him in. Cool.
[1:02:43] I like when movies use, you know, contemporary artists.
[1:02:49] Like did you see Suspiria that recent?
[1:02:52] Haven't I love I love the original but I haven't got round
[1:02:55] to see in the the remake. And Radiohead, what's, what's
[1:02:59] Radiohead singer's name? Tom York.
[1:03:01] Tom York. Wow, there's my memory.
[1:03:03] He did the soundtrack and I just absolutely love it.
[1:03:06] And then Johnny Greenwood from Radiohead do There Will Be Blood
[1:03:10] soundtrack. And Paul Thomas Anderson, always
[1:03:12] amazing. And anytime Randy Newman does
[1:03:15] the soundtrack, I love it. Yeah, I just love when people
[1:03:19] trust a singer-songwriter with a soundtrack, like a contemporary
[1:03:23] musician who you can hear also doing like, pop songs.
[1:03:26] Yeah, the Trent Reznor stuff with that he does for Fincher.
[1:03:31] Amazing. It's not necessarily my type of
[1:03:33] music, but that the stuff he does for Fincher's films, it is
[1:03:36] incredible. Yeah, when you're talking about
[1:03:38] soundtracks, it kind of your your your style of music goes
[1:03:42] out to window. It's just doesn't suit the
[1:03:44] movie. And is it really good?
[1:03:46] And he what else has he done? Like I know he did The Social
[1:03:49] Network. What other movies did he do with
[1:03:50] Fincher? He did The Girl with the Dragon
[1:03:53] Tattoo. Oh, right, yeah.
[1:03:54] Yeah, and he did Gone Girl as well, I believe.
[1:03:56] Oh, he did. OK, I think so.
[1:03:59] Very cool. Incredible.
[1:04:01] Yeah. Cool.
[1:04:02] OK, so I've got just to wrap us up.
[1:04:04] I've got just a few quick fire questions, but just answer the
[1:04:07] first answer that comes to your mind.
[1:04:09] OK, so you're doing a soundtrack for a movie.
[1:04:12] Who's the director and who's the star?
[1:04:15] Living or dead? Oh, that's so sorry.
[1:04:20] It's not more quick fire. I think Scorsese and De Niro is
[1:04:26] just the the marriage. I like Paul Thomas Anderson
[1:04:29] working with Daniel Dale Lewis as well.
[1:04:32] I think that's kind of undeniable.
[1:04:34] Fantastic. Two quick fires, sorry.
[1:04:36] That's all right. What's your Have you got a
[1:04:39] favorite movie soundtrack? And so many like I, it's kind of
[1:04:46] an obvious answer that I love the Inception soundtrack a lot.
[1:04:49] Oh. It's huge.
[1:04:50] I'll just say that Inception. Cool.
[1:04:54] OK, in a film about your life, what songs would be on the
[1:04:57] soundtrack that's. The Way the World Goes Round by
[1:05:00] John Prine and oh, what else? Some Randy Newman song.
[1:05:11] Because I just love Randy Newman's, right?
[1:05:13] Yeah, You can leave your hat on version.
[1:05:17] Yeah, there's two there. Would be cool.
[1:05:22] And who plays you in that film? Oh man, I've never thought about
[1:05:29] that. John Goodman.
[1:05:33] I can't see the resemblance. My friend, my friends always as
[1:05:37] a joke say that to me that John Goodman would play me.
[1:05:40] So I'm just going to. Oh well, there you.
[1:05:41] Go. I'm just John Goodman.
[1:05:42] It is. Josh Harm from Queens of the
[1:05:44] Stone Age. He.
[1:05:45] Would all right he. Would start an acting career to
[1:05:48] play me just because he's OK. Ginger.
[1:05:51] OK, so out of the five films that you've talked about, if you
[1:05:54] could only save one, which would which would it be?
[1:05:59] Oh man, I haven't seen it in the longest but like probably one
[1:06:03] floor of the cookies Nest is just such a classic.
[1:06:07] Although Back to the Future, no, a world without Back to the
[1:06:09] Future is not a world I want to be in, so I'll save that.
[1:06:13] Fantastic. OK, and finally, if you could
[1:06:16] choose one of your songs to play as the credits roll on Back to
[1:06:19] the Future. I would ruin the movie.
[1:06:23] I don't think any of the any of my songs would help enhance that
[1:06:26] movie at all. And God, none of them would fit.
[1:06:32] Maybe. I have a song called Capsize and
[1:06:34] that's probably the most uplifting, fun song, and it
[1:06:37] needs one of those. It can.
[1:06:39] Yeah, it does. And that's that is the song that
[1:06:41] I had in mind as well. Great song.
[1:06:43] Fantastic. Thanks a lot man.
[1:06:46] Great. OK, so you've got a new single,
[1:06:48] Outpad that's only a Man that came out mid-december.
[1:06:52] Fantastic track. Have you got anything, anythings
[1:06:55] that lined up for 2022 gigs? Any new music?
[1:06:58] Any writing? Yeah, lots of stuff.
[1:07:00] I've been writing a lot, so lots of music coming out.
[1:07:03] I'll probably just be releasing singles from now on.
[1:07:05] The Bacon and album takes a lot of time and a lot of money and I
[1:07:08] just don't have that time or money at the minute.
[1:07:10] So I'm going to be releasing singles hopefully every couple
[1:07:13] of months and then cool kind of get back to Ireland in February
[1:07:16] for it remains to be seen if there'll be any live music
[1:07:20] happening in Ireland, but if there is, I'll be playing in
[1:07:22] February and then I'll be back in August for shows in Ireland.
[1:07:26] And I'm doing South by Southwest this year and a singer
[1:07:29] songwriters festival in Florida and a few cool festivals around
[1:07:32] America. So yeah, just trying to keep
[1:07:35] busy and keep keep the momentum going is all.
[1:07:38] Fantastic. Yeah, OK.
[1:07:41] It sounds great. Look forward to that.
[1:07:43] Well, Pat, it's been great talking to you.
[1:07:45] Thanks so much for coming on the show, going through your
[1:07:47] favorite films. I really appreciate you coming
[1:07:49] on the show. It's been great.
[1:07:51] Thank you Luke, anytime I have an excuse to watch movies and
[1:07:54] make it look like work would be wonderful, so feel free to
[1:07:58] return again. I can, I will do fantastic.
[1:08:02] I don't tell Lane. Thanks very much, Pat, much
[1:08:04] appreciate it. Take care.
[1:08:13] Thank you to Pad for stopping by.
[1:08:15] You can check out his latest record, Into the Light, which is
[1:08:17] available to stream everywhere, as is his latest single, Only a
[1:08:20] Man. Both great.
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