# A Life In Movies: Alex Zane

An episode of [All The Right Movies](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1471502633), 10 Mar 2025, 1 h 11 min.

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## Transcript

[0:04] All the rent movies. Hi everyone, welcome to A Life
[0:38] in Movies, the interview show from all the right movies.
[0:40] My name is Luke, I'm John and on the show we talk to people in
[0:43] entertainment about three of their favorite films.
[0:46] Today we're talking to comedian, writer, DJTV presenter and all
[0:50] round movie aficionado Alex Zain.
[0:53] Great to have you on the show. Alex, how are you doing?
[0:55] Gentlemen, thank you for having me.
[0:57] It's lovely to be here. Lovely to be here talking movies
[0:59] with you too. So, yeah, very well.
[1:01] Thanks. Good, good where you're at,
[1:03] Alex, where you best. I'm in North London currently
[1:07] and I just took the the dog out for a big two hour walk.
[1:11] So we should be undisturbed because I'm recording, recording
[1:14] from home and he's currently passed out on the couch.
[1:17] He has this really weird habit of waiting until I'm doing an
[1:21] interview in my broom cupboard upstairs, a lot like the the old
[1:25] children's BBC broom cupboard. He like Gordon the Gopher, he
[1:28] pops up and just goes. Now I'd like some attention,
[1:31] please. So I think we're going to be all
[1:33] right. Well, you were right, we do all
[1:35] the same references by the sounds of it.
[1:37] Yeah, yeah. We were just saying it's, it's
[1:40] always nice to talk to people. You say the same age so you can
[1:42] go. You remember the broom cupboard?
[1:44] Yeah. That's our listenership
[1:47] completely turned off there. Doing a bit of research into you
[1:52] for this, Alex. Actually, I was surprised to see
[1:54] because I didn't know that you are originally from Leeds.
[1:57] I am originally from Leeds. Why are you either of you?
[2:00] 2 Leeds boys you know are you? No, but I used to live there for
[2:03] quite a few years so I was. I was wondering where you're
[2:05] from originally. Let's do this.
[2:07] Were you were you a student there?
[2:08] So were you like not? Far from Hyde Park, but I worked
[2:12] there. I worked in Headingley and I
[2:14] lived in Chapel Allerton. Oh, I know Chapel Out and so I'm
[2:17] just down the road from Chapel Out.
[2:19] This is going to get very niche very quickly.
[2:20] So do you know Oakwood, Oakwood Clock where they've got the very
[2:24] the retro fish bar, Best fish and chips?
[2:26] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I live literally live just
[2:30] behind that. Well, I used to, I grew up just
[2:31] behind there. My mum's still up there.
[2:33] But yeah, Leeds is a great city. It is a great city, beautiful
[2:36] city. Very nice pleasant
[2:37] reminiscences. I wish I was a part of them.
[2:40] Yeah, a a great fish and chip recommendation if anyone is ever
[2:43] in the Oakwood area stopping to Oakwood fish bar it is.
[2:46] I'm not kidding. I've had fish and chips on the
[2:48] coast that don't taste as good as inner city lead fish and
[2:52] chips. A surprising shout out for
[2:55] awkward fish bar that I was I wasn't expecting.
[2:59] I told you, I told you it was going to get niche very quickly,
[3:02] even though I didn't anticipate just how niche it was going to
[3:05] get. A local fish and chip shop in
[3:07] Oakwood, Leeds. I had you're the 1st guest on
[3:11] Life in Movies from the UK, Alex.
[3:12] So that's a quite a milestone for us.
[3:14] Thank you. I'm honoured.
[3:15] Thank you. Thank.
[3:16] You So come to you live from North London.
[3:20] We're going to talk about 3 movies that Alex has chosen.
[3:23] Are these your top three favorite films of all time,
[3:25] Alex? One of them is one of them is my
[3:28] favorite film of all time. The other two are movies that I
[3:31] very much like, one of which I think is criminally underrated.
[3:36] So I'm looking forward to talking about that.
[3:37] But yeah, I think the first movie we're going to talk about
[3:40] is, in my opinion, the greatest film ever made.
[3:42] Well, it's OK. Very nice.
[3:44] So go for it. Alex, what is your first choice?
[3:48] My first choice, gentleman. Oh, it's a bit like blind date,
[3:51] isn't it? There's another reference.
[3:52] There's another reference for just I'd like to pick for my
[3:58] first movie, Jaws. Oh yes, what a way to start from
[4:02] 1975. Written by Karl Gottlieb and
[4:04] Peter Benchley and based on Benchley's novel, Jaws was
[4:07] masterfully directed by Steven Spielberg.
[4:10] Roy Scheider stars as Martin Brodie, the police chief of
[4:12] Amity who was convinced that the island is under threat from a
[4:15] great white shark. Setting off on the ocean waves.
[4:18] With salty sea dog Quint and oceanographer Hooper, the
[4:21] mismatched trio, fierce and epic, struggle to bring peace
[4:23] back to their shores. We've got the head, the tail,
[4:27] the whole damn thing here. Alex, why have you chosen Jaws?
[4:30] This was no boating accident. Do you remember the first time
[4:36] you saw the film Alex? I I absolutely do.
[4:38] Yeah. So Jaws has had the biggest
[4:40] impact of all movies I've ever watched in my life.
[4:42] It's dictated my existence on this planet.
[4:45] I watched it when I was five years old and I remember
[4:48] distinctly it was on ITV. And I remember saying to my mum,
[4:51] I want to watch Jaws. I want to watch Jaws.
[4:52] I was fascinated by sharks already.
[4:54] And I was like, I want to watch Jaws.
[4:55] And my mum said no. And I was like, oh, please.
[4:58] And then in the end she said OK, but don't say I didn't warn you.
[5:04] Now I'd argue as I have done with my mum.
[5:07] At five years old, I don't really understand the concept of
[5:09] Jeopardy and she should have just stopped me watching it
[5:13] because having watched it at 5, I have never been in the sea
[5:17] since. Wow, is that true?
[5:19] That's absolutely true. I mean, just a complete
[5:22] transparency. I've got my ankles wet, I've
[5:24] paddled about in the surf, but I will not go any further than
[5:27] maybe knee height. And even then, if I'm going knee
[5:30] height, I do the thing that a lot of the generation that saw
[5:33] Jaws too young do, where you position other bathers between
[5:37] you and the open sea so you're certain that if a shark comes
[5:41] in, it's going to go for them first.
[5:42] So yeah, I, I don't go in the sea.
[5:45] I climbed out of the swimming pool during my 25 metre swimming
[5:49] certificate because I thought there was a shark in there.
[5:51] And I for 15 years or so after watching Jaws, I couldn't have
[5:56] bubbles in the bath because I needed to be able to see the
[5:59] bottom in case a trap door opened and a shark swum up and
[6:02] death. Wow, traumatized.
[6:06] It had a huge effect on me. But I again, I absolutely love
[6:10] it. I don't love its legacy because
[6:11] I'm a huge, I'm a huge shark fan.
[6:13] I sponsor a shark that is somewhere, I believe out in the
[6:17] ocean called Cut Tail. I believe he's called.
[6:20] Although I looked at the documents the other day and they
[6:22] were like, yeah, we haven't seen him for 1515 years.
[6:25] I'm like, he might well be dead and I'm still.
[6:27] Giving. That's a long time, Yeah, it's
[6:31] only a couple of days. 15 years is a long.
[6:33] Time. They haven't stopped the
[6:36] standing order though, have they?
[6:37] That's still going out. Exactly.
[6:39] I don't know whether it's transferred to another shark or
[6:41] what's going on, but yeah, I'm AI don't like the legacy.
[6:44] I don't like the fact that it's it's demonised sharks.
[6:46] I know the author Peter Benchley often talks about his biggest
[6:50] regret about the book is obviously not the millions he
[6:53] made from it. It's the fact that he turned
[6:56] sharks into this, this villain of the sea.
[6:58] But I just, I think it's a, it's a perfect film.
[7:02] Yeah, I love it as well. I mean, Speaking of the book I
[7:04] like, I can see you've got it there on your shelf.
[7:07] Oh yes, I do. This is the.
[7:08] This is the actual. This is Karl Gottlieb's Have You
[7:11] Ever Read This? This is the Jaws.
[7:12] I've not, I've not read it. It looks brilliant.
[7:13] Yeah. Oh my God, because the because
[7:16] it's one of those movies with so much rumour and history and all
[7:22] sorts of bits and pieces. That's kind of the definitive
[7:24] guide to everything that happened on set.
[7:27] So if you're a Jaws fan, I'd recommend the Jaws log.
[7:30] But yeah, it's, it's great. There's a wonderful story in
[7:34] there about Richard Xanuk and David Brown, the producers.
[7:39] Just to give you an idea, this is how little people knew about
[7:43] sharks in the 70s because obviously now we know a lot
[7:46] about them. But at this point, Xanuk and
[7:48] Brown, when they, when they decided they bought the rights
[7:51] to Jaws and they were like, we're going to make Jaws, they
[7:53] started approaching people with the request that they needed a
[7:58] trained great white shark that was comfortable enough to
[8:02] interact with divers in the water.
[8:05] And it was Peter eventually went, what are you talking
[8:08] about? There's no such thing as a
[8:11] trained shark. But that was their first port of
[8:13] call was to try and find a trained shark.
[8:17] There's another great story about how Steven Spielberg
[8:20] wasn't the first director. It was a fellow called Dick
[8:23] Richards. I don't know if you've heard
[8:24] that. And he got fired because in
[8:26] meetings with Anakin Brown, he kept calling the shark a whale
[8:30] instead of a shark. So that let him go.
[8:33] Yeah, I mean, there's so many crazy stories because obviously
[8:36] there's that famous scene in it where the shark attacks the cage
[8:42] and destroys the cage. And obviously that's a real
[8:45] shock. And they, Ron and Valerie
[8:47] Taylor, were these shark experts and they.
[8:48] That's right, yeah. They, they had a very small guy,
[8:52] Carl Rizzo, I think his name was, I think he was a former
[8:54] jockey, but he was a small guy to get this perspective of the
[8:57] shark. They wanted a small diver to go
[9:00] in the cage. And because he wanted to work in
[9:02] movies, when they said if he done any diving, he was like,
[9:05] absolutely. He'd never been diving in his
[9:07] life. So when it came to getting in
[9:10] this cage, he was really reluctant and he he held off.
[9:14] He held off. He was like, actually, maybe I
[9:16] don't want to do this. Maybe I don't want to do this.
[9:17] And then in the end, just as he was about to get in the cage,
[9:21] that shark got trapped in the rope of the cage and absolutely
[9:26] decimates it, which is what you see on screen.
[9:29] And Ron and Valerie Taylor say that if he'd been in the cage,
[9:32] he would most certainly have been and dead.
[9:34] So his absolute reluctance and fear saved his life.
[9:39] Which is why I don't go in the sea.
[9:41] Like I've got this tattoo of a shark on my wrist to remind me
[9:46] that if I ever get drunk on a beach and someone goes, hey,
[9:48] let's go in the sea, I just have to look down and remember that's
[9:52] where the sharks live. Yeah, Carl Rizzo, I think he was
[9:56] only about four foot 10 maybe or something because the one that
[9:59] he made the shark look huge. So they got a smaller person and
[10:02] they're pretty clever. Yeah, Have you read the have you
[10:05] read the the actual book? I I I held off for years and
[10:09] then I the novel. I've read the novel.
[10:11] Yeah. Yeah, I do.
[10:12] I do like it. It has a bit of a bad rap I
[10:14] think, but I do like it but not as much as the film.
[10:17] No, I think it's certainly a case of a film that's better
[10:19] than the novel. I I mean my biggest problem with
[10:22] the novel is what a Dick Hooper is in the.
[10:25] He's a he's a terrible character, yeah.
[10:27] Doesn't he sleep with Brody's wife?
[10:29] Yeah, he sleeps with his Brody's wife, has a has an affair with
[10:33] her. And so when you actually get to
[10:36] the bit, because Hooper dies in the book and the shark kind of
[10:39] holds his body like taunts Brody and quints with this body, like
[10:43] it lifts the body out of the water and sort of shows it off
[10:46] and I'm like, good. I don't.
[10:48] Like, yeah, I don't like him in the book either.
[10:51] I think he's like a long haired kind of beach bum, kind of a
[10:53] scientist guy. Yeah, yeah, he's certainly not
[10:57] the lovable, the lovable Richard Dreyfuss.
[11:00] No, he's great. I actually went to see that
[11:02] play. The shark is broken all right.
[11:04] Yeah, yeah, it's got good reviews.
[11:06] It's it's amazing. It's absolutely brilliant.
[11:08] And Ian Shaw, who is Robert Shaw's son, who wrote the play
[11:12] and obviously plays Quint in it. It's at it's uncanny when he's
[11:16] in Quince outfit and he's delivering the Indianapolis
[11:20] speech. It's you're sort of almost like
[11:21] I'm watching it live, like I'm so it's it's you can't separate
[11:25] him from Robert Shaw. He looks so much like him.
[11:29] So it's about, that's about the making of Jaws, is that right?
[11:31] Yeah, it's about sort of the relationship because famously,
[11:34] obviously, Robert Shaw and Richard Dreyfuss did not get.
[11:38] On here with each other. Yeah, because I, yeah, Robert
[11:41] Shaw liked to drink. And I think, I mean, there's the
[11:44] whole story about how his first try at the Indianapolis speech,
[11:48] he was too drunk. And he was like, I'm not, I'm
[11:51] I'm going to come back and I'm going to do it tomorrow.
[11:52] And when he did it the following day, he was absolutely amazing.
[11:55] But I think his feud with Dreyfus really started because
[11:58] he was climbing onto the orca and he handed Richard Dreyfuss
[12:03] his glass of whiskey while he found his footing on the boat.
[12:06] And Richard Dreyfuss chucked it in the sea and.
[12:09] I think after that. There was no way back.
[12:13] Well, talking about the lead characters, it's got 3
[12:16] incredibly strong lead performances.
[12:18] Alex, which is your favorite character?
[12:20] Who's your favorite? Character great, great question.
[12:22] I think it's Hooper. I just think he's he's great.
[12:26] I think like that scene where he goes round to the brodies and
[12:30] they've finished dinner and he's just like, is anyone eating this
[12:33] and starts eating the dinner? I just I love I just little bits
[12:37] like that. I mean, obviously he only really
[12:41] works as a pairing with Quint. You've got silly hands, Mr.
[12:45] Hooper been carrying money all your life.
[12:49] So yeah. But those two, I think are
[12:51] absolutely fantastic. The character who doesn't get
[12:54] mentioned enough and I think has possibly the most tragic story
[12:59] in the film is poor Pippin the dog.
[13:03] I just that as a dog owner, do either of you have dogs?
[13:07] I don't know. No, OK, so mate, might not,
[13:09] might not resonate with you, but that moment where the owner
[13:12] where the shark, it's just before it's around the kitten
[13:15] boy's death. So it's when Alex kitten has
[13:17] been killed. But also no one's thinking about
[13:19] poor Pippin and that owner just wandering up and down the surf
[13:23] line just sort of going Pippin, Pippin.
[13:26] Heartbreaking. Absolutely destroys me.
[13:29] Yeah, you see the the stick floating on the water, don't
[13:32] you? Yes, yeah.
[13:35] So apparently that if you ever there's that still that floats
[13:38] around the Internet quite often of what the original death of
[13:41] the kit and the boy was going to be like.
[13:43] I think it was it Joe Alves who who shot it after Spielberg had
[13:49] had left already. So they did some stuff and it
[13:52] was just so graphic. He was like, Nope, can't put
[13:54] that in. And when you see the still, it's
[13:57] monstrous. It's a petrified like a white
[14:00] photo. Yeah, yeah.
[14:01] You see the boy actually in the shocks mouth, don't you?
[14:03] I didn't know. Was shot by Joe Alves though.
[14:05] He designed the shark. I was involved in the designing
[14:07] the shark, I think. He's a production designer,
[14:09] isn't he? Yeah, yeah.
[14:11] Didn't he direct your favorite as well, John?
[14:13] Jaws 3D? He did.
[14:15] He did do that one, Yeah. Jaws three DI think is
[14:20] underrated. I have a lot of love for Jaws 3D
[14:23] and I I think it's this is probably going to get a few
[14:27] people irate. I think it's almost, I'm not
[14:29] going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to go the whole hog
[14:31] and bury myself this early in our chat, but I think it's
[14:35] almost as good as Jaws Two, I thought.
[14:37] You're going to say the first. The first one, yeah, yes, that's
[14:43] right. I've come on to talk about my
[14:44] favorite movie, Jaws, and my second favorite movie, Jaws.
[14:51] So what do you think of Jaws The.
[14:52] Revenge, then Alex. I've tried, man.
[14:55] I've tried on numerous occasions.
[14:58] The most fun thing about Jaws, the Revenge are those two weird
[15:02] alternate endings where in one, Jake, Mike's mate, is alive and
[15:09] like sort of wheels up to the helicopter on the plane at the
[15:12] end of the wheelchair, but he's very much alive.
[15:14] And I was watching, I didn't know there was this alternate
[15:16] ending, and I was watching it again and suddenly just doesn't
[15:18] appear. I'm like, what the hell, Where's
[15:20] Jake? And they just decided in one
[15:22] he's dead. Mario Van Peebles characters is
[15:25] dead. Wow, I didn't know that.
[15:27] Yeah, it's just, it's sort of like what of all the problems
[15:30] with Jaws the Revenge? It's not where the Mario Van
[15:33] Peebles lives or dies. But I will say this, I do think
[15:38] the opening of Jaws the Revenge is is brilliant.
[15:42] It's one of those things so for example, like Alien 3, like a
[15:46] sequel that is not only bad but because of what it contains, it
[15:52] ruins your enjoyment of the original.
[15:54] So for Aliens is one of my favorite movies of all time.
[15:56] I think it's better than Aliens. But Alien 3 by killing Newt and
[16:01] Hicks at the start. It's a crime.
[16:03] It it destroys the end of Aliens because it's a feel good ending.
[16:06] It's like Newt's alive, Hicks has survived and then, you know,
[16:09] Alien three bang both dead. So I think Jaw's the revenge.
[16:13] I think it's the best bit in the film, Sean's death.
[16:15] But you're like watching Jaws now and you go and that little
[16:18] kid is going to be killed. Like he's going to get his arm
[16:21] torn off and they're murdered by a shark 20 years from now.
[16:24] Yeah, you're right, that scene is actually really good, but it
[16:27] does it ruins the first film. I think one of my favorite
[16:32] things about Jaws when I read certainly the behind the scenes
[16:35] stories, Alex is like Steven Spielberg was only what, 2627
[16:38] when he directed it Loads and loads and loads of production
[16:41] issues with the film and somehow you managed to turn it around.
[16:45] Is that is it? I I'm guessing it must be your
[16:46] favorite Spielberg film then. It is my favorite spiel of a
[16:50] film. I think he's actually gone on
[16:52] record and said if the shark worked, I'd have probably made
[16:56] half the movie I ended up making because it is that happy
[17:00] accident. The shark didn't work and and so
[17:04] we got those barrels those. Terrifying barrels.
[17:06] Yeah, they're incredible. How scary?
[17:09] Three. You can't stay under with three.
[17:11] Not with three, but yeah. Although we have to give credit
[17:18] where credit's due. I think it was written, maybe it
[17:20] was Richard Zanuck, but Spielberg had a crazy idea for
[17:25] how he wanted to end Jaws. He wanted as as Brody and Hooper
[17:31] are paddling back to shore, he wanted a school of shark fins to
[17:36] appear on the horizon heading towards them.
[17:39] And yeah, Richard Zanuck was the one who went absolutely not not
[17:48] So yeah, Spielberg, if he had his way, would have undone one
[17:51] of the feel good endings in cinema.
[17:53] Yeah, yeah. Well, the ends great.
[17:55] I think Spielberg and Peter Benchley fell out on the set as
[17:58] well over the ending because he changed the ending to how the
[18:01] shark blows up, which doesn't happen in the novel and Benchley
[18:04] wasn't happy about it so they kind of fell out as well.
[18:07] Doesn't the shark just get tired and then die?
[18:10] Yeah, I think it's kind of just sinks, I think, yeah.
[18:12] Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, it's a, it's quite a low
[18:15] key ending in the book. It does just sink.
[18:18] I think you're right. I think the barrels tire it out
[18:21] and it just sinks because I think Benchley was like this.
[18:24] This is nonsense. This doesn't work.
[18:26] You, you, you. A shark would not explode if you
[18:29] fired a rifle at an oxygen tank in its mouth.
[18:32] And Spielberg's answer was, at this point in the movie, I'll
[18:37] have the audience that I could pretty much do anything and
[18:40] they'd still come with me. Which I think is true.
[18:42] Yeah, absolutely. Knows what you do in that
[18:44] Spielberg, doesn't he? He knows a thing or two.
[18:47] He's got a career ahead of him, certainly.
[18:51] What do you think of the actual shark itself, Alex?
[18:53] Because it's quite a popular thing now to bash how the shark
[18:56] looks. It's a it's a, it's a really,
[18:58] it's a really good question. And I think again, because by
[19:02] the time it makes its appearance, so I think we first
[19:05] really got a proper look at it when Brody's there.
[19:08] Why don't you come down here and chump some of this shit?
[19:11] I think at at that point, because it's been this just this
[19:16] thing, this, like we've seen the POV shots when it's killing the
[19:20] kid and the boy, which is this again, just to go back to why I
[19:23] don't go in the sea. If I was on a LILO, all I would
[19:26] be thinking is I that's what I visualize like the POV shot of a
[19:29] shark swimming up beneath me. And then you watch any video of
[19:34] a great white breaching, like snatching a seal and you just
[19:36] like, yeah, I mean, that's Oh my God.
[19:39] Oh my God. Honestly, it's it's doing a
[19:42] number on me. By the time we see it, the the
[19:44] groundwork has been done in this movie and it's it's terrifying.
[19:48] There was going to be another scene that I think they couldn't
[19:51] film because it was too complicated, too expensive, or
[19:53] maybe the shark wasn't working because when the it's the two
[19:58] fishermen who were using the Sunday roast to catch up.
[20:01] There. Was meant to be a row of boats
[20:04] moored out at sea and they they were going to go up one at a
[20:08] time as the sharks swam under it.
[20:10] To give you an idea of the scale of the fish, just how big it
[20:14] was. That moment where the jetty sort
[20:17] of turns in the water to signify, oh, fantastic, that
[20:21] isn't absolutely. Yeah.
[20:23] I mean, this is, this is what we're talking about.
[20:24] It's like by the time the shark appears, I've been terrified by
[20:27] a floating piece of wood. So at that point, I'm.
[20:30] I'm so. Yeah.
[20:33] Well, Speaking of the scenes in the film then, Alex, which one
[20:35] would you say if you had to pick one, is your favorite scene in
[20:38] Jaws? I've got a really weird one for
[20:40] Jaws and I don't know why it's my favorite scene, but it's I
[20:44] think it's because of the emotional journey we've just
[20:48] been on. So it's where the two kids are
[20:51] doing the shark fin fake out. So it's the kids.
[20:54] They think you think the sharks there and it's the kids and
[20:56] they've got a cardboard fin. And then Michael is in the pond
[21:03] and there's that girl who sees the shark swimming into the
[21:07] pond. And it's a combination of the
[21:09] fact that she can't get the words out, which is like shark,
[21:12] shark, shark, shark. It's that and brodies really
[21:17] dismissive on it. Like what now?
[21:18] And then Ellen Brody goes Michael's in the pond and you
[21:22] see Brody start running and getting faster.
[21:25] And it's it's that little sequence, but really it's the
[21:28] actress going shark, Shark. It just gets me every time.
[21:31] I get goosebumps thinking about it.
[21:33] Shark. Shark.
[21:44] Now Michael's in the pond. So you've been in entertainment
[22:00] for over 20 years, Alex. How did you get started?
[22:04] I, I saw I started doing stand up comedy in Leeds.
[22:09] Actually, you you probably remember the pub that I did my
[22:12] first ever gigging back to Leeds chat and you know the the Dry
[22:17] Dock pub. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the old
[22:19] board. The Old Boat.
[22:21] Yeah, yeah, Wow. So I did my first ever stand up
[22:24] gig. Wow.
[22:25] Yeah. Died on my ass.
[22:26] Terrible. And then and then.
[22:30] But I kept on going and I was actually in Edinburgh.
[22:33] I was doing the Edinburgh Festival in 2002 and again, I,
[22:38] you know, I think there's always a little bit of serendipity in,
[22:41] in how careers start, a little bit of luck.
[22:44] And I was on stage and MTV were in the room and they were
[22:48] scouting for some new presenters and they said, oh, you should
[22:51] come down to London and screen test.
[22:53] So I did. And then I got my first job
[22:56] hosting a movie show because they wanted me to do a comedy
[23:00] show. And I was like, there was a
[23:03] movie show up for grabs called screenplay.
[23:05] And I was like, I'd like to do that, please.
[23:07] And so I fought for it and I got to do it.
[23:09] And it was one of the most fun jobs I ever had, just being able
[23:13] to because there even now, I don't think there are many
[23:16] critical review shows on TV. There was film 2000 and
[23:19] whatever. Yeah, you know, back in the day,
[23:22] obviously the. Great.
[23:22] There were very few movie shows when we were younger.
[23:25] Yeah, especially like there were a lot of movie promotional
[23:28] shows, like paid for by the studios that were like, look how
[23:31] cool this movie is, look how amazing it's going to be.
[23:33] But we had I, I had the privilege to be able to go on TV
[23:37] and critique movies like give a review to camera, which was
[23:41] which was lovely. So what was the format of that
[23:44] show, Alex? It was just a review show
[23:45] reviewing new releases. Yeah, review show the new
[23:49] releases that week. And also we did some set visits
[23:52] here and there, at one of which I'll be mentioning in a little
[23:55] moment. Very nice.
[23:59] And then the first time I became aware of you, actually, Alex,
[24:01] was when you were on T4. What was it Pop World used to
[24:05] host? Yeah, yeah.
[24:07] A week morning show, I think from what I remember, because I
[24:09] used to live in London at the time.
[24:10] When you were on it, you hosted it with Alexa Chung.
[24:12] I used. To love it.
[24:13] Yeah. No, that was great fun.
[24:15] Yeah. So I, I sort of, I jumped ship
[24:17] from MTV after about four years at MTV and then and then ended
[24:21] up doing well. I first started doing Balls of
[24:23] Steel on Channel 4, which was a prank show that we did.
[24:29] And then I did Pop World after that and then moved on to Rude
[24:34] Tube. Oh yeah, yeah.
[24:36] And I also know that you were on XFM for a while.
[24:40] Me and Look are both massive fans of the Ricky Gervais
[24:43] Stephen Merchant podcast and Carl Pilkington.
[24:46] Was wondering if you might have a story or two about them.
[24:48] I'm assuming you knew them at the time.
[24:50] Well, they do reference you're in one of the the shows from the
[24:53] XFM. Yeah, I, I've heard about this.
[24:58] So I actually did. They were on at 1:00 on a
[25:01] Saturday and I was on at 10:00. So I did what I lovingly
[25:05] referred to as the Ricky Gervais warm up show.
[25:07] So I did the show before them, then they took over.
[25:10] It was actually Ricky who got me my job at XFM.
[25:14] He OH. Really isn't.
[25:15] Yeah, it was a really nice thing for him to do, he said.
[25:18] They were looking for new DJs and he put me forward and so I
[25:22] went in and you know, I wasn't it wasn't just like, oh, well,
[25:24] Ricky says, so here's your job. I had to do the demo tape and
[25:28] everything, but but yeah, that was great for.
[25:30] So the story is Carl. They asked Carl who what The Who
[25:35] the most attractive man is. And he says me, I'm like,
[25:39] that's. So lucky thing.
[25:45] Yeah, I think he says. Young Alexander.
[25:49] Yeah. The emphasis right now is on the
[25:51] young, the young, the young version of this.
[25:55] Amazing. OK, Alex, So what is the second
[25:58] film on your list? The second film on my list is
[26:03] Event Horizon. Yes.
[26:06] Released in 1997, Event Horizon was written by Phillip Eisner
[26:09] and directed by Paul WS Anderson.
[26:12] In deep space, the crew of the Lewis and Clark rescue ship,
[26:14] with the aid of Doctor Weir, go in search of the Event Horizon,
[26:18] a ship thought to have disappeared seven years ago.
[26:21] When they reached their destination, untold terrors are
[26:23] unleashed amid hallucinations and unknowable forces.
[26:27] It has a talent cast including Larry Fishburne, Sam Neil, Julie
[26:30] Richardson and Kathleen Quinlan. The gate is open.
[26:34] Alex, why have you chosen Event Horizon?
[26:36] So I mentioned at the start that one of the movies I think is
[26:39] criminally underrated and this is that film.
[26:42] I just, I love this movie. I, I, I loved it from the first
[26:46] moment I saw it. I watched it at the cinema.
[26:49] I actually watched, I actually watched it at the cinema.
[26:52] I was in Bangkok in 1997 doing a little bit of travelling and as
[26:57] you do in this vibrant culture filled city where you can go and
[27:02] visit any number of iconic historic landmarks.
[27:06] I went and watched Event Horizon in the cinema and I loved it
[27:11] tell. You what the while?
[27:12] Because I think Alien has ripped this right off, hasn't it?
[27:18] I mean, look, it gets it gets a few accusations leveled at it,
[27:22] like, oh, it's a bit of an alien RIP off.
[27:24] I mean, so for me, I do it. I'll just I'll just ask you why
[27:28] don't I just ask you or either of you 40K players or collectors
[27:32] Warhammer 40 Ki saw the book on. Your shelf there behind you.
[27:35] I used to be when I was younger. Yeah, right.
[27:38] Yeah, but I'm building I. Was never that cool.
[27:40] I'm building an awk army at the moment, so that's why that's it.
[27:45] So yeah, at school, just to just to set the scene, I was the only
[27:49] kid out of 2000 pupils at my comprehensive school.
[27:52] I was the only one who carried A briefcase, so briefcase.
[27:59] In that briefcase, I, I kept a copy of the, the Warhammer 40K
[28:06] rule book, which I just get out sometimes.
[28:09] And I also kept the rules to Warhammer Fantasy Role Play,
[28:12] which is for those who don't know, it's a lot like Dungeons
[28:15] and Dragons, but it's better. So we used to play that at
[28:18] lunchtimes. So, yeah, Phil advised that he
[28:21] was big into 40K, and I love the idea, which I, I don't think
[28:27] it's ever been confirmed, but a lot of 40K fans truly believe it
[28:30] that this movie is basically mankind's first encounter with
[28:34] the warp, warp space, which is obviously a huge part of the 40K
[28:38] universe. So they've kind of adopted this
[28:41] movie as part of the 40K, right? Yeah.
[28:44] Speaking of your bookshelf. There, Alex notes you've also
[28:46] got a both top secret by Timothy Good, one of my favorites.
[28:50] I think you stole my bookshelf. It's.
[28:54] I mean this, this bookshelf really I should check it.
[28:57] I don't even know what's on here.
[28:59] If you hadn't pointed this out, I'd be like what?
[29:01] Yes, so yes, so we've what have we got?
[29:03] This is pretty much my life. I've got the Jaws log, a book
[29:06] about the worldwide UFO cover up and and all army codons before
[29:11] one of four CK Best bookshelf ever.
[29:15] All essential. Reading.
[29:16] Yeah. But if we go back to Event
[29:20] Horizon, just briefly, I think famously, Alex, there was some
[29:22] deleted footage taken out from the film.
[29:25] Have you seen any of that? So isn't this?
[29:28] Isn't this part of the reason this movie, I mean, I'm assuming
[29:31] you guys like it. Do you like it or do you think
[29:33] it's a little bit naff? I like it.
[29:34] Yeah, I like it. Really.
[29:36] I'm sci-fi is not my thing really, but I've really, I think
[29:39] there's something tantalizing and I think it's particularly
[29:42] because of those CCTV images, the footage, it kind of shows
[29:45] you what happens but doesn't, and you just want to see more.
[29:48] But obviously it looks absolutely outrageous as well.
[29:50] You don't want to see more. Yeah.
[29:52] So you're. Talking about the the famous
[29:54] blood orgy scene where Yeah, yeah.
[29:58] So I mean, this movie, I love the mythology that's built up
[30:03] around this movie, about this famous longer cut of the movie,
[30:07] which was so graphic that people were passing out in the cinemas.
[30:10] Paramount got cold feet. I'd cut it down to like, I think
[30:14] it's a pretty sharpish hour, 30, hour 40.
[30:17] But there was initially the first time it was screened, this
[30:20] two hour, 10 minute cut and you saw so much more.
[30:24] You saw images in that hell orgy that were just like really like
[30:29] people having screws screwed into their eyes, someone's legs
[30:33] being bashed off so much that they just come off his body and
[30:36] then the rest of the torso crawls across the floor.
[30:39] And famously all that footage was stored in a Transylvanian
[30:46] salt mine and just it got unbelievable.
[30:49] It got degraded to the point that it it it, it's lost now
[30:53] it's lost. And then this rumour started
[30:55] that there was Avhs copy that the producer Lloyd Levin had.
[30:59] But then since then he said, no, that's that's degraded as well.
[31:02] So it's this idea that we all sort of go, I really, really
[31:07] wish we'd seen the longer cut. And I don't know.
[31:12] I think the joy is that we can't.
[31:14] And I think the excitement and the fascination is because we
[31:18] can't. I don't think if we saw it, it
[31:20] would be as good as the idea of imagining what it could have
[31:23] been like. Yeah, I I feel.
[31:26] The same about Stallone's cobra. Apparently there's a a 30
[31:30] minutes extra that should have been in the film that was cut
[31:32] out, which would explain a lot about the film.
[31:35] So I'm I'm I am I'm holding out for that one to be honest.
[31:39] That's. Amazing.
[31:40] It's Cobra. Is that the one where Stallone
[31:42] is such a tough, busy cop? He eats a pizza, a frozen pizza,
[31:47] without even bothering to cook it, because he's so he's so
[31:50] committed to being a cop, doesn't he?
[31:53] Something. Yes, he does, yeah.
[31:57] Yeah, it's Stallone. But yeah, I mean, I, I think
[32:01] with with Event Horizon, I think the one scene that I think Paul
[32:05] WS Anderson has said he'd like to have put back in that was cut
[32:08] out of the version that we eventually saw, is Sam Neil in
[32:12] devil form. Does the a spider walk backwards
[32:15] down a ladder? For any anyone who's.
[32:19] Obviously seen the the famous spider walk that Reagan does in
[32:22] the Exorcist that William Friedkin famously cut out of
[32:26] that I still think I've I've watched it on YouTube just the
[32:29] other day. I still, I think it's the
[32:30] scariest thing that is not in the theatrical version of the
[32:33] Exorcist is absolutely terrified.
[32:35] So in my head, the Sam Neil spider walk is probably
[32:39] comparable to that. So I built it up and and if I
[32:42] saw it, I'd be like, Nah, that's all right.
[32:44] But the fact that I can't is it just it tickles me great.
[32:48] Castro isn't. There, I mean Sam Neil, everyone
[32:50] like Sam Neil, surely, but Julie Richardson, Laurence Fishburne,
[32:53] Really good. Oh, what a.
[32:55] Cast and the fact that basically they picked Sam Neil.
[32:58] They decided we want Sam Neil because he was like America's
[33:01] sweetheart. He just saved those kids in
[33:04] Jurassic Park. He'd save.
[33:05] He'd save the kids from the dinosaurs.
[33:06] And they're like, we're going to turn him into the devil.
[33:08] And I love that. I love that casting decision.
[33:12] He's amazing. What a.
[33:13] Turn right at the end because, you know, he's not on the level,
[33:16] but you wouldn't expect him to go this far.
[33:18] Yeah, Yeah. I mean.
[33:19] I just it really works for me as a movie from that opening shot
[33:23] of the event horizon in that decaying orbit, just sitting
[33:28] there in space and it's such a beautiful ship.
[33:30] I think it was designed, it was based on the Notre Dame
[33:33] Cathedral is what they're. They try to.
[33:36] Create with the design. Of it, but it just the way it's
[33:38] just sitting there, the sentient ship waiting for people.
[33:42] I it scares the life out of me. And I mean, I think some of the
[33:47] things that they did on set were probably more horrific than the
[33:50] movie. So, you know, the kid who's got
[33:53] the injuries on his legs. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
[33:56] So there was a. Version of that where they had
[34:00] maggots crawling in all his wounds but they they, they
[34:03] wanted a reaction shot from the kid so they put a screen in
[34:09] front of him so he couldn't see his legs.
[34:11] Filled these prosthetic legs with maggots and then to get the
[34:15] shot they was started rolling and then just pulled the screen
[34:18] back to get the kid. So the kid looked at what he
[34:21] thought were his legs full of maggots and apparently his
[34:24] reaction it was just way too much to actually go in the film
[34:27] because he just lost his mind. As you would.
[34:29] As you would, yeah, I mean, I mentioned.
[34:32] Alien before there, Alex, I think the world feels very much
[34:36] like it's taken from that kind of Ridley Scott Alien kind of a
[34:38] thing. And I felt the narrative has
[34:40] influences in The Shining. Maybe.
[34:42] Do you take that from it? It's like a haunted.
[34:44] House in Space, yeah. I mean, it was initially going
[34:47] to be a lot more like Alien because Philip Eisner's original
[34:50] script had tentacled aliens running amok on the ship.
[34:54] And then, well, there you. Go Paul WS.
[34:56] Anderson was like, yeah, I don't, no, we can't do that.
[35:00] And I think it was Andrew Kev. Yeah, Andrew Kevin Walker.
[35:03] So he just done 7. And so according to Lloyd Levin,
[35:09] the producer, he was like, Andrew Kevin Walker was in
[35:11] exactly the right place to do a pass on our script.
[35:14] And it was him who came up with the idea of the ship having
[35:17] passed through to hell. Right?
[35:20] Well. I think that's infinitely better
[35:21] than just straight up ripping off.
[35:26] Every time I bump into Sean Pertwee, I chew his ear off
[35:30] about this film to the point where I think I've started to
[35:33] annoy him. But he always tells me, like he
[35:35] always has one bit of nugget of information that he's not
[35:38] previously told me. The one last time where I
[35:42] trapped him, he couldn't get out because he was sitting in a
[35:44] corner seat and I just sat next to him and I was like so bed
[35:47] horizon, he said it. Was his idea.
[35:51] Because I think one of the great moments in it is the expression
[35:54] on Smitty's face when he opens the thing and discovers the bomb
[35:59] that Weir is planted. Yeah.
[36:00] Yeah. That moment, it was going to be
[36:03] 10. So he opened it that and it just
[36:06] exploded like. And he said to Paul Anderson he
[36:09] was like, do it from like four or five because then you'll get
[36:12] my reaction shot. And that was his idea.
[36:14] And it's that face, that reaction shot, that like
[36:17] realization that makes that moment.
[36:19] Yeah. But it's a great.
[36:20] Moment because like 5 seconds of knowing I'm dead.
[36:23] What? Can you push it?
[36:24] Yeah. I like as well how the film.
[36:26] Occasionally I think unintentionally kind of lapses
[36:29] into comedy a little bit like the bit where Cooper is like
[36:33] space dive is a Cooper space diving from one ship to the
[36:36] other. And he's like, whoa, I can't.
[36:38] Stop myself. Oh man, I can't believe you.
[36:43] You've don't. I mean, John, John, you've done
[36:46] it. You've what you've done there is
[36:48] is pick up on what? The one thing, if I could change
[36:50] anything about this movie, it's that ridiculous moment because
[36:54] he's like literally in outer space at one point, and then he
[36:57] goes, let's go wisecracken. Yes.
[37:01] Yeah, I hate, I hate that bit. Yeah, that's.
[37:05] That's such a. Strange turn in the dialogue and
[37:08] the tone as well, isn't it? Because it's been serious as
[37:10] hell. And then all of it.
[37:11] He's given quips outside weightlessness.
[37:15] I couldn't believe. Yeah, yeah.
[37:17] All right, let's not talk. About that, let's talk about all
[37:19] the other OK, draw a line. Under that one, and it's got
[37:25] similarities to Jaws, and that's a very, it's a very tense horror
[37:29] movie experience, this film. And there's certainly a theme to
[37:32] the films that you've chosen to talk about.
[37:34] Alex, is horror your favorite movie genre?
[37:38] It is at this. Time of year I Halloween is the
[37:42] greatest night of the year in my opinion.
[37:44] And so I spend October just immersed in horror.
[37:47] And yeah, you, you just happenstance has put me on your
[37:51] show at a moment where the only thing I'm thinking about is
[37:55] horror and an event horizon is one of I mean, is it Alien?
[38:00] No. Is it good?
[38:02] Definitely. I mean, that moment with the
[38:03] cassette at the start, I remember seeing that for the
[38:06] first time where it's like Liberate May.
[38:09] Oh yeah, that's good. Yeah.
[38:11] It's so good in the DJ Jason Isaac's character, he's like, I
[38:15] made a mistake. It's it's not savers.
[38:18] It's Liberate Tutami Save yourselves.
[38:21] And there's more Liberate Tutami X in Furnace.
[38:25] Save yourselves from hell. It's brilliant.
[38:29] And you're telling us this now when we're.
[38:32] Here, yeah, and that airlock scene, that airlock scene, Oh my
[38:38] God. With baby bear and Mama bear.
[38:41] It's just yeah, that's that's yeah, yeah.
[38:44] Good dialogue, that. I really like that.
[38:46] Yeah. So what?
[38:47] Would you say is your favorite scene in the film, Alex?
[38:49] That's why I stopped myself. Because I knew you were going to
[38:51] ask me that question and I, I didn't want to start repeating
[38:54] myself. But it, I think as an exercise
[38:58] intention, as an exercise in horror, as an exercise in just
[39:04] really nasty. That airlock scene is brilliant
[39:07] because it's the moment where the alarm snaps Justin out of
[39:11] whatever trance he's been in. And at that point, he's like,
[39:15] Mama Bear, open the door, open the door.
[39:18] And she can't. And you know that he's going to
[39:21] be thrown out into space and he knows that, and no one can help
[39:25] him and he's got to sit there as the timer ticks down.
[39:28] It's wonderful. Start going to fucking open it.
[39:32] Open the door. I can't the other.
[39:34] Door won't open when the outside door has been triggered.
[39:36] It would decompress the entire ship.
[39:38] Oh my God, Mama. Bear, open the door.
[39:41] Come on. Please.
[39:44] Captain Patch me threw it on Captain Miller.
[39:47] Tell them to open the door. They can't do that.
[39:49] Justin, I don't want to die in here.
[39:52] You're not going to die. I want you to listen to me very
[39:54] carefully, and I'm going to get you out of there.
[40:01] Oh, my God. It's starting OK.
[40:04] So you talked about DJ and Alex, you TV presenter.
[40:08] How different was it working in the two mediums?
[40:10] What are the the main differences?
[40:12] Would you say, Oh, that's a, that's a good.
[40:14] Question I prefer radio because there's an authenticity to it.
[40:18] I mean, sorry, live TV, I, I, I loved it's, it's great.
[40:22] There's not that much live TV on, but I think when you're pre
[40:25] recording shows, because I, I came from a live TV background
[40:28] because I was doing TRL total request live on MTV and I really
[40:34] love that. And then I started doing
[40:36] prerecorded TV and it's quite rigid.
[40:38] There's a really set format as you'd imagine with TV, whereas
[40:41] radio is just like there's an authenticity to it.
[40:44] You could, it feels organic. It's live as well, which is
[40:48] always exciting. So yeah, I much preferred live
[40:51] TV and radio to regular pre recorded TV, which again, you
[40:56] know, I sort of like to do things spontaneously for better
[40:59] and worse sometimes. And and when you when you're pre
[41:04] recording or a producer will just go, yeah, you're absolutely
[41:07] not doing that. Do it again without that bit in.
[41:09] And I don't like, I don't like being told what to do.
[41:12] And you're the. Face of Sky Cinema and and
[41:14] you've presented Sky's coverage of the Oscars.
[41:17] Where did your love of movies come from?
[41:19] So I mean. You know, not to bring it back
[41:21] to the greatest movie ever made, but Jaws really was my way.
[41:26] It was the first time I I sort of found the effect a movie
[41:30] could have on me. It was, well, it was a
[41:33] combination of Jaws and spending my childhood wanting to be Burt
[41:38] Reynolds in Smokey and the Bandit.
[41:40] And genuinely, I kind of still do.
[41:44] That's my dream is to really own a black 1977 Pontiac Firebird
[41:50] Trans Am and have ACB radio and be able to say things like
[41:55] Breaker 19, Breaker 19, this is the Bandit and not sound like a
[41:58] total dickhead, which is very difficult, I think, Alex.
[42:02] Was to retain when you sported a moustache.
[42:07] I I I've attempted to grow. I'm sure I've seen you with one
[42:11] before. Yeah, yeah, I can't do it.
[42:14] I just, I'm really, I really. I've tried.
[42:17] And if I could, I would, but I can't.
[42:22] Speaking of Sky. Cinema, obviously you interview
[42:25] a lot of people on the red carpet, etcetera, that kind of
[42:27] thing. Who is your favorite movie
[42:29] industry person that you've interviewed?
[42:31] So I'm a. Big big fan of Tom Cruise and
[42:35] lovely. Who isn't?
[42:37] I've interviewed him. So many Times Now and I, well,
[42:42] the weird story is when I was a student in London, the first
[42:45] premier I ever went to, so I didn't know they had premiers in
[42:48] Leicester Square. I'd been in London about a year
[42:51] and I sort of saw this crowd and I kind of pushed my way to the
[42:54] front. I was like, what's going on
[42:55] here? Got to the railing.
[42:56] And as I got to the railing, it was just as Tom Cruise was
[42:59] walking past promoting Vanilla Sky.
[43:02] And he shook my hand and I was like, Oh my God.
[43:07] And then after that. So now cut to now.
[43:10] And obviously I was just hosting the Dead Reckoning Part 1
[43:13] premiere in in Leicester Square. And wonderful.
[43:16] It's it's I just find him such a fascinating person to talk to a
[43:22] because he's a massive movie geek and also because, I mean,
[43:28] arguably he is the last true movie star that we still have
[43:32] working today. Like actual bona fide movie
[43:36] star. So yeah, that and he he sends me
[43:39] a cake every Christmas. So I kind of have to say, does
[43:41] he? Wow, brilliant.
[43:42] Does he really so? So he is a real person then?
[43:45] He is. A real person, yeah.
[43:48] So because he's ageless. Isn't he amazing?
[43:51] He looks great. He still looks 20.
[43:52] Five. Yeah, he.
[43:55] Looks like he's 25. He does stunts like he's 25.
[43:58] Yeah, yeah. And yeah.
[43:59] So he's got this famous cake list.
[44:01] I only mention it because it makes me sound awesome, but also
[44:06] like a bit of an idiot for bringing it up.
[44:09] But yeah, he's got this cake list.
[44:10] So if you want, you sort of, if you've worked with him, you get
[44:13] a cake every Christmas. And it's.
[44:14] It's a delicious white chocolate and coconut cake.
[44:19] I bet it is 0. Wonderful.
[44:21] If there's any room on that list, see if you can get all the
[44:23] right movies on it. I'll bring it up next.
[44:26] Time I see him put in a word. Obviously, everyone knows Tom.
[44:30] Cruise that the movie star like you say Alex, but what do you
[44:32] like face to face? What do you like as a person?
[44:35] Great. He's he's.
[44:36] Great. I mean again, so the show that I
[44:38] do with that I've done with him a couple of times.
[44:41] It's called real life REEL Life. And and we sit down in a cinema
[44:47] with an actor or a film maker and we play on the big screen
[44:52] the most iconic scenes from their career.
[44:55] And we talk about the memories that they had making it.
[44:58] And you know what it was like on the day, what it was like to
[45:01] shoot, what the all that kind of stuff.
[45:03] And I remember the first time we did it with Tom Cruise, it was
[45:07] we, we weren't sure if the format was going to work.
[45:09] And we sort of sat down and just to watch him mouthing along to
[45:15] his lines from Risky Business 30 years ago.
[45:20] And you're like, it's, it's, it's just quite an emotional
[45:23] moment to see an actor still remember their lines and be
[45:26] mouthing along with them and just sort of getting the
[45:28] reaction of them watching their body of work.
[45:31] It's it's a lot of fun. Yeah, amazing.
[45:34] OK, well, what a way to take us into the third film.
[45:38] What is your third pick, Alex? Thank you.
[45:41] My. 3rd pick is going to be 2004's Dawn of the Dead.
[45:48] Yes, indeed. Yeah, written by James Gunn and
[45:51] directed by Zack Snyder, A remake of Giorgio Romero's 70s
[45:55] classic. A group of mismatched strangers
[45:57] hole up in a local shopping mall for Sanctuary amid a horde of
[46:00] rage and zombies being for blood outside.
[46:03] Sarah, Pauli and Vin Grenades are the big players in a great
[46:05] ensemble cast. Hell is overflowing and Satan is
[46:09] sending his dead back to us. Alex, why have you chosen Dawn
[46:12] of the Dead? I think I've timed this.
[46:14] Quite badly, haven't I? Because I've I've just come off
[46:17] the back of saying I'm on Tom Cruise's cake list, which sounds
[46:20] like a massive show off thing to do.
[46:22] And now I'm about to tell you, I picked this because I'm in it.
[46:25] So. So I've really, I've really
[46:28] started to sound like a bit of a prat on this episode.
[46:34] Yeah, I'm in it. That's why I'm thinking, yeah, I
[46:39] didn't. Actually know you were in it
[46:40] until Luke told me. And obviously you wouldn't
[46:42] recognise you because you're all made-up in Zombie.
[46:45] Yeah. So how did you come to be
[46:46] involved in the film? So yeah, for those.
[46:48] Who are like must see him in it now he I am third zombie from
[46:54] the front when I chased them into the elevator at the
[46:57] shopping mall when Ving Rhames and Sarah Polly and everyone.
[47:00] So this was I'd love to say I was just sitting at home phone
[47:05] rings Zack Snyder, he goes listen, I'm making a remake of
[47:09] Dawn of the dead and I just think you'd be great as third
[47:11] zombie from the front wouldn't do it.
[47:15] But it was this quite a it was a quite a fun thing when I was at
[47:19] MTV and we were making that movie show, I mentioned
[47:21] screenplay. Sometimes what would happen is
[47:23] you'd go to do a set visit and what certain film studios did
[47:28] was like, oh, we'll put you in the movie in a small role and
[47:31] it'd be great content for your show and you'll talk about the
[47:34] movie and that'll be that. So I was in Toronto reporting on
[47:38] it and they were like, do you want to be a zombie in it?
[47:40] And I was like, yes, I would absolutely love to be a zombie
[47:44] in it. So I was a zombie in Dawn of the
[47:46] Dead, I was a zombie in George Romero's Land of the Dead, and I
[47:49] played ATV presenter in Juice Bigelow.
[47:51] European Gigolo. Yes, for real.
[47:56] How long were you in the makeup chair?
[47:57] Classic for juice Bigelow European gigolo hours.
[48:03] So it must have been a good three hours to to get the zombie
[48:07] makeup. Really.
[48:07] Wow. Yeah, that's.
[48:09] Incredible. Is it because on our podcast,
[48:12] when we talk about the making of stories, we talk about like how
[48:15] long makeup takes. Is it that agonizing to have
[48:18] that much makeup on and to be just sat in a chair for three
[48:20] hours just while they apply layers and layers of makeup?
[48:24] I quite. Enjoyed it because it was a one
[48:26] off. So I was watching this
[48:28] transformation take place as I sat in the chair and I didn't
[48:31] know what I was going to look like.
[48:32] I imagine if I'd had to go and do it the following day and the
[48:35] surprise of what I'd eventually looked like was gone, and then
[48:38] it would be quite boring. But at that moment, finding out
[48:41] that I was going to be in a movie and they were really cool.
[48:43] The producers, they played me some of the footage they'd
[48:46] already shot. So the bit where all the zombies
[48:49] are attacking the bus at the end, it was, no, it was good.
[48:51] It was good. But yeah, I'd, I'd when you hear
[48:53] some actors like I think was it Ron Perlman for Hellboy, it's
[48:57] like 8 hours and you're like 8 hours.
[49:00] Oh my God. Every day as well.
[49:03] For Ron Perlman in that, Yeah, Yeah.
[49:06] So obviously it's a remake, Alex, of the original by Romero.
[49:09] Do you prefer this one or the original?
[49:12] Oh. Gosh, there's a loaded question,
[49:14] isn't there? So this is one thing.
[49:16] This is taking aside the fact that you're in.
[49:18] This one. Which one do you prefer?
[49:21] I absolutely. Love the original but in terms
[49:25] of what this is sacrilegious. I like fast zombies.
[49:29] I always have since since this movie.
[49:32] I think this was, I mean 28 Days later was before this, but I
[49:35] think Danny Boyle famously said they're not zombies because
[49:38] they're not dead. They're infected with a rage
[49:40] virus, but they are the. One, they are but but.
[49:46] This the fast zombies in this and also that title sequence to
[49:51] Johnny Cash when the man comes around is brilliant.
[49:54] One of the. If not the.
[49:56] Greatest title sequence in cinema history?
[49:58] Well, that was actually one of our.
[49:59] Questions Alex that do you prefer Romero's classic slow
[50:02] walking zombie or the fast moving ones?
[50:04] I agree, I think they're much scarier when the faster I do.
[50:07] So the thing about slow. Zombies, I think I understand.
[50:10] It's the idea that if there's just one of them, you're all
[50:13] right, you can pretty much escape.
[50:15] But it's the idea that on mass, this thing that individually is
[50:19] almost a bit of a joke because it's shuffling along, but there
[50:23] comes a point where it's just too many of them.
[50:25] And ultimately you are then going to be killed by something
[50:28] that really you should have been able to escape.
[50:30] It's just the number. I love that about zombies, but
[50:35] no like honest, like that bit where they break.
[50:37] I say they that bit where we break into the mall is, is it's
[50:44] just, it's terrifying the speed, the speed and ferocity of them
[50:48] as well. Yeah, yeah.
[50:49] I think well, with being Zack Snyder, as well as having
[50:53] obviously horror influences, I think there's quite a lot of
[50:55] action influence in there as well.
[50:57] Oh yeah, big time. The part.
[50:58] Towards the end. We've mentioned this film
[51:00] already, but the part towards the end where they're under the
[51:02] sewers, that reminded me massively of the air duct
[51:06] sequence and aliens at the end of that where they're running
[51:08] through the tunnels, yes. Yes, that's true.
[51:11] I don't think I like that bit very much though, because it's a
[51:13] bit, it's a bit like that's been there all the time and you
[51:17] haven't used it till now, yeah. I think it's.
[51:20] Better than the original. Yeah, I'm going to.
[51:22] Sorry. I'm just so I'm still humming
[51:24] and erring about whether this was the right thing to say.
[51:26] But yes, I'm going. I'm going to put my neck on the
[51:28] line and say I prefer the 2004 version.
[51:32] Yeah, well. I mean, I think like Zack
[51:34] Snyder, he he kind of gets a bit of a bad rap, but I think this
[51:38] and this was his debut feature as well.
[51:41] It's a hell of a start. And to take the Mona Lisa and
[51:44] redo it. And he's done an amazing job
[51:46] with this film. Yeah, I know.
[51:48] James Gunn's probably one of my favourite writers working today,
[51:51] and I love just that opening. It's a little James Gunnism at
[51:55] the start where he's on the phone, the doctor's on the
[51:57] phone, and you can't hear the, you can't hear the other side of
[52:01] the conversation. He's like, well, I like Gary and
[52:03] you're like, so James Gunn. Yeah, that whole.
[52:08] Opening sequence I thought was great.
[52:09] It's magnificent. Yeah.
[52:11] Unbelievable. Well, I think like a lot of.
[52:13] Zack Snyder films, There's some great visuals.
[52:15] There's a shot where Sarah Polly's driving the car and the
[52:18] camera's sort of tracking the car that like it looks like a
[52:21] video game. Fantastic.
[52:22] Yeah, it does. Isn't it amazing?
[52:24] Yeah, absolutely. That whole opening sequence from
[52:26] the minute, I mean, just the way Vivian gets onto her feet where
[52:30] she's sort of like in one fluid moment, she goes from lying down
[52:34] to like onto her feet. The little girl.
[52:38] I just. Oh, yeah, it's great.
[52:40] I think there's a it's. A cameo from Tom Zavini I saw in
[52:42] there as well, from the original Daughter of the Dead.
[52:45] Yeah, he plays a. Colour, doesn't he?
[52:47] Yeah, that's right. Yeah, he's given the.
[52:49] Instructions. Shoot him in the head, burn the
[52:51] body. But Ken forward, he's in there.
[52:53] Is the evangelist on TV as well? He's in the original.
[52:56] That's right. Yeah.
[52:57] Yeah, yeah. See, it's respectful.
[52:58] And I, I remember, I remember reading George Romero.
[53:01] I mean, he, he didn't love it like all of it, but he said it
[53:05] was good. He he certainly said it was a
[53:07] good film at one point that would be.
[53:09] Good enough for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[53:12] Bit of a sidestep Alex, but what do you think of Shaun of the
[53:14] Dead? I was thinking of that, yeah.
[53:18] Is that that's the. That's the movie.
[53:20] Where isn't there a line at the end of Shaun of the Day where he
[53:23] goes Reports of it being a rage virus have been proved
[53:27] incorrect. Like taking a little hopper 28
[53:31] days later. So this is the sad part about
[53:34] being in Dawn of the Dead. I was in Dawn of the Dead, being
[53:36] a zombie in Dawn of the Dead when I was asked to be a zombie
[53:40] in Shaun of the Dead. So they were doing that.
[53:44] They were shooting on the day that I was in Toronto being in
[53:46] Dawn of the Dead. So I don't know if you would I
[53:50] prefer to have been a zombie in Shaun of the Dead?
[53:52] Possibly. But yeah, I missed out on that
[53:55] opportunity. But I love Shaun of the Dead.
[53:57] I think it's it's incredible, just such an amazing film.
[54:01] So what is your? I mean, I think we know, but
[54:03] what is your favorite scene from Dawn of the Dead?
[54:09] There's a great bit where third zombie from the front.
[54:15] No, actually that on the day that when I was shooting my bit,
[54:19] I was like, I'm going to give my zombie a bit of a limp.
[54:22] So I was running, but I was sort of dragging my my legs slightly.
[54:25] And Zack Snyder was like, hey, come over here, man.
[54:28] I'm like, oh, I'm going to get a special compliment from the
[54:31] director who's like who likes my weird zombie limp.
[54:33] And he's like, yeah, what you doing?
[54:35] I'm like, yeah, I've given him a limp.
[54:36] He's like, yeah, don't to do that again.
[54:37] I was like, right, got you. So.
[54:42] So my favorite scene is from the minute Vivian, like, jumps to
[54:46] her feet and attacks Anna's husband, partner and then her
[54:51] escaping into the street, him chasing her, The drive down the
[54:54] bit where the truck goes into the petrol station, right up
[54:57] until the end of Johnny Cash and the title sequence.
[55:01] That whole segment is just perfect cinema.
[55:24] Are these people alive or dead? We don't know.
[55:30] Is that true? There's a man going round taking
[55:35] names and you've got your finger in.
[55:38] Various pies. Alex, you've also got your own
[55:40] movie podcast. Can you tell us a bit about
[55:42] that? Oh yes, so.
[55:44] I do a show, a podcast called A Trip to the Movies, which we
[55:47] started shortly after lockdown ended because people weren't
[55:52] returning to the cinemas, as I'm sure you guys are aware.
[55:55] I mean, people's viewing habits just changed when studios
[55:59] started putting movies straight onto streaming platforms.
[56:03] And even now the window between watching a movie at the cinema
[56:06] and it arriving on home video is a lot shorter.
[56:10] And so we just basically wanted to remind people, me and my
[56:13] producer Grant, the cinema is still the best place to watch
[56:18] films. And so each week a guest comes
[56:20] on and takes us on their perfect night out on the cinema.
[56:23] It's a kind of immersive journey.
[56:25] We start in the foyer who living or dead, they take with them
[56:28] what snacks they buy. And then we go into the
[56:30] auditorium. And yeah, one of the questions
[56:33] we ask is it's it's the one that sort of gets gets quite a lot of
[56:37] reactions and gets people talking is what is your
[56:41] unpopular movie opinion? So often people pick a movie
[56:47] that they love. That is why they're regarded as
[56:49] rubbish or vice versa, a movie they hate that everyone loves.
[56:53] So what is your unpopular movie opinion?
[56:58] Oh, lovely. Rolls reversed.
[56:59] John, do you want to take it first?
[57:01] Yeah, well, I've got 1. Which kind of rolls perfectly on
[57:03] the back of the last film we talked about, because one of
[57:06] mine is that I think Zack Snyder is a director that divides
[57:10] opinion quite heavily. And I think he gets a really bad
[57:13] rap. And I would say I'm actually
[57:16] quite a fan of his. I think his visuals are
[57:19] absolutely. And Dawn of the Dead's a good
[57:21] example of it. His visuals are incredible, not
[57:23] just in Dawn of the Dead, I think in superhero stuff.
[57:26] I think Watchmen is a is as good an adaptation of a masterpiece
[57:31] graphic novel that I think you're ever going to get.
[57:33] And I think it's largely in the visuals.
[57:34] I think his DC stuff isn't fantastic, but it's not because
[57:39] of the visuals. I think maybe he's a wasted
[57:41] cinematographer because I think his visuals are as good as
[57:44] anything that's out there for me.
[57:45] And I think he gets a really bad rap by people that say he's red
[57:48] when DC and he's done this and he's done that.
[57:50] So I would never say that on Twitter, obviously.
[57:54] But yeah, yeah, I mean, wars are being fought as we speak about
[57:59] that on Twitter right now. That is really hashtag released
[58:03] a Snyder. I guess you're a bit of a fan of
[58:08] him then, Alex, is that right? Yeah.
[58:10] I am. I am.
[58:12] I'm really interested to see Rebel Moon and yeah, I am as
[58:15] well. I'm surprised they're allowed to
[58:17] call it Rebel Moon. It's like this used to be a Star
[58:19] Wars script. But yeah, I, I really do.
[58:25] I think Watchmen, again, I'm a huge fan of Watchmen.
[58:28] I think it's a wonderful adaptation.
[58:30] I mean, it's such a poison chalice, adapting Alan Moore
[58:34] novel. Because even if you do the best
[58:36] job, and I think Watchmen is a fantastic adaptation, Alan Moore
[58:40] is still going to go rubbish. Yeah, yeah.
[58:45] Tear my name off it. Yeah, exactly.
[58:49] Well. My unpopular movie opinion, I
[58:52] suppose you were very positive, John and and I and I wish I
[58:55] could be so, but I'm not going to be.
[58:57] And, and I'll admit that I know I'm wrong, but this is just what
[59:02] I know and that hands are up. But, you know, and I'll also
[59:06] admit that, oh God, I couldn't. See what this is?
[59:10] A big leader. Is a big leader.
[59:14] I'm also. Aware that Stanley Kubrick is
[59:17] one of the greatest directors ever widely regarded, his films
[59:21] are a masterpieces. They transcend the medium.
[59:24] They become pieces of art. I love The Shining.
[59:27] I love Full Metal Jacket. I'm a big fan of Ice Wide Shirt.
[59:30] I can't stand 2001. I can't abide it.
[59:36] I, I, I, it. It takes you through two hours
[59:39] of nothingness and then the last half an hour is just lights.
[59:46] So yes, that's that's me and. I know and I know that that
[59:49] people are just going to say, well, you're obviously an idiot
[59:52] and you don't understand it. Hands are up that.
[59:55] That is a That's a brilliant unpopular movie opinion,
[59:59] especially for the line. The last 20 minutes are just
[1:00:02] lights. That's that's what does it all.
[1:00:06] Mean though, Alex, tell me that. Do you know what?
[1:00:09] I I I don't don't know, but I'm pretty sure someone does someone
[1:00:15] and someone is right now going. I was like literally struggling
[1:00:18] to find words to describe their fury at you describing the end
[1:00:23] of 2001. It's just lights.
[1:00:25] But yeah, that's it. That's a really that's a really
[1:00:28] good one. Yeah, it's it's a fun question.
[1:00:30] Dexter Fletcher where he was on the he was on the show.
[1:00:33] He his was quite good considering Dexter Fletcher, you
[1:00:37] know, obviously the directs great Movies.
[1:00:39] Now Rocket Man brilliant. Yeah, yeah, but he started out
[1:00:42] as a child actor press guy, wasn't it?
[1:00:44] Yeah, it was. It was press.
[1:00:45] Guy, but even before that he's babyface and bugs him alone and
[1:00:49] pass this to babyface, right? Yeah, babyface.
[1:00:51] I think he's in the long Good Friday.
[1:00:53] As well. He's in the scene.
[1:00:53] Yes, exactly. Yeah, so of all the unpopular
[1:00:57] opinions you might imagine Dexter Fletcher would have, he's
[1:00:59] like he doesn't. He finds child actors ruin
[1:01:01] movies. He used the example he said
[1:01:07] Terminated 2 would be better without John Connor.
[1:01:09] I agree with that. Agreed.
[1:01:12] Aliens will be better. Without Newt.
[1:01:15] Oh, I'm not sure about that one, but John Connor definitely go
[1:01:18] along with Really you think? You think you think get rid of
[1:01:21] John Connor from T2, not the. Character acts of performance.
[1:01:24] He's so annoying. What else?
[1:01:30] Blake Harrison from The Inbetweeners.
[1:01:31] He said he, he, he said his popular opinion is that you
[1:01:35] should not play horror movie trailers in front of any other
[1:01:39] genre of film. If he goes to the cinema, and
[1:01:42] it's he's not because he hates horror.
[1:01:44] He does obviously hear horror, yeah.
[1:01:45] He does not want to see a horror trailer.
[1:01:48] Neil Marshall, the director of The Descent, he said Skyfall is
[1:01:53] Daniel Craig's worst Bond movie. Wow.
[1:01:57] Wow. I mean.
[1:02:00] I mean, I, I would like to think that Neil will come on the show
[1:02:03] at one point and talk about some of his films, but I think he's
[1:02:06] dead wrong there, Yeah. He's got, I mean, when you hear
[1:02:09] him say it, though I won't spoil it in case someone does want to
[1:02:12] convince, does want to listen to it.
[1:02:13] He makes a good case for why it might be Daniel Gray's worst
[1:02:16] movie. Yeah, right.
[1:02:17] I'll check that. One out what's yours?
[1:02:19] And Alex, what would your unpopular opinion be?
[1:02:22] I. I.
[1:02:23] I have not got an answer for that.
[1:02:25] I'm working on one, but I think, well, do I do I, do I say it
[1:02:31] here. I, I, so I'm, I'm, I'm wait, I'm
[1:02:34] going to, I'm going to, I'm going to borrow what both of you
[1:02:37] have done, which is prefix this answer with like a lot of
[1:02:41] explanation, but I'm not going to put myself in a hole.
[1:02:46] This might be because I think I've finally overwatched Part 2,
[1:02:52] but I'm starting to find myself of the opinion that The Dark
[1:02:56] Knight Rises is better than The Dark Knight.
[1:03:01] Yeah. Yeah, Now, again, prefixing that
[1:03:04] with the idea that I've just watched The Dark Knight so many
[1:03:09] Times Now because because I, I, I love it.
[1:03:14] And I think maybe I've just done that thing where I've killed a
[1:03:17] movie by watching it too much. Every time I watch The Dark
[1:03:21] Knight Rises, I'm like, well, this is great because it's got
[1:03:23] closure. We've got the end of the story.
[1:03:25] This is like, it feels like everything's, you know, we've
[1:03:29] been on this, you know, 3 movie journey and this is this is the
[1:03:32] closure. And I like Return of the Jedi
[1:03:34] more than I like Empire Strikes Back.
[1:03:36] So it's a similar thing. It is.
[1:03:39] Right, well, right. Well, when you said Part 2.
[1:03:42] I was, I was fearful you were going to see a Friday the 13th.
[1:03:45] So I breathe a sigh of relief when it was The Dark Knight.
[1:03:49] Yeah, or or Godfather. Part 3 is better than Godfather
[1:03:52] Part 2, so you clearly got a. Love of movies and music, Alex.
[1:03:58] I mean, you've built a career on that.
[1:04:00] What's your favorite like soundtrack or movie score?
[1:04:03] That's a really good. Question, because that's one of
[1:04:06] the questions that I ask on my show as well on a trip to well,
[1:04:11] the question on a trip to the movies is what is the best use
[1:04:16] of music? I heard that one.
[1:04:18] Movie, Yeah. Yeah.
[1:04:19] That's a great question. Yeah.
[1:04:21] And. For me it's either the use of
[1:04:24] air on AG string by Bach in the library scene in Seven when
[1:04:32] Morgan. Freeman.
[1:04:33] 'S researching Dante's Inferno and everything and it's like,
[1:04:36] you know, the security guards are like, you want culture,
[1:04:39] how's this for culture? And they play that song and I'm
[1:04:41] just like just gets me every time.
[1:04:43] And weirdly, my other one is another Fincher movie and it's
[1:04:47] when the Pixies, where is my mind comes on at the end of
[1:04:51] Fight Club. Great, that's yours.
[1:04:53] Let's do this. Let's do this because this is
[1:04:54] this is this is what I that's what I ask on the pod.
[1:04:57] You've got this one right? On us, yeah, I've.
[1:04:59] Got I? I know mine.
[1:05:01] I know mine. Straight away Danny Elfman score
[1:05:03] for Midnight Run. I can't get enough of it though.
[1:05:08] That's the horns and the bluesy breaks.
[1:05:11] I just can't get enough of that soundtrack.
[1:05:13] I love it in terms of. A use of music as a moment in
[1:05:16] the film. The first one that popped into
[1:05:18] me head when you asked that question was Marty McFly on his
[1:05:22] skateboard to the Power of Love by Huey Lewis in the news.
[1:05:26] Beautiful. Absolutely masterful bit of
[1:05:30] music used in a film there. That was.
[1:05:32] Oh God, yeah, yeah. Once when I was a kid.
[1:05:35] Back to the Future was on on the BBC's this Christmas Day, Back
[1:05:40] to the Future was on on the BBC and Empire Strikes Back was on
[1:05:45] on ITV. And not that my this makes it
[1:05:49] sounds because this is the 80s one of the one of these TV's was
[1:05:53] really small. But my grand did have two TV's a
[1:05:55] small one in one room and and a bigger one in the other room.
[1:05:59] And I attempted to run between rooms so I could watch both
[1:06:03] movies because this was before, this was before video record
[1:06:06] this. We didn't have a video, we
[1:06:07] couldn't record, record anything, didn't go to a video
[1:06:09] shop. And so it was like I was like, I
[1:06:11] can't pick between these movies, I have to watch both.
[1:06:14] So I was just running back and forth trying to watch 2 movies
[1:06:17] at once. You're having to choose between
[1:06:20] those. It's impossible, right?
[1:06:24] So to finish it off then. Alex, what do you have coming up
[1:06:27] in the pipeline for the future? Any plans at the moment?
[1:06:31] Just more making more a trip to the movies, which if you're a
[1:06:35] film fan, I would encourage anyone to give it a listen.
[1:06:38] Thank you for allowing me to promote it on on your show.
[1:06:41] It's, it's, it's just, it's a pleasure, you know, I mean, I
[1:06:44] should, I should ask you guys. Do you agree that the cinema is
[1:06:47] still the best place to watch your film?
[1:06:49] Of course. Yeah, I was feeling the same as
[1:06:51] you. Well, because I thought it was
[1:06:52] kind of dying a death. I went a couple of months ago,
[1:06:55] would have been now. Went to see Oppenheimer opening
[1:06:57] weekend, came out the same weekend as Bobby and the cinema
[1:07:00] was just buzzing, absolutely rammed and it was fantastic to
[1:07:03] say first thing. I've seen that for years.
[1:07:05] I was exactly. The same I, I, you know, through
[1:07:07] the nature of the work, I end up having to attend a lot of press
[1:07:10] screenings. So, you know, which is not as
[1:07:14] much fun as that opening weekend.
[1:07:16] I, I went to see Barbie and I've just, I like you.
[1:07:19] I can't remember the last time I've been in a cinema where
[1:07:22] every seat was taken and that communal experience of everyone
[1:07:27] just like on the same journey together.
[1:07:29] It just it, it changed the way I watched the film and enjoyed the
[1:07:34] film. It was perfect.
[1:07:36] I went. I went to see The Exorcist,
[1:07:38] obviously the the original, it was just a limited release, but
[1:07:42] the theatre was packed. Every single seat was taken.
[1:07:45] And, and I know it was just because it was 1 screen and you
[1:07:47] know, they're in limited supply, but it was just heartwarming to
[1:07:50] see this film that that shocked the world in 1973 and people are
[1:07:55] still cramming the court to see it 50 years on.
[1:07:58] Incredible. Really, really happy with that.
[1:08:00] Yeah, yeah. And I really.
[1:08:01] Hope that this Barb and Heimer thing, you know, the success of
[1:08:05] those movies is going to create, you know, I mean, I certainly
[1:08:09] think there are, there were people who were in those
[1:08:12] screening rooms, screening rooms, cinemas who who certainly
[1:08:16] will have got a, a, a hunger to experience that again.
[1:08:20] And I really hope it's a turning point and more people are going
[1:08:23] to be going back to the cinema to watch movies.
[1:08:25] Absolutely fantastic. Amen.
[1:08:28] OK, great. Well, Alex, it's been great to
[1:08:30] talk to you. We've had loads of fun.
[1:08:32] Thank you so much for coming on the show and we wish you good
[1:08:34] luck for the podcast and everything else that you've got
[1:08:36] coming up in the future. It's been an.
[1:08:38] Absolute pleasure chatting films with you guys.
[1:08:41] Thank you for having me on. This has been absolutely lovely
[1:08:43] so cheers. Thank you, Alex.
[1:08:44] That was brilliant. No problem.
[1:08:45] Thanks, Alex. Cheers.
[1:08:54] Big thanks to Alex for. Coming on the show, don't forget
[1:08:56] to check out his podcast, A Trip to the Movies with Alex Zayn.
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