# FKN Classics Double Feature! Jery McKinney - Reality Puzzle | Jeremy Ryan Slate - Fall of Romerica

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 3 Sep 2026, 1 h 57 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back-to-back classic Forbidden Knowledge news episodes. Today I
[0:07] Speaker 1: want to welcome Jerry McKinney. He is an explorer of
[0:10] Speaker 1: ancient wisdom and modern ideas, blending philosophy, science, and spirituality
[0:16] Speaker 1: to challenge conventional thinking. With a focus on introspection and integration,
[0:21] Speaker 1: he seeks to bridge the gap between the unseen and
[0:24] Speaker 1: the practical. His work involves holistic life coaching and a
[0:29] Speaker 1: high-frequency clothing label launching in 2025.
[0:33] Speaker 2: Jerry, welcome. How you doing?
[0:36] Speaker 3: Doing great. Thank you for having me on. Excited to
[0:39] Speaker 3: speak with you.
[0:40] Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming on. This is going to
[0:42] Speaker 1: be great. You're one of those people that are using
[0:45] Speaker 1: your creativity to bring about positive changes and That can
[0:49] Speaker 1: be integrated into many aspects of our everyday lives. You
[0:53] Speaker 1: offer holistic life coaching, and you're also going to be
[0:56] Speaker 1: launching what you call a high-frequency clothing label next year.
[1:01] Speaker 1: So I'd love to hear all about that. You also
[1:04] Speaker 1: have some very interesting theories relating to the nature of
[1:07] Speaker 1: this human experience, which we'll discuss as well. But this
[1:11] Speaker 1: is your first time on. Before we get into anything,
[1:14] Speaker 1: tell us more about yourself and the work you're involved with.
[1:18] Speaker 3: Certainly. So I have a little bit of a unique background.
[1:23] Speaker 3: I grew up as a pastor's kid. And so coming
[1:27] Speaker 3: up through that, I was in school for theology at
[1:30] Speaker 3: the age of 14 and already teaching classes by the
[1:34] Speaker 3: time I was in my 20s. And I always had
[1:38] Speaker 3: this fascination with fashion. It began with wanting items that
[1:43] Speaker 3: weren't in existence. And so I was like, oh, maybe
[1:46] Speaker 3: I can make them. And so I got my first
[1:48] Speaker 3: sewing machine while I was in junior high and started
[1:51] Speaker 3: making wallets and that kind of thing. And then eventually
[1:55] Speaker 3: toured schools and realized that men's fashion wasn't something that
[1:59] Speaker 3: you could do exclusively, but it was more of an
[2:03] Speaker 3: elective and women's fashion was more of the focus. So
[2:07] Speaker 3: I really dove into women's fashion and said, okay, well,
[2:11] Speaker 3: let me see if I can do this for my
[2:13] Speaker 3: education and I'll enjoy this and ended up appreciating it
[2:20] Speaker 3: as this really underrated art form. And the best talent
[2:24] Speaker 3: really goes to women's fashion. So through all of that
[2:29] Speaker 3: and through my upbringing, I ended up kind of taking
[2:34] Speaker 3: these different routes through creative roles, ended up working in
[2:37] Speaker 3: finance for a while, ended up being a theology professor
[2:40] Speaker 3: for a while. But I've found a way to kind
[2:43] Speaker 3: of combine a lot of these different things that I've
[2:46] Speaker 3: been interested in. And a lot of it has to
[2:50] Speaker 3: do as well with a health journey that I've been
[2:53] Speaker 3: on where I ended up losing 50 pounds. I went
[2:58] Speaker 3: from drinking half a bottle of whiskey a day to
[3:02] Speaker 3: I haven't drank in a few years. And it's not
[3:05] Speaker 3: so much that like I'm sober. It's more, I just
[3:08] Speaker 3: don't even want to drink. I don't want to do
[3:10] Speaker 3: that to my brain is kind of where I'm at.
[3:12] Speaker 3: And I like the sharpness that I've been able to
[3:15] Speaker 3: have in the mental clarity. And so then going from
[3:18] Speaker 3: beyond just the health aspects of diet and all of this,
[3:23] Speaker 3: I started to realize what are we taking into our clothing?
[3:27] Speaker 3: Because if we're sitting in this stuff all day long,
[3:31] Speaker 3: why haven't we taken this beyond just what we're consuming?
[3:35] Speaker 3: to what's getting into our bloodstream through our clothes, and
[3:39] Speaker 3: what is the healthiest thing that we're able to wear
[3:42] Speaker 3: that would be good for not just our health, but
[3:46] Speaker 3: spiritually speaking as well.
[3:48] Speaker 1: Were there any profound events along your path that really
[3:53] Speaker 1: led you to your current understandings of the nature of
[3:57] Speaker 1: this experience and your spiritual experiences?
[4:02] Speaker 3: Certainly. So there was a lot of really pivotal books.
[4:05] Speaker 3: So one that really opened me up coming from a
[4:08] Speaker 3: Christian background is called the spirit of the disciplines by
[4:12] Speaker 3: Dallas Willard. And what I hadn't realized is that I
[4:16] Speaker 3: was very much divided from my body and I was
[4:19] Speaker 3: having issues with disassociation and kind of the faith movement
[4:25] Speaker 3: of like, you don't say negative things. You don't really
[4:29] Speaker 3: feel these negative feelings. it had driven this division between
[4:33] Speaker 3: my body and my spirit. And we would often have
[4:37] Speaker 3: these kinds of interpretations of the scripture that it's a
[4:42] Speaker 3: flesh worn against the spirit. And we need to do
[4:45] Speaker 3: these things to get more into the spirit and more
[4:49] Speaker 3: out of the flesh. But Dallas Willard really outlined this
[4:52] Speaker 3: in a way that he said, what spiritual action are
[4:55] Speaker 3: you able to do without your physical body? So that
[4:58] Speaker 3: kind of opened up the door for it for me.
[5:00] Speaker 3: And then I ended up going through some really profound
[5:03] Speaker 3: and devastating life events. My dad had gotten cancer. I
[5:08] Speaker 3: had a falling out with my family. I was no
[5:11] Speaker 3: longer working at the church because I was going through
[5:14] Speaker 3: a divorce and I ended up living in my car
[5:16] Speaker 3: for three months. And while I was living in my car,
[5:20] Speaker 3: my ex-wife was pregnant with her third daughter. And all
[5:25] Speaker 3: of this, I was at the worst place. I was
[5:27] Speaker 3: at rock bottom. And I came across this book by
[5:31] Speaker 3: this author, Jackson McKenzie, called Whole Again, that really got
[5:34] Speaker 3: into this embodiment practice and somatic therapy. And for the
[5:39] Speaker 3: first time in my life, I discovered how to embrace
[5:44] Speaker 3: unconditional love and to not feel responsible for other people's
[5:48] Speaker 3: thoughts and feelings, but to release so much of that baggage.
[5:52] Speaker 3: So it's like these steps, like I had to have
[5:54] Speaker 3: the Dallas Willard. that would say, okay, this is okay
[5:57] Speaker 3: within a Christian mind frame that you grew up in,
[5:59] Speaker 3: and that kind of system, then to lead into this
[6:02] Speaker 3: hole again. But then through that too, I ended up
[6:05] Speaker 3: finding a therapist and getting into a study that was
[6:10] Speaker 3: being run out of Japan for this type of therapy
[6:13] Speaker 3: called AEDP, which is a somatic type therapy. And I
[6:16] Speaker 3: got a super discounted rate because I didn't have a
[6:19] Speaker 3: lot of money at the time living in my car.
[6:21] Speaker 3: And It was like going from reading a book about
[6:26] Speaker 3: the gym to getting a physical trainer, the difference and
[6:31] Speaker 3: the amount of things that it really unlocked for me.
[6:34] Speaker 3: And this helped me to decode so much of the
[6:37] Speaker 3: dogma that I'd grown up in and to be able
[6:39] Speaker 3: to release some of that stuff and kind of move
[6:42] Speaker 3: into a new season. And I found all these profound things.
[6:46] Speaker 3: So this really led to the weight loss journey. and
[6:50] Speaker 3: being able to quit alcohol, being able to establish a
[6:53] Speaker 3: new life. And it was this really profound kind of
[6:56] Speaker 3: set of circumstances that allowed me to move into this.
[6:59] Speaker 1: Could you tell us a little bit more about what
[7:02] Speaker 1: somatic therapy and AEDP is? Right.
[7:06] Speaker 3: So I always forget the acronym of AEDP, but kind
[7:10] Speaker 3: of what's most helpful anyways, is just to kind of
[7:13] Speaker 3: talk about the process. So if you're sitting with a
[7:16] Speaker 3: somatic therapist, what they're going to do is get you
[7:20] Speaker 3: out of the narrative. So traditionally in talk therapy, you
[7:24] Speaker 3: sit there, you talk about your problems, they talk back,
[7:27] Speaker 3: and that can be really beneficial to have this kind
[7:30] Speaker 3: of conversation space without judgment and to verbally process some
[7:34] Speaker 3: of your emotions. But a somatic therapy type would be
[7:38] Speaker 3: totally contrary to that in the sense that you're actually
[7:41] Speaker 3: locating feelings in your body. So a lot of people
[7:44] Speaker 3: now have read this book, The Body Keeps a Score.
[7:48] Speaker 3: And they've realized that trauma is stored in the body.
[7:51] Speaker 3: And this is something that neurologists and different people in
[7:55] Speaker 3: the field are really coming to the conclusion of that
[7:58] Speaker 3: there is trauma locked up in our body that can
[8:01] Speaker 3: lead to disease. It can lead to mental issues. And
[8:07] Speaker 3: what a lot of people don't get to is to
[8:10] Speaker 3: the point of, okay, how do you release that trauma
[8:12] Speaker 3: that's held up in your body? How do you go
[8:15] Speaker 3: about the steps? of letting go of that and moving
[8:19] Speaker 3: past it or, and allowing that to leave your body.
[8:23] Speaker 3: So somatic therapy, you'd be sitting down with your therapist
[8:26] Speaker 3: and you'd start telling a story about some traumatic event
[8:30] Speaker 3: or something that happened to you. And they'd be like, okay,
[8:33] Speaker 3: pause that. And you'd be thinking I'm in the middle
[8:36] Speaker 3: of this really important story that seems so important that
[8:40] Speaker 3: I'm having these aha moments and I'm really getting to
[8:44] Speaker 3: the root of what screwed me up in life. But
[8:47] Speaker 3: they'd say, stop. Stop talking. What are you feeling? What
[8:52] Speaker 3: are you feeling right now in your body? And you
[8:54] Speaker 3: have to develop this whole new lexicon. And it does
[8:59] Speaker 3: feel a lot more like working out than it does
[9:02] Speaker 3: like having a conversation because it is this physical work.
[9:06] Speaker 3: And so you start to describe emotions, but you're using
[9:10] Speaker 3: narrative again, you're using storytelling again. And they just gently
[9:15] Speaker 3: guide you back to know, like, describe the sensation that
[9:19] Speaker 3: you're having in your body, because of a feeling is
[9:22] Speaker 3: that it's a sensation in our body. And as you
[9:26] Speaker 3: do that, it's really profound, the way that these messages
[9:30] Speaker 3: come through. And it's like that thing, that tightness or
[9:35] Speaker 3: that ache or that pain or that sharp stabbing, it
[9:40] Speaker 3: was trying to tell you something. It was a messenger.
[9:43] Speaker 3: And it was saying, hey, like, you got to pay
[9:46] Speaker 3: attention to this. But we had developed above that all
[9:51] Speaker 3: of this storytelling and all this other stuff that didn't
[9:54] Speaker 3: really address the root of it. So it's a really
[9:57] Speaker 3: uncomfortable process, but extremely transparent. as well.
[10:02] Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned how you use these therapies to escape
[10:06] Speaker 1: your personal dogma and trauma behind that. And I find
[10:10] Speaker 1: that so interesting how so many people have trauma behind
[10:15] Speaker 1: the childhood experiences with religion and the dogma behind that.
[10:22] Speaker 1: And in your talking points, you mentioned you had experiences
[10:25] Speaker 1: of apparitions while trying to release the fear of hell.
[10:30] Speaker 2: Could you tell us a little bit more about that?
[10:33] Speaker 3: Certainly. So it is pretty intriguing when you get into
[10:38] Speaker 3: the doctrine of hell and you talk to a Christian
[10:41] Speaker 3: about it because there is a pretty strong response generally.
[10:46] Speaker 3: that hell is definitely real. And the greatest advocates for
[10:51] Speaker 3: hell being the people who don't think they're going there
[10:54] Speaker 3: is a peculiar thing to note, because why are we
[10:57] Speaker 3: advocating so hard for something that you don't think you're
[11:02] Speaker 3: going there? So you want other people to go there?
[11:05] Speaker 3: And I could think of nothing I'd like to do
[11:07] Speaker 3: more than to burn hell to the ground, although it's
[11:11] Speaker 3: already underground and it's already on fire. So I don't
[11:13] Speaker 3: know if that's possible, but to release some of that
[11:18] Speaker 3: attachment to this doctrine. And so this has led me
[11:22] Speaker 3: to a tremendous amount of biblical study, but more from
[11:26] Speaker 3: this frame point that I'm not beginning with plenary verbal
[11:30] Speaker 3: inspiration or this idea that every word is inspired by
[11:34] Speaker 3: God or all of it's inspired by God down to
[11:37] Speaker 3: the choice of words, but beginning with a looser kind
[11:41] Speaker 3: of mindset, not this mindset that's saying I have to
[11:44] Speaker 3: disprove every letter of this and unwrite it. And everything
[11:49] Speaker 3: about it has got to be wrong. And the Vatican
[11:52] Speaker 3: has changed every single word of it and perverted it.
[11:56] Speaker 3: But instead this, because what I've realized is there's not
[12:01] Speaker 3: a more prolific book than the Bible. There's probably around
[12:06] Speaker 3: 8 million copies in circulation. So there's enough individual Bibles that,
[12:12] Speaker 3: For one person, or for every person in the world
[12:15] Speaker 3: to have one, on average, Americans have four Bibles each.
[12:20] Speaker 3: And that's just kind of wild to think. And I
[12:24] Speaker 3: think that we've lost touch with something with mythos. We've
[12:28] Speaker 3: lost touch with something with allegory. And it recently occurred
[12:33] Speaker 3: to me, how long was it between Plato's allegory of
[12:37] Speaker 3: the cave and the modern concept of cave people or Neanderthals?
[12:42] Speaker 3: And what do we lose when we shift our understanding
[12:46] Speaker 3: from the allegory of the cave to the actual science
[12:52] Speaker 3: and the archaeology of finding cave people? And I think
[12:56] Speaker 3: it's really symbolic of where we're at in terms of
[12:59] Speaker 3: society and where we've advanced to that our emphasis has
[13:03] Speaker 3: become more on science than it has become on the virtue,
[13:06] Speaker 3: on the wisdoms. on the lessons that we can garner
[13:11] Speaker 3: from these things. And one of the things that Greek
[13:13] Speaker 3: philosophers talk about that I think is really powerful is
[13:17] Speaker 3: not just knowing truth or having this kind of mental
[13:21] Speaker 3: understanding of it, but having the right relationship to truth.
[13:25] Speaker 3: And I think that's a really powerful shift that we
[13:27] Speaker 3: can do. And thinking about this podcast appearance and coming
[13:32] Speaker 3: on with you, one of the things that I've been
[13:34] Speaker 3: contemplating is just, I want to advocate for wisdom. And
[13:39] Speaker 3: how we can regain and recapture some relationship that we
[13:44] Speaker 3: can have to wisdom. Because I've listened to a bunch
[13:49] Speaker 3: of your podcasts. And I love what you're doing. I
[13:53] Speaker 3: think it's so incredible. And I listen to a lot
[13:56] Speaker 3: of podcasts in general. And I'm just noticing this trend
[14:02] Speaker 3: through a lot of podcasts that we have this truther community,
[14:06] Speaker 3: these people that are very into uncovering things, and the
[14:11] Speaker 3: next conspiracy theory, and what's the truth about this? What's
[14:15] Speaker 3: really going on? And I think it is a very
[14:19] Speaker 3: good place to be in as a culture because we're
[14:21] Speaker 3: uncovering a lot of things. But as we become maybe
[14:25] Speaker 3: more obsessed with truth, then where is wisdom in the equation?
[14:31] Speaker 3: Where is the wisdom that informs our life and helps
[14:36] Speaker 3: us live well and helps us relate well to this
[14:39] Speaker 3: truth that we're encountering?
[14:41] Speaker 1: You also mentioned earlier that you studied theology from a
[14:46] Speaker 1: very young age and how the Bible is probably one
[14:50] Speaker 1: of the most prolific books that we can read. In
[14:54] Speaker 1: your talking points, you have a 4D puzzle theory. We
[15:00] Speaker 1: are in a very technological age, and our understanding of
[15:04] Speaker 1: the nature of reality is related to our technological understandings.
[15:11] Speaker 1: We're speculating if this reality is some sort of simulation.
[15:16] Speaker 1: I'd love to get your thoughts on why we're here,
[15:19] Speaker 1: what is the nature of this human experience, and what
[15:22] Speaker 1: is your 4D puzzle theory?
[15:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, so... The 40 puzzle theory. It's one that has
[15:31] Speaker 3: not been very popular because it is kind of unanchoring
[15:35] Speaker 3: and it has this way of kind of questioning everything,
[15:39] Speaker 3: because I think that the, the nature of existence is
[15:46] Speaker 3: infinitely complex and it's impossible for any one person to understand.
[15:51] Speaker 3: So if I were to stick to the simple stuff
[15:54] Speaker 3: with the 40 puzzle theory, Whether you think of this
[15:58] Speaker 3: in a theistic view or you think of this as
[16:01] Speaker 3: coming from source, I think we all come from one thing.
[16:05] Speaker 3: And coming from that one thing, that then we separate
[16:09] Speaker 3: into many things, which is why we experience a very
[16:12] Speaker 3: individual kind of life. And then I think that what
[16:17] Speaker 3: we see through near-death experiences and the reports that come
[16:21] Speaker 3: back from those is that there's a uniting to the whole,
[16:25] Speaker 3: there's this new connection that we have to one another. So, um,
[16:30] Speaker 3: my thought would be that we don't lose our individuality,
[16:34] Speaker 3: but there's this new understanding that we have afterlife of the,
[16:39] Speaker 3: the lives of others and the feelings of others. And, um,
[16:46] Speaker 3: I find it really intriguing. If you look at really
[16:49] Speaker 3: simple things or you consider really simple things, for instance,
[16:53] Speaker 3: you've never seen your own face. You've never seen it
[16:56] Speaker 3: the way that another person has never once. And even
[17:01] Speaker 3: if you get a mirror, like there are special mirrors
[17:03] Speaker 3: that reflect your face the way that other people see it.
[17:07] Speaker 3: So not, you're not seeing it in a 3d manner
[17:10] Speaker 3: the way that that other person would. Um, and, then
[17:14] Speaker 3: you could even question if we've seen anyone else's face
[17:17] Speaker 3: in real time, because there is the speed of light,
[17:22] Speaker 3: at least it takes from their face to get into
[17:24] Speaker 3: your retina, then for your brain to process. And so
[17:30] Speaker 3: with this, we just have a very limited understanding of self.
[17:34] Speaker 3: We have a very limited understanding of others. One of
[17:37] Speaker 3: the things that I've been thinking about a lot lately
[17:40] Speaker 3: is Ludwig Wittensein, So he has this concept of a
[17:47] Speaker 3: beetle box, like these little children going out and each
[17:49] Speaker 3: collecting a beetle. But no one can look into each
[17:53] Speaker 3: other's beetle box. Only the children can describe the beetle
[17:57] Speaker 3: to each other. And in this concept, he illustrates this
[18:02] Speaker 3: really profound thought about our own human suffering and how
[18:07] Speaker 3: it's like we have this beetle within us. That it's
[18:11] Speaker 3: like our suffering and we try to describe it with
[18:15] Speaker 3: words and we talk about the colors of it or
[18:18] Speaker 3: the experience of it. But we can't really show someone
[18:22] Speaker 3: else our suffering. We can't really describe that in a
[18:26] Speaker 3: way that they're going to be able to understand it.
[18:28] Speaker 3: And I believe that this goes way far beyond just
[18:31] Speaker 3: our suffering. I don't know what happiness is like for you.
[18:36] Speaker 3: I only know what happiness is like for me. And
[18:38] Speaker 3: there might be similarities and I can assume certain levels
[18:42] Speaker 3: of similarities, but it's going to be a different experience
[18:45] Speaker 3: for you. So getting back to the puzzle theory and
[18:50] Speaker 3: kind of how I think of this world, I think
[18:54] Speaker 3: that no matter how much you study, no matter how
[18:57] Speaker 3: much you talk to other people, no matter how many
[19:00] Speaker 3: books you read, no matter how many experiences you have
[19:03] Speaker 3: with plant medicine or how many experiences you have of
[19:07] Speaker 3: a transcendent kind of spiritual state that you'll never fully
[19:11] Speaker 3: understand this existence. And I almost see it like a
[19:15] Speaker 3: video game or something that as soon as you get
[19:19] Speaker 3: to the end of the map, it's spawning more map
[19:22] Speaker 3: and it's allowing further export exploration. And part of the
[19:27] Speaker 3: nature of this experience, I think is found in what
[19:31] Speaker 3: exists here and does not exist in the afterlife. or
[19:34] Speaker 3: exists in the afterlife and doesn't exist here. So this
[19:38] Speaker 3: is kind of where I get back to the near-death experiences.
[19:41] Speaker 3: So if I want to know something about Italy because
[19:45] Speaker 3: I'm planning to travel to Italy, I could talk to
[19:48] Speaker 3: someone that's read a lot of books about Italy or
[19:52] Speaker 3: has heard a lot of things about Italy or has
[19:55] Speaker 3: seen it in their head or has had some kind
[19:58] Speaker 3: of version that they can tell me, or I can
[20:00] Speaker 3: speak to someone who's been to Italy and what's going
[20:04] Speaker 3: to be kind of more reliable information as far as
[20:07] Speaker 3: what might be in Italy. So when it comes to
[20:10] Speaker 3: the near-death experiences, the main reports that we get back
[20:14] Speaker 3: from these individuals, because there's a lot of researches that
[20:17] Speaker 3: have figured out the common themes as far as what happens.
[20:23] Speaker 3: And two of the most primary things are this idea
[20:26] Speaker 3: of like unconditional love and a unification with people and
[20:33] Speaker 3: kind of this oneness or this connection, at least that
[20:36] Speaker 3: the separation we're experiencing right now is more of an illusion. Interestingly,
[20:42] Speaker 3: we do see some of these things mirrored in quantum
[20:44] Speaker 3: physics and the idea of quantum entanglement and this interconnectedness
[20:49] Speaker 3: that's even faster than the speed of light, even faster
[20:52] Speaker 3: than I'm able to perceive the light that's coming from
[20:55] Speaker 3: your face. There's a connection on a quantum level between things.
[21:01] Speaker 3: So when I'm hearing these stories about near-death experiences. And
[21:06] Speaker 3: when I'm looking at the nature of the afterlife or
[21:09] Speaker 3: what happens after here, I say, well, what's different about
[21:12] Speaker 3: this realm? What's different about this incarnation and this experience?
[21:17] Speaker 3: And some of the massive differences are separation, are not
[21:24] Speaker 3: feeling unconditional love, but feeling conditional love, are time in itself,
[21:31] Speaker 3: are suffering, are this kind of waiting that we have
[21:37] Speaker 3: to do and the, the lack of that instant type
[21:41] Speaker 3: of connection to what we want or to other people.
[21:46] Speaker 3: And I, I think that there's something really sharp there
[21:49] Speaker 3: as far as understanding why we're here by what isn't
[21:55] Speaker 3: there and by what is, in the afterlife and being
[22:02] Speaker 3: able to contrast those two. And so that comes back
[22:05] Speaker 3: to the beetle box and the suffering, because one of
[22:08] Speaker 3: the things I think leads us to figure out the
[22:11] Speaker 3: meaning and the purpose of life most and causes people
[22:15] Speaker 3: to grapple with it the most is suffering. And we're
[22:19] Speaker 3: always trying to explain away the suffering. Yet I think
[22:24] Speaker 3: that in some ways it is a feature and not
[22:27] Speaker 3: a bug. Because you'll find some really interesting studies that
[22:31] Speaker 3: kind of point to this, that you'll have people that
[22:34] Speaker 3: they're able to press a button that gives them an
[22:37] Speaker 3: electric shock in a study. And they can do that
[22:41] Speaker 3: or they can just sit and wait. And they find
[22:44] Speaker 3: that people just sit there pressing the button over and
[22:47] Speaker 3: over again just to escape the boredom. And they'd rather
[22:51] Speaker 3: have the suffering than have nothing because it at least
[22:54] Speaker 3: is something interesting. or I think kind of a funny
[22:58] Speaker 3: way to illustrate this is when you smell something terrible
[23:02] Speaker 3: and there's someone next to you and you say, Hey,
[23:04] Speaker 3: smell this. Like what would make you want to smell that?
[23:09] Speaker 3: Like it's unpleasant, but there is something interesting and connective
[23:13] Speaker 3: about that. And I think that, the suffering that we
[23:18] Speaker 3: experience in this world, that we can use that then to,
[23:22] Speaker 3: we want to join a group that has a good
[23:23] Speaker 3: explanation for it and they have all the answers and
[23:26] Speaker 3: they're going to tell us why the suffering takes place. Meanwhile, that,
[23:30] Speaker 3: that beetle box, it's very individual. And our experience of
[23:34] Speaker 3: that pain is very individual. And so finding it in
[23:38] Speaker 3: a group, it may not give us the best answers
[23:42] Speaker 3: every time.
[23:42] Speaker 4: I love that.
[23:44] Speaker 1: This is, Such an important message. Right now is a
[23:49] Speaker 1: very difficult time for people, especially for those who are
[23:53] Speaker 1: becoming aware that there's something fundamentally wrong with the way
[23:58] Speaker 1: their previous perception of the world was, especially with the
[24:03] Speaker 1: rapid changes that we're experiencing. And there does seem to
[24:06] Speaker 1: be this wave of awareness coming over people And unfortunately,
[24:12] Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are subscribing to the
[24:16] Speaker 1: perspective that this experience here is some sort of trap,
[24:20] Speaker 1: that we're stuck here, that we are being siphoned from
[24:25] Speaker 1: by negative intelligences, and reincarnation is all about recycling us
[24:32] Speaker 1: just so that we can be fuel for whatever the
[24:35] Speaker 1: negative intelligence is. And I think this is an unfortunate
[24:39] Speaker 1: perspective that a lot of people... come to throughout their journey,
[24:42] Speaker 1: especially when they're in the conspiracy realms and they are
[24:47] Speaker 1: trying to find these answers. A lot of these theories
[24:51] Speaker 1: are permeating right now. Because of the time that we're in,
[24:57] Speaker 1: our internet and the social media is being flooded with
[25:01] Speaker 1: basically bad information that becomes difficult to decipher through. But
[25:07] Speaker 1: I really enjoy that perspective. And what would you tell
[25:10] Speaker 1: people that have this unfortunate perspective that this reality is
[25:15] Speaker 1: just a trap? Right.
[25:17] Speaker 3: So that's something I've spent a lot of time contemplating,
[25:20] Speaker 3: like whether or not this could be a prison planet.
[25:22] Speaker 3: I found a lot of great things from the Gnostics.
[25:26] Speaker 3: And so this idea of like the Demiurge and all
[25:28] Speaker 3: of this, I've, I've had this big resistance within in
[25:33] Speaker 3: joining a group and like, being part of this larger
[25:37] Speaker 3: movement because of my background with dogma. But when it
[25:41] Speaker 3: comes to the prison planet concept, my biggest resistance to that,
[25:46] Speaker 3: if this is a prison planet, first off, it's the
[25:48] Speaker 3: best prison that's ever existed.
[25:50] Speaker 4: Right, right, right, right.
[25:51] Speaker 3: Because the amount of freedom that we have, because if
[25:53] Speaker 3: you think of, if you're comparing two prisons, You might
[25:57] Speaker 3: compare the safety of it. You might compare the food
[26:00] Speaker 3: that they have. You might compare the comfort levels of
[26:05] Speaker 3: the cells. You might compare how much freedom. I can't
[26:11] Speaker 3: think of a single prison that would allow this much freedom,
[26:15] Speaker 3: that would allow this much comfort, that would allow this
[26:18] Speaker 3: much joy. And to me, if this is a prison planet,
[26:23] Speaker 3: then our body is the shackles. our body then would
[26:28] Speaker 3: essentially be that prison. So it's, it's one of the
[26:31] Speaker 3: gripes that I have with kind of the red pill
[26:34] Speaker 3: kind of language, because if we really are in this matrix,
[26:39] Speaker 3: then the red pill would be suicide. And I don't
[26:43] Speaker 3: think that that would be the best thing to advocate
[26:45] Speaker 3: for because maybe we have more to do here. Maybe
[26:48] Speaker 3: we have more to learn here. Maybe we have more experience.
[26:52] Speaker 3: And so I, when you begin to think of our
[26:55] Speaker 3: body as this prison, then you kind of get into this,
[27:00] Speaker 3: this disassociated behavior that you're not connecting to your body.
[27:04] Speaker 3: So this is where I like something like a Greg Braden.
[27:07] Speaker 3: So Greg Braden had done these studies looking into our
[27:11] Speaker 3: DNA and, and trying to figure out the signature on
[27:15] Speaker 3: the DNA, like who made us, who edited us, like,
[27:19] Speaker 3: is there some way in the DNA through gematria then
[27:22] Speaker 3: to figure out, who, who made us, maybe the artist
[27:25] Speaker 3: left a signature and what he ended up coming down to. Um,
[27:30] Speaker 3: and it was confirmed in all four languages through gematria
[27:33] Speaker 3: is God eternal in human flesh. And you'll even see
[27:38] Speaker 3: this through the Bible that are our bodies likened to
[27:40] Speaker 3: a temple. And I think that if we cause a
[27:44] Speaker 3: separation from our body, then we will experience this life
[27:49] Speaker 3: as a prison. But if we're able to connect to
[27:52] Speaker 3: our body, that's where we're seeing some of these really incredible,
[27:57] Speaker 3: almost magic level of kind of abilities that people are
[28:03] Speaker 3: seeing healing take place. If people are doing astral travel,
[28:07] Speaker 3: like all their breath work, all the drinking of water,
[28:10] Speaker 3: all of these things, they've been hugely beneficial to people.
[28:14] Speaker 3: And I would, I would advocate, if you hear someone
[28:18] Speaker 3: talking prison planet, like, which I don't, I don't mean
[28:21] Speaker 3: to like insinuate that they're wrong word because really I don't,
[28:27] Speaker 3: I don't think it's a good practice. I think everyone
[28:30] Speaker 3: is a little bit right. And I, I think that
[28:33] Speaker 3: as each part of the puzzle that we have a
[28:36] Speaker 3: piece of the larger picture and by, by doing this
[28:40] Speaker 3: judgment or by trying to relate everything under one theory
[28:44] Speaker 3: and to unify everything under one theory, I don't think
[28:48] Speaker 3: the universe likes that. I don't think that this existence
[28:51] Speaker 3: likes that, but there's going to be a constant resistance
[28:54] Speaker 3: to it. Because even if we did come up with one,
[28:58] Speaker 3: what does that mean from someone else's beetle box? What
[29:00] Speaker 3: does that mean from their experience? There's a universe inside
[29:03] Speaker 3: of each of us. And we don't know how another
[29:07] Speaker 3: person is experiencing the universe. Therefore, how can we unify
[29:11] Speaker 3: it all under one thing? But back to the prison
[29:14] Speaker 3: planet concept, I have this thing now. I don't want
[29:19] Speaker 3: to go to a doctor that's overweight.
[29:21] Speaker 1: Right.
[29:21] Speaker 3: I just I just don't.
[29:23] Speaker 4: Right.
[29:24] Speaker 3: Right. And like a nutritionist, like when you look at
[29:28] Speaker 3: who's in our government that is advocating for health and
[29:34] Speaker 3: and is running departments of nutrition. And it's like this
[29:38] Speaker 3: person looks anemic. or this person looks morbidly obese. And
[29:43] Speaker 3: they're telling me to drink soda and eat a lot
[29:47] Speaker 3: of glyphosate and all these different things. I don't think
[29:50] Speaker 3: I'm going to do that. One of the things that
[29:53] Speaker 3: I've noticed within the spiritual community is you can visually
[29:56] Speaker 3: see a disassociated person, then you see their body is
[30:04] Speaker 3: speaking as well as their words and applying the same thing. Like,
[30:09] Speaker 3: and I, I really don't mean to be rude and
[30:12] Speaker 3: I don't mean this at any specific person, but if,
[30:15] Speaker 3: if you're having like weight issues and like your eyes
[30:20] Speaker 3: are sallow and like, there's some kind of thing going
[30:24] Speaker 3: on physically that we can see, then maybe when you're
[30:28] Speaker 3: telling us a prison planet, that's more of a personal thing.
[30:32] Speaker 3: And that's more of a personal perspective. And you might
[30:36] Speaker 3: be separated from your body because then in that case,
[30:40] Speaker 3: your body is the prison. And I don't think our
[30:42] Speaker 3: body is a prison. I think our body is this
[30:46] Speaker 3: expression of divine. It is the most incredible thing because
[30:50] Speaker 3: that would be the first and number one thing that
[30:54] Speaker 3: exists here but doesn't exist in the afterlife is this
[30:58] Speaker 3: kind of material body that we have. And I think
[31:01] Speaker 3: we got to make friends with it and find ways
[31:04] Speaker 3: to connect to our body and find ways to release
[31:06] Speaker 3: the trauma, find ways through all of these modalities that
[31:11] Speaker 3: have been coming up recently, I think are very powerful
[31:14] Speaker 3: that involve, um, like a greater emphasis on exercise, kind
[31:20] Speaker 3: of these things to jolt us awake, like a cold plunge, these, uh,
[31:24] Speaker 3: the emphasis on not putting chemicals all over us all
[31:28] Speaker 3: the time and being able to clean things up. And
[31:33] Speaker 3: it's really incredible. And when you start to go down
[31:34] Speaker 3: this path, how your thinking clears and how your emotions
[31:38] Speaker 3: clear and how you build this greater relationship with yourself,
[31:41] Speaker 3: instead of feeling like we're stuck here and everything is terrible.
[31:46] Speaker 1: Through my journey, I've come to realize for me that
[31:51] Speaker 1: the most important things in in my reality that I
[31:54] Speaker 1: can focus on is how I view things, my perception,
[31:59] Speaker 1: and the fuel for what brings beauty and wonderful things
[32:05] Speaker 1: in my life is my willingness to participate with it,
[32:09] Speaker 1: the imagination and creativity that I put out behind it.
[32:13] Speaker 1: It seems to be this fuel for positive outcomes and
[32:18] Speaker 1: positive energy, and it perpetuates it. And I know I've
[32:22] Speaker 1: been saying this for years and it sounds like new
[32:25] Speaker 1: age woo woo BS, but it's the absolute truth. Our
[32:28] Speaker 1: perception is everything.
[32:30] Speaker 3: Definitely. My uncle used to say attitude is everything. And
[32:35] Speaker 3: I really hated that phrase when he used to say it,
[32:38] Speaker 3: but I've recently been coming back to it. And that's
[32:41] Speaker 3: not to say you won't experience deep pain, but it's
[32:45] Speaker 3: a perspective of that deep pain that you have. And
[32:49] Speaker 3: if I were to leave people with a somatic practice,
[32:53] Speaker 3: there's an author called Tara Brock, and she has this
[32:57] Speaker 3: idea called RAIN. And so recognize, allow, investigate, non-identify. So
[33:03] Speaker 3: a lot of people don't even get past the R
[33:06] Speaker 3: of that, of recognizing, like I'm having a big feeling.
[33:10] Speaker 3: Like I'm having a big sensation. And often we don't
[33:14] Speaker 3: notice a feeling in real time. We notice a feeling
[33:18] Speaker 3: once it's become a large breaker. Like we don't see
[33:22] Speaker 3: the swell. We don't see the undercurrent. We just see
[33:24] Speaker 3: this massive like burst of anger. And we're thinking, why
[33:27] Speaker 3: am I so pissed off? Like, why am I so depressed?
[33:31] Speaker 3: And we only recognize it once it's escalated to that point.
[33:35] Speaker 3: But if you can learn to recognize early on what
[33:39] Speaker 3: those feelings are, that you're having those big feelings, then
[33:42] Speaker 3: you can move on to the next step, which is
[33:45] Speaker 3: to allow. And this is something that is really difficult
[33:49] Speaker 3: because we feel like we're going to be swallowed alive
[33:51] Speaker 3: by those feelings. And especially when it comes to these
[33:53] Speaker 3: negative feelings.
[33:54] Speaker 1: Right.
[33:55] Speaker 3: And to be honest, like I, I came to this
[33:57] Speaker 3: point of realizing I didn't trust my happy feelings. I
[34:00] Speaker 3: didn't trust feeling good because of a fear of hell.
[34:05] Speaker 3: Because like that was going to lead to some kind
[34:07] Speaker 3: of ego or because maybe I was feeling good because
[34:11] Speaker 3: I was doing something bad and sometimes doing something bad
[34:13] Speaker 3: feels good. And so there was like this disassociation and
[34:17] Speaker 3: kind of this twisting mentally that I had. But just
[34:21] Speaker 3: to sit and allow a feeling, allow a negative feeling,
[34:24] Speaker 3: allow a hurt feeling, allow that sadness. Then you can
[34:29] Speaker 3: move on to investigate because feelings really are messengers. So
[34:34] Speaker 3: one of the intriguing things about leprosy is when people
[34:39] Speaker 3: get leprosy, they lose feeling in their nerve endings. And
[34:44] Speaker 3: so if you go to a leper colony, you'll see
[34:47] Speaker 3: a lot of disfigured people because if you're someone that
[34:51] Speaker 3: is dealing with leprosy and you're grilling a hot dog
[34:54] Speaker 3: and it falls down into the coals, if you reach
[34:57] Speaker 3: out and grab that hot dog, you're not gonna feel it,
[35:00] Speaker 3: but you are going to, face the consequences of it.
[35:06] Speaker 3: So I think that we have gotten to a place,
[35:09] Speaker 3: some of us, of numbing our feelings, numbing our emotions,
[35:13] Speaker 3: and not being able to connect to that side of ourself.
[35:17] Speaker 3: And therefore, we're walking around and our souls are completely disfigured.
[35:21] Speaker 3: And we don't even realize that. And we're dealing with
[35:24] Speaker 3: all of these downline kind of issues, not realizing even
[35:28] Speaker 3: those negative feelings are They're good because they're a messenger.
[35:33] Speaker 3: They're trying to tell us something. They're trying to tell
[35:35] Speaker 3: us hot. Don't touch. Don't stick your hand into a
[35:40] Speaker 3: burning barbecue. And we're continuing to do these things in
[35:45] Speaker 3: life that are essentially sticking our hand into a burning barbecue.
[35:49] Speaker 3: We're having the same fights with people because we're not
[35:51] Speaker 3: listening to the emotions. We're staying in abusive situations because
[35:56] Speaker 3: we're not listening to the messengers. So if you can
[36:00] Speaker 3: recognize and allow then you can investigate which is a
[36:03] Speaker 3: simple okay feeling what are you trying to tell me
[36:07] Speaker 3: and there's often a really good message there so then
[36:12] Speaker 3: when you get down to the fourth point the end
[36:14] Speaker 3: it's not identified so essentially this is no feeling gets
[36:17] Speaker 3: to tell me who i am it doesn't define me
[36:20] Speaker 3: and it doesn't get to tell me what to do
[36:22] Speaker 3: so i i kind of imagine this whole thing like
[36:24] Speaker 3: a feeling's knocking at your door you hear it and
[36:27] Speaker 3: you're like oh there's a feeling here Allow is like, oh,
[36:30] Speaker 3: come in, take a seat. Investigate is, okay, you can
[36:33] Speaker 3: say your piece. What are you trying to tell me?
[36:35] Speaker 3: And then not identify is, okay, but you don't live here.
[36:39] Speaker 3: Like I'm not setting up a room for this feeling
[36:42] Speaker 3: and defining my whole life and putting up posters on
[36:45] Speaker 3: my walls that are this feeling, but you can go now.
[36:48] Speaker 3: And if you're able to walk through these steps, you
[36:51] Speaker 3: really do see a release of that feeling. You're able
[36:54] Speaker 3: to deal with them more on the small level, learn
[36:56] Speaker 3: the lessons that they have to give you.
[36:58] Speaker 1: Something that I still struggle with occasionally is this strange
[37:03] Speaker 1: guilt over becoming successful on my own and doing what
[37:09] Speaker 1: I do as a creative job. Growing up in a
[37:15] Speaker 1: religious family, having this ethic instilled in me that I
[37:20] Speaker 1: have to follow in my father's footsteps, be a lawyer
[37:24] Speaker 1: or something prolific like a doctor or you won't be
[37:27] Speaker 1: respected or some sort of corporate job where I'm bringing
[37:31] Speaker 1: in hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. And when
[37:36] Speaker 1: I first started to go down this path, which I
[37:39] Speaker 1: never expected, it just started out as a fun hobby.
[37:42] Speaker 1: When I first started to be able to support myself
[37:45] Speaker 1: from this career, there was so much overwhelming guilt and
[37:49] Speaker 1: I didn't know where it came from. I didn't understand it.
[37:52] Speaker 1: But I do now, I know exactly where it comes from.
[37:56] Speaker 1: And I still struggle, like I said, with that occasional
[38:00] Speaker 1: feeling popping up. But I had to realize that I
[38:03] Speaker 1: do deserve this. This is my life path. This is
[38:08] Speaker 1: what I came here to do. And I'm grateful and
[38:11] Speaker 1: blessed to be able to do it every day. And
[38:14] Speaker 1: it's an incredible thing. But it's unfortunate that we have
[38:19] Speaker 1: these things like guilt over success that gets instilled in us.
[38:24] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[38:24] Speaker 3: I think one of the most powerful things that we
[38:26] Speaker 3: can do is to forgive ourselves and to let go
[38:31] Speaker 3: of things. And one of the things that's intrigued me
[38:35] Speaker 3: is when people are like, I can, I don't forgive
[38:38] Speaker 3: that person. Like I'm, I'm never going to forgive them
[38:43] Speaker 3: because where does the energy live? That negative energy. It
[38:48] Speaker 3: doesn't live with that person. It lives with you. That's
[38:51] Speaker 3: its home. And you're saying that you're going to make
[38:54] Speaker 3: it stay there. And for what reason? Because you're afraid
[38:58] Speaker 3: that someone else is going to do it to you
[38:59] Speaker 3: and you've got to protect yourself. Sorry, that's not going
[39:02] Speaker 3: to work. But as you vibrate at that energy and
[39:05] Speaker 3: as you hold that energy, you actually attract that energy
[39:08] Speaker 3: and you attract more people treating you that way and
[39:12] Speaker 3: repeating cycles. And so when we talk about forgiveness, The
[39:16] Speaker 3: most powerful thing is you're addressing it at home. And
[39:21] Speaker 3: so I advocate for forgiveness. It doesn't involve like, I'm
[39:25] Speaker 3: going to go talk to this person. I'm going to
[39:27] Speaker 3: tell them what they did wrong and tell them I
[39:29] Speaker 3: forgive them. Why would you do that? It doesn't live
[39:32] Speaker 3: with them. And like, maybe if you feel like they're
[39:35] Speaker 3: holding some kind of shame or guilt about hurting you.
[39:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[39:40] Speaker 3: Like that's a nice thing to do for them, but
[39:42] Speaker 3: to deal with it where it's at and then to
[39:45] Speaker 3: step in and realize if, if, we don't give something
[39:49] Speaker 3: to ourself when we give it to someone else, it's
[39:52] Speaker 3: always false.
[39:54] Speaker 4: It always is.
[39:55] Speaker 3: And so whenever we try to show love toward other people,
[39:59] Speaker 3: but we haven't extended love to ourself and self-love that
[40:03] Speaker 3: love is going to express falsely because it's not really
[40:07] Speaker 3: a love for that person. If we look underneath it,
[40:11] Speaker 3: and I don't mean to say this in an unkind way,
[40:14] Speaker 3: but what you'll notice, if you really pay attention, is
[40:18] Speaker 3: that is us trying to feel good about ourselves. That's
[40:22] Speaker 3: us trying to get a response from that person. That's
[40:24] Speaker 3: us trying to look good around other people. That's us
[40:27] Speaker 3: trying to overcompensate for whatever shame or guilt that we have.
[40:32] Speaker 3: But if we extend love inwardly, then we can do
[40:36] Speaker 3: an outflow of love that's not rooted in people just
[40:41] Speaker 3: liking us. That's not rooted in, I need to make
[40:45] Speaker 3: up for the bad things that I've done. And so
[40:47] Speaker 3: when it comes to self-forgiveness, I found it really powerful
[40:51] Speaker 3: to just sit in long meditations and recognize because the
[40:55] Speaker 3: way that our mind works is we'll replay the same
[40:58] Speaker 3: succession of memories that tell us that we're not good enough,
[41:02] Speaker 3: that tell us that we should have done something wrong.
[41:05] Speaker 3: And when you actually look at the nature of memory,
[41:07] Speaker 3: it's very fallible. We don't actually know what happened and
[41:11] Speaker 3: we'll never know what happened. And actually the events that
[41:14] Speaker 3: we think we know the way that they played out
[41:17] Speaker 3: the most, um, which, uh, psychologists would call flashbulb memories.
[41:21] Speaker 3: And they've, they've studied all these flashbulb memories like nine
[41:24] Speaker 3: 11 or like the, um, challenger explosion. And they'll interview
[41:30] Speaker 3: people and say, what were you wearing? What were you doing?
[41:33] Speaker 3: And then they'll interview them six months and a year later.
[41:35] Speaker 3: And their answers change drastically because every time we remember something,
[41:41] Speaker 3: we're remembering that we're not going to filing cabinet where
[41:44] Speaker 3: things have been kept exactly like we left them, but
[41:47] Speaker 3: we're doing a creative act of reconstructing that thing. And
[41:50] Speaker 3: it becomes like a photocopy of a photocopy. And I
[41:54] Speaker 3: think if we were to look inside people's brains, we'd
[41:57] Speaker 3: be shocked at what they're photocopying. So how far it's
[42:00] Speaker 3: gotten from the original to, And ask, Hey, don't you
[42:04] Speaker 3: think you might want to let this go, let go
[42:07] Speaker 3: of this feeling or let go of this lack of
[42:10] Speaker 3: forgiving yourself and kind of these mental patterns and the cycle,
[42:14] Speaker 3: this memory leads to that memory. And this person said that,
[42:17] Speaker 3: and I felt this and it just strengthens it while
[42:20] Speaker 3: getting further and further from the truth when really like, why,
[42:25] Speaker 3: why do we feel this need to hold onto it
[42:27] Speaker 3: to that level?
[42:29] Speaker 1: I'd like to think that the era we're collectively heading
[42:32] Speaker 1: into is that of personal accountability. And I think that's
[42:38] Speaker 1: the solution to all of this. I think we like
[42:42] Speaker 1: to blame the parasitic ruling class, the lizard people for
[42:46] Speaker 1: the problems that we have. But we are the ones
[42:50] Speaker 1: that gave them the power. We're the ones that keep
[42:53] Speaker 1: voting these people in. We keep participating with draconian agendas,
[42:58] Speaker 1: eating poisonous food. We're perpetuating it, basically. And I see
[43:03] Speaker 1: that the more we take personal accountability and pull out
[43:08] Speaker 1: of those anti-human systems and start taking care of things
[43:12] Speaker 1: that can fundamentally make a difference and make things better,
[43:16] Speaker 1: that's going to have an infectious effect on the next person.
[43:20] Speaker 1: And it seems to be the answer to it all
[43:23] Speaker 1: is just personal individual accountability.
[43:27] Speaker 3: When, and to come back to the idea of life
[43:29] Speaker 3: reviews and, and kind of the near death experience, what
[43:32] Speaker 3: a lot of people report in their life review is
[43:35] Speaker 3: that they feel every interaction that they had from the
[43:38] Speaker 3: other person's perspective. And they, they see themselves really see
[43:42] Speaker 3: themselves and really see the other person and, and see
[43:45] Speaker 3: and feel from their perspective. So again, I think that
[43:50] Speaker 3: we have to rethink at some point our meaning and
[43:53] Speaker 3: our definition of success. And if success is really what
[43:57] Speaker 3: we're shooting for in life, and we're having these life
[44:01] Speaker 3: reviews that aren't about how much money we made, how
[44:05] Speaker 3: many people we impacted on a grand scale. It's not
[44:10] Speaker 3: about like all these accomplishments and legacy and that kind
[44:14] Speaker 3: of thing. It's about how we made other people feel
[44:18] Speaker 3: on the simplest level. And one thing that I'd really
[44:21] Speaker 3: love to advocate for is we desperately need more coaches.
[44:26] Speaker 3: We desperately need more mentors. And the problem is we've
[44:30] Speaker 3: moved into a capitalist age when it comes to spiritualism.
[44:34] Speaker 3: And so go and try to find a spiritual leader
[44:37] Speaker 3: that's free. Go and try to find a program that's free.
[44:42] Speaker 3: They're all really expensive. And then when you set it
[44:45] Speaker 3: up under that and the value is like X amount
[44:48] Speaker 3: of dollars and then the promises of that program become
[44:51] Speaker 3: how much money you're going to make. And it's all
[44:54] Speaker 3: this self-feeding system. And what gets lost in this process
[44:58] Speaker 3: is the passing on of wisdom. And I kind of
[45:02] Speaker 3: blame the boomers for this. And like, I don't mean
[45:05] Speaker 3: it against them so much as I think they got
[45:07] Speaker 3: kind of hoodwinked to move us into this capitalist age.
[45:11] Speaker 3: I don't think that we have a lot of boomers
[45:14] Speaker 3: that are giving back to this generation in a way
[45:16] Speaker 3: that's free. It all costs money for a program. They
[45:20] Speaker 3: fully bought into this capitalist mindset when it comes to
[45:23] Speaker 3: wisdom and the exchange of information and mentorship. And I
[45:27] Speaker 3: think that one of the most powerful things we can do,
[45:29] Speaker 3: even with this imposter syndrome or with this kind of like,
[45:33] Speaker 3: I don't know if I should be able to do this,
[45:34] Speaker 3: is can we each find three people to pour back into?
[45:37] Speaker 3: And it has nothing to do with money. Money isn't
[45:42] Speaker 3: required for it. And money isn't the end outcome that
[45:46] Speaker 3: we're trying to help them with. But we're passing on
[45:49] Speaker 3: these life lessons that have come with age.
[45:53] Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier that next year you're going to be
[45:56] Speaker 1: launching a high frequency clothing line. First of all, tell
[45:59] Speaker 1: us about what you mean by high frequency clothing.
[46:02] Speaker 3: Sure. So there have been these studies that were ran
[46:06] Speaker 3: that measured the frequency of different fabrics. So linen and
[46:11] Speaker 3: wool were each found at the frequency of 5,000. Organic cotton,
[46:16] Speaker 3: organic hemp, any kind of organic other fiber besides linen
[46:20] Speaker 3: or wool came in at 100. Synthetic fabrics came in
[46:26] Speaker 3: at a five. So just to give perspective on this,
[46:31] Speaker 3: a human body resting is at 100. A dead body
[46:35] Speaker 3: is at a five. And then when you talk about 5,000,
[46:39] Speaker 3: it's so exponentially above our resting rate. They've actually found
[46:46] Speaker 3: they'll wrap wounds in a flax bandage, which is what
[46:50] Speaker 3: linen's made from, and overnight the person will be healed.
[46:54] Speaker 3: There's been some press that's been brought recently to band-aids
[46:58] Speaker 3: causing cancer. But imagine if we just went back to flax.
[47:03] Speaker 3: We went back to linen and how that could accelerate healing.
[47:06] Speaker 3: Kind of an intriguing connection to this is the Bible
[47:09] Speaker 3: actually talks about not mixing fabrics, not blending fabrics. And
[47:13] Speaker 3: it talks specifically about not blending linen and wool. So
[47:17] Speaker 3: linen and wool, both out of 5,000, but if you
[47:20] Speaker 3: blend them because the frequency actually goes at an opposite direction,
[47:24] Speaker 3: cancels each other out. And so you're, you're back down
[47:28] Speaker 3: to a zero. So I began to look for like,
[47:31] Speaker 3: where can I find more linen? One of the biggest
[47:34] Speaker 3: things with linen is the wrinkling and the, Like we're
[47:39] Speaker 3: so used to cotton. I love cotton. Cotton's always my
[47:42] Speaker 3: favorite fabric. Between a hoodie and jeans, like can you
[47:46] Speaker 3: get any better than that? And both using cotton. So
[47:51] Speaker 3: what I'm working on is developing proprietary fabrics that are linen,
[47:55] Speaker 3: but look and feel like cotton. So they're going to
[47:58] Speaker 3: be less of that summer weight. It's not going to
[48:00] Speaker 3: look like you're having your eat, pray, love moment. And
[48:03] Speaker 3: you just got back from India and now you're wearing
[48:05] Speaker 3: some kind of linen muumuu. but kind of more everyday
[48:09] Speaker 3: basic items that are going to be in this uplifting
[48:13] Speaker 3: kind of fabrics. So there's a high frequency aspect to it,
[48:17] Speaker 3: but then there's also the forever chemicals that our garments
[48:20] Speaker 3: are treated with. So there are several chemicals. So like
[48:24] Speaker 3: if you look at a dry fit or you look
[48:26] Speaker 3: at a water resistant type of item, the reason that
[48:29] Speaker 3: they have those properties is because the chemicals that they've
[48:31] Speaker 3: been treated with in those chemicals are forever chemicals and
[48:35] Speaker 3: then by the way, when you sweat leach into your
[48:38] Speaker 3: bloodstream and our blood brain permeable. And so we're having
[48:42] Speaker 3: toxins go into our brain from the clothing that we're wearing.
[48:46] Speaker 3: And when you think about this in terms of workout attire,
[48:50] Speaker 3: you're getting really sweaty and your pores are opening up.
[48:54] Speaker 3: And then this stretch fabric that has been treated with
[48:57] Speaker 3: some kind of moisture wicking type of chemical is going
[49:01] Speaker 3: right into your bloodstream. And so we're going to, I
[49:06] Speaker 3: believe more people moving into this already MIA, the like
[49:11] Speaker 3: rapper artist, she just released a line where it's all
[49:15] Speaker 3: based on silver. And so it has these 5g and
[49:18] Speaker 3: wifi blocking kind of blocks. out things. So there's an
[49:22] Speaker 3: antimicrobial nature of silver. And I plan to use some silver,
[49:28] Speaker 3: some copper and, and some other materials like that. Another
[49:33] Speaker 3: thing I want to do is put crystals like inside
[49:35] Speaker 3: the side seams and Because I don't even care if
[49:39] Speaker 3: crystals work or not. I just like them. I like
[49:41] Speaker 3: cool rocks. And I always have them in my pockets.
[49:45] Speaker 3: And it's kind of annoying because they're like jangling around.
[49:48] Speaker 3: But just to put them inside of the garment where
[49:50] Speaker 3: you don't even see it. And then wrapping them with
[49:53] Speaker 3: copper wire that then is connecting to chakra points. And
[49:57] Speaker 3: then flipping the whole chemical side of fashion where we
[50:02] Speaker 3: have these forever chemicals leaching into our body. And which,
[50:06] Speaker 3: by the way, can also be hormone disrupting. And then
[50:09] Speaker 3: in our underwear, this could be leading to some of
[50:13] Speaker 3: the issues we're having with infertility. But to flip that
[50:17] Speaker 3: on its head and say, well, we know a lot
[50:19] Speaker 3: of herbs that are good for us. There's already companies
[50:22] Speaker 3: that are doing CBD and leggings that are helping with inflammation,
[50:26] Speaker 3: that kind of thing. But I'm wanting to use Shungite
[50:29] Speaker 3: because Shungite you can get in powder form and it
[50:31] Speaker 3: has like 5g and wifi blocking kind of properties and
[50:34] Speaker 3: like clears the air around you as, as well as
[50:38] Speaker 3: different herbs that we can put in that are beneficial
[50:40] Speaker 3: for health, for spiritual growth, for wellness, for weight loss,
[50:46] Speaker 3: for peace of mind. So, um, Yeah, I kind of
[50:50] Speaker 3: have a lot of direction as I'm going in with this.
[50:53] Speaker 3: But yeah, we're looking to launch here in 2025.
[50:56] Speaker 1: Man, this is something I've never even considered. And I
[51:01] Speaker 1: can hear my audience now like, oh, we have to
[51:04] Speaker 1: worry about bees and poison by our food and water
[51:07] Speaker 1: and now our clothes. Well, yeah, unfortunately, our clothes too.
[51:11] Speaker 1: That's insane that you don't think about the forever chemicals.
[51:15] Speaker 1: And when you mentioned... High frequency, low frequency clothing. What
[51:20] Speaker 1: could be the extent of negative effects from low frequency clothing?
[51:28] Speaker 3: We know about the government using different frequencies and using
[51:32] Speaker 3: different sound technology. Even David Bowie was a whistleblower on
[51:38] Speaker 3: the black noise kind of concept. Everything is really carrying
[51:42] Speaker 3: this tune. It's kind of singing to us. The whole
[51:45] Speaker 3: universe is singing to us. And so when we have
[51:48] Speaker 3: these objects around us or we have objects on top
[51:51] Speaker 3: of us, because if you look traditionally into spiritual kind
[51:56] Speaker 3: of groups, they always wear linen. Why are they always
[52:00] Speaker 3: wearing linen? Like a person of the cloth. That's essentially
[52:04] Speaker 3: what we're describing as linen, the Shroud of Turin. Like
[52:07] Speaker 3: that's linen. And linen is tremendously old. We don't even
[52:12] Speaker 3: know where it came from. It's one of the oldest
[52:14] Speaker 3: crops that we have in the world. And linen, for
[52:19] Speaker 3: some reason, it does have this connotation with kind of
[52:22] Speaker 3: spiritual scent. And so kind of knowing exactly how it's
[52:26] Speaker 3: going to interact with us beyond that kind of flax
[52:29] Speaker 3: bandage thing that I brought up and that accelerating healing.
[52:32] Speaker 3: I think of it just like a wet blanket. Like
[52:37] Speaker 3: you throw a wet blanket on something, you're going to
[52:40] Speaker 3: suffocate it. And I wonder if we are to a
[52:43] Speaker 3: degree being suffocated because we know what's in the water.
[52:46] Speaker 3: We know they're putting fluoride everywhere. We know it's in
[52:49] Speaker 3: the air. And maybe there is some discussion whether or
[52:51] Speaker 3: not they're spraying stuff into the air through chemtrails. But
[52:55] Speaker 3: at least that there's pollution and that these all have
[52:58] Speaker 3: an impact mentally. They all tamp us down mentally, that
[53:03] Speaker 3: they're showing the IQ points come down from fluoride and
[53:06] Speaker 3: water and toothpaste. And I wonder the same with our clothing.
[53:11] Speaker 3: Then if we wear clothes that aren't limiting, that aren't
[53:14] Speaker 3: this wet blanket, then we'll see an increase in cognitive
[53:18] Speaker 3: function as well.
[53:20] Speaker 2: I've noticed a.
[53:21] Speaker 1: Few companies, mainly shoe companies, that have started developing footwear
[53:28] Speaker 1: that helps ground and That's something else that recently become
[53:35] Speaker 1: aware of is the fundamental problem with a lot of
[53:38] Speaker 1: our footwear where we don't make contact with the ground
[53:43] Speaker 1: and we don't get that beneficial energy in the frequencies
[53:47] Speaker 1: that come from it, right?
[53:49] Speaker 3: Definitely. So yeah, that rubber totally disrupts our ability to ground.
[53:54] Speaker 3: And if you go back to older cultures and the
[53:58] Speaker 3: way that a village would work walking around barefoot, or
[54:01] Speaker 3: even I've seen some really ancient shoes that have metal
[54:05] Speaker 3: devices on the bottom of them. And if you wear
[54:09] Speaker 3: certain kinds of leather or like you're saying these shoes
[54:12] Speaker 3: that people are now making. you don't lose that connection
[54:15] Speaker 3: to the earth and kind of having that electrical output,
[54:19] Speaker 3: like where you're, you're not holding all of it inside
[54:23] Speaker 3: of you. So I'm not even the best person to
[54:25] Speaker 3: talk to about the whole science of the electricity and
[54:28] Speaker 3: how it's moving through us. I do have Oregon devices.
[54:32] Speaker 3: I got some from the guy who runs Organite out
[54:37] Speaker 3: of Oregon, Washington.
[54:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[54:40] Speaker 3: He actually connected me to you. So I should give
[54:42] Speaker 3: him a shout out. But I love having these kinds
[54:46] Speaker 3: of things in my life. And I kind of rely
[54:48] Speaker 3: upon people like Isaac to have the broader understanding. But
[54:51] Speaker 3: there certainly is something that if we're running around in
[54:56] Speaker 3: rubber shoes all day long, then we're disconnected from the earth.
[55:00] Speaker 3: And I think through a close, in the same way,
[55:03] Speaker 3: we'd be disconnected from the atmosphere. That is kind of
[55:06] Speaker 3: creating this barrier from the atmosphere around us and the
[55:10] Speaker 3: energy around us.
[55:11] Speaker 1: Right on. This is great information. Jerry, is there anything
[55:15] Speaker 1: that we haven't covered that you'd like to leave the
[55:18] Speaker 1: audience with tonight or any final thoughts? I just really
[55:24] Speaker 1: appreciate being able to come on and appreciate what you do.
[55:27] Speaker 1: You've had some real heavy hitters on.
[55:29] Speaker 3: And so I feel honored to come on with you
[55:32] Speaker 3: today and really just let's let's get wisdom. Let's put
[55:37] Speaker 3: the emphasis on wisdom because truth is really awesome. And
[55:41] Speaker 3: I'm loving this time of revelation, all this stuff coming out,
[55:45] Speaker 3: but it doesn't ensure a good life. And I don't
[55:48] Speaker 3: think that at the end of this existence and our
[55:52] Speaker 3: life review, we're going to be sitting there and measuring
[55:55] Speaker 3: how much truth we uncovered, but we're I think that
[55:59] Speaker 3: more of a factor will be like how we made
[56:02] Speaker 3: other people feel. And that requires this other skill of wisdom.
[56:05] Speaker 3: And so I really just want to advocate for that
[56:08] Speaker 3: and advocate for people finding someone to mentor and to
[56:11] Speaker 3: pour wisdom in because we need to undo some of
[56:14] Speaker 3: this generational thing that there's gotten off because we used
[56:18] Speaker 3: to respect people older than us. And I think that
[56:22] Speaker 3: we've maybe gotten so obsessed with being right instead of
[56:27] Speaker 3: getting it right. And wisdom gets it right. Being right,
[56:31] Speaker 3: it's this noun, and we're protective and defensive. But if
[56:35] Speaker 3: we're trying to get it right, one of the things
[56:38] Speaker 3: that we're going to be involved with is passing wisdom down.
[56:41] Speaker 3: We're going to do it in more of a humble
[56:42] Speaker 3: kind of way. And so I really want to advocate
[56:45] Speaker 3: for that.
[56:47] Speaker 1: If folks are interested in keeping updated with the progress
[56:52] Speaker 1: of your company and finding out more about you, what's
[56:55] Speaker 1: the best way that they can do so?
[56:57] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[56:57] Speaker 3: So I'm totally off grid with social media, but if
[57:02] Speaker 3: anyone wants to reach out, they want to hear more
[57:05] Speaker 3: about the clothing brand or they want to figure out
[57:10] Speaker 3: how to be a mentor or mentee, or they just
[57:13] Speaker 3: want to talk. Whoever wants you can email me my email,
[57:17] Speaker 3: Jerry with one R. So that's J E R Y
[57:21] Speaker 3: M C as in the first two letters of McKinney.
[57:24] Speaker 3: So Jerry MC and, At proton.me. And I'm sure he'll
[57:28] Speaker 3: put it in the description.
[57:31] Speaker 1: Excellent. Jerry, thank you so much. Definitely love to talk
[57:34] Speaker 1: more in the future. So much more we can get into.
[57:37] Speaker 1: And until next time, everyone, have a wonderful evening. We
[57:40] Speaker 1: will talk again tomorrow. See y'all then.
[57:44] Speaker 4: Hello, friends.
[57:45] Speaker 1: At some point in our journey. Today I want to
[57:47] Speaker 1: welcome Jeremy Ryan Slate. He is host of the Jeremy
[57:51] Speaker 1: Ryan Slate Show. He studied literature at Oxford University University.
[57:56] Speaker 1: and holds a master's in early Roman Empire propaganda. His
[58:00] Speaker 1: podcast was named number one podcast by INC Magazine, as
[58:05] Speaker 1: well as top 40 under 40 by Podcast Magazine.
[58:09] Speaker 2: Jeremy, welcome. How you doing?
[58:11] Speaker 4: Hey, man. Thanks for having me. I'm stoked to be here.
[58:15] Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming on, man. Looking forward to this.
[58:18] Speaker 1: Today, we're going to discuss the profound parallels between the
[58:22] Speaker 1: fall of the Roman Empire and and what we see
[58:25] Speaker 1: here occurring in the United States right now. And if
[58:29] Speaker 1: you haven't noticed these parallels, maybe you're under a rock,
[58:32] Speaker 1: maybe you're in a cave, but this information is definitely
[58:36] Speaker 1: essential right now. And as we look at what's unfolding,
[58:41] Speaker 1: it's not going to be an overnight process. This is
[58:44] Speaker 1: a slow roll agenda that we've been seeing unfold for
[58:47] Speaker 1: a very long time. But there's definite concern about the
[58:51] Speaker 1: overall direction that we've been headed in this country. So
[58:55] Speaker 1: there's a lot we can get into. Before we do, though,
[58:57] Speaker 1: this is your first time on. Tell us a little
[58:59] Speaker 1: bit more about yourself and what led you to look
[59:03] Speaker 1: into the parallels between the Roman Empire.
[59:08] Speaker 5: So I run a PR agency called command your brand
[59:11] Speaker 5: and we work with a lot of podcasts and new
[59:13] Speaker 5: medium been doing that for about 10 years I've also
[59:16] Speaker 5: run a show myself since 2014 we talked about politics
[59:19] Speaker 5: and culture and things that I feel matter most in
[59:22] Speaker 5: the world I live in Northwest Jersey we've got a
[59:24] Speaker 5: couple dozen chickens a very fat pig And my wife
[59:29] Speaker 5: and I also have three daughters. So I'm very happy
[59:32] Speaker 5: doing that. In terms of the Roman Empire, by the way,
[59:36] Speaker 5: my pig is almost like having a third dog.
[59:39] Speaker 4: It's a very interesting experience. He just kind of roams
[59:41] Speaker 4: around the property.
[59:42] Speaker 5: But for me, the Roman Empire, I arrived there in
[59:47] Speaker 5: a really weird way. In undergrad, I was absolutely obsessed
[59:51] Speaker 5: with Alexander the Great. So I've read every book you
[59:54] Speaker 5: could imagine about Alexander the Great. I actually have a
[59:56] Speaker 5: bust of Alexander the Great on my desk. I'm very
[1:00:00] Speaker 5: interested in everything about Alexander. So I read this one
[1:00:04] Speaker 5: really weird, obscure article by this Jesuit priest named Father
[1:00:09] Speaker 5: Cuthbert Laity. It was written around the turn of the
[1:00:10] Speaker 5: century called Augustus at Actium. So Actium is the final
[1:00:16] Speaker 5: battle of the Roman Civil War. And it's what leads
[1:00:18] Speaker 5: to Augustus, not right away, but eventually becoming the first emperor.
[1:00:23] Speaker 5: The thing he does is after winning the battle of Actium,
[1:00:25] Speaker 5: he actually goes to Alexandria, which is in Northern Egypt.
[1:00:28] Speaker 5: And he prays in front of the sarcophagus of Alexander
[1:00:31] Speaker 5: the Great.
[1:00:32] Speaker 4: And I'm like, that's really weird. Why is he doing that?
[1:00:35] Speaker 5: And the thing I actually ended up diving into is
[1:00:38] Speaker 5: if you look at a lot of the imagery and
[1:00:40] Speaker 5: things like that, that Augustus is going to use, it's
[1:00:43] Speaker 5: a lot of propaganda and things that he's learned from
[1:00:45] Speaker 5: Alexander because Alexander had actually convinced people he was divine
[1:00:49] Speaker 5: and had created a pretty strong worship cult of himself.
[1:00:53] Speaker 5: So for me, that really took me into studying the
[1:00:56] Speaker 5: worship of Roman emperors and things like that. And then
[1:00:59] Speaker 5: a few months ago, well, a few months ago, about
[1:01:01] Speaker 5: a year ago, this whole men thinking about the Roman
[1:01:03] Speaker 5: Empire trend started. And my wife actually noticed it. A
[1:01:06] Speaker 5: friend told her about it because I guess it happened
[1:01:08] Speaker 5: on TikTok, but I'm not on TikTok. So somebody else
[1:01:10] Speaker 5: told me about it. And she's like, honey, you're relevant now.
[1:01:14] Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm relevant now. So I've been talking about
[1:01:17] Speaker 5: the Roman Empire ever since because to me, I've always
[1:01:19] Speaker 5: seen the parallels. But I think for a lot of people,
[1:01:22] Speaker 5: It's not even that they don't see the parallels. It's
[1:01:24] Speaker 5: that they just have no idea anything about Rome, which
[1:01:27] Speaker 5: has been kind of the stranger part.
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: Now, speaking of seeing the parallels, how long have you
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: been aware of the level of deception that we've been
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: subjected to, especially here in the United States? I know
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: 2020 was a big eye-opener for lots of folks. I
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: had been into this since about 2012, looking at the
[1:01:48] Speaker 1: alternative history and some of the government corruption aspects, but
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: when did it really all come together for you?
[1:01:57] Speaker 5: Um, gosh, so now I'm trying to think about this. Um,
[1:02:01] Speaker 5: so I'm almost 40, but this is back in my
[1:02:02] Speaker 5: high school days. You look like 20 years old, dude.
[1:02:05] Speaker 4: I know, right, dude. I'm, I'm, I'm 38.
[1:02:08] Speaker 5: So like, I don't look like I'm the age I am, but, uh,
[1:02:10] Speaker 5: back in high school, I discovered Alex Jones and, uh,
[1:02:13] Speaker 5: that was the rabbit hole that takes you into the
[1:02:16] Speaker 5: rabbit hole. So I think the first, book I ended
[1:02:18] Speaker 5: up reading was Jim Mars. I ended up reading a
[1:02:21] Speaker 5: whole bunch of Jim Mars books. Then I got sucked
[1:02:24] Speaker 5: into Von Daniken and a whole bunch of other stuff.
[1:02:28] Speaker 5: It was an interesting road that brought me here, man.
[1:02:31] Speaker 1: When we look at our history, it's extremely difficult to
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: decipher the truth, especially with a lot of the information
[1:02:40] Speaker 1: that has come out over the past few years about
[1:02:43] Speaker 1: the propaganda we've been sold about our history and It's
[1:02:47] Speaker 1: very difficult to navigate some of this stuff. You look
[1:02:51] Speaker 1: back even 10 years before now, and it's difficult to
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: decipher what really happened because of who writes our history,
[1:03:02] Speaker 1: the powerful, the victors, much less looking back hundreds or
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: thousands of years ago. So how do you decipher through
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: this information and what really tells you that something is
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: accurate about our history.
[1:03:21] Speaker 5: I think that's the hard part too, because first of all,
[1:03:23] Speaker 5: you have to have a good understanding of cause and effect.
[1:03:25] Speaker 5: And I think oftentimes many people can't see a cause
[1:03:28] Speaker 5: and effect. They kind of believe the narrative of it.
[1:03:30] Speaker 5: And I think that's the hard part. But it's often
[1:03:34] Speaker 5: history leaves clues a lot of times. And I think
[1:03:35] Speaker 5: that's what you're missing. So like Emperor Caracalla, for example,
[1:03:39] Speaker 5: him and his brother Gaeta end up taking over together
[1:03:42] Speaker 5: to be co-emperors after their father Septimius Severus dies. But
[1:03:47] Speaker 5: they hate each other, and Caracalla is actually going to
[1:03:49] Speaker 5: have Gaeta killed and have any iconography or pictures or
[1:03:53] Speaker 5: anything of his brother destroyed. So it ends up being
[1:03:57] Speaker 5: very difficult to actually find out anything about this guy
[1:03:59] Speaker 5: Gaeta and who he was or that even existed. But
[1:04:02] Speaker 5: some information comes out of Egypt, and later on we
[1:04:04] Speaker 5: find out a little bit more about him. And I
[1:04:06] Speaker 5: think it's often coming about being a truth seeker and
[1:04:09] Speaker 5: looking for the different clues because many times pieces are
[1:04:12] Speaker 5: just removed from history or destroyed or whatever it might be,
[1:04:15] Speaker 5: and it's understanding that. But it's also, you have to
[1:04:17] Speaker 5: understand what perspective your history comes from. So one of
[1:04:21] Speaker 5: the most hotly debated things in history is what year
[1:04:23] Speaker 5: did Rome fall? The traditional date is said to be
[1:04:27] Speaker 5: 476 in the West, 476 AD. But if you look
[1:04:31] Speaker 5: at that time period, what has actually happened is kind
[1:04:34] Speaker 5: of your last 50 years of emperors are child emperors
[1:04:37] Speaker 5: and emperors in name only run by barbarian kings. So
[1:04:40] Speaker 5: in 476, this general, Odoacer, retires the final Roman emperor,
[1:04:47] Speaker 5: And it's not that the empire falls, it kind of
[1:04:50] Speaker 5: just fades out and becomes a Roman kingdom. But if
[1:04:52] Speaker 5: you read a lot of the history, which comes from
[1:04:54] Speaker 5: the East, the emperor Justinian comes in with a military
[1:04:57] Speaker 5: force to try and reconquer it and bring it back
[1:04:59] Speaker 5: into the Roman empire. So of course, they're going to
[1:05:01] Speaker 5: tell you about the fall of the Roman empire because
[1:05:03] Speaker 5: it would make them look bad to say like, well,
[1:05:05] Speaker 5: to save the thing, we had to destroy it. And
[1:05:07] Speaker 5: I think that's often the problem is you have to
[1:05:09] Speaker 5: understand the sources you're reading what would they want.
[1:05:14] Speaker 4: It to have seen happen? Or what would they have
[1:05:16] Speaker 4: cared about?
[1:05:16] Speaker 5: I think that can be one of the really difficult
[1:05:18] Speaker 5: things when you're looking at history and understanding where did
[1:05:20] Speaker 5: it come from.
[1:05:21] Speaker 3: Right on.
[1:05:22] Speaker 1: Now I want to look at some of the most
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: profound parallels that you see between the fall of the
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: Roman Empire and what's unfolding right now. Before we get
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: too deep into that, what is your understanding of the
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: overall big picture of what we're experiencing now I know
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: there's multiple different levels, technocratic power level, the one world
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: government aspects, this overall further suppression of freedom, especially here
[1:05:54] Speaker 1: in the United States, no matter what direction we're headed.
[1:05:59] Speaker 1: But what do you see as some of the reasons
[1:06:03] Speaker 1: why we are in the current situation that we are?
[1:06:09] Speaker 4: Man, how much time you got?
[1:06:11] Speaker 5: Because I feel like that's a much longer conversation, right?
[1:06:15] Speaker 5: Because I think like you can see the Roman aspects
[1:06:18] Speaker 5: and how those matter. But I think at the same time,
[1:06:20] Speaker 5: you kind of have to have a bigger understanding of
[1:06:22] Speaker 5: the world we live in, right? It's because there's so
[1:06:25] Speaker 5: many different things going on at once. Like you have,
[1:06:28] Speaker 5: you know, kind of the World Economic Forum side of things.
[1:06:30] Speaker 5: You kind of have, you know, the Chinese communist side
[1:06:33] Speaker 5: of things. And what it seems like to me is
[1:06:37] Speaker 5: there's a whole bunch of groups supporting each other until
[1:06:40] Speaker 5: they kind of destroy the power structures, and then they're
[1:06:42] Speaker 5: going to fight amongst each other for who actually gets
[1:06:43] Speaker 5: to be the one in control.
[1:06:44] Speaker 4: Do you get what I'm saying?
[1:06:46] Speaker 5: I feel like there's a much, much bigger thing at
[1:06:49] Speaker 5: play here, and I don't think, you know, you get
[1:06:53] Speaker 5: strange bedfellows where you see a lot of these groups
[1:06:55] Speaker 5: working together, but I think eventually when they've destroyed U.S. power,
[1:07:00] Speaker 5: destroyed Western power, they're going to fight amongst themselves for
[1:07:02] Speaker 5: who's in control. It goes pretty deep, man.
[1:07:05] Speaker 2: Do you think it's an intentional, long.
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: game plan, multi-generational agenda that has been at play that
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: is being passed down?
[1:07:17] Speaker 5: I think that here's the problem is I think bad
[1:07:21] Speaker 5: people are pulled to politics because they love corruption and power.
[1:07:23] Speaker 5: And I think that's one part of it. But then
[1:07:25] Speaker 5: you also have to ask the question of who are
[1:07:27] Speaker 5: the money and the people behind those people, right? Because
[1:07:29] Speaker 5: often who you're seeing are the puppets. And I think
[1:07:31] Speaker 5: that's another thing to understand. But if you look at
[1:07:33] Speaker 5: kind of post-Civil War and even the progressive era is
[1:07:38] Speaker 5: a lot of what destroyed what America has even been.
[1:07:40] Speaker 5: And that's why when people talk about Rome, they're often
[1:07:44] Speaker 5: talking about the fall of the Roman Republic. And I
[1:07:46] Speaker 5: think while you see some of those things happening on
[1:07:48] Speaker 5: the world stage, and you see those happening on the
[1:07:51] Speaker 5: global stage, to me, we haven't been a republic in
[1:07:55] Speaker 5: a very long time, right?
[1:07:56] Speaker 4: If you look at the pivotal year of 1913, right?
[1:07:57] Speaker 4: You have the.
[1:08:01] Speaker 5: 17th Amendment passes, so the state legislatures no longer have representation.
[1:08:05] Speaker 5: Would have helped us a lot during 2020, right, because
[1:08:08] Speaker 5: that was where the election went. You look at the
[1:08:11] Speaker 5: Income Tax Amendment passes, so you're no longer keeping all
[1:08:13] Speaker 5: your income. They tried another income tax, another smaller one
[1:08:17] Speaker 5: briefly after the Civil War, but it's very short-lived.
[1:08:19] Speaker 4: But then you have the.
[1:08:22] Speaker 5: Federal Reserve Act, which passes over the Christmas holiday and
[1:08:25] Speaker 5: then becomes law from 1913 into 1914. So really, America
[1:08:30] Speaker 5: as a functional republic, in my opinion, ceased to be
[1:08:33] Speaker 5: in 1913. So I feel like this has been a
[1:08:35] Speaker 5: long term thing of how we got here. And a
[1:08:38] Speaker 5: lot of it comes down to money, interest and bankers
[1:08:40] Speaker 5: and kind of the people that are controlling things. Because
[1:08:43] Speaker 5: if you even look at the Second World War, on
[1:08:46] Speaker 5: the Second World War, the bankers and the military industrial
[1:08:50] Speaker 5: complex were funding both sides.
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: Why?
[1:08:52] Speaker 4: Because they make money.
[1:08:52] Speaker 5: And I think that's what it comes down to is
[1:08:54] Speaker 5: there's a larger interest behind a lot of this stuff.
[1:08:57] Speaker 5: and the fact that our politicians love corruption just feed.
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: It where should we start when looking at the parallels
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: of the fall of the roman empire.
[1:09:08] Speaker 5: Well i think often um you know edward gibbon who
[1:09:11] Speaker 5: wrote decline and fall of the roman empire it's like
[1:09:14] Speaker 5: the most famous book written on it and He cites
[1:09:17] Speaker 5: around 200 different sources of why the Roman Empire fell.
[1:09:20] Speaker 5: But I think if you want to break it down,
[1:09:21] Speaker 5: there's really just two. And those two could be seen
[1:09:24] Speaker 5: as inflation and out of control immigration.
[1:09:28] Speaker 4: And if you want to look at kind.
[1:09:29] Speaker 5: Of when that starts to happen, it starts to happen
[1:09:33] Speaker 5: right after the son of Marcus Aurelius, who's Commodus. Commodus
[1:09:37] Speaker 5: is not really interested in being emperor. He's just kind
[1:09:40] Speaker 5: of a spoiled adult child.
[1:09:42] Speaker 4: He would rather be.
[1:09:42] Speaker 5: A gladiator and he'd rather fight in the arena. And
[1:09:45] Speaker 5: he spends a lot of money in order to keep
[1:09:47] Speaker 5: the populace happy. So he's often wasting money on social programs.
[1:09:52] Speaker 5: So if you want to look at kind of where
[1:09:54] Speaker 5: we go from there, it's not the actual start of
[1:09:57] Speaker 5: the crisis of the third century, but it kind of
[1:09:59] Speaker 5: starts the domino effect that's going to cause the third
[1:10:02] Speaker 5: century crisis. So in the third century, you have a
[1:10:06] Speaker 5: series of weak rulers that are going to lead to
[1:10:08] Speaker 5: what's called the crisis of the third century, which starts
[1:10:10] Speaker 5: around the 230s AD and is going to go around
[1:10:13] Speaker 5: to really If you want to pull it out to 280,
[1:10:17] Speaker 5: you could do that. But what ends up happening is
[1:10:19] Speaker 5: in order to be emperor, it's the one who raises
[1:10:23] Speaker 5: the biggest army that could be emperor. So you basically
[1:10:25] Speaker 5: have armies declaring their general to be emperor. So you
[1:10:28] Speaker 5: have somewhere between 40 and 50 guys in a 100-year
[1:10:31] Speaker 5: period claiming to be emperor, and they would raise an
[1:10:33] Speaker 5: army and fight each other. Now, there's two problems this
[1:10:37] Speaker 5: is going to cause. And this gets back to our
[1:10:39] Speaker 5: inflation and immigration argument. In the 160s AD, there's what's
[1:10:43] Speaker 5: called the Antonine Plague, where about 10% of the empire dies.
[1:10:47] Speaker 4: So there's a lack of military men.
[1:10:49] Speaker 5: This is now made worse by the fact that these
[1:10:53] Speaker 5: generals are raising armies and declaring themselves emperors, so they
[1:10:56] Speaker 5: need people to fight.
[1:10:57] Speaker 4: So what do they do?
[1:10:58] Speaker 5: They start bringing in barbarian tribes to fight in the
[1:11:00] Speaker 5: Roman military. Now, they had always fought in the military
[1:11:03] Speaker 5: to some extent, but never directly in the legions. They
[1:11:06] Speaker 5: always fought in something called the Roman Auxiliary. So you
[1:11:09] Speaker 5: are bringing in people that aren't Roman to fight in
[1:11:11] Speaker 5: the Roman army, and they're bringing their families with them
[1:11:13] Speaker 5: to bring them into Roman territory. So you start to
[1:11:15] Speaker 5: have this immigration issue happening. Now, if you are controlling
[1:11:21] Speaker 5: people by might, well, how do you control those people?
[1:11:23] Speaker 5: You control them by money. So whoever could pay their
[1:11:25] Speaker 5: military the most was going to have the best military
[1:11:29] Speaker 5: behind them. So what do they start to do? They
[1:11:31] Speaker 5: start to actually add other metals to the currency and
[1:11:35] Speaker 5: devalue it. So it could be copper, tin, other things
[1:11:38] Speaker 5: that are going to decrease the value of the currency.
[1:11:41] Speaker 5: So by 270, the silver coin is actually just bronze.
[1:11:45] Speaker 5: There's no silver in that coin. So this is the
[1:11:48] Speaker 5: problem you get is by 284, we have 15,000% inflation.
[1:11:52] Speaker 5: And we have millions of people that have come into
[1:11:55] Speaker 5: Rome that aren't Roman. And this is the problem you're
[1:11:58] Speaker 5: really dealing with.
[1:11:59] Speaker 1: Right on. Now, you also talk about the tactics that
[1:12:05] Speaker 1: were used by Augustus that created this basic cult and
[1:12:10] Speaker 1: cult following, and you compare it to modern social media influencers, politicians, celebrities.
[1:12:18] Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about that.
[1:12:21] Speaker 5: Well, if you want to look at it, one of
[1:12:22] Speaker 5: the biggest things that Augustus does when he becomes not
[1:12:26] Speaker 5: even emperor, he becomes this word called princeps, prince or
[1:12:30] Speaker 5: first citizen, because Romans didn't like the idea of kingships.
[1:12:32] Speaker 5: They wouldn't like anything that signified kingship. The word emperor
[1:12:36] Speaker 5: actually comes from a military commander, imperator.
[1:12:40] Speaker 4: It's borrowed later on. But a lot of what.
[1:12:43] Speaker 5: He does initially is symbolism is very, very, very important
[1:12:47] Speaker 5: to him. So he is one of the first ones
[1:12:49] Speaker 5: to start minting all the coins in the empire with
[1:12:51] Speaker 5: his face on them. And it's important because when people
[1:12:55] Speaker 5: use money, they see your face, right? And all of
[1:12:59] Speaker 5: the statues of himself... are only at about the ages
[1:13:02] Speaker 5: of 30 to 40, you know, though he, in his
[1:13:04] Speaker 5: old age, he's not going to look like he's been
[1:13:06] Speaker 5: doing very well. So people are going to have this
[1:13:08] Speaker 5: idea of who he is and he's positioned like an influencer, right?
[1:13:11] Speaker 5: Because if you look at a lot of our influencers,
[1:13:13] Speaker 5: they've become kind of our like gods among men, unreachable people,
[1:13:17] Speaker 5: you know, whether it's because they have a blue check
[1:13:18] Speaker 5: mark or because, um, that they.
[1:13:21] Speaker 4: Seem to always be beautiful and not age.
[1:13:22] Speaker 5: It's a very similar thing where we basically take in
[1:13:25] Speaker 5: these people and And we've deified them in a way.
[1:13:28] Speaker 5: We've made them gods and made them unreachable people. That
[1:13:31] Speaker 5: is exactly what Augustus did. It's a very similar concept
[1:13:34] Speaker 5: to how you control people. Because if this person doesn't
[1:13:37] Speaker 5: age and everything we do has to do with this person, well,
[1:13:41] Speaker 5: this person is now controlling our thoughts and actions. And
[1:13:44] Speaker 5: I think that's what you started to see. And even
[1:13:46] Speaker 5: how people act when doing certain things on social media.
[1:13:49] Speaker 5: You know, they curate a certain image. They curate a
[1:13:51] Speaker 5: certain look. They curate a certain feel. And that is
[1:13:54] Speaker 5: what people are doing, is they're trying to recreate this
[1:13:57] Speaker 5: almost human divinity, in a way, you could say.
[1:14:00] Speaker 1: And when we look at both sides of the political spectrum,
[1:14:05] Speaker 1: it has become so ridiculous and theatrical that it's hard
[1:14:10] Speaker 1: to ignore the things that don't fit into place, some
[1:14:16] Speaker 1: of the narratives that don't make sense. And some of
[1:14:19] Speaker 1: the things that you're seeing with your own eyes that
[1:14:22] Speaker 1: they're trying to present one way, that comes out another.
[1:14:25] Speaker 1: So it seems like at the highest levels, either a
[1:14:29] Speaker 1: lot of narratives are falling apart or they just don't
[1:14:32] Speaker 1: care anymore. But the level of theater has gotten insane
[1:14:37] Speaker 1: to me. We're presented with extremes on both sides. Especially
[1:14:42] Speaker 1: this time around, to me, has gotten over the top.
[1:14:45] Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
[1:14:47] Speaker 5: Well, I think I think education plays a big part
[1:14:49] Speaker 5: in this, though, too, because in the conversations I've been
[1:14:52] Speaker 5: having about the Roman Empire for the past year, the
[1:14:53] Speaker 5: thing that surprises me is not that people just have
[1:14:56] Speaker 5: the wrong ideas, but that most people don't know anything
[1:14:59] Speaker 5: about it. That's been the more surprising thing is I
[1:15:02] Speaker 5: feel like people have very little.
[1:15:04] Speaker 4: Knowledge about it.
[1:15:05] Speaker 5: And this goes back to our education system, like our
[1:15:06] Speaker 5: literacy rate, though they want to prop it up.
[1:15:09] Speaker 4: It's dropping. Right.
[1:15:10] Speaker 5: If you look at when education changed dramatically, it changed
[1:15:13] Speaker 5: in the time of the Industrial Revolution, because what are
[1:15:15] Speaker 5: they trying to create? They're trying to create soldiers and
[1:15:17] Speaker 5: factory workers. And that's exactly what they've done. They've created
[1:15:20] Speaker 5: people that cannot differentiate between the narratives that they're being given.
[1:15:24] Speaker 4: And those people are much, much easier to control. And
[1:15:26] Speaker 4: I think that's why AI.
[1:15:27] Speaker 5: Isn't scary from even the perspective of like creating Skynet
[1:15:32] Speaker 5: or something.
[1:15:33] Speaker 4: It's actually scary to me from the perspective of losing literacy.
[1:15:35] Speaker 5: Because I think that's the road we're going down is
[1:15:38] Speaker 5: we have people that, you know, they haven't read a lot.
[1:15:41] Speaker 5: They don't have an ability to differentiate. They aren't aware
[1:15:43] Speaker 5: of how these things have happened in history. And those
[1:15:46] Speaker 5: type of people are very easy to control. And we're
[1:15:48] Speaker 5: just being let off like lambs.
[1:15:51] Speaker 1: Just from my perspective, it seems like something has changed
[1:15:54] Speaker 1: since 2020. And a lot more people are seeing through
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: the propaganda, which I think is a really excellent thing.
[1:16:02] Speaker 5: Well, I think people have been abused enough where they've
[1:16:05] Speaker 5: gotten to the point where they're like, well, this doesn't
[1:16:07] Speaker 5: make sense to me. And I think I think, honestly,
[1:16:10] Speaker 5: whether you like Trump or don't like Trump, I think
[1:16:12] Speaker 5: if you kind of look at how the political spectrum
[1:16:14] Speaker 5: has gotten all out of whack, it's so interesting because
[1:16:18] Speaker 5: it's kind of like the left has gone so far
[1:16:21] Speaker 5: left that anything to the right of them is far right. Where,
[1:16:25] Speaker 5: for the most part, if you look at Trump on
[1:16:27] Speaker 5: the political spectrum, he's a moderate in the 1980s. But
[1:16:31] Speaker 5: things have gotten so out of whack, and I think
[1:16:33] Speaker 5: a lot of people woken up then are like, this
[1:16:34] Speaker 5: doesn't make sense to me.
[1:16:36] Speaker 4: Right, right.
[1:16:36] Speaker 1: Now, in one of your talking points here, you say
[1:16:38] Speaker 1: that the media likes to claim that Donald Trump is
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: Julius Caesar, the next Julius Caesar. But based on your research,
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: there was already an American Caesar over 100 years ago.
[1:16:52] Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about that.
[1:16:55] Speaker 5: Well, so I think you have to consider that Julius
[1:16:57] Speaker 5: Caesar in history is kind of the person that ends
[1:17:00] Speaker 5: the previous thing. And Augustus is the person that begins
[1:17:03] Speaker 5: the new thing. So in my opinion, you could look
[1:17:05] Speaker 5: at somebody like a Woodrow Wilson. as being more of
[1:17:08] Speaker 5: your Caesar type character because of, you know, if, if
[1:17:11] Speaker 5: you look at how close mouth he wanted to keep
[1:17:14] Speaker 5: people during the first world war, it is wild. Like,
[1:17:17] Speaker 5: like it was the alien citizen acts that came out
[1:17:19] Speaker 5: under him. So he was a rough individual and a
[1:17:23] Speaker 5: lot of what America was, you know, you could make
[1:17:26] Speaker 5: a case for it after the civil war, but right after,
[1:17:27] Speaker 5: but during the progressive era, it destroys what America is,
[1:17:31] Speaker 5: and then FDR kind of creates this next thing or
[1:17:33] Speaker 5: the new thing, which is very interesting because a lot
[1:17:36] Speaker 5: of the social programs we do, those come out of
[1:17:38] Speaker 5: FDR's time. And I think the problem is people don't
[1:17:42] Speaker 5: fully understand Caesar and who he is. And if you
[1:17:45] Speaker 5: look at Caesar historically, his entire career, the guy is broke.
[1:17:52] Speaker 5: He would have been a patrician or a rich person
[1:17:56] Speaker 5: by class, but he didn't really have any money because
[1:17:58] Speaker 5: his family... His father had kind of bankrupted the family.
[1:18:01] Speaker 5: So his entire career, he's borrowing money in order to
[1:18:05] Speaker 5: compete in the political sphere. And in 59 BC, he's
[1:18:10] Speaker 5: what's called consul. Consul was kind of like being president,
[1:18:12] Speaker 5: but they would have two of them at once because
[1:18:14] Speaker 5: they didn't want one man to hold power. So you
[1:18:17] Speaker 5: would have two guys that would hold the consulship as colleagues.
[1:18:21] Speaker 5: So his colleague is a guy named Marcus Biblius. And
[1:18:24] Speaker 5: Marcus Biblius is a front man for one of Caesar's
[1:18:27] Speaker 5: biggest enemies, this guy named Cato the Younger. And what
[1:18:31] Speaker 5: ends up happening is there's these two political factions in Rome.
[1:18:36] Speaker 5: There's the optimates, or the great ones, and those are
[1:18:39] Speaker 5: kind of your rich, wealthy people of the Senate, and
[1:18:42] Speaker 5: the populares. So you could compare them to your modern populace,
[1:18:45] Speaker 5: people doing things for the people. And Caesar, one of
[1:18:48] Speaker 5: his first major reforms he wants to do is land reforms,
[1:18:51] Speaker 5: because a lot of public lands had been taken by
[1:18:55] Speaker 5: these wealthy individuals and turned into farms for their own profit,
[1:18:59] Speaker 5: even though they're supposed to be public land. So Caesar
[1:19:02] Speaker 5: wants to take these lands and and give them to
[1:19:05] Speaker 5: troops as a pension when they get back from war,
[1:19:07] Speaker 5: because for a lot of them, after war, they don't
[1:19:08] Speaker 5: serve a purpose and they're kind of beat up. His colleague, Biblius,
[1:19:13] Speaker 5: doesn't want this to happen. So what Caesar ends up
[1:19:16] Speaker 5: doing is taking the vote directly to the people. And
[1:19:19] Speaker 5: the people actually chase Biblius into his home, and he
[1:19:21] Speaker 5: doesn't come out of his home for an entire year.
[1:19:24] Speaker 5: So they end up calling it the consulship of Julius
[1:19:26] Speaker 5: and Caesar rather than the consulship of Caesar and Biblius,
[1:19:30] Speaker 5: which is what it would have been called historically. So
[1:19:33] Speaker 5: He's consul for a year, then he goes for nine
[1:19:35] Speaker 5: years to serve as a general in Gaul and basically
[1:19:38] Speaker 5: in large Roman territory. This was called a proconsulship, basically
[1:19:44] Speaker 5: being a consul outside of Rome. When he is on
[1:19:47] Speaker 5: his way back to the city, he finds out through
[1:19:49] Speaker 5: the grapevine that his enemy Cato wants to bring him
[1:19:52] Speaker 5: up on corruption charges for his time as proconsul and
[1:19:55] Speaker 5: his time as consul. He ends up bringing his 10
[1:20:00] Speaker 5: legions through the.
[1:20:01] Speaker 4: North of Italy. He gets to a river called the Rubicon, leaves.
[1:20:04] Speaker 5: Nine of those legions there, takes one of them across
[1:20:07] Speaker 5: the Rubicon, and all of his enemies actually flee the
[1:20:10] Speaker 5: city of Rome and just give him the city. So
[1:20:12] Speaker 5: that ends up being how Caesar ends up taking powers.
[1:20:14] Speaker 5: Everybody just runs away. So now he'll spend the next
[1:20:17] Speaker 5: several years chasing those people across Europe and Asia and, um, Biblius,
[1:20:23] Speaker 5: or not Biblius, uh, Cato and some of the other
[1:20:26] Speaker 5: guys are actually going to commit suicide. And then Pompey
[1:20:28] Speaker 5: the Great is going to be killed by the Ptolemaic
[1:20:30] Speaker 5: king in Egypt. So that's how Caesar gets into power. Now,
[1:20:34] Speaker 5: the thing you have to understand about Trump, Trump may
[1:20:38] Speaker 5: not have agreed with the terms of the last election,
[1:20:41] Speaker 5: but he's not in office anymore. Caesar never relinquished power,
[1:20:44] Speaker 5: and he used a military force in order to do that.
[1:20:46] Speaker 5: So I think to compare him to someone like that
[1:20:49] Speaker 5: when we haven't been a republic in a very long
[1:20:50] Speaker 5: time is just a very difficult thing to do.
[1:20:53] Speaker 1: Let's get a little deeper into some of the propaganda
[1:20:57] Speaker 1: used at the time, social engineering, culture creation, and the
[1:21:01] Speaker 1: parallels to what we're seeing now.
[1:21:04] Speaker 4: So the biggest one is money.
[1:21:06] Speaker 5: And this goes back to what we were talking about earlier,
[1:21:08] Speaker 5: because money is something you use every single day. So
[1:21:11] Speaker 5: you could look at a coin and a weak emperor
[1:21:14] Speaker 5: typically would put verbiage or the picture of Rome's founder, Romulus,
[1:21:20] Speaker 5: or its first emperor, Augustus, to try and make himself
[1:21:23] Speaker 5: look stronger. And oftentimes that was not going to be
[1:21:27] Speaker 5: very effective, but it was a propaganda thing because people
[1:21:30] Speaker 5: use money every single day. So now they're, they're getting
[1:21:33] Speaker 5: comfortable with you. So you see that you also see it's,
[1:21:38] Speaker 5: it's interesting because they're kind of like secular polytheists, if
[1:21:42] Speaker 5: this makes sense, because Romans would use the gods when
[1:21:45] Speaker 5: it was useful to them and they would ignore the
[1:21:47] Speaker 5: gods when it wasn't useful to them. So another thing is, um,
[1:21:52] Speaker 5: the idea of augury or bird signs. So the word
[1:21:55] Speaker 5: inauguration that we use when someone takes office actually comes
[1:21:58] Speaker 5: from the word augury. Augurs were people that would look
[1:22:01] Speaker 5: at bird signs and tell you what they meant. So
[1:22:03] Speaker 5: if they wanted to make a big decision, they would say, okay, well,
[1:22:05] Speaker 5: let's see what the birds think. Well, oftentimes it would
[1:22:08] Speaker 5: have to be, what did the augur want to read
[1:22:10] Speaker 5: from the birds? And they would have to understand what
[1:22:12] Speaker 5: they would be getting. Another thing they would do is
[1:22:15] Speaker 5: to look at the liver of animals and understand, you know,
[1:22:18] Speaker 5: what is that thing telling us? So you can actually
[1:22:20] Speaker 5: look online and there's maps of the different parts of
[1:22:23] Speaker 5: the liver and what they would look at to tell
[1:22:25] Speaker 5: them what that meant. And maybe they didn't like the
[1:22:28] Speaker 5: first liver, so they'd go kill another animal and look
[1:22:30] Speaker 5: at that liver. So that's a really interesting concept as well.
[1:22:34] Speaker 5: There's a big climate change in the second half of
[1:22:39] Speaker 5: the third century and The emperor thinks the way he's
[1:22:42] Speaker 5: going to fix this is by making everyone sacrifice to
[1:22:44] Speaker 5: the gods again, because he thinks they're getting too far
[1:22:46] Speaker 5: away from it. So this is another way to get
[1:22:49] Speaker 5: in control, which to me sounds very similar to a
[1:22:51] Speaker 5: lot of the climate cult stuff you're dealing with nowadays.
[1:22:55] Speaker 5: But these are a lot of different propaganda tools that
[1:22:57] Speaker 5: are used, as well as you have to consider what
[1:23:01] Speaker 5: a big part of Roman life things.
[1:23:02] Speaker 4: Like chariot races and gladiator games were.
[1:23:05] Speaker 5: Culturally, they'd always been a big part of people's lives,
[1:23:09] Speaker 5: but they get even bigger after about 79 AD, when
[1:23:15] Speaker 5: Vespasian builds what you know is the Colosseum, but it
[1:23:18] Speaker 5: was originally called the Flavian Amphitheater. So now the actual
[1:23:21] Speaker 5: size of these fights gets so much larger and it
[1:23:23] Speaker 5: attracts people in. And for a lot of them, they're
[1:23:26] Speaker 5: betting at an extraordinary level on these games. So now
[1:23:29] Speaker 5: they're tied in, not just in the distraction of it,
[1:23:33] Speaker 5: but also of taking their hard-earned money and betting on
[1:23:35] Speaker 5: these games. So it's pretty extreme, the level people get to,
[1:23:38] Speaker 5: and it can kind of show you why the money
[1:23:41] Speaker 5: class were able to continue controlling like they were.
[1:23:43] Speaker 1: Now there's many that speculate that throughout history, our ruling
[1:23:48] Speaker 1: class has been from similar or even the same bloodlines
[1:23:53] Speaker 1: as in our ancient past. Is there anything that you've
[1:23:57] Speaker 1: looked into that could indicate any of this?
[1:24:01] Speaker 5: I think it's possible because you even look at like
[1:24:03] Speaker 5: how many of our presidents are related to each other,
[1:24:05] Speaker 5: which is, which is kind of weird. What did they,
[1:24:08] Speaker 5: if you go back a certain amount, isn't it Obama
[1:24:09] Speaker 5: and George W. Bush are actually related to each other,
[1:24:12] Speaker 5: which is kind of creepy. So I'm sure, because if
[1:24:15] Speaker 5: you look at a lot of these people that have
[1:24:17] Speaker 5: been in a lot of these political positions, families hold
[1:24:19] Speaker 5: power for a really long time. You look at in
[1:24:21] Speaker 5: the UK, in the UK, there's a lot of, I think,
[1:24:23] Speaker 5: what is there like 12 banking families in there that
[1:24:26] Speaker 5: still hold a lot of the power and have for
[1:24:27] Speaker 5: hundreds of years. So I think to say that that
[1:24:31] Speaker 5: doesn't happen is to not have an understanding of history.
[1:24:35] Speaker 5: But I don't offhand, I don't know any direct ties from,
[1:24:38] Speaker 5: I would say, the Roman Empire to there, just because
[1:24:41] Speaker 5: of how dramatically things change at the end. I know
[1:24:44] Speaker 5: you kind of see in around the 800, there's this
[1:24:47] Speaker 5: attempt to revive the whole thing by the Pope creating
[1:24:51] Speaker 5: the Holy Roman Empire. But it really would have been
[1:24:55] Speaker 5: confusing even to the Eastern Roman Empire that was still
[1:24:58] Speaker 5: in existence in Constantinople, because they would have called themselves
[1:25:01] Speaker 5: Romans too.
[1:25:02] Speaker 4: So it just.
[1:25:04] Speaker 5: They try to tie themselves to that lineage, but I
[1:25:06] Speaker 5: don't know any direct descendant lines.
[1:25:08] Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the parallels that we're
[1:25:12] Speaker 1: seeing now with the immigration crisis and some of the
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: tactics that were used by the Roman Empire.
[1:25:21] Speaker 5: Well, the big one that happens is, as I've mentioned,
[1:25:26] Speaker 5: they need more people to fight in the army, which
[1:25:28] Speaker 5: is a really, really big part of it.
[1:25:29] Speaker 4: But also as well....
[1:25:32] Speaker 5: Roman emperors after Tiberius, who was the second one, they
[1:25:36] Speaker 5: spend a lot of money. So they're often bankrupting the treasury.
[1:25:41] Speaker 5: And in 117 AD, under Emperor Trajan, Roman expansion stops.
[1:25:47] Speaker 5: They actually make a decision that we're no longer going
[1:25:49] Speaker 5: to conquer other people and we're just going to hold
[1:25:52] Speaker 5: the territory we have. The problem with that is that's
[1:25:55] Speaker 5: how new wealth came into Rome and that's how it
[1:25:57] Speaker 5: continued to grow. So once that stops, you're cutting off
[1:26:00] Speaker 5: a big part of your money supply. Now, as you
[1:26:05] Speaker 5: go into 212, now we've went almost 100 years in
[1:26:08] Speaker 5: the future, there's a real need for tax money. And
[1:26:13] Speaker 5: Emperor Caracalla is going to take about 30 million people
[1:26:17] Speaker 5: overnight via an edict and make them citizens. But they're
[1:26:21] Speaker 5: given citizenship without the vote as opposed to citizenship.
[1:26:25] Speaker 4: With the vote.
[1:26:26] Speaker 5: And Now, you've enlarged citizenship an exorbitant amount, but the
[1:26:33] Speaker 5: thing people don't often consider is Rome had a lot
[1:26:35] Speaker 5: of social programs. The biggest one of those is what's
[1:26:38] Speaker 5: called the grain dole. So there would be a certain
[1:26:41] Speaker 5: amount of grain that the Roman government would purchase and
[1:26:43] Speaker 5: give to every citizen. So now by becoming a citizen,
[1:26:48] Speaker 5: it's not just that they tax you, they now also
[1:26:50] Speaker 5: have to feed you. And as I mentioned with climate
[1:26:53] Speaker 5: change happening a lot in the second half of the century,
[1:26:56] Speaker 5: So I think people hear climate change and it's this
[1:26:58] Speaker 5: new term that gets used. Climate goes through cycles and
[1:27:00] Speaker 5: it warms and cools and everything else. So the climate
[1:27:03] Speaker 5: changes in the second half of the third century and
[1:27:07] Speaker 5: grain prices start to skyrocket, double and triple, whatever it
[1:27:11] Speaker 5: might be. For Romans, a lot of their grain would
[1:27:13] Speaker 5: be coming from Egypt. The Nile River would flood every
[1:27:16] Speaker 5: year and that flood would leave the soil around it
[1:27:18] Speaker 5: very rich and great for growing grain. But as the
[1:27:21] Speaker 5: Nile River stops flooding every year and starts flooding every
[1:27:24] Speaker 5: few years, and then after that, you know, not often
[1:27:26] Speaker 5: at all, the supply of grain is a lot harder
[1:27:29] Speaker 5: to get and becomes more expensive. So you now have
[1:27:32] Speaker 5: people that are citizens that you are now draining the
[1:27:36] Speaker 5: treasury to feed them as prices are doubling and tripling.
[1:27:39] Speaker 5: And then you have these generals fighting each other that
[1:27:41] Speaker 5: need more soldiers. Well, how do you get more soldiers?
[1:27:43] Speaker 5: You bring in, you know, barbarians off the provinces. So
[1:27:47] Speaker 5: you're expanding what it means to be an empire and
[1:27:50] Speaker 5: you're expanding people you have to feed and house and
[1:27:52] Speaker 5: clothes and everything else. And it gets a little out
[1:27:55] Speaker 5: of control. And the thing I look at now is,
[1:27:58] Speaker 5: you know, though immigration by the end of the third
[1:28:01] Speaker 5: century is a lot higher.
[1:28:02] Speaker 4: I think in the past three years, we've had.
[1:28:05] Speaker 5: Almost 8 million people come across our southern border, which
[1:28:07] Speaker 5: is it's wild to consider that. And I don't think
[1:28:11] Speaker 5: people truly consider. what that does to the welfare state
[1:28:15] Speaker 5: and what attacks that is in the welfare state. It's
[1:28:17] Speaker 5: very similar to like a Cloward and Piven strategy of
[1:28:21] Speaker 5: overwhelming the welfare state, and that's what can crash a country.
[1:28:24] Speaker 1: And on top of that, I'm sure there is some
[1:28:29] Speaker 1: intentional targeting with some of this flooding of the immigration
[1:28:36] Speaker 1: demographics of people that are being let in.
[1:28:40] Speaker 2: Into some of these countries well because i.
[1:28:42] Speaker 5: Think we've been told to to think that you know
[1:28:44] Speaker 5: being nationalist or having a culture is a bad thing
[1:28:47] Speaker 5: but that's what makes us a country man like borders
[1:28:49] Speaker 5: currency and culture make you a country and i think
[1:28:52] Speaker 5: for some reason i don't know if it's you know,
[1:28:55] Speaker 5: a communist ideal or whatever it is, but we've been
[1:28:58] Speaker 5: told that these things are bad things and they're dirty words,
[1:29:01] Speaker 5: but that's actually what makes countries countries.
[1:29:03] Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Rome's third century crisis
[1:29:09] Speaker 1: and how it relates to this year, what we're seeing.
[1:29:15] Speaker 5: So I would say right now we're somewhere in the
[1:29:17] Speaker 5: beginning of that, because if you look at the third
[1:29:20] Speaker 5: century crisis, what ends up happening is this goes back
[1:29:22] Speaker 5: to the idea of these generals raising an army and
[1:29:26] Speaker 5: declaring themselves emperor and fighting each other. I would say
[1:29:31] Speaker 5: we're somewhere towards the beginning of this because by 284 AD,
[1:29:34] Speaker 5: they're at 15,000% inflation. We're nowhere near that yet, but
[1:29:39] Speaker 5: it's getting fast. And I think that if you could
[1:29:41] Speaker 5: consider Romans could make money in a computer like we could, well,
[1:29:45] Speaker 5: it would get worse even fast, even faster. But you
[1:29:48] Speaker 5: have this idea of all the immigrants coming across the
[1:29:52] Speaker 5: border and And then you also have the money be inflated.
[1:29:54] Speaker 5: As I mentioned, they're adding other metals to the money,
[1:29:57] Speaker 5: whether it be copper, tin, whatever it might be.
[1:29:59] Speaker 4: So the value of money is going down.
[1:30:02] Speaker 5: In the 280s, you have a reforming emperor come into
[1:30:05] Speaker 5: place named Diocletian. And he tries to do a few
[1:30:08] Speaker 5: things in order to fix that. The first being offering
[1:30:11] Speaker 5: a new silver coin, which people don't trust it because
[1:30:14] Speaker 5: they know the value of it isn't what they thought
[1:30:15] Speaker 5: it to be. And then he also tries price controls, which...
[1:30:19] Speaker 5: causes inflation to get a lot higher. And it also
[1:30:21] Speaker 5: creates a black market because people don't want to trade
[1:30:23] Speaker 5: in traditional money. So it creates a lot of issues.
[1:30:27] Speaker 5: And if you see where we are now, immigration and
[1:30:31] Speaker 5: what we're doing with our money are the two things
[1:30:33] Speaker 5: that are really killing us.
[1:30:35] Speaker 1: When it comes to what's happening right now with our
[1:30:39] Speaker 1: financial systems, with the economy, I thought we would have
[1:30:43] Speaker 1: seen a major, major crash and recession right now. Not
[1:30:47] Speaker 1: to say that things are wonderful and inflation is ridiculous,
[1:30:50] Speaker 1: but what do you.
[1:30:52] Speaker 4: Well, they change what the words mean, though, too, right? Right, right, right.
[1:30:54] Speaker 1: So how do you see this unfolding with our financial systems?
[1:31:01] Speaker 5: Well, I think one of the big things that people
[1:31:03] Speaker 5: don't talk about with Constantine, who was the first Christian
[1:31:06] Speaker 5: emperor in the East.
[1:31:08] Speaker 4: is around the.
[1:31:09] Speaker 5: Year 313 in a city called Trier in Germany, he
[1:31:15] Speaker 5: mints less than 100 gold coins. What he'll then continue
[1:31:19] Speaker 5: to do throughout his entire reign is mint a few
[1:31:21] Speaker 5: gold coins every single year. So by the time he dies,
[1:31:24] Speaker 5: the Eastern Empire is actually on a gold standard, and
[1:31:27] Speaker 5: it actually gives them standard money. And I think the
[1:31:31] Speaker 5: thing that's interesting about that is if you look at
[1:31:33] Speaker 5: what we're doing here in the US, our money isn't
[1:31:35] Speaker 5: tied to anything. So governments can do whatever the heck
[1:31:38] Speaker 5: they want to kind of spend us into oblivion. If
[1:31:41] Speaker 5: we were tied to something, um, it would be a
[1:31:43] Speaker 5: lot harder for them to do what they're doing. But
[1:31:45] Speaker 5: the thing you have to consider as well is if
[1:31:48] Speaker 5: we change over to a hard currency, it's going to
[1:31:51] Speaker 5: get really rough, really fast. That's why I think the,
[1:31:53] Speaker 5: the idea of Constantine doing a few gold coins every
[1:31:56] Speaker 5: year and basically transitioning over a 30 year period is
[1:31:59] Speaker 5: something that really gives the East stability. And that gold
[1:32:01] Speaker 5: coin is going to last from, as I said, about
[1:32:04] Speaker 5: the year three 13 to, um, around the year one
[1:32:07] Speaker 5: thousand without being inflated so i think to consider if
[1:32:11] Speaker 5: you could change this over to a money that is
[1:32:12] Speaker 5: worth something we might be in better condition but if
[1:32:15] Speaker 5: you did it all at once it will be an
[1:32:17] Speaker 5: abrupt thing that could could actually crash the system as
[1:32:20] Speaker 5: well what are your.
[1:32:21] Speaker 1: Thoughts about where we're at right now with our entertainment
[1:32:26] Speaker 1: business propaganda were also in this interesting time where there's
[1:32:31] Speaker 1: a lot of shifting to to what people are paying
[1:32:35] Speaker 1: attention to and The type of media and entertainment people
[1:32:39] Speaker 1: are absorbing now is going to streaming services and social
[1:32:44] Speaker 1: media and things like that. But what we've seen with Hollywood,
[1:32:48] Speaker 1: especially with the woke era of the past few years,
[1:32:51] Speaker 1: is just a lack of interest. There seems like there's
[1:32:55] Speaker 1: a lot of losing money. And the propaganda is now
[1:32:58] Speaker 1: shifting into these social media and independent media realms. Also,
[1:33:06] Speaker 1: I've been seeing more than ever AI used for political
[1:33:11] Speaker 1: propaganda in many different ways. So we've entered an interesting
[1:33:16] Speaker 1: era of how we're interacting with technology and how it's
[1:33:20] Speaker 1: being used for propaganda purposes. Talk a little bit about
[1:33:25] Speaker 1: what you see unfolding right now, especially with social media
[1:33:28] Speaker 1: and propaganda.
[1:33:31] Speaker 4: Well, I think that that's.
[1:33:32] Speaker 5: The interesting perspective you see, because if you look at
[1:33:34] Speaker 5: the Romans, their reality would have been what they were
[1:33:37] Speaker 5: told it was. And I think with where we are
[1:33:40] Speaker 5: in history, we have an ability to talk like they
[1:33:44] Speaker 5: have never, we've never had before. And I think that's
[1:33:47] Speaker 5: the interesting thing to understand, though it has become harder
[1:33:51] Speaker 5: to do things in certain places. But if you look
[1:33:52] Speaker 5: at like X and rumble, you can say a lot
[1:33:54] Speaker 5: of things right now. And, Romans didn't have that ability
[1:33:57] Speaker 5: to be that open about their communication. So I think
[1:33:59] Speaker 5: the thing that's interesting is it seems like in some
[1:34:02] Speaker 5: ways people are waking up enough where the dam is cracking.
[1:34:06] Speaker 5: In Rome, they didn't have that ability. It would just
[1:34:08] Speaker 5: look like their world is going away and that's the
[1:34:09] Speaker 5: end of it and there's nothing you can do about it.
[1:34:11] Speaker 5: I think now we're in a time period where we're
[1:34:14] Speaker 5: seeing the culture start to shift. We're seeing the reality
[1:34:17] Speaker 5: start to shift. And we're seeing, you know, as long
[1:34:20] Speaker 5: as some of these courts have balls enough to do
[1:34:22] Speaker 5: something about it, We're seeing also some of the censorship
[1:34:24] Speaker 5: start to back off a little. I think even Zuckerberg
[1:34:27] Speaker 5: the other day admitted a lot of what he was
[1:34:28] Speaker 5: doing during the 2020 election. So I think we're seeing
[1:34:32] Speaker 5: the tide start to turn. And it's something that did
[1:34:36] Speaker 5: not exist in Rome. They did not have an ability
[1:34:38] Speaker 5: to communicate like we can now. And that's why I think, frankly,
[1:34:42] Speaker 5: we have an opportunity like we've never had in history
[1:34:44] Speaker 5: before because shows like this exist to actually turn the tide,
[1:34:48] Speaker 5: which we could not do in past times in history.
[1:34:51] Speaker 1: Because I am highly red-pilled, very conspiratorial-minded, I checked out
[1:34:58] Speaker 1: of politics a long time ago, and I just see
[1:35:01] Speaker 1: it as divisive theater and just a higher level of
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: propaganda and mind control for the people. Like I was
[1:35:09] Speaker 1: telling you earlier, the level of theater that has infiltrated
[1:35:13] Speaker 1: this year's upcoming election... We've even got biblical and theological
[1:35:19] Speaker 1: implications creeping in there, and it's just become highly ridiculous
[1:35:23] Speaker 1: in my eyes. But there are some that believe that
[1:35:28] Speaker 1: voting a certain way will ultimately benefit the greater good
[1:35:34] Speaker 1: or even individually in their lives. But the way I
[1:35:38] Speaker 1: look at it is both sides are highly controlled, and
[1:35:42] Speaker 1: no matter what side we vote in there, It's going
[1:35:46] Speaker 1: to be a continuation of the same agendas, the same ideologies,
[1:35:52] Speaker 1: just portrayed in a different way. And either side is
[1:35:56] Speaker 1: a trap. What do you see unfolding with either side?
[1:36:01] Speaker 1: Maybe we can get your thoughts about the possibilities that
[1:36:07] Speaker 1: we could face as a country with Trump in office
[1:36:11] Speaker 1: or Kamala.
[1:36:14] Speaker 5: Well, I think the thing you have to consider is
[1:36:16] Speaker 5: if you kind of look at where we are right now,
[1:36:19] Speaker 5: the media hates Trump. The powers that be hate Trump.
[1:36:23] Speaker 5: They've tried to kill him, whoever whoever it was. I
[1:36:26] Speaker 5: just don't believe the story they've given you. You know,
[1:36:28] Speaker 5: it's it's interesting to me. So I think the thing
[1:36:31] Speaker 5: you have to consider is and you even see this
[1:36:34] Speaker 5: with the RFK endorsement and the Gabor endorsement. I think
[1:36:37] Speaker 5: we're at a point in history that whether you like
[1:36:40] Speaker 5: him or not, there's enough people that hate him. that
[1:36:43] Speaker 5: I think it's at least better than the alternative to
[1:36:45] Speaker 5: have in there because I am terrified of where this
[1:36:48] Speaker 5: country would go with someone like Harris who didn't win
[1:36:51] Speaker 5: a primary. They basically just took out the old guy
[1:36:54] Speaker 5: that they had stuck in there in the first place,
[1:36:55] Speaker 5: removed him and put her in. The puppeteering of this
[1:36:58] Speaker 5: stuff is extreme. And I think just to see the
[1:37:01] Speaker 5: weaponization of the justice system, the weaponization of the media,
[1:37:04] Speaker 5: the weaponization of the DOJ and the FBI and things
[1:37:07] Speaker 5: like that against one person, Whether you like him or not,
[1:37:10] Speaker 5: maybe he's the right kind of wrecking ball. And I
[1:37:12] Speaker 5: think at least we have that kind of alternative that
[1:37:14] Speaker 5: maybe we can have something better come after that. But
[1:37:17] Speaker 5: I think now there's enough people that hate this guy,
[1:37:21] Speaker 5: which tells me he's probably not in their club. And
[1:37:23] Speaker 5: if you look at one of the major reasons that
[1:37:25] Speaker 5: people don't like people like RFK and don't like Trump
[1:37:28] Speaker 5: is because they're class traitors. They're supposed to be rich
[1:37:31] Speaker 5: people and only care about rich people things. And it
[1:37:33] Speaker 5: seems like for the most part, though Trump may be
[1:37:36] Speaker 5: very into himself, he's doing a lot of things for
[1:37:39] Speaker 5: the most part that are good for people. And I
[1:37:41] Speaker 5: think where we are in history, there's enough people that
[1:37:44] Speaker 5: hate the man that tells me, well, maybe we'd be
[1:37:45] Speaker 5: better off with that in office.
[1:37:47] Speaker 1: Now, when we also look at a bigger picture or
[1:37:51] Speaker 1: try to understand the big picture of what's unfolding, I
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: look back at the events of World War I, World
[1:37:57] Speaker 1: War II, the assassination of JFK, 9-11, then COVID, and
[1:38:02] Speaker 1: these all have these fingerprints from... These same groups. You
[1:38:10] Speaker 1: can find connections to every single event that have connections
[1:38:15] Speaker 1: to very powerful people that are still relevant in our
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: modern times. So I look back at all these string
[1:38:25] Speaker 1: of events and wonder if this has all been a
[1:38:27] Speaker 1: long game to collaborate. our system or if it was
[1:38:31] Speaker 1: intended a different way.
[1:38:33] Speaker 2: What do you think?
[1:38:36] Speaker 4: I think it often comes back to a collapse of
[1:38:39] Speaker 4: the system, right?
[1:38:40] Speaker 5: Because if you look at it, the people behind empires
[1:38:45] Speaker 5: only want them to last as long as they can
[1:38:47] Speaker 5: control them. And when they start to feel like they're
[1:38:49] Speaker 5: losing control or they're playing the money game a little
[1:38:51] Speaker 5: too long, they're going to collapse it and start something new, right?
[1:38:54] Speaker 5: Like if you look at it for a long time,
[1:38:56] Speaker 5: the British pound was the global reserve currency. You know,
[1:38:59] Speaker 5: then the US dollar has been the global reserve currency.
[1:39:02] Speaker 5: It's often the moneyed interests that are going to drive
[1:39:05] Speaker 5: a lot of this stuff. And they're only going to
[1:39:06] Speaker 5: drive it as long as they can control the currency
[1:39:07] Speaker 5: and control the people. And once you start to see
[1:39:10] Speaker 5: that crack and break down a little bit, they're looking
[1:39:12] Speaker 5: for their new game. And I think that's where we're
[1:39:14] Speaker 5: at because there's been, I don't know if you follow this,
[1:39:16] Speaker 5: there's been this discussion.
[1:39:17] Speaker 4: Of, uh, of multipolarity out there.
[1:39:20] Speaker 5: And are we reaching a multipolar world where there's not
[1:39:23] Speaker 5: really one hegemon? You know, where we maybe have Russia
[1:39:26] Speaker 5: and China and the US all having equal, co-equal power.
[1:39:31] Speaker 5: And I think to me, that would sound like they're
[1:39:33] Speaker 5: trying something new because they prefer the single hegemonic country
[1:39:37] Speaker 5: for a very long time. And, you know, whether you
[1:39:39] Speaker 5: like the idea of American empire or don't like the
[1:39:41] Speaker 5: idea of American empire, we are an empire in a
[1:39:44] Speaker 5: lot of ways. And I think many times, They're trying
[1:39:48] Speaker 5: to figure out who is that next empire they can
[1:39:50] Speaker 5: put in place.
[1:39:51] Speaker 1: Again, looking back at events of 2020 and previous events,
[1:39:56] Speaker 1: there always seems to be this invisible boogeyman to keep
[1:40:00] Speaker 1: us in line, to keep us in fear, and to
[1:40:02] Speaker 1: keep us relying on daddy government for the protection from
[1:40:07] Speaker 1: our invisible enemies. COVID was the most recent big opportunity
[1:40:14] Speaker 1: to present this invisible enemy. And because there always has
[1:40:18] Speaker 1: to be the next one, there is inevitably going to
[1:40:23] Speaker 1: be something in the pipeline that comes down that is
[1:40:25] Speaker 1: manufactured to a certain extent.
[1:40:28] Speaker 2: But because... Monkeypox! That's what I'm talking about, man. But because....
[1:40:34] Speaker 1: I have seen a lot of mistakes and failures, or
[1:40:37] Speaker 1: maybe it was intentional, who knows, over the past few years.
[1:40:40] Speaker 1: A lot of people woke up to the corruption. There's
[1:40:43] Speaker 1: a lot more awakened souls on this planet that are
[1:40:47] Speaker 1: questioning things now than I believe there ever was before,
[1:40:51] Speaker 1: so there has been some benefits to what's unfolded, but
[1:40:56] Speaker 1: Do you think that collectively, at least in the United States,
[1:40:59] Speaker 1: that we would go along with another mass trauma event
[1:41:04] Speaker 1: that shuts down the world?
[1:41:08] Speaker 5: I would hope not, but at the same time, emergencies
[1:41:11] Speaker 5: have always been used through history to justify things, right?
[1:41:14] Speaker 5: You know, whether it's the Reichstag fire justifying the Enabling Acts,
[1:41:18] Speaker 5: or whether it's 9-11 justifying the Patriot Act, which they
[1:41:21] Speaker 5: had tried to pass in numerous different pieces and Until
[1:41:25] Speaker 5: we got the right emergency, no one was willing to
[1:41:26] Speaker 5: pass it. Or even look at going back to the
[1:41:30] Speaker 5: Roman Empire. One of the ways that the Republic, which
[1:41:34] Speaker 5: eventually becomes an empire, starts to break down is people
[1:41:38] Speaker 5: stop obeying terms of office. What I mean by that
[1:41:42] Speaker 5: is typically when you were going to hold a consulship,
[1:41:44] Speaker 5: you could only hold one every 10 years. But there's
[1:41:48] Speaker 5: this general named Gaius Marius around the year 100. He
[1:41:53] Speaker 5: holds the consul ship seven times and he didn't live
[1:41:56] Speaker 5: to be 70 years old. So that tells you have
[1:41:58] Speaker 5: a problem. And what they did is they said, oh, well,
[1:42:01] Speaker 5: we had this war against Jugurtha and we had this
[1:42:04] Speaker 5: war against the Kimberi. And because there's war, we can't
[1:42:08] Speaker 5: use the standard way we do things. We need to
[1:42:09] Speaker 5: give this guy more, you know, power more often. And
[1:42:12] Speaker 5: that's what starts to happen is we use emergent, you know,
[1:42:16] Speaker 5: the powerful use emergencies or this constant state of emergencies
[1:42:20] Speaker 5: in order to push the next level what they're going
[1:42:22] Speaker 5: to do. And after Marius, terms of office don't matter anymore.
[1:42:27] Speaker 5: You know, people are holding it at too young of
[1:42:28] Speaker 5: an age or they're holding too many of them or whatever.
[1:42:31] Speaker 5: It doesn't take very much to destroy.
[1:42:34] Speaker 4: The rule of law.
[1:42:34] Speaker 5: And we have seen this numerous times through our history,
[1:42:37] Speaker 5: you know, whether it's the Gulf of Tonkin, whether it's
[1:42:39] Speaker 5: something like, you know, like you mentioned the JFK assassination.
[1:42:44] Speaker 5: These emergencies are used to push over the next thing
[1:42:47] Speaker 5: that in normal circumstances people would not accept. But under emergencies,
[1:42:52] Speaker 5: people will accept anything. You know, how does Augustus become
[1:42:55] Speaker 5: the first emperor? Not because he said, okay, I'm your
[1:42:58] Speaker 5: emperor now. They get to a point where the Romans
[1:43:00] Speaker 5: have been through civil war for a hundred years and
[1:43:03] Speaker 5: he's the guy that gives them peace. So he threatens
[1:43:05] Speaker 5: to lay down his power and people demand he be
[1:43:08] Speaker 5: their ruler. That is exactly what happens. People will sacrifice
[1:43:12] Speaker 5: their liberty for security. And that's why oftentimes, you know,
[1:43:18] Speaker 5: Malice forces will use emergencies in order to push through
[1:43:21] Speaker 5: things people would not accept normally.
[1:43:23] Speaker 1: You talked a little bit about how there's debate over
[1:43:28] Speaker 1: the dates of the fall of the Empire. Talk a
[1:43:32] Speaker 1: little bit about your understanding and maybe what's more accurate
[1:43:36] Speaker 1: to you.
[1:43:39] Speaker 5: So I believe the idea of the Roman Empire kind
[1:43:43] Speaker 5: of falling apart somewhere around the 470s. But I don't
[1:43:48] Speaker 5: think it's this kind of mashing and grinding and wailing
[1:43:52] Speaker 5: of teeth that people want you to believe it is.
[1:43:54] Speaker 5: I think it's more or less the money starts to collapse.
[1:43:58] Speaker 5: As we're bringing in barbarians, the empire becomes less and
[1:44:01] Speaker 5: less Roman and more barbarian. So it just kind of
[1:44:03] Speaker 5: morphs into something else. But what people want you to
[1:44:06] Speaker 5: believe is barbarian invasions. Yes, some do happen. I'm not
[1:44:10] Speaker 5: saying there weren't any. Um, but I, but I believe
[1:44:13] Speaker 5: it's that the empire just kind of transitions into something
[1:44:15] Speaker 5: else as it becomes less Romans and less money. But the,
[1:44:19] Speaker 5: the Western Roman empire or the Eastern Roman empire by
[1:44:22] Speaker 5: conquest tries to bring it back together. And that destroys
[1:44:25] Speaker 5: what's left of the city of Rome. But throughout history,
[1:44:28] Speaker 5: there are so many attempts to tie the Roman empire to,
[1:44:31] Speaker 5: you know, different time periods. Even look at the, the, the,
[1:44:36] Speaker 5: the Nazis calling themselves the third Reich. Well, because the
[1:44:39] Speaker 5: third Reich means third empire. So they thought they were
[1:44:42] Speaker 5: kind of the third occurrence of.
[1:44:45] Speaker 4: The Roman Empire.
[1:44:47] Speaker 5: So I think you can kind of see a lot
[1:44:49] Speaker 5: of these different things to our history. And that's why
[1:44:51] Speaker 5: it's one of the most hotly debated things of when
[1:44:53] Speaker 5: did it fall or did it fall? Because there's even
[1:44:55] Speaker 5: the whole other side that says, well, you know, the
[1:44:57] Speaker 5: Roman Catholic Church is what the Roman Empire became. And
[1:45:01] Speaker 5: in some ways you can see some of the power
[1:45:02] Speaker 5: structures there and a lot of the verbiage there. But
[1:45:04] Speaker 5: I don't think it's a direct lineage from one to
[1:45:07] Speaker 5: the next.
[1:45:08] Speaker 2: Do you have hope?
[1:45:10] Speaker 1: For the future and maybe for the last few minutes,
[1:45:14] Speaker 1: we could offer possible solutions or words of wisdom to
[1:45:20] Speaker 1: at least prepare for what could be.
[1:45:23] Speaker 2: In store for us here in the United States.
[1:45:27] Speaker 5: Well, I think to not prepare would be stupid. Like
[1:45:30] Speaker 5: you have to have some preparation, whether that's, you know,
[1:45:33] Speaker 5: you need to get out of cities is a big
[1:45:34] Speaker 5: part of it. Like being in a city is not
[1:45:36] Speaker 5: a good place to be right now. You know, I
[1:45:38] Speaker 5: live on five acres with a whole bunch of chickens
[1:45:40] Speaker 5: and farm animals, and I'm very happy doing that. Now,
[1:45:43] Speaker 5: do you out there listening have to do that? You
[1:45:44] Speaker 5: don't have to do that. But I would say in
[1:45:46] Speaker 5: some ways you do need to be prepared if the
[1:45:48] Speaker 5: shit ever hits the fan. The other thing is getting
[1:45:51] Speaker 5: involved in your local communities, because a lot of people
[1:45:54] Speaker 5: have just kind of given up the ground locally and saying, oh,
[1:45:56] Speaker 5: where I live is safe. And oftentimes, if you look
[1:45:59] Speaker 5: at how things change, they change on the local level first.
[1:46:02] Speaker 5: You know, national politics aren't worth as much as you
[1:46:05] Speaker 5: think they are. it is getting involved locally in your community.
[1:46:08] Speaker 5: I think we saw this a lot during the pandemic
[1:46:09] Speaker 5: of places that did mask and places that didn't or
[1:46:12] Speaker 5: places that had different social distancing requirements in places that didn't.
[1:46:17] Speaker 5: Where I live, it's like the pandemic didn't happen because
[1:46:20] Speaker 5: people here were involved in their local community. And I
[1:46:22] Speaker 5: think that's a big part of it because the government
[1:46:24] Speaker 5: cannot push those things on you. I think the other
[1:46:27] Speaker 5: part about it is we have to solve our currency
[1:46:30] Speaker 5: at some point in time. We cannot keep doing this
[1:46:33] Speaker 5: because a fiat currency will only last so long And
[1:46:36] Speaker 5: I think if you look at it, 10 years ago,
[1:46:39] Speaker 5: we were somewhere around 60% of all global transactions are
[1:46:42] Speaker 5: done in the US dollar. We're barely over 50% now
[1:46:45] Speaker 5: as BRICS and other currencies have started to come in
[1:46:47] Speaker 5: and some countries are even trading in Chinese Yuan. So
[1:46:51] Speaker 5: we need to do something about our currency. And we
[1:46:53] Speaker 5: also have to solidify our borders because if we do not,
[1:46:58] Speaker 5: the welfare system will take that currency problem and exaggerate it,
[1:47:02] Speaker 5: which means it's going to get worse even faster. So
[1:47:05] Speaker 5: if you don't have borders, if you don't have currency,
[1:47:06] Speaker 5: you don't have a country and you need to get
[1:47:07] Speaker 5: involved locally. But the reason I'm hopeful is because platforms
[1:47:11] Speaker 5: like your show exists where we can actually have these
[1:47:13] Speaker 5: conversations and do it out there in a way that
[1:47:16] Speaker 5: we can discuss these things. In other points in history,
[1:47:19] Speaker 5: this did not work because people could just be shut down.
[1:47:22] Speaker 5: And that's why I'm actually very, very hopeful about where
[1:47:24] Speaker 5: we are right now.
[1:47:25] Speaker 1: Any thoughts about possible answers to the currency situation?
[1:47:30] Speaker 2: How do you feel about cryptocurrencies? Gold, silver?
[1:47:36] Speaker 4: I know this will still upset people, but I'm still
[1:47:38] Speaker 4: on the fence on crypto.
[1:47:41] Speaker 5: The whole thing of we don't know who the guy
[1:47:44] Speaker 5: that created Bitcoin is, it's just the white paper out there.
[1:47:46] Speaker 5: To me, that sounds like a CIA program. But anyway,
[1:47:50] Speaker 5: I'm on the fence on crypto. I like the idea
[1:47:53] Speaker 5: of having something different. But to me, the only store
[1:47:56] Speaker 5: of currency we've had for thousands of years is gold. Um,
[1:48:01] Speaker 5: the problem we would see with our currency is we're
[1:48:03] Speaker 5: so far over our skis. We spent money for so
[1:48:06] Speaker 5: long that we don't have, if you get us on
[1:48:09] Speaker 5: a gold standard, it would, it would be pretty bad
[1:48:12] Speaker 5: for quite a while as we're trying to figure out
[1:48:14] Speaker 5: like what our currency is like. So I do think
[1:48:16] Speaker 5: if you're going to do something like that, you also
[1:48:19] Speaker 5: have to bring industry back here at the same time
[1:48:22] Speaker 5: because we cannot be a service economy like we've had
[1:48:26] Speaker 5: and fix our money.
[1:48:27] Speaker 4: It just doesn't work.
[1:48:28] Speaker 5: So it also gets back to having larger tariffs to
[1:48:31] Speaker 5: actually force companies to start trading here again.
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: One thing we didn't get to yet is the state
[1:48:36] Speaker 1: of censorship. And this seems to come in waves. But
[1:48:42] Speaker 1: I am concerned about the future of voices and shows
[1:48:44] Speaker 1: like this because the next wave of censorship could.
[1:48:49] Speaker 2: Come any day now.
[1:48:50] Speaker 1: I've already lost a YouTube channel with almost 50,000 subscribers.
[1:48:56] Speaker 4: I can.
[1:48:57] Speaker 5: I just did a show right before this and they're like, man,
[1:48:59] Speaker 5: your numbers were really good a year ago.
[1:49:00] Speaker 4: Did you get shadow banned? I'm like, yep.
[1:49:02] Speaker 1: Shadow banning is off the charts for all platforms. So...
[1:49:08] Speaker 1: This is another thing that's concerning. Where do you see this?
[1:49:12] Speaker 1: Do you think that we'll still have these voices within
[1:49:15] Speaker 1: five years?
[1:49:18] Speaker 4: Well, I think it actually comes back to more of
[1:49:20] Speaker 4: us getting loud.
[1:49:22] Speaker 5: Oftentimes we want to say, oh, I have kids or
[1:49:24] Speaker 5: I run a business or whatever it is. And it's
[1:49:27] Speaker 5: when you get into a time in history when people
[1:49:30] Speaker 5: cannot speak, if you don't try to speak as well,
[1:49:33] Speaker 5: you're enabling it.
[1:49:34] Speaker 4: And I think that's the problem we have.
[1:49:36] Speaker 5: We are in a time where everyone has to speak
[1:49:38] Speaker 5: the truth because if we do not, there won't be
[1:49:41] Speaker 5: anyone around in a number of years that can speak
[1:49:44] Speaker 5: the truth. So it kind of comes down to, you know,
[1:49:46] Speaker 5: I don't care about what your liabilities are, what you're
[1:49:49] Speaker 5: responsible for or whatever. You have a responsibility to be
[1:49:51] Speaker 5: out there and speaking the truth. And that comes down
[1:49:54] Speaker 5: to all of us because they cannot censor hundreds of
[1:49:58] Speaker 5: millions of people, but they can censor a few thousand
[1:50:00] Speaker 5: or a million people. And I think that's what has
[1:50:03] Speaker 5: to happen is we have to have this kind of
[1:50:07] Speaker 5: critical mass to be able to do that because if
[1:50:09] Speaker 5: we don't, it's very easy to handle that, right? We
[1:50:11] Speaker 5: look at what's happened on all the people that got
[1:50:13] Speaker 5: kicked off of Twitter over the years and all the
[1:50:16] Speaker 5: people that can't, like myself, speak on YouTube.
[1:50:18] Speaker 4: So it's a big problem, man.
[1:50:19] Speaker 1: That day ever comes where we get kicked off the air,
[1:50:22] Speaker 1: it's going to be making a Mad Max-style vehicle with
[1:50:26] Speaker 1: a bullhorn on the top and me just riding around
[1:50:29] Speaker 1: yelling my show to people.
[1:50:32] Speaker 2: If it ever comes to that.
[1:50:33] Speaker 4: I can't, I keep thinking, I keep thinking of the days.
[1:50:36] Speaker 5: I don't remember this with Alex Jones driving around the
[1:50:37] Speaker 5: bullhorn with his, with his van and stuff that, that
[1:50:39] Speaker 5: makes me think exactly that.
[1:50:40] Speaker 2: Hey man, you never know.
[1:50:42] Speaker 1: It could come to that. So last few minutes we have,
[1:50:45] Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about your podcast. Yeah.
[1:50:50] Speaker 5: So my show is called the Jeremy Ryan Slate show. Uh,
[1:50:53] Speaker 5: many years ago, about 10 years ago, it was started
[1:50:55] Speaker 5: as the create your own life show, but After the
[1:50:57] Speaker 5: effects of 2020, a lot of the things that I've
[1:50:59] Speaker 5: always talked about privately, I actually can't grassroots campaign.
[1:51:02] Speaker 4: For Ron Paul twice.
[1:51:03] Speaker 5: I started talking about publicly because I got to a
[1:51:07] Speaker 5: point where I'm like, I can't stand for this anymore.
[1:51:08] Speaker 5: So we talk about politics, culture, things that matter the most,
[1:51:11] Speaker 5: handling your health the right way, because a lot of
[1:51:13] Speaker 5: the information you get out that is bad. So we
[1:51:16] Speaker 5: try to help people be less effect and more causative
[1:51:19] Speaker 5: in the world out there.
[1:51:20] Speaker 4: And, you know, we're having some really great conversations to
[1:51:22] Speaker 4: help people.
[1:51:23] Speaker 5: At the moment, we're bigger in audio than we are
[1:51:25] Speaker 5: in video because it is a little bit harder to
[1:51:26] Speaker 5: censor an audio podcast.
[1:51:28] Speaker 4: But, man, we have gotten crushed on YouTube in the
[1:51:30] Speaker 4: last couple years.
[1:51:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a good time to be talking about
[1:51:34] Speaker 1: this stuff on YouTube. We just keep creating new channels
[1:51:37] Speaker 1: and stuff, and hopefully one of them will stick.
[1:51:39] Speaker 2: But, Jeremy, thank you so much.
[1:51:41] Speaker 1: This was fantastic information. Before we close out, let the
[1:51:46] Speaker 1: audience know one more time where they can find out
[1:51:48] Speaker 1: more about you, your podcast, and get all your content.
[1:51:53] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:51:53] Speaker 5: So once again, thanks for having me. If people out
[1:51:56] Speaker 5: there are business owners or, you know, they're people with
[1:51:58] Speaker 5: a big message and they want to get the word
[1:52:00] Speaker 5: out there, that's exactly what we help people do at
[1:52:02] Speaker 5: my company, Command Your Brand. So I put together a
[1:52:04] Speaker 5: really great resource for them called Command Your Empire. So
[1:52:07] Speaker 5: if they go over to CommandYourEmpire.com, it's going to cover
[1:52:10] Speaker 5: a lot of the basics you need to know to
[1:52:11] Speaker 5: avoid censorship, get out there, get your message out there
[1:52:14] Speaker 5: and really start making an impact. So CommandYourEmpire.com. Or they
[1:52:18] Speaker 5: can find me. I am Jeremy Ryan Slate on every platform.
[1:52:21] Speaker 5: I only use my middle name because my parents named
[1:52:23] Speaker 5: me after a cowboy actor, not because I am a
[1:52:25] Speaker 5: serial killer and assassin of some sort, because often people
[1:52:28] Speaker 5: with three names are.
[1:52:29] Speaker 4: I use it just so I can get found on Google.
[1:52:31] Speaker 3: Excellent.
[1:52:32] Speaker 1: Jeremy, thank you so much. Great information. Love to have
[1:52:34] Speaker 1: you back on in the future. Much more we can discuss.
[1:52:38] Speaker 1: And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll
[1:52:41] Speaker 1: talk again tomorrow.
[1:52:43] Speaker 2: See y'all then.
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