# FKN Classics Double Feature! Alex Tsakiris - Afterlife/Good vs Evil | Derrel Sims - Alien Hunter

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 28 Aug 2026, 2 h 17 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back-to-back classic forbidden knowledge news episodes. Tonight I
[0:07] Speaker 1: want to welcome Alex Sekiris. He is an entrepreneur turned
[0:11] Speaker 1: science podcaster who wrote Why Science is Wrong about almost everything.
[0:16] Speaker 1: His Skeptico show has been running since 2007 and has
[0:20] Speaker 1: attracted millions of downloads and a fair amount of attention
[0:24] Speaker 1: from those serious about frontier science on human consciousness. The
[0:29] Speaker 1: Skeptico Show is an interview-centric internet radio show featuring dialogues
[0:34] Speaker 1: with leading consciousness researchers, scholars, and thinkers. Alex, welcome back.
[0:40] Speaker 1: How you doing?
[0:40] Speaker 2: Doing great, Chris. Glad to be here. You know, consciousness ET,
[0:45] Speaker 2: you are like so my guy. Love being here.
[0:50] Speaker 3: Awesome.
[0:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I've been looking forward to talking to you.
[0:53] Speaker 1: Last time you were on, I had a great time,
[0:55] Speaker 1: but you flipped the script on me with your own questions,
[0:57] Speaker 1: and you got a lot of information out of me.
[1:00] Speaker 1: So it's my turn tonight, as for as long as
[1:02] Speaker 1: I can. I know you're probably going to flip it
[1:03] Speaker 1: on me again, but who knows. I want to get
[1:07] Speaker 1: your thoughts on not only near-death experiences, what the afterlife
[1:11] Speaker 1: could be, because you've had so many wonderful guests to
[1:14] Speaker 1: discuss this very thing. But what's the true nature of reality?
[1:17] Speaker 1: What are we in? Are we in a simulation? Is
[1:19] Speaker 1: this a grand experiment? Are we going to wake up
[1:22] Speaker 1: one day and this is some weird fever dream? Or
[1:25] Speaker 1: something so complex we couldn't even really understand it. This
[1:30] Speaker 1: is really your first time where we get to find
[1:33] Speaker 1: out about yourself. So I want to hear what got
[1:37] Speaker 1: you started questioning the reality around us. How did you
[1:40] Speaker 1: end up on this path that you're on?
[1:44] Speaker 2: Well, I think... You know, I always started with the
[1:47] Speaker 2: idea that everyone's questioning this reality in the same way
[1:49] Speaker 2: that you and I are. We talked about this last time.
[1:51] Speaker 2: You know, it's like, to us, it's just like, of course.
[1:55] Speaker 2: You know, what's the nature of reality? Who am I?
[1:59] Speaker 2: Why am I here? Those are just like natural questions,
[2:01] Speaker 2: you know. But I really started with a traditional background.
[2:04] Speaker 2: You know, I was a business guy and all that. But,
[2:06] Speaker 2: you know, if I can now, at this point, you know,
[2:09] Speaker 2: I've done just hundreds of shows. And my show has
[2:13] Speaker 2: always been Pardon me. I got a cough, but my
[2:19] Speaker 2: show has always been about, you know, me trying to
[2:23] Speaker 2: figure stuff out. It's like, I'm not so interested in
[2:29] Speaker 2: entertaining my audience per se, although I want to, cause
[2:32] Speaker 2: I wanted to stick around, but I want to know
[2:34] Speaker 2: stuff like something you asked there at the beginning is,
[2:40] Speaker 2: is like interesting to me. Like what is the near
[2:42] Speaker 2: death experience or even the extended consciousness of Research science,
[2:47] Speaker 2: you know, how might that, you know, tell us about
[2:50] Speaker 2: the nature reality and are we in a simulation and
[2:53] Speaker 2: all the rest of that just stumbled across this thing recently.
[2:56] Speaker 2: Good friend, Rick Archer boot at the gas pump. Love
[2:59] Speaker 2: this guy. We've done so many of the same guests
[3:03] Speaker 2: and he's been on the show and this and that anyways,
[3:05] Speaker 2: he has a very different view than I do a
[3:06] Speaker 2: lot of times, but really we are Dharma brothers and
[3:09] Speaker 2: we're kind of along the same thing. I'm bearing the lead.
[3:12] Speaker 2: He just did a fantastic interview. With a guy named
[3:15] Speaker 2: Jim Tucker. Have you ever heard of Jim Tucker? I
[3:18] Speaker 2: don't think so. Jim Tucker is the reincarnation guy. So
[3:24] Speaker 2: at the University of Virginia, which is one of the
[3:26] Speaker 2: top research universities in the country, Jim Tucker and Ian
[3:31] Speaker 2: Stevenson have forever collected all these cases of reincarnation. And
[3:38] Speaker 2: they're super meticulous about the way that they do it.
[3:43] Speaker 2: And so I'm listening to the interview that Rick is doing.
[3:50] Speaker 2: And it's like case closed that reincarnation is just a
[3:56] Speaker 2: scientific fact. I mean, this guy has traced it down
[4:00] Speaker 2: every which way you can. But what are the implications
[4:04] Speaker 2: of that for like simulation theory? It really, if you
[4:09] Speaker 2: think about it in a strange way, it kind of
[4:11] Speaker 2: blows simulation theory out of the water to a certain extent.
[4:15] Speaker 2: Because what all those extended consciousness realms, like near-death experience too,
[4:20] Speaker 2: what you hear on all those is, hey, you're outside
[4:24] Speaker 2: of space and time, and that's the larger reality. So whatever...
[4:31] Speaker 2: So then if you want to then start playing the
[4:33] Speaker 2: game that, oh yeah, but when you're here, you're in this,
[4:36] Speaker 2: you know, it just doesn't quite feel the same as
[4:42] Speaker 2: most of the people I know who are really into
[4:44] Speaker 2: that simulation thing. So I'm all about taking as broad a,
[4:49] Speaker 2: you know, look possible at all the different things. And
[4:55] Speaker 2: I always love coming back to E.T. Like I said,
[4:57] Speaker 2: I love That you don't shy away from that, man.
[5:00] Speaker 2: You're always coming back to E.T. It stuns me that,
[5:04] Speaker 2: you know.
[5:05] Speaker 1: And you know what? I actually probably have a much
[5:08] Speaker 1: different view of E.T. than even from the last time
[5:10] Speaker 1: we spoke.
[5:12] Speaker 2: Now, you know?
[5:13] Speaker 1: Just because of my own journey and from the different
[5:17] Speaker 1: perspectives that I've heard and experiences that I've had myself.
[5:21] Speaker 1: I think I look at it a lot differently than
[5:24] Speaker 1: I did even a few months ago.
[5:25] Speaker 4: You know?
[5:27] Speaker 1: Well.
[5:28] Speaker 2: You said I'm not supposed to turn the tables, but see.
[5:33] Speaker 1: You can flip it whenever you want.
[5:34] Speaker 2: You're good. See, that is one of the more interesting
[5:37] Speaker 2: topics to me. So ET consciousness thing, which is super hot.
[5:43] Speaker 2: I've been talking to Grant Cameron for that for years.
[5:47] Speaker 2: I love Grant Cameron, but he doesn't understand consciousness. in
[5:51] Speaker 2: terms of the larger breadth of consciousness research. He has
[5:55] Speaker 2: this consciousness blob. Everything's conscious, everything's consciousness.
[5:58] Speaker 3: What about evil?
[5:58] Speaker 2: What about the rape of these, what about E.T. raping
[6:02] Speaker 2: these women in public in a starship? There's no evil.
[6:06] Speaker 2: There's no evil. It's all just consciousness, consciousness. Well, that's silliness.
[6:13] Speaker 2: That doesn't make any, that doesn't really get us anywhere.
[6:16] Speaker 2: And the same with, you know, like there's a bunch
[6:18] Speaker 2: of people that are kind of spinning that out there
[6:21] Speaker 2: kind of the Jacques Vallée kind of thing, but they're
[6:23] Speaker 2: really misinterpreting Jacques Vallée. I interviewed Jacques Vallée. He's not
[6:27] Speaker 2: saying there's not, you know, living, breathing E.T. He's just saying,
[6:35] Speaker 2: he's just saying what everyone's saying is, man, we're looking
[6:38] Speaker 2: through the long, if we're looking for answers in this
[6:42] Speaker 2: form down here, fuck, forget it.
[6:46] Speaker 3: Forget it.
[6:47] Speaker 2: We are like so, limited in our understanding. So, you know,
[6:51] Speaker 2: just be humble about what we think we could possibly
[6:55] Speaker 2: know about that. But is there ET? Yes. Is there
[7:00] Speaker 2: bad ET, evil ET? Certainly seems that way to me.
[7:04] Speaker 2: Is there good ET, spiritual ET? Certainly seems that way
[7:07] Speaker 2: to me. I don't know what all that stuff means,
[7:09] Speaker 2: but I don't know how anyone steps over that evidence
[7:14] Speaker 2: and gets to the point of saying, well, ET isn't Isn't,
[7:18] Speaker 2: you know, biological. It's, it could only be interdimensional and
[7:22] Speaker 2: consciousness based. It's like, what the fuck are you calling consciousness?
[7:26] Speaker 2: We don't know what consciousness is.
[7:30] Speaker 1: You make a really good point. And I want to
[7:34] Speaker 1: delve a little deeper into that because you're right. Uh,
[7:37] Speaker 1: there are so many aspects of just let's stay within
[7:42] Speaker 1: the ET phenomenon. that seem like these beings could have,
[7:48] Speaker 1: you know, just a same duality as humans, good and evil. But,
[7:52] Speaker 1: you know, there's so many researchers now that are focusing
[7:55] Speaker 1: on this love and light consciousness aspect that these ETs
[7:59] Speaker 1: are all love and light and they're helping to evolve
[8:02] Speaker 1: us and we're all one consciousness. But if that's the case,
[8:06] Speaker 1: where does this really true vile evil come from and
[8:11] Speaker 1: how does it play into all this? And I think
[8:14] Speaker 1: that's a great question to look into. And the fact
[8:17] Speaker 1: that if these physical beings are coming here and abducting
[8:23] Speaker 1: people against their will, doing experiments on them, they don't
[8:28] Speaker 1: have what some would consider this Christ consciousness that a
[8:34] Speaker 1: lot of people are kind of into right now when
[8:37] Speaker 1: it comes to the E.T. and New Age phenomenon, that
[8:41] Speaker 1: they're here just strictly to... enhance us and do all
[8:45] Speaker 1: this well no abducting people against their will and like
[8:48] Speaker 1: you said you know there's been cases of aliens raping
[8:52] Speaker 1: people and i've heard of even killing people so there's
[8:55] Speaker 1: a really evil side of this that is really not
[8:59] Speaker 1: being looked at by this part of the community.
[9:02] Speaker 2: Exactly and you know just taking that one step further
[9:05] Speaker 2: it's like if if you take where we're at now Chris,
[9:11] Speaker 2: you and I have both been looking at this enough.
[9:13] Speaker 2: It's easy to forget that we never thought we would
[9:17] Speaker 2: be here. Ten years ago, when people talked about disclosure,
[9:20] Speaker 2: do you remember the standard line? It would be, they
[9:23] Speaker 2: can never disclose because once they started talking, people would
[9:29] Speaker 2: drill them with questions. They just start going, oh, okay,
[9:33] Speaker 2: so you're admitting the Tic Tac videos. Well, then what
[9:36] Speaker 2: about this one? And what about, you know, the nukes?
[9:39] Speaker 2: And what about the flyover DC in 52? And what
[9:43] Speaker 2: about Roswell? None of that happened. None of that happened.
[9:47] Speaker 2: It just rolled it out, just December 17. And again,
[9:51] Speaker 2: you know, I interviewed Leslie Kane, who rolled out the
[9:54] Speaker 2: story for the New York Times. I have tons of
[9:56] Speaker 2: respect for Leslie Kane. I don't think she's like faking it,
[9:59] Speaker 2: but I think she got, bullshitted i interviewed um ralph
[10:03] Speaker 2: blumenthal 40 year uh new york times reporter veteran the
[10:08] Speaker 2: other guy who rolled out the story in the new
[10:11] Speaker 2: york times.
[10:11] Speaker 1: So yeah i've had ralph on too and there's There's
[10:16] Speaker 1: this definite feeling that, you know, even when you're talking
[10:20] Speaker 1: to these guys, they have great intentions, but it's like,
[10:23] Speaker 1: I think you've been duped into a lot of this information.
[10:26] Speaker 2: You know, exactly.
[10:28] Speaker 1: And that goes for so many ufologists and researchers.
[10:33] Speaker 2: How do we know? Tell me, and then I'm going
[10:35] Speaker 2: to jump in there too. What are the telltale, surefire
[10:39] Speaker 2: signs that they've been duped? Because Dolan's been duped too.
[10:41] Speaker 2: Because I had this debate with Dolan, had him on
[10:44] Speaker 2: the show, and I said, political psyop. I mean, come on, Richard.
[10:48] Speaker 2: I mean, this is clearly a political psyop. No, no, no, no.
[10:51] Speaker 2: How do we know? Tell me yours, and I'll tell
[10:53] Speaker 2: you mine.
[10:54] Speaker 1: Well, one thing is that if you're not looking at
[10:59] Speaker 1: a broader aspect of it, if you're only looking at
[11:03] Speaker 1: it from one lens, like, yeah, this is nuts and bolts.
[11:06] Speaker 1: These ETs are physical. They're coming here. They built their
[11:09] Speaker 1: little ships. They're traveling here on tin cans throughout the universe.
[11:13] Speaker 1: and you're not putting in that telepathic consciousness, strange woo-woo
[11:17] Speaker 1: paranormal aspect to it, and looking at that as well,
[11:20] Speaker 1: then you're probably getting fed information. Or if you're just
[11:24] Speaker 1: on that side, just on the consciousness, there's no physicality
[11:28] Speaker 1: to this, it's all love and light, you're probably getting
[11:30] Speaker 1: fed information. And I think that a lot of the
[11:35] Speaker 1: bigger players in this, I won't say any names, you
[11:40] Speaker 1: know who they are. They're always on the mainstream news.
[11:43] Speaker 1: They're talking about UAPs all the time.
[11:46] Speaker 4: They have to.
[11:47] Speaker 1: Be being fed information because it's either being painted as
[11:54] Speaker 1: a threat or we have no idea, but it could
[11:58] Speaker 1: be swamp gas, it could be this and that. And
[12:01] Speaker 1: the people that are coming out with the information, former CIA,
[12:04] Speaker 1: former military, former government, They're always going to be involved
[12:08] Speaker 1: in that playing field. They're never going to be out
[12:13] Speaker 1: of that, especially if they're in that high level of
[12:16] Speaker 1: position to tell you what's going on with UFOs. That's
[12:19] Speaker 1: just my opinion.
[12:21] Speaker 2: So I immediately go to the last part you're hitting
[12:26] Speaker 2: on there. And it took me a long time to
[12:28] Speaker 2: really kind of settle into this because it's like I
[12:31] Speaker 2: was listening to Snowden the other day in an interview
[12:34] Speaker 2: he gave, and he just had a single line that
[12:36] Speaker 2: I thought was great. He goes, hey, the biggest conspiracies
[12:38] Speaker 2: are not even conspiracies. They're just right out front. You know,
[12:43] Speaker 2: like Snowden says, what was Snowden's conspiracy? That they're spying
[12:47] Speaker 2: on us. That they're spying on us every which way
[12:51] Speaker 2: they can, as much as possible, 24-7. Everyone on the planet. Well,
[12:56] Speaker 2: no one doesn't believe in that. That's not even, everyone's like, yeah. Well,
[13:01] Speaker 2: at the time, that was like a huge conspiracy. So
[13:05] Speaker 2: here's how I roll this. Elizondo. Elizondo. What's Elizondo's job?
[13:13] Speaker 2: He's a spy.
[13:14] Speaker 1: Counterintelligence.
[13:17] Speaker 2: He's a professional liar. He lies for us, for our government,
[13:23] Speaker 2: but he tricks people. That's his job. And he's the
[13:28] Speaker 2: one who rolls this out?
[13:30] Speaker 5: Really?
[13:32] Speaker 2: And he's a whistleblower.
[13:35] Speaker 3: Huh.
[13:36] Speaker 2: You know, all the whistleblowers I know nowadays, they ain't
[13:43] Speaker 2: doing so good. But this guy's on history channels and
[13:45] Speaker 2: all the rest of the stuff.
[13:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
[13:47] Speaker 1: And I've got another great example. The UFO conference I
[13:51] Speaker 1: just went to, Richard Doty, for a while, you know.
[13:54] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[13:55] Speaker 1: He was out of the limelight, but he was still
[13:57] Speaker 1: known as the misinformation counterintelligence guy who fed bullshit to people.
[14:01] Speaker 2: Well, now all of a sudden... More than that. Tell
[14:04] Speaker 2: the specific story. I mean, if people are.
[14:06] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he ruined people's lives. He almost killed somebody.
[14:08] Speaker 1: And then with the Linda Moten Howe thing, he tried
[14:10] Speaker 1: to feed her, you know, all kinds of BS by
[14:14] Speaker 1: bringing her in and showing her these, you know, documents.
[14:17] Speaker 2: Just let me interject so people remember this. Paul Benowitz
[14:20] Speaker 2: is this guy.
[14:21] Speaker 1: Oh, Paul Benowitz.
[14:22] Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead. He's this regular... He is like... You know,
[14:26] Speaker 2: salt of the earth kind of guy. He's like, I
[14:28] Speaker 2: don't know, a plumber, electrician or something like that. And
[14:30] Speaker 2: he's got his little shop across the street from the base.
[14:35] Speaker 2: So he starts calling over there going, hey, man, I
[14:37] Speaker 2: don't know what's going on, but there's some strange lights.
[14:40] Speaker 2: They go, hmm, you need to come in and talk
[14:43] Speaker 2: to us. So what Doughty does, because he's instructed to
[14:48] Speaker 2: do it, is basically convince this guy that he's crazy.
[14:53] Speaker 2: So they go to his apartment. And they have him
[14:55] Speaker 2: go in the other room, you know, just like, oh,
[14:57] Speaker 2: go find those records for us. And they rearrange the furniture.
[15:00] Speaker 2: And then he comes back and everyone just sits there like,
[15:04] Speaker 2: what are you doing? The furniture's rearranged. He goes, no,
[15:06] Speaker 2: it's not. What do you mean? What's going on? And
[15:09] Speaker 2: they did all this. I mean, that's like the least
[15:12] Speaker 2: of it. They did all this stuff and they destroyed
[15:14] Speaker 2: the guy. They broke the guy down. And Doty admits this, right?
[15:20] Speaker 2: And then he stands up there on stage. And Stephen Greer,
[15:23] Speaker 2: I don't know how... Oh, he reconciles the love and
[15:25] Speaker 2: light thing because Dodie just has the biggest old smile on. Well, yeah,
[15:29] Speaker 2: we did that. You know, it's like, okay, well, no, man.
[15:35] Speaker 2: Just add one other thing, the connection back to the
[15:38] Speaker 2: extended consciousness. I've read a ton of near-death experience reports.
[15:45] Speaker 2: Jeff Long has the largest database of near-death experience accounts,
[15:48] Speaker 2: thousands of them. You can search them on Google, N-D-E-R-F,
[15:53] Speaker 2: and then put in your search word. Put that in
[15:55] Speaker 2: and search rape. Put that in and search torture. Put
[16:01] Speaker 2: that in and search any of the other shit that's
[16:03] Speaker 2: going on here. See if any of that's going on
[16:06] Speaker 2: in that love light extended, you are a soul being
[16:13] Speaker 2: kind of thing. I mean, and I just had, and
[16:16] Speaker 2: I did this intentionally, Chris. I just had Jeff Long
[16:18] Speaker 2: back on the show. And the one question I wanted
[16:22] Speaker 2: to really pin him down on, I said, Jeff, do
[16:24] Speaker 2: you scrub the data? Do you scrub the data at all?
[16:27] Speaker 2: You got these surveys coming in, you know, do you
[16:30] Speaker 2: like take stuff out? He says, absolutely not. Absolutely not.
[16:35] Speaker 2: And if you look at the data, he has AT
[16:37] Speaker 2: in there, not a lot, very infrequently, but he doesn't
[16:40] Speaker 2: have any of the evil shit. He doesn't have any
[16:43] Speaker 2: of the evil shit in the NDEs. I think that's telling.
[16:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
[16:51] Speaker 2: Definitely.
[16:51] Speaker 1: Um, And I just wanted to touch on one more
[16:53] Speaker 1: thing before we move away from Rick Doty. What I
[16:56] Speaker 1: was going to say is that all of a sudden
[16:57] Speaker 1: now he's kind of beloved in the UFO community for being,
[17:01] Speaker 1: like you said, a whistleblower. Because he came out recently
[17:04] Speaker 1: and talked about all these things he saw at Area 51.
[17:08] Speaker 1: And yeah, aliens are real. He saw reverse engineered craft.
[17:11] Speaker 1: And now he's got a Showtime series coming up. So
[17:14] Speaker 1: it's exactly like he said, you know. I think if
[17:18] Speaker 1: you want to get somewhere really popular in this whole
[17:22] Speaker 1: ET UFO thing, just agree with the most ridiculous stories
[17:27] Speaker 1: that are out there and you'll follow the money trail.
[17:31] Speaker 1: But yeah, you're absolutely right. That aspect, the negative aspect,
[17:35] Speaker 1: the– The rape, the killing, all these things that they
[17:40] Speaker 1: won't touch, it exists. And I've had plenty of experiencers
[17:44] Speaker 1: and contactees come on to talk about it. But when
[17:46] Speaker 1: you ask the ones that are all love and light,
[17:49] Speaker 1: they say, oh, they misinterpreted the experience. Later on, if
[17:51] Speaker 1: they have a regression, they'll go and figure out that
[17:54] Speaker 1: it was all positive. They did it for a good reason.
[17:56] Speaker 1: I don't know about that.
[17:57] Speaker 2: And I'm not totally discounting that. And I'm certainly not
[18:00] Speaker 2: discounting the genuine spiritual experience that people have associated with
[18:07] Speaker 2: ET contact. I'm totally, totally down with that. I just
[18:12] Speaker 2: think you can't get into, when you start ignoring the data,
[18:16] Speaker 2: you know, Ray Hernandez, love Ray Hernandez was with them
[18:20] Speaker 2: right from the beginning, but he's just become like a,
[18:24] Speaker 2: you know, when you get this kind of zealot kind
[18:26] Speaker 2: of thing, it's gotta be one way, you know, we can't,
[18:29] Speaker 2: you just gotta follow the data. Just have to Follow
[18:33] Speaker 2: the data, and sometimes that means you're not going to
[18:35] Speaker 2: be able to figure the data out, but at least
[18:37] Speaker 2: you can follow it.
[18:40] Speaker 1: Well, let's for a second look at it from just
[18:43] Speaker 1: one point of view, from one theory. Say that there's
[18:47] Speaker 1: this really highly advanced alien race, and they created the
[18:52] Speaker 1: human species, however thousands or millions, however many years ago,
[18:56] Speaker 1: and they have a really vested interest in it. They're
[18:59] Speaker 1: watching over it for years. But they're not spiritual beings.
[19:03] Speaker 1: They're very scientific-minded, pretty cold, and just want to see
[19:08] Speaker 1: what happens with this whole human experiment. And, you know,
[19:14] Speaker 1: somehow this human experiment's going along, going along, and they
[19:19] Speaker 1: keep coming back, popping in, making advancements, visiting. But there's
[19:24] Speaker 1: this something that humans have that they don't have. And
[19:28] Speaker 1: it's this kind of that brings about this desire for
[19:32] Speaker 1: love and light. Maybe they're interested in that. What do
[19:35] Speaker 1: you think about maybe that scenario?
[19:40] Speaker 2: It seems much more likely to me that we're all
[19:44] Speaker 2: leading rich spiritual lives, that we all are from a
[19:48] Speaker 2: source of Getting back, let me pull Grant Cameron back
[19:53] Speaker 2: into the conversation because fundamentally there's something true about what
[19:56] Speaker 2: he's saying. He just goes over the top and loses
[19:58] Speaker 2: any coherence. Yeah, it's just an ocean of consciousness. We're
[20:02] Speaker 2: just a drop in that ocean. So it's about God,
[20:06] Speaker 2: you know, I mean, for lack of a better term.
[20:08] Speaker 2: It's about souls. It's about your... So the question I
[20:13] Speaker 2: sometimes put out, does E.T. have a near-death experience?
[20:17] Speaker 1: And who made E.T., right?
[20:20] Speaker 2: Exactly. So the idea that there is this sentient consciousness,
[20:27] Speaker 2: to me, automatically, rich spiritual life. We just don't know
[20:31] Speaker 2: what rich spiritual life means.
[20:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, that there's a big aspect that you're saying with
[20:42] Speaker 1: the experiencers that have these rich spiritual experiences. Now, I
[20:48] Speaker 1: did myself with my experience. After I came out of it,
[20:52] Speaker 1: things changed for the better in my life. This show
[20:55] Speaker 1: kind of took off. I became more spiritual. I began
[20:59] Speaker 1: to seek more about my experience, about myself, myself. more
[21:04] Speaker 1: about helping others, become more selfless. My life was actually
[21:09] Speaker 1: better after my experience. Now, I don't know if this
[21:12] Speaker 1: was just because the experience triggered me to want to
[21:16] Speaker 1: seek out this stuff or, you know, it was these
[21:19] Speaker 1: spiritual entities that kind of implanted something in me. I'm
[21:23] Speaker 1: still trying to figure it all out myself and I
[21:25] Speaker 1: have no idea. I don't claim to know. But I
[21:28] Speaker 1: have a better understanding of now than I did at
[21:31] Speaker 1: that time of what could possibly be going on. And
[21:36] Speaker 1: I have come to the conclusion that it probably wasn't
[21:40] Speaker 1: ETs at all that I was dealing with, and it
[21:44] Speaker 1: was more of a higher self spirit guide type of situation.
[21:48] Speaker 1: And that's just the personal understanding I'm at right now.
[21:51] Speaker 1: It could change tomorrow, but I'm just going to keep
[21:54] Speaker 1: looking into it.
[21:58] Speaker 2: So, you know, the way I kind of process that
[22:02] Speaker 2: is to say, absolutely. Yes, yes, yes. And, and, and,
[22:08] Speaker 2: you know, because again, like I remember I was just
[22:12] Speaker 2: listening to our first interview and you were recounting the
[22:17] Speaker 2: experience that you had and. It's fantastic. I've never had
[22:22] Speaker 2: such an experience. And I think that's awesome that you
[22:25] Speaker 2: were able to bring that back and integrate that, which
[22:28] Speaker 2: is really hard for some people to do. But here's
[22:32] Speaker 2: the thing. What you are at the end of the
[22:35] Speaker 2: day is whatever you figure out that means for you.
[22:43] Speaker 2: Wherever you go, there you are. So it's like getting
[22:47] Speaker 2: a little bit far afield, but it's like back to
[22:49] Speaker 2: the reincarnation thing I remember like a long time ago,
[22:53] Speaker 2: I interviewed this guy and he was a Zen monk.
[22:58] Speaker 2: And some of the Zen people, even though they're Buddhists,
[23:02] Speaker 2: are not totally down with the reincarnation thing. And I
[23:05] Speaker 2: was really kind of surprised because I had never heard
[23:07] Speaker 2: that before. And I was pushing him pretty hard. And
[23:12] Speaker 2: he was pretty good at pushing back. And he said, look,
[23:16] Speaker 2: you think reincarnation is real? You think reincarnation isn't real?
[23:21] Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. There's only right now. So it really,
[23:27] Speaker 2: it really doesn't matter. Whatever thousands of lives you live
[23:30] Speaker 2: to get to this point, what are you going to do?
[23:32] Speaker 2: What are you going to do right now? What are
[23:34] Speaker 2: you going to do? You're going to help that, that
[23:36] Speaker 2: old guy across the street or you're not, you know,
[23:39] Speaker 2: you're going to push him into the gutter. You're not.
[23:41] Speaker 2: So I don't know. I think I love the big thinking,
[23:46] Speaker 2: but I also think the whole thing, the whole exercise is,
[23:51] Speaker 2: is simpler. It's love. It's tell the truth. It's look
[23:59] Speaker 2: for the light because the light's always shining and we're
[24:02] Speaker 2: blocking it. You know, it's not, evil is not, evil
[24:07] Speaker 2: is a blockage of the light. And if we even
[24:10] Speaker 2: think about that, we kind of feel that's true. It's like, eh,
[24:13] Speaker 2: I knew I shouldn't have done that, but you know,
[24:14] Speaker 2: I just had these feelings.
[24:17] Speaker 1: You're right. I think For me, as I've grown and
[24:22] Speaker 1: gotten older, I can look back at my younger days
[24:25] Speaker 1: and it's like evil would come a little easier to
[24:29] Speaker 1: you in your younger days. And you didn't really kind
[24:33] Speaker 1: of feel as bad for some of the things. You
[24:35] Speaker 1: would just kind of, at least for me, I would
[24:37] Speaker 1: just do stupid shit. And then later on, if it
[24:41] Speaker 1: would have a bad effect on me, I'd be like, oh,
[24:44] Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't have done that because it had this
[24:46] Speaker 1: bad effect on me. And now I just look at
[24:49] Speaker 1: it a completely different way. And I don't even think
[24:53] Speaker 1: in that way. I couldn't even imagine thinking in that
[24:57] Speaker 1: way anymore. It's so juvenile and ridiculous to me. But
[25:01] Speaker 1: even thinking about someone else doing evil or harm to
[25:05] Speaker 1: someone or stealing from someone, it gives me this feeling
[25:09] Speaker 1: of just sadness and a feeling that I... I wish
[25:18] Speaker 1: I could have had that feeling at a younger age,
[25:22] Speaker 1: you know, this whole time in my life and been
[25:25] Speaker 1: able to kind of grasp on to that concept of
[25:29] Speaker 1: good and evil at a younger age. But I think,
[25:32] Speaker 1: you know, it just depends on who you are and
[25:34] Speaker 1: where you're at with the journey.
[25:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. That's pretty deep. But it's so true.
[25:42] Speaker 2: I mean, it certainly resonates with me. And it's funny
[25:45] Speaker 2: to see other people, you know, who are Like younger
[25:48] Speaker 2: than you, you know, who are just these old souls
[25:50] Speaker 2: who kind of get it from the beginning and are
[25:52] Speaker 2: just like that.
[25:53] Speaker 3: Right.
[25:53] Speaker 1: Yes, I think about that, too. I like one of
[25:56] Speaker 1: my friends who's in his 20s and he's the gentlest,
[25:58] Speaker 1: oldest soul. And he's exploring concepts that I'm just now
[26:02] Speaker 1: getting around to. And it's like, wow, man, you know,
[26:05] Speaker 1: have you learned through your previous incarnations here? Is that
[26:08] Speaker 1: what's going on?
[26:09] Speaker 2: You know, possibly. Possibly. Yeah, possibly. But, you know, the
[26:15] Speaker 2: important thing, I think, like what I appreciate what we're
[26:18] Speaker 2: doing is just kind of throwing this stuff on the
[26:20] Speaker 2: table and saying, hey, now the theories we come to
[26:23] Speaker 2: have to incorporate all this stuff in. You can't just, again,
[26:26] Speaker 2: step over it and go, okay, well, let me step
[26:29] Speaker 2: over the reincarnation stuff for a minute. And I want
[26:31] Speaker 2: to talk about, you know, simulation theory in 60 frames
[26:36] Speaker 2: a second and how, you know, all the rest is like, no, dude,
[26:39] Speaker 2: you got to make the whole thing. fit together in
[26:42] Speaker 2: a way that is reasonably coherent as a theory and
[26:46] Speaker 2: not just that titillates people.
[26:49] Speaker 1: As far as the whole simulation thing goes, I think
[26:52] Speaker 1: I see that different than most people think of like
[26:55] Speaker 1: a simulation. And the aspect that nothing really is real
[27:01] Speaker 1: or physical around us. And, you know, this may not
[27:04] Speaker 1: even be a planet. I'm not saying we're a flat
[27:07] Speaker 1: Earth or anything.
[27:08] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[27:08] Speaker 1: I don't know if we're on a pizza, man.
[27:12] Speaker 2: Hold on, full stop. You don't know if we're on
[27:15] Speaker 2: a flat Earth?
[27:17] Speaker 1: No, I have no clue what the Earth's shape is,
[27:22] Speaker 1: and I don't claim to know.
[27:24] Speaker 2: We just can't go there. See, that is, to me,
[27:29] Speaker 2: that is completely a great example of a very effective PSYOP. Oh, yeah, yeah.
[27:36] Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing.
[27:37] Speaker 1: The flat Earth, the traditional flat Earth theory, I don't
[27:40] Speaker 1: go with that. It's just because it doesn't add up
[27:43] Speaker 1: to me. But NASA doesn't add up to me, and space.
[27:47] Speaker 2: Doesn't add up to me. No, no, no, no, no.
[27:48] Speaker 2: None of it does. Don't go there, Chris. Don't go there.
[27:52] Speaker 2: It doesn't pass. It's not worth five seconds to... of
[27:58] Speaker 2: consideration and the fact that you've been kind of conditioned
[28:02] Speaker 2: or told, you know, hey, it's kind of like the Holocaust.
[28:05] Speaker 2: Did you know, you know, this and that, you know,
[28:06] Speaker 2: you should think about it. And if you really, you
[28:09] Speaker 2: never really looked into the data, have you? It's like, yeah,
[28:12] Speaker 2: I looked into the data. Whenever somebody is a Holocaust, yeah.
[28:16] Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly why I haven't done a show about
[28:18] Speaker 1: it because I really don't think it matters. But, you know.
[28:21] Speaker 2: It's not that it doesn't matter. It matters tremendously. Because
[28:25] Speaker 2: if you can't get to that level of science, if
[28:28] Speaker 2: you get... What people are doing when they go flat
[28:32] Speaker 2: earth is they're going uber empiricist. And it's not the
[28:38] Speaker 2: theory that is the problem. It's the space they're taking
[28:43] Speaker 2: in the scientific world. They're saying, you know what? It's
[28:47] Speaker 2: all bullshit. I can't be sure what's real.
[28:50] Speaker 3: So.
[28:51] Speaker 2: I can't, I can't be sure. So it's not proven
[28:55] Speaker 2: to my satisfaction. So therefore, I don't know. I'm spherically neutral.
[28:59] Speaker 3: I'm in.
[29:01] Speaker 2: No, you have to start building it up from the science.
[29:04] Speaker 2: You have to understand science. You have to understand how
[29:07] Speaker 2: science is built. You have to understand other people know
[29:10] Speaker 2: shit more than you do. You know how they do
[29:11] Speaker 2: when people bring this up in the skeptical forum. I
[29:14] Speaker 2: post a physics, AP physics, you know, when you're in
[29:19] Speaker 2: high school. Advanced placement physics. I just post one question
[29:24] Speaker 2: from that. I go, answer that fucking question. I don't know.
[29:29] Speaker 2: I go, okay. That's AP physics, high school. Until you
[29:34] Speaker 2: can at least enter that realm, shut the fuck up
[29:39] Speaker 2: about flat Earth. It's so stupid. It's just, it doesn't...
[29:43] Speaker 2: But what it has done is brilliant. Because what it
[29:47] Speaker 2: has done is, if you tell anyone that you entertain
[29:51] Speaker 2: the idea that the Earth is flat, you are immediately...
[29:59] Speaker 2: broken off from the herd of the larger conversation in
[30:04] Speaker 2: the public discourse. It's like, ooh, he's a kook. We
[30:08] Speaker 2: don't have to talk about him anymore. And isn't that
[30:10] Speaker 2: what you want? Isn't that exactly what they did with
[30:13] Speaker 2: the UFO thing, remember, 20 years ago?
[30:15] Speaker 1: Well, they do that with lots of things. It's not
[30:21] Speaker 1: just flat earth. They do that with almost our complete history.
[30:25] Speaker 1: But when it comes to that, it's just such a
[30:29] Speaker 1: divisive topic. I haven't done any shows on it. It's
[30:32] Speaker 1: not that I don't think it's important. I just think
[30:34] Speaker 1: that it's bringing people's focus to that instead of looking
[30:40] Speaker 1: at other truths that we should be looking at. That's
[30:45] Speaker 1: my kind of synopsis about it.
[30:48] Speaker 2: You want me to stop hammering on it? Okay, I'll stop.
[30:51] Speaker 1: Oh, no, man. We can go wherever you want. That's
[30:53] Speaker 1: just– The flat Earth, I couldn't tell you because I
[30:56] Speaker 1: have not done any.
[31:08] Speaker 1: NASA says is going on in space. Because I don't know.
[31:11] Speaker 1: You know, I really don't know.
[31:14] Speaker 2: It's not NASA. It's, you know, Elon Musk is not
[31:17] Speaker 2: one of my favorite people, but he had one of
[31:18] Speaker 2: the best tweets on. He goes, why isn't there a
[31:20] Speaker 2: flat Mars society?
[31:22] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[31:25] Speaker 2: Planets are round. Ooh, what a concept. And they float
[31:29] Speaker 2: out there in our solar system. Ooh, what a concept.
[31:32] Speaker 2: And we can take a telescope out at night and
[31:34] Speaker 2: we can look at them. Ooh, what a concept. Oh no,
[31:37] Speaker 2: turn that all alarm. Those are all round, but we're flat.
[31:40] Speaker 2: It's just so, so, so stupid. And what it really
[31:45] Speaker 2: does is it just creates this ghetto that then immediately
[31:51] Speaker 2: allows people who are outside of our community to just
[31:56] Speaker 2: divide and just go, well, you know, that whole group
[31:59] Speaker 2: is just nuts.
[32:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right about that aspect of it. But,
[32:08] Speaker 1: you know, that's a whole different show, and that's something
[32:11] Speaker 1: that we'll get into later. Because I would like to
[32:15] Speaker 1: have some very smart individuals on both sides, to have
[32:19] Speaker 1: a little discussion about it just for fun. Not anything else,
[32:24] Speaker 1: but we'll get to that later. But I want to
[32:27] Speaker 1: get a little deeper into what we're saying about E.T.
[32:32] Speaker 1: and their possible role in all this and good and
[32:36] Speaker 1: bad E.T. and what could possibly be going on with
[32:40] Speaker 1: these people being taken and reports of hybridized children and
[32:47] Speaker 1: things of this nature. Do you think that it's possible
[32:51] Speaker 1: that we already have these hybrids that could be running
[32:55] Speaker 1: around amongst us?
[32:58] Speaker 2: Chris, have you ever interviewed Bruce Fenton?
[33:02] Speaker 3: Yes.
[33:03] Speaker 2: A couple of times. Great guy, isn't he? Yeah. And Danielle?
[33:07] Speaker 4: I haven't had Danielle on.
[33:09] Speaker 1: No, not yet. Just Bruce.
[33:10] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[33:12] Speaker 2: So, you know, I interviewed him. I was blown away.
[33:16] Speaker 2: So I went ahead and we made a movie, you know, 780,000.
[33:18] Speaker 2: It's a YouTube movie. And it's on Amazon too. You
[33:22] Speaker 2: can watch it on Amazon. That's not like a great movie,
[33:25] Speaker 2: but it was good. Good little interview with him and Danielle.
[33:29] Speaker 2: And we had to cut a lot of stuff out
[33:31] Speaker 2: because Danielle has a lot of very, very strange shamanic
[33:36] Speaker 2: experiences associated with her whole thing, but not very lead. 780,000
[33:42] Speaker 2: years ago, There's a ship orbiting the earth and it
[33:50] Speaker 2: crashes and it leaves trace elements. That tektite, that astral
[33:56] Speaker 2: tektite stuff. And if you talk to Bruce currently, you know,
[34:00] Speaker 2: he's even tightened that up more. That stuff is 70% silicon.
[34:04] Speaker 2: We don't have anything that's 70% silicon that's fallen from
[34:08] Speaker 2: the sky. It's in these dumbbell shapes. It has all
[34:12] Speaker 2: this stuff, the field that it's in. We don't have
[34:16] Speaker 2: any explanation for objects that could be orbiting the earth.
[34:22] Speaker 2: You know, earth doesn't do that. You know, only really
[34:25] Speaker 2: small stuff does it do. Everything else kind of passes through.
[34:28] Speaker 2: I think his evidence is very, very compelling. And it
[34:34] Speaker 2: points to 780,000 years ago. Not that that's the first beginning,
[34:38] Speaker 2: but hey, there's a point you can drop that in
[34:40] Speaker 2: the ground. And that to me changes everything. So now
[34:44] Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, just start thinking, 790,000 years ago. And
[34:50] Speaker 2: then talk to Danielle about her, you know, Danny being
[34:57] Speaker 2: in shamanic underground caves where ET reptilians are raping people, okay?
[35:11] Speaker 2: And get the full account of her verification of that
[35:15] Speaker 2: and all the rest of that stuff. So that's another
[35:17] Speaker 2: one where I drive a stake in the ground to go, okay,
[35:20] Speaker 2: let's not step over that data. You know, let's not
[35:23] Speaker 2: step over that. You want to talk about hybrid? Oh,
[35:26] Speaker 2: did we hybrid 10 years ago? Did it start 780,000?
[35:30] Speaker 2: So go back there. And then, you know, they started building,
[35:34] Speaker 2: you know, it's just go change the timeline. And now
[35:40] Speaker 2: everything just, gets thrown upside down in a way that
[35:44] Speaker 2: we no longer ask those questions in a way that
[35:49] Speaker 2: we expect an answer. We just ask it like, ah,
[35:52] Speaker 2: that's something to think about.
[35:55] Speaker 1: Well, let's take that a little bit further if, you know,
[35:58] Speaker 1: say we'll stick with reptilians for now, that they live
[36:03] Speaker 1: underground and they could even possibly show up amongst us
[36:07] Speaker 1: But we can't see them at certain times. I've had
[36:09] Speaker 1: plenty of guests who say that this is true of
[36:12] Speaker 1: species like reptilians, that they can alter their frequency or
[36:17] Speaker 1: something along these lines to where we cannot see them
[36:22] Speaker 1: and we cannot reach that spectrum of vision. And if
[36:26] Speaker 1: that's the case, they could have all kinds of entities
[36:30] Speaker 1: and beings just beyond the spectrum of our vision walking
[36:33] Speaker 1: around us at all times. In fact, I had a
[36:36] Speaker 1: guest on, I'm forgetting his name, it was a couple
[36:38] Speaker 1: of weeks ago. He said that he had a conversation
[36:41] Speaker 1: with one of these beings that kind of uncloaked in
[36:44] Speaker 1: front of him and said that they were watching the
[36:48] Speaker 1: mating habits of him and his wife for years, which
[36:51] Speaker 1: I found very fascinating. But people like this, you know,
[36:55] Speaker 1: they truly believe their stories themselves. And that's what I
[36:59] Speaker 1: think is one of the first keys to getting me
[37:02] Speaker 1: to listen to their stories, if they truly believe it
[37:04] Speaker 1: with all their heart. And then you have to take
[37:07] Speaker 1: it from there and kind of dissect everything.
[37:09] Speaker 2: But what do you think?
[37:10] Speaker 1: You think that there are beings that are just around
[37:13] Speaker 1: us at all time that could alter either our perception
[37:17] Speaker 1: or their frequency or DNA to where we can't see
[37:21] Speaker 1: them at will?
[37:24] Speaker 2: I've certainly heard that, you know, like you have, um,
[37:28] Speaker 2: not to where I would take it again is we're
[37:32] Speaker 2: in disclosure and we have to remember what we said
[37:35] Speaker 2: we're going to do when disclosure happened and we have
[37:39] Speaker 2: to follow it. And the first thing is we have
[37:41] Speaker 2: to totally shift the burden of proof. You motherfuckers have
[37:44] Speaker 2: been telling us for 60 years that we had to
[37:47] Speaker 2: prove anything, everything, and we're crazy. And you know, none
[37:52] Speaker 2: of it's true. And now you're admitting the shit's true.
[37:56] Speaker 2: So now you have to prove to us that this
[37:59] Speaker 2: shit isn't true. If it's halfway verifiable with good witnesses,
[38:06] Speaker 2: the burden of proof, because it was always kind of iffy,
[38:08] Speaker 2: now it's shifted over the other way. You got to
[38:11] Speaker 2: prove this stuff isn't true. You got to prove that
[38:13] Speaker 2: there aren't the underground bases. Show us. Open up. Show us.
[38:17] Speaker 2: If not, we know you're bullshitting. We already know you're bullshitting.
[38:22] Speaker 2: Your story doesn't make the least bit of sense. So
[38:25] Speaker 2: I'm much more open to those accounts. I don't think
[38:29] Speaker 2: they're that difficult to kind of, you know, we can't
[38:34] Speaker 2: validate him like being 100% true, but I don't think
[38:37] Speaker 2: it's that hard to kind of sort through the Corey good,
[38:41] Speaker 2: you know, kind of versus, you know, Terry Lovelace.
[38:48] Speaker 1: Right.
[38:49] Speaker 3: Exactly.
[38:49] Speaker 1: Good examples.
[38:50] Speaker 2: Kind of thing.
[38:51] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[38:51] Speaker 1: I think that for me, at least this is what
[38:54] Speaker 1: I've come to think, that it's more of a– it's
[38:58] Speaker 1: always going to be an individual thing, that people who
[39:02] Speaker 1: are telling you, show me. I need to see this.
[39:04] Speaker 1: We all need to see this together. No one is
[39:06] Speaker 1: going to believe it unless they come down on the
[39:08] Speaker 1: White House and show everybody. Prove it to me. Go
[39:12] Speaker 1: out there and call some ships down with your mind.
[39:14] Speaker 1: Well– I don't know if it works that way. From
[39:17] Speaker 1: most of the experiences I've seen, it's very personal experiences.
[39:21] Speaker 1: Most of them happen when no one else is around
[39:23] Speaker 1: and can see what's going on. And that brings up
[39:26] Speaker 1: a bunch of questions. Is it strictly fun? that person
[39:30] Speaker 1: is this person manifesting this experience somehow with throughout their
[39:36] Speaker 1: consciousness do they want it that bad is is it
[39:39] Speaker 1: a connection to these beings that we have or is
[39:45] Speaker 1: it just our own higher selves that are projecting this?
[39:50] Speaker 1: There's all kinds of questions that could come up along
[39:53] Speaker 1: these lines because I think that from mainly the experiences
[39:57] Speaker 1: that I've heard, it's for that individual person.
[40:02] Speaker 2: So the question thing is interesting. I'm definitely a question guy.
[40:08] Speaker 2: 12 years, 500 shares, questions, questions, questions. I wonder how
[40:13] Speaker 2: valid the questions are. I wonder how real the questions are.
[40:19] Speaker 2: If I really search my soul, what do I need
[40:25] Speaker 2: to know? Back to, like we were saying before, what
[40:30] Speaker 2: do I need to know to connect with God right now? God,
[40:34] Speaker 2: forget God. To connect with infinite consciousness, love, to silence
[40:41] Speaker 2: my mind, to watch and not do, what do I need? Instantly,
[40:46] Speaker 2: I'm trying, instantly, instantly, I'm there, right? So do we,
[40:52] Speaker 2: I do, I'll say this right, obsess about questions as
[40:57] Speaker 2: a way of kind of avoiding maybe a deeper spirituality
[41:03] Speaker 2: that is right there in front of us. And we
[41:06] Speaker 2: know at the heart is kind of what it's all about.
[41:13] Speaker 2: I've heard you say you meditate and then you sometimes
[41:17] Speaker 2: get frustrated because you have a busy mind and stuff
[41:21] Speaker 2: like that. I do too. But I also kind of
[41:27] Speaker 2: wonder how hard it really is. It doesn't seem that hard.
[41:29] Speaker 2: I can get there instantly. I just fall out instantly.
[41:36] Speaker 3: Too.
[41:37] Speaker 1: You're asking how hard it is for my meditation?
[41:41] Speaker 2: Well, Chris, I do. Maybe this was outdated, but I
[41:43] Speaker 2: heard you say that meditation's always been hard for you.
[41:46] Speaker 1: It used to be. It used to be before I
[41:48] Speaker 1: had my experience. Now that after that, it's become quite easy.
[41:52] Speaker 1: Whenever I want to meditate, I can fall into it
[41:56] Speaker 1: very easily. Excellent. Yeah, I use it quite often, but
[42:02] Speaker 1: I've come to the understanding that as far as making
[42:06] Speaker 1: contact through this meditation, I don't really... have the need
[42:11] Speaker 1: to anymore. It's kind of like I've been getting little
[42:16] Speaker 1: downloads here and there about my experience that anytime I
[42:20] Speaker 1: need to reach out, I can do it. I don't
[42:23] Speaker 1: have to be meditating. I just have to do it
[42:25] Speaker 1: and the answers will come to me. And it's worked
[42:28] Speaker 1: out that way. If I want to meditate, I can
[42:31] Speaker 1: go meditate and have a nice relaxing experience and kind
[42:35] Speaker 1: of explore that realm and get what I need out
[42:40] Speaker 1: of it. But as far as contact with whatever I
[42:43] Speaker 1: made contact with that time, I've come to the understanding
[42:47] Speaker 1: that it's always with me. And that's why I think
[42:49] Speaker 1: of it as more of my higher self.
[42:54] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[42:55] Speaker 2: Again, back to absolutely. We have no idea what your
[42:59] Speaker 2: higher self is, but absolutely.
[43:01] Speaker 3: Right.
[43:01] Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what I'm just choosing to call it at
[43:03] Speaker 1: this time.
[43:04] Speaker 3: Exactly.
[43:05] Speaker 2: I'm not, not putting it down.
[43:07] Speaker 1: I'm just, Yeah, now I want to creep back into
[43:10] Speaker 1: some consciousness conversation and mix it in with some good
[43:15] Speaker 1: and evil stuff. So what some people are saying is
[43:20] Speaker 1: that if we're just a grand collection of consciousness from Source,
[43:24] Speaker 1: and Source wants to experience everything through each individual consciousness, say,
[43:32] Speaker 1: Source or the universe or whatever you want to call
[43:34] Speaker 1: it is just like a huge giant massing everything, and
[43:39] Speaker 1: the fingers are us or its limbs or extremities, and
[43:42] Speaker 1: they just want to experience and learn everything. Where does
[43:46] Speaker 1: the evil come in? Does it want to learn and
[43:49] Speaker 1: does it want to experience evil? Is that a natural
[43:53] Speaker 1: part of Source? I want to get your thoughts on that.
[43:58] Speaker 2: You know, last time we were together, we talked about
[43:59] Speaker 2: Tom Zinsser, and we both really kind of like Tom Zinsser. Yes.
[44:04] Speaker 2: He's still my kind of go-to source for that, you know.
[44:07] Speaker 2: And the bottom line there is, it's really about, I'll
[44:13] Speaker 2: spin it a little bit different, a little more yogic,
[44:15] Speaker 2: but it's the same thing. It's all about blockages, you know.
[44:20] Speaker 2: So you have this energy, this infinite light energy, love
[44:24] Speaker 2: and light, that we feel like Once every 20 years,
[44:30] Speaker 2: you know. And that gets blocked. And we block it
[44:35] Speaker 2: all over the place. We block because we get pissed off.
[44:39] Speaker 2: Or we're jealous. Or egotistical. Or all these other things.
[44:43] Speaker 2: Or we just make a mistake. We're like, why did
[44:45] Speaker 2: that guy just flip me off? That mother. And he didn't.
[44:49] Speaker 2: He flipped off the guy behind you. You know what
[44:51] Speaker 2: I mean? But it's still the same. It still rivets
[44:53] Speaker 2: through your body. You can feel it. You can actually
[44:56] Speaker 2: feel it physically. You know, you've got that. stuff in
[44:59] Speaker 2: you now. So you're energy blocked. So the whole thing
[45:05] Speaker 2: is about unblocking that so that you can feel okay.
[45:13] Speaker 2: The trick is, or not the trick, the stumbling block is,
[45:16] Speaker 2: and tell me if this just doesn't resonate as true.
[45:19] Speaker 2: It's kind of, again, it's only a slight leap from
[45:22] Speaker 2: what Tom Zinser says, which is about how Evil is our,
[45:29] Speaker 2: darkness is always there. Evil is our attraction to it. Well,
[45:37] Speaker 2: what I would say is going on is if we
[45:41] Speaker 2: have a blockage, sometimes it feels good to get that
[45:45] Speaker 2: out in a way that isn't, we can all say,
[45:48] Speaker 2: isn't necessarily good. We've all been there. That's the kernel.
[45:54] Speaker 2: That's the kernel of evil. You know, You listen to
[46:00] Speaker 2: the serial killers, you know, in the interviews with them.
[46:06] Speaker 2: Ted Bundy, you can listen to the Ted Bundy tapes
[46:09] Speaker 2: he did in prison, and they're up on Netflix. He
[46:14] Speaker 2: says this. He said, when I was a kid, you know,
[46:17] Speaker 2: I had this kind of weird compulsion for, I don't know,
[46:22] Speaker 2: what sounded like pretty normal sex, a little bit kinky,
[46:25] Speaker 2: you know, the high school kind of kid. But he said,
[46:28] Speaker 2: it grew. And I just kind of, I didn't know
[46:30] Speaker 2: what to do. And I kind of fed it. And
[46:31] Speaker 2: it grew and it grew and it grew. And it
[46:34] Speaker 2: got to a point where I couldn't control it. I mean,
[46:38] Speaker 2: to me, he's just laying out the path of evil.
[46:43] Speaker 2: Any thoughts on that? Because you interviewed Zinsser. You did
[46:48] Speaker 2: a really good job.
[46:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes sense. I just– I really don't under–
[46:53] Speaker 1: I can't wrap my head around it really because the
[46:56] Speaker 1: whole nature of evil, the more I grow like I
[47:01] Speaker 1: was talking about earlier, the less I can understand how
[47:05] Speaker 1: people can just inherently be that even if that's a
[47:08] Speaker 1: part of source. It seems to be like introduced somehow.
[47:13] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[47:13] Speaker 1: That's just the deep feeling that I get that something
[47:17] Speaker 1: introduced– our consciousness to evil.
[47:20] Speaker 2: I don't know i know maybe you're a better person
[47:23] Speaker 2: than i am dominating somebody i get that i get
[47:27] Speaker 2: that i used to play i used to play football
[47:29] Speaker 2: you know i was a a guy i got a
[47:33] Speaker 2: couple of scrapes some of them weren't deserved by the
[47:37] Speaker 2: other person i get it we all get.
[47:39] Speaker 1: It well here's the thing i i get pissed off
[47:42] Speaker 1: all the time i want to punch people in the
[47:44] Speaker 1: face every day You know, I'm not above that at all.
[47:47] Speaker 1: I'm talking about disgusting, evil, killing people, raping people, harming children.
[47:53] Speaker 1: These things that are unspeakable. I don't understand how they
[47:56] Speaker 1: came about in the universe to begin with. You know,
[47:59] Speaker 1: those are the things I can't wrap my head around.
[48:01] Speaker 1: And those are the things that just, you know, me personally,
[48:05] Speaker 1: I have to believe that something evil inherently introduced that
[48:10] Speaker 1: to us or something. seated us with that. I don't,
[48:13] Speaker 1: I can't believe that source would be capable of those
[48:17] Speaker 1: things and that's just my personal belief at this point,
[48:20] Speaker 1: you know.
[48:22] Speaker 2: Chris, did you catch my interview with Mitch Horowitz?
[48:27] Speaker 1: I might have because I've seen, I think it was,
[48:29] Speaker 1: it might have been you interviewing him.
[48:32] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[48:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was me interviewing him. Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
[48:37] Speaker 2: you know, I'm very, very glad he came on the show.
[48:43] Speaker 2: You know, I don't think he, I don't think he
[48:45] Speaker 2: knew exactly what he was getting into. It's okay. But
[48:49] Speaker 2: you know, one of the things about Mitch Horowitz, which
[48:52] Speaker 2: like if people don't know him, he, you know, he
[48:54] Speaker 2: is like Mr. Esoteric alternative religion, you know, it's how
[48:58] Speaker 2: he's framed up, you know, with his black fingernails and
[49:01] Speaker 2: his occult tattoos and all that stuff, which, Hey, like
[49:06] Speaker 2: I said in the show, I like Mitch. He's super articulate.
[49:09] Speaker 2: He's easy to talk to. He's just, you know, frenemy
[49:14] Speaker 2: kind of thing, you know, like a guy you'd hang
[49:16] Speaker 2: out with. But on the show. I knew where I
[49:21] Speaker 2: was going. And where I was going is, Mitch is
[49:24] Speaker 2: a Satanist. And he doesn't lead with that. So he's on, like,
[49:30] Speaker 2: Ancient Aliens. I watch an Ancient Aliens show. He was
[49:34] Speaker 2: practically on the whole time the other day. It was on, like,
[49:37] Speaker 2: symbols or some kind of thing. He is, like you
[49:40] Speaker 2: were saying about Doty, you know, he's kind of given
[49:43] Speaker 2: this access to go out and spew this stuff. So
[49:48] Speaker 2: I asked him about the Satanism. And what I really
[49:49] Speaker 2: pulled out, and it really fried him, is I go, hey,
[49:54] Speaker 2: here's an article from a while back. He said, hey,
[49:57] Speaker 2: one of your greatest influences, Colonel Michael Aquino. Michael Aquino? Pedophile? Rapist?
[50:09] Speaker 2: probably child murder. Long history. The military did the final investigation, said, no,
[50:17] Speaker 2: we cannot close this case. There's evidence of rape. There's
[50:20] Speaker 2: evidence of kidnapping. There's evidence of all this stuff. This
[50:22] Speaker 2: guy did it. They went and raided his house. They
[50:25] Speaker 2: found a bunch of child porn in there. The house
[50:27] Speaker 2: was exactly as was reported by these six and seven
[50:30] Speaker 2: year old kids. This is what it looks like. That's
[50:33] Speaker 2: exactly what it was. And his response was, oh, no,
[50:37] Speaker 2: that's not... That's not true. It's satanic panic. It's bullshit.
[50:42] Speaker 2: He's lying. He's being deceptive. So, or, or, you know,
[50:49] Speaker 2: maybe he just says, you know what really got me, Chris,
[50:52] Speaker 2: is like so many of the people that listen to
[50:54] Speaker 2: my show even, and I was so disappointed. They were like,
[50:57] Speaker 2: I don't know who's right. You know, Mitch seems like a,
[51:03] Speaker 2: seems like a good guy. Seems like a, seems like
[51:06] Speaker 2: a genuine guy. I'm like, bro, how do you think
[51:12] Speaker 2: the deception works? You think it's done by people who
[51:16] Speaker 2: are unpleasant? The evidence is so overwhelming, and if people
[51:24] Speaker 2: can't sort through the evidence, then we don't have a chance.
[51:25] Speaker 2: You wind up in flat earth shit.
[51:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. It does, it comes across nice and
[51:33] Speaker 1: articulate and clean and You know, the new Church of
[51:39] Speaker 1: Satan sounds wonderful. They have all these wonderful bylaws and stuff,
[51:43] Speaker 1: treat others wonderfully. But it's still, you know, at the root,
[51:47] Speaker 1: it's Satanism. And it's something that is probably not too
[51:51] Speaker 1: good to dabble with. And there's a lot of darkness
[51:54] Speaker 1: behind it. So, you know, just because you present it
[51:57] Speaker 1: a certain way doesn't mean that it changes what it
[52:00] Speaker 1: is at.
[52:00] Speaker 2: Its root, you know. Well, and I guess the other way,
[52:04] Speaker 2: and maybe I slipped off the point, but let me
[52:06] Speaker 2: bring it back. The other way I think it relates
[52:07] Speaker 2: to exactly what you're talking about is there's always this
[52:12] Speaker 2: inversion aspect to it, and it's a telltale. And the
[52:16] Speaker 2: inversion is, hey, do what thou wilt. Hey, who can
[52:21] Speaker 2: really judge what's right and wrong? You know what I mean?
[52:24] Speaker 2: Is it really Is it really right and wrong?
[52:27] Speaker 1: I mean, isn't everything— Well, there's this, do what thy will,
[52:30] Speaker 1: just don't hurt anyone. You know, there's always that, people
[52:33] Speaker 1: that come across with that.
[52:34] Speaker 2: But, yeah, I don't know.
[52:36] Speaker 1: I don't know, because how far does it go to
[52:39] Speaker 1: hurt someone?
[52:39] Speaker 2: Hey, you go back to the Sabbatean Frankists, right? 1666
[52:43] Speaker 2: and then 1700s, and this cult, Jewish cult in Europe.
[52:54] Speaker 2: And they're not the first ones. This has been repeated
[52:56] Speaker 2: over and over and over and over again. The doctrine
[53:00] Speaker 2: is redemption through sin. It's like, look, you know, God's
[53:07] Speaker 2: going to come and save everyone when everyone's good or
[53:10] Speaker 2: everyone's bad. We try to be good, it's not working.
[53:14] Speaker 2: Let's try the other one. Let's have orgies. Let's drink,
[53:18] Speaker 2: you know. Nope. No barriers. Incest is okay. This is
[53:23] Speaker 2: what the Sabatins and the Frankists implemented. This is what
[53:27] Speaker 2: their secret society rules. It's not just them. This is
[53:32] Speaker 2: repeated over and over and over again. It's like a
[53:35] Speaker 2: standard playbook kind of thing. It's the inversion thing. And
[53:40] Speaker 2: part of the other part of the inversion thing is deception.
[53:44] Speaker 2: So not only is it inverted, but I don't have
[53:48] Speaker 2: to tell you, I can lie. That's not, there's not,
[53:50] Speaker 2: you know, that's nothing wrong with me lying to you.
[53:53] Speaker 2: You know, it's like, hey, you know. That is how
[53:58] Speaker 2: the evil thing that you were talking about before, in
[54:00] Speaker 2: my opinion, that's how the evil gets to that next level. Like,
[54:06] Speaker 2: the origin of it is, I don't want to punch
[54:09] Speaker 2: that guy right in the face. But the next step
[54:15] Speaker 2: is plotting at home Well, no, you know what I'm
[54:18] Speaker 2: going to do that's even better? He's going to come
[54:21] Speaker 2: out tomorrow, and I'm going to throw water on his
[54:24] Speaker 2: doorstep and have it frozen, and he's going to fall.
[54:28] Speaker 2: And then I'm going to do this, and then I'm
[54:29] Speaker 2: going to do this. And we just watch ITV. It
[54:36] Speaker 2: just escalates. It just grows.
[54:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. It's
[54:45] Speaker 1: just making that leap to, you know, I'm going to
[54:47] Speaker 1: pour water on him to, I'm going to stab him
[54:49] Speaker 1: 100 times in the stomach. You know, that's where that
[54:53] Speaker 1: line for me is, you know. It's a big difference there.
[54:58] Speaker 1: I just don't under, you know, I can't, for me personally,
[55:02] Speaker 1: I can see how some people, you know, they want
[55:04] Speaker 1: to go into certain, The military, you know, I get
[55:08] Speaker 1: to kill somebody. They're excited about going to kill somebody.
[55:11] Speaker 1: I've heard people say that. They wouldn't kill, you know,
[55:12] Speaker 1: their neighbor or their friends or their loved ones, but
[55:14] Speaker 1: they want to kill somebody with a towel on their head.
[55:17] Speaker 1: I've heard that before.
[55:17] Speaker 2: You know, ridiculous things.
[55:19] Speaker 1: I don't understand that mentality, you know, of wanting to
[55:23] Speaker 1: take someone else's life, basically, or rape somebody or, you know,
[55:29] Speaker 1: things of that nature.
[55:33] Speaker 2: I get it.
[55:35] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
[55:36] Speaker 1: It's just that line is– for me, it's like a
[55:39] Speaker 1: huge jump, and I don't see where that kind of
[55:45] Speaker 1: depravity comes from, I guess. It's hard to get to
[55:51] Speaker 1: that for me. And I think that's one of the
[55:54] Speaker 1: huge questions when it comes to good versus evil and
[55:58] Speaker 1: what is the nature of evil like you wrote about.
[56:04] Speaker 2: Well, let's hope there's that barrier.
[56:05] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[56:07] Speaker 1: Yes, let's definitely hope that there's a barrier. We've got
[56:10] Speaker 1: a few minutes left. I want to close on this.
[56:12] Speaker 1: Let's talk about the massive misinformation that's going around. We
[56:17] Speaker 1: kind of touched on it with the flat earth thing
[56:18] Speaker 1: and conspiracy theories, but not only that, science and mainstream
[56:24] Speaker 1: science and the mistrust that I have, that a lot
[56:28] Speaker 1: of people have with science now, with our own history,
[56:32] Speaker 1: and the beliefs people put it put into not only
[56:37] Speaker 1: these conspiracy theories, but even on the other side, mainstream
[56:41] Speaker 1: science telling us nowadays, this is the way it is
[56:45] Speaker 1: because we're saying it, not because it's actual science. That's
[56:50] Speaker 1: what a lot of this has become in recent years.
[56:54] Speaker 1: Talking heads on TV telling us this is science because
[56:58] Speaker 1: it saves lives and we said so. certain things along
[57:01] Speaker 1: those nature, people believing it. But then on the other side,
[57:04] Speaker 1: we've got massive misinformation and disinformation and conspiracy theory campaigns
[57:09] Speaker 1: going on all over the Internet. So we have the
[57:12] Speaker 1: people who are watching the mainstream with that side, people
[57:14] Speaker 1: on the conspiracy side, alternative media looking at that side,
[57:18] Speaker 1: and it's a big old mess. I guess my question is,
[57:24] Speaker 1: how are we supposed to decipher through all this, and
[57:27] Speaker 1: is there a way out of it?
[57:33] Speaker 2: If I am going to hang my head in despair,
[57:37] Speaker 2: there it is. And it's funny, again, because, you know,
[57:41] Speaker 2: I've done this a little while. You know, for me,
[57:46] Speaker 2: it's changed. It's changed just since the time that I
[57:49] Speaker 2: did it. You know, my first interview was with Cambridge
[57:52] Speaker 2: biologist Rupert Sheldrick, and we were all about the science,
[57:55] Speaker 2: you know? Dogs that know when their owners are coming home,
[57:58] Speaker 2: and I proved it, and I did camera, listen... median
[58:01] Speaker 2: time of the, you know, total time, and then Dr.
[58:06] Speaker 2: Richard Wiseman from the UK, the skeptic, you know, back
[58:10] Speaker 2: to the skeptics. Man, I almost, I miss the skeptics.
[58:15] Speaker 2: At least they somewhat engaged him. At least they somewhat
[58:19] Speaker 2: pretended to engage in something like science.
[58:23] Speaker 1: There appeared to be a balance, you know.
[58:26] Speaker 2: Yet now it is, as you alluded to, I don't
[58:30] Speaker 2: know how we fix it because science by edict, I
[58:36] Speaker 2: just don't, I don't, I really don't think it's fixable.
[58:39] Speaker 2: Where they've gone with this latest step, I don't think
[58:44] Speaker 2: you can, I don't see how you walk it back.
[58:47] Speaker 2: I wish I could be somewhat, I just don't see
[58:51] Speaker 2: that they have total control because they have total control
[58:55] Speaker 2: of the media and of the science media and of Again,
[59:00] Speaker 2: they've shifted the thing from it's no longer the kind
[59:04] Speaker 2: of angry skeptic, prove it to me kind of thing.
[59:07] Speaker 2: Now it's the cancel culture. How did.
[59:10] Speaker 1: You?
[59:10] Speaker 2: You know, kind of that's that's so, you know, unjust
[59:16] Speaker 2: for you to, you know. So, no, it's screwed.
[59:23] Speaker 1: You know, I've heard that too many damn times.
[59:26] Speaker 2: Alex, we're screwed.
[59:27] Speaker 1: I've heard that too many times in the past few years.
[59:29] Speaker 1: I like to have hope. You know, I think we're
[59:31] Speaker 1: screwed too, honestly, to a certain level. But I always
[59:35] Speaker 1: like to have hope. I always like to think that
[59:37] Speaker 1: eventually we can climb our way out, that maybe people
[59:41] Speaker 1: like yourself, people like myself might be making a teensy
[59:44] Speaker 1: smidge of a difference by getting some alternative viewpoints out there,
[59:49] Speaker 1: getting some people that are, like you said earlier, some
[59:52] Speaker 1: smart people, smarter than ourselves, and talking to them and
[59:56] Speaker 1: bringing out this information. And maybe, just maybe, some people
[1:00:00] Speaker 1: are listening and then they're telling their friends about it
[1:00:03] Speaker 1: and they're doing their own research on it, which is really.
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: The most important part.
[1:00:07] Speaker 1: And then making the decision to make a change based
[1:00:10] Speaker 1: on that. I'm hoping that's what's happened at least.
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: I love that, Chris. And, you know, as you say that,
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: I don't think that's at all impossible or unlikely. Hey,
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: I'm coming over to your camp.
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: Yeah. There we go. awesome alex man this was fun
[1:00:27] Speaker 1: a great conversation i love it hard-hitting stuff we always
[1:00:31] Speaker 1: go deep and uh of course i'd love to have
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: you back on again in the future we can smack
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: each other around again.
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: Any any any time you are you are so on
[1:00:41] Speaker 2: target and i love your stuff i love the your
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: shows i do you know the shred the latest one
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: was the Shredding of the Bob Lazar W2. I know
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: it's a rerun of an oldie classic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:00:53] Speaker 2: But I listen to that and I'm like pounding the table.
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: It's like, that's what I'm talking about. It's like, how
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: does that fit in with your phony disclosure? So you
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: do some great, great work. There's a ton of great
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: stuff on your– and there's a million other ones too.
[1:01:09] Speaker 2: I'm listening.
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: The check's in the mail. I'll pay you for that statement.
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: No, no. Just keep them coming. Just keep them coming.
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: You don't have to pay me.
[1:01:16] Speaker 1: Will do, and yourself too, man. Your guests are fantastic.
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: Your show is fantastic. Everybody, go check out Skeptico if
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: you haven't already. We've had some similar guests, but he
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: goes deep, man, really deep. And Alex, thank you again
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: for coming on tonight, and we'll talk again in the
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: near future.
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: Terrific, Chris. Take care.
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: Until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.
[1:01:39] Speaker 4: We'll talk again tomorrow.
[1:01:42] Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome former military police officer and CIA
[1:01:45] Speaker 1: operative master hypnotherapist, and private investigator and researcher of human-alien encounters, Mr.
[1:01:53] Speaker 4: Darrell Sims. How are you doing tonight, Darrell?
[1:01:56] Speaker 3: I'm glad to be here. It's a real privilege. Great, great.
[1:02:01] Speaker 1: Well, I'd like to start with a little bit about
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: your background and kind of what got you started in
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: your current field of research.
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: Well, actually, there's two sides of that. First is... I
[1:02:16] Speaker 3: bring a heavy investigative background from the military police. Uh,
[1:02:21] Speaker 3: when I volunteered during the Vietnam war, uh, in military
[1:02:25] Speaker 3: in the United States army. And second, uh, I, uh,
[1:02:31] Speaker 3: spent two years of my three-year hitch in the army, uh,
[1:02:35] Speaker 3: stationed in the central intelligence agency in covert operations. I
[1:02:39] Speaker 3: was sheep dipped. And that means simply they take you
[1:02:43] Speaker 3: out of the military and, uh, make everybody still think
[1:02:47] Speaker 3: you're in, and then they place you or sheep dip you,
[1:02:50] Speaker 3: move you to their own operations. And so I'll bring
[1:02:55] Speaker 3: you a background from that as well. And then I've
[1:02:57] Speaker 3: been a private investigator for 30 years. So I bring
[1:03:01] Speaker 3: all those for an investigative aspect of the phenomena. So
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: that's from a professional point, that's where I'm coming from.
[1:03:09] Speaker 3: From a practical viewpoint, I experienced my own abduction at
[1:03:13] Speaker 3: age four. in Midland, Texas, and that forever changed my life.
[1:03:19] Speaker 3: But what brought me to an abductee to an alien
[1:03:27] Speaker 3: hunter is they came and got my son. When they
[1:03:31] Speaker 3: did that, that forever changed my outlook on things. And
[1:03:37] Speaker 3: you can tamper with me, you can get away with things.
[1:03:39] Speaker 3: I'm a big guy, I can handle it. But when
[1:03:42] Speaker 3: you come after my children, Right. You're in trouble. Right.
[1:03:46] Speaker 4: Understood.
[1:03:48] Speaker 1: So can you tell us a little bit about what
[1:03:50] Speaker 1: your current investigation, um, what, you know, what it entails,
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: what your everyday research entails?
[1:03:59] Speaker 3: Well, realistically, um, I, uh, spend, uh, about half of
[1:04:05] Speaker 3: my time, uh, going to conferences and, um, I'll be
[1:04:09] Speaker 3: in contact in the desert as an example, uh, in, uh,
[1:04:13] Speaker 3: on the, uh, May 31st to the 3rd of June.
[1:04:20] Speaker 3: And there is an example, and I'm going to numerous
[1:04:24] Speaker 3: countries from this year alone in the United Kingdom. Then
[1:04:32] Speaker 3: from there, I'll travel immediately over to Italy and I'll
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: stay there for 10 days and do investigations there. And
[1:04:41] Speaker 3: then finally do a conference for them as well. But
[1:04:44] Speaker 3: in meeting in these conferences, people come to me privately
[1:04:49] Speaker 3: many times and they ask all kinds of questions. And
[1:04:53] Speaker 3: like you, they watch my work. And some of these
[1:04:56] Speaker 3: people are very serious in as much as they'll go
[1:04:59] Speaker 3: to a conference two or three times. And when they
[1:05:03] Speaker 3: hear me and see me enough and attend my workshops,
[1:05:06] Speaker 3: they realize this guy is not only serious, he knows
[1:05:10] Speaker 3: what's going on. They validate me. And once that happens
[1:05:17] Speaker 3: and until that happens, they remain in the shadows. They
[1:05:19] Speaker 3: stay quiet. But when they come out, they come out
[1:05:22] Speaker 3: with some fascinating information about their case and about what's
[1:05:26] Speaker 3: going on with their life.
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: Now, could you talk about your experience in the CIA?
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: Could you tell us anything about what you did in
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: the CIA?
[1:05:38] Speaker 5: Well, I could tell you, Chris, but the punishment for that.
[1:05:50] Speaker 5: I have a lot of funny stories I could tell
[1:05:52] Speaker 5: about that. There is one conference, one conference, one only
[1:05:56] Speaker 5: conference in the whole world that I don't get to
[1:05:58] Speaker 5: go to. Carla Turner, when she was alive, she said,
[1:06:03] Speaker 5: why don't you invite Daryl Sims? He's one of the
[1:06:05] Speaker 5: best people I've ever seen. He's the best friend of mine.
[1:06:08] Speaker 5: And they said, once CIA, always CIA. So he's spying
[1:06:14] Speaker 5: on us.
[1:06:16] Speaker 3: Well, I got news for you. You don't have to
[1:06:17] Speaker 3: spy on anybody in UFO community. All you got to
[1:06:19] Speaker 3: do is order the tapes. You don't even have to
[1:06:21] Speaker 3: attend the conference. It's really funny. But what I did
[1:06:27] Speaker 3: in the CIA was, um, several things. Number one, I
[1:06:31] Speaker 3: was a martial arts instructor there. I was, uh, as
[1:06:34] Speaker 3: I said, uh, uh, part of a military police, uh,
[1:06:38] Speaker 3: component special unit, uh, there as well. And, um, I
[1:06:43] Speaker 3: was a weapons instructor there. And our work, of course,
[1:06:47] Speaker 3: was in covert operations in the Central Intelligence Agency. Basically,
[1:06:52] Speaker 3: the CIA, Mossad, the KGB, any intelligence agency, I don't
[1:06:58] Speaker 3: care who they are. They exist with two primary objectives.
[1:07:03] Speaker 3: One is they lie and they lie consistently. And they
[1:07:09] Speaker 3: all do. And they have to, because in the intelligence business,
[1:07:12] Speaker 3: you can't let anybody know what you're doing. And which
[1:07:15] Speaker 3: brings up the alien. The alien functions just like an
[1:07:19] Speaker 3: intelligence community in my viewpoint, because they simply can't let
[1:07:24] Speaker 3: anybody know what they're really up to. So what you
[1:07:27] Speaker 3: get are these whoppers that they tell different nations, different
[1:07:31] Speaker 3: nations around the world. And I've been to a bunch
[1:07:33] Speaker 3: of them all have a different story about the alien,
[1:07:37] Speaker 3: about where they are, who they are, what they're doing.
[1:07:39] Speaker 3: It's the same thing with Native Americans. We're going to
[1:07:42] Speaker 3: have a Native American conference here in Houston representing several
[1:07:48] Speaker 3: different tribes and several different perspectives primarily. And my point
[1:07:53] Speaker 3: is that every one of them has got a different story. Look,
[1:07:58] Speaker 3: I used to be a cop. And if you've got
[1:08:01] Speaker 3: a dead body laying on the floor and eight people
[1:08:03] Speaker 3: standing around and I walk in and say, what's this
[1:08:06] Speaker 3: knife doing in this body? Who did it? And everybody
[1:08:09] Speaker 3: looks at you and tells you eight different stories. Guess
[1:08:12] Speaker 3: how many people get to go downtown? Every one of them.
[1:08:17] Speaker 3: Find out what's going on. So it's a ruse. It's
[1:08:21] Speaker 3: a red herring or a whopper. It's a lie. Many
[1:08:25] Speaker 3: of these things, you can't get eight stories in a
[1:08:28] Speaker 3: row from about the same exact event and expect them
[1:08:33] Speaker 3: all to be true. I just don't buy it.
[1:08:36] Speaker 1: Right. Now you said that You were abducted at an
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: early age. Can you tell us about that experience?
[1:08:46] Speaker 3: I can. The event happened when I was four years old,
[1:08:51] Speaker 3: approximately four and a half years old. And I had
[1:08:55] Speaker 3: no idea what was going on. It was 1952. Goodness sakes.
[1:09:03] Speaker 3: Nobody knew anything about aliens back then. There was no
[1:09:05] Speaker 3: TV showing alien stories and movies and things like that.
[1:09:10] Speaker 3: Nobody had interest anyway. None of it made sense. So
[1:09:16] Speaker 3: I'm laying in bed and I don't realize then, but
[1:09:18] Speaker 3: I do now, that the entity had just brought me back,
[1:09:25] Speaker 3: placed me in bed. And I had a suspicion something
[1:09:30] Speaker 3: was serious was going wrong and opened my eyes very quickly.
[1:09:33] Speaker 3: And I noticed he was walking away from me. He's
[1:09:35] Speaker 3: walking toward a wall. And I thought, well, he's going
[1:09:40] Speaker 3: to bump into the wall. I didn't know he's going
[1:09:42] Speaker 3: through the wall. I didn't know that. So as soon
[1:09:47] Speaker 3: as he heard me think that he turns around and I,
[1:09:51] Speaker 3: This was really weird. He turns around, and I hear
[1:09:55] Speaker 3: him mentally say to me, it's awake. And I realize
[1:10:02] Speaker 3: that his little tiny mouth doesn't speak. And he's got
[1:10:07] Speaker 3: a large bulbous head. He's pure white. He's large black
[1:10:12] Speaker 3: eyes that are perfectly round. They're not like the Hollywood version,
[1:10:16] Speaker 3: the elliptical eyes you see in these books and things
[1:10:20] Speaker 3: like that. This guy had perfectly round eyes that were
[1:10:23] Speaker 3: very large, almost no nose, no ears, and very skinny.
[1:10:29] Speaker 3: And to me, he was large because he was bigger
[1:10:31] Speaker 3: than I was. And the strange things, and kids notice
[1:10:37] Speaker 3: things sometimes adults don't notice or don't get right off
[1:10:41] Speaker 3: the bat. I noticed it. First of all, it's winter.
[1:10:43] Speaker 3: It's very cold. I'm under a lot of covers. And
[1:10:47] Speaker 3: he hasn't got any clothes on. And as I look
[1:10:52] Speaker 3: at him going down from his large bulbous head to
[1:10:55] Speaker 3: his black, large black eyes, which were mesmerizing, I look
[1:11:00] Speaker 3: at him and I notice he doesn't have any mammary glands.
[1:11:03] Speaker 3: He doesn't have a belly button and he doesn't have
[1:11:05] Speaker 3: a TT. If you don't have those things, We did,
[1:11:24] Speaker 3: so to speak. And second.
[1:11:26] Speaker 4: There, you froze up there for a minute.
[1:11:28] Speaker 1: You froze up after you were describing what he looked like.
[1:11:33] Speaker 4: You said he didn't have any genitals.
[1:11:35] Speaker 3: He didn't have any genitals whatsoever. And as a little kid,
[1:11:38] Speaker 3: four years old, he didn't have a TT. So I
[1:11:41] Speaker 3: realized he didn't have any equipment like we did. And
[1:11:45] Speaker 3: certainly not like I did. And so I just was
[1:11:48] Speaker 3: really confused by this whole event. But how do you
[1:11:51] Speaker 3: get my house, how to get in? And I mean,
[1:11:53] Speaker 3: where are your clothes? It's winter time. None of this
[1:11:56] Speaker 3: made sense to me. And I realized, of course, after
[1:12:00] Speaker 3: investigating years after this, that if you don't have genitals,
[1:12:05] Speaker 3: you're not procreating, and you don't have belly button, you
[1:12:08] Speaker 3: weren't born. You were either hatched, cloned, or manufactured. So
[1:12:11] Speaker 3: you got here some other way. So the question is,
[1:12:14] Speaker 3: who are you and why are you in my room?
[1:12:16] Speaker 3: And he never would answer those questions.
[1:12:20] Speaker 1: Wow, so was that the last encounter that you personally had?
[1:12:25] Speaker 3: No, it wasn't. There was, let me see. The best
[1:12:31] Speaker 3: way to describe this is I had events between four
[1:12:34] Speaker 3: and age 13, excuse me, age 17. And at age 17,
[1:12:39] Speaker 3: my events ended violently with five entities present that were
[1:12:44] Speaker 3: not even, still not in UFO literature to this date.
[1:12:48] Speaker 3: But the next major event was we moved from Mayhill,
[1:12:53] Speaker 3: excuse me, from Texas, excuse me, from Midland, Texas to Mayhill,
[1:13:00] Speaker 3: New Mexico, which is right in the middle of nowhere, basically.
[1:13:04] Speaker 3: It's a little tiny town. It's literally, you're on one
[1:13:09] Speaker 3: side of the street or the other. And it was
[1:13:12] Speaker 3: really hilarious because the Baptist lived on one side of
[1:13:16] Speaker 3: the street and the Church of Christ lived on the other.
[1:13:18] Speaker 3: And that's basically the way that the little town was divided.
[1:13:23] Speaker 3: But one night I walked out to, and this is again,
[1:13:30] Speaker 3: you know, about 1953, 54. It's, I mean, it's long
[1:13:38] Speaker 3: time ago. And we were building, my, my dad was,
[1:13:42] Speaker 3: was building a house, little house. And, we were living
[1:13:47] Speaker 3: in a basement of a building at this time. And
[1:13:51] Speaker 3: so there was, we had an outhouse and a outhouse
[1:13:54] Speaker 3: is an outdoor bathroom. And so we would, I went
[1:13:57] Speaker 3: out there that night to use the bathroom. And as
[1:14:01] Speaker 3: I opened the door to leave, there was the same
[1:14:06] Speaker 3: cosmic skinhead looking at me that was there before that
[1:14:09] Speaker 3: picked me up before. So this was a shock beyond
[1:14:14] Speaker 3: understanding again, because here he was, I was out in
[1:14:16] Speaker 3: the night. And as I shut the door there, he
[1:14:20] Speaker 3: was standing there. And the next thing I noticed is
[1:14:25] Speaker 3: the next day, which was Saturday, I was out pulling
[1:14:32] Speaker 3: the heads off of dozens and dozens of grasshoppers. And
[1:14:38] Speaker 3: I couldn't figure out, Why are you doing that? Why
[1:14:41] Speaker 3: would I be? Why am I killing these little insects?
[1:14:45] Speaker 3: I love animals and bugs and things like that. And
[1:14:48] Speaker 3: there are lots of them out there. And I couldn't
[1:14:51] Speaker 3: understand why I was doing this. And I finally pulled
[1:14:55] Speaker 3: one of the little bugs right next to my face.
[1:14:57] Speaker 3: And I looked at it real close. And I realized
[1:14:59] Speaker 3: that's not him. It was a praying mantis that got
[1:15:03] Speaker 3: me the night before. That's who they took me to.
[1:15:08] Speaker 3: It wasn't a... It wasn't the grasshopper. It was a
[1:15:12] Speaker 3: praying mantis.
[1:15:15] Speaker 1: Have you ever experienced anyone that has experienced military abductions?
[1:15:21] Speaker 3: This does show up once in a while in conversations.
[1:15:27] Speaker 3: In some of these events, I can tell you categorically
[1:15:30] Speaker 3: that the alien will lie. And they're the best. They
[1:15:36] Speaker 3: are masters at lying. using what I refer to as, uh,
[1:15:41] Speaker 3: the true, um, uh, Stockholm syndrome, but the true, uh,
[1:15:48] Speaker 3: masking of, uh, their actual intentions. In other words, they
[1:15:52] Speaker 3: can make you believe anything that they can make you believe, uh,
[1:15:57] Speaker 3: anything standing there, them or your relatives, deceased relatives doesn't
[1:16:02] Speaker 3: make any difference. They're, they're masters at this. And sometimes
[1:16:07] Speaker 3: they will, uh, develop a case where they'll have the
[1:16:11] Speaker 3: alien look like to you in your mind the military
[1:16:16] Speaker 3: and Sometimes they do that to make the abductee doubt
[1:16:19] Speaker 3: their own military is a good example in other cases.
[1:16:23] Speaker 3: We have Reason to believe that in fact some intelligence
[1:16:29] Speaker 3: agency was present and that they may have actually staged
[1:16:35] Speaker 3: the event and so that the quote unquote alien abduction
[1:16:39] Speaker 3: actually didn't happen. It was someone else staging it. And
[1:16:44] Speaker 3: that can happen. And I'll give you one good clear
[1:16:46] Speaker 3: example for your audience. I was on a radio show
[1:16:50] Speaker 3: long time ago, back in the 1990s, a very famous
[1:16:54] Speaker 3: show with a famous guy. And he said, he asked
[1:16:58] Speaker 3: this question about military abduction and so on. And What
[1:17:05] Speaker 3: happened was I got 600 phone calls and emails in
[1:17:10] Speaker 3: the next few days. One of the phone calls was
[1:17:12] Speaker 3: from a guy that as I spoke to him, I
[1:17:16] Speaker 3: realized I have a top figure, Terrence. And I realized
[1:17:19] Speaker 3: that guy's he is so far ahead of me is
[1:17:23] Speaker 3: way above my pay grade. And I told him, I said,
[1:17:26] Speaker 3: I need for you to get off the phone right now.
[1:17:29] Speaker 3: Immediately hang up, get off the phone and don't ever
[1:17:32] Speaker 3: call me again. And he said, but I'm an abductee.
[1:17:35] Speaker 3: He was actually crying. He was really upset. He's wanting help.
[1:17:39] Speaker 3: And he's the only person I've ever turned down for help.
[1:17:42] Speaker 3: And I said, listen to me carefully. I am not
[1:17:46] Speaker 3: that important. They monitor my websites and so on. I
[1:17:50] Speaker 3: know that I've got good intel on that. Crypto intelligence
[1:17:55] Speaker 3: operation guy told me one time in great detail of
[1:17:58] Speaker 3: what they were doing. And I told him, I said,
[1:18:02] Speaker 3: it's not me they're really interested in. It's who's contacting me.
[1:18:08] Speaker 3: And you're in a perfect position to lose your career. Now,
[1:18:13] Speaker 3: in his case, if he's really an abductee, and I
[1:18:16] Speaker 3: think that he was, it would behoove them in the
[1:18:20] Speaker 3: intelligence community to quote unquote, abduct him in a scenario,
[1:18:25] Speaker 3: which would make him think the alien was there again.
[1:18:28] Speaker 3: And then they would retrieve all that information and find out,
[1:18:31] Speaker 3: they would in effect find out if he was compromised
[1:18:35] Speaker 3: or if they were compromised. And under that circumstance, I
[1:18:38] Speaker 3: certainly could understand why an intelligence community would do something
[1:18:42] Speaker 3: like that.
[1:18:45] Speaker 4: Very interesting. Now, with your work, you actually... do.
[1:18:50] Speaker 1: Surgeries or assist with surgeries to remove implanted objects that
[1:18:56] Speaker 1: the extraterrestrial has placed in these in your uh in
[1:19:00] Speaker 1: your cases is that correct.
[1:19:02] Speaker 3: That is correct i've done 25 surgeries conducted 25 surgeries
[1:19:06] Speaker 3: thus far the last case that uh that we did
[1:19:09] Speaker 3: the surgery in was in India. In fact, I'll go
[1:19:12] Speaker 3: back hopefully this year and do two more surgeries on
[1:19:16] Speaker 3: the same patient because there were three objects in this
[1:19:21] Speaker 3: lady and the surgeon who, well, I hired the hospital
[1:19:27] Speaker 3: and then hired the surgeon through the hospital. And he
[1:19:32] Speaker 3: did not know what I was doing and I didn't
[1:19:35] Speaker 3: want him to know. He never knew anything about the
[1:19:38] Speaker 3: word implants or any alien or anything. As he began
[1:19:42] Speaker 3: to look at the x-rays of the other x-rays of
[1:19:47] Speaker 3: the lady, he said, this is absolutely fascinating. He looked
[1:19:52] Speaker 3: at me and said, Mr. Sims, when you come back
[1:19:54] Speaker 3: to New Delhi, would you allow me to do the
[1:19:57] Speaker 3: surgeries on these others? He said, these are far more
[1:20:00] Speaker 3: interesting than the ones you removed. And I said, I
[1:20:06] Speaker 3: certainly would. At that point, I knew none of these
[1:20:11] Speaker 3: objects were inside this woman of her own volition. She
[1:20:15] Speaker 3: did know that they were there. She was present and
[1:20:20] Speaker 3: was conscious during the time the entities were talking to her.
[1:20:25] Speaker 3: And it's fascinating because In the UFO phenomena, generally there
[1:20:33] Speaker 3: are seven flavors or kinds of entities that will show
[1:20:37] Speaker 3: up in these events. You may have, in my case,
[1:20:40] Speaker 3: like the one I had with the little gray alien,
[1:20:43] Speaker 3: and the second would be a taller alien, which looks
[1:20:46] Speaker 3: just like him, but he's taller and he's a lot
[1:20:49] Speaker 3: smarter than this. The little guys have an IQ about 80, 85.
[1:20:54] Speaker 3: They're not that smart, and they literally make so many mistakes,
[1:20:58] Speaker 3: sometimes you can't even get your clothes on right. The
[1:21:01] Speaker 3: second one is the, which sometimes people refer to him
[1:21:04] Speaker 3: as a doctor. He looks just like the alien. He's
[1:21:07] Speaker 3: just bigger. And he's a lot smarter. He's got an
[1:21:10] Speaker 3: IQ of about 130, 140. He's very smart. And if you're,
[1:21:16] Speaker 3: in some cases, a human entity will show up. Some
[1:21:22] Speaker 3: people refer to them as a Nordic. They will be
[1:21:26] Speaker 3: blondish hair, but that's not necessarily always true. They have
[1:21:29] Speaker 3: black-haired ones. They have red-haired ones. In fact, the Native
[1:21:35] Speaker 3: Americans a long time ago, we used to call them
[1:21:38] Speaker 3: secesas in different terms. They were the white men before
[1:21:43] Speaker 3: the white men got here and really befuddled. They couldn't
[1:21:47] Speaker 3: figure out who these guys were. And then sometimes you'll
[1:21:50] Speaker 3: see the mantis being who is extremely intelligent. And then
[1:21:55] Speaker 3: sometimes you'll see some of the guys that are more
[1:21:57] Speaker 3: in charge And that is in fact, the reptile. And
[1:22:05] Speaker 3: that's what she finally, they, the human ones brought her
[1:22:08] Speaker 3: the grace, the human was brought her in, introduced her
[1:22:12] Speaker 3: to the reptile guy. He lied to her, of course,
[1:22:16] Speaker 3: and said they were going to implant her in the,
[1:22:19] Speaker 3: up here in the clavicle area. And she wouldn't feel it.
[1:22:22] Speaker 3: She wouldn't know anything.
[1:22:23] Speaker 2: She did.
[1:22:24] Speaker 3: And it was very painful. And they also put in
[1:22:27] Speaker 3: two other implants, which they did not intend for me
[1:22:30] Speaker 3: to find. They intended for me or someone to find
[1:22:34] Speaker 3: the first one. They said it would never be noticed.
[1:22:36] Speaker 3: She would never feel anything. Well, it's very obvious. It
[1:22:39] Speaker 3: was a pretty good size bump on her, above her
[1:22:42] Speaker 3: clavicle in the shoulder muscle area. And it just, it just,
[1:22:47] Speaker 3: it was a lie. That's all there is to it.
[1:22:50] Speaker 3: Now the other two were very well, situated very well
[1:22:54] Speaker 3: placed in the side and in the thigh. That's the
[1:22:57] Speaker 3: two that the surgeon was absolutely fascinated with. And I
[1:23:03] Speaker 3: still hadn't told him anything, but basically these things are,
[1:23:11] Speaker 3: they're invasive to say the very least. The objects are,
[1:23:16] Speaker 3: they retrieve or in our opinion, retrieve or transmit information
[1:23:22] Speaker 3: to the abductee, to the alien. In other words, aliens
[1:23:25] Speaker 3: sometimes can come to a person and you may never
[1:23:29] Speaker 3: physically be taken anywhere. You may be just there. And
[1:23:32] Speaker 3: the reason is he doesn't have to take you because
[1:23:35] Speaker 3: there's no point in it. All he can do is
[1:23:37] Speaker 3: download or upload the information. It doesn't make any difference. Now,
[1:23:41] Speaker 3: the fascinating thing, and this is really important for your
[1:23:43] Speaker 3: audience to know this, there's a lot of stuff on
[1:23:47] Speaker 3: the internet that is simply misleading about the alien implants.
[1:23:52] Speaker 3: Number one, they're very rare. Number two, if you're an abductee,
[1:23:57] Speaker 3: it is highly unlikely that you have an implant. Highly.
[1:24:01] Speaker 3: I look at hundreds of x-rays every year, and I
[1:24:04] Speaker 3: can assure you most of these people do not have
[1:24:07] Speaker 3: alien implants. They just don't.
[1:24:11] Speaker 4: Now, have you ever had any of these tested?
[1:24:15] Speaker 3: We have. The first... the first cases we made public
[1:24:21] Speaker 3: were in 1995. And the two of them, one of
[1:24:28] Speaker 3: them came from the hand and one of another one
[1:24:31] Speaker 3: came from another patient from the top of her foot.
[1:24:34] Speaker 3: And in that case, they had, there were three objects
[1:24:39] Speaker 3: removed from the woman and one from the back of
[1:24:41] Speaker 3: the man's hand. And the cases were fascinating. And, but
[1:24:45] Speaker 3: the bottom line is, It doesn't matter if it's a
[1:24:48] Speaker 3: foreign object. What is it? And if it isn't extraterrestrial,
[1:24:52] Speaker 3: it can't be an alien implant. Well, that's a bad assumption.
[1:24:57] Speaker 3: The alien uses things of this planet all the time.
[1:25:02] Speaker 3: But to answer the big question, was it extraterrestrial? Of
[1:25:05] Speaker 3: course it was. But it still doesn't miss the point.
[1:25:11] Speaker 3: It misses the point that the alien can use and
[1:25:15] Speaker 3: does use things that are biological or whatever are about us.
[1:25:20] Speaker 3: But in this case, the metal objects that were retrieved
[1:25:24] Speaker 3: were tested by Los Alamos and the Mexico Tech. And
[1:25:28] Speaker 3: they found the objects to be from a rare meteorite
[1:25:32] Speaker 3: called the Wittmannstätten, the Yauchung meteorite. And they developed a
[1:25:38] Speaker 3: special microscope that fired a laser into it, into the implants,
[1:25:44] Speaker 3: and it contained the gases They would come off of
[1:25:47] Speaker 3: that implant and they found 11 different elements surrounding the
[1:25:51] Speaker 3: so-called meteorite or little needle-like projections a quarter inch long
[1:25:56] Speaker 3: that made no sense to them. We found a crystalline
[1:25:59] Speaker 3: belt surrounding one of the implants that made no sense
[1:26:02] Speaker 3: to anyone. What would that be doing on a meteorite?
[1:26:06] Speaker 3: Of course, we never told them that these so-called meteorites
[1:26:10] Speaker 3: were housed in a biological cocoon that the pathologist said
[1:26:14] Speaker 3: was simply impossible to be in that location.
[1:26:19] Speaker 4: Very fascinating.
[1:26:21] Speaker 1: And so I understand not only have you seen implants,
[1:26:26] Speaker 1: but there have actually been entities. I would guess you
[1:26:30] Speaker 1: would say being women being impregnated with entities.
[1:26:35] Speaker 4: Is that correct?
[1:26:37] Speaker 3: That is correct. There was a, it's just kind of
[1:26:40] Speaker 3: a funny story. And I have some good friends that
[1:26:43] Speaker 3: are MUFON people, so I don't want to belittle anyone here.
[1:26:47] Speaker 3: But MUFON had just come out with a statement that
[1:26:50] Speaker 3: many of these women who claimed these so-called pregnancies, alien pregnancies,
[1:26:55] Speaker 3: in fact, they were not alien, that women simply didn't
[1:26:59] Speaker 3: know their bodies or that they were hallucinating, various different answers.
[1:27:05] Speaker 3: Many doctors do this. They're going to give a prosaic
[1:27:09] Speaker 3: answer to these people because it simply can't be true. Well,
[1:27:14] Speaker 3: a friend of mine who was at one of the
[1:27:16] Speaker 3: top investigators in MUFON at the time invited me to
[1:27:19] Speaker 3: his home up in Minnesota, and there were a bunch
[1:27:21] Speaker 3: of MUFON investigators there. He said, I'd like for you
[1:27:24] Speaker 3: to give a small conference to these people. I said,
[1:27:26] Speaker 3: I'd be glad to. What would you like for the
[1:27:28] Speaker 3: subject to be on? He said, well, of course, alien implants.
[1:27:32] Speaker 3: I said, but they don't exist according to MUFON in
[1:27:35] Speaker 3: the sense of the word, um, the worst implant in
[1:27:41] Speaker 3: my opinion. And that is that the alien would literally
[1:27:47] Speaker 3: install an alien fetus inside a human being. And so
[1:27:52] Speaker 3: I did the implant presentation. Everybody was very impressed, very happy.
[1:27:56] Speaker 3: And then I said, here's the worst implant that ever
[1:27:58] Speaker 3: was in my opinion. And then I showed them sonograms
[1:28:03] Speaker 3: of an alien entity in a woman. I'm telling you,
[1:28:09] Speaker 3: you could have dropped a pin on a carpet and
[1:28:11] Speaker 3: heard it hit. They did not move. They didn't say
[1:28:15] Speaker 3: a word. And they were horrified to see this alien
[1:28:19] Speaker 3: fetus inside this woman. And the worst part of it
[1:28:23] Speaker 3: was I said, and for those of you who think
[1:28:25] Speaker 3: this might be Photoshopped or something like that, I have
[1:28:28] Speaker 3: the sonograms. These are pictures of the sonograms. And second,
[1:28:35] Speaker 3: this is a, fascinating story because I didn't believe any
[1:28:38] Speaker 3: of it. Because a woman came to me with a
[1:28:41] Speaker 3: story that involved something of the intelligence community and the alien.
[1:28:49] Speaker 3: Not together, but one spying on the other. The intelligence
[1:28:53] Speaker 3: community was spying on the alien. And this, I just
[1:28:56] Speaker 3: didn't believe it. What a whopper. And then I got
[1:29:03] Speaker 3: the sonograms. I took the sonograms on my trip to
[1:29:07] Speaker 3: the United Kingdom to the finest fetal hospital, the baby
[1:29:12] Speaker 3: hospital you could imagine. And I met a doctor there
[1:29:17] Speaker 3: and I said, I'm a proud investigator in the state
[1:29:19] Speaker 3: of the United Texas and I would like for you
[1:29:22] Speaker 3: to look at these sonograms and I just tossed them
[1:29:25] Speaker 3: on the table in random and said tell me what
[1:29:28] Speaker 3: you think of them I said this is not a
[1:29:30] Speaker 3: criminal case I'm just looking at these wondering are they
[1:29:34] Speaker 3: valid are they real or is there anything are they
[1:29:37] Speaker 3: okay and she said I'll bring in a consult and
[1:29:40] Speaker 3: she's a specialist she brought in another consult and they
[1:29:44] Speaker 3: both looked at everything and she started rearranging the sonograms
[1:29:48] Speaker 3: and she said wait a minute This doesn't make any sense.
[1:29:52] Speaker 3: That's not right. I said, what is it that's not right, doctor?
[1:29:57] Speaker 3: She said, whoever took these sonograms was not interested in
[1:30:02] Speaker 3: the fetal development of the fetus whatsoever. See, that's not there.
[1:30:13] Speaker 3: This should be there. And she said, oh my God,
[1:30:17] Speaker 3: what a strange little head. I mean, a long pointed
[1:30:22] Speaker 3: chin and a large bulbous head. This just doesn't make
[1:30:25] Speaker 3: any sense. And I gathered up the sonograms, put them
[1:30:30] Speaker 3: back in my pocket. So I want to thank you
[1:30:32] Speaker 3: for your assistance. And they just stood there with their
[1:30:35] Speaker 3: mouths open. They could not figure out what in the
[1:30:37] Speaker 3: world this fetus was. They were looking at the fetus
[1:30:42] Speaker 3: of an alien entity inside this woman. And the scenario
[1:30:46] Speaker 3: goes like this. The alien then comes back and picks
[1:30:51] Speaker 3: up the fetus within the first trimester. And then you
[1:30:54] Speaker 3: have this so-called spontaneous abortion, or you think you do.
[1:30:59] Speaker 3: And there's no fetus, there's no residue, there's nothing. And
[1:31:05] Speaker 3: the worst case scenario, you'll be pregnant and your doctor
[1:31:08] Speaker 3: will diagnose you with a dual pregnancy. And this is
[1:31:13] Speaker 3: not uncommon at all with women that go through this phenomena.
[1:31:17] Speaker 3: You'll end up only having one child and there's no
[1:31:19] Speaker 3: fetus of the other one, it's gone. What's worse than
[1:31:23] Speaker 3: all of that is your child five, six years old
[1:31:27] Speaker 3: becomes an abductee. And they say, mama, why didn't you
[1:31:30] Speaker 3: tell me about my sister? What are you talking about?
[1:31:34] Speaker 3: My sister, you don't have a sister. Yes, I do.
[1:31:37] Speaker 3: I met her last night on that craft. And the
[1:31:42] Speaker 3: mother just horrified.
[1:31:45] Speaker 1: Wow. Now, what do you think some of the purposes
[1:31:49] Speaker 1: of these, you know, the fetuses would be? Are they
[1:31:56] Speaker 1: using it for some sort of genetic experiments, do you think?
[1:32:01] Speaker 3: Well, again, I want to kind of make this, I'm
[1:32:07] Speaker 3: not very kind to the alien, as you can imagine.
[1:32:09] Speaker 3: They call me the alien hunter. Evidence means everything to me.
[1:32:15] Speaker 3: I don't care. too much about opinion and or even mine,
[1:32:19] Speaker 3: because I use seven different hats to look at this phenomenon.
[1:32:24] Speaker 3: One of them is the Native American hat, one of
[1:32:26] Speaker 3: them is a science hat, one's a medical hat, one's
[1:32:29] Speaker 3: an intelligence hat, and so on and so on. All
[1:32:33] Speaker 3: these give me seven different viewpoints to look at the
[1:32:36] Speaker 3: same phenomenon. Some of the hats don't even agree with
[1:32:39] Speaker 3: each other. It doesn't matter to me. It only matters
[1:32:42] Speaker 3: what I find with the hats. Most of us have
[1:32:46] Speaker 3: a UFO hat. The problem with the UFO hat is
[1:32:50] Speaker 3: it can be fooled. And it often has. It's been
[1:32:54] Speaker 3: fooled by the intelligence community. It's been fooled by fake
[1:32:57] Speaker 3: UFO people. It's been fooled by liars in the UFO community.
[1:33:02] Speaker 3: It's easy to fool. And that hat is a fun
[1:33:06] Speaker 3: hat to wear, but it's a mistake to rely upon
[1:33:10] Speaker 3: only that hat. I just think it is. So one
[1:33:14] Speaker 3: of the things I want to say to you and
[1:33:16] Speaker 3: your audience is there's three levels of truth with the alien.
[1:33:21] Speaker 3: The first thing they tell you or the first thing
[1:33:24] Speaker 3: that you see with the alien, for the most part,
[1:33:27] Speaker 3: is not true. For instance, well, they must be doing
[1:33:32] Speaker 3: DNA experiments on me or on us. Why? They're here
[1:33:37] Speaker 3: to upgrade us or something like that. No, that's the ruse.
[1:33:43] Speaker 3: The alien is not told the true story of their
[1:33:46] Speaker 3: origins and everything else to anyone yet. They keep making
[1:33:51] Speaker 3: up other stories. Every country I go to has a
[1:33:54] Speaker 3: different story. I went to Turkey. They said, oh, we
[1:33:58] Speaker 3: don't have any aliens here. They don't do that. And
[1:34:00] Speaker 3: I said, actually, they do. And he said, you got
[1:34:03] Speaker 3: to listen to me for seven hours on the flight
[1:34:04] Speaker 3: on the way to Turkey. He said, that's fascinating, but
[1:34:07] Speaker 3: we don't have that here in Turkey. I said, yes,
[1:34:09] Speaker 3: you do. He said, no, we don't. I said, tell
[1:34:11] Speaker 3: me about the djinn of Islam. And he got scared
[1:34:15] Speaker 3: and said, we don't talk about that. They might never
[1:34:18] Speaker 3: bring you back. You don't talk about them. I said, okay.
[1:34:21] Speaker 3: It's the same group of guys, buddy. It doesn't make
[1:34:24] Speaker 3: any difference. You can cloak it with your religion. You
[1:34:27] Speaker 3: can cloak it with mythology. You can cloak it with science.
[1:34:31] Speaker 3: You can cloak it with medical stuff. It doesn't make
[1:34:34] Speaker 3: any difference. It's still a whopper. So that's the first thing.
[1:34:38] Speaker 3: The first impression or information you usually get from the
[1:34:41] Speaker 3: alien is incorrect. And I'll use myself as an example.
[1:34:47] Speaker 3: When the alien was there and I realized he wasn't
[1:34:50] Speaker 3: supposed to be there and I didn't know who he was.
[1:34:53] Speaker 3: I wasn't paralyzed. I wasn't afraid. I wasn't anything. Four
[1:34:56] Speaker 3: years old in bed there. And I'm sitting up in bed.
[1:34:59] Speaker 3: And the next thing I realized is his eyes moved.
[1:35:05] Speaker 3: There was a certain small amount of movement in his eyes.
[1:35:08] Speaker 3: And I could see that clearly because there was an
[1:35:10] Speaker 3: ambient light in the room. And from the outside, our
[1:35:13] Speaker 3: well house had a light on the outside and shone
[1:35:15] Speaker 3: through my window so I could see him clearly. And
[1:35:18] Speaker 3: I instantly became paralyzed. I have never in my life
[1:35:24] Speaker 3: felt fear. At four years old, you don't know a
[1:35:27] Speaker 3: whole lot about fear or anything. And all of a
[1:35:30] Speaker 3: sudden my whole world changed. And I finally realized after
[1:35:34] Speaker 3: becoming an investigator, and then I've got over 2000 cases worldwide.
[1:35:39] Speaker 3: And I realized at that point, This guy, this is
[1:35:44] Speaker 3: not my fear. This is his fear. He's transferring his
[1:35:49] Speaker 3: fear to me. They live in a structured society that's
[1:35:52] Speaker 3: so different than anything you and I can imagine. We
[1:35:57] Speaker 3: apply humanness to them saying, oh, they must be doing
[1:36:00] Speaker 3: DNA tests. They must be doing this. They don't have
[1:36:03] Speaker 3: to be doing anything you think. The things that we're
[1:36:07] Speaker 3: given to think about were given to us and are
[1:36:10] Speaker 3: often patently untrue. The second level of truth, and this
[1:36:15] Speaker 3: is going to sting a little bit, is they give
[1:36:18] Speaker 3: us misleading information. And to the best investigators out there,
[1:36:22] Speaker 3: are you ready for this? You're often spoon-fed your best information.
[1:36:28] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:36:31] Speaker 3: And I'm not a conspiracist. Don't get me wrong. There's
[1:36:35] Speaker 3: a lady who's been with me for 25 years, Jolene
[1:36:37] Speaker 3: Ray Harrington. And she came by one night when I
[1:36:40] Speaker 3: was doing a presentation and this was in California and
[1:36:46] Speaker 3: she heard my presentation. She came by and she said,
[1:36:49] Speaker 3: I said, do you have a question you want to
[1:36:50] Speaker 3: ask her anything? She said, well, I'm not a groupie.
[1:36:52] Speaker 3: I said, I didn't think you were. She said, I
[1:36:55] Speaker 3: just want to ask you this question. You made an
[1:36:57] Speaker 3: astounding statement up there and Dr. Jacobs has spoken. You
[1:37:02] Speaker 3: had just spoken and you said, the best investigators are
[1:37:07] Speaker 3: often spoon-fed their information. I said, they are. She said,
[1:37:13] Speaker 3: how about you? I said, I'm no better than anybody else,
[1:37:16] Speaker 3: as they spoon-feed me too, whenever they think I need
[1:37:20] Speaker 3: it to get me off course because I'm too close
[1:37:22] Speaker 3: to a truth. She says, well, I don't get it.
[1:37:27] Speaker 3: And I said, listen to me. The only difference between
[1:37:31] Speaker 3: me and many other investigators is they don't know it.
[1:37:35] Speaker 3: They think they just got great, unbelievable cases, the best intel,
[1:37:40] Speaker 3: the best everything. They truly get it. And I said,
[1:37:45] Speaker 3: when you're spoon-fed, you have to know that somebody's pulling
[1:37:49] Speaker 3: your chain big time. And I said, I've discovered fluorescence,
[1:37:54] Speaker 3: an alien fingerprint, basically on abductees of fluorescence that we
[1:37:59] Speaker 3: checked them with. I discovered implants in 1970. 60 in
[1:38:05] Speaker 3: my own case because that's where I discovered implantation because
[1:38:09] Speaker 3: I went through it myself and fluorescence we found on
[1:38:13] Speaker 3: on people in 1992 I said my point is simply
[1:38:17] Speaker 3: this anytime you get close to the alien I don't
[1:38:23] Speaker 3: care how smart you are they're going to spoon feed
[1:38:27] Speaker 3: you something new something so unique something so good. You're
[1:38:32] Speaker 3: just not going to be able to leave that thing alone.
[1:38:35] Speaker 3: And the third thing, the first is your first level
[1:38:39] Speaker 3: of information is either false and patently untrue. Second level,
[1:38:43] Speaker 3: it's misleading or you're spoon fed if you're a really
[1:38:47] Speaker 3: good investigator. And if you're not spoon-fed anything, you don't
[1:38:50] Speaker 3: have to worry about anything because they don't need to
[1:38:53] Speaker 3: feed you anything. You're already on the wrong track. And
[1:38:56] Speaker 3: third is when you get close to the real issue.
[1:39:00] Speaker 3: Now you've got problems. And then you will have intelligence
[1:39:04] Speaker 3: people and other people watching you very closely because it's
[1:39:08] Speaker 3: not you they're interested in. You're not the big shot.
[1:39:11] Speaker 3: I'm not the big shot. It's the level of information
[1:39:15] Speaker 3: you're getting. And they know it's true. because they already
[1:39:18] Speaker 3: have it themselves. That's when you know that there's a problem.
[1:39:23] Speaker 3: So that's, and I'll go back to myself very quickly.
[1:39:27] Speaker 3: The reason, after I became paralyzed, the entity started walking
[1:39:30] Speaker 3: toward me. I was so scared, I pushed, I had
[1:39:33] Speaker 3: a little cot I slept on and I pushed so
[1:39:36] Speaker 3: hard when I fell backwards, I was so paralyzed and
[1:39:39] Speaker 3: scared that it pushed the bed apart and I fell,
[1:39:43] Speaker 3: it made a Y between the wall and the bed
[1:39:45] Speaker 3: and I fell between the two I still wrapped in
[1:39:48] Speaker 3: my covers. I bounced my little head off the floor.
[1:39:51] Speaker 3: And the worst nightmare of any child could ever have happened.
[1:39:55] Speaker 3: It couldn't get to me easily. So it lifted up
[1:39:57] Speaker 3: my covers under the bottom of the bed and lifted
[1:40:00] Speaker 3: it and stuck its big head right up next to
[1:40:03] Speaker 3: my face. With that large black eye. Shift. It projected
[1:40:12] Speaker 3: an image of a horrifying clown. It wanted me to
[1:40:17] Speaker 3: remember it as a clown. It's a perfect, this is
[1:40:23] Speaker 3: the perfect screensaver memory where they give you a false
[1:40:27] Speaker 3: image of literally false memory syndrome was started by the alien.
[1:40:32] Speaker 3: There are masters at it. And he wanted me to
[1:40:35] Speaker 3: remember him as a clown. And it was a bad dream.
[1:40:38] Speaker 3: And I kept shaking my little head. No, no, no, no.
[1:40:41] Speaker 3: And at age four, if I could resist, you can,
[1:40:44] Speaker 3: resist at age 20, 30, 40, 50, 80, doesn't matter.
[1:40:49] Speaker 3: You can resist, you can do differently, and you can
[1:40:54] Speaker 3: acquire different kinds of information through resistance. And I had
[1:41:00] Speaker 3: a horrifying image of clowns after that. I knew he
[1:41:05] Speaker 3: wasn't a clown. The clown that was trying to make
[1:41:08] Speaker 3: me believe something else wasn't a clown that he wanted
[1:41:10] Speaker 3: me to think he was. And many abductees have a
[1:41:14] Speaker 3: horrifying imagery of clowns and horrific fears of them.
[1:41:20] Speaker 1: That would make sense as to why some people might
[1:41:23] Speaker 1: see animals or dead loved ones or something during an abduction.
[1:41:29] Speaker 2: Is that true?
[1:41:30] Speaker 3: Absolutely true. Absolutely true. One lady called me not long
[1:41:34] Speaker 3: ago is a dear friend of mine out in California.
[1:41:37] Speaker 3: And she said, she said, well, uh, I had an
[1:41:41] Speaker 3: event the other night and I said, well, sweetie, tell
[1:41:43] Speaker 3: me what happened. She says, well, I heard the doorbell ring.
[1:41:48] Speaker 3: I said, sweetie, you and your husband live upstairs in
[1:41:50] Speaker 3: a large home. How did you hear the doorbell ring
[1:41:55] Speaker 3: at three in the morning? And it's usually 2-11, 3-11, 4-11.
[1:42:02] Speaker 3: It's usually the timeframe of where you get abducted is
[1:42:05] Speaker 3: usually a multiple of, it's a 1-11 scenario. I was
[1:42:09] Speaker 3: born on one 11. So I know this stuff very well. Anyway,
[1:42:14] Speaker 3: she said around downstairs, but listen to me, why would
[1:42:17] Speaker 3: you get up to go answer the doorbell at three
[1:42:21] Speaker 3: 11 in the morning and your husband, your daughter, nobody
[1:42:25] Speaker 3: woke up only you. And why would you run to
[1:42:28] Speaker 3: the door and just swing it open at three 11
[1:42:31] Speaker 3: in the morning? You know, I wonder who that might be.
[1:42:33] Speaker 4: Right.
[1:42:34] Speaker 3: It was my, my dad, uh, relative. I said, anything
[1:42:39] Speaker 3: unusual about your dead relative? Other than the fact that
[1:42:43] Speaker 3: he was dead? And she said, well, he had kind
[1:42:46] Speaker 3: of a greenish color to him and I couldn't understand that.
[1:42:48] Speaker 3: I said, what did you do, sweetie? She said, I
[1:42:52] Speaker 3: just went jogging like I do it. Sometimes I jog
[1:42:55] Speaker 3: at night. I said, you went out there. Oh, my God.
[1:43:01] Speaker 3: Perfect Stockholm syndrome with these abductees and contactees. will basically
[1:43:10] Speaker 3: go along with anything the alien will project to these people,
[1:43:13] Speaker 3: anything at all. It's absolutely amazing what they'll go along with.
[1:43:17] Speaker 3: And they're completely hoodwinked by the stuff. And they're being
[1:43:21] Speaker 3: truthful themselves, but they don't know what's going on with them.
[1:43:27] Speaker 1: Now, earlier you had said that in most of these
[1:43:30] Speaker 1: cases that there's reptilians in charge. Now, is that something
[1:43:36] Speaker 1: that you experience all around in most every case that
[1:43:40] Speaker 1: there's usually a reptilian in charge?
[1:43:44] Speaker 3: A great question. And the best way to frame this
[1:43:46] Speaker 3: for your audience, I think, is to let me describe
[1:43:49] Speaker 3: the entities carefully. And again, this is going to sting
[1:43:52] Speaker 3: to some of them a little. First, you got the
[1:43:55] Speaker 3: little gray, you got the taller one, the gray, that's
[1:44:00] Speaker 3: the boss, that's the doctor type. You've got a reptile guy.
[1:44:05] Speaker 3: You've got a praying mantis guy. You've got a human
[1:44:07] Speaker 3: being type guy, some people called the Nordic. And you've
[1:44:10] Speaker 3: got another guy standing over there called Bigfoot. Yes, we've
[1:44:17] Speaker 3: seen him in abductions. We've seen him on the craft.
[1:44:20] Speaker 3: He's been there. I can give you some absolutely incredible information.
[1:44:25] Speaker 3: Eight witnesses at one time saw all seven of these
[1:44:28] Speaker 3: flavors standing there. And my point is simply this. This
[1:44:35] Speaker 3: is critical to understand if you're going to understand anything
[1:44:40] Speaker 3: about the alien. These are not alien races you're looking at.
[1:44:46] Speaker 3: You're looking at seven different DNA models. If you look
[1:44:54] Speaker 3: at them carefully, again, take off your UFO hat because
[1:44:57] Speaker 3: it's not going to help you here. You're going to say, well,
[1:45:00] Speaker 3: there's aliens from other planets. No, they're not. There may
[1:45:04] Speaker 3: be aliens from other planets out there somewhere, but these
[1:45:07] Speaker 3: guys are not them. You say, how do you know that? Well,
[1:45:10] Speaker 3: first of all, put your cop hat on for a minute.
[1:45:14] Speaker 3: It may be a little uncomfortable, but put it on
[1:45:16] Speaker 3: and I'll help you with it. Let's look at, just
[1:45:19] Speaker 3: look at them critically. First of all, the reptile, where
[1:45:26] Speaker 3: in the world are you going to find reptile DNA?
[1:45:29] Speaker 3: You probably won't find it on Jupiter. Probably won't find
[1:45:32] Speaker 3: it on Zeta Radicula, but you might find it on
[1:45:35] Speaker 3: planet Earth. Got plenty of reptiles here. Lots of DNA
[1:45:39] Speaker 3: to make that. Well, what about human beings? Well, we
[1:45:42] Speaker 3: got plenty of human beings here. Where do you suppose
[1:45:45] Speaker 3: they got the human being DNA? Well, I don't know.
[1:45:48] Speaker 3: Maybe Saturn or somewhere? Probably not. So what about Bigfoot? Well,
[1:45:55] Speaker 3: we have ape-like creatures here all over the planet, don't we?
[1:45:59] Speaker 3: Where in the world would you get simian DNA? probably
[1:46:02] Speaker 3: planet earth planet earth is a cosmic walmart for dna
[1:46:06] Speaker 3: that's where they're getting this stuff and you take the
[1:46:09] Speaker 3: dna back out out there in the neighborhood in our
[1:46:13] Speaker 3: solar system we have a pretty good idea where and
[1:46:16] Speaker 3: the point is you can recreate quote-unquote alien beings to
[1:46:22] Speaker 3: come down here and convince people that they're alien beings
[1:46:25] Speaker 3: from other planets In fact, the alien himself may not
[1:46:28] Speaker 3: know the difference because he's a program in itself. And
[1:46:34] Speaker 3: what I'm trying to tell your audience, these beings are hatched, cloned, manufactured,
[1:46:38] Speaker 3: made with the purpose of making us believe that they
[1:46:44] Speaker 3: are aliens from other planets. There may be aliens from
[1:46:46] Speaker 3: other planets. I'm not knocking that. I don't know. I
[1:46:50] Speaker 3: hadn't been out there. I don't know everything that's out there.
[1:46:53] Speaker 3: But I do know a lot about these seven characters.
[1:46:56] Speaker 3: And I'm telling you that they are not it. And
[1:47:01] Speaker 3: so the real question is, why are they here? One
[1:47:05] Speaker 3: of my native friends, because there's two views, primary views
[1:47:08] Speaker 3: among natives. One is they're here to help us to
[1:47:11] Speaker 3: save the planet, fix sales on hold and so on.
[1:47:14] Speaker 3: And two is the other group, like some of my
[1:47:17] Speaker 3: Cree friends up in Canada, They're not here to help
[1:47:24] Speaker 3: us at all. In fact, they're here to do some
[1:47:26] Speaker 3: terrible things. We better wake up. So my point is
[1:47:30] Speaker 3: simply this. If you buy into their goodness or the
[1:47:34] Speaker 3: program they're running on you is not harmful in any way.
[1:47:38] Speaker 3: In fact, it's pleasant. You're going to consider them aliens
[1:47:41] Speaker 3: from other planets and it's a wonderful thing. If you
[1:47:45] Speaker 3: are like me and you wake up and you realize,
[1:47:48] Speaker 3: oh my gosh, there's something wrong with this picture. I
[1:47:52] Speaker 3: need a new hat. I need another way to look
[1:47:56] Speaker 3: at these guys. And so I told my native friends,
[1:47:58] Speaker 3: they said, but we call these, I said, what do
[1:48:00] Speaker 3: you call them? He said, we call them the ant people.
[1:48:03] Speaker 3: I said, listen to me carefully. You're my good friend.
[1:48:09] Speaker 3: If they're called the ant people, why do they call
[1:48:11] Speaker 3: them ant people? He said, because they live underground. I said,
[1:48:13] Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that either. But listen to me.
[1:48:17] Speaker 3: I said, in the ancient pictographs, on the caves and
[1:48:22] Speaker 3: walls around the world, and especially in this country, you'll
[1:48:28] Speaker 3: see some of these, these pictographs are over a thousand
[1:48:31] Speaker 3: years old, at least a thousand, some of them much older.
[1:48:34] Speaker 3: You'll actually see some of these entities with little antenna
[1:48:38] Speaker 3: on their head. They look, like ants. Look at an
[1:48:43] Speaker 3: ant head closely and look at the alien head and
[1:48:46] Speaker 3: see if you don't see a similarity. No wonder you
[1:48:49] Speaker 3: call them the ant people. The DNA is still from here.
[1:48:53] Speaker 3: You're missing the whole point. And that's what I try
[1:48:57] Speaker 3: to get across to my friends.
[1:48:59] Speaker 1: Now, if these are just cloned entities for interaction with us,
[1:49:05] Speaker 1: would you say there's someone else over them in charge?
[1:49:09] Speaker 3: Somebody would have to be in charge because it's like
[1:49:14] Speaker 3: we can take this down on a human level too
[1:49:16] Speaker 3: and say, well, we just got here by accident. Well,
[1:49:19] Speaker 3: that's possible. I don't buy that because this is, in
[1:49:25] Speaker 3: my view, an observer created the universe and science has
[1:49:29] Speaker 3: been behind that for a long time. And your observation
[1:49:32] Speaker 3: on anything can alter it. And somebody's been observing us
[1:49:36] Speaker 3: and And all of this, and this is how it's
[1:49:39] Speaker 3: coming to you. And God is a good answer for it, generically.
[1:49:44] Speaker 3: But there are other things too. And the things out
[1:49:47] Speaker 3: there are the ones who made hats and cloned and
[1:49:51] Speaker 3: manufactured these guys to do the work for them surreptitiously.
[1:49:57] Speaker 3: And if you ask the alien about this, you'll get
[1:49:59] Speaker 3: things like, we're Mercedes Ridiculi.
[1:50:03] Speaker 1: And you.
[1:50:05] Speaker 3: Or they'll say we're from Saturn or we're from Venus. Well,
[1:50:08] Speaker 3: if Venus is a little hot right now, you probably
[1:50:10] Speaker 3: get a real bad sunburn if you tried to come
[1:50:12] Speaker 3: from Venus at all. Real hot place there. And might
[1:50:17] Speaker 3: get a little cold on Saturn. I don't know. But
[1:50:21] Speaker 3: it doesn't make any sense. Their stories are whoppers. It's
[1:50:25] Speaker 3: like me asking somebody in a crime, you know, where
[1:50:28] Speaker 3: did you just come from? I came from Walmart.
[1:50:33] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:50:33] Speaker 3: Okay. Well, Walmart's not anywhere around here. I meant the
[1:50:37] Speaker 3: grocery store. There's no closed grocery store here. I meant
[1:50:43] Speaker 3: the little dollar store over there. You're making the whole
[1:50:48] Speaker 3: thing up. You're just exchanging. And they do this a
[1:50:53] Speaker 3: lot to people. And anytime somebody lies to you consistently,
[1:50:59] Speaker 3: and I'll make it personal, anytime a guy lies to
[1:51:02] Speaker 3: his girlfriend consistently, She needs to find another boyfriend. He's lying.
[1:51:08] Speaker 3: He's telling swappers. Anytime the alien lies to you and
[1:51:12] Speaker 3: you catch him lying, and if you know what you're doing,
[1:51:15] Speaker 3: you can actually catch him, you need to rethink your
[1:51:20] Speaker 3: position of who he really is and who he is,
[1:51:25] Speaker 3: number one, and two, what the program is that he's
[1:51:29] Speaker 3: running on you that you don't even know about.
[1:51:31] Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.
[1:51:34] Speaker 3: That's the real conspiracy.
[1:51:37] Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree.
[1:51:39] Speaker 1: And, you know, I always did see the greys, you know,
[1:51:42] Speaker 1: from all the stories you hear as more of a
[1:51:44] Speaker 1: robotic type of entity, just kind of like a worker bee.
[1:51:49] Speaker 3: Okay, I can help with that, I think. We have
[1:51:55] Speaker 3: reasonably good evidence that some of these entities are biomechanical,
[1:52:02] Speaker 3: One of our abductees tore the eye cover off of
[1:52:05] Speaker 3: one of them on two different occasions, and we saw
[1:52:07] Speaker 3: a red stippled screen underneath the black eye with little
[1:52:12] Speaker 3: white lines, five little white lines running there, like you
[1:52:16] Speaker 3: might see on a computer screen in a medical hospital.
[1:52:20] Speaker 3: That would indicate he's biomechanical. So that's a pretty good
[1:52:23] Speaker 3: indicator right off the bat. Some of them appear to
[1:52:26] Speaker 3: be completely mechanical. They even, when they walk together, they
[1:52:30] Speaker 3: even move in motion. Harmony. And others appear to be
[1:52:36] Speaker 3: bio entities. They're biological for sure. The thing that seems
[1:52:42] Speaker 3: consistent with many abductees and even some contactees that wake
[1:52:46] Speaker 3: up and realize, oh my gosh, there's something wrong with
[1:52:49] Speaker 3: this picture, is they'll say the same thing. And here's
[1:52:52] Speaker 3: the thing they say. I mean, this is, especially if
[1:52:55] Speaker 3: you touch them. One lady reached over and touched one
[1:52:58] Speaker 3: of them on the chest. She says, and she's a contactee,
[1:53:01] Speaker 3: by the way. And that means she likes these guys.
[1:53:04] Speaker 3: She said, oh my God, he has no soul. Well, bingo,
[1:53:10] Speaker 3: he's hatched, cloned, and manufactured. God's not in that picture.
[1:53:16] Speaker 3: Somebody else is. Right.
[1:53:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, that would definitely make sense. Now, I'd like to
[1:53:24] Speaker 1: get into your methods of collecting evidence from a scene.
[1:53:30] Speaker 1: How do you go about collecting evidence from an abduction scene?
[1:53:35] Speaker 3: Okay, very, very good point. And I'll use a case
[1:53:38] Speaker 3: we had some time ago, a case that was referred
[1:53:43] Speaker 3: to me out of Canada. Brian Vike told the lady, said,
[1:53:49] Speaker 3: you need to talk to Daryl Sims. He's the one
[1:53:51] Speaker 3: that knows all about evidence and this sort of thing.
[1:53:54] Speaker 3: So this lady contacted me out of Pennsylvania, and she's
[1:53:59] Speaker 3: a black lady I hear her over the phone. And
[1:54:02] Speaker 3: I said, well, let me ask you a couple of
[1:54:03] Speaker 3: questions before we get into this. I said, tell me
[1:54:06] Speaker 3: your nationality. She said, well, Mr. Sims, I'm black. I said, yes, ma'am.
[1:54:10] Speaker 3: I can hear that in your voice pattern. But what
[1:54:14] Speaker 3: I need to know from you, I said, most of
[1:54:16] Speaker 3: us are not pure anything. We're just not. And she said, oh, well,
[1:54:23] Speaker 3: I'm Cherokee Irish. I said, now that makes sense. I said,
[1:54:27] Speaker 3: 45% of the people taken are Cherokee. Cherokee or native,
[1:54:32] Speaker 3: best to say native American, Irish, Celtic or Scottish, 45%,
[1:54:41] Speaker 3: absolutely an astounding number. There's no actuarial for some of
[1:54:45] Speaker 3: this stuff. It doesn't even make sense. I said, so,
[1:54:50] Speaker 3: so I went up there and, uh, and to investigate
[1:54:53] Speaker 3: the case and I went there and there was a,
[1:54:55] Speaker 3: I had a TV team with me as well. And, uh,
[1:54:59] Speaker 3: I found fingerprints that didn't make any sense. I found
[1:55:04] Speaker 3: a handprint on the wall. Unfortunately, the grandmother had drawn
[1:55:09] Speaker 3: a picture around it, and I've still got it. In fact,
[1:55:13] Speaker 3: I cut the sheetrock out of the wall and took
[1:55:18] Speaker 3: the handprint with me on the sheetrock. The father was horrified.
[1:55:23] Speaker 3: He said, what are you doing to my wall? And
[1:55:25] Speaker 3: the woman looked at him and said, don't you interfere
[1:55:28] Speaker 3: with the sims. He's doing exactly what he needed to
[1:55:31] Speaker 3: be doing, and I told him to do it. And
[1:55:33] Speaker 3: so he backed off real quick. So I got that,
[1:55:38] Speaker 3: brought it back, and I tested for fluorescence. And so
[1:55:45] Speaker 3: we look at a situation like that, especially a fresh scene,
[1:55:51] Speaker 3: as if it's a crime scene. And that's the way
[1:55:52] Speaker 3: you really want to treat it. You want to keep
[1:55:55] Speaker 3: people off of everything you can. You have to treat
[1:56:02] Speaker 3: it totally different than that you don't just walk in
[1:56:04] Speaker 3: and start walking over stuff. In other words, if I
[1:56:09] Speaker 3: suspect the aliens actually visited this person, the first place
[1:56:13] Speaker 3: I'm going to check is the place he entered, which
[1:56:16] Speaker 3: is usually the closet, through a wall real near the
[1:56:21] Speaker 3: bed or the closet. That's why many abductees and contactees
[1:56:25] Speaker 3: have a phobia of closets. They have to have the
[1:56:28] Speaker 3: doors wide open. or have them absolutely closed, locked, shut,
[1:56:33] Speaker 3: because that's where the entity will often come in. They
[1:56:36] Speaker 3: have some idea about that. And the second thing is
[1:56:43] Speaker 3: I don't want anybody tampering with the floor next to
[1:56:45] Speaker 3: the bed, because that's often where you'll find fluorescence if
[1:56:48] Speaker 3: the entity's actually stood there. He's coming from the closet
[1:56:53] Speaker 3: right beside that bed. So these are things, uh, one
[1:56:58] Speaker 3: of the ways I would, I would approach as an example,
[1:57:01] Speaker 3: an area like that, especially if it's fresh. If I
[1:57:04] Speaker 3: know this event happened last night, I don't want anybody
[1:57:07] Speaker 3: in the room doing anything. And, uh, the best way
[1:57:10] Speaker 3: to approach, uh, when you hear the story from the abductees,
[1:57:14] Speaker 3: like they say, well, he came from the closet to
[1:57:16] Speaker 3: my bed and he did this, he did that. He
[1:57:19] Speaker 3: took me somewhere and then brought me back or whatever. Uh,
[1:57:24] Speaker 3: the first thing I want to do is to go
[1:57:26] Speaker 3: close as possible to the floor right next to the bed.
[1:57:31] Speaker 3: And I'm going to bring a black light, specialized black light.
[1:57:33] Speaker 3: I have a special black light because over $ 500 had
[1:57:37] Speaker 3: an engineer make it for me. And I can see
[1:57:41] Speaker 3: all kinds of nanometer lengths of fluorescence with this specialized light.
[1:57:47] Speaker 3: And I want to also check the floor next to
[1:57:50] Speaker 3: the bed for two things. One is fluorescence. Number two,
[1:57:56] Speaker 3: Because the entity has a specific distinct odor. And those
[1:58:02] Speaker 3: odors may be, they'll range from like the smell of
[1:58:05] Speaker 3: burnt matches or sulfur. Sulfur will show up a great deal.
[1:58:10] Speaker 3: The second odor that will be most prominent will be
[1:58:15] Speaker 3: the smell of rotten decayed leather or rotten decayed cardboard.
[1:58:23] Speaker 3: They're very strange, very strong smells.
[1:58:27] Speaker 4: Very, very interesting.
[1:58:29] Speaker 1: Now you said the entities... would come through the closet
[1:58:32] Speaker 1: or a wall. And I've, I've heard stories of people
[1:58:36] Speaker 1: saying they've been taken through their walls when they were taken. Um,
[1:58:40] Speaker 1: has that, is that something you've come across? And if so,
[1:58:43] Speaker 1: how do you think that's occurring?
[1:58:45] Speaker 3: Certainly we, we have these stories. I have 2000 cases
[1:58:48] Speaker 3: worldwide and, uh, and, and, and I've worked these cases, uh,
[1:58:53] Speaker 3: by the way, uh, uh, free of charge. We never
[1:58:56] Speaker 3: charge these people anything. Uh, All our work is philanthropic.
[1:59:00] Speaker 3: Even the surgeries we've done have been free where I
[1:59:03] Speaker 3: can do that unless they have insurance or something like that.
[1:59:07] Speaker 3: I beg Barry and do anything I can to get
[1:59:12] Speaker 3: people to help us on these things. And we're putting
[1:59:17] Speaker 3: some of that information up on our website now on alienhunter.org.
[1:59:21] Speaker 3: But the primary thing is that these people only about,
[1:59:27] Speaker 3: and I need to say this to your audience, about
[1:59:29] Speaker 3: 80% of these people are not taken anywhere. That, that
[1:59:34] Speaker 3: some people are going to get mad when they hear that. No,
[1:59:37] Speaker 3: I had to be untaken. No, you had, didn't have
[1:59:39] Speaker 3: to be taken anywhere. The fact is many of the,
[1:59:42] Speaker 3: the events, the entity comes into the room, uploads, downloads information,
[1:59:46] Speaker 3: and that's it. But in some cases, in 20% of
[1:59:50] Speaker 3: the cases, they do take you somewhere, but they don't
[1:59:53] Speaker 3: always have to. Sometimes they do for a reason. And, uh,
[1:59:58] Speaker 3: It's just that simple. And they'll take you through a wall.
[2:00:01] Speaker 3: They'll float you about usually in a prone position. Sometimes
[2:00:07] Speaker 3: you'll walk, but sometimes you'll be like on the bed
[2:00:10] Speaker 3: and they'll grab the edge of your foot. And then
[2:00:11] Speaker 3: another reason people have phobias of they have to keep
[2:00:14] Speaker 3: their feet covered up or they wear socks when they
[2:00:16] Speaker 3: go to bed. They don't want anybody touching their feet,
[2:00:18] Speaker 3: that sort of thing. And because that's where they grab you,
[2:00:21] Speaker 3: they'll just walk you right out literally. And you'll be
[2:00:24] Speaker 3: floating right out bed level. and sometimes they'll take you
[2:00:27] Speaker 3: out through the ceiling, right straight up. There are different
[2:00:30] Speaker 3: ways that this, it depends on the mechanism they're using
[2:00:34] Speaker 3: to transport you, so to speak.
[2:00:37] Speaker 4: Very interesting.
[2:00:39] Speaker 1: I wonder if they're somehow changing your vibratory rate so
[2:00:42] Speaker 1: that you can actually move through these solid objects.
[2:00:47] Speaker 3: In my opinion, there are all kinds of explanations and
[2:00:55] Speaker 3: one of the best is simply in my view is
[2:00:58] Speaker 3: that they're transferring, they're doing something to you, to your
[2:01:04] Speaker 3: molecular system so that it, it literally, uh, uh, loses
[2:01:09] Speaker 3: its gravity. And when that happens, you'll float, you can fly,
[2:01:15] Speaker 3: you can, you'd walk through walls, you can do all
[2:01:17] Speaker 3: kinds of stuff. And it's a process. Uh, I think
[2:01:21] Speaker 3: that it is, uh, it involves all kinds of things
[2:01:25] Speaker 3: and not, not only the mechanics. So it's not just
[2:01:28] Speaker 3: a so-called alien, um, skill, that sort of thing, or
[2:01:33] Speaker 3: technology may not even be technology. But, uh, the point
[2:01:38] Speaker 3: is that from our viewpoint, uh, it's simply an ability
[2:01:43] Speaker 3: to make you, uh, literally weightless and, uh, and you'll
[2:01:48] Speaker 3: literally float and it's, I've seen entities that were so small,
[2:01:52] Speaker 3: it was amazing, and they could float a 300-pound man
[2:01:55] Speaker 3: out without a problem.
[2:01:57] Speaker 4: Wow, very interesting. Now, we've got a few minutes left.
[2:02:02] Speaker 1: You do hypnotherapy, and this is to try and find
[2:02:06] Speaker 1: out what this person actually experienced.
[2:02:10] Speaker 4: For the last few.
[2:02:10] Speaker 1: Minutes that we have, could you talk about maybe one
[2:02:13] Speaker 1: of the most fascinating sessions that.
[2:02:16] Speaker 4: You've experienced during your hypnotherapy session?
[2:02:20] Speaker 3: Sure. Uh, one of the, uh, uh, CNN came to
[2:02:24] Speaker 3: my home for three days and wanted to do a
[2:02:27] Speaker 3: special on me. And, uh, I, uh, brought a, uh,
[2:02:31] Speaker 3: two people with me. They're very, uh, they're, uh, excellent
[2:02:34] Speaker 3: citizens in the city of Houston and are both abductees.
[2:02:38] Speaker 3: They're professionals, by the way, one of them's a therapist. And, uh,
[2:02:42] Speaker 3: I had worked with him in hypnotherapy and, uh, CNN, uh,
[2:02:48] Speaker 3: they claimed that they were going to do a totally
[2:02:50] Speaker 3: unbiased program. Well, I called them fake news. This was
[2:02:54] Speaker 3: back in 19, uh, late in the 1990s. I call
[2:02:57] Speaker 3: them fake news. And when I heard Trump called them
[2:03:00] Speaker 3: the same thing, I laughed my head off. That's the
[2:03:03] Speaker 3: gospel truth. Cause they flat lied about everything. Right. They,
[2:03:08] Speaker 3: they just did. And anyway, long story short. So I
[2:03:11] Speaker 3: told him I'd never give him another interview. And I
[2:03:13] Speaker 3: haven't since the, uh, They said, well, we think that
[2:03:18] Speaker 3: probably what you did was you hypnotized him and you
[2:03:23] Speaker 3: made him believe all this stuff. I said, really? You
[2:03:27] Speaker 3: were leading him on. I said, all questions are leading, sir.
[2:03:31] Speaker 3: I said, do you have any special skills in hypnotherapy? No.
[2:03:33] Speaker 3: Do you have any special skills in therapy? No. I said,
[2:03:36] Speaker 3: I trained therapists, PhDs in psychology and psychiatry and so
[2:03:41] Speaker 3: on in some of the areas that I function in.
[2:03:44] Speaker 3: I said, for you to question me, You have absolutely
[2:03:48] Speaker 3: no medical skills, no hypnotherapy skills, no skills whatsoever on
[2:03:52] Speaker 3: how cognitive information is acquired, stored, kept, and retained. And
[2:03:58] Speaker 3: I said, and you sit there and question me. I said,
[2:04:01] Speaker 3: let me carry you backwards. I said, I knew you
[2:04:03] Speaker 3: were going to do this, so I waited for you.
[2:04:07] Speaker 3: First of all, this young man's stories, he got picked
[2:04:10] Speaker 3: up when he was a child and would be with
[2:04:12] Speaker 3: another little boy, and they would be found in different
[2:04:15] Speaker 3: parts of Houston. And how do you suppose they got there?
[2:04:18] Speaker 3: By taxi? Right. All they described was an alien that
[2:04:22] Speaker 3: took them. And the police never, I said, there were
[2:04:25] Speaker 3: police reports. These kids ended up clean. Houston's a huge city.
[2:04:31] Speaker 3: And I said, and so for you to question me,
[2:04:34] Speaker 3: I said, second of all, I said, what you don't
[2:04:36] Speaker 3: understand is these stores are verifiable. You can check them.
[2:04:40] Speaker 3: That's what I mean. I said, when I worked with
[2:04:42] Speaker 3: a person in hypnotherapy, which is not my primary modality
[2:04:47] Speaker 3: for getting information. I said, and it's the last thing
[2:04:50] Speaker 3: that we do, not the first, the very last thing.
[2:04:54] Speaker 3: I said, I asked them things about the weather, what
[2:04:57] Speaker 3: time of day it is, everything. I said, what happened
[2:05:02] Speaker 3: on May 13th? What was the weather like on May
[2:05:07] Speaker 3: 13th in 1976? He said, well, I have no clue.
[2:05:13] Speaker 3: And I said, isn't it interesting that he does? And
[2:05:15] Speaker 3: I said, and I can go back and check those
[2:05:16] Speaker 3: weather reports. I said, if that information is correct, it's
[2:05:20] Speaker 3: a good indicator that I've got them in memory and
[2:05:23] Speaker 3: that they are actually giving me good quality information. Something
[2:05:26] Speaker 3: that you have not been able to do and that
[2:05:29] Speaker 3: you have lied from the minute you got here. And
[2:05:33] Speaker 3: these people have not. I said, I brought a psych
[2:05:35] Speaker 3: report on these people. I said, you should have brought
[2:05:38] Speaker 3: one on yourself because I'm not convinced it's your thing.
[2:05:45] Speaker 4: Very good.
[2:05:46] Speaker 1: Now, as far as your hypnotherapy goes, is there any other,
[2:05:54] Speaker 1: you know, cases where you could describe maybe what the,
[2:05:59] Speaker 1: you know, what the person's experience was like for the
[2:06:02] Speaker 1: time being that they were being abducted?
[2:06:07] Speaker 3: Yes. There, there, there's several different things about it. Anybody can,
[2:06:12] Speaker 3: Anybody can hypnotize anybody. You can learn how to hypnotize people.
[2:06:16] Speaker 3: That does not make you a hypnotherapist. It makes you
[2:06:20] Speaker 3: a hypnotist. And there's a world of difference. I treat
[2:06:23] Speaker 3: cases like they are archaeological finds. If you found this
[2:06:28] Speaker 3: bone sticking up in your backyard and we looked at
[2:06:30] Speaker 3: it and we realized this was a Tyrannosaurus rex, you
[2:06:35] Speaker 3: don't go get your best friend who's got a front-end
[2:06:39] Speaker 3: loader and tear up an unbelievably good archeological site. You
[2:06:46] Speaker 3: don't do that. You call a specialist in, people that
[2:06:52] Speaker 3: know how to handle these kinds of cases. The same
[2:06:55] Speaker 3: thing with myself. I would not go out and grab
[2:06:57] Speaker 3: a hypnotist and say, oh, you must be a hypnotist,
[2:07:00] Speaker 3: so I need to be hypnotized, so therefore anything you
[2:07:02] Speaker 3: get out of me is gonna be truth and it's
[2:07:05] Speaker 3: not gonna be recall, it's gonna be pure memory, right? Well,
[2:07:08] Speaker 3: of course it is. They don't have a clue. How
[2:07:12] Speaker 3: do they know what the difference between memory and recall is?
[2:07:15] Speaker 3: How do they know the difference between what the screen
[2:07:17] Speaker 3: memory is that the alien put on you or an
[2:07:20] Speaker 3: intelligent community or anyone else? How are they going to
[2:07:23] Speaker 3: know that? You're only going to know that through number one,
[2:07:27] Speaker 3: by your skills. And second is if you've actually been
[2:07:30] Speaker 3: an abductee, you've been inside that alien's head. If you've
[2:07:34] Speaker 3: been a victim your whole life, you never, they ran
[2:07:38] Speaker 3: your show. When I was four years old, I decided
[2:07:42] Speaker 3: he wasn't going to run my show and I wouldn't
[2:07:44] Speaker 3: let him let me remember him as a clown. My
[2:07:47] Speaker 3: point is simply this. I've been inside their head. I
[2:07:51] Speaker 3: know how they think. I know what they do. I
[2:07:53] Speaker 3: know how they do it. So I use that to
[2:07:58] Speaker 3: a huge advantage. I know how they install screen memories.
[2:08:01] Speaker 3: I know why they put blocks inside people where hypnotists
[2:08:04] Speaker 3: can't get to them. You can get to the regular stuff.
[2:08:08] Speaker 3: They don't care about that. Doesn't mean anything. Remember what
[2:08:10] Speaker 3: I told you about the first level of truth? It's false.
[2:08:15] Speaker 3: They don't care about it. Doesn't mean anything. What they're
[2:08:18] Speaker 3: concerned with is that you might actually find out what
[2:08:20] Speaker 3: the program is. Now you've created a problem, and you're
[2:08:25] Speaker 3: going to create some problems for yourself. Right. Right.
[2:08:30] Speaker 4: Now, one last question. What do you think about Trump's
[2:08:33] Speaker 4: Space Force?
[2:08:36] Speaker 3: I think that he's on to something huge, and I
[2:08:41] Speaker 3: think he's one of the few presidents that has got
[2:08:45] Speaker 3: his head screwed on. And the reason I say that
[2:08:47] Speaker 3: is most presidents don't know anything about the UFO phenomenon.
[2:08:52] Speaker 3: Just because you're the president doesn't mean you get to
[2:08:54] Speaker 3: know everything. You're only in there for four years or
[2:08:58] Speaker 3: eight years if you're lucky. Most of them know little.
[2:09:03] Speaker 3: Kennedy knew a fair amount, not much, but a fair amount.
[2:09:08] Speaker 3: Eisenhower knew a lot. And he regretted that he was
[2:09:13] Speaker 3: not able to get a handle on that thing. Kennedy
[2:09:17] Speaker 3: knew enough about it, it got him in a lot
[2:09:19] Speaker 3: of trouble. A lot of trouble. Trump has decided to
[2:09:25] Speaker 3: make a space force. There's a reason for that. Number one,
[2:09:29] Speaker 3: I've told your audience that you better beware of these guys,
[2:09:32] Speaker 3: these so-called aliens, and some of them are not here
[2:09:36] Speaker 3: for your best intent and there may be other purposes.
[2:09:39] Speaker 3: So one of the reasons we don't go back to
[2:09:41] Speaker 3: the moon anymore, and I've asked numerous astronauts this, why
[2:09:45] Speaker 3: is it that you left the moon? You filmed it,
[2:09:47] Speaker 3: you left and never went back. And the scuttlebutt, the
[2:09:51] Speaker 3: so-called myth among them is this, that they told us
[2:09:57] Speaker 3: not to come back. Well, who's in charge of the moon?
[2:10:01] Speaker 3: It isn't you. So who's telling us what to do
[2:10:05] Speaker 3: and why are they doing that? What's the purpose? I mean,
[2:10:09] Speaker 3: there are all kinds of, I could spend a whole
[2:10:12] Speaker 3: hour just on my time with the JPL They invited
[2:10:16] Speaker 3: me to a meeting for the Cassini project. That's where
[2:10:20] Speaker 3: we went to Saturn to find out what was in Saturn.
[2:10:24] Speaker 3: And I asked them at that. I was only a
[2:10:25] Speaker 3: ufologist invited to the Cassini project at JPL in Pasadena, California.
[2:10:32] Speaker 3: And I asked them the big question. Why did you
[2:10:34] Speaker 3: leave Mars to go to Saturn? Why would you send
[2:10:38] Speaker 3: the first nuclear package spacecraft to Saturn? What did you
[2:10:42] Speaker 3: find on Saturn that interested you? that you would leave
[2:10:47] Speaker 3: and do that first. They closed that entire meeting down
[2:10:50] Speaker 3: and said, thank you, ladies and gentlemen, there are free
[2:10:52] Speaker 3: drinks in the back and gifts for everyone. And they,
[2:10:56] Speaker 3: I was never, they never addressed the question, never addressed it.
[2:11:01] Speaker 3: We need a space force.
[2:11:03] Speaker 1: So you don't think that there's already been a secret
[2:11:07] Speaker 1: space force in place?
[2:11:10] Speaker 3: There are all kinds of theories about that, and there
[2:11:13] Speaker 3: may have been. I don't know because I wasn't there,
[2:11:15] Speaker 3: so I don't address things that I can't prove or know.
[2:11:19] Speaker 3: Do I suspect that we have things out there better
[2:11:22] Speaker 3: than the things we're flying around in? Yes, I do.
[2:11:25] Speaker 3: Are all the UFOs we're seeing flying around there the alien? No,
[2:11:29] Speaker 3: they are not. They're ours. So am I fooled by that? No,
[2:11:39] Speaker 3: I'm not. Remember the first level of truth for the alien.
[2:11:42] Speaker 3: It's Patton Lee and Drew. Those are alien spaceships. No,
[2:11:46] Speaker 3: they're all not. No, they're not. The wonderful thing I
[2:11:51] Speaker 3: told my native friends, and I'll tell this last thing
[2:11:54] Speaker 3: for your audience. I said, it's fascinating to look at
[2:11:57] Speaker 3: these pictographs on the walls and see the alien literally
[2:12:02] Speaker 3: has a ram, a sheep, taking sheep off the earth
[2:12:07] Speaker 3: up into the spacecraft. the first case of mutilations and
[2:12:11] Speaker 3: stolen animals abducted as well. I said, they weren't here
[2:12:16] Speaker 3: to save your sheep and they're not here to save
[2:12:19] Speaker 3: your cattle. They're not here to save or help you either.
[2:12:24] Speaker 3: There's three levels of truth with these guys. And the
[2:12:26] Speaker 3: first one's patently untrue. The second level is you're being
[2:12:29] Speaker 3: spoon fed or misled. And third one is you're close
[2:12:33] Speaker 3: to the fire. And I think the fact that they
[2:12:35] Speaker 3: have a space force, I think Trump, may be opening
[2:12:40] Speaker 3: up for the first time in 50 years, at least
[2:12:44] Speaker 3: 50 years, something, at least a, just a glimmer of
[2:12:50] Speaker 3: hope that we might be able to find out something
[2:12:52] Speaker 3: what's really going on. And I assure you, if he
[2:12:56] Speaker 3: talks too much or finds out too much, they'll shut
[2:12:59] Speaker 3: him down just like they have others. Right. Yeah.
[2:13:03] Speaker 1: And that, that's a whole other show to talk about there. But, Daryl,
[2:13:07] Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for joining us tonight.
[2:13:10] Speaker 1: That was fantastic information, and I'm going to have to
[2:13:14] Speaker 1: definitely have you back.
[2:13:15] Speaker 4: On one day.
[2:13:16] Speaker 3: I'd love to be back, Chris. You've got a great program. Great.
[2:13:20] Speaker 4: Thank you so much, and you have a great night.
[2:13:22] Speaker 3: Have a good one.
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